 Dougie, who is, who is Dougie? Tell us a little bit about you. I mean, your childhood. What would make you become a therapist? What's your story? What else have you done in your life? What else is interesting about you? I grew up in Kansas City, where it's Sub-Zero right now, and I managed to get as cold. That's why you've got a bit of a throat thing happening. Yeah, yeah, that and the fires out here in LA mixed the throat. Right. I grew up there, school, went to college, and when I was finishing up college, a girlfriend I had at the time was moving to Australia. And although we kind of both knew the relationship wasn't going to last, I thought, why don't I go with you? And I could help her get started, you know, just get a place, half price, all that. And it was similar, always fascinated me. Mad Max II, the road warrior, had just come out and I really wanted to find out what kind of mindset makes that kind of film. And so I went there for a vacation, and after a few weeks, but after one day I said, I don't want to go back. And it wasn't that I was in love with Australia, that would happen later, but just that it was so good for me to not be in the world that had been familiar to me. And to be where driving was on the other side of the road, and most words I knew had different meanings. All this kind of stuff. Why was that so good for you? Why was that complete change? Most people would freak out in actual fact that I have a friend that has never left Australia because she's terrified that if she goes somewhere else, she's going to get lost and she's not going to find her way around. But you did the opposite, you said, oh, this is the same thing going in here. Yeah, yeah. I would compare it to a sensory deprivation tank, if you know that. Yes. I was worried where you get in and your eyes and your ears no longer can do anything for you because you're in a completely dark, completely silent environment, and your brain can then go wild ways. And for me to be somewhere where the American news was on page five of the newspaper, where other, you know, who were the biggest superstars in the world? Well, some were the same. But otherwise, you know, it was, it was, it ends in Aussie crawl and in excess before they made it internationally. And just pop music was Molly Neldrum, not MTV. Everything was different. And that was really good for me just to shake out of the mindset I've been in of what's real and what is not. See, that's very interesting what you say, you know, be shaking out of the mindset. I agree with you. I think it is those moments when I felt the most uncomfortable shaking out of my mind that that has allowed me to learn something new that I would not never have learned otherwise. Exactly. That we're talking about. And learn new things about the world, learn new things about where you're actually from, of course learn things about the new place, but very much learn new things about yourself. Yeah. That doesn't happen overnight. Yeah, because in workplace mental health and also helping businesses in my coaching business, helping businesses take things to the next level. The aspect of personal power, a person with power, it's a healthy person. Not necessarily power over others, but power over themselves. It's a healthy person as a therapist. You understand, then, you know, one of the key elements of a mental health problem is helplessness. And usually is learn helplessness. So that in my world means we're born powerful, but we learn to be weak. And sometimes the journey is about, hang on, realizing, you know, you're not weak. You're really actually powerful. And I needed those moments that you describe. Is that, is that? Yes. What's your take on that? I would agree thoroughly. And to, and of course, to also recognize where you are weak, isn't it? Yes. I will not be the next running back for the Green Bay Packers. It's just not. Of course. And that's okay, right? You're supposed to say, oh, but I think you can't. No, no, no. I think there's strength in that, isn't there? There's power in knowing. Knowing your limitations, knowing what's real. Again, what's real and what is it? And you're taught in any culture, you're taught that in certain ways, and it's great to get out of that culture and suddenly go, oh, I'm not saying they're all bad people or something like that, but that the lessons I learned about what's real and what isn't aren't necessarily true. And, and what's important and what isn't. And you've been to realize how different culture will look at something else in different ways. And I'm a big believer, you know, 99% of the problems in the world could be solved if people would, would have the ability to see through other people's eyes and understand other cultures and understand these things. I think we live in our way and ignore the symptoms. Yes, yeah. And one of the things that I like about how you, I've seen you have observed you operate and it has been consistently over two years. It's not like an accident. It's that you do have personal power and yet it's not an overbearing thing. It's a kindness. There's a kindness to the power that you have. And I particularly find that really, really attractive. I see, I think people are drawn to you because of that. Was there a moment that you had to make a decision? I will be kind before anything else. Was there a moment in your life where you, or is that something that happened gradually? I've had to make that decision a number of times. I guess the better, the best answer I could give is that the culture that I come from, yes, American, but more specifically Midwestern culture, values niceness to an enormous degree. And as you, as I got older, to realize there's a difference between niceness and kindness. And yeah, most of the time they're the same thing. And then they're the times they aren't. And there are times it's not kind to be nice. And kindness is the far greater thing. Wow, that's deep. That is so, so true, isn't it? Nice people will try to be nice in all circumstances, but they will not do the further step of maybe I'm not going, you're not going to like me if I do this, but I need that. The way you're being, that's not completely wrong. It's just, again, as what individuates to you is the psychological term to realize, I'm not going to actually choose to be that. I don't know if the movie Nebraska was much in Australia. Two years ago or something. I saw it here in California and the audience liked it. It was a very good movie. I was just about on the floor laughing through the entire movie because so much of it is about the niceness of the Midwest. And it captured it so brilliantly. And I thought it just hilarious. And yes, these are wonderful, wonderful people. And they can drive it to well, just like Australians, just like Californians, just like whatever.