 So good evening, everybody. This is an open meeting of the Earrington Finance Committee. It's being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12th, 2022 to the COVID-19 virus pandemic. In order to mitigate the transmission of the virus, we've been advised and directed to suspend public meetings. And as such, the governor's order suspends the requirement of the open meeting law to have all meetings in a publicly accessible physical location. Further, all the members of public bodies are allowed and encouraged to participate remotely. The order, which you can find posted with the agenda materials for this meeting allows public bodies to meet entirely remotely as long as reasonable public access is afforded so the public can follow along. Ensuring public access does not ensure public participation unless such participation is required by law. This meeting will feature public comment only in writing by email to T. Bradley at town.arlington.ma.us. 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Please remember to mute your phone or your computer when you're not speaking and please remember to speak clearly and in a way that helps generate accurate minutes. For any response, please wait until the chair yields the floor to you and state your name before speaking. If you wish to engage in colloquially with other members please do so through the chair, taking care to identify yourself. And due to the size of my laptop screen I may not be able to see all members at once. So if someone has raised their hand and I've not noticed, I hereby requested either Tara Bradley or any of the court, please bring this to my attention. Finally, each vote taken in this meeting will be conducted by roll call vote. So first, permit me to confirm that all the members and persons on the agenda are present and can hear me. So members, when I call your name, please indicate that you are present. Grant Gibbian. I am here. Shane Blundell. Here. John Ellis. Makaya Healy. Here. Brian Beck. Here. Arif Padaria. Sophie. Here. Jonathan Wallach. Here. Shailene Crawford. Darrell Harmer. Here. Annie LaCourt. Annie LaCourt. Oh, maybe she wasn't even being here. Alan Jones. Here. George Kosher. Here. Bill Keller. Here. Al Tosti. Here. Juan de Nascimento. Here. Christine Deschler. Here. The Dean Carmen is going to be here tonight. David McKenna. David McKenna's not here. Okay, so let me just count. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. We have 14 members, so we have a quorum. Tara Bradley. Tara, you here? Tara, you're mute. I'm sorry, what was that? I was asking, Tara Bradley, are you here? I'm here, sorry, I'm on the phone with Dave right now. Trying to, we're trying to get in right now. Yes, I am. Tech support, okay, I got it. All right, so I would like- Charlie, John Ellis is joined. John Ellis, thank you. I've also joined Charlie, Shailene. Oh, Shailene. Yep, hi, sorry. John Ellis and Shailene, okay. Okay, so Jonathan Wallach, in order to complete the roll call here, can you introduce the members of the Capital Planning Committee that are here tonight and also any, make any introductory comments that you would like to make? Sure, thank you, Charlie. Hold this. And by the way, for new members, Jonathan Wallach is our delegate to the Capital Planning Committee and a member of the Capital Planning Committee. Yes, thank you. So joining us tonight for a presentation from the Capital Planning Committee are Timor Yonder, who's the chair of the committee, as well as Sandy Pooler, Phyllis Marshall, Edie Cody. And am I missing anyone? Oh, Kate, Kate Lusian. And Timor will actually do formal introductions of everyone as part of his presentation. And I believe, Timor, you want to be able to. Well, which way do we get to that agenda, John? And I just wanted to get the names of the people as we were taking. Oh, sorry. Okay. Okay, so do we have all of the members that have Timor, Sandy Pooler, Phyllis, Edie and Kate, is it Kate Lusian? Correct. Okay, anyone else? No one else is here. Okay, thank you. Okay. Has any of the court arrived yet? No. No, and I believe she's not gonna be here tonight. I think. No, she's not. I believe she's at the ARB tonight. Okay, I recall there was a, she sent an email about that. Okay, so I'd like to just make a couple of comments to the members. We're honored to have the Capitol Planning Committee here this evening. This is a group that puts as much time and effort into their work as the select board and school committee or finance committee or any other major boards in committees in town. And they have an enormous impact on our spending and on the efficiency of delivery of services in the town. So please pay attention to the presentation and ask any question you wish after the presentation. There are no foolish questions on this complex subject. And Jonathan, I would appreciate it if you would bring up, Dean's not here tonight. He wrote an email. He had a couple of questions that he wanted to address and if you could bring those up later, I'd appreciate it. I certainly will. And also I want to point out that Kate Leary and Julie Wayman have also joined us. Oh, okay, thank you. So I mentioned at the last meeting there's likely gonna be a special town meeting which may address two issues. One is this private way, betterment question. And the other is a reserve fund. And what to do with the reserve fund from the school enrollment and there wasn't used. And I think perhaps Sandy Poole will address that for us at the next meeting. And a communication today that I received from Edie Cody who happens to be here tonight indicates that if there's any money left in the reserve fund of any kind on June 30th, it goes into free cash. So that would argue that we have to address that issue at the special town meeting. The third thing I wanted to bring up and I don't know if Wanda, did you see my email earlier? I don't think so. Okay, so I somehow got an email. I don't, considering my political liberties, I don't understand why that has occurred but anything can happen, I suppose. So Representative Catherine Clark sent an email today pointing out that Arlington's public health director, Natasha Whaden was her guest at the state of the union address the other night. So I think that's pretty impressive. And I just wanted to make sure that we all sort of had a virtual shout out for Natasha Whaden. And Sandy, do you have any comments to make about that? Are you familiar with this? Maybe not. I am not familiar with that but I think it's terrific if it's true. Yeah, that was my response. And I guess I'm on Catherine Clark's email list and you're not, I don't know why that is, but. Oh yeah, I'm in a different district. Oh, that could be, that could be, okay. Well, anyway, please pass on the finance committees. Congratulations to Natasha. That would be nice. Oh, I did get the email in my hotmail. Okay. And I did get the Catherine Clark emails in my junk mail. I've been getting those for a while too. I usually don't read them, but I'll read this one. Okay. So we come to the next formal item on the agenda here is the presentation from the Capital Planning Committee. So, Mr. Yontar, turn over to you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And just in terms of logistics, we would like to present our agenda on the screen. Will we be able to do that? I believe if we can have Julie Wayman, co-host and projected for us, that would be. I think Tara, sorry, is that. You should have access to be able to share at any one of you individually if you'd like, but I can change someone to co-host if that's needed as well. Nope, looks fine to me. Ready when you guys are. Okay. So again, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Thanks to all of you for having us. I'm Team Oriyantar. I am the chair of the Capital Planning Committee. And I truly hope that our next time that we do this presentation with you, it will be in person. Julie, whenever you're ready to put up the deck, thank you. All right. Kicking off with the rendering of our largest capital plan project, which is the DPW renovation. Next slide, please. To start, here's a list of the attendees tonight from Capital Planning. There are eight of us, I believe, currently on the call. And I think that at least one and perhaps all three of the remainder will be joining as well. Since we're on Zoom, we all have our names next to our video feeds. But we'll take a moment to introduce ourselves in alphabetical order as shown here. I guess, can you start, please? Or just say, you know, your role in the town or... Hello, everyone, I'm sorry. My name is Ida Cody, and I'm the town controller. Kate Leary. Yeah, Kate Leary, a committee member. Kate Lucian. I'm Kate Lucian, also a representative from the community. I'm Phyllis. Hi, I'm Phyllis Marshall. I'm the town treasurer collector. Michael Mason will be joining us at around eight o'clock. Chris, I don't believe he's here yet. Okay. Oh, you are. Hello, Chris. Hi, Chris Moore, moderator, appointee to the committee. Sandy. Sandy Puehler, deputy town manager and finance director. Juan. Yeah, I'm John Wallach. I'm the finance committee designee to the capital planning committee. As we all know, I'm Julie. I am Julie Wayman. I'm the management analyst. Joe Barr is our recording secretary and he may be able to attend depending on yet a work conflict that came up sudden. Okay. Next slide, please. Okay, so we have tonight's agenda, a little on who we are and what we do, and then what we're going to be asking you to do. Overview of the major issues that have come up this year and that we will expect will leave with us for a while. What the capital plan has achieved or currently achieving, how it fits into the town budget. Some detail on the main recommended expenditures. First, we talk about sources. Since we have substantial additional funds available this year, then by department we do in descending order of size within the capital budget the uses. Some specifics from the treasurer on prior borrowing and on re-appropriations. And finally the recommended vote. Next slide, please. And this recap their membership and how each of us came to be on capital planning. I know that we have one vacancy. If you know of anybody who would be interested in a capital planning role, but the exception of John, none of you may do this. We would be always welcome to hear a recommendation. Next slide, please. This shows how we divide up the work. We have several subcommittees, each of which meets with a few town departments. Okay, before I go into the work that we do, let's take a step back as to why are we doing this? Our capital expenditures are for long-lasting assets, often costly ones that we must borrow to pay for. So it naturally leads itself to a long-term planning. And by creating a plan, we reduce our uncertainty. We also weigh priorities, which is of course necessary to keep in a budget. And by having this dedicated group pay careful attention to these matters, we hope to reassure our citizens to give them confidence about the money that we're spending on their behalf. Next slide, please. For many of you, this is familiar, but I know there's always turnover. So I would just do a refresh-around process for new members. We look at the town's year-by-year budget revenue and then allocate 5% of that for capital expenditures. This is for non-exempt spending. We do not count the exempt spending. And as part of this, what is exempt spending? That's the kind of that we authorize through debt exclusion votes. Currently the most well-known example is the Oregon High School. Exempt spending is a separate pool of money paid for by extra taxes for a specific client project. So, but for non-exempt spending, we ask the town's departments when the fiscal year starts in the summer, tell us their requests. And those are for the coming fiscal year, when it begins the following July 1st, as well as for the four fiscal years after that. These are submitted to the town manager's office through the beginning of September and our committee begins meeting then. We then, in the subcommittee groups, meet with the department heads to discuss their request in detail and also with the facilities department regarding the upkeep of the physical plant. Questions like, is it time for a new roof? We then have each subcommittee present reports as a full committee. And we review them, ask questions and approve or not and prioritize the requests. We also looked to balancing the spending within the 5% rule, both in the current budget year and over the full five year plan. Wanted us to note here at the bottom that we are the representatives now when we stand on the children's and giants and our prior leadership and committee members. The capital plan has been successful and in budget for the last 35 years. We keep the 5% rule to meet the town's needs and it also provides, certainly, guardrails. We don't spend too little or too much. We have been using the 5% rule first because it has worked. And it's also in line with what we see in practice in other towns and cities in the Commonwealth. So