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So three points at St Mary's. I was one away, one win. That's what I'm saying. She's talking about your record normally. Leave that there. Are we doing it? Hang on. First Heaven Away wins since Switzerland. I mean, it's not. I mean, we've had league cup games. I mean, I like to say that. Yeah, well, of course. First, yeah. First non-cup away games in Switzerland. I was a Switzerlander then. It was a long trip. Switzerland was up, it was a long trip. Southampton felt like a breeze. I felt like we were there in seconds. I don't know why I was thinking. It's ready for hours, yeah. Five hours now. And what's weird, I mean, all the way down there, it's weird, isn't it? Yeah, we haven't lost an away. We haven't won an away game all season up to yesterday. And yet, we've gone to a place where the team had last won. Last played a home and had lost 9-0. And yet, the fear was still that we were going to get beat. People were like, well, I heard people saying, well, you know, maybe if we get beaten, it's in bad circumstances then. He silvered my survival and all this. It's just weird, like, the way that it's always the narratives that we're going to, you know, on us, that we're going to lose. And yet, it wasn't like we're going to play Southampton at absolute garbage and we should have batted in today. It's a confidence thing, that though, isn't it? It's also a self-protection thing. Well, it is, cos it's like, yeah, a new way to get beaten. And that's what you do, don't you think? You know, you try to do it with other teams, don't know how you did win. And it doesn't hurt as much or, you know what? Yeah, I knew. You've done that a lot recently? Yeah, I've, yeah. It was weird because obviously looking at it, you think, this is it for the taking of this game. We're playing these. They've just, like you said, they were batted 9-0. Now, normally everyone would have been the next game, not the next home game, just the next game. But both sides, you can look at it two ways, can't you? You can look at it and go, they're just not very good, so we should beat them anyway. But the other way you were looking at it was, we've got no confidence either, away from home, being shocked, you know, at Southam, a record at Southam, it's not very good anyway. South Coast? It's like the fourth, four years since we last won there. The record on the South Coast was three draws and eight defeats in the last 11 games before Saturday. We'd already lost a bright in the Bournemouth this season. So there was a lot of things that made it a bit fretful, you know, Andre Gomez, Fabian Delphes ruled out as well. So there was a lot of things in the manager, like him or not like him, has had to take a lot of, Evan had been kicked a lot this season in terms of just things that haven't gone our way as well and I'm not holding that up an excuse as to why we went because we've also been rubbish as well, particularly away from home. So going into the game, you look at it going, go either way this, they could be fired up like and score and batted us or we actually will dig into that and get the win. As opposed to that, we were talking about it before the game and it was like well, a couple of weeks ago, Brighton, we were winning, we were close to getting that elusive away win and Va stepped in and robbed us of it. Can we do it today? You know, the manager made changes, you know, a couple of enforced changes but, you know, I think the big thing is now what the manager seemed to have done is, the likes of Siddi B is in the team instead of Coleman. The big decision for him would have been to drop Michael King for Holgate. You know, obviously Holgate played a brighton cos Jeri Mina was injured, but he's kept Mina and Holgate together which is the correct decision as well and he now looks like, at least what he's got now is a very mobile back four for Siddi B and you were saying this as well yesterday with it being in a way game. Does go high up the pitch but he can recover quickly as well. He's very strong as well and he's a big lad isn't he? Wins is 50-50s because he's stronger than the other player. That's a big thing. What do you think is the snyddling coming into the team? I started on the 11th the other day obviously and I was looking and a new Delph would probably be off the side and so I went for snyddling and a few people were like I don't want to see him in the team. I understand that he's not exactly my go-to player as well but what I thought was... Who's the alternative? What I thought was, if he plays with a Wobie and Davis in the middle, then there's loads of legs now and he can literally just sit in front of the back two and just protect the two centre back. He's got three and he went for snyddling but snyddling did that and I actually thought he was all right snyddling because when you've got Trond Davies in the field, he wants to take the ball and get forward and to be fair to snyddling he's never really in the game but he does try to take the ball and play forward so and again a game, if you've got your two fullbacks flying on then you need that little bit of protection so the manager went with that and he brought I said to you on last Monday didn't I? I felt he may go back to Genc Towson and go for that front three that started the season last season which was all right with the Charles snyddling and that's what he did and to be fair to snyddling we started the game back to front three from the first Premier League game I mean there's two ways you're looking at it isn't it? There's one way you're looking at a go-and-ball you know he's saying, training, he's giving them a go oh he's just throwing things and open-shutting stick I'm not having to go at any of those players and I'm not necessarily having to go with the manager but we're supposed to be evolving and to go back to what your face from three was in a Premier League game just seems strange but you know what it's the hand that's been dealt with certainly through injuries as well and also by not maybe buying enough players not saying not buying the right players just not buying enough players I think for me one of the disappointments with the manager is I'll just put this graphic on here just to illustrate you know I haven't find the feet of last but just as we go on to that what I would say is that I think you're right what you said there about Jibril Sibirbyn and maybe not Hullgate as much but I won't be coming central at times and I know he wasn't even starting he said I just thought it was a weird decision I did and generally thought that was a weird decision but just him starting to maybe play his own players which I find strange that he wouldn't have done that anyway I find that strange that he didn't feel like he could drop certain players like Sigarton or needed an opportunity to take him out instead of just going this is what I want I want 4-3-3 and maybe there is a case of saying being pragmatic and saying I need can't play him because I need a player behind him who can do this job and that player is not here because that player is either Gabamon or you haven't got me Kate Zoomer or whatever you know football isn't it isn't about saying always saying who's the best player in a position it's about how he