 Alright, so welcome everyone to this workshop brought to you by learn wordpress.org. This is titled WordPress as a paintbrush internet art and now with Rachel Winchester. And so quick introductions. My name is Courtney. I am calling in today from the island of Oahu in Hawaii. And I am a contributor to the WordPress open source project on mainly focusing on the, the training team. I've also contributed to the committee teams and TV team. And today we have Rachel Winchester of us today she's a product designer coming from Philadelphia. And yeah she's here to to share her knowledge about internet art and really excited to have you here Rachel so I'll let you take take over here. I'm very excited to be here. I gave this presentation once before last year at WordCamp Montclair 2022 but you know in that format it's very standard, and I feel like this is more intimate and I can ask I can answer your questions in real time and get your feedback, or have you guys get on the mic if you'd like. So yeah, I'll start sharing my screen. My presentation is a webpage. So after, after the, when the hour is over I'll share the webpage. I'm not going to share it now because I don't want you guys to skip ahead before me, but also my site is still generating it's a static site and it's generating new copies still so I don't think this page is even published. Anyway, thank you everyone for coming to attend my talk WordPress as a paintbrush internet internet art then and now. My name is Rachel Winchester, a lot of people just call me win for short so just keep it simple. And as, as Courtney said I am an independent product designer. My company is called visual web webmaster LLC. So a lot of the things that I'm going to talk about in this presentation and I guess a lot of the insights that I've had in putting together this presentation really come from my, my background in my perspective. So, back in 2017 I graduated from college with a bachelor's in art history. So my background isn't actually an in product designer software engineering or business or anything it's is in art history and I started working at contemporary art museums and galleries I was a tour guide I was in visitor services I was in the education department. But that's where things started for me in my career. However, as a hobby, I managed a couple websites they were arts related websites of course, but they were built on WordPress. So, around 2020, I decided to turn my hobby into my career. So I started UX design bootcamp. And I've done quite a few contracts with with different agencies and entrepreneurs of different sizes. Since then. So now I'm an independent product designer. The, this presentation is really really simple just starting one with the original net artists with the capital and how they set the stage for all the, all the rest of the creativity that came with the internet afterwards. Then I'll talk about WordPress and how that really revolutionize everything and brought us from then until now. And then I'll talk about some newer technologies that we have available to us now. And what's coming in the future and how we can take inspiration from what the internet artists were doing in the past to move into the future. Okay, so first is net art setting the stage. Alright, so let's all go back to the 90s. Raise your hand or say in the chat if you remember the early 90s night. Let's see what was happening in the 90s there's cartoon network that just started Oprah interviews, Michael Jackson. I wasn't on the earth yet in the early 90s so I had to look up some things to kind of put together this collage and kind of get us an image of the, the zeitgeist of the early 90s what culture was like, and technology was like what politics are happening. In the early 90s because this is when people were really first starting to get online, and when the internet was really starting to come to the public. So, um, just some important pieces of internet internet history. This. Okay. One question is the zoom bar at the bottom in the screen share. No, I don't see it. Okay, okay. Okay, so back to the early 90s. The apple Macintosh to was from my research, the first personal computer that kind of revolutionized desktop publishing computers, there were computers before this one but they were kind of larger and only used by companies government, but it was apple Macintosh to that was small enough and affordable enough for people to use in their homes and in their daily lives. But the history of computers isn't exactly the same as the history of the internet. The first internet service provider, it was called world because it connected the world that came on the scene in 1991. And by 1992, there are about a million people online. A million is not is not a large number at all. I'm in Philadelphia right now and 1 million is much smaller than the amount of people in Philadelphia. So, only a million people online. It's, it's, it's small if you consider the scale. And then by 1994, that's when HTML was first released to the public. So this is like the official first tool that the public had access to, to make something for the internet. And as I mentioned earlier. Things kind of happened in phases getting people online and using computers so first it was the government started the internet started as a government program, then it's spread to universities to get to be used for research that of course corporations that had the resources and the money and time to space for those giant computers and then we as the public. The internet art started right when the public was getting online. It's right in the early 90s, when I mean maybe there were some artists in the corporations and universities and government to, but generally, when I talk about