 Right about it. And so when the Holy Spirit's light shines in the mind, which reminds you are not unique, special, important, you're the Holy Son of God, you are magnitude beyond, you know, beyond any of this, the mind kind of like the whole world, all the, all the letters and the whole, you know, it starts to shake and collapse a little. And so the mind projects the guilt out onto the body to call forth the witness to prove that it's right, you know, because it projects it out on the body and it says, see God, I'm weak, I'm frail, I'm little and I've got the flu now. I can't be the Holy Son of God. Yeah, it's not my fault, but John can't do it. I even have my flu shot, you know. But you see, you see what's going on there, you can see the dynamics that goes on here, why the mind is insane, admittedly, you know, people will say to me, who in their right mind would choose sickness, you know, who in their right mind? We're back to the levels again. If you're in your right mind, if you're staying up in the abstractness and staying with the Holy Spirit, you're above the world and the body, you don't see the body as positive. Aren't you saying, okay, that, you know, sickness and dying, okay, as the ego is, how the ego perceives it, these backward thoughts are upside down, okay, ideas are actually right side up and straight forward. Yeah. I mean, forward thoughts kind of, I would say, it's just kind of like the Holy Spirit teaches that the mind is causative and so that you can extend forgiveness. You can share the ideas as a course, literally, and that's a forward kind of thing, an extension that I see as moving forward, so that it's kind of like you make it together with somebody and Jesus calls it like false empathy and true empathy. Through the ego, we're used to emphasizing with people going, oh, you poor baby, you poor thing, and that's supposed to be loving and comforting and concerning, and Jesus is saying, wait a minute, you know, don't share those kind of ideas, you poor thing. Those are backward thoughts, but there is a way where we line with the Holy Spirit where we can just hold with that, we can remind the patient in our minds that they're whole and complete, even if there's nothing we can say that we're to say with our mouth, or there may be something that we can share an experience or share an idea that the Spirit will speak through us instead of a different way of looking at it, you know. So that's kind of how I look at backwards and forwards, is it's kind of an extension or a sharing of our real thoughts, without some course of miracles. I've got an example, a friend of mine, she said, I really have been sick and I'm going to go to the doctor and I think I have chronic fatigue syndrome, and without even thinking, it's because she's a science of mind woman. I said, it's absolutely impossible that you have chronic fatigue syndrome, do not go to the doctor, you know it's impossible, it's all right not to go to work, it's all right to stay home. It's okay to be lazy, don't get sick as an excuse, it's impossible to have this. I wasn't even thinking, I wasn't even thinking it just came out, I wish people would do that, I would project people doing that to me. And they said, oh, you poor thing, I know how you feel exactly. And I get sicker and sicker. Of course as it takes, well, two people to agree that you're separate before you get sick, it only takes one to see you as whole, just take care of the healing. And the mind watching, and we're the one, we're not really coming down to that. The proceeding calls for help and we can't really teach salvation, we can't extend the ideas of the Course until we believe in ourselves. You know, that's why it takes a real convincing. But the more you really follow Jesus' logic and reasoning, you know, you really stay with him in the Course, it's by golly, it's sound. I mean, it's just every, when he comes out the very same thing, it's really something. Okay, here's the little one. This just happened, it's funny you said what you said, because you know about saying, oh, it's too good. My husband had something in his mouth today, he was chewing something and he went out the door and his pocket on his coat, out of the door knob and it jerked him back and he bit his tongue and he, yeah, I mean, he made this horrible noise. He takes pain all well. And I said, what happened? Because I bit my tongue. And I said, oh, I'm sorry you bit your tongue, you know. But then I went over to him and I asked the Holy Spirit to heal him, make him feel better. Now, what really happened? Did he cause himself to bite his tongue? I mean, this is a venous, but this is an accident if you want to know. What's he doing? So I'm back with thinking that made it happen and then did I verify that by sympathizing with him? Well, as soon as we asked the question about what he did, I mean, that's when we get back to that, it's all of my lesson kind of thing. It always comes back to our own perception. And really, so it's always my lesson, it's always my perception and it even gets simpler than that, is that there's only, the Holy Spirit perceives only two orders of thought. Everything, whether it's love or call for love, you know. So it's kind of like just staying back in your mind that you know when there's a call for love, it sounds like you were quick to recognize that and quick to... Yeah, definitely. Call for love every day. And the only thing that blocks, it's like the Holy Spirit always sees everything as love or call for love. And he says, and wouldn't you answer a call for love with love? I mean, wouldn't you share it if you could perceive it that way? See, the main thing once again, it gets back into our perception. If there's only love and a call for love, then we'd be in good shape. But the ego says, wait a minute, we've got another alternative over here. Attack. You know, whether I'm being attacked or somebody else is attacking me, or I'm attacking somebody else. And ultimately, the Course is teaching us that this is not a real option. That attack is not real. That these attack thoughts in our mind are not from the Holy Spirit, they are from God and they are real. So you can see as we give up attack thoughts, then we'll cease to start to judge things as attacks. We'll just see everything as love and a call for love. Another way, too, is this form content thing. It can seem like with form, it can seem so confusing at times, because there's so many different forms, there's this myriad of images. But behind all the images is only the love and the call for love. And I think that's why the more you study the Course and the more you really get anchored in its thought system, that you don't get fooled by them when it talks about healing. He asked the question, you know, the question is asked, Jesus, should healing be repeated? You know? And he's saying, you know, we just said that healing is certain. So, healing should not be repeated. If you have continued concern for the patient based on symptoms that still may seem to be there and everything, you need healing. You're the patient now. Because you see, it gets back to our question about continuing symptoms. If we ask the Holy Spirit and we give it over and we see them as whole, and then we keep