 Like people from the neighborhood were sitting around chatting with each other and knew the bartenders and I was like Everyone stopped chatting when you entered and It went quiet And then I ordered a Fuller's ESP and they're like, okay, he's all right. He's all right. Yeah Perhaps we'll even talk to him Yeah, um, did you get to know any of the locals? I didn't I'm horrible about that sort of thing. I just kept to myself ate my fish and chips and drank my Fuller's and Yeah, it was lovely And the fish and chips were Decent the the chips were just average, but the fish was delightful The breading was really light and crispy and good last time I had a fish and chips. I had terrible food poisoning Won't be having that again I don't want to get too graphic, but I could Thank you for not Suffice it to say you will not be having Fish and chips from that fish or chips. Well, I mean, yes Well, if I ever invite you to my fish and chips fast, I will make sure there are other options for you Thank you. I mean, I I think the chips were okay. The problem came from the fish Probably so I could probably gorge on on chips and be fine. Oh But Tom can't because you're eating french fries all day. I Would like to do that with onion rings if that was possible Hey onion rings all day all day. Okay, not all day for Who doesn't it's kind of people don't people don't some people do not like onion Are those yeah, but in onion well people that are no longer our friends, right? That's they're still living and breathing. We have to warn the audience as well if you ever meet us and You know, we go for snacks and we get onion rings. You'd better eat those rings or as Sarah said we won't be friends very long. That's right. You can't sit with us Poor old these is no one's ever given me onion rings Well, I'm sure you could Boo-hoo So how many cats do you have to? Okay Cats one dog three animals. I was expecting Patrick to be disappointed with that answer I mean, I think I think beyond beyond to you're on a dangerous path to becoming a weird cat lady I think to is still acceptable Thank you. Appreciate that. Can we can we be cat? Gentlemen cat lords. What what is the male equivalent of cat? I don't know. I think that guy just stirred I don't think there's a crazy cat guy. I mean in friends. There's a crazy snake guy Chandler Kind of But I think the the the male version of weird cat lady is strange old dude in a wife beater that that Saying what if it's a guy who has 14 cats and lives alone and has toxoplasmos You know, there's someone like that though All of you it's a French guy Liz in Florida and he actually has a little cat show like you know like they do with lions and tigers He hasn't you guys are missing the point. I'm not asking for examples. I'm like, what's the term? Well, okay Tom you know Patrick's like how many cats you have sir. I'm like too like a normal person 14 I think that's weird too. Yeah Cat lady like, you know That's crazy with the cats. No, I think so but also I'm not crazy You are you are not this at all. Yeah, that's for sure. That's what we're saying Had had you had three cats? I think the jury might be out Hold from ballgame from Patrick then I'm well trust me with two cats and a large dog. A lot of people were like, what are you doing? Yeah, we need to start the show. Don't we? Yes, let me find the Name of the person That I'm going to mention Oh His name is nick be like nick Be like This is his last name, but I'll make her All right, you guys ready? Yep. I was born ready. Ah, it's been so long since we that's good All right, here we go three two Nick Marvey has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like nick become a dts member at patreon.com slash dts This is the daily tech news for thursday january 24th 2019 in los angeles. I'm tom merit and from studio feline I'm sarah lane And from the cold country side of finland way way up north beyond the wall. I'm patrick And I'm the show's producer And now patricks watches ended Wait, wait, what did I you you were watching for the show to begin now the show has begun right watch it It's gonna end at the end of the show Right watching the he still has another half hour. Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna take the black Let's start with a few tech things you should know Last year verizon launched a startup called visible in the us that allowed anyone with an unlocked iPhone to get unlimited text voice data and hot spot usage at speeds of up to five megabits per second For 40 dollars per month no contract no fees and no stores as well Everything is managed through an ios app However, the company is launching android compatibility in beta as well Selling iphone and samsung galaxy phones all with zero percent apr financing available Apple has added microsoft office to the mac app store with a package that includes word excel powerpoint outlook and one note apple worked with microsoft to add the ability to subscribe to a bundled app which needed to happen before office could come to The store a subscription runs 69 dollars for an individual or 99 dollars for a household of up to six members Businesses can also order through the app store and distribute to employees through the apple business manager Yeah, that's nicer than having the microsoft office update thing interrupt you when you launch excel to make your spreadsheet for the tax lady It's a made up an example not something that happened to me literally 15 minutes Uh texas instruments xilinx and lamb research all posted quarterly results wednesday that seemed to have reassured investors Who