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Hope you all are wonderful and a fine and a blessed day Want to go ahead and jump into it because This is to kind of go over the homework assignment that we had the homework assignment was simply and there's a reason why Someone's gonna ask why do we it seems like we're on a particular topic and really not this is it has everything to do with how we read our Bible and so If you are coming up I'm gonna say this up front if you're coming up with a different conclusion You're doing something wrong now me personally if I hear someone who If I cannot trust their hermeneutics now, that's what I agree with everything they say that's that's different But if I can't trust your hermeneutics at some point in time, I'm gonna just walk away I don't have a problem with the person having something said and they get it wrong I don't have a problem with that at all or I disagree with I shouldn't get it wrong because that'd be a little bit Erick and think that they're wrong. I'm right all the time But if I disagree we all because we all think that everyone that we disagree with the other person's wrong Clearly, I'm not wrong. Clearly. You're not wrong. They're wrong, right? So even if I disagree with them, I don't have a problem that but if I'm looking at your hermeneutics and I see a Severe lack of inconsistency We can be friends and we can talk but in terms of listening to me or me listening to you give a lesson Or go through a study. It's gonna be hard because I know there's inconsistency and ultimately What determines your framework isn't the words on the paper on that paper on the book It's the words somewhere else maybe in your in your confession or in your doctrinal statement or somewhere else And so I've got to you've got to show that you are reading consistent leap It's the same thing with they have this month. My wife is a teacher and You know how we would say there's this new math out there and ladies and gentlemen, there really is a new math It's not made up they have a new way of teaching kids multiplication now and They are required to teach them this new way So matter of fact, they're almost required to teach them all these different ways and The problem is and she'll tell you is that it confuses the kids There's there's no consistency the way that we used to learn You know do our timetables go through all the ones one times one one times two one times three one times four Do the same thing with two two times one two times two two times three and so forth all the way We use it at 12 and then after 12 times 12 if you give us 12 times 13. We were dead We have we have no we don't know what to do where to go because all we know is 12 times 12 144 I have no idea what 12 times 13 is That's where the calculator comes in right well They have this new math and this new math is just kind of confusing. It's just it's Inconsistent and by the way, no one will ever no one will ever multiply the thing this way, but someone somewhere Figured something out and thought that we should go with it and so It's frustrating because kids are not learning and they don't know how to grasp this I guess if they go somewhere else, maybe she teaches at a public school That we don't teach we don't send our kids to public school. We don't send our kids to public school For that separate reason so So in my in my hermeneutic is Jesus the true Israel, here's what I want you to do give me your passages Anyone now and by the way, it's okay to disagree. It's okay to disagree We're gonna find out if I'm consistent or not And we're gonna find out if you're consistent or not We're gonna find out how we how we go through these things and so let's see let's find out so so if there's a You see something wrong or you say hey wait a minute Cory wait a minute Cory. Let's figure this out I think I think you're missing something. No problem. No problem. So we're gonna go through that now in the poll I asked a question how many times in the Bible does Israel or the term Israel or June Referred to some something other than ethnic is it is referred to the Gentiles of the church really how many times We refer to the Gentiles or the church Okay, and that's the question and that and your answer your answers are going to be telling so the question was or The assignment was simply just to go through All of Romans Romans not all of Romans Romans 9 10 and 11 and then as you go through it notice every place Where you see the word Israel from Romans 9 10 and 11 as a matter of fact the term Israel Doesn't show up anywhere in Romans until you get a chapter 9. So in chapter 9 we put on the screen chapter 9 Give me a second, I'll come back to that passage right Romans 9 Notice what it says I'm sorry not notice what it says but here all the times that the word Israel shows up And this has nothing really to do with Israel again It has everything to do with your interpretation of there are some and will use certain passages from time to time That kind of just highlight not necessarily what the right or the wrong answer is But the work to get to the answer because guys, let me just say this This is what's ultimately important not if you got the right or the wrong answer. That's not really the ultimate thing It's how you got there Okay, you don't want to get the right answer basically by luck Because you heard someone tell you that you want that because you just happen to have the right teacher Who said something and you and you went that way, you know why you believe what you believe of in fact that they believe that I don't know. It's just because that's what I think and so because they think my church believes that think about We got a lot of folks that are paying tithes Because someone in the pulpit said pay your tithes and offering we got folks that believe that you ought to Steel worship on the Sabbath because someone told them that not actually seeing it in the scripture So even now if someone is telling you because we've got folks that will think that That the church is the new israel the church has replaced israel. No, that's not that's not the case I even heard a hey something passing. There was a person who said I think the one guy was a christian and the other guy was a skeptic who he called himself a scholar He asked a question. Maybe you all have seen this before he said what How are we saved? Are we are we born again? Are we born from above and the person that was saying we are born from above Apparently he's a scholar, but a skeptic and the person's a christian was disagreeing with him and I want to say no The the skeptic his points are clear But I wanted him to I wanted him to go back And make his points and he's just the way he's reading the text Brother love you see you in heaven, but he's reading the text Completely wrong and the skeptic was reading it the right way That shouldn't be it shouldn't be that the person who loves the lord who knows the lord Doesn't know how to read it or the person doesn't know the lord reads the scriptures better Now i'm pretty sure he's gonna have some inconsistency somewhere else with it But that should never be the case and so in this all we're doing is just trying to see Are we going to make something say something that a dead and say? That's really the whole point of this exercise and we'll do other exercises as well as a matter of fact So but in this case, I wanted to go through this particular These texts just to see because it's going to be important as we go further now Chapter nine We see the term how many times did you all how many y'all did the actual assignment? and how many times Does the the term or the name israel show up in romans 9 10 11 How many y'all actually went through that? I wasn't pretty it wasn't a really difficult Assignment you had to notice how many times israel was mentioned And then determine does it refer to ethnic israel or is it kind of all inclusive? Does it also include the church as well? Well, as you look at the text as you look at it. Let's look at it. Let's do it together Here's one occasion one one verse Now that's two times in this one verse Romans 9 27 twice israel was repeated there 931 that's a third verse four five six seven eight nine So nine times or nine verses Nine verses does the term the name israel show up Now the question Does anyone think That israel ever in chapters 9 10 11 ever refer to something or someone other than Ethnic israel can you ever take any of those passages? And read into it and see or or get from it not a read into I shouldn't say that way Could you ever Exegiate from any of those passages that in romans 9 10 11 that the term the name israel ever means anything But the nation of israel Now I don't think you can now I'd be interested to hear if someone says well, no roman chapter 9 such and such says yes That that that refers to the church I don't see so You send verses 9 verse 6 and chapter 9. Let's go to romans 9 6 and let's see But it's not as though the world has failed for they are not all israel who descended from israel Okay, so let's go to this passage romans 9. Let's go to roman 9 Put the main thing on there. So romans 9 let's start in verse 1 And look what it says. I am telling you the truth. I am not lying My conscience testifies