fits into the other players it is that bleeding fever ultimate football chemistry thing at times it is how they all fit together it's why you can have 11 great players and they don't work because they don't complement each other and I think listen I don't want a smaller squad in terms of we've got a lot of games coming up you want all the quality you can but I am not necessarily sure that Marco Silva can deal with a big squad because I don't know what happens at times is when he's got a smaller squad he can go you're playing you're playing and you're staying and you're staying and you roll out I think he took too many times and he's everything created he's just gone whip it up start again but the sensations there to do that but I think with a lot of man even even there like a clock really if you look at what Liverpool have done they've had like a core of like 15 players who play most of the game I don't know well but they play most of the games they play most of the game and then occasionally he drops one because he was great at that he had a smaller squad and he played the most when you do that your players get used to playing with each other your players get a core we know what they're doing we spoke about Tom Davis last week and I know we'll speak about him again in a bit but we know where to pass because that players making the run there when you're looking at something and you're not getting the results the temptation is to look around and go because they might just change something or I'm going to play him and I was listening to him and interviewed Gary Stevens when he was over the other way at first time I'd seen it the other day and he said how a Kenble used to do was he'd just have them all working on partnerships and he went like him and Trevor Stevens stay behind sometimes and just do another 20 minutes he said but we had that everywhere all over the way sharp and grey he had it with Reid and Bryce well he would do the two centre backs did all something new where they were and I think when the ideal in your mind is have 20 world class players and we just mix them in and out but to do that you've got to be a team that's winning loads of games and be successful so that you've got a high quality player you can come into that teams enough games to mix it round I think when you play for Marco it's trying to get a baseline and talk about where we know that Everton will perform at this level every week and then the other players make you go 8 and 9 whereas at the minute cos he's having 5s and 6s he's going you two come in and there's no real core so that's what now with that back 4 and Pickford it looks like all of a sudden no one's talking about Pickford again the last couple of games he seems to be a little bit like he's back on it the last few spares on Saturday you know he's centre backs now all of a sudden you've got those two in place and there's the record since the last international break you know he's won 3 out of 5 games and we were a va that's brightening away from potentially winning spares last week the Premier League have come out and said Connelly's penalty shouldn't have been one the Retialison was one and the Retialison won last week against Spares and the handball were both penalties so if that goes in Everton's favour like a couple of other clubs I've mentioned in the Premier League we'd have 5 more points we've been the top 5 or something so you know what you're saying about him but of course it is but that doesn't he has one thing I just meant overall no I know what I'm saying but I think he's got to he has decided on or he's been allowed to decide on some players and I think he just needs to be a little bit more forceful on that or and decide what he wants because it's no coincidence to me that him just knuckling down with a couple of players and not being able to just swap and change in every week because someone like Mason Hallgate or someone like Sidderby like you've just said they're going to take a little bit of time if you pull them in and out every week you've got to let them sit this was something that was said about Jerry Mina last season aww he looks dodgy but he was in one week out the next they may be in for three games then out don't know how fit he was when he was playing those games not getting the tempo not getting used to the style of play now he's played nearly every single game this season but a couple and you can see the consistency level he's a top player that's why we bought him you know seeing a fun minute one with like Luca Dean it was a chance to get him in last season got him in and he's just like steadily got in there but Luca Dean's actually a good example of not doing that as well because when you change people around it makes his game drop off so it is more having that consistency all over the pitch and saying we're going to leave you in because we know you're the best partnership therefore therefore everyone's going to work together well if I'm critical of them that was where it started after Villa he dropped dropped Bernard off the team Bernard wasn't the issue Bernard was playing well and him and Luca Dean were the best thing we had so he'd have to look at himself there and go I made the mistake there by doing that I hope he should be playing central he's more mobile and much bigger than this I mean he'd come on yesterday and all of a sudden he got us going for a couple of great balls immediately forward passes that got us on the front foot again so that's what he has to do he has to let partnerships develop and then it's up to but the flip side of that is you've got to take your chance when you're giving it as well there was a lot of disharmony before the game when Moise Keane wasn't in the 18 and you'll ask yourself why Moise Keane wasn't in the 18 haven't you? so it's up to people to take their opportunities and the two young lads do it in our team now both doing that exactly it's just holding it Moise Keane, Anthony Gordon was on the bench when Moise Keane wasn't on the bench and like you say you've got a I don't know what's going on but the manager is asking for more and maybe he's not getting more these players who are getting involved they've had opportunities it's why it's nice to see players like Davies and like Holgate taking their opportunity because these opportunities won't come around all the time and shouldn't come around all the time if you've got a good team you know what to do I mean I was talking to the piff yesterday and he was like well if go Batman and everything he would fit Davies wouldn't be playing and I was like well yep clops already said it if Daniel Klein wouldn't have got an injury Trent Alexander-Anne wouldn't have been playing and he's fluckering now they can't do without him now he can't look up and be over critical sometimes of managers because young players don't get the chance young players have to do is when they get that chance improve I think one thing with Davies how big he looks physically now to what he was he looked at him 12 months ago he wasn't as strong but you have to look at just as a team now just before we move on you have to look at that and go look we had the last international break and it was really lost a barely and it was grim wasn't it he pressed for two weeks when