 Nowadays people love seeing stuff more than just hearing it, you know what I mean? So if they can see it and hear it, you won their heart to 100%. I think it's a benefit to the creative or whoever's putting the video out. People need to see that what your vision is for the song. Even if it's a visualizer, like what characters are in the visualizer. It's like a visual aid. Exactly, it gives the audience an idea of this person's this kind of person sort of thing, you know what I mean? It's like, you know how when you watch a movie the first time you don't get it? But like when you watch it again, you get it again just from the context and stuff. So it's like when you hear the song without the music video, you don't really understand the full picture. But when you see the video, you get the full picture. Yeah, Debbie does Dallas a third time. It's an absolute business-time fucking. Like, it made more sense. Welcome to The Sevo Show. We have yet another musician on the show. The show's kind of steering towards that way. But I kind of like it because, you know, music is one of my favourite art forms. And with Bright Tank supporting the whole thing, which I love. We've got the beers, we've got the music, and now we've got the talent behind the music. Baby Blue, what's going on? Where's Gil? Where's Gil? Where's Gil? How you doing? Good, man. Thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. That's an honor, my man. Yeah, so, the introduction. Tell the audience, tell the viewers what's your vibe. Like, how did you get into the whole, where did you spawn in? How did I get into music? So, okay, so, my name is Baby Blue, so I'm originally from Sri Lanka, and I moved to Australia about, like, nine, ten years ago. But I was always around music, so, like, I grew up in a musical family. My dad's a musician. He's actually, like, a professor in a music institute. So, like, yeah, if you, if you have a... Like a PhD in music? Yeah, yeah, a PhD, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he teaches at this institute called SAE, School of Audio Engineering. So, like, throughout the years of growing up, I've always seen my dad play music and be part of bands and this and that, commercials, et cetera, et cetera. And then I've always picked up, like, the guitar. Guitar was kind of, like, my thing. I started off with the guitar and I joined the choir. School bands and stuff like that. But I never really got to the point where I started writing my own stuff. I just loved music, like, playing music and stuff. But I was heavily into, like, the church kind of worship music and stuff. That was, like, the only... The gospel stuff? Yeah, the gospel stuff. I was never, never listened to Drake, never listened to Nicki, like, none of that stuff. It was just straight gospel. And then just, like, about, what, eight years ago, I got into hip-hop. I, like, yeah, like, the first artist I ever listened to was actually my older brother, because he got into hip-hop. And then I heard his name going around and stuff and then tapped into hip-hop and then started listening to Drake and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, damn, this is something, like, completely missed out on. And I was like, let me tap into this. So just only, like, a year ago, I kind of tapped into writing my own music and getting my own songs out and stuff like that. But, like, I've always been around it. It's always been, like, an influence to me. But, yeah, that's kind of like my quick footstep in into music, man. I love it. I love it. Thank you. So just, just something just came to me. Yeah, yeah. Gospel hop. Thoughts? Gospel hop. Look, I mean, they, they do it. There's a couple guys like Lecrae, Andy Minio. There's, like, there's a label called Reach Records. There's a lot of them up there. They've been doing it for years. I used to listen to some of them actually back in the day. Look, honestly, like, it's a thing. But, like, I don't think you can ever mix, like, religion and hip-hop like that. Like, personal, personal opinion. Just because, like, it would throw away a lot of, like, you know, morals and stuff like that. But, hey, it eats to their own. Kind of contradiction. If they make it work, they make it work. But, like, if it doesn't work, don't push it. Yeah. But, yeah, honestly, Gospel hop, it's been there. It's been there. And, like, it's doing its thing. Honestly, it's still doing its thing. Yeah. So you're telling me about that you just got into writing music a year ago. Yeah. What sort of lyrics can we expect? What do you write about? So mainly for myself or the music I kind of make. I write about love. I write about honesty and I write about, like, the members that I have around, like, my dogs and my family and stuff like that. How many dogs do you have? Dogs in the set. So, okay. Quick, quick, quick, break that. Dogs. I refer dogs as, like, my homies. But it's not DOG, it's DAWG. So don't get that twisted. But, no, so me and my dogs, like, we, like, we make music and stuff together quite a bit. So, like, they influence me quite a bit. My family influences me a lot. And I would say, like, my own, like, experiences, like love, honesty, the things I go through every day is just, like, what inspires me. But I'm more into the R&B stuff. So I wouldn't really say I'm more of, like, a rapper in a sense. But, like, I tap into those, like, tap into that kind of thing. But I'm more into R&B and I'm more into this kind of singing stuff. If you want to put it in that way. But yeah, yeah. So I'll ask a question again. How many dogs do you have? I've got, I've got 11 dogs. 11 dogs. 11. I love that you know the number. Yeah, yeah. I got 11 dogs. But I actually grew up with seven dogs back home. Like, all types of dogs. It was, like, my thing. So I love dogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're just loyal. So how, how, how do I get into your pack? How, how am I? How do you go? Yeah, you're one of the dogs. It's very simple. It's very simple. You kind of already in the pack. That's the thing. Like, the moment I met you, you were in the pack. So, so basically all you have to do to get in the pack is just be yourself. You don't have to do anything crazy. Just be true and be honest. And that's you. You win. And then we, we moved together. Oh, Rack's going to come in. It's probably worth talking about the Melbourne trip a little bit. Yeah. You guys built a little bit of a bond over there. We did. We did. That was, that was actually a vibe. Shut up to our sister for actually showing up to one of the shows. That was amazing. All right. You heard the voice of Rack Shakur in the background. That's the big dog to Rack Shakur. So yeah, we'll get to the Melbourne trip in a bit. I've got the whole line of questions, but cheers. Shout out to Rack. It's my show. So you've talked about getting into the pack and being yourself. What are your key traits to identify someone as being real? Wow. I would say just the way they move, man. It's like, if you, if you see like, you're with a group of people, like you're all trying to do the same thing and you help each other, then that to me is like shows you the true worth, the true value. Like you actually care. You want to do something for yourself and other people too. But if you're in a group full of people and you're just doing things for yourself and not leaving anyone in the loop and not caring too much, then that kind of shows me you're just for yourself. So that kind of puts you out of the pack in a sense. But yeah, not like just normal actions. Like the way, the way I kind of met Rack or the way I kind of met you, you guys just being yourself. And I was like, damn, I would love to hang around like you a lot more. I love to hang around. So that just brought you guys in the pack then I brought myself, I guess, in your pack as well. But like, yeah, you know, it's just your actions and how you are as a person. Yeah. That's it. That's it. Very simple. And over time you create these walls or these boxes that someone has to tick through, you know, unfortunate disconnects and out of pack outcasts and see you later. Yeah. But yeah, the time that we went to Melbourne last month was for Gabs. It was great. Great Australian beer. Mm-hmm. Summit. Yeah. Spectacular. I always get that wrong. And yeah, it was a real cool trip because it was like a boys' trip that I was well overdue for me. Yeah, perfect. And because I hadn't been involved in school. Kind of my first boys' trip actually. Yeah, first. I've actually never done something like that before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for everybody that doesn't know, we went to Melbourne and we did a whole tour with Bright Tank Brewery and we had some hip hop artists involved, including Baby Blue. And we capped the weekend off with a lot of beer tasting. Yeah, yeah. And selling and spruiking and it was a whole lot of fun. But yeah, going back to that trip, what did you learn from it? Wow. What did I learn from the trip overall? Man, it's just like building, again, building connections, embracing a whole new city. Like I've always loved to go to Melbourne and Sydney so it was really good to go to Melbourne. So just embracing the city, just seeing how the city is in general, how they move, like ways to get into the city, like say into music and stuff like that or if you're into media and stuff, how the ways to get into there and tap into there as well. And also, man, the biggest thing is the bonding I had with everyone in the trip, man. That was the biggest thing for me, just to see everyone from the city. Going into one little sprint event and just go do things every day in and out. It was just fun. We all vibed with each other. We all got to learn something from each other. So that was kind of my main thing from the trip. And we brought that back here. So every time we see each other right now, it's all love. It's all like, let's do this video. Let's do that. You want to hop on this. So it's amazing when you do something that small and then it spreads out bigger. So for me, that was my big thing for the trip. Yeah, you have history. You have that nostalgic presence amongst each other. If you ever just see them after a couple months, you're like, oh, damn, that's my guy. You go up to him. Yeah. So it's just stuff like that. You're like, wow, you just built that relationship. You won't ever burn down or get rid of it. I noticed that as well last Tuesday at the bus stop with the cars. I was like, I knew you were there. I saw you at the entrance. I was like, oh, Sam, I'm going straight. He was just going straight and deft him over. I was like, yeah. That was surreal, man. It felt like, it's like, it's a weird comparison, but bear with me. It's like my wife's been drinking all night after work and she's at a work party and she's like, Sam, where are you coming over? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get there and she's just like vibing and she sees me. Yeah, yeah, in fact, literally, no, in fact, it was that because like I was literally taking photos and then like, I seen this tall figure at the entrance. I'm like, Sam, go quick. Sam, let's go right. Literally, so that stuff like that. And then you went to your own thing. Yeah, literally. That respect there, it's like, that's the pack. That was a moment. 100%. And then I did my thing and you did yours thing. If we wanted to connect again, it was just like we're doing our thing. We don't need to hold hands the whole time. Literally, literally. We give each other space, but we know the respect. And if someone comes in and goes, oh, you're talking about music. Man, you have to be baby blue. 100%. Whatever the fuck I'm doing. Oh, like, I don't even know. Like, do you want a video in the car? Do you want to blow up your Instagram or Tik Tok? Yeah, or like an interview. Yeah, you know, so 100%. So like, even because I knew, I see the thing is like, I knew about you before the trip and like, I knew, like, I knew, like, rack meeting and stuff, but I always wanted to meet you. That was like one thing. And I was just like, what would I say to this guy if I actually met him? But then when I met you, you were just welcoming. So like, I didn't have to actually like, because you know how you meet some guys, you just got to think of what you want to ask them or how you're going to approach them. But you were just welcoming. So I was just like, oh shit. Let's do this. Like, you know, so we just grew that relationship from there. But yeah, no, 100%. There's something my mom taught me years back. She said anyone approaches you and they'll either want something from you or they have something that you can, you know, benefit from. 100%. So always be interested in them. No matter what. And I'm always interested in everyone because I see everyone as a business opportunity, whether it's me helping them or they're helping me or the rare case, more so now is it's a mutual thing. And that's the pack. I think that's the theme of the podcast. Building your own pack. 100%. Dogs. There you go. So go back to your own music. You've been writing for a year. You're in the pert scene. Do you see yourself kind of moving from here? Do you see yourself in somewhere like LA, moving to Melbourne? Yeah, no, definitely. I would see myself like visiting there a lot. But honestly, this is my city. I love this city. The city is kind of what made Baby Blue in the instance. So I can't take that away and just be like, no. But no, I would stay here for sure, man. There's a lot the city can grow into and there's a lot the city can do in a sense. So I'll definitely go visit like LA. I would love to visit Atlanta, Melbourne, Sydney. There's a couple of spots I could take my music to, definitely, but place to grow it. Toronto, yeah, Toronto, Canada. Like everywhere, everywhere. But like, honestly, like I would stay here and do it because like this is, it's a gold mine here, bro. Like once it gets popped off here, like that's it. We're about to take over a lot of industries. We're about to take a lot of TV screens. That's for sure. So like, no, I would stay here, man, for sure. It's an exciting time for Perth. And like Perth was still slept on. 100%. 100%. It's so diverse. Like whether you want to be a painter, a writer, like you want to go dance, like it's so diverse in all those like industries. It's like, we just not looked into like that much. But if we were, yeah, it's an end game for Melbourne and Sydney, 100%. I'll back that. It's an end game for Melbourne and Sydney. If everything here was looked into, I know I'm looking at my manager right now, but if we were looked into seriously and if we had like the backings that we needed, yeah, 100%. We'll take over quite a bit, yeah, 100%. We've got people like you as well in the influencing side. So if we've got more people like that, 100%, we're taking over everything. So yeah, no for sure. Whatever we can do to help. And that's the big synergy that people need to realise is you can't do it all yourself. You need a manager. You need someone to do the groundwork. You need to do the hustle. And then you need someone else to come in and go, hey, I will not blow you up, but help talk with you or just spread the word any way you can. But then obviously, you know, like for me, it's like, I'm just cool to be involved in the hip hop scene that I've thought I'd never be involved in. My ultimate aim for this podcast in Perth is for anybody that comes in to Perth, whether they're an artist, a celebrity or whatever, to come and do their gig, come to one of Rack's fuck off after parties and come on the Sevo show. In no particular order, you know, that would be fucking sick. That would be sick. And like the interviews that I kind of do is not like the generic media shit. It's like, tell me some, I'm trying to be completely oblivious and not go through the same typical questions. Like, yeah, where did you grow up and stuff? And, you know, like, let's say Kendrick was there. Like dream interview. I mean, he would have got that question a thousand times. Oh, find a question in his response to something that he would have never been asked before. And that's like what I love. Yeah, man. That's why I'm sitting here. I'm like, I'm a bit nervous. I'm not nervous. But no, it's cool. It's actually cool. This is fun. That's it. Have you done many podcasts before? I actually only done one, man. Apart from this, I've only done one. And that was like a year ago. That was like my debut into like music. That was with Jacob, the roadshow podcast. Oh, yes. Yeah. So I did one with him. And then after that, like we did a couple of radio interviews. But other than that, no, like, I love this. This is actually sick. I can do with this a lot more. Yeah. Absolutely. So who would be your dream feature in one of your songs? Wow. I've got a couple, man, because I look up to quite a few guys. So my top, my top, and you can fight me for this is Drizzy. Drizzy? Drizzy is like my main guy. Definitely. Because I take huge influence from him. Just over the years, he's done music and he's been an image of like a rapper and artist or like how to do it. So I take a lot from him. So he would be my number one. And then I would definitely say like, okay, can I go three? Yeah, go three. Okay, we'll just go three. We'll go Drizzy. Yeah. Black. And then I would say, I honestly put like Young Thug in there. I don't know how to make that work, but I put Young Thug in there because he's just so inspirational. He's just the guy. What makes Young Thug so inspirational to you? Man, it's just the influence he's had overall in like hip-hop. Just when he started out, the way like he brought his whole team involved and like his family involved and his like neighborhood city, everything like everywhere he moved or everything he did, like he never let anyone let loose. You know, he's always that guy that's been like, if you see interviews about Thugger, everyone respects him because he's always done something, whether it's something big or small, he's always been that guy, you know, that's just out there helpful like this and that caring. He may not be a nice guy overall. I don't know. I've never met the guy, but like, yeah, no, I just seen like the influence he's had over like individual artists over the hip-hop scene in general. And like, he's very inspirational, man. And RIP, I mean, not RIP, Free Gunner, sorry. I mean, Free Thugger, Free Thugger. Free Thugger. Free Thugger. Free Thugger. He's paved the blueprint, hasn't he? Huh? Paved the blueprint. Yeah, 100%. He's paved the blueprint for a lot of like Atlanta rappers that come on that same sound, definitely. So you had the late Lil Keed. You have Lil Got It. You've also got someone like Gunner at the moment. You've got quite a few guys, man. You've got like, like... Yeah, like Lil Baby and stuff. Like even Lil Baby didn't want to really rap. It was like Thugger that went up to him and was like, yo, bro, get into the stew and start rapping, you know? So it's like, yeah, a lot of rappers like that. Like he's done a lot of stuff for like 21, Drake and all them guys too. So it's like, yeah, even though they're all big names, he's tapped into a lot of local guys as well. So I got to give him his respect for that. Like, again, I'm very new to like the whole industry of like rap and hip-hop. But just seeing over the years that what I've learned and what I've seen, it's like he's been a