the artists I've been artists in the general public. It was the first people of the general public to start using computers and the internet in very creative ways. And they did things very consciously so I'll give you this brief definition but I think you'll understand the definition one more more once I jump into those examples. So internet art is it's conceptual it's a lot more about the ideas relating to or based on the mental concepts. And what the art is about and not necessarily like what it looks like or what it's made of internet art is also inherently digital, it's digital art because the internet uses digital technologies to work servers computers those are all very digital technologies. And then the main difference the factor that makes it different than other conceptual arts and digital arts is that it is internet such central. So the art is about the internet, which is again a global computer network for information and and communication. Let me just get a drink real fast. So I see some questions coming in the chat I think I'll, I'll go over some questions after my first three demos first three examples. In case you guys have questions about those examples to. So the first example I'll show you is Jody Jody is an arts duo with Joan Humeskirk and dirt basements. So the piece that they created in 1995 was called a work of code poetry. That's how they described it. And this piece is not only an artwork, but it's their first website their website for their art. They're in a new tab. Right, so the URL is www www www Jody.org. And when you are, when you go to this home screen, you see these neon characters filling up the screen. This is the cover page. There's actually just one large link. So I'll click through to the link and I'm brought to the index, kind of like a menu of sorts. Very cool looking doesn't really make sense to me at all kind of looks like a mesh of things like I've maybe seen before like a map. It looks like something that people in the CIA might see on their screens. I'm not sure, like the TV shows 24 or something. But it's it's been it was called code poetry and like visual poetry just because of the way that just the way the images. The graphics that they're making kind of create this visual poetry so it's it's abstract art. And each thing is a different link so I'm actually going to go back just one page so that you can see that there are different links on this page so I can click on different things and I'll be brought to different screens. Each screen is kind of nonsense. It's that abstract poetry visual poetry just colors visuals graphics. I'm going to keep clicking just because I see that you know my cursor is turning into a hand. So an element is clickable. And, and that's how they, that's how they want you to go through this work to experience this artwork. You click on a link. It obviously doesn't make sense so you can arbitrarily click on random things and just keep going through this digital world that they've created for you online. I think this looks really cool I can see this design on like a graphic t shirt or something. Do you guys like internet art if you like internet art you can let me know in the chat, maybe put in some of your favorite. Sorry, not internet or abstract art or poetry if you're a fan of poetry. So this quote I think explains very well what you were just seeing. When you work with computers you have sound and you have image but in the computer you also have had code, and we tried to play with that a lot. And that's Joe and he was Kirk which is one of the two men in Jody. So they're really just trying to see what could happen the images that they can come up with with the new form of code that is again just released to the public in 1994. So the next example that I'll go that I'll go through is from a Leah Leah Lena from 1996. And this piece was described as net film. It's essentially internet theater. Leah Leah Lena she's, I go back to her often in my research and really just trying to understand internet art, because she was such a pioneer in the internet art scene she was one of those people who was very consciously trying to form a definition of what internet art was and she was very consciously like reaching out to people with the email and with newsletters to get artists to communicate with with each other, make art together and figure out the definition of internet art together. So she was a pioneer and an organizer and a curator, but also an artist one of the originals. So what I'm going to do now is the artwork my boyfriend came back from the war from 1996. Open that in a new tab. And this, this also has kind of a cover screen, and it sets up the film or the theater, the internet theater that I explained before my boyfriend came back from the war after dinner they left us alone. And again, it brings you to this very low res image that loads, loads very slowly. And this element is clickable. So I'll click on it. And now I see two areas of content. There's on the left the same screen before but just in the left side of the screen, and on the right face that's loading very, very slowly. Everything's very low res. And, and what she's actually set up again this is called a net, a net film, what did I say before, and that film. So what she's doing is she's setting the stage she's creating these I frames within the browser window to partition the stage and the window is essentially the stage for the theater. On the left side is one scene that's developing it on the right side is another scene that's developing. And I'm just going to keep clicking through just so we can keep seeing what happens some text appear well the, the iframe was split in half again. So the stage keeps getting partitioned. And I could