we were looking and going what are we going to do it would be fair to the team they've responded in the right way there's that set of fixes that we've had now okay people are looking we should have won four of them we were like I said before we were a bar away from winning four of them but I feel like over this last month there's a little bit more fighting the team and a little bit more steeliness I don't know whether you see it differently but I just feel as though there's been slight improvements in togetherness with them and he's made some important decisions that he's had to make there I just think he comes down to plays you shouldn't be playing and I'm playing simple as that, I mean I know yes he was different because Snyder and Syga are in but they were in because players were in you but now that's up to them to take days before the West Ham before the West Ham game we had plays you shouldn't have been in that team and then suddenly we go into that West Ham game and you've got Tom Davis in the side the Charleston playing up front and you've got a woe be in the middle a woe be in the middle of the park and then we've seen Tom Davis, we've seen Keane drop out and Coleman hasn't got a chance where is everyone I think people kept on saying we'll be back, he'll be back it shouldn't be like that Syda B wasn't brilliant last week but that doesn't mean that opens the door for Shane that's what I'm saying it should be like you've got to give players a chance and I think that's what we have seen in the last month there's more players are taking the chance they're seeing an opportunity and they're taking it and I think that's absolutely right do you think us as fans are being guilty this season of expecting us to do better without looking at the whole process do you know what I mean and again this isn't defending it because we've lost six games and for me we've replaced City so we shouldn't have lost that many but instead of looking at the team and going well there's going to be moments in the season where you say Syda B he's got to come in and he's got to bed in it might take him a few weeks and the man is just trying to mix this and we've lost two key elements of our team between Garner and Zuma we were taking everything into account some people did and some people were rightly cautious but me personally I was looking and thinking well we've still got good players and the games we've got are favourable but now when you take a step back because we were in such a low position you start looking and going well maybe we're seeing the benefits of how we're being given we're seeing the benefits of Dave we're seeing the benefits of Syda being there now Syga has had to kick up the backside we've got a player all of a sudden you can replace him and once that gets together we'll be a better player I think a lot of it comes down to we made fatal errors it can't be said enough we've made fatal errors in the transfer market and the fatal errors I looked at it and I didn't think we'd get top six this season because I just simply didn't think we had enough but one of the things that every team apart from the top two starts the season slowly and what they bank on for results is good fortune mistakes or that one player that one player they might have making the difference like we did with Lukaku and I think the first six weeks of the Premier League are always like that now we haven't got that one player but also what we didn't have and then this is massively important to anybody to replace the players we've lost so it wasn't a case of if you want to be a successful team what you've got to do is have players that you build on top of what you've already got you shouldn't expect to lose players and if you do lose players you want to lose those players early in the transfer window and then replace them early and then let that player bed in we didn't replace Zuma which was our pace and we didn't replace Ghana till a week before the season so therefore the kid who was coming to replace him had no opportunities even he had to get fit because he came back from the African Nations so when we were trying to get into our stride like every other team we were two steps behind everyone else as well so that for me is the difficulty and we had no one to almost go like for like either with Ghana we had no one who was capable of getting around or we didn't play that person so we played Snidlin instead of Ghana so straight away pace wise it's miles off it and then at the back we had Keane with me now Meena is growing into it because he's been our player this season that's not have it any other way but you're right there was no pace there so we lost two key elements of that team and if we would have got someone like I don't know say like Ben Ingemi would have been ready for argument like being involved day one he could have replaced Ghana so to speak as he's more mobile and Snidlin now although he's a downgrade on Ghana his mobility still allows you as a team to do things with a different team with Snidlin in it and triggered in it a slower team but then because of that though on day one the manager makes I think a crucial error in bringing on Bamanon instead of Tom Davis and this is what all managers seem to have a problem with Tom Davis I'm going to move on to Tom Davis very much in our book this is a crucial error I think a load of people have done with Tom Davis he's gone you're a 19, 20, 22 year old 21 year old player who plays for Evan but we've got this new shiny thing here I don't have to worry about you come play in skateboard or something and that's what the manager should have done on day one this is actually we go back this is what thing that Moise used to not do Oswin was always like the go to guys for wherever it wasn't like I wouldn't get that nice new shiny thing to say I'll just get Lee on Oswin and he'll do all that for me this is where I think the manager got it wrong because he tried to he was like you get in the team son get in there and put yourself in there and he was like and then straight away you're like people are going he doesn't look that good and it's like mate he's had a weak training come out the African nations and he's playing Jamie he gives the lad a break plays against Wafford and he got through the game even though we weren't great in the field and then he gets his injury he gets his injury and then the manager then he's like oh what's now then then it's like so straight away he's like he's completely looked past this kid all the way which I think was a massive error for me and there's like there's not just that one example there's three or four of those examples all over the pitch and you've got to have plays you can rely on as well and you know people like Sigurdson Sigurdson had terrible pre-season he strolled around for it like literally just strolled around pre-season so he never started the season and again he can have like three or four of those examples and once you have that there's no surprise you don't care and then you're waiting for all these other players to get up to speed you haven't really replaced other players and then you're getting injuries and it's just led to one thing to another hasn't it and I think it's a tough time and that's just what I said about last week at