had been concerned about the impact of china u.s trade relations on the chip industry ti missed on revenue but it beat expectations on profit xilinx and lamb also beat estimates for the quarter and ti reported weakness in demand in china For them anyway is primarily due to the semiconductor cycle However, intel came and splashed cold water all over that Forecasting q1 revenue and profit below analyst estimates net revenue for last quarter from intel rose from 17.05 billion to 18.66 billion But it missed analyst estimates of 19.01 billion. So good news If two announcements make a trend we might have one So vivo announced its own portless phone the apex 2019 which it will show off in mobile world congress which is going on in brazilona Uh This month later this month charging works through a rear mounted magnetic connector that can also handle data transfer So not exactly wireless charging but close like the maizu zero We talked about that on the show yesterday It has an in-display fingerprint sensor and uses the screen as a speaker and it's also bad g Portless, it's the new trend All right, let's talk a little bit more about what's going on with self-driving cars at apple Patrick oh, that's me. Sorry, uh sources tell cnbc that apple has cut more than 200 employees From its autonomous vehicle effort project titan although an apple spokesperson told and cnbc Some groups are being moved to projects in other parts of the company Where they will support machine learning and other initiatives across all of apple. So essentially in non-denial non-denial On the people were keeping them the people were firing Back in august apple hired teslas engineer vice president and apple veteran duke field to head up the titan team alongside bob mansfield Uh, if i were to read the tea leaves on this, uh, which is part of our job here I would say this probably means apple has figured out finally what they want to do with this And what would your tea leaves say? Well for a long time people have been been debating like are they going to actually build a car? Are they just going to build systems? Are they going to build a ride hailing service with autonomous cars? What are they going to do and this to me makes me feel like they finally narrowed it down and and said Okay, this is probably where we want to go with this You folks are working on parts that don't fit with that direction So we're either going to move you to you know other machine learning type places Uh where we can take advantage of your expertise in other projects Or if it's like well, you were the person who was going to help us actually, you know build cars And we're not going to build cars then you know, good luck. Go find something else to do It's uh, it's the second time if i'm not misremembering that rumors of a significant restructuring project titan have happened I'm The team is from what we're hearing much bigger than 200 employees So it would be unlikely that they have completely disbanded the team. So I would tend to agree with tom It's unlikely they're building a car it might still happen But yeah, it would seem they now know which direction they want to go or maybe that's even too much interpretation But it's I mean, I don't think they're abandoning what they wanted to do with Autonomous vehicles No, no, I my guess has always been that apple even if they hadn't decided on it themselves would end up Providing technology that folks could include in cars the way airplay or car car carplay Is except except more so right it would it would be an apple version of of autonomous systems And that's my best bet for where they end up. We we still don't know Hmm Twitter is testing a new feature to make it easier to know who started a thread when multiple accounts participate in discussion Because it can get a little wild out there The company says the new original twitter tag as it's being called at least in testing Is rolled out to a small percentage of ios and android users along with account verification You might think of this as a feature that could help cut down on confusion about who's who You know, like if elan musk starts it starts it, you know You know some very very lively discourse on twitter you might see some replies I don't know maybe that one of the replies is like an elan musk fan account or something where you You'd kind of have to look at the handle to be like, okay So if you know that that person is verified so to speak, I think that's helpful Yeah, but I don't think that's exactly what it's for I mean Yes, but not with the example of elan musk because everyone knows who elan musk is and if there's Example because it's a real-world example where people pretend to be elan musk jump in on the thread and say things that confuse people Because they think the real elan musk is saying it and they they haven't been able to tell right away Right and that conversation is being shared enough Yeah, you know, I understand but I didn't use the thread right But but yeah, I don't think this is really what it's for. I think this example is not the best one because You it's I don't think people would get completely Confused by this case and think oh, I think this is it's more for people Who reply to something and then you jump in the middle of the thread and you don't know the person who was originally posting the thing and And so you you're not going to notice that they are the one replying because the threads on twitter are incredibly messy Which by the way is being addressed by another Into a ui element that they're also testing But it's really interesting The way