tonight, next slide, please. KJ, tonight we're asking you to vote favorable action on our recommended budget and the reappropriation to support our five year plan, although we only have the current, or sorry, the coming fiscal year, fiscal 23 as being voted on at town meeting. And as a housekeeping matter to transfer $10,000 from perpetual care to the capital budget, this happens every year. Okay, our big picture. As you'll see in detail in a couple of slides, we are once again at 5%, both of the coming fiscal year budget and the five year plan. The fiscal 23 budget is a gross $10.5 million for capital before offsetting funds and 9.1 million net after those offsets. It's roughly in line with where we were last year. And we'll be talking a few more slides about our town's achievements in the capital plan, what we have paid for, our paying for, and intended to pay for. Sort of editorial here, we've considered this year's plan to feel a bit tight. We are faced with a number of challenges towards the essential one of budgeting and resources. We are also seeing from both departments and residents alike, they're seeking improvements and excellence in what the town delivers and cost to escalating. Even before the last couple of years, we've been seeing increased regulations, for example, that were just driving up the cost of playgrounds, of school resets, that kind of thing. Now on top of that, we have inflation and supply chain issues to worry about too. Also, we have been working to try to get ahead of maintenance. The idea being that a decision time saves nine, so long-term savings, but it can still be expensive to get ahead of it. We're looking at schools, at roads, at recreation, sort of fix it first philosophy, address safety issues, keep it in a state of good repair. Upgrades are nice to have, but really focus on keeping things taking the long. The big news that's different this year from previous years is the outside benefit of ARPA, Federal Funds, which we'll be discussing more later. But if we can turn to the next slide. This year, so page 10, thank you. This year, we're using ARPA to cover parts of the cost of our recreation and also of part of the cost of school and town HVAC. In order to make it all fit, we had in the process of doing all of our reviews, we were also prioritizing doing some rankings of the different requests and that allowed us to efficiently make reductions and some cases cutting and some cases reducing and some cases pushing items further out in the plan. These were all done in coordination with the 10 man your office and through them with the department. So there were, so it was a dynamic process, a lot of back and forth. Some of the main things that we had to economize on, there was a cost of your quest for a review of the poets corner field. And the current plan is for that to be funded outside the plan. We're looking to the Belmont Hill School, the private school over in Belmont that proposes to be a major user of the field to cover the vast majority of this cost. There were other recreation projects that were pushed out, some of which may receive artificial funds. In the library sphere, there were requests to do a full redo of the Fox library and the substantial renovations of Robbins. These are costly projects. They're hard to fit into the plan. Certainly can't do two at the same time. At present, we have pushed the Fox to be sort of on deck, just past the five-year plan. And Robbins is on indefinite hold. As part of this though, we decided that it was important for us to, rather than just have the prospect of not having a clear answer for libraries to do a study on large projects. And when we believe that, given our current burden, we'll be able to afford the next large one, which basically involves a building. DPW, so apart from the DPW site, the DPW ask is around roads, sidewalks, a lot of vehicles and so forth. Particularly where it came to roads and sidewalks, we couldn't quite cover their initial ask. We did dedicate ourselves to at least raising the amount from last year. So we have a slight increase year over year. We are not yet hitting the $2 million target that we accept for annual expenditure on roads. And we can come back to that in a little bit about why that's a target. There were some requests for new programs around school maintenance that had to be sharply scaled back. And some that didn't, at least in my capital were turned down, such as window washing or painting. So there's sort of our summary. I'd like to pause here for any questions that I can answer. I see some hands. Charlie, you wanna call on people? Alan Jones. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Tim, where I was wondering, could you elaborate a little bit on the Belmont Hills School involvement and poets corner? You know, what, what do they get out of it? What do we get out of it? What's the ongoing obligation? Sandy, do you have a little bit more on that? Please. First, I would say it's all still in discussions on nothing has been decided yet. Second, I would say that Belmont Hill has indicated an interest in paying for renovating the field, maybe even putting in a turf field with our guaranteeing them access to that field during certain times of the day when their students could use the field and at other times of the days and weekends when Arlington residents could use it. None of that has been put down as anything as a final decision. So that's about as much detail as I can tell you at this point, but generally that is the idea. Okay, has anything like that been done with any other facility in town? Not that I'm aware. No. Okay, I'm just trying to think of what problems might arise. Thank you. John Ellis, John did you have your hand up? I did that, but I took it down because of Alan's question. I guess the followup would be there's that parking lot which I think is owned by the Catholic Church is that part of this discussion or is that outside the scope? I am not sure if any of the church land is part of the discussion. I would say from my understanding that all of, not all of that parking lot is part of the new park plan, but there may be certain parts that are adjacent that maybe, but frankly, I have not personally been involved in this discussion. So I do not know the answer. Okay. Thanks. Micaiah? I apologize for my computer fan. It's been working too hard today. I wanted to know a little bit about your measurements, like how you prioritize your projects. I know it's probably a broad question, but like what are your priority measurements and in particular, I'm thinking about like when it comes to like DPW replacement of vehicles. Yeah, I'm sure that safe building safety is part of it, but like how do you prioritize the projects? Yeah, there are a number of things going on there. We, it's a combination of our own priorities and priorities from the department. So we ask them to tell us what they need most, which is great at helping to order within their asks. It's a little harder at ordering across asks. In addition to that, we ask them to sort of check off a couple of different boxes in terms of what is the benefit of this capital expenditures as is it safety, is it required by law, is it extended the life of the useful, useful life of the item, et cetera. And then it's really also based on our hearing of the request, the explanation, justification that the department heads through our subcommittee reports are conveying to us. There is probably some level of subjectiveness to that, but that's, you know, we're trying to use our best judgment as the town's capital experts. Thank you, Timor. Shailene Crawford, please. Yes, hi. It's a similar question to the earlier ones about Poets Corner. Could you just quickly recap what you said about how it's funded outside the plan? And then also, I'm just wondering if the, I think it's Arlington Youth Baseball, you know, our local little league. If you've let people there know that that field will be out of use, because I think that's primarily a baseball field, right? I'm just wondering how it'll impact the town's youth athletics. Okay, so outside of plan is really what we're looking at is that Delmont Hill was proposing to pay for most of the costs. And we didn't have a, as Sandy indicated, if not in any case, you know, reach the final decision here. So we don't have a number for how much would be left for the plan to pick up. The original number that we were looking at from the rec department for this entire redo was quite daunting. It was $3.2 million, which is quite hard to fit into the capital plan as a recreation project. We, you know, we're looking at that number coming down by, you know, to something in only the six figures with Delmont Hill picking in their portion. And again, we're still not there yet. So we don't have anything to announce to town, the league or the like. I actually have a follow-up question. Does this, I know that field's not that close to our high school, but does Arlington Catholic or Arlington High School use that field? I couldn't say, I don't know. Okay, thank you. The field is actually in fairly bad shape. Yes, need a lot of work. Thank you, Sharon. Sophie, you had your hand up before. You're on mute. Thank you. But quickly on the poet's yield, I didn't receive a notice. I think that it was out of use for a little late because my kids are in it. So I think they must remember saying something about that is last season at some point. My questions are related to DPW. The first question is, do you take into consideration disability, the community needing access to sidewalks and such when you consider these projects and not funding repairs fully? Do you see them? Yeah, there are, if you look at our attachments, there is a breakout. There's not just a single line item for roads and sidewalks. There are, I think, three for roads and four for sidewalks. And there are some of them that are dedicated for things like accessibility and so forth. And those are, we protect those fiercely. OK, thank you. And for traffic improvements, I was just looking at line items. Do you proactively anticipate just as citizens who drive around town where you see there could be improvements that maybe no department has specifically pointed out that just by regular use, you anticipate knowing? I think I missed the first part of what you were asking. Can you say it again, please? Do you, right? How much do you anticipate on your own as a committee versus depending on the projects coming to you just from your own experience in town? Well, I mean, as for example, I drive my kids to school every day and so I experience the roads as you all are residents. And and I can see myself sometimes. Yeah, this road needs some work. And so, yeah, I mean, I don't think I really go around scouting out town buildings and saying that I need to move. If I would prefer to be a silly department on that. I don't know what's happening in terms of a new boiler. But we all know we're all residents here and probably in addition to this being residents, we have sort of probably have our capital eyeglasses on as well as we go about our lives. OK, so even though no department may point out, for example, NAPSAV and and Jason Street, just random one, you would is that does that come up in your discussions of funding something that hasn't been put forth? So massive and which street? Sorry. I'm just speaking in my own neighborhood. So massive and sort of Jason and no street. OK, yeah. So I mean, we haven't heard any of the requests for, you know, upgrades, intersections, that kind of thing. If that's part of the capital plan of the of the DPW could be maintaining the roads, changing if they need to fix traffic lights or what have you, or perhaps a free traffic like there has been a request to install a turn signal, a left turn signal at an intersection that goes through a evaluation process that would eventually come to us in terms of being paid for. But I mean, that's again, we. Unless we were to submit a request about, you know, changing intersection through the usual channel, the wouldn't we wouldn't have a dedicated line to DPW that way. More like the people would be coming to us and saying, we need money for this general set of things, including. And then they probably wouldn't tell us that to the intersection, but that would probably be on the underlying list. Thank you, Brian. Beck, you have your hand up or is it down now? Yeah, it was a question about the DPW and the reduced funding in general. I think Tim Timur just answered the question. OK, thank you. Any other questions for Timur at this point? OK, Timur, I'd suggest you just charge ahead here. But I would like that there may be a there may be a wetland issue at Poets Corner, which probably somebody should look into. Thanks for the tip. Yeah, I didn't want to take up too much time with the question, but I wanted to pause there at that point, because it was sort of the summary slide. Now, to turn it over to Sandy Poehler, deputy manager to look at the capital plan achievements and to put it into context. So