the top of the game where we were a little bit angry with it but when you take a step back and you go if we played like that against Brighton then we wouldn't be sitting here or see that's the thing we've done I think in the last month we've got something out of all of the games apart from the Brighton game whether you blame the VAR or not we've managed to get something and I was very critical that we got beat against Brighton I think the last ten minutes we should have just maybe shut up shop and just shut it down it's gone long there's nothing wrong with in that Brighton game and I wasn't saying this at the time but the reality is what you do there is you get your shape and you've got Calvert Llewman on the pitch and you just banger into the corners and you get what you can, you get bits and pieces from it don't know what it is but you know what in this game I think we did lane a little bit but Tom Davis I thought was excellent on Saturday obviously scored the first goal I don't know whether that was a routine or not the manager said it was because he said it almost paid off but I watched it again before and I definitely could see there was something in it to be looked at as a routine and it worked and I think there are the things that you go that's good seeing a brilliant one from Bournemouth seeing a brilliant one from Wolves today just before we've come in to record those things that's what I'm saying no one makes you laugh about stuff like that what makes you laugh about stuff like that is people like Roberto Martinez who said there's nothing to be gained from the set piece it's like what's the Wolves goal the Wolves goal is absolutely wonderful now that's for a corner it's a free kick and watch the Bournemouth goal it's gorgeous it's something that's been worked on and the finish is lovely and it's something that you go in training you go oh lads we work well hang on remember it's first down game last season the free kick sure Snyddon think you're out on the corner Snyddon out on the corner woke up wonderful and he ran out the all run open I remember saying to you I remember saying to you when we had the pre-season game oh I know we're going to score more goals from the set pieces it has a materialise like that but we looked like we were working on it you've got to have a bit of invention haven't you Newcastle recently they've won the last two games drawn the other one and I think something like four or five of the goals that we scored by the defenders from set pieces being working on Steve Bruce what was I good at as a player what was I good at as a coach what was I going to get as goals where other people aren't scoring goals you can't write off such a key element in the game of which is set plays you get corners and free it's an opportunity to put the team under pressure it's exactly what we did got a corner out of it whole gate meets the first one and Davis is right on the back and great at the plan to keep it McAfee and it's 1-0 it's exactly what you want going away for a moment you look delighted isn't it it's great to see the young kid never throw you scored do you know what the math thing was none of us knew he scored he's the only blonde dead bearded lad playing for everything no we just couldn't tell because he's done the far end isn't he alcohol no it happened so fast it happened so fast but no he's probably stunned he looked like he really wanted it yesterday I thought he had his tenacity was a couple of times because I thought a lot of the game over five yards we weren't aggressive enough he was a real really annoying me especially early on in the second half that was the biggest dip in the game 15 minutes after that the period they scored there wasn't enough aggression to get to close those five yards I've seen a little bit of Sheffield's United yesterday and they were all over Tottenham State first five yards they had it shut down and it was like then you won the ball back then you reset it's what the best teams are good at there's not enough press and stats are normally quite high I think press and stats is one thing it's actually when you watch it visually and you see just that aggression getting people and I think that's what Tom did yesterday he got in people's face and just made those little key little attempts to win the ball what about the challenge right on after that when Meiner and Holgate are both should have done better and they come flip the cross and they come across from nowhere with the block tackle and it was a brilliant challenge and it was that desire to make sure they were keeping them out and I thought to be honest I thought we started the game really well and then I thought we had some fantastic bits of football we cut through them like listen people might go up to only Southampton because it seems every team we beat is only according to some fans whereas when other teams beat them that team's amazing we've lest they beat them, they're amazing if they haven't beat them it's that it's only Westam, it's only Westam but what I thought Devon did really well he kept going in that first half but there was just little moments there was a great move between Towson and Walcott and then Towson added it over and then there was Dean we were shooting for them he nearly scored with a cross shot keeping them safe it just seemed like everybody was getting shot away we got to half time, we'd had 12 attempts they hadn't had a single attempt to do that to a team that was coming off the back of a 9-0 home defeat and you're thinking they're going to be snapping into every tackle here let's just look at Tom's numbers so touches 60, goals 1 shot 3 Tom's boss success with passes 28 success with all of pass 13 pass accuracy 72% which is a little bit lower than it was last week at home but he scored a goal and he played a couple of rich passes to try and get success with tackles 3 interceptions 3 cleansers 2 I think he won all his headers as well all the heading duels I think he won as well so he's all round game I think he's getting a little bit better getting that consistency that's important as well he's getting the doubters off his back as well I don't understand why and we've said this I don't know why more people don't want them to do well and I think when you've got people on your side if you do make mistakes people can go well he does more right than wrong and maybe there was a period where he was doing more wrong than right but you've got to let people come through that you know football is clear we'll always have us ups and downs especially young football is clear but you know I think with him and Hallgate as well you've got to let them have that time you know I know Martin has sort of said it with stones and it was annoying because it felt like we were fattening them up for somebody else to eat I mean he fattened himself up as well but it felt like that and Martin was just right but Martin has never said never actually went like this fella's going to be the future of Everton for the next 10 years and maybe he said stuff like that then people would have looked at it slightly different you know this lab or he'd said something like oh remember Kevin Rackles first season he was a little bit hit and miss wasn't he and that's what I want, I want this fella to