twitter has evolved its ui has always been relatively slow and if you look at twitter like from three years ago actually in the past three years, maybe there hasn't been a lot of changes but It doesn't change significantly from one year to the next but over a few years It does add a lot of features and a lot of things that help make the product better But they wait for people to use it a certain way and they resisted threads for a very long time for very good reasons Now they've implemented them But people have used them to start entire conversations because twitter is being used More I think by certain people And so you need the threads to be a little bit cleaner And I think this this will help. I've complained that twitter is a little bit Confusing and I'm guessing I'm not the only one, but I think this would actually be a useful feature I mean kind of I don't understand why people are so excited about this. This seems like a minor feature test Which is nice I I've definitely had plenty of times where I I click on a response in my timeline And and scroll up to see who started this thread and this would allow me to maybe not have to do that. Okay, but And maybe I just used twitter differently than a lot of other people that is not something I've constantly complained about being able to edit spelling mistakes in my tweets Oh, yeah, that's definitely something I've constantly complained about having better thread management So you can you can see threads easier entirely like patrick was saying definitely something I've complained about Having a label that tells me who started this conversation is just a nice Well, and I think I think this speaks to the way that Maybe we use twitter that other people do not the conversation aspect of twitter and like how does this all start? Oh, it's a meme now. Uh, you know, there's like a million likes and you know So many people have like jumped on the on the bandwagon. That's a real thing Maybe you know, maybe it's not something that we're engaging with um, uh, uh, but I I do Often sort of get into something where I'm like, well, how would this start? We're sure let's go to the top And I think if you jump in this sort of thing So I think I think that would actually be pretty helpful to me If you jump in in the middle and you see who is the original poster of this thread It helps you pay attention to what they're saying without having to go back all the way up It's not as useful as what they said to start the thread a lot of time. So this isn't going to help me with that Yes, it's basically it's basically the blue check verification for I started this thread It's the op it's the op original poster mark on on reddit, etc. Oh t original tweet Yeah, original gangster Dell announced the Dell 75 4k interactive touch monitor for classrooms The 75 inch display supports 20 point multi touch and works either with hands So you can just touch it with your fingers or stylus and they include two passive stylus styli With the purchase styluses It also has something called screen drop where users can press a button on the side of the display to switch between three different heights That provides accessibility for children, obviously, but also people in wheelchairs Just people of different heights It's del's version of the microsoft surface hub or google's jam board but focused on the education market Whereas those two are generally focused on the business market The del 75 4k interactive touch monitor as it is snappily named is available april 30th 5999 and 99 cents dang That's a lot I mean, it's not for your home This is this is the price of a really high-end television and and while schools aren't super rich Uh, if if they were if they were a you know, a school budget is is more able to handle $6,000 than a than a person home budget I would be more concerned about the the ui and the way it's designed for this specific use Um, I mean, I'm sure it's running on windows. Um, but I'm guessing the Kind of software you need maybe there's going to be a market given that these kinds of screens Are being more and more Common But I'm guessing the software would need to be designed specifically Especially if it's going to be used in schools It says the that it can handle pretty much all software. I mean, that's what del said But they're not doing anything like google and microsoft to your point to to make it make the best use of it It's just running regular. Yeah, exactly. And so are there already is there already a lot? Maybe there is a lot of software designed for these kinds of users specifically But if there isn't then you're going to have a great screen and And it's going to be wonky to to run stuff on it. I think well, and it's $6,000 to pop You're only buying one of these You know if if your school district's going to buy one you're not putting this in every classroom At least most schools won't be Well, we talked about headphones and wireless headphones and all sorts of bluetooth headphones earlier on the show This week sources now tell bloomberg and this is a good story for us That sonos wants to expand to high-end headphones So getting out of the living room and the company's potential wireless over the ear headphones are still in early development stages But could be launched by next year priced around $300 does this make you happy because you're a sonos fan and you've been looking for wireless headphones Yeah, I mean 300 dollars is way more than I want to spend for what I'm like I'm talking about stuff that I can run in in the rain These are not those headphones. Like I'm not paying 300 