there are some projects that on the left recently realize benefits from the capital plan. These are things that have been accomplished in this last year. I was going to rattle off a number of names of roadways and sidewalks that were repaid. However, DPW is still putting that up on their website. I talked to Mike Rademacher about that. So I'm going to skip over the first two things. I will go straight to the reservoir, as many of you know, there's been a substantial project being done there is still somewhat ongoing, but we have a major renovation of the reservoir. We put in a new facility for filtering the water and coordinating it and cleaning it and so forth. And that part is done. And if you go over there, you will see for the summer that a lot of the pathways and playgrounds and so forth will be open to the public. So we are looking forward to that. The Parmenter School underwent significant renovations so that it could house the Monotomy Preschool that had to move out of the high school because of that. That construction project that is now done and kids are in that school. Lake Street signals used to the signals on the bike path on Lake Street just near the Hardy School. I have ridden my bike and used the crosswalk there many times. Those signals work well to coordinate the lights along the streets to facilitate smooth traffic flow and also make it easy for people using the bike path at a cross. We did replace all the sidewalks in the center of town. I got rid of the bricks, got rid of a lot of tripping hazards. Whittemore Park, you probably noticed that that has been remodeled. There are new pathways, there are new benches. Some of the old dead and dying trees were taken out and new trees were put in. The police have replaced their radio system. So they have five new antennas up. They have gotten rid of the dead spots that they used to have in some parts of town. They are very happy with their new system. Town Hall, the steps and the plaza in front along Mass Ave have been replaced to smooth them out. There's also now a system underneath the plaza that can be heated to take snow off there and reduce generally some of the tripping hazards that have been in front of town hall. And we've undertaken a school engineering study to look at the HVAC systems in many of the schools and looking at the possibility of electrifying some of those heating systems going forward. And we look forward to recommendations from the facilities department in coming years for those projects. Various capital projects are in process. As I say, usually there is a link up on the DPW website that lists these things. I think they will have them up soon. So I'm sorry, I can't rattle them off to you. The Community Center, which is the old central school behind Town Hall is due to be open this month. I know we're having a little informal event over there on Wednesday just to look around it. And I've been through much of it. It looks like a beautiful new site for the Senior Center for the Health and Human Services Department. We've moved the veterans agent over there. Upstairs, there are still tenants, but there are also a lot of new meeting spaces that will be available for the public to use. DPW building, you'll see some pictures of that in a little bit. That is really gotten underway. They started doing the drillings that they need to do to lay the foundations. In the meantime, there has been a substantial amount of work done on the old existing buildings that are going to be used to house IT and facilities and the inspections department. And that work has been moving along at pace. The Mr. Street Bridge is one of those crazy projects that keeps going and going and going. We have been dealing with ever source and trying to get them to move some major lines that go through there. But we do think that sometimes this spring that will be able to move forward. We are on the verge of adopting the new water and sewer financial software for billing for our water and sewer rates to our customers and link it with the new upgrades in meters and meter reading equipment that we have and getting rid of the old system that is about 30 years old that was written in-house and that work is basically held together with bubblegum and rubber bands. So we are very much looking forward to that happening and that is expected really to launch with some new bills coming out for April. And then I just mentioned the high school even though it didn't really go through our committee. It is probably the largest project that we have in the town now. The new building, the first esteem wing opened up about a week ago. Students are in their classrooms there. I was in there the other day just looking around and looking at a lot of students who were giggling and pointing and laughing and saying to teachers, this looks great. So that project is moving forward. I do just want to mention we have an excellent, excellent team there. Our owner's project manager, Skanska. And in particular, I'd like to call out the work that can safely the firm that is building the building has done to manage it, keep it on time and keep it under budget. I think we really got a great contractor when we got consigliate. So I just wanted to give them a little shout out. That's basically some of the major projects that and their status these days. So I've gone from talking about things to talking about money. I want to go through a two phase process to talk about how much money we have to spend on the capital plan. The top row, you see the town budget. Each year we put the town capital plan together based on the town budget as it is in place in December. This year, I slightly changed those numbers to increase them by the amount of debt that we issued in February. So they're not exactly the December numbers. There are the December numbers tweaked a little bit. We would we've then over the years adjusted this for the amount of and brought it down by the amount of the general fund that was spent on water and sewer rates. And and as a subsidy, I just showed it again this year to show that is now completely gone. We then further adjusted by taking out all the exempt debt service. And now, in other words, the debt service for bonds that we have sold where voters have voted a debt exclusion, in other words, an increase to their property taxes that goes exclusively to pay off those bonds. And finally, we reduced this for adjustments for enterprise funds, mostly the subsidies or the charges that we make to the water and sewer department and certain other funds like CDBG to pay for some of the work that is done by town departments. We do all these subtractions because we're trying to get a number of which we can take five percent. And we don't want to try to spend five percent of things like exempt debt service because all that 12 million dollars, for example, in 2023 has to go to pay exempt debt service. We can't take five percent of it toward capital. We can't take five percent of the three point two million dollars that we charge the water and sewer fund or CDBG for general fund purposes. So then we get down to this number of the adjusted town budget, 182 million in FY 23, going all the way up to 215 million in FY 27. Next slide, please. I'm going to just note that at the bottom of its bottom section, the pro forma budget that 182 million that I referred to before is the same number that you saw from the previous slide. So just keep that in mind. I'm going to come back to it in a second. At the top of the slide, what we do is we look at all the things that we're spending on the capital plan. So the very top level is our prior non exempt debt service. In other words, the part of capital that we're spending out of the general fund in order to get to our five percent rule. We don't include up here the amount that is in the exempt debt because that is kind of outside of the capital plan. It's outside of that five percent limit. It's over and above. So our non exempt debt services up there. Then there's cash, just what we pay in any one year of cash for capital projects. We know that in the future, in the capital plan, we are going to sell more debt. And so in this next line, we mark out the amount of debt service that we will have to pay in other words, the interest and principle on the debt that we will sell in FY23 and have to start paying in FY24 or that we sell in FY24 and have to pay in FY25 along with the debt service that we for what we sold in 23 and paid in 24 and then have to pay more in 25 and so forth and so on. That's why it keeps going up. And then finally, we have one line where there are instances where instead of selling long term debt, we sell a short term ban of bond anticipation note where we borrow money and just pay back interest. There's no principle in this line. And there are a couple of projects that we'll talk about later, but we think we might be in. That all comes to about ten million dollars, ten and a half million dollars rising to eleven point six million dollars in FY 27. That's everything that we're spending in the capital plan. There are sources that we use other than the general fund to reduce our total general fund usage. So we take money, for example, from the ambulance revolving fund where we pay for things that are directly related to buying ambulances or equipment for ambulances. The antenna fund we use mostly for debt service for things related to parks and recreation projects for which we borrowed. If we have sold an asset of land specifically, we can use that. There's a total of nine hundred and forty six dollars this year that we're using in the capital plan for that. Capital carry forward for things we've always seen the first year of the plan where that's money that it came from previous authorizations by town meeting for projects that have been finished. There's money left over. It's been unspent. So we essentially recycle that money into the capital plan. We have charged the parking benefits district for one item this year that you see that there. Down below, there are some capital projects that are directly related to the recreation enterprise fund into the ring enterprise fund, and we charge each of those funds what we think as a share that they can afford to pay for their capital. And then the same thing with the urban renewal fund that is under the Arlington redevelopment board. For some of the capital projects that relate to the buildings that they can control. So those reduce general fund usage also within that ten million dollars up at the top. There is five hundred and twelve thousand dollars that came from the F Y two thousand or the two thousand and eleven override that was specifically earmarked for road reconstruction across town. That amount started out and at a particular number and has increased by two and a half percent per year. The next one down is accessibility improvements, which again, we're part of the override in 2019. That standard started at two hundred thousand dollars, also increased to two and a half percent. So again, it's part of the number that we have at the top of the page. But since it's over and above the five percent spending, because it was part of those overrides, we don't count it until we subtract it out of the toll. And then in the last couple of years, we have started looking at all of the rent we take in from town owned properties that just goes into the general fund. And for some of the capital projects at those town owned properties, we're basically charging the general fund a small amount reflects some debt service to offset the cost of that debt service. So it doesn't hit the five percent of the general fund. It just hits the general fund a little bit generally, thirteen thousand dollars. So we then get to a bottom line for F Y twenty three of nine million ninety eight thousand thirty three dollars. Below that three lines down, you see the budget plan at five percent. So five percent of that one hundred and eighty two million dollars is nine point one million dollars. So for F Y twenty three, we are actually have a little bit of a surplus. In other words, we have seven thousand eight hundred and thirty five dollars that is the difference between what we're spending, actually spending, which is the nine million and eight and what we could spend if we spent the full five percent. So we're that we're within our five percent for F Y twenty three for twenty four, twenty five. We are slightly out of whack in twenty six. But that's four years away, so we're not going to worry about that right now. For twenty seven, we're right at five percent. And importantly for us as a committee, we work very hard to make sure that over the full five year course of the plan, we are at or below five percent spending. And in this case, we're just slightly below that five percent limit by seven hundred and sixty nine dollars. So this plan is in conformity with the five percent rule. I'd be happy to answer any questions that people have about the numbers at this point. Alan Jones, thank you, Mr. Chair. The two commitments that were made