With me in the holy spirit that I have a great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart Notice what he says Uh, okay, you thought that was that was spiritual. Let's see. Let's read this in context and tell me That I have a great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart This is paul speaking for I could wish that I myself were cursed Separated from christ or the sake of my brethren. Notice what it says my kinsmen According to the flesh who are israelites. So here at least in the first three verses the first four verses he's speaking of physical In the flesh israel who are israelites to whom now speaking of israel to whom belongs the adoption as sons And the glory and the covenants by the way, very important. We'll we'll bring this point up later We'll bring this point up later, but this issue of the covenants When we talk about covenants There we can't find has there ever been a covenant after Well, let's say other than the way again. Abrahamic covenant that was mentioned to A gentile so someone could say well the no way covenant because no it technically was not a jew Well, but and that's true, but then also the Abrahamic covenant since Abraham technically was not a jew, but He begins the family. So we'll go ahead and say that that he Would be in the line of the jews because that's where they come from the circumcision starts with him But other than the way covenant all of the covenants as he says belong to them Okay, the covenants were made with and then that does not mean that does not mean ladies and gentlemen That we are not affected By any of the covenants that we don't that we don't benefit from any of the covenants The Davidic covenant is clearly an israel is an is a jewish covenant But we all certainly benefit from that Without without question because the Davidic covenant is this covenant states that he will be on the throne forever Yet that benefits all of us. Amen Even though it was a covenant made one to davis specifically, but then also for the house of israel and juda. Amen So continuing verse four And the glory and the covenants and the giving of the law the temple services clearly jewish And the promises who are the fathers those are jewish fathers And from whom is the christ those are jews according to the flesh who is overall god bless forever. Amen Then in verse six, but it is not as though the word of god has failed For they are not all israel who are descended from israel. So the question is who is the they Are someone asked are the uh, are the samaritans still considered to be jews or would they be considered gentiles? You'd have to ask that they would be kind of in the they're obviously the quiescent You've got them who have they've intermingled with Others who are non-jews. And so that there's there's the rift, but you've got a lot of jews who've done the same thing too Most samaritans in that day And we don't talk about samaritans today. I mean, where are the samaritans today? But most samaritans in that day they only went so far in terms of even the book That's why when jesus happened to conversation with the woman at the well He's talking about how they worship on two different mountains and so forth And so I don't want to get in that but they would not consider be considered jew They would not be considered to be true jews. Amen. So let's go back to it. He says but now They Are not all israel. The question is who is the they that's been referred to here? Well, the they couldn't refer to anyone but israel because that's all paul's talking about he he has a problem He has a grief in his heart about them about israel People of his of his flesh They and so the they that he's speaking of someone just sent their homework in The they who he's speaking of Is israel not a spiritual israel But a physical israel if we keep reading we'll see that this is clearly a physical israel Nor are they children because they are abraham's extended but through isaac Your decision will be so he's speaking of people that come From this lineage and what paul is trying to get across. It's the same thing that god has been trying to get across that Just because you are physically jewish Physically israel that mean you're the israel that i'm thinking of you're not the israel that i want you to be You're not true israel. You're not the true jews. The true jews are jewish But also jewish on the outside, but also jewish on the inside circumcised on the outside But also circumcised on the inside That's this point as a matter of fact. That's with roman too roman chapter two And chapter three is speaking of so just because you are You have a lineage from abraham isaac jake and any of the 12 tribes Doesn't make you an actual jew You are a jew not because you're one outwardly But one inwardly that doesn't mean that anybody else who's not a jew Who whose hearts also has been circumcised that makes him a jew. No, you don't in other words I don't become a jew just because my heart has been circumcised A circumcised heart is not the prerequisite for being a jew A circumcised heart is a prerequisite for being a christian and a circumcised heart is a prerequisite for being a true jew Not just merely on the outside. And so that's the argument that paul is making he's trying to bring up and so he says But through isaac your descendants will be named that by the way you all see the video The guy who says that I won't even say his name who says who says that abraham is not isaac's father Like wow just just read just read a few verses and you'll have your answer But anyway continuing he says that is it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of god But the children of the promise are regarded as descendants For this is the word of promise at this time I will come and sarah shall have a son and not only this But there was rebecca also when she had conceived twins by one man our father isaac For though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad So that the purpose of according to his choice or election would stand not because of works But because of him who calls it was said to her the older will serve the younger And as is written jacob i love but isaac hate what shall we say then There is no injustice with god is there may never be for he says to moses I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion Now let's drop down And I want to read something that is vitally important and by the way There's a reason why there needs to be a clear delineation between Israel and the church There's a clear I've covered this before do you all have any idea why I say this is important someone says well This is not this is not a a um This is not a salvation issue So I said this is not really a salvation issue this issue between the church and the state I said well for us it's not it's not it's not it's not a real big issue for us gentiles But for the jews it is Do y'all recall us having this conversation? I don't I don't want to go back and rehash all of this but Why is this a big issue? Well, if you read 9 to 11 now, this is where my my my Calvinist friends get bothered with me, but I'm sorry but oftentimes Folks will run to Romans 9 to 11 As though this is this is approval Calvinist doctrine now There are some some some pointers some nugs they can take out of there But this is about Israel Why? Notice what all of the quotations are coming from all of the quotations that paul's giving is from is from isiah He's speaking and if you go read isiah you'll find out real quickly isiah is not talking about any gentile nation He's not talking about gentile spirit. He's talking about I got you play a passage right? He's talking about israel And then he's talking about what israel at some point in time is going to do as a nation now There are going to be some jews Obviously that are going to place their faith in christ. Remember the very first believers on the planet The very first people receive the holy spirit were jews But something happened They it starts slowing down and then it's now Not all gentile, but it's dominated by the gentiles and paul is bothered not because gentiles being saved He's bothered the fact that jews are not being saved But again, all of this is in keeping with what god said he's going to do y'all remember god, don't y'all? Yeah, how many y'all uh still remember god y'all y'all remember him And his words i understand Throughout the course of the day throughout the week We can get busy and forget about god and his word tell the truth shaman devil We all do and anyone says i never forget about god. I never put god in the back I'd never taken for granted Go repent for lying because you do we all we all do We all do so When we look at what he has stated Remember what god is trying to give get across now I want we're going to come to another passage where he speaks of jews and gentiles And I want you to think about this Verse 22 of chapter 9 he says what if god although willing to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known Endured with much patience Vessels of wrath prepare for destruction And he did so to make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy which he prepared beforehand Now is that speaking of some sort of election? It does, but we won't go there Even us look what he says