move them around if I want to. There's a couple links there I can click on and I can click on here too so I mean I guess the story will unfold depending on where I click. So this film this theater, the story depends on where you choose to click it's it's a unique and customized experience for each audience member. So it also means that it's not necessarily the same experience every time each person goes through. So I'm not going to go through each path because that might take too long but I'll just read what's come on the screen so far so where are you I can't see you. So last time we met. Last time we met when and you promised, look. In honor of you. I think it's interesting how the images are loading slowly because some are are instant and some load more slowly. You don't trust me I see will you marry me. So it's some kind of love story. That's that's developing and I guess from the from the first sentence. When my friend came back from the war. We can tell that it's that kind of story. So it seems like a tragic love story. I won't have time to go through all of it, but you guys can definitely go through this on your own again each each time will be different each experience will be different. I'm going to start this piece because it was kind of a happy accident for her for only a little Lena. This quote kind of very well it really explains what she was doing so I was not very fond of this format back then. I would have preferred it to be a video but animated gift was the only way to get a moving image in the browser. I wasn't really trying to make some kind of net. Well she was trying to make net film, but what she had to her had available to her was HTML and I frames and that's what developed so it was trying to do one art form using a different medium. Hence internet art. And this third example by mark America was from 1997. This was called an epic novel is he described it as an epic novel, and it is a very epic artwork. It's not only a very long novel with 400 pages 400 web pages. But it's an ongoing project he's still working on this project today. There's been different iterations, based on the new technology that emerged that is available to him, the new things that come along with the internet. So it's a never ending story and very epic. And this was selected for the 2000 Whitney biennial. If any of you guys are big fans of contemporary art or American art. The Whitney biennial is a very, very big distinction. It's almost like getting a Grammys for contemporary art. Right, so I'm going to show you Grammatron that might be the wrong link. It is the wrong link just one second. Oh, did someone put it in the chat. Oh, how convenient someone put it in the chat. Thank you Michael. So this artwork just like the last two starts with the cover screen. Not all of these links were added when this first iteration of Grammatron was first published. There's more information that mark America adds to this cover screen as you know more he makes more more things to go along with it. So I'm going to click on begin to start the story. And I'm actually going to go through the lower bandwidth version called Abe golem, because this was the version that was made first just trying to go in chronological order and show you a lot of the earliest examples. Let's read what we see on screen first Abe golem legendary info shamp shaman cracker of the source of her code and creator of Grammatron and nanoscript. Sat behind his computer, every speck of creative or long since excavated from his burnt out brain wondering how he was going to survive in the electrosphere. He had once called home. His glazed donut eyes were spacing out into the vast electric desert, looking for more words to transcribe his personal loss of meaning. I am Abe golem, an old man. I drove assigned to the end of the road and then I got lost. Find me. So that sets the stage that's the sets up the book for a very interesting story. I'm going to read about this man Abe golem who is, he has this dilemma he's he's a writer novelist and he's presented with this new world that has come from all this new technology the electrosphere you can kind of think of it as like the metaphor, but it's before we had a term for it. And he's wondering, like, what do I do with writing in this new world, how if I am all about writing, and this new world. How it changed me how can I find myself. But again this starts the story that as you can see there's a lot of links in the short paragraph. A lot like my boyfriend came back from the war and Jodi the experience and the story depends on the user depends on what we choose to click on, and in which which order. So everyone can have a different experience. And you can have multiple experiences depending on what you choose to click on. So I won't go through too much because again this is an epic novel and there are 400 pages. But it essentially has that feeling of a, what is it called a create your own story book. And then they say like oh you want to do this next or do you want to do that next, and you can choose which path you go on. But those create your own stories books they still kind of have an ending maybe there's multiple endings, but this one. I'm not sure I don't think that there isn't an ending. It's interlinked the hypertext literature is interlinked. So let's keep exploring more of the environment that mark America has written about in this novel. You can think of it like if you play video games, and you are entering a new world of massive multi player online role playing game. Yeah, you have to just, you have to explore the world and discover more of the world to get the story. So not really like Pokemon. And again, this, this novel is epic, and the project itself is epic he's he's