be Everton's most successful captain or whatever I don't know it's how sometimes you put it across but I always thought it's home and this is why I've always we've always backed them I've seen us back them as I look at Tom and go Tom Davis could stay at Everton for the rest of his career and have a really good career and could win things and could be the captain and it would be brilliant it would be brilliant because I think he's got the talent where there's other players you do look at and you go oh yeah but it doesn't really matter because he'll go and look on somewhere else with Tom I think there's that thing where he'll be a really good Everton player for his whole career and that's another reason why it's not like you look at it and go look at them blindly look at them and go oh you made a mistake but it's alright because it's Tom and sometimes you get that going on you never criticise your favourites do you and it's like well I do but at the same time I understand the position there in you know young player trying to get consistency doesn't play all the time but now you know I think off the back it's really been a big part of getting a little bit more of that he's been in our midfield for the last five games and we've won three of them in drumming and the only game he lost was off we can skate over it but the Premier League have come out and said it wasn't a penalty to Brighton we were winning 3-1 with ten minutes left they were doing nothing what I'm saying is there's been ten in Everton's 40s with Davies on the side I love him he's a great player people have a thing with him and it's like mad and they do it with some of our players they go he's not well class so he's not good enough and it's like how many well class players have we got you know even if he becomes just a very good Everton player and that's it and he's in and around the squad he mentioned Leon Oswm before also he had great feet but there was loads of times he shouldn't have been in Everton's team but you know what you could rely on him and then other games he would drag us through with an important goal or a great performance people look back on Oswm and go he gets more credit now if he's finished that people look back and go wow what a player but at the time people were like especially after Wembley people were like should never play for Everton again and he played another five or six I mean he should never have played in the position he played he was never a wide player ever he was probably Oswm great feet always come up with a goal just that kill was better in that role but what I mean with Davises he can still be a really good Everton player even if he isn't well class he can still be important for our squad but he's 21 years of age I want him to be Everton's captain but I only want him to be Everton's captain if he performs at a certain level I only want him to play if he's at a certain level but it doesn't mean he's going to give the ball away because of the player he is but I think we've seen in the last few weeks we've seen that yes there he is he's tender not to give that ball away now he's not making that cross pass or not looking or under hitting that was a big thing for me but that's trying to take care that's trying to make sure more recently I think he's now prepared to fire a ball into somebody like I've seen one yesterday he was straight into a walk of bang like half straight into him what he does better than anyone is the first time forward so he comes in and you just talked about Wolves, Gambormath Leicester scored a brilliant goal yesterday Faddy's and it was all first time and the reason why Arsenal couldn't get set was it was done so quickly so it was bang Tealamans bang Gambardy put it in and that's what Davises does for us Davises it's first time because you do it you're talking about getting in people's faces over the first five yards we'll watch how quick the good teams move the ball what slows everything down as we get a touch and then we look up and we're looking around and when we do things faster and instinctively we then put teams on the back foot he's going into the under 21s now and hopefully he has another couple of games for them or at least one game and then we come off the back of it and it'll be important playing in December and I know this some people who watch us have whatever opinions you want of them but I just want people to want them to do well that's the only thing I've ever wanted is for people to want them to do well and to think whether you like no matter what player what you think their level is just want them to do well especially someone who's like proper Evertonian I wouldn't have snaglan in my ideal team but every time he pulls the blue sheath on I want them to have a good game I do Sigarton has fell out with them this season because he's annoyed me because he's got a great level of ability in his body but he's way below I still want him to play well I don't want to be able to go he was crap today I want to go gilfy was brilliant today and there's nothing wrong with that so fans genuinely want players to do well and go in play very well today that's fine of course but we have to there's like a you've got to be on this side of the fence or that side of the fence and it's like let's get behind them because who knows with our back and how good he can be but you know he was great and there was other players he was great but I mean you mentioned there just before half time we'd had one shot and scored from it on target 12 attempts although I thought Tom Davis was on target well Tom Davis was an attempt on target though but I thought it was on target because he tipped it over it was in the top corner dropping in the top corner the stat that wasn't given but neither was another one he tipped over from whole gate because that was across but I think that's the problem with at the moment is we don't make the most of what we've got and other teams who have less do and that's the difference I'd buy into a lot of stuff I don't buy into that I think it's a load of nonsense because I don't think you play decent level football you centre forward it doesn't matter what your expected goals are if you haven't got a centre forward you can put the ball or you don't shoot on goal it doesn't matter what your expected goals is it's a load of bollocks it's the biggest load of nonsense and I've had the injury telling me what the score is going to be because when I had a fair scene I was like that's just nonsense because it really doesn't matter but all it's saying is the chances are that good that you should score the goals what it's good for is showing you the quality of chances like I haven't had 24 attempts at goal yesterday I haven't looked at the exit I bet you did do you know what it's good for absolutely nothing say that it's good for telling you that you need a new centre forward that's what it's good for it's good for saying no it's not his fault it's good for people it's good for like it's good for like maybe to take the blame off one person and put it on another person that's what it's good for what we don't do enough is hit the target it's as simple as that no scientist can tell me anything else we don't hit the target enough we come out at second half and you know they're