verse 24 even us whom he called not from among jews only But also from among the gentiles so he's clearly making a distinction between jews and gentiles As he also says in hosea I will call those who were not my people my people Who is he speaking of in hosea jews or gentiles this passage right here In verse 25 as i'm and i'm looking at the chats right now Who is hosea? Speaking of when he says I will call those who are not my people my people who are the my people that's being spoken of here Exactly gentiles us us this is us gentiles A gentile sheep And her who was not beloved beloved that still is gentiles and it shall be in the place where it was said to them You are not my people there. They shall be called sons of the living god. That's us gentiles I think that what happens is people hear the fact that we talk about israel as though I heard a person talk about uh people with a dispensational hermeneutic as though that the church is planned to be No, it's not who thinks that Anyone that thinks the church is is plan b or teaches that as a person didn't read the bible who doesn't understand Remember we said there's a reason why I would rather you to read and to memorize the story Rather than memorize the scriptures Because it does no good to memorize the scripture and it's all out of context, but I know what happened here What happened here what happened here and what's and what's half what's going to happen And as we go that's why we're taking our time through this bible study We can see god's promises and what he said he's going to do so if god said for example I'm going to circumcise your heart in the future Shouldn't we expect god at some point in time to circumcise their heart? And then he goes one better. He even tells us not necessarily the exact date, but kind of the sequence When he's going to circumcise hearts After they're brought into the land Well, when do their hearts to circumcise they're brought back into the land after their exile Now there's something else going to happen to them as well these 70 weeks and so forth I won't go in there, but when god says he's going to do something Here comes us dummies us me and you all of us Where you want to kind of figure things out we want to help god out What god I think what god meant what god is trying to do no God is a god who can save all the jews if he wants to now. He's not going to save all the jews And save the gentiles as well And he can Well, but cori aren't you it seems though you're saying that there's two different tracks for salvation No, I'm not saying there's two different tracks for salvation. I'm not saying that at all What I'm saying is there are there are multiple tracks for salvation Ultimately one go one way in Cori that sounds almost blasphemous it might here's what it means There's only one way to get in faith in christ Only one way faith in christ, but Of all the people that are in the chats and all the folks that gonna come later and all the folks that gonna hear later Not one of you had the exact same road to placing your faith in christ as a next person My road to salvation is not the same as let's say kelly's It's not the same as catrinus. It's not the same as arsenals not the same as monkey moves It's not the same at all We went through different paths to get to where we are All to the at the foot of the cross all of us, right? The issue is though We just got a we went we had a front row ticket To see israel as a nation their path It was never that god had the other the rest of the world You know in the as I afterthought It's never that god forgot about the world as a matter of fact It was always that anybody who even was not israel that a gentile if they wanted to have faith in god and follow They could think about rahab think about ruth And their names are actually listed in Jesus lineage so therefore you don't have to be jewish To be saved as paul's point And so all this time he's made it he he's he's made it open and available for everyone What he's doing with israel is showing something that you people on your own you can't you can't be trusted You can't do anything even when you set your mind and do it you won't do it And so he's saying here these gentiles You're not an afterthought i'm using you just like i'm using the jews And so there is a good reason and so what is he doing? God uses the jews to bring us in And then turns around and uses us and will keep using us to bring the jews in How do I know because dude around me 32 starting in verse 16 all the way through 21 says that because you have Went after other guys and made me jealous What is god going to do i'm going to make you jealous With the people who are not a people so god has determined that this is way back in deuteronomy before they had even went after other gods He says i'm going to make you jealous by these jews i mean by these gentiles Well that passage comes up again in romans Where we are reminded of that again So here we are in verse 20 60 says they shall be called sons of the living god. Well, who is that? Who's the date the gentiles? Verse 27 isaac cries out concerning israel. So who are we speaking of here? verse 27 concerning israel Though the number of the sons of israel Be like the sand of the sea it is a remnant that will be saved Stop for a second hold up wait a minute Now let's put some thinking in it Maybe we already did some thinking and so let's go back and retroactively put some thunkin in we did some thunkin on this before So let's thunk think about what we thunked about before. Are you with me? Good He says That though the number of the sons of israel be like the sand of the sea Let's let's follow that though the number of the sons of israel Be like the sand of sea it is a remnant that will be saved. What did he just say? Everybody who is in israel won't be saved Who will be saved out of israel according to this passage? Ladies and gentlemen help me out according to this passage I'll leave it on the screen. I'm looking at your at your comments Who out of israel in verse 27? Does paul say will be saved? Which of the israelites or which of israel will be saved? The remnant a man the remnant god made it so easy Made it so easy that even a caveman can do it or us He made it so easy that we can simply just look at the words and like wow. He's talking about a remnant of israel now For my reform brothers and sisters For my confessional brothers and sisters that means you are some sort of calvinist you are Um, I don't care what sort of calvinist you are. I don't care what your persuasion is This should this should get you all perked up and happy This this should get you perked up and happy now. It's not about you But it should get you all perked up and happy why because election doesn't only refer to just the gentiles There's a remnant of these jews that are going to be saved The question is though ladies and gentlemen, does anyone know how this remnant will be saved? Let me put you on the screen. Does anyone know how This remnant is going to be very important. That's why I say this is a salvation issue Not for us But for them for us. It's a exegesis issue for us. It's a how to read the bible issue for us It's an issue where we need to learn how to read the the word And stop trying to figure out based on what someone else has told us What does the word say? So how are these jews going to be saved? You think i'm sorry new york patriot lady. I'm sorry. You didn't get a you know what? I don't know what to say. Um, I apologize though. It's not my fault. You didn't get an alert it is youtube's fault But how are these jews going to be saved? Valet valet core is is is close Valet core and sheila they are close They are close simple christians. You're close too. I mix you up with them and and you all together you're close You're close You're close How is uh christa you're close You're close How are these jews? Going to be saved We can all agree that the jews especially right now and even then are in a position where they're just heart Their hearts out jesus who? How Anthony knickers and you're getting close. You're getting close seafus. You you're close Doggone katriona. You you are like right there katriona's like right there Matter of fact, no, i'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry katriona is katriona is there She's just beating you around the bush hearing Katriona says the report because katriona knows that roman's 1017 is not the verb hearing. It's the noun hearing the report So now help us get there. How are they going? So what what about this report? What about this hearing? How are the jews going to get it? I'm gonna drink my coffee to you guys get this. We'll we'll we got all day Go on it ladies and gentlemen. Let me ask you a question I mean I take back every nice thing that's umkin Umkin, let me ask you a question Jonathan, let me ask you a question. Kelly. Let me ask you a question. Catherine. Let me ask you a question How did you guys come to faith? How did how did you a renae for the win? A preacher someone told you Somebody told you you didn't wake up one day. You know what? I think there is a jesus who died on the ground Someone somewhere somebody told you So when we get to roman's 10, what is paul's point there? Jesus is of no effect. No good