with the overrides for roadway reconstruction and accessibility improvements, is there any sunset on those or did they go on forever? Those were permanent overrides, not that exclusion override. So those go on forever. Since they're excluded from the capital plan, would it make sense to just fold those into the DPW budget or something? It just seems kind of messy to leave them here forever. Well, the problem with putting that money into the DPW is that the general that the town budget has its own spending limits. And so then adding money that. You then have to adjust the town spending limits, which is traditionally been three and a quarter percent per year. So and I think because these are really capital projects, it does make sense to show them here. You don't think it upsets the plan. And so far, we've been able to keep track of it. OK, somehow it just seems unclean, but anyway, thank you. Any other questions for. The deputy town manager and finance director on these numbers. OK, thank you, Sandy. Thank you. OK, so back to me. Thank you, Sandy. So we wanted to just talk a little bit about in addition to our usual funds, there are a few sources that we refer to as other. And we wanted to give you extra information about ARPA, which I will cover and CPA, which Kate Mary will cover. So the Federal American Rescue Plan Act was passed one year ago this week. It provided vast amounts of money nationwide, including at the state and useful, useful levels. Our income received over 30 million dollars. And there are many eligible uses that are considered covid related. For the capital plan, we are seeing funds for investments in parks and open spaces, spaces where people can enjoy life and exercise and hopefully in a non-covid community environment and for HVAC upgrades to make our town buildings, including school buildings safer for people who need to use them. There's about four million dollars for recreation purposes and two point two million dollars for HVAC. The capital plan in terms of what we were looking at covering in our five year plan benefits from three million of that. No, I wanted to also just highlight, though, that so these three million dollars we're talking about here, these do not affect the FY 23 capital budget. They're going to be taking place in the out years or in actually in the case of some of the playground repair that you'll see in the footnote at the bottom. There are a few urgent repairs being done at Bishop Pearson Stratton. Those are in fiscal twenty two. So right now, which again is not part of our fiscal twenty three through twenty seven capital plan. One thing that you'll perhaps notice in our deck is that sometimes the the words and numbers are gray. And what that is a sort of the convention we have here when the spending is in the out years as opposed to the current or three the upcoming fiscal year, twenty three, it's gray. If it's for twenty three, it's black just to have a pop out more. Mr. Tosti, there is no such thing as the Dow and library can you back up one more more need to get back. So it's the. This is the former library. That is what is now the ACMI. Is that the building I'm thinking about, Sadie? Yes, that's correct. If that's the case, I just think you should rename it. It should be the ACMI building or or something. But like I said, there is no Dow and library. OK, thank you. I don't want to be confusing. So we'll make an adjustment. Thank you. OK, like now pass it over to Kate Leary. Talk about community integration act funding. Sure. So yeah, perfect. Thank you. So we have sort of an understanding with the capital, with the Community Preservation Act Committee, that capital funds school playgrounds and that if they can, the the CPA budget will fund town playgrounds and field fields. If they're not able to do that, then they will send it back to us and we'll see if we can fund it. ARPA has also come into play, as Timor mentioned this year. So this year, CPAC has approved funding for Robbins Farm Park, Herdfield, the Second Phase and Jarvis House, which I think you'll hear about in the town building section. So one thing we had a very productive conversation with some members of the CPAC and the CPA Committee, the Park and Rec Commission, the Recreation Director and town employees about their committee moving towards a five year planning process, which would better match the process that that we all go through, because typically like those requests appear in capital. But we know like and we hope that they're not going to have to be funded by capital, but we don't actually know until February. And we still won't know for sure, but they've added they've begun gathering more information in their application about future projects from town entities, especially. And you will hear more about that, of course, when they present to you. But something to know about this year, you know, they're always trying to keep a mix in their spending of what of what projects they're they're spending on in the approved categories. And in FY 23, rec projects are actually about half of their spending. That's typical. That's not typical. And we can't really expect that every year. It's partly because there were not. Housing Corporation of Arlington applications this year, so they were able to fund more rec projects. But certainly, that's something we'll be keeping an eye on. OK, could you go to the next slide? Thank you. So my role as the as the liaison here is really to kind of talk to them about, you know, which of the projects that might have been in capital, they will be picking up. So this year, those are the Herdfield Project, Robins Farm and Jarvis House, and you will get a lot more detail from them about all of these projects. OK, I'll take it back now. Thank you, Kate. So having discussed sources, now we turn to uses. And this summarizes all the items that we're buying in FY 23, what they will cost the town out of pocket. We wanted to use this to frame the subsequent discussion in detail by department. This is not, by any means, the same as the gross or net tax burden because this is out of pocket. We, of course, finance some purchases. So everything that's on this page is under bond. We will be paying debt service on for years to come in the future. And conversely, this year, we are paying debt service on items that we bonded in prior years. Nevertheless, you can see here and this will help frame, you know, how much we're getting relative amounts for different purposes. And of course, a leading off will be public works. So over to Mr. Poole again to talk about our largest piece of the capital budget, public works. Well, as you can see, there's not much going up yet, but there are things going into the ground right now. And these are these big drills that are helping to lay whatever the foundation parts are that I am not an engineer, so I can't tell you. But we took this just the other day because they are starting to do that drilling work. This is a large project. It's a forty six and a half million dollar project. The big part of this project was moving I.T. out of the high school and relocating it over to the old DPW buildings. That has been done and we have successfully transferred all our technology out of the high school so it were to its new permanent location. The staff has not moved in yet because the offices aren't ready yet. But the rooms under air conditioning and climate control for the servers and routers and just that and the other thing are all set up. We do expect to see steel starting going up or foundations going in and then steel started going up later this spring. So we're very much looking forward to that project moving forward over the next year and a half. Next slide, please. Sandy, before you go on to the next slide, I have a question on channeling for for Dean Karman here. Somewhat related to the DPW project, but also somewhat tangential, which is he asks about what's going on with regard to the search for alternatives to replace the loss of the Pierce practice field as a result of the DPW project. And in particular, he he provided us with a copy of a from his apparently extensive archives of town documents, a memo from town manager back in 2018 to the high school building committee talking about the search for alternatives to the Pierce practice field. And one of the options that Adam mentioned was looking into the use of the town on parcel on Ryder Street. And so Dean is asking what has has there been any progress in terms of looking at that as a potential new site for the Pierce practice field? So between the time that town manager Chaplain wrote that memo and today several things have happened. One, at the high school, the design of the play fields out there have created that there will be two new playing fields on artificial turf that will allow I guess I call rectangular sports to happen, sports like soccer and lacrosse. Those spaces did not exist in the in the existing high school, an existing space. The existing space, we just had the stadium, which is the Pierce Stadium, and then that practice field, which is right behind the stop and shop. So I think the first thing that's changed since Adam wrote that memo was that once the high school project is finished, we will now have two nice turf fields that will be available both to the high school and to the public. Second, the other thing that has happened since Adam wrote that memo is that the DPW project had to take over the Ryder Street property as a an alternative site for some of its equipment and some of its staff. So the Ryder Street site is currently being used by DPW now and will continue to be used through the DPW construction project. The other thing that is continuing to happen, as you've heard mentioned before, is that the Poets Corner project is continued to be under discussion. I think at the time that Adam wrote that memo, there was a different entity that was interested in in partnering with the town. But now Belmont Health School is and so I think at the end of the day, if that project is able to be done, that will also be additional playing space for different teams. As for Ryder Street, because it's being used by DPW now, we do not have plans yet for what's going to happen to it next. That is an important discussion that will have to happen with the town manager and select board and probably others about what we do with Ryder Street, what the best use for that is and whether given the changes in the fields that I've just talked about, it would be needed for the kind of fields that Dean is asking for or whether, in fact, there's some other better use for it, none of which has been decided today. So that is the status. And those are some of the changes that have happened over the last three years since the memo was written for you, Elaine. Thank you, Nanny. Thank you, Charlie. I just also channeling Dean and knowing that he coached soccer as I did. Younger children can't play on turf the the way that older kids can. So I'm sure that the extra turf fields that are it's great to hear those are going in around the high school. Those are not going to help the town soccer club. And I don't know who else use the Pierce practice fields, but those were grass. I used to coach on those and you you can't put little kids on turf the way you can put them on grass. I'm just flagging that as a possible like this. These are the kinds of issues that the average citizen doesn't pay attention to until it's kind of done. And I know that I would have been horrified to find out I had to put like first and second graders on to turf. The cleats that the parents buy for them aren't for turf. So I just want to register that as a concern. If we're losing the Pierce practice field, which was a nice grass field behind the stop and shop, the town really should give some serious consideration to to finding a new replacement for that. And that and that turf fields are not a replacement for grass fields. That's all. Thank you. Thank you, Shailene. Thank you. Sandy, can you state? Is the. Area of the field playing space increased with the addition of those two fields or is it not? The usability of those spaces has increased because in the prior fields, they did not have space for soccer fields or lacrosse fields on the previous softball field or baseball field that was was there. So now because there'll be turf fields, you can play softball and baseball as well as as I say, rectangular sports. OK, it's not an increase, not an increase in area. It's not an increase in the land, but it is increased in the usable space because in the past, a soccer team couldn't go out on the softball field or baseball field and play, but they will be able to. But if the field was fully used, you couldn't you can't increase its use either. I'm just but let's not I'm just asking a question. That's all. Sure. Any other questions on that subject? Good, charge ahead. Charging ahead. So we have a lot of. Town roads, ninety six point five miles of roads. And periodically, the Department of Public Works contracts with an outside contractor to do an