dollars for headphones. They're gonna short out. However I love sonos. I do think that their audio quality is top notch. I mean, they're the best of the best and I I can't imagine that the company wouldn't want to be like, okay Well, we've conquered the living room like everybody has their sonos speakers or maybe they don't Where else do we go and we go to you know headphones that people everyone needs those That's true. You're looking for in-ear and these are over the year. Yeah and and and uh, you know This is the kind of thing sonos needs to do There there was a point a couple years ago where we were all sort of wondering sonos done Or you know, have they been lapped by the amazon echoes of the world and and and apple airplay and such And they're they're hanging in there quite well actually by embracing all the voice assistants and and and Innovating on their product line with different products that appeal both to high-end audio files as well as somebody who just wants something That's easy to use And and this is a part of that strategy It's an interesting part of that strategy because I don't think of sonos with headphones But that that's what you do when you're you're trying to make sure you don't But you do think of sonos for the most part as high-end audio, right? You know, yeah, it's like, you know, you're competing with apple at that point It's like do you not want the earbuds? Well, maybe you want something that sonos has to offer because it's such high quality And and the thing is it's natural for them to expend there Um and also 300 bucks if they are indeed high-end headphones. I don't think that's Super, you know, that's not so super dissimilar to the prices of these kinds of headphones Of course, you know, they it's not cheap But if you want some really high-end Headphones most of the time whether it's warranted or not you're going to end up paying these kinds of prices Um thinking about headphones like the Bose qc 35 Either one or two. I think they're maybe even a little bit more expensive. So Uh, it it seems uh reasonable and sarah, maybe they will be IP67 or 68 and and you you will be able to run in the rain very stylish with your over-the-ear headphones Hey, man It rained a lot in LA two weeks ago. Yeah, these are the things I think about Well, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day at about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com A lot of folks in our slack. We're talking about this. I saw somebody on twitter asking about it and It's it's making the headlines out there So I thought we'd do a little bit of an explanation Of google's proposal that a lot of ad block extension makers are saying would stop their extensions from working This is the kind of story that gets a lot of people's backs up And causes a lot of people to Overestimate what's happening. So let's run through what's actually happening google has made a proposal That's the important thing to realize here. Yes, google is powerful with chrome And yes, they could force something through if they want to but let's just listen to it under the Assumption that this is a proposal. This is not necessarily how it will finally be implemented google has made a proposal called manifest v3 That changes how chrome handles extensions in order to prevent malicious extensions from undermining privacy and security You can question google's motivations as we go through this But there are legitimate things that this proposal achieves and privacy and security is extremely important to people these days The goal would be to give users more control over what extensions do and which sites they interact with as well as improve Performance of extensions so they don't slow down your browser. This is all very similar to changes that apple made to safari back in 2015 So on paper you could say this isn't controversial, but it has to do with ad blocking. So let's keep going among the proposed changes No longer will extensions be allowed to load code from remote servers The extensions would remain static after being submitted and only be able to use the code that was reviewed Before the extension was admitted to the chrome web store. That's important on the one hand It's very good for keeping bad code out if you can't load code later Then all the code is under review and that's the only code you use There's a downside to it. We'll get to in a second Number two among the proposed changes universal access to all websites can no longer be requested at install So this makes things a little more difficult for extensions that want to be able to block ads or malicious scripts on everything And here's the big one Among the proposed changes are replacing an api called web request with an api called declarative net request Now don't worry too much about what those mean web request is the existing api It lets extensions modify requests and modify responses So it can block a cookie from being set. It can block javascript from being executed And that slows down the browser performance because everything has to be passed to the extension The extension says yay or nay, then it goes back to the browser that slows things down Google wants to replace this with declarative net request Now the other thing that web request would do would allow a malicious extension To to look at your your cookies and steal session cookies And you wouldn't be able to do that when you can't add code And under the restrictions of this new api this new api called net request Has the extensions declare the kind of responses and requests they want to be blocked or