big inspiration to a lot of guys. So he's also inspired me with music and stuff too. So yeah, definitely those three would be my top three. I love it. You mentioned all these different rap names. Let's go back to your rap name. How does that come about? Sweet. So Baby Blue came around. So Blue has always been there. So when I first kind of started, like I said, so my brother was like the very first artist I've ever listened to, right? Yeah. So when he was going around, he was going on his like older name. Before he went on to Thugger and Jones. So most of you that don't know my older brother is Thugger and Jones. He right now resides in Sydney, Australia. But he used to be here. So he started off his journey here and he made most of his like impacts in the city. And then while he was doing that, so we're going way back. So when he was in his first name, I started to get to know him and stuff. Like heard his name going around the city and stuff. And I was like, oh, what? He makes music? All right, cool. Like let me tap in. All right, cool. Tapped in and I listened to his first album and everything and then like we moved in together after like a year or so we moved in together and he needed a like photographer, videographer. So I picked up the camera and I was like, yeah, cool. Like we'll shoot shit. Like we'll do this. We'll do that. We'll do cool stuff. So we started shooting and Blue Media was like the first company I kind of went with. So it was like my photography company. So Blue Media started doing like videos, photoshoots. I did models. I did certain events and stuff. And then I started shooting for Manor. I don't know. Do you remember Manor back in the day? Yeah. Manor used to be popping off back in the day. So I used to shoot for them quite a bit as well. One of these great guys. He's a great creative director. Taps. I don't know if you've ever... Taps? Yeah, you've heard of him? Yeah, definitely. One of the greatest guys I've met here in the media. But yeah, I went under his wing for a bit for like a couple of years and he taught me how to shoot and stuff like that. So Blue Media was always the thing. So Blue was what people always used to call me. But the way Baby got incorporated into the name was I'm the youngest out of two older brothers. So I'm the third. And I was always called the baby of the family. And whenever this beard is gone, I look like a 12-year-old. I literally, like, it won't change. It's either 12 or 8. Like, I look like a baby. So that's why Baby kind of stuck. So Baby Blue is what I want to put those two together. It just sat well. And people sometimes refer it to the color. People sometimes refer it to the actual definition of the name. But yeah, no, it's a sweet, nice household name. You know, you can put that together. I love that. Yeah. I love that. I love that. Thank you. I thought you were going with my older brother's rap name was Dark Blue or something like that. No, no, no. I mean, look, it wouldn't be that bad. No, no, no. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. That would be horrible. So what was it like? What's it like in the Sri Lankan music scene right now? Are you involved in that in any way? I'm involved in a little bit of it because, again, most of my sound is also part of where I come from and stuff as well. But when it comes to, like, making, like, say, like, so it's called, um, Hollywood music. So I call it through music, in a sense. So that type of music, I'm not heavily tapped into, but I know my older brother, he's done some corporations here and there over the time. But, like, that scene is very untapped. My man, like, again, like with Bollywood and stuff being around and the Hindi music and stuff, that's a lot popped off throughout the years. Now it's only, like, Tamil music and stuff that's getting tapped into. But it's always been there for years. It's always been a vibe to people. It's always been popping off in our country. But, like, it's a very, like, um, small group of people that kind of know it. So which is kind of just like us. But it's nice to see that it's, like, spreading out. It's getting a bit more international. But, like, with the whole sound and stuff, I'm looking forward to incorporating a lot more of it into my sound. Because, man, the drums in, like, in our music and the melodies in our music is just incredible. So we'd love to incorporate a lot more of it. But, like, yeah, man, definitely, yeah. And, um, because I've learned about Afrobeats last year, late last year. And then learned about that. And then that was the sound that I was discovering. And anytime I hear Afrobeats now, I identify it straight away. And you cannot, like, sit still. Mm-hmm. Unless you're absolutely... Man, if you think... You have to be deaf. Yeah, 100% not. If you think Afrobeats, you can't sit still, you should listen to our music. I'll send you a couple links. You will actually vibe to it. You'd vibe to it, like, if you, whether you're at a club or you're in your house by yourself, cooking chicken, like, you'd vibe to it. You'd vibe to it. Afrobeats. Oh! That's... Afrobeats. Now, give it, see, what I'll say, again, again. What would you say is the grannies? Oh, okay, see, see. This is where the... This is where that conversation, like, can't really go any further. Just because, like, we're only just starting to come international. Yeah. We're just getting tapped into. So, that's 100%. That's fair. Afrobeats have one, like, grannies and stuff. 100%. It is a vibe. Don't not get me wrong. Give us about two to three years, maybe five years. We might sit back down and have that conversation again. Oh, man. You guys have the underground, take a walk down. Yeah, so, yeah. It's like boiler room sets. All the new... All the new DJs are coming up. Yeah, 100%. All these, like, new edits are literally, like, Hindi or, like, Tamil or, like, yeah, just different types of, like, just, um, like, Southeast Asian, like... I need a follow-up track on that classic Indian bait. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh, yeah. So, that, yeah. I need a part two of that shit. See, see, shit, yeah. So, that is more, like, Hindi music. So, Hindi music is a bit different to, like, so, okay, a lot of people get this confused. So, Hindi music is very different to, like, Tamil music. So, Hindi music is more, like, what you would say, like, your commercial pop music would be, in a sense, but, like, Tamil music is more of that grittiness. You got more of a balance and a jump to it and, like, that grittiness to it, whereas, like, the Hindi music is more like commercial. You do have a bit of the other stuff on tour that Hindi music, but, like, they're more commercial in a sense. Fair enough. Fair enough. In a sense. Yeah, in a sense. But, like, is there, like, a version of, um, of Hindi music that's, like, more, like, trap where they're, like, talking shit? Oh, yeah, 100%. If you haven't listened to, um, a lot of, like, Hindi, like, rap music, this is guy, um, again, he recently passed away, rest in peace, but Siddha Moosewala has a big, big influence in, like, the Hindi, like, hip-hop scene, and he just went, like, global, almost, just before, like, he passed away. But, like, a lot of big guys, like, Drake and stuff like that, they've taken influence. They started, like, referencing his music and stuff. I don't know if they've ever released stuff like that that they've taken influence, but, like, just seeing that was, like, incredible. But there is, there's a huge scene with the, like, Hindi, like, rap scene and stuff as well. They're popping off as well, but, yeah, give us, give us about five years. Give us about five years. We'll start, we'll start popping off. Crazy, yeah. I mean, I've, uh, I've, uh, dived into a bit of Russian rap as well. Yeah. Um, I can't name an artist to save my life, but, um, it's, it's aggressive. It's good, right? Aggressive. Yeah. It's like, you feel like you're gonna get fucking Kalishnikovs or something, you know? Yeah. Do you know what's crazy? Um, I listened to one of my, one of my bros. Dutch, Dutch rap. Oh yeah, Dutch rap. Those guys go crazy. Yeah. And they actually got crazy melodies. I was like, yo, what is this? Yeah. But they've been going on for years too. So just seeing like that, that type of stuff just keep happening is crazy. Yeah. It's like, wow. So what, what do you think, um, like the Western world is starting to get more fascinated with the different cultural raps and like the whole, the whole white rap thing. I mean, off the top of my head, there's just mumble rappers these days. Yeah. There's, there's quite a few, there's quite a few. So now the, now the ethnics have taken over. I'm a big fan because I've always vibed more with the ethnic music. I think, I think it's just, it's just over the years of the criticism of man, mumble rap, mumble rap. So I guess everyone's just gone back to their roots and been like, you know what, let's top, let's bring this on. So I'm just seeing every different culture do that. Like you can incorporate the mumble rap. You can incorporate like the new age flow and stuff. Yeah. But just bringing your sound, that's what brings it to the next level. Um, you've got guys over here, like again, my brother, figure of Jones, babyface, small, you've got like Mono Crooks, you've got like quite a few guys over in the east and stuff as well that do it. And even the big Polynesian sound as well, they do it quite a bit nowadays as well. So now it's really, it's really nice to see it, but I'm happy mumble raps kind of, kind of gone away a bit. Look, I'm not a big hater for it because it's like my generation do not get me wrong. Like I, I, I like some of it and I like parts of it, but then