iterated on this Grammatron a few different times, and he's still working on it in different ways in different capacities. So again, never ending what is kind of what is kind of scary is a possibility of never reaching production closure, because of the advent of all of these software applications. Definitely. Someone said something about AI you guys definitely know where I'm going with this. Okay. All right. So those three artworks I showed you all around or a little bit before when the New York Times got online so they beat the times is what I'm saying. And it's right around the time when the Yankees won the World Series. A screenshot of early New York Times on the web getting the latest version of software through the web, advertising software on newspapers really old newspapers. And then by 1997, the original net artists are starting to are starting to solidify their definition of net art internet art with the capital and here. So this graphic was created by another arts duo and TAA. And they created this graphic and shared it with that mailing list that only a little Lena was running to kind of get all these artists talking about what they're doing. And everyone on the mailing list agree that this is pretty good graphic of what's going on. So it's not just about the computers and what you make on a computer. It's about the computer is being connected and the humans to being connected and communicating through the internet. And in the late nineties, I'm finally here to just put that in perspective. I think it's, it's, it helps for me to put things in perspective with my own life. I don't know if you guys want to, is better for you to understand things through your own life if you were involved with these technologies when they were coming out. Or you can use my life, my life to help. All right, actually, I said I was going to answer some questions about some of the artwork where I see. So it was largely some chatter. I'm not sure if I saw any questions specific questions. Todd says he used a Mac one is I'm guessing that's before the Mac two. I wonder how large that computer was in the 90s when megabyte was considered huge. Yeah. I think you know when floppy disks were like 1.3 megabytes. I'm a millennial. I am. Let's see, does millennials start. I was born in 1995. I think millennials either started 1990 like four or six. I don't know. I'm on the, I'm in the middle. What generation are you Dan. I'm a good chunk of Gen X folks in here because I'm Gen X and hearing people kind of reminiscing about mid 90s, maybe think there's some Gen X representation in here. I wish I was born like, like five years earlier I listened to so much like golden age hip hop and like early 90s music. I would have loved to see more of those people live. Yeah. All right. Next part, the awesome part the WordPress part. So yeah, all of those three artworks that I showed as examples that was way before WordPress came on the scene. These people were working without a content management software, and they were just, you know, hard coding things in HTML and whatever else was available before WordPress and other CMSs. So this is starting to kind of go along with the history of web web one web two and web three. If you guys are familiar with those terms. In, in a very short amount of time, the number of websites increased drastically, but not only the number of websites but the amounts for the types of websites so websites that allow for users to publish their own content. So platforms. WordPress is one of the largest areas that help people publish things online. And it's different from social media where we obviously you know you have your own social media page but WordPress helps you create a website and put the website directly on the internet. WordPress was invented in 2003, and it's an open source content management system, which means it handles the theme and your plugins it handles the media and the database and the core. And that that makes up your website. And it comes between you as the website builder and the, the raw code that is your website that the browser is reading. So of course WordPress helps in a lot of different ways. It helps people make it makes it easier to build websites, which makes it easier to build companies, either brick and mortar companies or internet companies. It makes it easier to publish content of all different types, not just the New York Times but, you know, small photographers on Instagram, or, you know, your own WordPress site of course, and it makes it easier to connect to people. So, like I said it's this follows the history of web 123 so the original net artists with the capital and we're working mostly in web one before WordPress came on the scene. Web two is really about the platforms and about user generated content. In this graphic you can see from web one that arrow pointing up for user generated content is very skinny, but in web two gets better. And then Web three is not only about user generated content, but about the scale. The fact that there's so many people online fact that most, most business and most life just happens online. So the internet by Web three is ubiquitous. Web three and these have a lot more involved definitions that I, I can't get into all the definitions right now there's a lot about, you know, politics and economics as well but I'm kind of just focusing on like the scale, the access of people to the internet, and it's a cultural culture. So because so many more people are online and experiencing the internet in every part of their life every day. The internet culture is understood by a lot more people. So, in addition to WordPress some of the other big factors that bring us from then till now are smartphones and PCs. So we