redirected And say, you know look for this you can and they can use wild cards And stop that and then the browser executes it that speeds things up Because the browser does everything and it doesn't have to talk to the extension and back and force It would also stop malicious extensions from actually seeing the cookies or other sensitive info They couldn't steal it because the browser is the only one that seals. All right However, here's the downside Developers of ad blockers like you block origins say that if the proposal was implemented It would stop ad blockers from working because declarative net request doesn't allow for more complex patterns For instance, uh you block ships with 90 000 filters can work with half a million Keeps constant updates so it can keep on top of stuff And if it can't push code to the extension and it can only use 30 000 items because that's another part of this api Is google limits it to 30 000 then they can't do things the way they do it now A lot of folks looking at this have said the syntax of this new api declarative net request is similar to that Used by ad block plus and a lot of people are saying that's interesting. I wonder if google and ad block plus cooked this up together A lot of other things besides ad blockers are affected by this No script has said that the new api would not be sufficient for it to block malicious scripts Makers of anti fishing extensions have pointed out that the new api only allows plain text black lists That would allow fishers to be able to see if they're blocked and then change their urls And as we know with fishing it's it's a constant battle to stay ahead So if you can't encrypt your blacklist you're at a disadvantage in stopping fishing attempts All of this has been responded to by google uh in many ways google software engineer devlin crone and wrote on the chrome discussion list This design is still in a draft state and will likely change Our goal is not to break extensions So i know that's a lot to parse there but to sum up the tldr is google proposed a change to how it handles extensions That works fine for ad block plus And doesn't work well for a lot of other ad blockers because it limits what they can do although it has positive security aspects And google says hold on We're listening to all of these problems that no script and you block and ghostry are all saying and we're going to try to accommodate them and google is saying Despite what you might think we're not closely working with the ad block plus over other blockers It just happens to be that this is the one that still works the best now the suspicions come in because google has a built-in ad blocker It's already live in europe canada in the u.s. It's rolling out to the rest of the world july 9th And it's ad blocker while using standards from the coalition for better ads Certainly allows the well-behaved google ads to show up Whereas i don't know maybe some of these other extensions might impact google ads Which would impact the google bottom line? So a lot of people are saying this new api is self-serving because it protects your bottom line I was going to go conspiracy theory with this theory, but you stole it from me. So, um, I guess I have I mean you can you can pile on Yeah, I just lined out what the thought is how likely do you think that is? Well, I think there's no question. This is exactly google protecting its bottom line And sticking it to the little people who want to use real ad blockers. No, I don't know But I mean it all seems very reasonable. I think the the Minimum we have to do if we're reasonable is wait A few weeks or however long we need to to see before it's implemented to see how it's modified because Obviously proposal draft it will change And it does have very beneficial aspects. I mean the fact that an extension could You know ad code from a remote server is a security nightmare and that alone seems like a decent way of doing things although this is not the point that The ad blockers who are complaining are the most strongly complaining about It seems like Something that would make sense And also as you mentioned a couple of times it doesn't completely block any type of ad blocker from from functioning I guess if google is indeed doing this to protect their bottom line They're being incredibly crafty and clever and finding ways of making this seem Completely reasonable in a certain From a certain angle Right. It's it's it's more than defensible. It makes a lot of sense Yeah So and and I think a lot of people are upset because they weren't included on the conversation I think that's why you see you block with their nose bent out of shape like hey the proposal the great proposal Why didn't you talk to us and I guess google's saying wow, we're talking to you now, you know, but exactly and when they are This is a proposal is to draft. So it's the process is is still early in discussions, so Yeah, I can that being said if you are you block origin and your entire business model is is threatened by this Change I think that the thing you do is get on top of the mountain and start screaming For people to pay attention to it because if they had just said very friendship to say so Well, I mean you block origin Always on mountain screaming, but if they had just said, okay, sure I almost said, okay. Okay. We'll discuss. We'll talk We wouldn't be talking about this now. I don't think so the pressure wouldn't be I mean the the the conversation Wouldn't have been so focused on this for you know a half a news cycle And the pressure wouldn't be on the google to make sure