 is the minutes from, are the minutes from last meeting? And anybody have comments? Good to me. Yeah. I agree. Okay. I move we accept the meetings from the April meeting. Second. I could second it. All in favor. Aye. Aye. No opposed. Okay. All eyes. No opposed. Any abstentions? Okay. So next on the agenda is. COVID. Yes. All day every day. Yeah. Yeah. So I, uh, you know, I'm sure you're all. You know, completely tuned into this watching the news and, you know, reading things online, um, I guess in terms of Amherst. So we still have our core team, which is, um, the town manager, assistant town manager, finance director, um, police chief, fire chief, superintendent of public works. Um, we were meeting seven days a week. Um, then we went down to five days a week. Now we're kind of at three days a week and as needed. Um, because, uh, We've sort of hit this, this place where it's not like there are. Tons of things we need to talk about every day. Um, That'll probably change. I don't, you know, we're all, of course, talking about what the governor will say on Monday, what he'll release. Um, I don't know if people saw the, um, press conference today. Um, Not yet. Yeah. I've been listening to those in the evening. Actually, I like governor Baker's press. Yeah, they're pretty interesting. Um, yeah, I usually don't get to hear them until much later, but today I was particularly interested, um, because we're fat fast coming on Monday. So you'll find it's very. Very interesting. There's a lot about testing. Um, which is what he said yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. So some, um, testing is going to be ramping up that. I think it's 10 CVS is around the state. One of them's in North Hampton. People will be able to drive up to the window and get a, um, A self swab stick. Um, so of course all of this is, is balanced with, um, you know, really trying to learn what the efficacy of all these tests are also. Yeah. So, you know, this is a new test. Um, so we'll see, but getting back to, um, yeah, so we have our core meeting, um, where we have, you know, sort of pivoted to talking more about what will reopening look like, um, for town government, and what will be happening in the future. Um, I think it's been, um, it's been, um, it's been, um, it's been passed as well as for the town in general. Um, Uh, of course, one of the big topics the past. A couple of weeks has been masks because it's, um, It's been confusing to people and, um, You know, there was this point where different towns were doing different things and a lot of public health folks, they were doing different things. Um, and the governor really heard that. Um, So we're, You know, from a municipal side, the town manager is pushing for that with a, he's on a, one of the reopening, a small committee, not the major reopening committee, but he's on a small manager committee. Um, where they're really pushing for things to be, um, to be kind of statewide because of the fact that even though things are different, for example, in Western mass right now than Eastern mass, what you're going to see is if we don't all pretty much do the same thing that people are just going to travel to different places. And of course that will happen statewide. I don't know if you know of anybody who was dying to go get their hair done in New Hampshire on, I guess it was Monday, but, um, you know, it's, uh, Yeah. So, um, So, uh, Let's see. So twice a week, we've been having these little radio shows. I know Steve often attends. It's from 12 to 12 30. Um, I talk on Thursday with Paul, try and give a bit of an update. People ask questions. Um, and then on Tuesdays, we usually have someone else. Um, this week it was the superintendent of public works to give people a chance to ask questions and to sort of get information out to the community a little bit. Um, we're probably going to be decreasing those to once a week because, um, The information gets archived, but then it gets old and we're not getting that many attendees. So, um, We spent, um, A lot of time, uh, in the past. I don't know, seven weeks, eight weeks, working on, um, Um, Our homeless community and the homeless shelter. Um, The shelter has closed. Um, you, I don't know if you've seen this. I couldn't have talked about it last month. No, no. Yeah. So we did the testing at the shelter and then, um, We tested in Amherst and North Hampton and then Springfield was having some trouble getting ramped up. Then they did all their testing and what has been, um, It's interesting is that at this point, our homeless population, um, in this section, you know, the pioneer, the lower pioneer valley and, um, Handing. We're not seeing high rates at all of disease among our homeless folks. Now there are places that haven't tested. Greenfield has not tested. I think last I heard, had heard kids filled hadn't either. Um, but that was pretty unexpected. And, uh, you know, we were very concerned about all these congregate settings where the ability to social distance just has not been great. Um, so now we're pivoting to look at what are needs needs of homeless folks during, um, The summertime. Um, and then of course they'll be thinking about what happens when next shelter season rolls around again. Um, so yeah, so a lot of work had gone into, um, preparing for that testing, creating the possibility of opening a quarantine shelter at Hampshire. Um, so that has just been, um, That quarantine shelter has just been deconstructed because we didn't have to put anyone in there. Um, which was actually just so remarkable. Um, And, uh, so. As I said that, you know, this, we've now sort of pivoted to summertime. Um, another issue that's just beginning to come up is the concept that, um, Cooling centers happen in the summertime sometimes. Which is being brought up as an issue for folks experiencing homelessness. Though. Frequently the, the, if a really big need we see is for people who live in apartment buildings. Um, who need to get out because they don't have air conditioning. We've often used public places. So, um, That's something that we will be looking at. Um, it's a complex one as we're now looking at, um, Air flow and what it means in buildings, um, and having people in buildings. Uh, let's see what else to update you on. Well, maybe I should open up to questions and then you'll help steer the conversation. Um, on this wide topic. Julie, I really enjoyed those. Got a lot out of those, uh, Community chat sessions that you participated in. One thing that came up today was in the future of contact tracing. Uh, if that requires people, you said that there's pretty much being done now by Jen. Uh, and by the school nurses, but if it involves the partners in health, uh, contact tracing, there's a problem because people are not picking up their phone. And, and I just thought that was kind of interesting because people around here are not going to pick up a random 800 number. You know, because there's too much spam, too much unwanted calls. So how's that going to work? Well, the state is trying to roll out this whole, um, answer the call kind of, uh, um, You know, PSA to get people to answer the phone, but it's a tough one, right? So, um, I don't know. I don't know. I just spent years like trying to avoid 800 numbers and trying to avoid, um, like these callers, like when we don't know who it is. Right. So is there a caller ID that represents the. The organization, like that says cold mass COVID something or I don't know. That's what the governor says. They said it's supposed to. It's supposed to. Um, I think what they're finding so far is it doesn't always. Yeah. And so then you get these 800 numbers. Um, And they won't leave a message, right? They won't leave a message because of privacy concerns. Right. Right. Um, So, um, so. You know, this CTC has been being built up over the week. Now, um, and just people have, there are so many minds working on this because. There's just so many levels at which. It needs to work. Right. Um, And two of the big ways are that it has to interface with everything else we already do around contact tracing. Which normally happens through our electronic disease surveillance system. Maven. So it's like making these two interfaces talk to each other. Um, and a lot of headway has been made on