going to raise their game a little bit because the managers will go you should be forward there if you're in my possession or whatever but you know so get out there and have a go for the first 15 minutes and you'll get one opportunity and Danny Ings will always take one opportunity always you will and they do and they've got it you've seen us come out a little bit like because at last time we've gone if we get a second before last time we win this 4-0 but we all knew with it only being 1-0 that they would get a chance and they've got it and it's poor because Morgan Snyden let a lad run past them that if he's sensible and just put it this way right if you try and tackle him outside the box and you're unsuccessful it's still outside the box once you're in the box you can't even touch him unless it's with Charleston you can't touch him then and that's what happens and the lad manages to just put a ball across it hits the early meaner on the heel on the instep and then Danny Ings is where a strike is your bait that's happening and to get a back to 1-1 and then you're just thinking oh no not again and I think that was the annoying part they get a free kick bit later on Pickford makes a great save to stop it from going 2-1 and I know I could see from where that was and you're thinking not again you know it shouldn't be giving files away against the player that models himself on a runiconi that was all I had to say the biggest issue for Everton was the first 5 minutes what do you say to any team or any level kids Sunday league with your mates anything you say keep it tight for the first 10 minutes Everton come out said to be give a stupid free kick away within a minute the lad was going nowhere and he booted them and he was like what are you doing so we cleared that then he got a corner didn't he and the commentary team loved telling you that we conceded off a corner even though the corner had been cleared still a set piece that still a set piece but anyway me and the red did away and Snaglan jogs out to Peter Andrew you've just come on Bufol you've just come on giving it the mysterious girl and he showed them right once he went past them into the box he was done but that's what I was saying before that's aggression that's something Snaglan never has he's got no aggression he's got no aggression you get to someone quickly unless they're a really good player you've forced them into something they don't want to do which is to play the safe ball Southampton done it in the first half they let Walcott that lad let Walcott face him up he pushed the cross it still had an element of luck he fires it across and it hits me in it and goes behind him at the goal and in but I always look at it there's no such thing as looking for a ball because if you rewind the type you've got to prevent it and Danny Inge don't brilliant me because he followed the ball he loves it he loves it everyone was putting bets on for us to win there's no doubt there's a lot of people with a lot of money the last four or five games against us for about ten minutes we were at the top because he didn't do much other than the war prize which was a brilliant save actually by Pickford but that was stupid he went like that and the lad throws himself down the referee's free and you can see that he hasn't touched them but he made a couple of changes he brought a Wobie on and a Wobie had a little bit of life to the team he got us a little bit more direct and we started straight away you could see starting Towsham put one just wide a Wobie you could see us straight away we were getting on and off didn't we yes sorry before that Colgate had missed a gut chance as well he didn't realise how close he was he just let that scheme off his editor goal he didn't realise he was that close but we started to make once a Wobie came and we started to make more chances just getting higher up the pitch because that's what we stopped doing this is what I think is great about a Wobie is that he connects the forwards to the midfield which isn't there otherwise that's what a midfielder should do which isn't there otherwise and straight away he's positive he wants to run forward with the ball lovely ball to Calverloo give the eyes and play the other way and it's a brilliant block actually it's the same place but it was the same place that he scored he does the same thing and the lad comes across and blocks it but the goal itself a Wobie gets the ball out wide and he's somehow paced on the ball there's just enough paced that he could hit the first time on the run so this is the thing that's changed this as well when he's stopping and he's stopping he's allowed them there what would he have done there to stop the train back but he's got all the paced from his run because he hasn't had to check he's put all the paced on the ball from his run which means that for Charleston and he isn't a simple goal it's a great finish for Charleston knows that if you get something on a clean the power should take it past the keeper it should do you just make sure you get it what we've done well there as well was Don made a run from post so we had two players running on to the ball so the eyes were on Don cos he's made the run cos he probably knows and training Siddabi throws it in but if you're playing and you're thinking it should be if you're playing I think you cross it all the time I can just make that run and Shamus as well like you just said there Shamus gets it and what does Shamus want to do Shamus never wants to with faith then he wants to if he doesn't check back he tries to take him on but the problem with that is then you've got forwards going coming back and then going again and it takes the natural momentum out of it whereas on this it's clean all of it's clean a woby the cross with Charleston he could have been and as you said there to go forward play for Don he makes the run cos even if you're the centre back behind you're thinking I've got a go in there to try and cut it it was a great ball and it was a brilliant folly it was a great goal we want him to get on a little run he's our top player seeing people giving them a lot of stuff I actually don't think he played very well I don't think he ever doesn't put a shift in cos he's just the way he is but there's other games that he's far more dangerous in where yesterday there was one right at the start of the second half where we added in a box with him and he just tried a lazily played it against the defenders it's like if you'd have took your time took some of the square we could have scored made the 2-0 but he was there and he comes up with the goal big and it's a great finish and after that he had the 3-kick that deflected on to the outside of the post he had one that was just deflected wide as well that was just spun wide and the keeper was wrong footed but you know what we scored nearly exactly the same time we scored against Brighton pretty much and it was then a case of like can you keep your heads you've got to lead into the last minute can you keep your head and they didn't really trouble us and we looked more likely to score and I told Don down there he started taking it on his chest and spinning with it and playing little and that's when Dave has come into his own and to be fair he started keeping