that they do what they can to work with The people who are impacted by this or maybe not as much so I understand them as well The one thing it does shine a light on is google has an outside influence in the browser market because chrome has such a large share of the world market companies like this companies like ghostry and new block Feel like maybe this, you know, this is an abuse of power Versus just saying like hey guys, you know in the back channel on the forum. This doesn't work for us. Let's revise Uh, it you know the perception Is is a little harsher when you're like you are the only court of appeal here google There's there's nobody else I can go to because a lot of this stuff cascades down to other browsers through the chromium project as well And it's not just that their business about their livelihood would be threatened likely it would be Uh, I don't want to be say obliterated. They could still work it into a an ad blocker But they would have to completely change their product Yeah, well, thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit sometimes you talk about chrome Sometimes you talk about other things you can submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com We're also on facebook hang out with us there as well facebook.com slash group slash daily tech news show Let's check out the mail bag Let's do it. This one comes from john and he was piggybacking on our mail back from yesterday's show Um, and john said I thought steve's email on singapore's comments about an ai framework sounded familiar And I was right darpa is pursuing a very similar area of research x ai or explainable ai Which is what it means. I thought this might help justify not just robby young ought to complete A larger conversation on this topic and he linked us to um something from from darpa itself and We will not be having a larger conversation on the topic today But we definitely appreciate sending along the link and we'll have it in the show notes at daily tech news show Dot com but good to know that singapore darpa and i'm sure there's others I bet they're deep mind. I think the european union is is working on some things similar I would not be shocked. Uh gotta be something going on in finland When we say a thing is happening on the show we don't imply that it is the only thing of its kind No, no, this is this is this is you know the hive mind at work people saying. Oh, yeah, you know Um speaking of hive mind patrick beija. We missed you on tuesday But thanks for being with us on thursday. How is life in finland and where can people keep up with everything you're doing? Uh as mentioned at the beginning of the show life in finland is cold But it's also very beautiful. 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Hope you have enjoyed this program Muppet laugh I'm not sure bryan knew how to take that it's meant to he was like, okay Who doesn't love the muppets? It does it does sound a little bit like a muppet laugh. It's a muppet. Yeah, I mean in the best possible way Yeah, I mean, is there any time that you're compared to a muppet that you're not happy? I mean in in in like british phraseology is Muppet, that's not a muppet. Is it or is there a different word? We're talking about kermit the frog a muppet not a muppet Um, alternative so in britain. Yeah, it's an alternative for someone who's incompetent Okay No, I mean if you're you're saying is there any Context where it would be where we're someone's like don't call me a muppet. I'm very i mean for example you're you're engaged in in uh, uh intimate relationship with a partner and they start thinking about muppets Maybe that's not so flattering It would seem Well, maybe you know, we're going to that place. I am not a furry monster Or maybe some people would be fine. Stop calling me cookie monster. That's not who I am I'm your wife. All right, uh roger. We are uploaded and it's time to pick a title uh Patrick is being very french has been suggested Uh chrome if you want to I'll use fire Lucy you started this chrome blocked chrome blocker Patrick piles on blocker's gonna block Uh twilight of the titan. Oh, it's very oh Oh, it sounds like a movie. Yeah Google proposes changes internet becomes outraged Yeah That's really Is the internet Is there an outrage? In certain quarters, there's some definite outrage. Okay. Yeah, but yeah, okay, but is is the internet outraged? Well, yeah, we're losing you. We're overgeneralizing For the sake of dramatic effect sure Are you uncomfortable with that? I'm just gonna vote for realm of the cat Just It's certainly enough title, but it doesn't apply to the show Sir vantes, I see you Call a good day internet realm of the cat lords totally totally Where'd you go loose? Um Google proposes changes internet becomes outraged. It's a little long too. I don't have anything else. I like better What do you like loose? Sometimes she knows she says code blocking code That's funny code code blocking code Hmm Google might well, I don't want to use that word surveillance. Some people might take offense Uh, I don't know what do you guys think? I like code blocking code. That's funny Done I mean I assumed that what they meant was game recognized game right right. That's what I took it as yeah, and that's funny Yes, good. I don't know what it is It means if you're cool, you recognize other people that are also cool Game recognize game if you have game, you know when somebody else. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah What do you think those I recognize you patrick? That's That's right. Is it though? Of course it is it's all relative, you know the game that you have If you think you have right it might be might be Uh mediocre game recognizing mediocre That's right, but it's still game, but how about five year how about five year game recognizes five year game You got you got a five year anniversary, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. That's a good way to put it What do you think loose? Five years of patreon supported podcasting from patrick beija Mm-hmm There was a five recognizes five That's good Cinco rex cinco Now it's getting weird cinco reconocer Oh, sorry. I uh, I had to duck out to see what was caused by the racket on the side of my house Oh, you were missing our new our you were busily editing the show and now you've revealed you were not In the show Was everything okay out of the side of the house? Oh, what happened out there? partner he's uh cutting the hedges and it's pulling The teeth of the the hedge clipper grabs the Slaps it back against the the um the side house You shouldn't have hired the constant gardener because he just never stops Well, if it was constant it wouldn't have to do it. I want an occasional garden Yes Otherwise it's so loud. He only comes once a week. He's in frequent. Yeah, right He's pulling out weeds. You'd rather he leave No, no, I want them out Yeah, no, I I I say that because in my yard there's we have a weed phenomenon going on I just pull them out of the ground but We don't actually have a gardener besides me and Otis so It's doing our best So, yeah, so anybody who was following the pre-show or the po-show last week Um, I left right from here and went to the Volvo dealership and saw that xc 40 and it is so beautiful But it's huge It's a crossover sv, right like the whole idea is like it's not supposed to be super big It's big It's too big for like I sat in and I was like, no, that's crazy like me and one little dog Well, he's not little but like too big The crossover beautiful beautiful car though crossovers are supposed to take over the suv Share by basically giving a smaller but just as capable You know car, but you know, like you said, they just end up being big They're big. Yeah They're just not as tall kind of I mean once I was inside I was like, what's the wheelbase of this thing? I mean, it seems like Anything that's a larger suv I don't know Long wheelbase You get a smoother ride No, I mean like the the the the measurement of the wheelbase Like what's the wheelbase of this because you say it's a crossover, but it seems as big as an suv Just maybe lower to the ground kind of thing. Well, technically it's for auto manufacturers when they build the crossover It's based off a car chassis As opposed to an suv which is typically based off a truck truck Okay, so like a suburban based off the pickup truck, but I thought the whole crossover thing was it was actually more of a You know I don't know Right or like the super room present the outback But they found people wanted something that could take the place of an suv and a minivan So they had to enlarge it to get more seats in it so they can do the three-year seating But they also make smaller ones like the rev The rev four from tell you Or the seat. What's the honda crv? I think crv That's awesome. That's all And there's uh kia Sorrento, I think Ah The kia cilantro, that's right. That's in the um the same vein. I'm not really familiar with kias There are some folks that really swear by them Um, or at least this particular model and hondi has one as well. I don't know. It's a whole thing I guess I know what I'm doing. Sorry to interrupt Thank you very much. You are all lovely people and I love you according. Yeah Hey Talk to you in less than a week Playoff keyboard pat Today tuesday, tuesday Today tuesday. Bye Bye You could be fanso you could You're almost there Fatty Oh, that's gonna that's I don't know do animals care No first of all fatso created a lot of money So, you know, let's encourage lucy to do the same you look like fatso and you are I like to think of myself as big boned feel She loves it. She says fatter the better. What am I doing? I'm just hanging out all day Like my gut sorry, yo You're not fat You're just too fit very big All right, there will be a time when he's wrong fit will be detrimental to your existence Because I don't know maybe you're straight to the government or something You just want someone to be like don't work out too much It'll ruin everything Just hang What do you think girl? She looks like she's doing all right. She's doing good. Yeah, she's doing good Welcome to my island Cervantes says he heard kia got some game now And in the crossover space. Well, I don't know. Uh, he just says he doesn't say crossover in particular Um, they have says kia used to be garbage and is apparently good now Um, that's interesting to know Was probably five or seven years ago in a rental and I was not impressed but if they've gotten better I've seen a few of them. Um One I've gotten ubers or lifts. Um, and they're nice It's nice. Yeah, I mean they've always looked nice, but the ones I've rented were like just drove like Go-karts like But would you say that about I don't know a toyota centra? No, I would be so A Nissan centra. Sorry toyota That about either either the imaginary toyota centra or the Nissan centra either one What's the what's the centra? It's not the Camry, but the Discussing this the other day in our toyota corolla. Okay. All right If you're driving a centra bail out All right, uh, thanks video folks for watching and have a lovely day audio folks stick around there's more to come