that. Um, But then this other piece of. Um, Getting people to pick up the phone, getting people to feel comfortable. I mean, that's something that public health nurses have done for, for decades. Um, you know, and, uh, It's, it's hard even when it's, um, you know, normally, for instance, when we call it says town of Amherst calling a lot of people pick up because they're like, Oh, what is it? You know, But then there are people who don't because they're nervous. Um, and so, uh, We've, you know, nurses have found ways to be creative about getting people to call us back. Sometimes we've left notes at people's homes. So, um, I think that, um, the CDC will continue to develop its skills. Um, and there's this great, um, Sort of communication with, with the public health nurses, with the health department. So, um, There's a case of peers and, um, A local public health nurse like Jennifer, one of our school nurses has the opportunity to, Until 10 o'clock in the morning, the next day to say, um, That they want to take the case. So, you know, Until we're overwhelmed, we're taking those cases. Otherwise it can get popped off to the CTC. Um, so I think what's important about that is, um, Having that for us, I'm not going to, um, So I think what's important about that is, um, Having that for us, I'm looking at it partly for now, it's like a backup kind of thing because, um, You know, if we get overwhelmed or if it's a weekend and eventually, you know, we want to start having some, Some time on weekends when we're not doing this. Um, Then the CTC will be able to step in there. Um, and I think, uh, You know, we're getting updates on the CTC four or five times a week. Jen is on two conference calls directly about Maven and the CTC. I'm on to about the CTC and the state and other parts of public health around, around COVID. So, um, Given how quickly this is ramped up, I think we're going to get there. Um, and so, um, But on the other hand, what we're really looking at right now in Amherst is that, um, Our caseload is not that high and we've been able to, um, Keep up with cases and to do the contact tracing. Um, and there's something about that familiarity of the public health nurse who knows the town and the school nurses that frequently, Um, We're reaching out to someone that they know or have a sense of or a sense of the family. And, um, So, um, I think that's that's one of the strengths of our public health system in Massachusetts for those towns that do have active health departments as we know our communities. Um, of course, it's really hard in smaller towns where they just don't have the ability to do that. Um, So, um, I think what the CTC provides is all the languages, which is terrific. Um, because of course, This is a very international community as is a lot of Massachusetts. So having that language ability is just going to be phenomenal. Julie, um, Does the town handle contact tracing follow up with the university of Massachusetts. Employees or students or as university health services have a role there. Um, And I think that's a great way to start with the university. Um, that's really kind of unique. Um, The university and the town of Amherst. Um, Can share cases in this electronic system. Um, and can view each other's cases. So, um, And Becker, who is our, um, Public health nurse at UMass. Um, And I think that one and myself have always been able to view what's going on. And so, um, UMass is following up with, um, With a lot of the cases, but there are these times when there's an overlap. And so just like with other kinds of diseases where there might be an overlap. So an example in another time would be if you have someone who's, Um, Then it's sort of shared that, that work to, um, To work with that student and then the workplace. Um, so it's, it's a little more complex with COVID. Um, but there's great communication between, um, The two public health departments basically around that. Um, The, the start of contact tracing is based on a positive finding, right? Correct. Um, Is changing a little bit now. Um, so the state just released some guidance that, um, So we're starting to see. What are called probable cases. Um, And so, um, Um, They may have had, they've had serology done some of them. And so serology, a blood test is showing you. Um, Did someone have it? Sometime. Yeah. We don't know. Like are they currently sick? So those are begin being considered probable. And with this increase in testing opportunities, the idea is that probable folks should then get tested. If they're negative. So the idea, the ideal is that a serology test and, um, A test for disease are actually going to happen at about the same time. If possible. If not very close together so that you're getting that a lot of data that's useful, But you're also finding out is that person currently infected and therefore needing to be in isolation. People returning from international. Places that. Yeah, from international in general. Particularly if they're from a place, maybe they were sick there or, um, or, or don't know. We're sick. Did or didn't get a test. And they're, they're arriving in Amherst. Does that induce a contact tracing event to you? Does the town want to know about it? It's a good question. I know this is happening to some of my faculty. So I'm, I'm curious. They were on sabbatical there coming back. And, uh, I want to know an answer for them. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, early on there were those notifications for foreign travel. And we were interfacing with them. That's not happening right now. Um, I, I, it is interesting when you look at, um, Especially a university community. And I don't, you know, I am. Thinking that the university is making policy around that. That people would self-point. There's. Yeah. There's guidance there. I just didn't know if the. Yeah. You want to start, you know, induce a contact tracing event because of that. No, it doesn't. Yeah. Okay. Because again, so your contact tracing, you know, I mean, they're just like, you know, You know, You're not going to be able to do that anymore. You want to start, you know, induce a contact tracing event because of that. No, it doesn't. Um, okay. Because again, so your contact tracing events stems from a positive test. Or like we're saying these probably, probably. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Makes sense. Great. I have a question after our last meeting. I sent an email, but I don't know if you got it. and then there was something in the newspaper. How are things there? Okay, I'm sorry if I didn't reply. I've gotten a lot of emails. Yeah, but I figure. Yes, so the Center for Extended Care we've been in touch with since way back in the beginning. I don't have my date, but I wanna say it was the first week in April and the March. And they have great systems in place. So early on, they had four people that they tested a long time in the beginning, even though they didn't really think that they even had COVID, but they wanted to do just an initial sort of test of anyone whose symptoms were kind of changing from their regular respiratory status. And those four or five folks came back negative. What happens for nursing homes around the state is whenever an event is happening, so normally it might be an event at one nursing home, a daily reporting system is triggered, which is called MAT. And I have forgotten what that stands for, but as soon as coronavirus started, all the nursing homes had to start notifying the state once a day through the MAT program. And so that goes to the nursing home sort of oversight piece that is located within the Department of Public Health. And so as a center for extended care began to get cases, once they reached, I believe it was four cases, that becomes what we call a cluster of disease. And so then a state epidemiologist was assigned to that cluster. So now there's sort of two overlays of oversight for the center for extended care. Meanwhile, our fire department keeps in close touch with the Arbor's and with center for extended care because they're partners with them all the time because of calls. And so they have great relationships with them. And Jennifer Brown also is in constant communication with the two nurse managers at those facilities. So, and there's a piece where