Listen his death on the cross is absolutely worthless if you don't know about it You what are you going to do about something you don't know anything about? You know the old saying what you don't know won't hurt you. Yeah, it will in this case. It will what you don't know will hurt you And so when we get to roman's 10 We find out that somebody has got to preach to these people I know you guys thought that it was about you guys because that's what we do as gentiles That's what we do as gentiles. We especially us western gentiles. Let's just tell the truth. Shame of devil all of us westernized AC um iphone having Some of you folks I don't I don't know fine fine fine android having um laptop Multiple streaming service christians here in america and in canada and wherever else We make everything out to be about us Everything has to do with everything has to do with us. Everything is about us If we don't get what we want when we want it boohoo. Wow, someone's got to pay by the way Let me just say this this has nothing to do with what we're talking about Nothing to do what we're talking about, but I saw this and I'm gonna share it with you I saw a video. I guess it's a couple weeks old. Maybe we could too old. There's an african guy Here in america who was working at walmart and some woman comes up to him He's over in the I don't y'all seen this over in the automotive section Asking him for the dumbest thing I've ever heard for beef bacon. I've never heard of beef bacon Ever in my life never heard of she says uh, do you all have beef bacon and he's like I'm over in the automotive section. I'm putting up oil. This is and it's synthetic. It's really funny And she's she's like but She walks her tail all this. This is how entitled we are Walks all the way over from the food, you know, so warm work the the food is not by the automotive section So she walks over there and asks him about this bacon beef bacon Now first of all beef bacon sounds horrible Now I can I can It's taking me a while to be able to deal with turkey bacon or as we say in the prison faken bacon. I can deal with that But I don't know why you would I don't know why why any good good god fear and christian whatever um Go to some some sort of imitation bacon. You wouldn't go to you wouldn't go to yeah, you know what maybe you would maybe you guys would but the point is She's so entitled she goes to find this person who's not even in her section to ask her So leave what you're doing come over and help me. That's how we treat christian. That's how we treat our bike our bible We we we make it all about us We make it all about us. By the way, y'all go find look for that video look for the Walmart employee that was fired it went viral and you'll find it beef bacon is good No, it's not she look I have I have even had it and I rebuke you in the name of jesus Whatever this does. I don't know what that does Beef bacon. Come on Pig pigs are going out of out of work. Anyway, so We we we assume and by the way, it's okay to apply roman's tin to us But who's he talking to so let's get there Just as isaia foretold verse 29 unless the lord of cyprus had left to us A posterity we would become like saddam and would have resembled gamora. Where is saddam and gamora? But I don't know you don't know either. It's gone It's gone. What shall we so he that he says israel will not be left like that? Israel will be left a posterity. That's why he says in jeremiah 31 That um Israel as a nation will never cease to be a nation before the lord Okay, what then shall we say that gentiles that gentiles now here's a question If jews or israel can be the spiritual church or the spiritual jews Do we are the gentiles ever spiritual israel? No No, what shall we say then that gentiles who did not pursue righteousness attained it even the righteousness which is by faith but israel clearly a distinction Clearly a distinction pursuing a law of righteousness did not arrive at that law Why because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works They stumbled over the stumbling stone, which is Jesus to them is a stumbling stone. He's an easter. He's a rock of offense to them Foolishness to the gentiles though So ten one Brethren my heart's desire and my prayer to god is for them I'm for them is for there. Who's the them and there the them and there is for israel, right? Um for I testify about them that they have a zeal But it's an ignorant zeal not according to knowledge for not knowing about god's righteousness and seeking to establish their Own they did not subject themselves as righteousness of god for christ is the end of law So They their righteousness was based on i'm a jew Their righteousness was based on I'm who I am my daddy my granddaddy my grandmother and so forth my lineage. Okay See what that does for you For moses writes that man who practiced righteousness based on the law show lived by so you could listen You can be saved you want to you can you can go to heaven and be saved if you follow the law But two things have to happen one. Uh, you got to be perfect Why well because there's no more offerings to give there is no more david toma So you better be perfect. You can't mess up. Oh, by the way, you have to start off perfect The the first time you mess up that's that because there is no other salvation. There is no other offering but what christ did so Let's drop down a little bit further and that's what he says But what does it say verse 8 the word is near you in your mouth and in your heart? That is the word of faith which we are preaching. Ah, there it is which we are preaching That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as lord, why does he say that jesus lord because what does what do the jews know The jews know that the lord is god and anyone that will not profess that jesus is the lord and he is god You cannot be saved. This is the reason why it makes a statement that if you can Confess with your mouth jesus as lord And believe in your heart god raise him from the dead. You will be saved Now notice what it says go to verse 11 for the scripture says whoever believes in him will not be disappointed Here it is for there is no distinction between jew and greek not obviously physically But in terms of salvation for the same lord is lord of all abounding and riches for all who call on him For whoever calls on the name of the lord will be saved. Now here it is. This is why this this is our role This is a Gentile role those who are saved How then will they call on him and whom they have not believed? They don't believe in him. That's our job How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? How will they preach unless they are sent? Just as this is written how beautiful are the feet of those who bring Good news and tidings. I'm sorry. Good news of good tidings Right However, now look what he says They did not all heed the good news for isaac and who's the they they did not heed the good Who is the they that did not heed the good news? Israel For isaac says lord who has believed our report. This is what Katrina was talking about who has believed our report So faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of lord and why we say this is the report Is not a verb because this word a coa is not a verb. It's a noun the report There is power that emanates from that report which we call the gospel But I say surely they have never heard have they indeed they have who's the they jew Their voice is going out into the earth and their word to the ends of the world But I say israel did not know do they so he even makes it clear who he's speaking of israel did not know Did they first moses says and here it is? I will make you jealous By that which is not a nation by a nation without understanding. I will anger you I as isaac says I was found by those who did not seek me But as for israel all day long, I have stretched out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people That's israel. That's not you stop saying you are the spiritual israel Especially if you're saved. Do you know how? Contradictory and duplicitous that is to say that you are the spiritual israel You are the israel that he's speaking of and he just said that these are obstinate people That's you and so when he talks about this spirit of stupor And a partial hardening. Is that you that cannot be you you're not if you're saved You don't have a spirit of stupor if you are saved you have not been partial hardening that is over israel. I say then Has god not rejected his people who's his people he's speaking of he's speaking of israel You don't have to be bothered because he says oh, that's his people you are too He's not saying those is only people But in this case the people that he made a covenant with just those people There's no other nation he made a covenant with no other individual nation He didn't make a covenant with the malachites. He didn't make a covenant with the hittites He didn't make a covenant with the jebusites. He certainly did not make a covenant with america. Nope He did not he didn't make a covenant with canada or uk or mexico or jamaica or turks and cacos. He made a covenant with them Why? Because he made a promise Because he wasn't doing anything one day. He was just sitting around Flipping through the