assessment of those roads and which is called a pavement index. And our last index came in at a seventy nine, which is seventy nine out of a hundred, which means that our roads in general are in fair condition. So there are some roads that are in great condition, some roads that are lousy condition. Overall, on average, our roads hit a seventy nine. It has been suggested to us from the company that does these reports that in order to maintain ourselves at that seventy nine, we would need to spend, on average, about two million dollars a year. The proposed capital plan averages about one point seven four million dollars a year. Slightly more than what we were spending last year, but it's still not hitting that two million dollars that we would like to get to. And we've had many discussions within the Capital Planning Committee about how to get to that larger number. I think we're committed to trying to get to that number. And but we know that we need over time to ratchet up the amount that we're spending on on those items. I will say there is some short term hope in that in that the governor has proposed increasing our chapter 90 money, which goes toward road reconstruction by about 50 percent this year. It usually crossed the state. There's a two hundred million dollar chapter 90 bond bill and he's proposed a three hundred million dollar bond bill. So we're hoping to get some money at least this year. But again, over the long run, I think we are committed to spending more on our roads than we're currently spending. And. Sidewalks and curbs continue to be an ongoing issue. It's one of the most frequently complained about issues to the DPW from the public. It was increasing the spending on those sidewalk and curbs through the last override and enhancing accessibility that was part of that override campaign. We've funded on average is about eight hundred eleven thousand dollars a year. And again, I think it is our feeling that over time that needs to go up. So at this point, we're just flagging that as an issue and letting you know that in the future, we are committed to try to spend more in that area in both of those areas. Next slide, please. This is just a recap of how we are spending money in DPW and FY twenty three. You can see there is very general purchases. And then there's a whole category on vehicles or vehicle parts. And we have that same split out into the future. So. You've got just a general sense of of how money is being spent both in DPW, they all the items above the second line from the bottom are general fund expenditures and then the water and sewer fund expenditures are down at the bottom. Next slide, please. And has every Kate Lucian. Hi Kate Lucian and I also sit on the Arlington High School Building Committee along with Sandy and others. So a couple of slides knowing this is an exempt project we just thought we'd give a quick update as was mentioned earlier, the steam wing opened last week and the performing arts wing will open in April. And it's very exciting to see that first phase come to fruition. We've already begun in preparation for demolition in phase two, which will include the humanities, the central spine finishing the cafeteria, library, preschool and district office wings, and that will open up in September of twenty twenty three. The final building part of the project is an athletics wing that opens in August of twenty twenty four. And then there's lots of fields and site work to follow after the construction finishes. I want to echo what Sandy said. Consigli has been really a tremendous asset on this project that has taken place in an extraordinarily difficult time. Of course, while I'm talking my cat gets on here, I apologize. Can I have the next slide? Few other pictures actually before completion. It's even nicer to know that these things are now open for business, but sort of progress on site and really moving along. Next slide, please. I'm also speaking to the other major renovations that we're proposing for Arlington Public Schools. And again, I'll point out, as Timor did earlier, that if it's a black print, it is in this current fiscal year, FY twenty three, and anything in gray is out beyond FY twenty three to the out years of twenty four through twenty seven. So at the Hardy School, we'll be funding a roof replacement and then some HVAC upgrades in the out years of FY twenty six are funded as noted earlier and then envelope repairs coming in the future at that building as well at the Bishop School in out years, we'll be doing roof replacements, also some HVAC and envelope repairs and then the bracket playground renovation, some immediate repairs in the coming fiscal year and then a larger project in FY twenty five. As I'll ask for the next slide, one project that has been completed is the Hardy playground. And it's really here again, wonderful to see some of that work come to fruition and in use. These are images of that playground. That's my quick summary for schools and I'm turning it over. Thank you. Good evening, I'm Michael Mason. And I'll be touching, talking about the what's in the plan for the fire department. The plan for the fire department includes facilities and non-facilities related requests. And this slide here touches upon some of the non-facilities related requests for the fire department that's included in the plan. And so, you know, for each year, the first one is the feature of the fire department requests funding for protective gear for firefighters. And this protective gear includes pants, coats, gloves, boots, the helmets and the funding usually covers about 10 sets of gear that has expectancy of life expectancy of about 10 years, which is according to the National Fire Protection Association Standards. In the out years, which you'll see once again in gray, is that we anticipate that these costs will increase in the out years. And so the out years budget items will be increased by five thousand dollars for thirty thousand dollars going forward. Also included is a request for a new fire engine, which the department anticipates to cost six hundred seventy five thousand, which is substantially higher than what was previously requested due to inflation of costs. The current the current plan, you know, has fire engines being replaced about every 20 years. The fire departments will replace, does replace one every five years. So there are five, there are four engines and the engine that's going to be retired will be one that was purchased in 2001. It is the Pierce engine. Another request is which is the air supply vehicle replacement, which is really the consolidation of two vehicles, is two vehicles that did two functions. One was air supply and the other was lighting. This vehicle would cost about one hundred and thirty three thousand. I'm sorry, somebody. I'm not sure if I heard anything. Sorry. This vehicle would cost about one hundred and thirty three thousand, which would function as the air supply and lighting vehicle. And both vehicles are currently well past the the use of the use of useful life and in desperate need of repair. The other is a critical update to a communication system and is also has an infrastructure upgrading, which is tied to a system called Zetron. That system is integral for emergency response where it connects dispatch to the fire department. And so, for example, when there are late night calls and the fire fighters may be resting, these systems would alert firefighters, turn on the lights, we'll get them going to be responsive. The current system uses outdated wires that had redundancy that's now past that point of where there there is limited redundancy, where if it does go down, there may be issues with responsiveness. There's also a request for a jaws of life. I see that there's a question. I'm not sure if I should wait until I just wait till you finish. All right. There's also the jaws of life equipment to that's cost fifty thousand dollars, which have about ten year replacement cycle is beyond as ten years. Useful life. They're also looking into making this an electric jaws of life. The current equipment, you know, runs off hydraulic fluids and diesel fuel and currently leaks, it's not a clean system. And so this would also go towards the town's electrification goals. And there are various vehicle replacements that include ambulances and other department vehicles that cost over one million dollars. I can answer the question now or go to the next slide. Well, can you wait, Sophie, until Michael's finished with his presentation? Are you finished, Michael? No, no, I mean, the next couple slides, I won't go too much into detail, but the the facilities department did walk throughs. That was the the facilities director at the time, the superintendent of buildings and in the fire chief did walk throughs at the locations. And the following slide just touches a base on which what the facilities department recommended just so that the Fincom would finance committee understands that Park Circle was renovated in 2007 and all the equipment that is on in this plan is was installed in 2007 and has passed its Useful Life as well. Central Station, the exterior, the masonry was done in 2014. There are current leaks in the building. The masonry work was supposed to last eight to ten years. So this would be in line when they're putting in that they're scheduling these funds. And this is why facilities felt comfortable recommending. And then if you go to the next slide, it will touch based upon the Highland Station facility repairs or projects, which the Highland Station was a renovation that was completed in 2011 and this equipment was installed. And so in fiscal twenty seven, it would be past this Useful Life as well, which would be the two boys in a hot water tank. And then last but not least, the headquarters that was renovated in 2015. These these were also recommended by the facilities department as it would be meeting its useful life period at that point in fiscal twenty seven. Now that concludes my my portion of the fire department. Thank you, Michael Sophie. Yes, thank you. Sorry about I'm new to all this. I just want to make sure I got noticed. I think it was on your first slide on protective gear. I'm just curious, going back to the fire department's budget, they have a wide item in there for expenses, right? On uniforms and gloves and badges and all that. So so they don't cover any of their protective gear in their budget and you guys could or how does that work? Am I understanding that the that the protective gear is has been funded historically from the capital funding budget? And, you know, the equipment costs about twenty four hundred per uniform or per firefighter. I couldn't speak to anything about on the operational side at the moment. And as far as I know, they also have line items for repairs and maintenance on their vehicles and anything like that. Is there a distinction between what you guys covered, what their budget covers? So their vehicle replacement program covers just the replacement of vehicles, not the repairs. So that that would be this distinct distinguished in fact, in between what you're seeing in the operational side versus what's in this plan. OK. Thank you. No problem, Jonathan. Yeah. Hi, Michael. It's John Wallach. I just have a question from Dean Carmen, who couldn't be here tonight, which is he asked whether there are any capital requests by the fire chief that were considered and rejected, in other words, not included in the capital budget or or a five year plan. No, there was no request that was rejected from the fire department. If anything, there were requests that we actually push forward because we deemed it as critical according to the explanation that was provided in our meetings. The, for example, the Zetron upgrade was actually scheduled for fiscal 24. But based on the understanding of that particular request, it seemed that that was essential to their operation. And we suggested to move that forward. Thank you. Shailene. Yes, thank you. As far as the response, communication system and infrastructure, I'm wondering if there's any overlap with the police department on that and and then similar to Sophie's question. If you can comment on how that breaks down between the department budgets and this budget. Yeah, does it overlap with police? And then at what point does the capital budget take over because the police and fire departments are not covering it? So my understanding that this is a one time cost. This is this is to make sure that this that they have a system in place for communication between the systems. This is not tied to an operational cost. Most of the most of the infrastructure that was required is has already been installed, which means that's the fiber optics. Otherwise, you know, if they would elect this system or not do the upgrade down the road, they would have to do some serious work, which would include possible going in and putting conduit down for additional wiring for the current system. And so that's the difference. This is not like an operational portion. This is