when nursing homes need equipment, they have two routes where they can get PPE or sanitizing supplies. One of their routes is through the fire department who can order things through MIMA. So we keep in very close contact with them about how they're doing on PPE, how they're doing on supplies, how their staff are doing. So about 10 days ago, a week from this previous Saturday, they had some people who were out sick, people who'd been tested or were in quarantine. So they contacted DPH and in two hours, the rapid response team, which comes out to help nursing homes was out there. They brought an RN and a few CNAs to help them fill the gaps with staffing. So, and I've been in close touch with the administrator and Jennifer and I both with the nursing supervisor. And they've done really a great job there. They are in contact with families daily. They've now created an entire email listserv for all the families to be able to get in touch with them that way also because as they get busier, answering the phone does become a problem. They had early on started window chats, like if you could come to the glass front door and people could talk through and have an iPad and that kind of thing. So they're really trying to do all the communication with families. When they got their first cases, they created an isolation ward in one of their wings that was had 18 beds. And as they got more patients who were testing positive for COVID, they were able to open a second wing. They have dedicated staff who care for the folks on those wings. And so, I have felt really good about their preparedness and their response. It's very difficult as we're seeing in all the congregate settings like this, that you've got a lot of staff coming in and even though they were doing all the temperature checks and symptom checks, clearly the disease got in there and when it's there, it's insidious. But they have an excellent medical director and they are, I think they're working really hard to care for everyone who's there to do the best they can to control this. An Applewood's okay? Yes, an Applewood. Jennifer and I are also in touch with Applewood. Applewood's an independent living. So it's a different kind of beast. No, they don't let visitors in. That I do know. Oh yeah, they've got great protocols in place and they're part of Loomis villages so they have an entity or two, I think in South Hadley. And yeah, so I talk with the administrator. I've spoken with the nurse there. They have really good protocols in place. People are wearing masks. People, they've done all kinds of screening, no visitors. They're doing a great job. As is the Arbor's. They have everything in place that they should have. So, of course I really worry about these places where we have some of our oldest folks. Another update is the housing authority which operates in Wayland house and then some other smaller places where we've got elders, DHCD, the department of housing. Community development, yeah. Thank you. Just made available 15 N95s for all folks living in housing authorities in the state plus some other supplies. And so the housing authority is being very closely watched over by DHCD and of course we're in communication with them also. I have a friend of mine, his mom, turned 98 last week in the Arbor's. 98, wow, yeah. Wow. There's a friend of mine from third grade onward who happens to have worked at UMass as well. Oh my goodness. He turned 65 yesterday. His mother was turned 98 the week before, so. Wow. There's old and there's old. There's old. Exactly. We're really learning that, aren't we? That's right, that's right. Oh my goodness. I heard of some concern about migrant farm workers. Have you heard anything about that in Amherst? That's interesting. I haven't. It was sort of a secondhand thing I heard about people headed to Waitley, I think, but they were coming in carpools from elsewhere. And maybe some of them had tested positive. Again, I don't have data. I just have the question. Yeah. We don't, I don't know. We have, migrant farm workers have not been particularly present or visible that I know of in Amherst over time. Amherst is an expensive place to live, so it doesn't tend to be where people are living. A lot of times they're living at the farm also. So I don't know. It's not something that I've... There used to be a house slash barn on Southeast Street where some folks lived with it. I guess it's H. Well, I don't know what the visas are, but anyway. East or Northeast? South. On Southeast. Yeah, but not recently. Actually not in the last few years, I would say. Yeah. I mean, it's certainly a population to be concerned about. And I know there is a farm worker association. They're based out of Springfield, but of course they spread out all over, but that's not all I know. Yeah. Let's see, what else do I have? You know, I'm just so steeped in it sometimes. Julie, I'm curious if the police or anybody else, much, this is a cut moment respect to masks and human behavior. There definitely were social gatherings, I'd say, of young people related to graduation. We did a virtual graduation from, I did for my department for, and there were definitely some students at places, you know, from their video feed on Zoom, that they were with a group of their colleagues, and as you might expect. But, and they weren't practicing the things one would practice. And I know groups, you know, who lived, people who lived in the same house, made decisions and I've heard different, you know, things that made sense to me. I'm just curious if there's been any level of negative interactions or observations or whatever. No real negative interactions. There have been, you know, people calling up, worried, concerned, you know, saying, oh my gosh, they're not doing it. It's a little complicated. Say the least, a lot. So one thing is that, that the police chief has been educating us about is, you really can't go into private property and say to folks, you can't be doing that right there. That's one piece of it. So the parties, yeah. And then, you know, it's really this larger piece of, how do you get, you know, folks, young folks to comply to this, comply with this? It's a really hard thing. I mean, it's just so difficult. And so we're really taking an education approach to it. So the officers are, you know, been trained by the chief that this is all about, you know, trying to get folks to do the right thing. You know, we don't wanna cause bad altercations and things like that. And for me, so much of it goes back to, just like everything else we always try to enforce is that the minute we're gone, people do what they're gonna do. So it's really best to take an educational approach, if any help in changing the behavior. Now, as we move forward and more businesses open up, I mean, we are seeing things around the country and even some around the state where there are, there are altercations and problems. So, you know, it's something that we do talk about, about how we move forward. I think a big piece about masks is the fact that the commissioner of public health has written out her guidance for implementing this order and people who can't wear a mask for some reason. You know, some people can't breathe well enough, they've got COPD, they have bad asthma, they have other things that trigger them wearing a mask. And so it's difficult because people get upset if they see someone who's not wearing a mask. And yet there is this ability to make a choice and it does not require any kind of documentation. There's no ID that you get that says but I don't have to wear a mask, anything like that. So it's a difficult thing. I mean, I think what we're really mostly looking at is a cultural shift here. And I think that Amherst has been doing a great job, frankly. What's gonna happen if UMass opens and we have 20,000 people return to Amherst? Well, I think there are many, many task force at Amherst looking at what will school look like in the fall, just like they are at Amherst College. We've seen Hampshire say they're gonna open and they're planning for that. I think that this will be something that will be a true partnership in the town with the fact that there may be lots of people coming back. What would that look like? How would we, how are people gonna be kept healthy? And it's