television God didn't see anything on tv and just said, you know what? Let me just pick this guy abraham and make a covenant with him Well, he's wanting to show something And he makes a covenant so therefore it's going to happen. That's why he says I'm going to remember my covenant not because of you guys you guys are horrible You guys are jerks. I've done all this stuff to you and you guys just turn your back on me Thumb your nose on me at me. I come and save you you say thank you You go back and you can hang out with some other god You do all these different things you guys are horrible people but I will remember my covenant my promise that I made with abraham isaac and jacob So I say god has not rejected his people has it may it never be look what he says has he has god rejected israel May it never be for i2 am an israelite a descendant of abraham Of the tribe of benjamin god has not rejected his people whom he foreknew Ladies and gentlemen, he's speaking about israel now if he hasn't this is why you ought to shout I don't care if you not even charismatic. I'm not. I don't care if you're not even pinnacle. This is why you ought to shout Because if he has not rejected them He goes through all of these things for them You didn't have a pillar of fire by uh, uh night and a pillar of cloud by day leading you You weren't giving these offerings and sacrifices You didn't have a prophet you didn't have you didn't have the things done before you that they did You didn't have that The covenants and the and the oracles were not entrusted to you They disobeyed They turned their back Metaphorically speaking god has bent over backwards 12 times for these people They've broken covenant after covenant if you give them 10 more covenants. They'll break all of them You and I on the other hand Have never had a covenant with god never come and said hey you Gentiles Which group of Gentiles did god ever sit down and make a covenant with? Name the group of Gentiles that got sat down and made and had a covenant with No, they don't know the Gentiles won't know anything about any covenants We do now because we read the bible we know about all the covenants now But that being the case because the Gentiles broke all of the i mean gentiles the jews broke these covenants What does he still say? He says I will he I will not forget them the people whom he foreknowed god will not reject his people Well, if he won't reject them Those of you that have placed your faith in christ will he ever reject you? This is why you ought to be shouting He is going to do what he's accomplished Not for your sake before his own sake for his own name sake so that his name as he says will be glorified before all the nations and israel God has not rejected his people Drop down a little further Verse seven what then what israel is seeking it has not obtained But those who were chosen obtained it and the rest were hardened the rest of who the rest of the jews Were hardened but some jews who were chosen did obtain it. You know the paul's of the world the peters of the world The Bartholomew's the thomas's of the world those jews and those other jews on the day of pentecost They were chosen, but the rest were hardened. This is what god says and god gave them This is how you still know he's not talking about gentiles gave them a spirit of stupor question ladies and gentlemen, how long Matter of fact, not just a spirit of stupor. Let's drop down further Let's go to verse 23 and they also if they do not continue in their unbelief that is israel Will be grafted back in which you will do so at a point in time for if you were cut off from what is by nature And wild olive tree and were grafted contra to the nature it Into a cultivated olive How much more will these who are natural branches as israel be grafted back in To their own olive tree here it is for I do not want you brethren to be uninformed of this mystery So that you will be not be unwise in your own estimation now you speaking to you gentiles now I don't want you to be unwise And I don't want you to get like them I don't want you to be arrogant and bigheaded and prideful because you think you're saved because grandma was saved And you went to church and we had the biggest baddest church on the planet We have I got the biggest baddest bible and so forth and I can quote thousand scriptures Don't get arrogant because you might find out that you're not saved If your righteousness as jesus says does not exceed that of the Pharisees you won't see heaven If your righteousness is based on you And how great you are and how smart you are and how wonderful you are No, sorry, you won't make it because it's based on you and your works But he says a partial hardening has happened to who? to spiritual israel Because of chapter nine and ten is talking about a spiritual israel Well, then certainly chapter 11 is talking about a spiritual israel too and has a partial hardening happened to us spiritual israelites. No A partial hardening has happened to national israel When until the fullness of the gentiles as mean you as all of us And so all israel will be saved. Well, who is all of israel all of israel are the jews who are outwardly Jewish but also inwardly circumcised Now the reason why this is important is because One is controversial And this speaks to our own doctrine and theologies and so forth, but this is clear You can't read romans nine ten and eleven and come away if you're going to be a sound exergy and just take what the scripture say Come away thinking he's speaking about anything but ethnic israel This is why one of the first things i go to whenever i'm talking to someone about there about how they read the bible and so forth I love it when they go to romans nine ten eleven You really just read a whole lot into that, huh? You really just saw you as the main so you can't talk about Someone who is so far Righter to the left as as far as one of these super super super uber goofy Ultra charismatic who's just making up stuff I'm not imputing all charismatic. I'm just saying those that we know who just Come up with all sorts of things you can't get on them because they take something that's not there If we say don't exceed from what is written and then you who seem to be sound exceed from what is written It's why it's why I always go over acts One and two and I said that same little goofy question. I asked the same question over and over and over again How many people were in the upper room on the day of pentecost and like clockwork? Somebody's gonna come back and say there were 120 in the upper room on the day of pentecost And then I just want to just bang my head against the table Corey In reform theology, we agree with most of what you said. It's not the most It's the all that you don't agree with that's the problem with reform theology. You don't agree with everything I said I'm kid. I'm kid. I'm kid matter of fact. What was the passage that you said to go to you said in isa, uh Where at in isa f 42 Where at in isa f 42 that so I don't want to read the whole thing I don't want to have to read the whole thing. So if you can tell me where in isaia 40 42 Um tray, I'll I'll go there Well, thank you jade hoop jade. Oh, I said jade hoop jade hoped it. Thank you. You should be in bed. You should be in bed You should be in bed young lady But thank you for being up. Thank you so much and thank you for the uh super chat How do I convince? Uh, my brother that jesus is lord and islam is not the way well One you can't I let me just help you all out and And I wanted to cover this even because it's not on topics, but I do want to cover this You can't convince anybody You can't convince a muslim You can't convince a Jew now you can present the gospel and you can live before them What you can do is is I think it's surah 1094 I think it's surah 1094 there's a couple of the surahs also that say that what we have Uh, the word of god cannot be changed cannot be tampered with But then they the the surah surah the surah the Quran says that the the bible is the word of god That does come back and say that that has been changed But surah 1094 says that you should ask the people of the book and what they say do don't doubt it So he needs to ask a christian if he's going to be a good muslim now There are other places other channels that I would I would say look at Um, that kind of do a very good job of refuting islam Um, I know david wood. I'm not sure what his channel is now Uh, david wood does a does a wonderful job. So too does the younger brother got logic So go to those go to those channels. They give you far more that I can or will on on the topic So thank you kelly for the super chat Alrighty, let me see if I can see if uh 42 the first four verses. Okay Isaiah Behold my servant whom I uphold my chosen one in whom my soul delights I have put my spirit upon him. He will bring forth justice to the nations He will not cry out or raise his voice nor make his voice heard in the streets a bruised reed He will not break and a dimly burning wick. He will not extinguish extinguish. He will faithfully bring forth just justice He he will not be disheartened or crushed until he is established justice in the earth And the coast lands, uh, will will wait his Hit will wait expectantly for