there's, yeah, yeah. Like there's, there's just some guys or some songs. I'm just like, why? I need to, the way that I listen to music is I need to be able to identify what they're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. You know, like I heard you guys, I heard you guys on tour with, you have this machine that you plugged in that you're carrying around with you everywhere, like your fucking baby. The auto tune, mate. Yeah. What like, and the, I remember when auto tune first became almost, well it wasn't mainstream, it was hated on. Yeah. T-Pain was the kind of pioneer pioneer for it. And he was the only. Aaron was. Have you seen that clip? Have you seen that clip of T-Pain where it was, it was an awards thing. It's like, and they were, they were listing all these different songs that were nominated and he featured in. No, that's crazy. No, I didn't, I haven't seen that. No, that's great. And he couldn't lose. He won. Yeah. What the hell? He was all H on the hook. No way. Yeah. Big feature, but. No, T-Pain. Yeah. I think too. That's big shout outs. Wow. Yeah. Man, I would love to interview him. Man, do you see Fest gone be crazy? Oh, bro. It's actually going to be crazy. Bro, bro. But going back to the auto tune thing. Yeah. Now that it's, now that it's been fine tuned as well, because you can never really tell, but you guys had it where it was quite obvious still, but you made it work. How did that kind of sort of come about? Man, it was, okay, so with that, that was, that was also like my very first time of trying an auto tune mic as well. I was kind of learning the ropes of it as I went. But no, man, like honestly just seeing the difference it makes to your vocals in a live performance, whether it's a small capacity or a big capacity. Like it does a big difference, man. There's like, there's like knobs on the thing where you can like turn down how much of the retune you want it to be or if you want it to robotic or whatever the case is, like you can adjust it. But yeah. No, honestly, like having equipment like that going forward and like seeing how the industry is evolving and stuff, it's always key to have. I would back it. I'm not a big guy that, some songs I chose to do without the auto tune mic just because I like the sound of it raw. But there are times where I'd be like, nah, it does add that little more of like, I don't know, the flavor to the performance. But like, yeah, no, just learning stuff like that, I thought it was pretty cool. Like I actually enjoyed it. Yeah, like learning the auto tune mic. I was like, yo, but the one thing to not do with the auto, is talk without the music on. When you start talking, yo, you sound horrible. You sound horrible. It doesn't matter how sexy your voice is, you sound horrible. You sound horrible as well. So keep it on the theme of producing music. What's your kind of process? What do you do first? Do you get a beat first? Do you like write the lyrics and then you combine the two? What do you do? I listen to beats a lot. Yeah. So I would literally just spend probably an hour or two just listening, rinsing through beats until I kind of come across that one. If I find one, then I'll be like, maybe there's a second one, maybe I could do two. So keep that first one, go find another one, if not come back to the first one. And what do you find these beats? So I go on YouTube personally. So over the kind of year or so of me making music and going on, I've also reached out to certain producers. So I've got this one guy where he's all the way in Brazil. His name is Bispo. We made a track together. He was on my first tape. So yeah, it was crazy. Sorry. So when I went to go purchase that track, so you got to go through this app called Beatstars. So when you go on the app, you got to click purchase, what type of like purchase you want to do. So there's like different levels. So you can get like the free WAV, what the files, everything, or you can get like just the normal, normal one, just MP3, whatever, right? So I got the full one, but I wanted to pay for the beat. But the PayPal kept saying you can't pay for this beat. It's not purchasable, not purchasable. So I was like, what? Like it's on the website. It's not set purchase because every time you purchase something, it's set purchase. So I was like, okay, cool. So I texted the guy on Insta and I was like, oh, hey bro, like would love to purchase this beat, blah, blah, blah, blah. And on the website, he was like, like obviously on the website, they price it beats crazy high or whatever the price is. So you got to invest in, it's like an investment, buying beats and making sure I last long and hits the radios and stuff. It's like an investment. So I was like, oh, okay, cool. Like I would rather message him and purchase the beat. So I messaged him and he was like, yeah, yeah, easy bro, just send me 40 bucks for it. And I was like, huh? And I was like, wait, you want me to just, yeah, all right, cool. Yeah, easy. And he's like, I sent him. And he was like, all right, he'll take the beat. And then he sent me the beat, got everything done, all the files, everything. And I was like, what the hell? Okay, cool. I kept the relationship going with him. And then he sent me a beat recently and he was like, oh, can you hop on this? I want to release it. And I was like, yeah, okay, cool. So he's like, I'll send you free beats if you just hop on a song for me, like every now and then. Oh, dude. I was like, yeah, say less. And he actually makes fire stuff. So I was like, yeah, bro, 100%. I'll do that. So that relationship started getting built. But there's like two other guys. I'm still trying to build relationships where they're just really bad at replying. They take their like, I don't know whether it's time difference or not, but they just take their own time. But it's cool. It's cool. I'll build that relationship. But no, I go on YouTube a lot, man. Sometimes I've got homies that make beats. So I sit with them. We record some stuff together. But usually if it's my alone time, just hop on YouTube, just bring through a couple beats. But I like writing. I spend most of my time writing. Just listening and writing to music. Or if it's just listening to the beat on repeat and just trying to figure out that one verse. I just like writing. But yeah, that's kind of my process. I'll listen, I'll write, and then maybe a day or two after, I'll go back and smash out two songs. But I just want to make sure the writing is perfect. So as soon as I go on, it's either a one take or it's two, three takes. So it's not too long. And how long does a sample or a beat normally go for when you're listening to them on YouTube? Yeah. So a beat normally goes, so there's some beats I listen to. I like those beats that really slap, but they go for like a minute and a half to like two minutes. So those are like my go-to beats. But I usually listen to some beats that go for like five minutes. Yeah. It's just because the way the samples are layered, the way the drums are layered, some guys actually go crazy and they just put it out on YouTube. So when you find those like hidden gems, kind of beats, I call them hidden gems, but when you find those hidden gems, you're just like, whoa. Have you found a, like a kind of like a format that you go for in the beats? Like, I don't know how to say this, but like the time code and then before it does like a drop. Yeah. Yeah. You like, yeah. Okay. So the way I kind of do it is like, I don't really do the structure. Like the structure is basically like chorus and verse, right? That's like your basic structure. Okay. I keep that in mind and I go, if I'm writing something, go do chorus structure, but sometimes it would end up being the verse first and then the chorus second. So it's just depending on like how I'm feeling on the beats because it could have breaks. It could have stops, but if I'm not feeling too much of the breaks and stops, I'm just going to keep going on. I'm going to work something out with the beat, you know? But like it depends how you feel with the beat because like it's a big thing, man. Like you can write about anything. Like I could sit here and just probably just write something rubbish right now, but like I can put it on any type of beat, but like if you're not feeling it on that specific beat, you're never going to bring that emotion, that feeling into the song. That like, that's why back in the day people are like, oh, I miss songs back in the day because the feeling and emotion, that's what kind of I feel like is a bit lost nowadays. It's like no feeling and real emotion. It's just like the beats bouncy. Let's just bounce to the team, you know? It's like you also got to put emotion and feeling into it. Yeah, I feel that. It's a similar vibe with music, music videos. Or like I remember growing up and listening to a track and it closed my eyes. I'm like, I know exactly what the music video would look like. And I've always wanted to like make music videos from it, but then I also had, I would hear just sounds and I would like, this would be a good sound if someone shot this specific shot of, I don't know, some nature or some scenery. If you want to bring that expression out from that just sound your head. So it's like, you got to do the same thing when you speak onto the track, you know? You got to bring that expression up. If you don't and you're just doing it on like a mellow tone or like a deep voice, because you just got a deep voice and like, I'm sorry, it's not going to bank. As much as you want it to, it's not going to bank. So what resembles for you as a banger? Like personally, when you're writing something, you're going to be like, to you personally, this is a