a huge, huge, I'm sure John and Timothy are really aware of these discussions. It's just seems mind boggling how you do that. But we do have a great relationship with the university. So as we do with our other two institutions, so it will be a partnership. We'll be open to the question of who'll be here is a different one. Right. That's for sure. We'll be in the field of education, but who's gonna be here is a big question. Yeah. You're seeing announcements happen. I think somebody told me that Harvard said yesterday we're gonna be remote California State University day before that. So there's a lot of things happening. Yeah. Julie, can I go back to the testing for a moment? Yeah. The CVS testing. Do you need to have an order to be tested from a doctor or medical provider? Or is that just if you wanna be tested, you drive up to CVS? Thank you for that question, because it's interesting. You know, I grabbed this from Governor Baker this afternoon, but on my calls with the Department of Public Health where one of our great state epi's is always talking, she's been talking a lot about testing. She keeps reiterating that, yes, you do need a provider. Yeah. So they didn't talk about that in the call. And so I'm not sure how that's all gonna work out. I guess the concept is this is just to increase testing capacity, make it simple, make it so there's not so much PPE that has to be used. Governor Baker made a really good point. Right. He just take the swab and... Yeah. And you don't need the staff, it's just gonna sew. But yes, I'm assuming this is not gonna negate anything about a provider because... Do you know, have a sense of where you dropped, how you return your swab or how that part works? Yes, I can't remember if you said it in or something. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I just sort of grabbed this little bit. It's the first I'd heard of it. Yeah, right. Well, it's something to watch, yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, it's pretty interesting and he's really excited about it. He says you can start signing up tomorrow, but I thought about it yesterday. Maybe I should go look at CVS's website. Yeah. Did you... Yesterday's press conference was at a community health center in New Bedford and it was active, but it wasn't as active as you might have thought. I mean, only a few cars came through in the time that the governor was there. That was the backdrop behind him speaking. I see. That was interesting, yeah. I mean, cars did come by and there was a team there and all that, but... Often those are by appointment. You know, you have a time to come, so it's not like a... Right, probably would have been like, yeah, right, right. And again, it's all based on, they have to do it, they have to have the PPE. And it's... Yeah, they had a lot at that place. Well, there were five people all suited up waiting for a car, you know. Okay. Yeah. It definitely... There was no appearance of understaff or under prep, that's for sure. Good, good. Which was probably the intent of the backdrop. Well, that's true too. So, yeah, how it's done. Yeah, exactly. And the thing is, it is really exciting to see it happening in those community health centers because again, when we're looking at the disparities around how people are getting care, who's getting tested. So having the community health centers open up, and you don't have to be a patient there, but they're located in areas where there's so many people who have a need. How is our health center doing? Yes, so the Musanti Health Center early on when they were being part of this discussion around testing, we don't have... We still haven't filled positions at the Musanti Health Center. So they are not doing the testing there. Folks who are there, patients are sent to Cooley-Dick if they need a test. So the health center really just has healthcare providers a couple of days a week. They have a dentist there one day a week. They are really hopeful about getting a provider. So, but nothing yet. See if I have other things that I should bring up. Have there been any other sectors of the businesses in Amherst that are open that people express concerns about? I guess I'm thinking about garden centers. I mean, I feel like they are pretty busy places right now. Andrews? Actually, yes. It looks a little bit like maybe this isn't good, but I can't point to anything. It just seems crowded when I drive by. They've been open, right? Yes. They move from self-service to a more fully open status and they have it all set up in a pretty good way with like a cashier and like plexiglass and places like the grocery stores places to wait for your turn to the cashier. But, you know, people are around plants. They're like darting in here and they wanna see this and that and the other thing. Yeah. Well, so yes, that has been brought to our attention. What? Were they deemed essential? Yes, any place that sells any kind of vegetable plants can be open. So have the garden centers open, Andrews, farmer's supply, though they're probably open for other reasons too. Yeah, so as long as a specific business has been brought up, yes, we have gotten some concern about Andrews and we checked in with them about 10 days ago, but we've just gotten another concern. So an inspector is checking on that tomorrow. It could be that they're gonna need, if they do have a great system there, I will say I'd go nowhere, but like two weeks ago, I'm like just gonna go over as soon as they open and see how it looks, you know, because I love plants and it was really helpful for me to see that beautiful plexiglass thing they set up, the hand sanitizer, they wipe your card, really beautifully done. But I think the difficult part is how many people should you really have there at once, even though it's an outdoor setting? Not entirely outdoors. Not entirely. When there's the greenhouse, I guess you can go into the greenhouse. I haven't done that. Well, and before you were not able to go into the greenhouse, so that's another thing we're gonna check on now. So we really, it's deemed an essential business. We want our businesses to- Yeah, no, I do too. But no, I, yeah, we're gonna be working with them tomorrow and see what kind of support they might need to. Much as we're talking about the farmer's market, you know, it could be that they need some guidelines for how to do this safely. And we'll work with them on that. Yeah, it seems like they're really trying hard to get it right. Exactly, I think they're trying hard. And then, but if there's nothing in place to kind of prevent the amounts of people, I think that's the last piece maybe that needs to be put into place. Because they are trying really hard. I was really impressed with what I'd seen that they set up and all the employees had masks on and it really felt good. But it wasn't, there were only six people when I went, so. Yeah, now it's like with the warmer weather, it seems like it's a lot more, it's not busier. Yeah, I drove by on our way, we were going out for a hike and I thought, whoa, there are a lot of cars there. Yeah, I stopped by thinking I might look around and then I decided, I was looking for one specific thing and I just walked around the periphery where the perennials were and I said, you know, I think I'm just getting out of here. So, I don't know. I think closest, well, I don't know whether it's closer to me or Maureen, but it's probably closer to me. But I walk past it a lot, but never when it's been opened. One thing I noticed, they do, because I go by it a lot when it's not open. I used to go window shopping, but they have it roped off so you can't just throw it through the aisles, yes. Right, right. And we have no clue as to what sort of phase one directive will occur one day. We have no clue. Kinds of things might open, yeah. Yeah, he wants to keep a top secret. Yeah, that was clear, yeah. It's been a little difficult because we have a lot of people who've been like, so what am I supposed to do on May 18th? And so I think the message got a little confusing for folks that, and probably it just morphed as time went on and he created this group to look at reopening because, yeah, nothing's gonna open on Monday. We just don't have the guidance, so we'll just have to see. I saw the stages, but there's not a lot of information behind those names. Start cautious, I don't know, I don't remember them. Right, the fourth one. It's new normal or something like that. Yeah, that's the last one. There were some new, there were some universal things that companies had to be prepared to do. There were, there are some. They seemed pretty general to me. They were too general, yeah. I'm really hoping to get more specific guidance because again, it just will be so crucial to have that come from the state, come from DPH, the governor, whatever, so that we can all just implement it because the comparing between towns or in that town can do this and this one can't or this office building, it will be really rough. So, and I think the governor's been getting a lot of feedback like that, so I think that's what may be, that's part of, well, there's two things, right? So we're not really seeing that things have just gone like this and like, oh, open back up, which wouldn't be good anyway, but. I looked at the dashboard, it just came live about two minutes ago. It's not a good day. There you go. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. That's the way it is. So, yeah, it's coming down, but it's not fast. No, it's not fast. It's not, and I, you know, of course Fauci is my go-to. And when he says, you know, we'll just be looking at more problems if we go fast and we, you know, we'll on a health level, but also even on a financial level, just set us back. So it seems to me like the governor is being cautious. And yet I just, it's so hard for people who, they've got to work, they've got to make a living. Yeah. So. Yeah, so what, I know people ask me, well, I said, okay, so we've been doing this for nine weeks. We've been really good. We haven't seen our kids and the grandchildren. Long distance, you know, Erica drives by once a week, the kids stay in the car, we wait, they wait. And people say, well, what do you do next? I said, well, gee, we've been really good. So we have to do this for nine more weeks. I'm so glad for being really good. Yeah, I just got to keep doing it. I think it, you know, we're very, very lucky. Not everyone, of course, but in many ways, you know, it's pretty good weather. It's, you know, the people are working frantically to make more food available to people. I think. How is the food insecurity with the kids and the families in town? Yeah, there's a lot of people working on that. And I think there's just gonna be more and more need. So that's what we're concerned about. Survival center is doing a great job. People are donating money there. The schools have got their roots where they're delivering food to families. But we're just gonna see over time, more and more need. And so the senior center director in partnership with Highland Valley Elder Service, the meals are getting out to elders. But this will be a long-term problem. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, we're gonna go open the cottage, but I don't even think we're gonna spend much time up there because people in the other colleges or couple families that I think they don't take this seriously. So. In New Hampshire. Well, in our college thing. And I've been following New Hampshire and I'm on some town things and the people who adhere very well. And then there are other people who think, yeah, it's summer, kids are outside, they can be together. I've also seen more of the younger kids. Today, Wildwood had a teacher parade through town. And there are a couple of families on our street that have been very religious about everything. But all of a sudden I saw a whole bunch of different families lined up. Yeah, they were kind of apart, but they weren't quite that apart for watching this parade of the teachers go through town to salute the kids. Yeah, it's hard for people to keep this up. That's really hard. We're not used to in the United States having to do things that we're uncomfortable with or that we don't want to have to do. I think it's a real change in mindset and appreciation for all that we have and being able to marshal up that ability to do our civic duty. If we can't do it for ourselves, to do it for others. And I think that a change in mindset for people. This is hard. People do hard things and they get through. But yeah, in terms of what does it mean? Will we be doing this longer? I mean, I think that to me it still always comes down to that this concept of opening up is about letting some businesses start to open so people can have a livelihood. It's really not about us being able to have more fun or recreate more or anything. Yeah, maybe. And I think that the message is a little confusing to people. I mean, I think we have to be really honest about that, that it's not really intended that way. It's still best to only do essential things to stay home, to social distance, to wear a mask. Did anyone see Kate Atkinson's? Atkinson's, is it Kate? Atkinson's. Atkinson's, yeah. Piece about in the newspaper about, did anybody else see about? I read it. I did. Yeah, of course she talks about creating like a homestead household. Yeah, I think that with families, where children share two households, there's two parents, there are a lot of complexities to how some people have to manage this. My grandchildren are part of one of those in Chicago. They had been before, they shared a babysitter with another family. And so there's eight of them or nine of them now, all kind of in it together. And three out of the four go out to work. One, my son doesn't, but so far, so good. Yeah, I think it comes down to this shared decision making around this, we can trust each other to do or not do this and to comply in this way and yeah. But yeah, that makes me anxious, to be honest. But it multiplies the possibilities. Julie, I've realized that my one task, Amherst Farmers Market. Yes. What's happened there? Yeah, so I've been working with the farmers market for quite some time now. Again, the governor has said that farmers markets can open. There's guidance that they have. So it's really come under the inspection services department. So the building commissioner and some of the inspectors have worked really closely with the market because they're not used to coming up with how to do this. So the times really helped them to come up with a plan. We asked them for one initially, but it just seemed like that was gonna be hard for them to come up with. So they're working really closely with them. And then I weigh in on the key pieces that I think are important about infection control. So looking at having it on the town common instead of in the parking lots so that vendors can be much more spread out. People will be waiting in line just that they do for a grocery store, six feet apart. It will be not a social event. It will just be another opportunity for purchasing food. So I see it as a couple of things that folks who can go to the farmers market and purchase that food, it means there's gonna be more food in the grocery stores for other people because we are seeing shortages of things sometimes. And then it also is, we don't want all of our fresh local food to go away. We want our farmers to be able to sell their food. So, but the key part is how to make this not a particularly fun event, it's just you're going shopping. And I think people are really used to this being kind of fun and running into the people. And that's not what it's going to be. Greenfield Open did this two weeks ago, I think, right? We can have a go, have you followed that or seen their plans exactly? The town manager actually went up on their first day and he stood in line. They only had eight vendors. Okay. About 10 people working there. Now, part of that was because there's not that much food that's out yet. So it was just the first vendors, you know. Oh, I think it was partly a way for them to kind of be testing out what would this look like, how would it work? And he said it was interesting to see what they had in place there. You know, similar things that we're going to have partitions, you know, plexiglass partitions so that you're, you know, much like in a store you're not going to be able to face-to-face with someone. There'll be a barrier. Handwashing, sanitizer type of thing. Is there a date? A date? Opening date? What is today? So, yeah, there's