 Let me ask you so so what do you what do you do to to to get people that I'm not just talking about members of any of that I'm talking about how do you get people stirred up in reading the word of God what what is one some of the things you try to do with God and it was a true power behind me so I said and again you can you can talk to people and try and encourage them but they have to come to the to their place in the story where they have to want God and you can't really force people they have to want it and he says you know he's an open door he said if you knock I'll open you know if you call he'll answer and some people they just don't want it they kind of want it but they don't want it better than what they want to sacrifice I didn't grow up in church that's that's that's definitely the way you have to look at it when we're going through this wilderness you have to be able to you know still teach people about God in a way to where they can still be of you know the Holy Spirit it's not bound the word of God is not bound and we know that you know we know that we know that people you just spoke on in the wilderness or wherever they may be even now you know because you know me you know I'm one that you worship God where you stand you know how I am about that I basically know that you know you've been called out that word church means Ecclesia it means to be called out from among them that's what that word means every time we read it in the Bible and I think that we have to you know far as the way the Holy Spirit moves um sorry the way the Holy Spirit moves we have to at at some point uh start helping our people to understand that they're not in a box right right see that's the whole thing for me they're not in a box they're they're they're basically you the Holy Spirit dwells within you leadership goes outside of the church walls and the thing we gotta understand is people that been putting these homes and and been forced a lot of them fear has struck in instead of faith and and so as leaders I don't look I don't put no boundaries but because you're a leader it it needs to be a word sent out to the people at all times that God is still real in the midst of their homes right because a lot of families are hurting right now because there's nobody talking to them they didn't even the kids was going a little bit more something when I was little you know the kids may go and the parents may not go because the parents is causing all kind of hell at home that's the only out the kids got a school in the church yeah or or now they can't go and so they stuck in the house with with parents who don't even understand them so how do we get through those doors the message the message how do we get that message to permeate those those those doors of these places where people are locked in those caves you understand I'm praying for them because this is happening right and that's that's something that God always had me looking at anyway right far as a way to get to people who don't have nothing don't have no way that's that's what I think Jesus meant when he said the harvest is truly plentiful and the labels of few when he was talking about going to Samaria and hanging out that weekend you know over there and and John so that's the part where we have to be creative yes enough to get to those to those people this is a great test that everyone not just us but everyone is going through because a lot of people are losing loved ones a lot of people have lost their jobs people who have faith or had faith a lot of people had faith and has lost it during this pandemic or is struggling tremendously because whether they're so used to going to this church home over here and they're not able there's an affair or whatever to go over there they're not realizing that I can find God even in the midst of where I am right now I need to really sit down and study this word and and have a revelation with him right here right now and not because there's a lot of people who do depend on a preacher a reverent and I realize that and that's the thing that I've always felt sad about you know I was raised in church back home and so forth so I was I've seen people always my pastor this or my preacher this and my so forth and not make you feel like I can get this on my own they don't read the word is what she trying to understand what I mean they don't study they go and they listen to whatever he tells them and then that's it they'll take it and run with it but not study it for themselves and get that revelation but I can understand why in some form because as a child if you don't study and read or even as an adult if you don't study and read for yourself you're not going to gain understanding you're just going to look for what somebody tells you right and that's it so whenever you pick it up to try to understand yourself a lot of times it feels like gibberish because you don't understand it so you tend to look for somebody to tell you what it is instead of trying to get it yourself or learn how to understand it yourself I don't I think I think it takes spending time with God it does I don't I don't think I think the gibberish part come because you're not letting go of things that's pretty much holding you back in the flesh are we read about that the other day yeah I have to really you know I really don't think yeah I don't think I think that that gibberish thing is an excuse I'm being real with you if you can read every other book you can read the word of God but you choose to take interest in what you want to take interest in that's what I feel because you have to let things go in order to grow back to that why I was saying earlier yeah you don't have a strong enough why yeah yeah yeah what let me ask you so so what do you what do you do to to to get people that I'm not just talking about members of any of that I'm talking about how do you get people stirred up in reading the word of God what what is one some of the things you try to do with God and that's a true power behind me so and again you can you can talk to people and try and encourage them but they have to come to the to their place in the story where they have to want God and you can't really force people they have to want it and he says you know he's an open door he said if you knock I'll open you know if you call he'll answer and some people they just don't want it they kind of want it but they don't want it better than what they want to sacrifice I didn't grow up in church you're right I'm gonna flip this a little bit so what about unjust leadership that because they make the ones who try to do right look bad and the bible talks about false prophecies so we can't just talk about this side here and not leave that side open right you know or talk about that the bible says woe going to the man to go say God said and he ain't said nothing yeah in the book of Ezekiel right and it also talks about in a way to where it talks about that in the last days there's going to be false prophets to step up and I believe that we're in those times a lot of times in the way that I see the activity today so in in in in hindsight looking back in your your in your career and you being in this thing have you um ever ran across a place where you had to educate one on what was really real with God yeah versus what what somebody had portrayed God to be when it was falseism daily yeah when it was falseism because you don't hear talk about that right right everybody want to talk about the good parts but they don't want to talk about the the part where where issues come up whether it be Paul and Barnabas decide they're gonna part ways these things happen yes or whether it be human as or whoever Paul talking about because he those names out there he had issues with heresies and all this stuff so we know that they had issues but for some reason in today's society we try to cover ours up in a way to where it's not talked about right and everybody that's going and everybody that's doing and saying that Jesus is Lord is is really following Christ but we know the word says uh said for some of false apostles transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ and no marvel for Satan himself is transforming to an angel of light therefore there's no great thing if his ministers be transformed also so we know this is happening are we addressing it are we we see it do we you know do we react and do the things that it take to to to help the people i'm not talking about them and again it's hard to address uh all issues with all ministers this pandemic itself is addressing so much is addressing and listen even when we talk about uh god and and in in the in the old testament that the priest had to wear a robe e-file yeah and and they had yes but they had bells they had bells that's right on the bottom of the bells and plumb grants that's right they tied a rope around that's right when he was going to hold the hold and he would say i'm good i'm good yeah yeah yeah but we found out if he was good that's right that's right that's right that's right so you okay now i see where you're going because judgment becomes a thing that yes they will have to answer to what they what they do i get it each individual have to answer to god and themselves a lot of times people always say well this person this person we blame everybody else but ourselves yes but at the end of the day when judgment come we have to stand up in front of him or ourselves and account for everything that we've done and at that point you can say well god well i had a good heart i had a distance that we know what we're we're supposed to do from what we shouldn't be doing right because he left the holy ghost to help lead us yes but jesus say many going to come in that day yes see see it's going to be a mini coming in days then we cast out demons in your name then we heal the sick in your name we did some things that looked like we was doing the things that people that was kicking it with you was doing listen even in the he said in the end times there'll be a great a falling away correct that's right that's what we're going through is a great falling away if you don't have a strong enough why it's easy when hard times difficult times times we don't understand times that cause maybe some conflict or yeah uneasiness suggest yeah yeah yeah we on boss talk one-on-one