banger. Obviously you're trying to do it for your audience as well, but that would be my next question. But for you, what goes, yeah, this slaps? Obviously something that's catchy, something that's like, that keeps you engaged quite a bit, whether it's the chorus and to the hook or back to the chorus or the bridge. And it's also like, again, it's like the cadence on the track. It's like if someone's flowing like heavy, like you hear like when Drake flows on a track, you're like, whoa, I want to rap this while I can learn the lyrics quick, easy, or I like this flow. And that just becomes the memorable thing. Whether you hear the track, you're singing the track acapella while you're cooking or you're washing dishes, you know, it's just the catchiness of the flow and the cadence. That's like a big thing for me. As long as you're catchy there, I don't care how the melody sounds like. If you're catchy, I'm listening to it. Like if you're flowing great, I'm listening to it. That's kind of a banger to me. Not every song is a banger, but that's what like classes are banger to me, I would say. It definitely helps with the content that they're talking about as well. Yeah, content. Yeah, it's going to be contextual. Yeah, because sometimes it could be like B-fraps, which you just want to catch up on. You want to see what issues they have. I've heard songs where it's like the guy in the chorus talks about or guy or whoever talks about like love in the chorus and then talks about shelling someone in the verse. It's like, what? Like that doesn't make sense to me, you know what I mean? Yeah, so it's like if you can make it look like a story, start to finish. Yeah. Like a full book, then you're good. I can see how that... That's a banger to me. Yeah. I've been in blues growth on last, you know, a few months we've started working together is his songwriting's gotten a lot more mature. Like, for lack of a better term. I appreciate that. Like, I think, you know, we've joked about the dogs thing before, but like now when he talks about his dogs, you actually get a proper picture of what he's talking about. Okay, so more articulate, eh? Yes, more articulate, more feeling, like even with one love that's coming out soon, that is like one of the first songs that I heard of yours that I was like, damn. Yeah. There's one line that I guess I trusted us to say like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you run that for a little bit? Yeah, one thing with the questions, just to segue, continue, and we'll get on to your new music soon. Sure, of course. With when you're making music, and this is a creative thing that I noticed for videos, for just content in general, how do you get like, how do you get the feedback from your audience? Like, do you measure it off of how many times that it's been listened to? Mm-hmm. And then if it's been listened to a lot of times, do you go, okay, that's a strategy we're going to continue on to the next track? Or how do you do that? How do you measure that? Like before I drop something? Before, during, and after, yeah. Before, during, and after. Okay, so if it's before, some things we do is like we either put out a reel, or like I'll put it on my story. If a lot of people react back onto the story, I'll get a lot of reactions back. I'd be like, okay, this could be a potential. A couple weeks I might make a post with like a bunch of tracks involved and pop that one in there. People still like that one. That's another, okay, that's like twice now you're taking saying you like that one. Sometimes you premiere it on live. Yes, so just go on live. Just air it out to people. People start sending like fire emojis back. You're like, okay, cool. That's three times that people are saying they like it. Okay, so that's now like a potential single that I might run with. So yeah, that's like, I guess before, but if it's like something I'm already like decided I'm going to drop, but I'm not too sure how people are going to receive it. I'll do what we're doing right now is just like put out literally reels after reel after reel and just see how we go from there. So like the real thing is like a new thing for me because like this one love song, I didn't want it to go over the heads, but I also didn't want it to do too much as well because like it's a very short song and it's like, it's a very lyrical that song. So I wanted to just have lyrics in it, just the lyric video, nothing too crazy. So I just, I wasn't too sure, but then seeing the reels come out like the last two, three days. So the first one got like 2.5 and I was like, ah, okay, cool. Like a lot of people like this. The second one's on a K. I just posted one just before I got here. So hopefully I'm going to check that after this and see what it's like. I've never got that sort of engagement before when I first dropped the tape, my initial tape. So just seeing that and I was like, okay, cool. Like this is something I might just keep running and see how I go. Something I ask every creator that I interview almost is would you still do it if you weren't getting the views on social media? 100%. It's never about how many views I get. It's always the main reason that made me start it was the passion. So it doesn't matter. There's always going to be someone that knocks it off. There's one thing I say in my music is always keep your head high. If you always keep your head high, no one will know how much you failed or how much you actually copped wrong. So that's always been a thing. So I could get like 100 views on a video and I would still go push back to be like, can we drop something again in like two months? I don't care, can we try? And you'd be like, yeah, bro, let's do it. I think one thing I've loved about working with Blue is he's generally a creative. You know how you meet people that are like, there's an end goal. But for someone like you, both of you guys are very similar where it's like, you're going to do this regardless of if the views come and if you're going to get paid for it. And to go back to what you were saying before, it's like the creative process. Do you use numbers as a benchmark? Sometimes you find that people shoot themselves on the foot when they use numbers as a benchmark. Like you want to go in creating as purely as possible, whatever comes out the other end is like, that is always a bonus. So the question for you next is when you transition from pure passion, which you hopefully keep because that's the game to then, okay, you have an audience to impress or that is impressed by you. And then do you start feeling a pressure? A little bit. There's always pressure. Even if it's like you're going for a show and you're about to perform, there's always that little nerves that kick in. But it's like that nerves is what's saying, you're not going to flop. You've got this pipe, just be careful. Just do your thing. Just don't do anything too crazy. Don't go over the edge, but do you. So I guess the nerves is always good and it's good because it keeps you on your toes as well. It's like, okay, you got eyes on you. You can't flop the image. You can't flop your message. So you know that little gut feeling or that little butterflies in you, you just go and check yourself real quick. It's always a good thing. It's always a good thing. I never look at it as a bad thing. I tell them every time before I go on stage, they ask me, am I a bit nervous? I'm like, yeah, just a little bit. But they'll be like, nah, you got this, you guys. I'll be like, yeah, no, no, we got this, we got this. And then when I get there, cool. We're shutting it down. We're daping each other on stage. We're going crazy. If you were there for the Eat Me Sweat Show, that was just vibes. I was feeling a bit of nerves before I've never done Metro City. I was feeling a bit of nerves on stage. I was just listening to my music and stuff. And then he's like, you're good, you're good. I was like, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. And then got the stage. He brought me on. He's like, oh, my favorite artist, Baby Boo. And then I was like, all right, cool. Let's go. And then we just like went out through the can into the crowd. It's a bit of a cheat code for blue because I MC almost every event. Yeah, literally. He just gets like, he just gets the blood like. Yeah, like it feels more at home because I'm already up there with him. Yeah, I feel more comfortable in a sense. Yeah. So that big question is something critical for a lot of creators that I've seen, even myself going from doing it for fun completely, completely with no strategy of monetization. I had my full-time job as a school teacher going sweet. I'm set. I can do whatever the fuck I want on the weekends or at night time. And then I started to just share. Man, I would love to be in your class. I would have loved to be in your class. So just sharing it was the difference. And that's what I tell people when they still can't tell me that they can't put one piece of content out a day or even a fucking week. Yeah. And I'm like, oh man, I used to be that. I can't lie. I can't lie. I used to be, he would grab me and be like, bro, you don't make real stuff. Oh my God. Let's don't cut the time. Literally. No, no. I'm sorry. I used to be that guy. But no, I know that's a flop excuse. Don't ever use that excuse. It is. And like, I saw this meme yesterday and it said, how dumb is it that we grew up wanting to do our thing? Now we have to post content on social media to make it work. Yeah. And I'm like, well, shit. It's just the way it is. I know that you didn't do music to be a marketer. But the best greatest of all timers marketed their music. Like Michael Jordan, right? The movie Air. You've seen it. Mom was the