a hope to open by May 23rd, Memorial Day weekend. I don't know if the market will be prepared yet to open them, but we've been really helping them to get to that point. So, yeah, so that might be the date. I have a couple of questions for Julie. I'm seeing the number of confirmed cases at the state level. They're going like up and down and up and down. I mean, this is just a very general question. They seem to be lowered during the weekends on Mondays, starting to become very high Thursdays, Fridays. I'm just curious, is there any reason why we see that sinusoidal type of patterns? That's interesting. Early on, we were definitely seeing, I haven't noticed that pattern recently, but definitely early on, we were seeing Thursdays and Fridays. And I'll tell you, all these years, it was like, you could be sure you would get all your protestant's cases on Friday from the state lab. So some of that happens when the testing happens and I'm kind of surprised to see that now. But, yeah, so I'm not sure, I don't, because my thought is that they're just testing straight through the weekends, but I could be wrong about that. It could be, or maybe they're able to do less tests over the weekend, especially on Sunday. I don't know for sure. Another thing I should say about the testing, is so we had a glitch in our numbers a couple of weeks ago. And that was because it was an accounting error like someone who is a provider in Amherst to actually, on her day off, went somewhere to a town much further away from here and did a whole bunch of testing, but somehow it all got linked to this one address in Amherst. And when we figured out what it was and talked to the state about it, they couldn't remove them all at once. And so it took a long time and five or six of them bounced back on earlier this week. So there are these problems that happen sometimes too. Like sometimes we've gotten a case before that was actually for another state one time. That was because it probably went through a quest and not the state lab. Frequently you'll get things that are for another town and then they all have to be reassigned and then the numbers jump a little bit. So I don't know if that's impacting it too because more of that's probably happening during the week. So there's a lot of kinks to be worked out. I do feel confident that our initial system, Maven, which was created like back in 2000, it's just an incredibly robust, excellent system for tracking disease. And so just getting all these kinks worked out where all these modules are having to be added because of now adding the probables and adding in the CTC. So the numbers are, they're not always 100% accurate, but they're very close. You're seeing the right trends. I have a couple of questions, but Tim, you had another question. Go ahead. Yes, I did. I think the phase one talks about severe restrictions, severe restrictions on whatever, it says like a phase one is going to have, that means the severe restrictions are now dependent upon enforcement or at least compliance checking and whatever it is. I'm just curious who is going to follow those? Is it going to be the public health or police or fire? What do you think? Good question. Who's going to enforce? Again, we're gonna be looking at it with each entity. So the way this is written, because it's coming from the governor, the police can enforce, we don't have to make them, I forget what it's called, a constable of public health or something. So when we need them to, they'll be able to enforce, but we'll be looking at having the inspectors doing enforcing. But again, we're gonna be rolling this out and thinking, well, what does this really mean? What does it look like? A lot of it's going to be that education, like we've gotten a complaint, we've been notified you're doing X. You can't do that. This is the way you should be doing it. Really hoping that we're gonna get good compliance with folks doing the right thing. I think that people want to be able to have their businesses open. I think it's a small town. I think that it must be so much harder in really large communities. Whereas here, there'll be eyes on things. People will know, oh, well, you go here and they're not doing the right thing or we'll get a lot of complaints. And then so I think I'm hoping that this will, that people will be complying. I think some of the places where it might be harder is once we start opening up things where maybe there's not so much traffic and so there aren't that many eyes on the business or something like that. So we're just gonna have to take it each piece at a time and see what needs to be done. Have decisions been made about pools and recreation for the summer? Hold on, I just have to. No, no decisions have been made. I mean, I anticipate that the governor will either delay the fact of opening camps or pools or cancel it. Again, I think of course, when it comes to camps, it's difficult because there's two pieces there. There's the fact that we need our kids to be able to recreate. We really want them to be able to do that. And then it's often been childcare for folks to be able to keep working. So I think there is some pressure on that concept of having camps with pools. Even though it's a big bowl of chlorine, the problem is how do you do that in some way where you're just not gathering people together? So I would be pretty surprised if pools are something that move forward. And the problem with camps is that, and what people on our statewide calls have been begging for is let's just make a decision, just cancel them because people kind of need to know. They need to be able to plan because if it's part of how they manage their work. So I'm hoping that the governor just comes out with something on Monday about that. Again, these things are not town decisions. They'll come, because we've had people asking us, can the town make their own decisions? Of course you can. And we can't, especially because we just really do feel it'll be critical for everyone to be doing the same thing. Yeah. Julia, my questions are about the data from the state on the dashboard. And just one confusing was a couple confusing aspects, but so let's just talk about three numbers. Confirm cases, tests and deaths. It's clear that the number of deaths that are reported is a number. And then they're allocated to the date at which people died. So the bar for a particular day might be 33, but 150 deaths were reported. And that's because they were allocated to previous days. It must be that. I mean, I have not, that seems clear to me and that makes sense. Confirm cases and testing. What I'm curious about is, like today is a huge, almost high as we've ever done, tests 14,000. Is that the number of tests performed yesterday, like reported as of today? And does that go along with the positive? In other words, is the confirmed cases, are they confirmed based on the results of the tests reported today? Or are those tests performed today for which results are obtained later? There's temporal disconnects here. And I'm just trying to, do you know? Yeah, so, right. So the tests that were performed today, most of those we don't have results for. I don't know what the breakout is, how many of them were rapid tests. You know what I mean? So we've got different types of tests. So the test performed means that you have a result. Not means that somebody's nose was swabbed. Test performed means that you have a result. No. No? Test performed means that, well, it's a good question. You mean has the test arrived at the lab and is being processing or does it just mean someone was swabbed? I actually don't know. But what I do know is the results are not tied to those tests. So if we did 14,000 tests today and we had 350 that were positive, those 350 were tested 24 hours ago, 36 hours ago. And I don't know, is that what this question is? Well, yeah, well, the governor presents it differently pretty much because he talks about the number of positive and the number of cases and refers to a percentage for today, which means that he's at least tying the positive number of confirmed cases to the number of tests that are reported today. So I'm just- Although if you actually figure out the percentage, it's not the percentage of the numbers that they report. Like today's numbers are 