his law So, okay, help me out. How how am I seeing that this is? um How I'm not seeing your point in that so help me out brother and I'm looking for your for your response But help help me out See if it says isn't a contradiction Uh, a true Jew is one inwardly, but you can't become a Jew if you wish to Why it's almost like, okay If I if if the Lord started working with and it would have been easier for us But if the Lord would have started working with with Chinese people Right Then you and I would never say well we can become Chinese Clearly we can't Same thing The goal is not the listen the goal in the bible is never to become a Jew That's not the goal The goal is and I think we get that wrong The goal is never to become a Jew The goal is to become a part of the church part of his Catholic part of his flock The goal is to have a circumcised heart be you Jew or Gentile Jews can become part of the church Various different Gentiles come come part of the church But Gentiles can never become Jew Okay Just like a Jew can never become a Gentile So No, it's not it's not a it's not a contradiction In the context of Isaiah has the term servant ever been applied to anyone but Jesus I would have to look and see um, but could that I mean he's he's clearly speaking of Jesus here But I'm not I'm missing the point of how you're saying how this is clearly How he's Israel So let me ask you a question Trey. Do do you think do you think We are Israel and give me what's a definitive passage To say that we are Jewish we are Israel we are of The circumcision not circumcised in the heart Because there's a couple paths that might that that would that you can say yeah the circumcised heart That can be us which is fine. I don't have a problem with that either Anybody can be circumcised in the heart But anybody can't be a Jew just like anybody can't be Six seven anybody can't be you know black everybody can't be white anybody can't be asian Okay Did the Jews get a heart of flesh like we did the very first people to get a heart of flesh Were the Jews When when Jesus is speaking with Nicodemus And even in John 1 he speaks about the you ain't going to heaven unless that happens first You can't be saved you can't stay so you can't get saved and stay saved unless it happens first And so the very first people to have a regenerated heart were Jews The very first people to be to have the Holy Spirit in them were Jews 3% blood So yeah, they they get that the same way we do And god, have you ever thought about this? Have you ever thought about this? I don't know if y'all thought about this before I thought about this The other day my wife was at this at a christians women a christian Women's retreat And i'm sitting there thinking Some of some of the ladies were up and they were giving their little testimonies And i'm sitting there thinking about this girl is going through this this woman is going through that This person is going through that this kid over here one day's gonna go through this all of these things are happening All of this stuff is happening And god is still in control God is working in this girl In that guy in this man in that woman god is god is working all of these things And it's not a big deal. It's not it's not too tough. It's not too difficult for him God is how awesome is god Well, just just just think about that for a second Excuse me roman's 228 29 um As it is no more no less Excuse me. I'm sorry Let's go to roman's too This passage was brought up before As to He's speaking of anybody anybody can become more of us. Let's read this passage Because it might look like that this is an inclusive of gentiles and jews Let's start invert, you know, let's start in verse 24 For the name of god is blaspheme Among the gentiles because of you Who's because of you? jews Because of you jews The name of god has been blaspheme. Well, by the way, that's not new This is not a new statement. This comes from isaia 52. This is what god says And I and I have at the bottom you can see this and in isaia 52 and in ezekiel 36 Okay, I got you. I got you Now, let's see what he's saying. He's he's telling us he's repeating what isaia and ezekiel said about the jews Y'all have just done some horrible things and you've caused the name of god to be blaspheme. Let's continue for indeed Circumcision is of value if you practice a law But if you are a transgress of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. You might not even be circumcised It's become like you're not god is not ironing the fact that you are circumcised, but you're living like you're not So if the uncircumcised man keeps requirements of the law, well, not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision Yeah, but does that make him a jew And he who is physically uncircumcised if if he keeps the law will he not be judged? I'm sorry. Will he not judge you who though having the letter of the law and circumcision are a transgression of the law Nothing's actually gonna judge them But but what he's done in comparison in light with what what you've done There's a judgment for he is not a jew Who is won outwardly nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh all he's simply saying is that Merely being a jew doesn't make you a jew The problem that we do the mistake that we do is if we want to take that anyone on the outside can come in and be a jew And we're going to find out in just a second Uh, for he is not a jew verse 28 who was won outwardly nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh But he is a jew who is won inwardly and circumcision is that which is of the heart by the spirit Not by the letter and his praise is not from me and but from god. So there's two possibilities one possibility is This is anybody who gets circumcised in the heart. They become a jew Or the other possibility. He's only speaking about jews who become circumcised in the heart. It's only two possibilities The only two possibilities are there are no other options Well, he's going to tell us in verse one the next statement Then What advantage has the jew? So he's going back. He's talking about the jews or what is the benefit of circumcision Great in every respect first of all that they were entrusted with who's a day the jews Were entrusted with the orders of god What then if some did not believe their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of god Will it may it never be rather let god be found true though every man be found a liar as it is written That you may be justified by your words. So he's speaking about jews these jews You being circumcised doesn't make you a jew, but there's i mean of the heart You being circumcised in the heart makes you circumcise the heart and makes you say A jew being circumcised in the flesh doesn't make him a real jew Makes him a jew ethnically but not what christ is talking about what paul is talking about He's speaking that you have to not just merely be a jew outwardly, but you are circumcised outwardly. You must be circumcised inwardly so And every time that the bible speaks about think about this like 277 times In the new testament where he speaks of either jews Uh israel or of the circumcision and he's clearly referring to them He may he's making a distinction between the gentiles and the jews And the reason for that again, it's not a reason again I don't know why anyone would want to be at you because again, what are What are the promises of israel does anyone know what the promises of israel and we'll get back to the main point of talking about What what what are the promises of israel? The promises of israel um Okay, there it is someone says his his main channel is Apologetics roadshow. Okay. That's for david wood. Okay So go check it out apologetics roadshow But what what has god promised israel? But what has god promised it by the way? He brings this up um He said why has said why does Satan want to kill us? Have y'all read revelation when he talks about this this woman and the child Go read that and tell me who he's talking about but what is god's promise for israel? He's got a promise for israel He's got a harsh problem promise for them He's gonna bring them to him. He is he's promised to bring them to him Not all of them But his promise in bringing them to him Is before you get to me I'm gonna beat you so bad I'm gonna have you ever had your parents some of your young folks who know this but some of the older folks Your parents ever maybe you were in the car Or you read someone's house and you did wrong or you read the store you read school And your mother your father said I can't wait to get you home Now some of your parents just beat the crap out of you right there, you know right then and there But they told that don't you hate that? They promise to beat you when you get home Well when you get home, I when you when you get home Well, just just beat me here Can you do it here? Matter of fact beat me in front of all these good white folks here that way You'll know when to stop because if you go home with this they don't tell them so do it do it right now Mama, would you please beat me right here right now? Don't take me home So god has promised Wait, wait till I get you home Wait till I get you home That is god's promise to israel. I love you And you know