reason that he got the night. Yeah. I didn't know that. I was like, what the fuck? I swear that I swear he, I think he mentioned it in, did he not mention that in last dance? I'm pretty sure he mentioned it. I must have missed it. Okay. But no, I was like, you know, but like that, that there is, you know, and he's got charisma. He's got obviously the talent. Yeah. But then, but then you look at other professionals like Conor McGregor, right? Yes. He's got charismatic and stuff. He probably wouldn't have got into their heads. Maybe he would have lost, you know? So there's, there's a, there's an emotional battle. You've got to play. You know, and if you, and if you look confident, you look charismatic, you look like you're a winner. Yeah. That will just come to fruition because people will lean into you. 100%. But if you're going to be closed in and, and say, but I've got the talent, I'm like, fucking show it there. Show me that you have the talent. I don't know that you fucking exist. You're like, I need to see it. Yeah. And like, I remember 20, yeah, late 2018 Instagram stories came out and I'm like, it's like, this is another Snapchat. It's going to be disappearing. Everyone was shitting on that update. And, and I remember, I remember I got told, bro, you doing amazing things. Just do a fucking story about you doing it. Yeah. And then within a few weeks, I had someone say to me, Seth, you're going out taking photos. Can I come along? I'm like, yeah, let's do it. And then three weeks later, I had someone booked in every night. That's crazy. For free. Just for fun. And then my missus said, what, like, can you like stay home one night? I want to hang out. I was like, yeah, true. And then I was like, let's do this once a week. But like with a group of people, right? So that was like a couple of weeks later. I had 20 people rock up, 40 people rock up. And then three months later, I was on the tail end of my third event that had 120 people. That's crazy. What? Yeah. I called it SEVS tours. Okay. I would have seen that on Insta. We went around. We went around Perth taking photos of like random spots around Perth. Then we got models involved. What? And it was a whole thing. And then I went SEVS tours part two. And we did it in Claesbrook. Yeah. And then SEVS tours part three. We did it in Fremantle. That was a fucking vibe. And the way that I marketed that. I was just like making shit up. It was a app called Mojo that released early days. And it was like this cheat code that I had of these templated stories that you can make. And people are like, how are you making these stories? I'm like, Mojo, this fucking template just got all these effects. Is that Mojo's? Yeah, dude. Okay. Like full-on plug. It's like 50 bucks a year. And now it's like this whole thing. Because they've developed it because they've obviously succeeded. I tried to hit them up for a plug because I was an early adopter. That would be crazy. Man, I remember I sat there for a whole day literally for eight hours on my phone because I was so obsessed with this little tool. And I would be like, holy shit, I've got this brilliant idea to make this story for my wedding photography page or something. And then I would be like, all right, find a photo. Bang, bang. I like this effect. Bang, bang, bang. Post. And I would just do it 12, 15 times a day for my wedding photography, for my SEVS tours. And the shit blew up. I love doing it. Yeah, fact. But something unlocked me to go, fuck it. Let's do it. And when you found those other things that like modules and stuff, when you found those things that kind of help to do what you need to do, it just made it easier, right? Yeah. But I had all that time to do that. And I became obsessed. So when the musician says to me, I don't want to market my shit. And I'm like, do you have time to market your shit? Oh, I do. I'm like, well, why the fuck don't you do it? Do you have the money to have someone else do it? Like, no, I don't have any money. Well, like, what the fuck do you want then? Yeah, no. What do you want me to do? It's never, it's never like, oh, man. Okay, look, it's also like the time thing is very important. It's also like here, it's also very costly to kind of promote or market things like that. But like, in all honesty, it's like, if you built certain connections, or if you know certain people, or if some people like you and they bring you along, then definitely like they'll be down to help. They'll be down to push you. It's like it's always just building the relationship first. It's not always the money. You have to be transparent though. I can give you one example that Rack will know exactly what I'm talking about. Maybe you as well. I leaned in and I was like, this is sick. I love this. I will do this for fun. Yeah. Two years later, made it something. Do you know what's crazy? I think I mentioned this to you when we were on the tour in Melbourne. It's the first time I met you. Yeah. And you came into, so I was working at this place called Stateside. So it was in June and you came in. Trying to say the name of the business. Yeah, I was working somewhere, but like, yeah, you came in, you came into store and it was a video of you doing the Mario Kart. You were in the Mario Kart or something. And you had about like a hundred thousand views or something like that. And I always wanted to, because I knew your sister said she came and she showed me. I was like, wait, what? That's your brother? I was like, okay, cool. I was like a hundred thousand and TikTok just kind of like started kind of booming in that sense. So it was like a hundred thousand. I was sick. And then like, literally, what? Has it been two years now? Yeah. It's been about two years and now like you're doing all this. And I was like, damn man, it's like it's a full circle moment for me to see it. So I'm like, this is sick. Like I'm actually really proud to see it, bro. Like it's actually like you've done really well. Thanks bro. Thanks bro. Going back to this whole helping each other thing and if you don't have the time, but you have the money, you have to invest. If you don't have the money, but you have the time, you have to do it yourself and take the time to learn it. And if you have a little bit of money, you have to get someone that knows how to do it to teach you, right? I've done everything under that. And there's times that have been really successful. There's times that have been an absolute waste of time. My time. Yeah, yeah. And sometimes also their time, or not their time, but their money. Yeah. Because they didn't capitalise on it. Yeah. And there are examples out there that I wish I could specifically mention in detail, but I won't. That I'm just like, I hope, I wish you all the best. Yeah, 100 cent. Like fuck me, you fucked it. Yeah, 100 cent. You know? 100 cent. It's just like, it's like back in the day when I started taking photos and for fun with different businesses. And then they're like, oh, thanks for the photos. I remember one specific place. They're a big place. Yeah. Again, not going into detail, but the creative agency, or not the creative agency, the marketing agency, there's nothing creative about this agency at all. They're just a fucking PR place. And they, I got the job through a mate. Yeah. And then I won the videography for it and the photography for it. Yeah. It's a place where you go do stuff and stay there and it's north of the river, and that's all I'll say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can shoot weddings there. Anyway, the place is amazing. I love the place. The internal teams that were in charge, amazing. But the fucking marketing agency they hired, shit the fucking bed. No, that's so bad. And that was my first taste of, well that sucks for them. My photos were amazing, but they uploaded them like shit. And with shit captions and the videos that they posted, because my mate was collabing with me. He did all the droning stuff. Okay, yeah. Just shit house. Okay, yeah. And I'm like, you guys are getting paid to do this and you're not doing it. And then that's my art that you're putting behind it. So that's what kind of motivated me to start up a little bit more of like a workshop sort of thing. True. To empower the brands or the businesses to go, okay, you need to learn how to do this yourself or if you hire someone else you need to learn if they're shit or not. Yeah, facts. Because if a creator makes something and they post it and it's shit, what marketing agencies tend to do is blame it on the creator, not themselves. They burn the creator and then they keep going. But what they're really doing is burning the money the whole time for their clients. That's true. So going back to you and this industry and the music industry, like man, like you've done a couple of music videos. Yeah. And what is the difference between putting out music without a music video versus one with? It depends, man. If it's like something you really want to pop, you want to have a video with it. Something that you really want to take off or get playlisted or get uncharted or whatever the case is you need to have like a boom in video with that. Yeah, hard. It just helps this. Like you said, marketing, it just helps big with marketing. Marketers or labels or ever see it. You can see your face. You can see the aesthetic of your music and see what you bring to your music and the people, how they take in your music, whether they're dancing or they're vibing, jumping, whatever the case is, how the music video is. It just helps having a music video. But if it's something that like, you just want to release it, spend some time, like, you know, you just want to drop a couple of singles out. You can. You can do lyric videos. I would say it's always best to have a video, like visualize a lyric video or music video. It's just always best to have. Just because like, as much as they can just hear it in their ears, they want to see something too. Yeah. And nowadays people love seeing stuff more than just hearing it. You know what I mean? So if they can see it and hear it, you won their heart to 100%. I think it's a benefit to the creative or whoever's putting the video out. People need to see that what your vision is for the song. Yeah. Right? Like, even if it's a visualizer, like what characters are in the visualizer? It's like a visual aid. Exactly. It gives the audience like an idea. Like this person's this kind of person, sort of thing. Love that. Love that. It's like, you know how when you watch a movie the first time you don't get it? But like when you watch it again, you'll get it again. Just from the context and stuff. So it's like when you hear the song without the music video, you don't really understand the full picture. But when you see the video, you get the full picture. Yeah. Debbie does Dallas a third time. It was an absolute. It made more sense. Blue's so young, he doesn't understand that reference. The way the room just started laughing, I was just like, oh, okay, wait. Is that like an old school? No, we're not going there. It's old school. Old school, bro. It's very old school. Very old school. 