1600 and something and in terms of new cases and 14,000 tests and they say it's 14%, but actually if you do the math, it's like 11% or something. Or 12%. I don't know. I don't understand how it happens, but I don't think it represents. No, but I think you're bringing up a good point. I think that he is misspeaking by saying it that way. I don't know. I just know that there is something that it is and it'd be nice if it was clear. Yeah, that's a really good one. I think I'm gonna put that forward. I mean, the getting the result means that when you've been in the business of measuring things, you understand the difference between collecting a sample, doing an analysis, reporting the results and which bean you're gonna count and it's only because they're being presented by dates. So there are dates associated with all three of those things for any analytical work. So you know, samples collected, dates measured, date reported. So I don't know which it is. Just curious, but anyway. No, you make a really good point. I feel like I know the answer, but you know, you make a very good point that I should find out and that also it'd be a good thing to be kind of clarified. And I have to say, John, all I ever think about with masks is back in the day when we were doing the current center, and maybe I've already said this, but you would talk about what was it filters? Yeah. There was no filter or whatever. So I just keep being like masks. Come on guys. A mask is not a mask is not a mask. You have a mask that's made out of a bandana. That is not the same as a mask that's kind of cotton fabric with flannel or you know, this or that. And I'm like, and also all of this is just, you know, we have so little data. So I'm always like, there's no filter. You can't filter down to nothing, you know? You taught me well. I got into a geeky discussion with Rick Pelletier in our school of public health who's gotten money to test masks or their efficacy post-peroxide treatment from the surface. So we get into a mechanistic discussion on that one. But anyway, yes, they are meant to be filters to filter out these things as particles. Their effectiveness in doing so is subject to many variables. So. Yeah. Yeah. However, that aside, if we all wore them, we would decrease the probability of being exposed to a significant dose. That's what you could say. Don't spend a lot of time in one place with a lot of people and wear a mask. Two things you could do so simply. And if at the highest level, we'd taken that stance from the very beginning. You know, if we had a culture to do that. So, you know, it's all the Asian graduate students that you master, walk around with a mask on because that's life, that's normal. Right. Big deal. That's our culture. Yeah, but whereas we just can't seem to get that. I mean, I think I said this a month ago, I was shocked at how long it took grocery store workers to wear masks. I couldn't fathom being asked to work in that condition and see person after person after person and not have worn a mask. You know. The mask doesn't help them though. Mask helps the other person. No, well, it helps them at least, at least not get a blast to them. I'm just saying. It just helps with the drop. Yeah, it's, I mean, the mask is what it is, but it helps both parties for sure. But the certainly grocery worker hanging out in one space that's exposed to a lot of people is not bad. They need a really good mask in fact. That's true. They actually should have an N95 mask. And they should wear it above the nose. Oh, yeah. I saw some poster that said, if you don't cover your nose with a mask, it's like cutting the tip off a condom. There were other ones out there too. Related to the same anatomy. But anyway. Now it's. Yeah, it's hard. The data. There. So when we're done with Corona, I do have one more just small topic. But I don't know if we have more. Well, we can always come back to it too. So theoretically, we have two people stepping off the Board of Health June 30th, which is coming up. And, you know, I haven't even had time to check with Paul about, you know, is there any concept of delaying that? If we can't get people, I don't even know if you guys would be willing. Meanwhile, Timothy's been great about sending me possible folks from UMass. And yeah, so then what I do is I Google and I'm like, do they live in Amherst? So I have found that Emily Kumpel lives in Amherst. All right, I'm her boss and the answer is no. Talk to her after she gets tenure. Sorry. No, I mean, I can't speak that way exactly, but Emily's a great. Well, you know, it wouldn't be the first thing I'd ask her to do. There's a pecking order. I don't know, Tim, I'm speaking as a, you know, as a department head and as her colleague. I'm a copia, I have grants and things with her. But, you know, certainly it's obviously her choice, but pretend your faculty has to make a lot of decisions about priorities. Yes, because they have so much they have to do. Yes, that kind of service. It's not, I mean, it's not huge, but... It would take time. I don't know. I don't know. Do you have anyone to suggest from your department? Is David Ostendorf, he's probably doing a million things, right? Oh, no, he's retired. You don't want David on the board. He wouldn't do it. You don't want him on the board either. No, no. He's too, I mean, he's just, he would self-regulate that. No. It's hard to describe. He's a wonderful guy, but I don't know. Very strong opinions. Very strong opinions. It might not be the best thing to have. Yeah, we do need someone who's a listener and a collaborator. I mean, whether they're right or wrong or whatever, it's just you need to, you need to listen a lot. And he's a good listener. Dave O's retired. I mean, I just don't think he would... And these people are probably just, they're too busy because they're probably tenure track. Chool Park, Christian Dozman, Katelyn Butler. And I don't even know if they live in Amherst. Katelyn lives in Northampton. Christian is like Emily, except less so. He just started. He's in his first year. Chool's a possibility. He's probably had COVID-19 in Japan. He's returning in August from Japan with his family. So I went in and I was looking at everyone's profiles and I saw that, yeah, he's been in Japan. So he's not back yet. His family's been there for a year. He's coming back first. I was on a PhD defense with him today. He's coming back the beginning of August. And he's been director of a Korean school, the school with Korean language in South Adley for several years. He had to give that up this year. I don't know. He might want to take it on. He has a skill set for sure. Possibly. Yeah. So August is the way. But Katelyn's in Northampton, so not a choice. Okay. So do we have any other scientists, especially water-oriented or planned oriented that live in Amherst? I'm just retiring, Tim. Who do we? I'm just retiring. Or as time on public health, I don't know. To think that through. There's people as scientists. I mean, Dave Bout lives in Amherst. Groundwater person. Dave what? David Bout, B.O.G.T. It's a groundwater person. Good person. Very busy. Also. Very busy. Buddies. I guess you can't find a not busy scientist. So me, who else is stepping up me and? And Nancy. Nancy, yeah. And that's my other thing. I started, I went on to the board of nurses. All the person. All the nurses in Amherst. Like I'm going through the mom like, oh, she can't do it. She can't do it. Yeah. So. All right. Well, if you all can put your thinking caps on about someone who, to someone's. You can think about AJ, you know, on AJ. Oh, AJ. Wow. AJ. Yeah, AJ. Back on the day. Seriously retired AJ. Yes. She's the one who trained me a million years ago, 23 years ago. Took me out to lunch and said, this is how you do it, Julie. It was great. All right. Well, if you all be thinking, I just, yeah. I mean, you have to think right now. And like you said, I assume the board, the town will, this is not the easiest time to finally be able to do things and stuff. The town. Would you both be willing to stay on a little longer if? Yeah. Sure. I'll do what's, you know, that needed. That's not my first choice. But yeah. Also, I imagine it's still just going to continue to be just super essential business, I think, like Wells and. Are we going to do the tobacco regulations? You know, I so appreciated Maureen's work, but I have to be so honest, like I never pay any attention to it. None of us are. And I don't even, you know, June 1st is almost here. Mm-hmm. So I don't think there's been any pushback. I think everything's going to move forward. Oh, I have a question. Iron horse. I meant to ask this. High horse. High horse. I mean, high horse. And Jason, is that just going to go to pass? And he just licensed his permit. Has he been in contact with anyone? He's closed. He's closed. As far as we know, he never got a consultant. I, you know, I think sadly, it's an example of a business that I imagine it would be pretty hard to reopen. You know, it's very difficult for all of our restaurants. And then one that was. But his permit goes, license goes, the end of May. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, given these times, I think that I don't know what I think. I can have Susan check on it. Well, you haven't heard from him. Oh, yeah. You haven't heard from him. No. And I think he's just been closed. And so I don't know what to say about that. Do you have any thoughts for me? I just. I thought if he hasn't contacted you, he knows his, it expires, it's done deal. Yeah. And I think like five or six weeks ago, Susan did reach out to him. So, yeah, I think some action would have needed to happen, probably. Yeah. But I'll check in on that and ask about that. So a bunch of restaurants have a due takeout, but not all certainly, right? In town. Right. Right. Yeah. And that seems to be going well. We get no complaints. People seem to be doing the right thing with that. I think more people are taking advantage of takeout, which has been nice for the businesses. I think it just must be so tough because your margin of, you know, keeping going is so small with a food establishment. But yeah, there's a lot of places doing takeout. Yeah. Oh, so, and the last thing too, and Steve heard this on the call, I think, was that on the call? What? That was with the council. I don't know. The town is looking at doing some interim type of zoning so that, you know, really wanting to help the businesses. So if there is a time when they can open up, if people for a period of time could have some social distance tables outside or whatever it would take to sort of streamline the ability of restaurants to be able to do what they could do safely. So there's a group that's working on that in the planning department. And the bid and the Chamber of Commerce are in, you know, active discussions with the plant, with the assistant town manager and the planning department about suggestions they have for how to make businesses, to make things easier for businesses to, you know, be viable. So that's all in the works too. And the inspectors will be a big part of that. Okay, so I will continue to work on Board of Health members and you guys can shoot me ideas. And I will, I'll see if I can get an answer on the testing question you had that time. Yeah. Just curious. Yeah. If you need any help after the new guidelines come out from Governor Baker on Monday, let us know if there's anything you can do. Thank you. Yeah, Nancy, you've been so great about reaching out and offering and you've all been so supportive. It's been so, you know, it's just been a whirlwind. It's just so crazy. It's just like this week, I'm starting to like be able to be a little organized and to not just constantly be, you know, whack-a-mole constantly. So... I feel like I want to do something. Can I help? Can I do anything? I know. Julie, this may be the calm before the storm when things start opening again. You'll have a lot... Well, I know. All over you with questions and... I know. I think that might be true. And so what we've been doing, we do have a good system. So we have in the Health Department, Nancy Schroder's our assistant like 12 hours a week. And she's able to work more if we need her to. We have some public health funding from the state. So what she does is she calls into the main line throughout the day, gets the messages, sends them to me and I shoot them off to different places. So inspection services and the building commissioner have been handling the business calls, which is great. And then Jen is able to focus on the real clinical calls. And then I'm doing those ones that kind of fall in there. They, you know, they really need a director to call. So that's been working really well. You know, over time, would we need some help with that maybe? It's possible. Yeah. You know, we're trying to, you know, be communicating with folks when they have concerns. And yes, it's true. Well, we can probably be pretty sure there's going to be more questions and more concerns and complaints. The other big thing we're trying to do, and I don't know if any of you have connections is that like a lot of communities we'd really like to be able to give away free cloth masks to people because, you know, over time that's what's sustainable. You have a few for each family member. You can wash them, you can reuse them. And we really need sewers and supplies. We've only gotten 200 masks so far, which is wonderful. But it'd be so great if there were, you know, people out there who wanted to sew or contribute supplies to other sewers. There was an outreach from the town about that. Yeah, and they're still- Sign up. And I did sign up, but I didn't hear anything back yet. Oh, you did? I did, because I've been sewing some masks for friends and family and other places, but not, I have a friend who's probably sewed 500. I'm not a sweatshop, but like she is, Carol. I had a feeling you were going to do, Carol, yeah. I'm a beneficiary of one of Carol's. I know, anyway. But yeah, I was just wondering about that. I don't know how that process is working out. So how did you, okay, well, that's very good feedback. How did you, did you email the, is there's an email or something? Here's like a form, little form in the email to submit. Maybe it didn't submit, right? You know, you never know. Yeah, I'll check on that because, yeah, it seems like a low turnout and okay. Yeah, and I think there were choices. If you need a mask, if you would make masks or if you had supplies, kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we definitely have a lot of people saying, yes, they'd love when they need them. So, okay, great. Yeah, so if you have any little networks or whatever that you want to tell them about that. Of course they took home back out of the middle school and so I don't know. My daughter has been making them. She taught her almost 11-year-old son. He's been working on them. Good for him. He says it's home back. They cook and he, and so, home back. I had a painter come by today and he had made a no-sew mask out of a sock. And apparently you cut, just cut it in a certain way. Oh, and I've seen, I've seen that. He said he did go out and buy new socks. Great idea. I like that. I like that. Well, that's one of the groups I think of is guys who like, they don't happen to have a fee bill in their life who sews, because a lot of guys don't sew and it's like, there's a whole big population who might need them. All right, well, I think that's all I have. Who plans to meet it in June or not? I think so. Okay, let's do it, yep. Usual time, usual date. Usual time, usual date. Okay, okay. What is the date? Please don't hesitate to let me know if there's anything I can use. I'll set the numbers for us if there is. Sorry. What is it, June? June 11. June 11, yeah, June 11. June 11. Yeah. Okay. I especially think we need things on the books because of, you know, things like wells and that have to go forward. And maybe, I know, John, we always talked about redoing the well rags. That seems like too much work, but it's, I just don't know if it makes sense at some point to be able to allow, does the Board of Health have to approve the wells or would we, you know, want to make it so the inspector can? I don't know, though. And it might be too much to take on, but just a thought. Anyway, I should let you all go. It's a beautiful night. And take care, everybody. Be safe, be well. Take good care. Good to see you all, okay? Yeah, good to see you, everybody. Yeah, take care. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye. Bye.