indeed capital in that regard. So this is an upgrade. And then and does that help out the police department at all? Or or is it separate from the police? So in the context of this system, I did not get that information in the sense of will the police department be leveraging this the system, but that can be something that we could look into and report back to the committee if needed, if you would like that. OK, thank you. Thank you, Michael, Timor. Yes, next slide, please. Thank you, Michael. Sorry. Yeah, here we go. Now to address the police. So one, we have an annual appropriation of one hundred and forty thousand dollars for vehicle replacement, typically three vehicles per year. It's two marked cars and one either unmarked car or motorcycle. And that is ongoing. We will be sending that again in fiscal twenty three. Well, to there's a need for a replacement boiler in the police station. It was not replaced during the police station renovation. And it is not the current boiler is not quite adequate to fully heat the station. And so this is another example of one that we actually pulled forward in the plan because we thought we would rather not see them have freezing pipes. So in terms of that the cost of such an event could could compound matters. Well, three, we have they have digital fingerprint machines. This is thirty five thousand dollars in total that covers two units, one of which is in the booking area, one of which is in the administrative office. And this is a significant and so they currently have one, which is that you can get to end up with useful life. It's also significant use proven usefulness when they have that in two locations. If the if there's a booking taking place, then then they can't use the one that is the single one that they have right now currently in the booking area for anything other than booking because it's it's a secure area. And so you can't have somebody come in who needs a fingerprinting done to be using the digital machine that do it the old fashioned way with ink pads and mailing it in, which sometimes the impression isn't very good. And that we lost lots of time because you find out a few days later that no have to do it again. So it's really able to handle it in both locations and in the police station. The fourth bullet, no pun intended is the bulletproof best program. This is $20,000 per year for this that covers 14 officers per year. So they're about $1,600 each. And these have a useful life of five years. So at 14 officers per year, we are covering all 70 officers over the five year cycle. That is it for 23. In the out years, we have a cooling tower that needs replacement next year. And the specialty vehicle in fiscal 27. And I want to address Mr. comments question. I'm guessing that that's what John's going to ask about. Am I correct? Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Please do so. Okay. So yes. Mr. There were no capital requests by the police chiefs that were considered and rejected. So teamwork. Do you have another slide on the police department? Or is this it? This is it for the police. Happy to take questions from Mr. Tosti or Ms. Sophie, do you want to go with your question? Or so I'm just double checking. Because I know the equipment budget. I would have expected the digital fingerprint machines to be part of the equipment. The police. So we're confirming that they're not in there, right? I don't know your budget, but I, but this is a large expense and it's a long lasting item. So it's appropriate for it to be capitalized. So that's it. Thank you. I'll Tosti. I don't know if you've noticed, but our police officers on patrol required to wear the bulletproof vest. Yes. It took a while, but this is a. It's actually all officers and. Sorry. The patrolmen and ranking officers are all required to in their. Most recent union. Negotiation outcomes. Okay. Thank you. Go ahead, Timor. That covers it for police. I'd like to pass it over again to Kate leary. Talk about recreation. Thank you. So the total requests that are actually being funded by capital were $135,000 this year. Those are for ongoing programs. One program was a new program and FY 22 playground. Inspections and safety improvements. And I will talk a little bit more about this. History of that and why we're doing that. In a couple of minutes. But this was an increase last year. FY 22 was $25,000 a year. This year we've bumped it up to $75,000 a year. And I'll, I'll explain why. The ADA study implementation program, $50,000 a year is an ongoing program. And the feasibility study program. Typically they get $10,000 a year, but sort of save it and do a bigger feasibility study that looks about. That looks several years out. Can I have the next slide? Thank you. So the inspections mentioned in that first program. Revealed a lot of issues. And three of those playgrounds are town-owned playgrounds. Which are located right next to schools and are. Very much felt by the school communities to be. Communities to be essential to what they do with the kids at recess. So. A lot of equipment had to be removed from these three places. So that's one of the things that's missing. And then there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of stuff that's missing. Bishop Pearson stratton. This is a picture of stratton. You can see this, the swings are missing. And then there's a significant fenced off area. That's the situation recently. Arlington public schools did contribute to the cost of, you know, some immediate repairs. There are a lot of issues here. And it was determined that some of the, that it wasn't cost-effective to repair, but to redesign and build a new playground. So the, those are the F by 22 ARPA funded projects, three of them. That public input process is accelerated and underway right now. In fact, I think they've already had one meeting for all three of those. And there's another one in a few days. I will drop in a link if anyone's curious to kind of look at what's been presented and where they are in the process, I'll drop in a link to the wrecked apartment page. Announcement in the chat. When I finish. Can I have the next slide please. So a little bit more about that playground audit and safety improvements. Program. So there was a report done in November, March of 2019 that identified, it was a sort of an overarching view of a lot of the town owned playgrounds. It identified a lot of safety and, and maintenance concerns. So the wrecked department said, let's, let's start a program of doing regular inspections and repairing things. Based on those inspections. Originally they requested $25,000 a year for that. So they decided to start with 10 playgrounds. I think they started in August. And the inspections cost about $15,000, which would leave about $10,000 for the repairs. But they identified at about $80,000 worth of urgently needed repairs. So that's why we had, you know, we had a conversation about whether that $25,000 needed to be done. So Joe Connelly feels that $7,000, $5,000 a year going forward would be more appropriate. So right now they're kind of getting through a backlog of inspections. 10 was about what they felt they could handle dealing with last year. They're going to look at eight more playgrounds in the coming fiscal year, which will address the backlog. They're not looking at the very newest playgrounds. They're looking at the new playground annually. In kind of chunks. So. This is a CPA funded project that's in our current recommendations. Phase one designs underway, a bigger chunk of money was approved was part of CPA funding last year. That left $664,000 per phase two in FI 23. So that's what we did and expect to start in June. Hopefully completing it mostly by November of. 22. Yes. That's right. And the Robbins farm playground request went to see pay this year. It was approved for $997,993. So that is proceeding. So that's what we did. So that's what we did. They're looking to approve the final design by December, 2022. Fit it out in January. Starting April completion date around August. So these were the FY 22 projects, none of which were actually funded by capital. So par mentor was CDBG and state funded spy pond with CPA funded. They did that design process together. So that's what we did in the spring. So spy pond, I believe was the oldest. Playground in town. If I remember correctly. All these plans are on, are available on the parks and rec. Portion of the town website as well. If anyone would like to take a look. That's all for me. Are there questions? Sophie, you have a question. Just yet on this slide. The nature of the Robin. I don't think I noticed that I know there was a current issue that just came up with the slides. Is that included or not? Slides are part of the design. If there had initially been talk of doing those as two separate projects, but it was decided that. With site mobilization, everything, it made sense to do them as two. They were going to try to do a. Sort of partial repair. They were going to try to get one of the slides functioning using parts from the other slide. But now the same part is broken on both slides. So they are not going to be able to fix it until this bigger project. But slides are part of this design. Thank you. Bailey. I think we're going to have to double check that. They were going to, to try to get one of the slides functioning using parts from the other slide, but now the same part is broken on both slides. I think we're going to have to double check that. Thank you. Bailey. Thanks. Could you go back one or two slides? I'm not sure which I need one or two. Go back one more. This might be where I was. I'm just curious. It might be the slide before this. You mentioned that they're going to be annual inspections of the playgrounds. Which I have to be honest seems excessive to me. I have to be honest. I have to be honest. I have to be single every 12 months. That's quite frequent. It seems frequent. And then also questioning whether. These out cut outside consultants. Are we getting multiple opinions or is that, I mean. Our play, our playgrounds are awesome. And I know that they break down over time, but this seems like a lot of issues suddenly identified on, on playgrounds that my kids have played on that are. I'm just wondering if we're just getting like. Kind of in a nanny state. So my, so. To that point. Do we really need annual inspections? Is that standard in this industry? And, oh, another point I had was. Given that we. It sounds like you were saying some of the contractors who improved some playgrounds are now no longer available or out of business. Is there a way to do that? Is there a way to do that? Is there a way to do that? What kind of recourse do we have? Is there a way to put in a. Some kind of policy in the future that would keep. That would make sure we use long standing. Businesses. I think I'm putting that to the finance committee and to the greater town, like. Is there a way to make sure we use contractors that aren't going to go out of business because that's very disappointing. If something goes wrong with something we just paid for. And we can't go back to the person who, you know, the person who did that. So I think that's one of the things that really makes it. My best shot. So the question about the vendors that that's a really important point. These playground, the one, I believe it's Stratton and actually Mike Michael Mason. I think knows more about this than I do. So, Mike, if I'm saying anything wrong, can you jump in? That was not. A recently installed playground at all. And the answer is the rec department and Joe Connelly are making an effort to try to put to use vendors more consistently that have been in business for a long time and that they know are easy to work with and then and that it doesn't make sense to have equipment from a lot of different vendors spread across town so that you're dealing with all kinds of different companies. So there definitely is an effort towards towards consistency and standardization there. I will check in about the industry standard question. There have been a lot of safety issues on the playground there have been injuries. I personally see a lot of issues around town so I think the wreck really the body that is best position to answer those questions is the park and wreck Commission who the wreck who the wreck director works with closely. My understanding is that this is a best practice to do more frequent inspections and to stay in top of maintenance. More regularly, instead of sort of waiting until there's a problem that someone notices and then fixing it. Some of the issues get worse over time. Whereas if you if you catch them quickly, I think you can repair them cheaper that's my understanding. So just having these conversations I do not have expertise and building an inspecting playgrounds. The playground inspector is a particular certification that that exists so those are the people that are doing the inspections the inspections themselves. I don't think he's inspecting the very newest playgrounds every you know every year. I'm