looking back and checking on how they're doing or if they're recovering or whatever, you know, didn't we really give it over to the Holy Spirit? Or are we still concerned? And you can see we're the patient then. It's probably part of our thought, but we should continue to think that death is not wholeness, isn't it? That death is not wholeness? Yeah, the thing about death is that we, once again, we get tied up on the screen. And we believe that death is death of bodies, right? Animals die, you know, people die, bodies die, and we define death at the form level. I mean, that's what death is. Or we call it transition. Somebody's made a transition in this and that. Where'd they go? I mean, you know, where's where they go? Where a place is a concept in the mind, you know? It's real different when you really get into the deeper realms of the Course instead of thinking of souls that come into bodies and go away and come in and go away. You know, it's almost like, instead, it's like you're just the mind and you're watching a movie screen, you know? And as long as you believe in idols, you're going to continue to see the movie screen. And when you completely give up all the idols, the channels, I mean, this sets off as the Kingdom of Heaven. I mean, that's a different kind of a perspective than thinking this discusses reincarnation and the manual and so on and so forth. It's kind of like, if you think about the perspective of souls coming into a little baby and then leaving when you die, it's kind of funny. A soul is supposed to be immortal, right? An infinite from God. And how does a soul fit into a little teeny slab of flesh, you know? Doesn't it strike you as a little bit funny that something that's changeless, it's supposed to be immortal and infinite, comes into something that's finite and tiny? I mean, you know, it's after a while you start to say, well, that's been a belief that's been very helpful to me. I mean, I believe in reincarnation in my path and it helped me have a sense that God didn't turn anyone away and that everybody makes it back. But when you start to get into the course, when you do some of those concepts, you start to have these experiences and those start to fall away a little bit. Because you start to say, no, that's kind of silly to think of that way. And what Jesus does is he takes something like death, which we've already talked about is defined in the body. And if you read like lessons 163 and 167, they're great. Jesus defines death in literally psychological terms. He says if you have a minor twinge of annoyance, if you're a little miffed off, if you have any kind of pain, hatred, anger, jealousy, envy, God, he just rattles off all these different things and he says death. They're all death. They're all just praise from fear. And that's, I don't know about you, but that's a little bit different definition than what I grew up with. My definition of death was somebody going six feet under. So once again, we're back to the mind watching. If I've got all these backward thoughts and those are thoughts of death and all of my upsetting emotions, depression, anxiety, fear, a thumbnail, a hangnail that's spotting me, whatever it is, pain, all those spring from the ego thought system, then it simplifies that death is simply the ego. And all we have to do is let go and see how silly the ego is. And that's how we transcend death. You know, be a good cheater, bribe, overcome the world is just another translation for it. You know, the ego is silly and false and it has no power over the Holy Son of God. The Son of God can't die. Well, okay, so here you are in the kitchen and you're ready to go for a glass of whatever or a cigarette. What do you do at that moment? And you perceive that as like you're an alcoholic or you're hooked on cigarettes or whatever. What do you do at that moment? Well, it's kind of like all you can do is ask. What I found in my life, when I first started having changes and shifts, it's kind of like just like an alcoholic synonymous, they quit drinking. That can help for quit smoking or quit eating or this and that. Whereas obviously a shift at the symptom level is not a permanent shift and everything, but it can be very, I think conducive and helpful. If you're a candy hauler, don't keep walking by the candy store. Just ask for a prayer or ask for some strength maybe. But ultimately, it's kind of like, I would say that's why AA works so well is the sense that there's such a fellowship and such a kind of getting out of yourself. Call someone up. If you want to get into forgiveness and the purpose of forgiveness, then you want to be used by the Holy Spirit to be of comfort and healing to someone. What is that short circuit of the ego? I mean, you know, all the feelings of craving a cigarette or craving a drug or alcohol or sex or something like that and feeling empty and lonely. If we turn it within ourselves and we identify with this body identity, that just kind of keeps it going that way and then we feel like we need whatever. We feel like we're bound to something physically. That's why I think AA and a lot of these things work. Go out, help a friend, visit someone, call someone, or reach out, you know, and call somebody to say, I need to talk, because a lot of times it's easy to just isolate or whatever. And that's probably the, if I had to say one thing, it would be probably the most helpful thing to do. And as you go along, you get better at watching your mind and helping. Because of course, if you're enjoying that, it creates the feeling. Join with your brother. It really is an intention. I mean, it's, even the joining the ego tries to get in, because remember the ego uses special relationships. So it's like, join with my brother and then you get into the physical stuff. It can, it can go real quick into the physical stuff and then you've got to get something, you know. Hey, you know, I spent somewhere's time with you and you're, you're not meeting my needs. You should be around more than that. It happens with course groups even. I mean, you know, the ego will try to get in on anything. The ego will try to make a special relationship with the course group. When you become addicted, I can't go without my course group. I can't miss a meeting. You know, you can, you can actually, you can see where the specialist comes in. The course group in itself is nothing but it's like it becomes part of the self concept. I'm better now because I'm with these special group of people. It happens with the course of miracles conferences. You know, oh, wow, a national conference. I'll go there and have this big healing event and everything. And the more conferences I can go to or my friends on the conference, only I had enough money that I could go to conferences and I didn't. Because you know what she is. The ego is going to try to use anything in the world to form, to latch on to, to say that you're not doing it right or this and that. And once you get wise to its game, you know, I mean, this is our national conference. We're having it right here. This is very interesting. I mean, you start to see that holding the purpose of forgiveness is where it's all at. And then all of a sudden you're not codependent about, I'm not in the right place.