how you say this is gonna hurt me. This is gonna hurt me more than hurts you I used to hate that this is gonna hurt. No, it ain't no. Well, let me whoop you then Well, god is gonna beat them In many cases into submission he's gonna bring them now He's also gonna use us And oh by the way, oh by the way Because we're gonna be talking about this on next week. Yay or next week. We're gonna be talking about the end times So many folks waiting for that We're gonna talk about the end times and how is god going to be using the church or not the church, but Gentiles also Because aren't they gone? Aren't the Gentiles gone at well not all the Gentiles are gone Not all the Gentiles are gone Obviously most Gentiles are gonna still be here Most of the jews are gonna still be here Somebody's got to tell these jews something We got to read Isaiah 53 and 54 You get once we go back and read it was like what a second these jews are gonna look back and call her name. How? No, I don't know man. Listen your parents your mom and dad are different than my mom No, no, no if my mama if listen, I don't want her. She's not my mother I thought that that she once we got home. She cooled down No, no, you're missing it. No, she's drinking Gatorade getting all oiled up and greased up and ready to go. She's getting relaxed. She's Stretching limb bring up She's trying to figure out her weapon of choice Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I don't know what you're what I don't know what some of you guys who's whooping your beatings were like But my mother had a weapon of choice She would just which one am I going to use this one of that one? Yeah Stay away stay away from the trees mama Come out the trees come out the weeds mom. We don't we don't want to switch new mama, have you ever Have you ever gotten a whooping and you went and got the belt for or for him Haven't you ever done that and you get the one that you know don't hurt the most Oh, I've got to be with a curtain right before I haven't gotten beat with extension cord. I have gotten hit with one My grandmother had an orange racetrack Plastic racetrack and she said I'm gonna beat your back and she beat our backs like we were slain my grandma beat us like slaves She beat us like slaves and couldn't care less. She you know how you do how many you all This this life you've been taking a clear turn, but how many you all this this is how crazy we are How many y'all after anybody ever got a whooping with a sibling? And then after you got a whooping you got a spanking you compared your marks with your with your siblings look look I'm not the only one I am not the only one that compared your uh your bruises and your and your whelps and so forth with yeah Yeah I never had to pick the switch out though. No. Oh nope. She did that on her own So Anyway, but that's what israel has in store What they're gonna go through He said think about this. He says pray that you're not pregnant Pray pray. It's not the winner Pray you're not pray It is going to be so bad Now you folks are like, hey, I don't believe in that quarry. Okay fine. You gotta believe in it If you're jewish Then you need to believe in it if you're not jewish and you're part of the The family won't matter because you won't be here even if you don't believe it Even if you don't believe because there's nowhere in the bible where he's going to punish the righteous with the unrighteous We don't see that So we're gonna talk about the end times and we're gonna see what what god has in store Because god doesn't just do stuff just because you know what let me just do something for these people No, no, I got a whooping in syllables. I know what you mean being why I I got a whooping in syllables. Y'all know what y'all know what uh would be and why means Your parent is talking to you and they can't talk they can't they don't have single limb independence So they can't they can't carry in a conversation while they're doing this. So didn't I tell you not Harry, I'm gonna get to the end of the sentence mama. You're talking too much hurry up Yeah, I know exactly. I know exactly what you mean And you know, it's crazy. That's how bad we are We call that how many y'all call that the good old days That's how messed up we are we got we got the we got the skin beat off of us and we called it the good old days Remember good old back in the day and we reminisce about it Tina said not me. Yeah, I listen. I love the good old days The threat of a whooping it wasn't a big deal. I get whooping I'm gonna be outside on that bike later on though I'm gonna be outside on that bike. I'm gonna be building something. I'm gonna be in the dirt I'm gonna be throwing the football somewhere tapping somebody running hiding somewhere I'll be somewhere halfway across town and be back Before those lights come on I'll be in I'll be in the yard somewhere practicing my karate with my brothers and cousins and friends Kicking each other in the head. That was the good stuff That was the good them the good old days. Some of you folks don't know about it. Yeah You can take me back to that. I don't take me back I'm thinking of the song and take me back. Yeah You see a small you see a small whoopin I don't know what a small whooping is a small whooping was a slap That was a anybody got slapped in upside the head Slapping the lips slapping the head slapped on the back of the head slapping your back Now parents people look at you like like your like your mother doesn't love you If you didn't hit your kid back then they look at you like you didn't look Yeah, what I'm gonna hide it. I wouldn't hide them to be it No, you know, you don't you don't make mama go go looking for your daddy or looking for you If I got if I got to go after you it's gonna be worse Yeah Um If god is intentional and sovereign then why does he talk about israel as though he loves them more than us And also how do we not conclude that we are saying why okay? How does he how does he help me out here? How does he speak that he that that he loves them more than us? I want you to think about something for a second I want you to think about the level of care And attention and love That he's given to us as gentiles Now eventually it's going to be all upon all of us But by and large it's been mostly poured out on gentiles And what he has done Is that he has shown us The extent that he's gone through think about this if he loves israel so much. Why did he put them on the back burner for us? Now let's just oh my mom still pinches Why why did I'll tell you something the second I saw that was really crazy, but it worked why If he loves him so much Think about it if you got a sibling who you who let's say She was the favorite child Or you thought so Put this child on the back burner to buy you stuff to take care of you stuff. You would you would change your tune wouldn't you? You would change your tune Yes, he was my mother's gone to my mother and father And don't get me crying. So don't do that. Don't don't do that. Don't do that But god loves us equally And sometime I think we wonder does he love us differently? They didn't love us differently at all You can't convince me that god loves abraham or isaac or jacob more than he loves me You couldn't convince me of that. I know he loves me just as much I know he loves me matter of fact, they didn't have the holy spirit in them. I did I do I would much rather be Post cross than prior to the cross You can't tell me he loves he loves Jonah or paul Or simian or david more than he loves me Loves me just as much Yeah, he took nails from me He took a yeah, he took all that for me and for you That's why he says in roman's 90s talking about if he wants to show his love And his wrath show mercy as well as the same time his righteousness. I'm gonna deal with them But show some love to these other people There's no way we should ever come away thinking that we are second-class citizens And if someone has kind of in an incorrectly given a dispensational harmony to give you that Perception that's wrong. We are not second-class citizens matter of fact if you came away thinking that We are that we are we're it. We're the bees knees. They would say we you know, we all let in a bag of chips in god's eyes I wouldn't care if you thought that He's been acting like it for the last 2000 years with us. He loves us And he loves them too Just like I love my I love my children I love I love all my children. There's not one that I love more than the other Love my grandchildren. There's not one grandchild that I love more than the others now If you told my I told my uh, my daughter Uh and her husband If it ever came down to it me choosing between You two And those grandkids Listen, you had you had a good run You had a good run nice knowing you Um, see you on other side But I'm saving the grandkids before I save my kids. Sorry. Hey, sorry. I don't love. I don't love them more than you but I like them better than you I don't love them more than you. I just like them better than I like you. How about how about that? That mean to say Yeah, okay, whatever when you get you some grandkids, you'll see they can they can really do no wrong They can really do one of them bite my my my daughter. Uh, he's throwing stuff. He's doing all kind of stuff Love