have a lot more devices that are connected to the internet. I think I have four, I have four screens in my room at the moment, and I don't know I think I probably ate internet connected devices in my apartment total. And then social media is a big one to web WordPress is awesome because you can put content on a website, but sometimes content makes more sense on a different platform like Facebook, or tick tock. And of course blockchain is a huge one. I've always, I've kept an eye on NFTs and, and Bitcoin and Ethereum just because very curious about that space about the economics of it really. And WordPress only get has only gotten bigger and bigger. I think so 43% this graphic says 43% I think I took this graphic from state of the word. Last year. It hovers around 43% market capitalization for WordPress compared to other other methods of building websites and other content management softwares like Shopify or Drupal. I've been saying that is a lot. That's a lot of websites. That's a lot of market capitalization that's a lot of people who know how to use WordPress and know how to put things on the internet and create websites internet art, internet companies, etc. So WordPress really revolutionized the web, because it's open source and the community is very open and friendly volunteer driven WordPress as a whole I'd say is very transparent. Anyone can contribute and see what's going on where their ticket is. Okay, it's also democratized WordPress is the best of democracy and action. Yes, I agree Dan. It's democratized. You can play a part if you want the people at the, at the top listen to everyone else in the community. I'm generally relatively speaking like if you compare WordPress to for profit internet companies places like Amazon Adobe Microsoft. It's a whole different thing. And WordPress provides no code options. I think a couple years ago is when full site the full site editor was brought into WordPress core. Now we can do everything on the front end without code. Before then there were page builders and other plugins and add ons you can do to avoid having to code. But from the beginning of WordPress it's it's always been to democratize publishing so you don't necessarily need to be a web developer to be publisher. Through all this history is WordPress is becoming more and more usable and the Internet is becoming more and more popular. The internet art has changed the internet artists are working differently, and, and the times have changed and when the times change historians got to call it something different. The original internet art artists started stopped. They stopped using the capital I for internet art or the capital and for net art and they went to using the lowercase I to describe internet art that is kind of no longer part of the original group, but still counts as internet art. This is this is what art historians do is what historians do. I'd say a good example of this is minimalism minimalism it as a fine art movement in the 60s and 70s I think those artists were, they called themselves minimalists they use the capital and they were very consciously going out to create minimalist art, they were talking with each other, saying like this is minimalism this isn't minimalism, and it is very very conscious of forming a definition. So that's what those Internet artists were doing as well so around mid, maybe 2005 to between 2005 and 2010. That's when like the original movement kind of ended and they started using the lowercase I just to explain how this artwork terms work. All right, so I'm going to share just three more examples of newer examples of lowercase I internet art. And, like I said this is just art that can be described as internet art not sometimes these, these artists aren't even calling themselves internet artists. For example, on Ian Susie I think they just call themselves like conceptual artists. Of course, historians would, I think would still call it internet art so audience Susie they are a duo. Two of them, there's, they make what I call platform art, and I think I saw this term used in some press releases as well. So that is hilarious. Absolutely hilarious as I will show you very soon. And what's really cool about their work is that they, they've, it's, it's their career but also their art they've learned to kind of do similar things in a business context with marketing. So, I'm just going to get into Amazon dating, definitely one of my favorite sites right now. So this is Amazon dating Amazon dating.co. And it's Amazon it's the same interface as Amazon the same setup and everything, but instead of using products as content. They're using people. So this is like using the interface of an e commerce platform, but the content of the dating app. So it kind of just makes it seem like dating is very, you know, like you know you're adding your date to a cart. It feels feels weird. And this is just hilarious to like let's see Cora, 78 years old for prices $149. Love language words of affirmation, she'll make you cookies. This project took a little over a year for on it's easy to put together. I think it was a little towards the beginning of COVID maybe right before COVID started. And it was it was very interactive and they got all their friends and family to contribute. So these are real people, you can click on, you know, a product and read their reviews. So I love this piece I think it's hilarious has a lot of marketing value as well but it also just makes you think of makes you realize that like dating now, especially with dating apps it kind of just feels like you're putting a person in the cart and clicking by now. So the next artist I'll show you her name Sean a Michael Lane Holloway. And I like her stuff because she uses the internet