not going to ask exactly how many it is, but the actual inspections are not super expensive. And actually this he didn't make the point at our last meeting audit is an extremely exacting time consuming and more expensive thing. And what we're actually doing is inspections yearly not not audits. That's good to know that audits are different than inspections. We should change this item actually. And then I just wanted to make a quick comment on the stratton playground just because I used to live up there my kids went to stratton the entire playground is not old. In fact, most of it is new. A big section of it was replaced around the time that school was being rebuilt. I just wanted to there's other people that want to speak to me. Darryl. Yes, the item for the safety inspections program. How is that that doesn't seem to be a capital expense that really seems like it should be an operating expense. I agree with you. And then I'm sorry Kate go ahead. All right. I would probably kick that to Sandy or team or but you know it is something we've discussed. You guys want to take it on. Ask me. Well, I think it's, I mean, I would support Darryl and that it looks to me like it's a recurring expense. It's for maintenance. It's not capital. I think that they should be budgeting for in their departments. I mean, if you did that everywhere, you, you, your capital budget would be in tighter conditions. And then my follow up question following up on Charlie's point is what's the go forward plan for this is the expectation that for fiscal 23 and in the out years how is how are these inspections are going to get funded. And I'm going request in the capital plan. But we get back to the committee, Mr chair. Yes, I think it's important to have a discussion with the town comptroller and decide whether this is an operating expense or capital expense. I believe that this money is some part inspections but it's also for actually doing the work on the maintenance. Let's make a fine. Well, I would respectfully request that we get some more clarification from Joe Connolly on the details. That's perfectly okay. Darryl are you done. Yeah, thank you. Alan Jones. Following up on some of this discussion and what she lean said, Sandy is part of the follow up. Could you ask for some of the inspection reports. Just sort of curious what problems there are because it does seem like some of these are pretty new and I know the playground near my house got wrapped in orange plastic fencing after the inspectors left which of course was immediately removed by the kids. You know, I look pretty, I'm pretty good with nuts and bolts and I was, I couldn't quite figure out what the problem was nothing was broken, nothing was rusty. So I'd really like to see at least some representative reports from the inspectors. And I think it's shilling animated to make sure we're maybe not being requested to do work that doesn't need to be done. I do have the reports. You do other reports. Okay, could you share those with us please. You know, not tonight, but great. I will get them to you somehow. Okay. Well, if you send them to Tara, she'll put them up on our website. Thank you. That'd be great. Sorry about that my computer just decided to shut down for no reason at all. I'm back. Thank you. Alan, are you done. Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. Teamwork go right ahead please. I'm sorry, I'm probably coming in a little bit confused because I don't know what I missed in the last three minutes or so. We're through with, Kate, are we through with recreation? And I think we're over to Eda for libraries. Yeah, thank you. I'll be speaking about the on the library. The libraries this year's are very light compared to the last three years when we carried the two buildings at over $20 million. And as Timor has mentioned in the beginning of the presentation, we delayed the renovation slash construction of the Robbins and Fox library and we only have one request for fiscal year 23 and this is the minimum library network. This is a recurring project, and it is for the acquisition of the equipment needed for connectivity and compatibility. MNL is essential to providing cost efficient library services and I will mention two of the most important ones. The access, the patrons have access to a rich collection through shared catalogs, mobile apps and integrated integrated libraries system. And also the value that it provides the residents have access to a wider world of resources, and this way we realize savings through collective purchases and share. This year's request is in the amount of 79,000 79719. And it consists of hardware and licenses to operate this hardware. On this table here. I found it interesting because the library director gathered the data as of December, December 2021. And it's interesting to know that Arlington is range number three in active library card holders. Now, I want to step further, further, I was just curious about Cambridge, how Cambridge is the first place, and if you compare it to the population size which is population of Cambridge population is 116,000. Only at 23%. If you look at Arlington, almost half of the population has a card holder for the Arlington, for the minimum network. And you can move on to the next slide. This is again, as we mentioned, we had to remove the construction of libraries due to the budgetary constraints. And because we have this large current projects going on. But this doesn't mean that we canceled this, the Fox and the library and the Robbins library permanently. We just had to delay Fox library for one year. We kept this table to show that there is a really high demand for the Arlington libraries. We had a dip in fiscal year 22, and the library director estimates that for the fiscal year 22 we're going to go back up to the pre pandemic levels, and even higher. One thing we've learned during the interview with Andrea Nikolai is that the library bridges the digital equity divide. And what do we mean by that we all take everything for granted we all have laptops, cell phones. Not all the houses have the equipment, all the equipment for all family members. Also, not everyone has unlimited Wi Fi printing scanning capabilities. So this is where the library comes in and covers the gap and offers the residents a wide variety of e services, if you like. I was talking to Andrea and she told me that she has 20 hotspots that they're always booked and people can keep them for up to a week. Next slide please. Since we suspended the libraries, we have asked Andrea to provide a list of projects that we would need immediate attention. And she gave us this list which was initially part of the re imaging our libraries building study that started in 2017. This is what she highlighted as the most important projects. She needs to have the team room renovated, as it tends to get crowded, and the kids don't have enough space. Also, she wants to upgrade the lighting to address design weakness. And by this what she means is the lighting has motion sensors. And while they are achieving their role of saving energy. Many times they turn off and people think the room is closed so they don't go in there. So they also need to renovate the first floor bathroom and add two bathrooms on the second floor and the third floor. She needs to replace the carpet at Robin's library as it approaches 30 years old. She needs to add more meeting rooms for groups of four and six. Last but not least, you want to create a laptop bar, and this will be similar to the ones in the airports. They'll be equipped with powered furniture because and this will replace the current study carols, which are wooden and they're pretty much improvised to accommodate power they they have extension boards to be able to plug in the. She doesn't have estimates for this project. So she might have to go back to the architect for pricing, but she will start introducing this project gradually beginning in 2024. And that's all I have for libraries. Thank you either. Are there any questions for either. Oh, I have a couple. So my recollection is that in a in prior presentations the Robin's library improvement was a higher priority than the Fox library. And there was a plan. Conceptual plans to what was going to get done. And there was also, if I recall correctly, a plan to get some funding from the friends of the library and and also applications for state funding. Has that gone away that whole concept. Um, no, that has not gone away, but Angie has not been optimistic regarding the state plans she doesn't think that we will be able to make the cut. So, that, again, it's not, we don't know if we can comment as a funding source. The friends of Fox, they have raised some funds when they did the study. I don't know how much would be committed to such a large project. And we don't know if it's going to be enough. So a second question you mentioned that you mentioned the Fox library it sounded to me like it had become a higher priority than the Robins. The last time we saw anything about the Fox library. It showed a building on mass they have that was sort of entirely renovated and devoted to the Fox, and there was considerable discussion as to whether or not the library should be taking up for single use prime commercial space. And that there would have to be some effort by a combination of the planning department and maybe other parties in town to figure out how to utilize that space jointly for both library purposes and maybe other commercial or residential purposes is that dead idea also. I don't know if it's a dead idea but I know that there was a discussion over whether we're going to have in the initial study is for standalone building. But then questions started to come as to, should this be a standalone building or a mixed use building. We then decided that it would be wise to create a committee, and we decide which direction we go. That committee hasn't been formed yet. It's not to my knowledge. But I don't think it is off the table. Sandy, do you have additional information on this. Sandy may, maybe over at the select board meeting I'm not sure. So I'm here, I'm done with the report. Okay, and my full commitment is to finance committee. There's been some discussion about that idea that Charlie talked about among some people but I don't know that there has been a fully committed. Well, we've got a full commitment to doing a sort of multi use development there. I think in the short run. The library would like to redo the fox and do it just as a library. And unless and until somebody comes up with a plan to do something else. I don't think it's going to move forward and that other direction. I would just also say that there are a lot of downsides to doing a some sort of multi use development. But I don't think we're going to get into tonight with this discussion I think that's going to be on the scope of what we're talking about. I'd be glad to if you'd like but let me just say it's not as easy or straightforward as one might think. I would just also add that we did tell the library director that we didn't think we can go forward with the Robbins as a one whole big project so if I'm repeating what you've said, I don't think you I am but if I'm repeating what you said I'm sorry. I'm going to ask you to come back with a series of smaller projects that are much smaller price tag that maybe we'll be able to do a bit at a time the fox. Is one that I think would just be a standalone library projects, even though there's some people would like to see it done differently I don't think that's going to happen. I hope that answers your question. Thank you Sandy. Thank you for how many more slides we have here. We have one more. One more from Kate about the center. We've got two from Sandy about the town and buildings, a couple that those will cover about get recisions. And then we summarize. Okay, so I'm going to, in the interest of time, I'm going to suggest to the members of the committee that we hold all questions until after all the remaining presenters have presented their material. Thanks. And then I jump in very quickly. So I'm going to start with sort of the wrap up of the community center renovations for goals achieved by the project, modern expanded space on the ground and first floor for council on aging the senior association and community events improvement of major building systems including the HVAC electrical bathrooms and the exterior relocation of health and human services, including veteran services on the second floor, and modernizing that building to be compliant with the American, the ADA act for just disabilities. So, this was a tough project definitely suffered through pandemic timing was delayed because of both supplies and manpower and also had some budget issues they're summarized here. So we're two separate appropriations for it and actually a separate appropriation for the ADA related work, but the light is at the end of the tunnel. And it is in its final stages and ready to be in use very soon. That's it for me. Sandy these two are yours I think you're muted. And