them to death. Love them to death. They can they can't do wrong. They can't do wrong so Y'all know and anybody with grandkids. Yeah. Yeah, I love my kids But uh, them kids got to go Just got to go. Um Is it useful to look at the greek in romans 9 6 that that it doesn't say true israel Jeff, uh Romans 9 6 let's go to Romans 9 6. Let's see. Let's see what jeff is Let's be uh-oh But it's not as though the word of god has failed for they are not all the descendants who are from israel The greek does help uh, here it is. Um ugar pante's for For not all Oi x which is from israel Utoi israel so So it's not of so he's only speaking the greek makes it clear. He's only speaking of those that are From israel those are the only ones that are in play It cannot be the greek and I wouldn't go into the greek but the greek makes it clear that he's not speaking of a Spiritual israel. He's only speaking. He couldn't be speaking of israeli. He's speaking of out of from Out of israel. So those are the only ones that are that didn't play there. Uh, thank you, jeff All right, ladies and gentlemen so, um I think there's and I never did go over the other parts that I want to go over What I was going to do and I think we did we did a well enough job Uh, I was going to actually even pull up every time that gen tau was mentioned Every time we already covered every time that israel was mentioned But also every time that jew was mentioned and let's see is it clear who he's speaking of And again guys the reason the whole point of this has nothing to do with israel This whole discussion tonight has nothing to do with israel has nothing to do with eugenitals It has everything to do with how we read I was talking to a person trey are you still in is trey still in the chat? I was talking to one of his people the other day I was talking to um A six-point calvinist the other day and I asked him a question I said Of all of your tenants It's okay. There he is. It's possible you could be wrong Which of those tenants do you hold unless in the five points of calvinism? Do you think are the most important and I'm I don't bother to think well if you if you if you don't have that They all fall apart. No, they don't no, they don't For example, you can believe an election and perseverance of saints and not be a calvinist I go to school where most of them feel that way and that's not the case Uh, who don't who if you don't hold to total depravity How could you hold to election? They're not connected. They're not connected Now your definition of of total depravity is where's the point that that that's the issue but What one thing or two parts of the five points would you let go? Are you saying are you saying uh Am I catching this right? Are you saying that Total depravity if you could let go of one thing if if you thought one thing was false, it would be that What's what's the one thing you would not let go What's the one what's the one? Um point of calvinism you're not wouldn't let go Oh, you said no. Okay. Well, let's do it the other way because you're being difficult What's which one point of calvinism if you had I only get to know that one of them definitely is true. Which one would it be? And I'm I'm trying to prove something here Which one point That's just a hater But which one point right which one point by the way any other if anyone else is a calvinist in the in the Which one point would you so you know what that's the one I hang my head on I have to I have I won't budge off of that if I if if if all of them are false except one This is the one that I want So total depravity wait a second. Hold on. That's weird. That's that's kind of morbid when you think about that That's the one that you want to be the most true. That's the one you and you had on really That's really are you okay? Are you punking me I would have thought yeah, uh, ronald. I would have thought that it was going to either be eternal security Or election now those two go hand in hand because you can't be elected and not but I guess if someone has a different view of election But okay fine eternal security. That's when I got a hang or or what about like one of those two I would have thought It doesn't all hang on total depravity You drunk the kool-aid They saw they listen. They sent you a bigger by amazon backed up the truck to your house with a big old Calvin's bag of kool-aid I'm kidding It all depends on if you believe in total depravity the way you believe in it, but if you're if your view of total depravity is off And I think the greek is clear on total depravity that it cannot be how how how they say it I think it's clear. I think it's I think it's clear Now I think the greek is also clear I think the greek I think the greek spells it out clearly on total depravity not in favor of Calvinist, but I think in terms of eternal security an election it does I think I think it's very clear on that The reason why I asked that question though, let me get to the point of why I said question Because I was talking to a Calvinist um Who was not as stringent as you Was like, yeah, you know what? Yeah, I can see that And I said the only reason why I'm asking this to you or saying this to you is that you don't make sure that you are more inter promoting the confession or the doctrine Over the scriptures Because let's be clear. I don't care what group you're part of if you're Calvinist If you are 1689 if you're if you are uh, London If you are Lutheran if you are charismatic if you whatever We tend to want to become tribal around what we believe And not as dogmatic about the scriptures Everybody can say this said it about somebody in their group. There's a lot of folks in your group They're more Calvinist than they are christian. They're more charismatic than they are christian They're more baptist than they are christian. They're more lutheran than they are christian. They're more Um cessationist than they are christian. They're more continuationist than they are christian And they're in lives of problem They're they're in lives of problem not not that you might be wrong about anything You might be right about everything but the point is though If if i'm not willing to be wrong and look for where i'm wrong Then i'll never get to the truth I'll never the the only way that we're saved is because i found that and realized and looked for the fact that i'm wrong As a human being And so therefore if i'm willing to see that i'm wrong as a person i can be saved Because if you don't see that you're wrong, I have no need of a doctor. I'm well I have I have no need of the bible if i'm not wrong about anything If i'm wrong about something then there's the bible it guides me, but if i'm not wrong about anything I don't need the bible. I've mastered it. I don't need it anymore. Amen Let me ask this last question and then we will move out Um, she says if god is sovereign and all knowing Why go forward with creation when he already knew the outcome? How do we answer this question? Unfortunately my sister we can't Because neither you nor I would have done that if I would have known that hey these folks are gonna mess up. I ain't creating you but He's got he has a purpose that we don't know he he knows better and knows more Is it because is it because he is he wants to show how much he loves us? Could be Why didn't he just show that without the phone? We you and I would not do it the same way But he says his ways are not our ways his thoughts are mine He's so far and high above us and so we can't even begin to contemplate why he does what he does But we know what he has a purpose and a reason he does everything he does according to his good pleasure and his counsel He didn't ask you or I He didn't ask jonathan or jeff or brad or dutch. He didn't ask any of you people or any or me What do you think I should do? I'm thinking about doing this Give me your advice. Nope God's not coming to you asking for your advice because if he did I can promise you whatever your advice would be He'd go the opposite direction because it ain't worth worth anything and so It's like kids. It's like parents asking their they do it nowadays though I take that back parents asking their kids for advice on stuff My mama no No No, I didn't I didn't get a hold on to say so growing up I just didn't I didn't ask me what you want to eat tonight If I put on your plate, you got two choices If it's on your plate to eat it or don't eat or don't or don't get it on your plate But the moment it touches your plate you eating all of that And you can try to fake and act like you sleep if you want to Y'all do that you act like you sleep you fall asleep on the table. All right, fine Tomorrow come breakfast lunch or dinner that plate that you fell asleep in front of is right there you eating that Yeah, you you don't want to say that you wanted to help ends this You wanted to thought that those beats were actually cranberry sauce Yeah, so You'll learn next time Anyway, the whole point though guys is making sure that we read the scriptures Let's make it say what it says our our my favorite scripture or it hasn't come my favorite scripture Is uh first Corinthians four six We have we must learn not to exceed what it's written So let's exit the text not I exegeted or not succeeded. Amen. Amen