and the medium of the internet to critique power structures all around the world, especially with respect to identity politics. I would say that viewers discretion is advised with the lot of her work, but definitely explore her stuff more on your own. She critiques, again power structures, a lot of themes about racial politics, gender identities, and all that I would also say her stuff is is a. She's a very academic. She, I think she used to teach at the Chicago Institute Art Institute in Chicago. And now I think she's at Virginia Commonwealth the university. Yeah, she's, she's a professor. Definitely about you to explore that more on your own time. And this last artist I'll show you. I like his stuff because it's it's just playful and they're very short there they're small pieces, kind of the opposite of an epic novel like Ramatron. So, this is his website just the websites, his personal website just the websites portion of his site as he makes some other things. Yeah, there's dozens and dozens of these things. And I can just click on a thing and it turns a color and I can click on another circle and it turns the other color. That's it. That's all that's going on. This is pretty fun. He uses kind of like a fidget spinner Raphael is, I believe he is one of the first people to sell websites as artworks, and he did it without NFTs. He would just sell the domain name to the buyer, and the buyer owns the domain and therefore owns the artwork. So, I think we only have 10 minutes left so I'm just going to go over the last section and one short demo. So we can, so I can, I guess answer some more questions. But yeah, what do we do now that we know about the original that artists and what do we do now that we have a tool an amazing tool like WordPress. They are in our toolkit, but also what about all these new technologies coming like artificial intelligence and blockchain and virtual reality. What do we do now. I say we should take inspiration from what the original net artists did. They were entering a new terrain they're really pioneers, they didn't necessarily know what they were doing when they were doing it which is why they kept communicating with each other to try and figure things out. But they kind of just fearlessly approached this new medium and just started playing with things until something happened. So, I'd say, take, take inspiration from them. So, photos didn't load. So, for me, trying to figure out what we can do in the future. And why we should, you know, keep looking into internet art and keeping an eye on what internet artists are doing. That's like asking, you know, what, what is net arts, what is net arts function for us today. How does art history and history function for people today. And that's, I mean, I guess it's a fairly dynamic answer. We look into history to understand the past to understand what was happening in the past how people solve problems in the past and understand what is here today. Because not every everything that's here today came from the past. But also we can look to artists to learn to experiment with what they had available to them in the past and in the present. Artists are great innovators, they don't necessarily think about what they're making as a product. But rather something that doesn't have a business, necessarily a business application or intended for a business application just intended to express themselves and be put out in the world for some sort of appreciation. And sorry about these photos the photos that are that were here I had a photo of what I was an intern at the Philadelphia Museum of Art in 2016. And then a photo in front of the same painting at the same museum last year. And just to show that, you know, my, my, my perspective is is really what's helped me understand what the net artists are doing and appreciate what they're doing. I went from being kind of this art history, this contemporary art person to being a digital product designer in a short span of time. And I see a lot of similarities between art and and products. They're made of the same things. They're made by people with the same skills, they just have a different intention. Again, products have that business, more of a business focus. Whereas art is for more expression and appreciation. So this quote from a lia lialina I think explains or supports a lot of what I just said so only one users start to express themselves with these technical innovations. Do they truly become relevant to culture at large. Yeah, as I mentioned before, you know, the world around us is built with technology technology is a medium that we can use for art, but also the internet is such a ubiquitous technology right now it's so, it's power so powerful and it's everywhere in our life it's ubiquitous. So we should try and use this medium to express ourselves, understand culture participate in culture so we're not left behind with the Gen Z's and all that. So just last five minutes, I think I'll have enough time to go through this one last demo. So, I'm still really fascinated with Mark America's work, Grametron, and again just how epic it is and how it's ongoing, how he remixes and iterates on the same idea and the same idea when new technology is available. So I tried to do the same thing. I, I, I work with WordPress and I work with Elementor. So I recreated Grametron using those tools and it was very easy because I didn't have to code. Actually, I didn't even need to use Elementor I probably could have just used the full site editor. So the, the story inside is generated by chat GPT. So I'm not a novelist. I guess the stories I tell tend to be presentations. So I don't write books I'm not a novelist in that way. So I use chat GPT to help me write the story. It really