that wraps up what I have to say. So we own a series of buildings. Three of them are under the jurisdiction of the ARB under the urban renewal fund, the central school, which contains both some town departments and tenants that we lease to 23 maple which currently houses the DPW office staff, inspectional services, and some of IT. Jefferson Cutter House, which is where the Chamber of Commerce is housed, the Cutter Gallery and the Silas, Silas Darlan Art Museum. The town itself owns four buildings, the Parmenter School, which is half the Arlington Children's Center and the other half is the Manada pre-school. The so called Dallin Library, which is occupied by ACMI, our community cable channel. Ryder Street, which we've talked about before, which is used by the DPW and Mount Bill Boa House which had been rented out to a tenant, a residential tenant, but is now vacant and is undergoing an online study as to what the best use of that house and or like location is. Next slide please. This summarizes what our profit and loss is so to speak on an annual basis from each of these buildings, taking into account in the top sections, any debt that we've taken out on those buildings and in the bottom sections, taking, removing that debt just to see the purely operating expenses. And what it really goes to show is things like the Parmenter School, although it used to bring in a lot more rent than it does now, basically sustains itself. Alice has done the Dallin Library. Those are the only two that really are going to making money for the town. Ryder Street, we don't rent out anymore and Mount Bill Boa, we don't rent out anymore. And the Urban Renewal Fund lost a lot of its major tenants and has been in the red for a few years, using up its fund balance, although we do project it to be back in the black for next year. So, next slide please. Now it's over to Phyllis. Good evening everyone. I have just a few slides and they're quick. Just to remind everyone, the slide 41 is the, thank you, the rescinding of prior borrowing when the town meeting votes to authorize borrowing for projects. Sometimes when we don't borrow the full authorization as approved by town meeting, we, and we have funding left on that authorization that hasn't been borrowed, but the project has been completed. And we bring forward a motion to rescind that authorization of prior borrowing, and we review it every year and make a motion to, to you all to support at town meeting, and this year we have no action to take. We do have some projects that are looking to complete in the near future and so we, we may revisit this at a special time meeting or next year but we don't have any prior borrowing authorization to rescind. So, our motion is to have no action on this article. The next slide is a reappropriation of borrowed funds. So unlike the previous slide where we are asking to rescind prior authorizations to borrow. These are funds that remain available to us that have not been needed for the project. So for example, the following page, the next slide, we have been broken down by the projects for which we had balances remaining. We actually borrowed this money, but we didn't need to spend it all. And so these are five projects for which there were funds remaining. And we're asking for a reappropriation of these balances that remain from these completed projects. And are requesting that they be used to fund another project on the next slide, which is the a capital request for the clerk's office to have election polling pads that would that have a five year, believe a five year useful life. And so we would need to raise the appropriation for this because we could reappropriate these remaining funds. Okay, back to me. Thank you, Phyllis. So after all this detail from us, we hope your heads are not exploding. This is a recap of a prior slide. Again, what we were asking you tonight, favorable action on our budget sports five year plan and that $10,000 transfer. Next slide please. Here is the recommended vote in summary form and color code your convenience. And just to be clear, the part that's boxed to the left, which is the acquisition expense that was what we went through and in great detail department by department recap earlier. And I'd like to turn over now to Sandy to just take you through the remaining components. I'm going to start on the right. We show for identification purposes, the amount of water sewer debt service. Again, that is voted in the water sewer budget. This is kind of an ancillary to the capital plan. The ring debt service is listed in the capital plan. Some of it is paid for directly by the general fund and some of it is paid for by the ring enterprise fund itself. So the 56,000 is from the ring enterprise fund. And there's 11,000 that the general fund is subsidizing because frankly that ring enterprise fund can't pay for all of its capital expenses. The general fund debt service shows all the debt that we have issued to date and what debt service is going to be on that in FY23. The new is for any possible bands as I talked about before that we might issue, but we need to appropriate the money for now in case we do issue. And then that 11,150 is the general fund subsidy of some of the ring enterprise. So we add all that up to the 7,014,918. We then have the exempt debt. So we have a total debt service in the general fund of 19,144,620. We then have various other sources that we're using. But the money that is paying for that debt, you have to vote to appropriate all the 19. So we can spend it but there are various other sources so there's a net general fund debt service of $18 million after we subtract out money from things like the ambulance fund and then a fund parking fund and the general fund and our carryovers. Down below, we then have how much cash capital we're spending that is again offset by some another source the sale of assets fund to get a net general fund cash expense, so that we get at the very bottom corner of the page 21,949 893, which some people refer to as the Allen Jones number. Thank you say people refer to as the number next to the little whale. We put the whale there. It's the majestic output of the budget here. Go ahead, teamwork. It's the majestic output of the budget year or movie for short. Also known as the Allen Jones number. Yeah, there you go. Okay. Is this the last slide. Okay. So what I just read is you, you also receive these attachments is have more detailed and what was covered in the presentation. And then final slide please, we asked for your support of our recommendation. Thank you for your time and for your questions. Okay. So, Darryl. I thought on the question you raised about the operating expense versus capital expense on those parks and recreation issues. I still think it's it's more it's more appropriately and operating costs. It sounds like it's an ongoing activity rather than acquisition of any kind of or betterment of any kind of asset. I'll talk to you before John Ellis your hand is up. It is, but I don't want to leave this discussion. I'll let you finish this discussion because it's kind of a different, a different topic. Thank you. Thank you. I'll toss you any thoughts on. I agree with with Darryl that, you know, a yearly inspection is not a capital cost. On the other hand, if there are actually physical work being done in that maybe it changes it a little bit, but simply an inspection is an operating cost probably should be in the parks and recreation budget in DPW. I can't imagine that it can't be done by a junior engineer who just gets some additional training in park safety. Okay, well, I don't think we should be managing the department. How they do these things but I would say I would say your point about it being an operating expense, more than a capital expenses is well made. So I would like to suggest that we do the following and that is vote the precision article, vote the $10,000 for the, I mean I'll accept recommendations for motions on the precision article, the $10,000 on the perpetual care article in the reappropriation article that the town treasurer just mentioned to us. I think on the, the overall capital budget and capital plan I think this is an issue that should be resolved offline I don't think we can resolve it tonight. I think is that the next time that we could take this up would be next Monday because of the, the open meeting law notice requirements. So, Darryl, can I ask that you and who's who's who has the parks, the parks and recreation budget Wanda. Do you mean on our side or on our side and finance committee. Yes, yes, it was. That's what I thought to shoot you and Andy. Okay, Darryl, and one, if you can get together with Sandy and team or between now and next Monday, determine what we should be doing about that article that those figures. And I think there are at least two outcomes one is that they should be changed, and the other is that maybe it's justified. I think we ought to find out with a little bit more detail to whether or not that's the case. Al Tosti. I'm sorry, John, John Ellis, you had your hand up first. I had a question related to the perpetual care fund transfer and since the treasurer is here I hope she could answer it. I looked at the fund balance, the DPW director provided it before meeting. It was just under 8 million last year and now it's over 9 million so it grew by, you know, over 10% the year over a million dollars. And so it's a two part question one is why what's the reason that the care fund increased by that amount as a mostly investment gains or is it sale of lots and the second question is, could that money be used to could more of that money be used to token $10,000? The trust funds did gain interest over the over the fiscal year, especially when they're sizable as that trust fund is. And there are contributions into that trust fund from the sale of properties at the cemetery as well. Did I not answer your question? I think the third part of this question was going to be used for anything else and I think the answer is no. Those are funds. That's correct. It can only be used for perpetual care of the of the cemetery. Yeah. Anything else on that, John? Is that it? Okay. Al Tosti? I was just going to make a motion to save a little time on positive action for those four areas that you mentioned, Mr. Chairman, I could only come up with three but I had three, just three. I'm sorry? There was just three. Okay. Then I'd like to make that we vote favorable action on $10,000 from perpetual care in the appropriate article to go to a cemetery. That's, you know, for capital that we vote no action on the rescission of prior borrowing and that we vote favorable action on the trust transfer of leftover amounts. So it's been moved and seconded any further discussion on those three items. Hearing none, we'll take a vote. Grant Gibbian? Yes. Shane Blundell. Yes. John Ellis. Yes. Makaya Healy. Yes. Ryan Beck. Yes. Sophie. Yes. Jonathan. Yes. Shaylene. Yes. Carol. Yes. And he's not here. Alan Jones. Yes. George Cozer. Yes. Phil Keller. Yes. Al Tosti. Yes. Juan de Nascimento. Yes. Christine Deschler. Yeah. Carmen's not here. David McKenna. He's not here. Yes. Oh, you are here. Okay. Thank you. David. Yes. Okay. So there, I think Dean's not here. And Arif is not here, right? And Annie's not here. Yep. Okay. So those three items have passed unanimously. And Daryl and Wanda. Are going to follow up on the, the issue of the recreation department. Inspections and maintenance. I'd like to thank the capital planning committee for a really great presentation. Tremendous amount of work went into not just the presentation, but into all those items during the course of the year. I know it's a tough year. Been a tough year to work through these various issues. I know that last year when we had the increase in the costs of the DPW building, we knew that it was going to create a lot of pressure on future capital budgets, but they've, at least in my opinion, done a really great job. So I think we'll have to save the minutes and various other items that we had on the agenda for Wednesday night. And is there any further comment on the capital budget that anyone wants to make? Okay. In that case, I think a motion to adjourn is in order. Mr. Chair, does that mean we're not going to take up the revolving fund item tonight? It's not on the agenda. I don't think we can. So we need to. Okay. I'm sorry. I didn't realize. I thought you were going to. No, I said, we'll do it either. I think, I don't know whether it got onto the Wednesday, Wednesday. It's on Wednesday. The private way. Yes. It's on Wednesdays. Yeah. Thank you. Anything else? I just wanted to thank you on behalf of the capital planning committee for the opportunity to present. And for all your questions. You're very welcome. And apparently we're going to give you the opportunity to present again. So that's, Hopefully very, very pleased. Showed you how much we like you. Is there a motion to adjourn? So move. Second. Second. Second in all in favor. Thank you very much, everyone. Good evening. Good evening.