80s. Golden age. So now that we're here and you put out some music, you're putting out some more music soon. 100%. Yeah. So I've got a single coming out this Saturday. Oh. Yeah. So on the 7th it's coming out. It's called One Love. It's on. Friday? Saturday. Saturday. It's Friday. It's my birthday. The 7th. The 7th of Friday. Sorry, my bad. Oh, fun fact, guys. The 7th of the 7th is actually Saturday. It's my day. Wow. See, there's a lot of things happening. It's actually my actual birthday. Yeah. See, this is why I chose the perfect day. The synergy. There's a lot of things happening on this day. So it comes up this Friday. Savos day. Rex birthday. Jordan James birthday as well. Oh. Yeah. Birthday for BT. Yeah. Big circle jerk. Yeah. So we've got a couple of shows happening on the weekend as well. The 7th of July is when it's dropping. It's got a music video to it. It's more of a music video like video with it. So you can learn the lyrics if you want to sing along. But it's more of a freestyle in a sense. Something just to kind of put the past all together and then kind of show what's happening and what's going to happen in the future or what's about to happen in a sense. But yeah, like it's like my first single in a while. So it's the first single to I think four or five that we've got planned. So there's a whole story behind each of them. I hope you guys stay tuned and keep listening because yeah, we've got videos coming out every day of the day. So yeah, definitely. So I've got this first one. And then, yeah, I'll probably send you the link so you can listen to it. But I won't stream it out. I'm excited. So he'll get the private links. But yeah, no. You're in the video set. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You're actually in the video. Yo, yeah. He actually made the cut into the video. He did. He did. We're all vibing in the airport. I went up to dab everyone. So Seb's in that one. Makes a little cameo. Rex in that one. You might see a lot of big dogs so yeah, no, stay tuned. That comes out this Friday. In the morning. Yeah. I'm guessing in the morning. It depends. It might come out Thursday night. It's a busy day, sir. I think hopefully when we've uploaded it. Do you know what? Do you know what makes it easier if you follow me on Spotify and makes it 10 times easier and no one would have to run my help. I mean, you do a pre-save. Give me a pre-save. Yes, there's a pre-save link. There's a pre-save link? Pre-save link in my bio and pre-save link all over my Instagram. Pre-save, the link will be in this episode on YouTube and the Spotify. Look up Baby Blue on IG and you'll find everything you need. Just go to the description of whatever you're listing this on. You'll be fine. Yeah, I got you. I got you. Well, I don't. Ryan's got you. Okay. Thank you. So a little bit of value to the audience. All right? I'm a young rapper or wannabe rapper or thinking about doing rapping. Yeah. Where do I start? Man. I'm starting where you want to be. Like... That's kind of how Blue started, right? No, no. No, honestly, like... If you... Man, if you just want to start making music or just recording off the bat and you've never done it before, just find what you want to make. Like, find the sound you want to make. If you find the sound you want to make, find someone that's either in the industry or know someone that's in the industry and pass them your stuff. Get them to listen to you. Like, I met... Like before, I got my shit off. I met Rack ages ago. Ages ago when he was doing interviews with my brother and stuff. But we never had a relationship going on about music and stuff. And then after my brother left and stuff, like, I don't have anyone to kind of send music to. So I was just making music because just writing, making music, making music with my guys. And then one day I called Rack. I was like, hey, bro, do you want to... Can I come over? Can I just show you some stuff? And he was like, yeah, bro, for sure. So I went over, showed him some stuff and he was like, man, you speak like an old guy. Like, you talk like an older man. You talk about life lessons and stuff. And I was like, oh, no, thank you. But he was like, yeah, bro, like, I can see something with this. Let's get it going. And it was just off that one conversation that all of this kind of got built off in a sense. But like, yeah, if you're just starting off and you don't know where to start, find the sound. Once you find the sound and you know what you want to talk about and you know what you want to do, bring it up to people. If you find someone on it, like, prep is so local, bro. Like, you can find anyone. You can find myself. You can message me and be like, yo, can I come record? I'll be like, yeah, I'm done. Like, show me what you got. Fuck. All right, pay your DMs. You know what I'm saying? Like, we've got a studio literally across the street from you. So it's like, it's very close by for anyone. Like, if you're new, you want to come record. Don't dox me into this shit. No, no, no. It's not this studio. But we got one right across the street. It's a full studio. It's a new one. Come on, kids. Rock it up in my door. No, no, no. If you guys want to hop into the mic, do you want to record? Do you want to make something? You see yourself being an artist in a couple years. Hit me up. I think the one thing that comes to mind is you got to actually, like, really want to do this and hustle your arse off. Like, it's not easy to get off your feet. I think you... Like, a lot of people think it's as easy as recording a song and then putting it up there and Spotify and then hoping for the best. Oh, man, if you come on... It's going to be 360 all the time. If you come into the studio and you can't flow on the beat, I'm making you pay for the session. If you come to the studio and you can't flow on the beat, you're not paying for the session. Yes. If you come to the studio and you can't flow on the beat, you're getting laughed out of that studio session. Yeah, badly. And then you paint the invoice to it. Bro, if I can record... I've had your song. It's a doggy dog world, man. I've had your song. So, quick story. So, when we were about to leave Melbourne, Sev decided he was going to, you know, make a song. And he did. He did. He made a whole... It was a whole minute. It was a whole minute or two. A minute 30, I think. A minute 30. It was under the Instagram Reels stretch hold. Yeah. And he was the first artist I've seen shoot in an airplane with no one ever questioning him about anything. So, he shot in an airplane. Shoot in an airplane? He shot in an airplane. He wrote the song. The Russians are coming. And then he put it all together within what, the three hours we were flying. And then as soon as we landed, he showed me the video and I was like, what the fuck? And he was like, yeah, I'm going to start dropping music. The reason why I initially said... You're about to have said a lot of people if you did that. The reason why I initially said, oh, no, was because I thought you were going to talk about the rap that Sev wrote in the band about me throwing his toothbrush away. That's what it is for today. No, but like, I've seen you make something. So it's like, again, when you want to go back to about making time, it's like everyone's got their time. Like I used to make that excuse of I never had the time. So it's like... That's why I made that. I know like the rapping thing isn't like, I mean, fuck. I mean, I've got a rap name now, Sev and Yon Blanc. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the name, Sev and Yon Blanc. Yeah, that's the one. I was sitting next to J-Dog and Stan and they just started piercing themselves. No, that was too funny. And just like before we took off... And you chose the best two guys to do it with J-Dog, right? No, that was actually the funniest. Yeah, the crew got amongst it and then like it was just a whole movie. But like... I love the dance moves in that video. The twisting and the wine bottle. But you know, like I've shown some people this, like some young people who are getting into the rap game and they looked at it like, what the fuck? But then I'm like... But in their head it's like... What have you done? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you see Sev, the thing is like when you show them that, I bet you they would be like, what the fuck? But in their head it's like itching. It's like, damn, this guy just took like three hours to make this whole world. I can't make it real. Exactly. Like, you know what I mean? No, no, it's a hundred percent. God, no excuse. Like I will make the dumbest shit in your niche, in your industry, and then I'll flex on you saying, I have done one thing, you have done zero. If you're gonna shit on my one thing, because I have no right to be in that space, that space, I don't give a fuck. You're completely invisible in that space. Because you haven't poured out anything, you know? Or got anyone attracted to it. Yeah, a hundred percent. And if you put out another hundred of the nothings, a hundred times nothing is still nothing. You know, fuck. Look man, if you can study stocks, you can study marketing and music. It's very simple. It's not as hard as stocks. So you can definitely do that. So it's not that hard, a hundred percent. I learned it the hard way, and looking me now I'm here with Sev. So that's how you go, you know, when you start doing something. That's it. So what else is there on the horizon for you? Man. And before you answer that, can we get the red mic going? I've got the segment. It's just in the bag, at the back of the table. Yeah, what's coming on? I mean, apart from the music stuff, a whole lot of relationship building and connection making, man, for myself. Oh. You're good, you're good. Yeah, connection building and relationship making. Sure. Oh, wow. Do I hold this? No, not yet. The segment hasn't started. Go on. Yeah. So what's in store for me, apart from the music and stuff, is definitely meeting a lot more artists to your future with. Travel. Building a relationship with them. Travel a lot more. I'm trying to go down to, like, Mayans or Southeast Asia, do like Malaysia, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Singapore, tapping a bit more there in the industries as well. Yeah, man. Just a whole lot we've got planned. I don't want to give out too much of the blueprint, because we've got to... The blueprint. Yeah, exactly. See? The name just works, man. Damn it. That's going to have to be the name of the next project. Hey, look, Jay's here about to send me a lawsuit, bro, if I did that. No, no, no. You spell it with EU, not you. Yeah, true. True. I could do that. Shout out, Jay. But, like, no, definitely, man, there's quite a bit more and, like, obviously, we've got, like, you guys on board now, so we'll have you guys doing a lot more and we can see a lot more from each other. So, yeah, man, I'm kind of keen, man. It's been a while, so I've waited quite a bit, so let's do this, yeah. All right. We're going to the speed round of the red mic, so bring that up to the mouth. You still need the other mic because that's the actual mic. Oh, there you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not plugged into anything. It's just a feature. Oh, no, no. And then, yeah, so keep it up to you. So we've got this section of the red mic. If you're watching on YouTube, you get to visually see this because it's cooler and I'll probably make a snippet about this. So, do not overthink the answers. Okay. Quick fire answers as well. Damn. All right, let's go. All right, here we go. We've got the dream venue to drop a concert. Optostadium. Optostadium. Anywhere in the world and it's Optostadium. Optostadium, I told you. My city, bro. Respect. Respect. One day, Cootie's making a doco about you like it did for Kanye. Ooh. But it's an actor that's going to be playing you. Which actor will play you in your own documentary? Hasan Minhaj. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. If you had any female artist that you would do a sex scene with, who would it be? Oh, shit. It'd be my queen. I like it. I like it. Beyonce, man. I would... I would... Same. Favorite food to chow down on after a good stint at Bright Tank? Oh, man. Can it be a restaurant? Yeah. Uncle Billy's. Number one spot. We have to go to Uncle Billy's now. Yeah. 100%. We have to do it after a night out. We have to. All of us. Okay. So Uncle Billy's for the audience in Northbridge, Chinatown is the spot to go after a night out. 100%. If you are under the age of 25, you'd probably go to Maccas or some fucking kebab shop. But Uncle Billy's is where you go. Oh, face. 2 a.m. My order is deep fry tentacles. Yeah. Oh, yes. Straight up. Yes. There's a dish called Singapore Mi Phong. Yes. Which is all-time. And then there's another one called Ho Phong. Depending on how much. I know which are the Ho Phong. It's like thicker noodles with beef. Yeah. Then you've got the prawn crackers. Yes. A staple. Yeah. If you feel on the fried rice, then you get the fried rice. Mm-hmm. Sweet and sour pork. Yeah. And if you really want to eat a lot, I would probably put in some bow buns or something. Yeah, we're together, bro. What? Fuck, I'm hungry now. Literally. Bro, like the lady there, she's been there forever. Yeah, they're so nice. Yeah, they're actually lovely people. Everything is a Stevie Wonder photo. Stevie Wonder photo. Yeah. I love it. I love it. All right. We'll continue the quick-fire rounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Favorite movie? Favorite movie. Oh, can it be like Trilogy? Yeah. Star Wars. Star Wars. I'm a big Star Wars guy. Yeah. Fan of Jar Jar or no? Oh, I'm a fan of Jar Jar. Yeah. Jar Jar Binks? Yeah. Yeah, of course. Of course. But my favorite out of all, definitely be Anakin. Oh, yeah. Understand? But I love R2-D2 and C-3PO as a duo. They just like, they just made the movie so awesome. I don't know, over the years, they just made things look like family related. So that's why I kind of like the grown up. Yeah. Yeah, no, definitely. Anakin R2-D2 and C-3PO. Love that. The most underrated rapper in the city? Hashtag no-hate ever. Oh, In the game. Okay. In the game, in the game, in the game, in the game, in the game, most overrated rapper, no-hate. That's not, no-hate. I really don't have hate like that. Alright, let's go most underrated. Most underrated rapper. Wow. Right now, for myself, I'd say Sofuego. Okay. Or if, anything it would be Nancy Foxx, okay? Yeah, 100%. I have no idea who that is. Nancy Foxx is UK, so if you ever like like Playboy Cardi and stuff, you should listen to him, he does like this cool ambient noise and stuff, but like no, he's cool, he's cool, sick. But yeah, those two 100%. And if you weren't rapping or making music, what would you be doing? Business, be making companies or signing deals or owning parts of companies. I love business, like that's what music and business pretty goes pretty well together. But yeah, no, if I wasn't doing music, I'll do business. Yeah, 100% man. Love that. That's the red mic. Let's go. That's the red mic. And then finally, this could be an extended answer if you want. One piece of advice. Wow. If to anybody, what would it be about anything? Look, a lot of people would give a lot of advice. The one thing I could only say is, and the one thing I always say in my music is this line, keep your head up high. I think I mentioned it just a bit before as well. It doesn't matter what you're going through. Doesn't matter how many times you fall down, how many times you make mistakes, just keep your head high and no one can tell how many times you've fallen, as long as you keep your head high and keep pushing everyone things you want. So that's my only advice and the best advice I could give you. Honestly. Yeah. I love that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And we've got the Bright Tank Lagers, the East Perth Lager, voted best Lager in the country by the Brewers. 100%. What a fucking flex. I know, right? And I hear there's another Lager coming out soon by Bright Tank. I'm excited. Double chalk faces. Oh, oh, oh. No, no, no. So something I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm excited about that. That's going to be. I know, right? Yeah. Bright Tank family building. So shout outs to them. And then shout outs to my boy, Tyler. Jargon with a Nasterist. Press shirt. The fucking quality of these shirts, man. That's clean. That's actually clean. Like I've just noticed recently like different shirts that I've been given or purchased. Like everything that CAB pulls out. Yeah. Yeah. Quality is good. Yeah. Yeah. But like Tyler's specifically his brand. Jukuhara fucking L. He's gone under the wing with Kavana and stuff at the moment, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. I've seen him quite a bit now. Shout outs to this thread. Good times. And for anybody listening, check out Baby Blue on all platforms description to his Instagram. And then from there, his link in bio will take you everywhere. Pre-save this. We're going to fast forward this podcast. We'll release it right now. So if you're hearing us, this will probably be on the same day. Yeah. Good luck to my producer. And then, yeah, you can actually interact in the comments of the YouTube episode. Ask Baby Blue a question. That's cool. Or in Spotify, you can actually ask a question in this episode as well. Other than that, all the best. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me, my man. Look at this. It's been amazing. Thank you for including me in your music video. No, of course. Of course. Of course. Oh, it's my guy. All right. And special guest in the background with Rack. Yeah. Big pimp. I call him Big Pimp now. Big pimp? Yeah. Yeah. Big pimp. Because he's both of our managers. He's both of our managers. So shout outs to Rack now a second time, a two-time appearance on the podcast. Let's go. Down. But yeah, as always, there he is there. You're going to have to work. As always, guys. Good. Thanks.