helped a bit it definitely made it faster for me to write things, but it, the story got very boring very fast. So I'll just read what the opening sentence a golem is a writer living in the metaverse where he spends his days exploring the endless possibilities of digital worlds. The metaverse is a playground where anything and everything is possible, and he often finds himself lost in its endless possibilities. So that was what chat GPT gave to me when I asked. When I said, start a story or write the beginning of the story about a guy, a golem who is a writer and he's in this metaverse type of place with endless possibilities. And he, he has a dilemma, both like too many opportunities but also too many problems coming with this new world. I thought maybe this first sentence was alright, not as good as mark mark America's but it's alright. And I linked different words to different pages and filled the content with something about the word so I asked chat GPT to say something about more about something else so let me just go back one page. So I clicked on the world, the word possibilities and list possibilities and I asked chat GPT explain more about the possibilities. And this is what chat GPT said about the possibilities, anything and everything in the metaverse a golem can be anyone he wants to be and do anything he wants to do. So chat GPT explains more different worlds meeting people and have adventures that are only limited by his imagination. The metaverse is a place where anything and everything is possible. And a golem is a writer who knows how to take advantage of that. So it's not too bad, but it's starting to repeat itself. Yeah, this last sentence is just, that was kind of a duplicate of the previous page. The story just gets, gets kind of boring after that running, I'm running out of time, but I will be sharing my web page presentation so that you guys have all these links to go through on your own a little more. So yeah, I, what I learned from this experiment with trying to replace the content with AI was that it didn't work, at least not for me. And I think it's because, again, I'm not a novelist, I don't really know how to write novels, let alone how to write hypertext literature. So adding artificial intelligence, it, it made me, I guess, spit text out faster but it's not like the text was good I didn't really know how to tell the chat GPT to write better content. So, I think what I'm trying to say, well really what Mark America says I think is a great way to explain it. What this is and has always been to look at the role that Tesshne or Technic, Technicity plays to really investigate the prosthesis I am. So what he's saying here is with the internet and technologies that came after, after the internet is he uses this as a prosthesis for his own creativity for his own ideas. So a prosthetic is, if you think of like an arm or a leg, it can replace something that someone has lost, or it can replace, or it can augment your own body and add more capabilities. So it works with what you're already working with. So if Mark America is already this, you know, experienced novelist lots of books written lots of hypertext written AI can only like supercharge his creativity. I'm sure I can find better uses for AI for myself, you know maybe writing blog posts, or social media posts, because that's what I do. I'm not a novelist. I hope from this presentation, you will be will be fearless and go forth and making art with WordPress and all the new tools that you have available to you. And all the new stuff that will come in the future. Because of all those endless possibilities. So thank you for coming to my talk. I'll be sharing this webpage. I'll be sharing it very soon. Yeah, we'll share it in the in the meetup event. You know, I will often send like a follow up email to thank folks for coming and share all the links that are relevant to the presentation. So, yeah, that will be coming up and then the recording will be posted within the next 24 hours as well. Okay, great. I know we're two minutes over. Do I still have time to answer questions. If folks want to stay on and have any questions. You're, you're welcome to stay on. But yeah, no problem. Any questions out there I think you might have the, or I think we have the mute capability off so if folks want to speak out and have any questions or comments, feel free to unmute. In the meantime, I'm just going to go ahead and share a link again to learn WordPress. You'll find links to more online workshops there. We also have like tutorials and courses and lesson plans, all educational material for for learning word learning and teaching WordPress so. Yeah. I think my site generated. Well, my personal website is static. And the first time I generated the this webpage, it didn't have all the photos and one of those other photos showed up there are the photos. Yeah. And I will put this in the chat. If folks want to save the chat that's also enabled so if you click on, I think on the three dots at the bottom of the chat window you can save the entirety of the chat as text file. So you'll have all the links available. Right well. Thanks everyone for for being here. Looks like we don't have any questions coming in. There's a lot of comments. Yeah, we had a lot of comments throughout the throughout your presentation. Thank you in for for joining us and sharing everything about internet art. I know there's a lot more that that we could do as as artists and WordPress users so. Yeah, this is really inspiring. Yeah, and thanks for inviting me. I love art as you can tell I love talking about this stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Right folks. Yeah, thank you for your time and we'll see you next time. See you.