the ball importantly and trying to get a wall being and we were just a little bit calmer with the whole thing there was just one moment where Hall guy played at a crossing he ate under it and said that he got back and made a brilliant tackle it was wide it wasn't like a thing they got a free kick an injury time we defended it well other than that that was it they struggled but for Everton it's a big win because we're our confidence it's a mental thing they were poor the fans were pretty much resigned the whole atmosphere of the game for them was like I just find it weird that the manager just doesn't seem under pressure you can give a level of a go but isn't that the point with them what we've been said about us is like they need some stability and to be honest looking at their players then what should they do what they really should do is just go back to basic make them difficult to beat keep digging I don't stop for us it was a big mental test that we had to get over yesterday it was a big mental test because of the belief on the fans the fans have been going up and down the country every other week and people are like it's only shell fans it's like these people go everywhere to watch Everton and it's the belief though that we can win when you get it good teams get on that look at Lester now Lester fans will be going everywhere at the moment expecting them to win because they're on a roll so the confidence everyone feels good I wouldn't say they won't stop winning or they could stop winning but they'll dent the confidence whereas for us we've needed to be dragged up we've lost a villa we've lost a bormath you can say it's only shell fans but those other teams I've just mentioned that much better so it's about getting the win mentally and physically and you've just said there we scored the same time to go two on up exactly the same yesterday and the players haven't crumbled the players haven't froze we looked like we were capable of getting a third goal and a fourth goal when I looked at our players and looked at their players the kind of players we had on the page it does like sick of me that they could have gone above us yesterday you know what I'm saying they're on level level of play you just look at it and think we're not getting enough out all I say this to you though when you actually step away from it and look at Evanton's players be any of the team that tries to drop four or five you look and go are we crystal palace? because we don't utilise our players and we haven't done enough of this but other teams have done it one of the reasons why and we've told Tom this before it's coming right I've always been critical of Michael Keane and one of the reason because I just don't think he's got the mental attributes to play for Evanton I really don't I know what honestly being in that there is a level of expectation on Evanton which maybe people have gone why but the just is going our own going good somewhere that's full that's full every week there's a level of expectation no matter whether people see it or not we're still a big club and in our eyes we're the fourth fifth most successful team so that isn't going to go away this creates a weight on players and it's difficult and you know what it creates a weight and because we buy a certain type of player or can't buy those because the players are at the very top they're mentally stronger they have to be able to cope with going to Granz and playing in front of 80, 90,000 million people in front of TV and deal with all that pressure that comes with it and that's why they are the way they are and we have players who come in and they've got to Michael Keane coming from Bailey Bailey can win one week 3-0 and lose the next week 3-0 and it doesn't matter they'll finish mid-table or day-to-day about 11 or be like they've had a great season as long as they stay up and that's all that matters come to our club and suddenly the expectation goes up but then the rewards come up with it you're in the England team or whatever and he's a player for me though I think he's very very happy sitting on the bench at the moment Michael Keane I genuinely believe he'll just be like let this whole thing blow over and I'll be fine whereas Nation Hallgate is a lad I think he wants to be in the evidence team and and loves playing against the best strikers and loves testing themselves and loves being in the spotlight and loves the chance to score or the chance to set up and that's what I want and that's where sometimes you get players who people might not think are better than other players but it's that thing that separates them and I think Nation so far has been fantastic and actually one of the things I've added to that is the fact that he has scored a goal and he has had a couple of assists and things like that that all help to second assist isn't it all help building up your own confidence of course but it builds up the fans confidence what we're talking about we sat and done a live the other week when he wasn't in the team and we were like should he be giving a chance now because Michael's not playing very Michael Keane's not playing very well so he can go he's had those moments though where he switches off but I remember saying maybe it's time to just put him in now and go let's see how he does and if he does have those moments just be with him John Stones had them every other week and people still love them so you're only going to know whether this kid's good enough by giving them games to play in and he's come in and to be fair to him in general alright try to that aside he was excellent he's been excellent in most of the games he's looked like you just said he's had a couple of assists he scored a goal he gets the tackle and he likes the tackle which is what I like about him he likes the tackle and it means a lot to him you know what I like this one right because he doesn't mind putting his foot through the ball and whether it be whether it be a wonderful long ball or an avid ball it's you cracking ball so well cut yes that's it he doesn't mind just putting his foot through the ball to get rid of it he's got no problem with that he is a proper defender that's got a little bit of something better as well but where's he come from played in the league for Barnsley he had to dig in his own town he's come here he wants to do well he believes in this you said before about mental side the mental capacity of certain players every Premier League player should go footballer because they wouldn't be playing in the Premier League at the top level but the top players is that mentality and E for me is gory now whether he's good enough to keep just playing at E I don't know but look at this try it then when he's gory what I like about that one is right this is one where it's not back and forth to him and yet he means it because there's very very little between there is but it doesn't go it means another man I don't think mine's putting his foot through it forward passes 23 years that's a good rate isn't it long ball I can see 85% recoveries 11 clearances for successful tackles 3 so all the attributes of a good modern centre back and well that isn't in there will be pace which is what he's got which is what we were crying out for which is why people were worried and dreaming didn't come and rightly so because I think a lot of people have written nice enough now we commented pre-season that he looked bigger I said that about Tom to you before he looked physically but can he keep his place now can he stay in the manager was very very complimented about him after a game again saying he's been brilliant since he got in but it's a case for now it's a case for the manager and for Mason Horgate himself to especially for Horgate what he's got to do now is go and I said this for Tom and Mason Horgate it's this is you'll never get a better chance you'll never get a better chance to cement yourself in the event team you've got an opportunity now if you're allowed I mean first of all you've got to be allowed the opportunity right you've got to be allowed you've got someone to say I'm putting you in the team and that hasn't happened that much and it's do you have three good games and have one bad game and they go no you're out the side well I don't think I think you'll be alright because I honestly don't believe Michael Keane is at a level and because we've only got three we don't believe it's not going to Michael Keane would have to be really good in training and he'd have to have a really bad game for the manager I think to redress that situation and the same with Tom I think it's different for Tom because it comes down to numbers we ain't going to have the numbers Tom's going to play I think most weeks now if not every game just still got to keep his level no I know but I'm saying no I think both of them I think with both of them it comes down to the mental side of it don't get comfortable just because you've become a it's that thing of it's easier to get to the top than stay on the top because you've got to knuckle down now and go alright I've got my place but now I've got to keep it because they're all and the manager will be going oh yeah we've only got three centre backs so we need to go buy another centre back with your buying a centre back you want the one you're buying to be better than the other three you've already got surely that's the way you've got to look at it if you want to be a better football club isn't it if you want anyone in a position that player is going to be better so for both of them now especially formation you know is it a good blip or is it just who you really are and you know you just what's it in 22 right good time now you compliment the other centre back who is a is a very very good centre back you compliment him well I think they like playing together and I think he's got as you said he's got that mental side and as you said before we can get that four nailed down now for a long period help the goalkeeper out help the people in front as well people start to lane each other's games and where in other parts of the team we have had we have had chopping and changing because of injuries or the manager let's not start messing about with that back four listen if you can understand each other's game and keep conceding the goals down from a minimum you're giving yourself an opportunity in every game that's Westam no goals Brighton okay we know what happens at Brighton but Spares one goal Southampton one goal let's make sure Norwich I know we had none in the Carabao Cup which was good but Norwich at home next let's make sure that's no goals then all of a sudden because it's been a while since we kept the clean sheet in the Premier League all of a sudden you start looking at the other end and going well the defence is alright so we can get a shooting through from so to speak especially when we're going into a month where we will be tested a lot more listen you take that as a challenge take that as a challenge don't you we'll be playing teams that will test us at the other end but the thing about that is if we can keep those teams out we will have a chance of scoring goals because the games will be open so we've got to keep the level and start hitting the target to the other end those two lads we've just been speaking about is an example for Moise Keane he needs to look at them and go they forced their way into the start and that's what I've been doing I think the manager needs to pick a position for him by the way and just go that's what helps but then that's what I take about making home haters he always had confidence that he was a centre player and we questioned that and he said that's the conversation with his dad and his dad wasn't 100% sure what his best position was I think his dad was just looking at where he could get in the team and that's the way that confidence that he was a centre player I like the arrogance I've said it before then games on the Ralladau so I'm thrilled to see the league game when he threw for me he just showed the mentality of him to stand up and he was like what played against the best he didn't score he wasn't caught out or whatever he was great and there's something in that he's seen it last year on loan he's like that I like that because that shows I know what I want to do and I'm going to stick there's nothing on the head there he played in a back four that went to Anfield twice in the space of a month when we thought it was going to be 27-0 and he stood up to the players he stood up to them and that's a big thing and you want more of that when we went there in the league they were beating everybody they just won 7-0 three days before they were flying with them we had Ashley Williams Cucamarty in the playing and he went there and we dug in and he played brilliantly and to be fair he didn't have loads of chances so hopefully he can put his marker down staying and we go from there we can be happy now for a couple of weeks that's the key thing now it's the international break and it just lets the pressure out that ball when you look at the bottom three now all of a sudden there's six points ahead of them and you start looking the first thing people were saying last night it was the three points off fifth now I know a couple of teams with one book but the european places are a win away it's just it's a well needed win a deserved win and some good performances from players that we all like and we all want to get behind if we can come out and beat Norwich which we should do at home in the next one then everything starts looking a bit brighter going into worries of a very tough month but you're going in and if everyone wants to beat Norwich have 17 points the players start finding four there's a little bit of four you're finding confidence in them and players are not saying the right players are in the team but the player it's the same to everyone Antony Gorm is on the bench we thought Antony Gorm was coming off at the third so we were like no you're not I would have put him on rather than Michael Keen but I think I'd have put Gordon on and gone full away but we got half fair players but Benard will be back as well for Norwich and these are other ones so get the players, make them players have to fight to get back in the team that's there for everybody happy days, three points couple of weeks don't worry about whatever else is going on in the world whatever else is going on don't you worry about it 40 games I've stopped now for two weeks there was only 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