 two minutes till broadcast one minute till streaming we are now streaming one minute till broadcast recording in progress good afternoon good afternoon Durham North Carolina welcome today to our city council work session here on Thursday September the 8th at 2022 it is now the one o'clock hour welcome to those who are joining us in chambers and those who are joining us via the internet we have a fairly extensive docket today so we're gonna go ahead not docket agenda today he does the judge stuff they're coming out that we were going to proceed and so with and we still have miss Ashley with us this afternoon so thank you again for being with us and I'd ask that you call the role at this time good afternoon mayor O'Neill I am present mayor pro tem Middleton I'm here councilmember Caballero here councilmember Freeman present councilmember Halsey Hyman president councilmember Johnson here councilmember Williams thank you thank you I'll start off the announcements this afternoon with one announcement just to wish condolences to colleague the Dr. Freeman this afternoon she lost her sister on yesterday and so we just want to acknowledge that she is here today but she is struggling with with the loss of a loved one and so we thank you for being here today and know that we're keeping you lifted I now turn my attention my left to see if we we have any announcements of council councilwoman Johnson thank you madam mayor I wanted to make a request of the administration and y'all might already be thinking about this after the conversation that we had yesterday at the public hearing about the development that's happening in the Searles basin it would be really helpful for me to have our planning staff get us some some information about the situation there in terms of the runoff and any potential water quality or public health issues that they believe might exist we've heard from residents that they think that there are concerns in the region but I think it would be really helpful to have someone with some some skills in the area to give us some unbiased analysis of what they think is going on and if there is really a cause for concern I know that you know residents feel really strongly about the the issues that they're seeing but they of course come with us with their own particular set of interests and developers of course come to us with their own particular set of interests and I think it would be really helpful to have some like an unbiased professional opinion or analysis of the situation also the thing that came up about the use of chemicals I think with the weird word flocculants I don't know what those are I don't know if there are other potential like health risks to those chemicals that might be worse than you know the sentiment runoff so I think it would just really be helpful to have some to get more knowledge about that at some point if y'all could look into it a little bit more with some of the staff who might have those skills or other people in the community who might have those skills thank you so thank you we we as administration do hear the request here and we will will determine who needs to be involved and a timeline and we will we will bring it back to the council thank you thank you so much councilman hello good afternoon thank you madam mayor and to my colleagues so I have two announcements so the first one is as we know in late June the Durham community safety department launched their holistic empathetic assistance response team heart and so we have some preliminary data that has been out and between June 28th to August 30th 199 calls have been received that they actually sent out unarmed three person groups to first respond is to nonviolent behavior health and quality of calls and we have been getting calls and inquiries from other cities in Houston Texas Seattle Winston Salem about the work that we're doing here so I really wanted to say congratulations to the initial data to our director community safety director Ryan Smith and continue to good work wanted to say that the second announcement is that this month between September 15th and October 15th we'll celebrate a national Hispanic heritage month and each year this is observed in celebrating histories and cultures in the contributions of Americans citizens who have ancestors from Spain Mexico the Caribbean and Central and South America so thank you thank you so much I look to my right now for you now councilmember freeman thank you madam mayor I just wanted to add and appreciate councilmember Johnson's request and I do want to just note that DEQ is doing a study analysis of the water and so it would be good to actually engage with them as well and I'm sure that that timeline should align with that and so I'm not sure if you were aware of that and I wanted to make sure you were any further announcements no extra announcements just good afternoon and good to see so many folks out in the audience noticing more and more people coming out in person to our meetings thank you so much all right we will now turn to our priority items and I will look to our city manager for any priority items she may have good afternoon madam mayor O'Neill miss mr. mayor pro tem Middleton and members of the Durham City Council I do have several priority items for the City Council this afternoon the administration is requesting for item number eight which is u.s. Department of Transportation Federal Aviation Administration Airport Improvement Grant program the City Council is being asked to suspend the rules and vote during the work session to meet the September 15th 2022 deadline of the Federal Aviation Administration agenda item number nine which is an interlocal agreement with Durham County for master aging plan implementation there are track changes that were in the memo that have been resolved in both attachment number one and number two agenda item number ten mineral springs south mineral springs and pleasant annexation ordinance correction attachment number six was deleted because it was a duplicate of attachment number five agenda item number 14 bull City you sorry agenda item number 14 bull City united update and contract renewal a presentation will be made today during the work session and the motion has been revised agenda item number 15 which is to renew an interlocal with Durham County for the gang reduction strategy that motion has also been revised agenda item number 19 which is a ward of service contract for lead and copper rule program management CDM Smith incorporated agenda attachment number two which was a presentation has been removed we intend to make a presentation at a later date for that item agenda item number 31 fiscal year 20 21 22 fourth quarter financial report attachment item attachment number two was relabeled from exhibit two to exhibit one and agenda item number 33 consolidated annexation 1409 dock Nichols Road attachments number 3 5 7 and 20 have been replaced and finally agenda item number 34 which is also a consolidated annexation at 7 9 2 6 Massey Chapel Road attachment number 5 was relabeled and attachment number 7 was revised to correct a formula that is all I have for you today mayor and council I do want to acknowledge staff we have several new members of our staff who have been involved in preparing the agenda and we are we're some of us are in training but certainly what you have in front of you at this time is is the corrected agenda for the work session and I think all of those those staff members who are coming up to speak very very quickly thank you so much city manager page you have now heard the managers prior to items and I am ready to entertain a motion for their approval so move second to move by councilwoman Freeman fact seconded by councilwoman Hyman all those in favor if you will raise your left hand all those opposed have the same right seen none that motion passes that motion passes with thank you that's okay councilman Williams the opportunity to kind of catch up for a second but we're going to move to I'm ready to entertain a motion to suspend the rules move to suspend second to move by mayor pro tem seconded by councilwoman Hyman all those in favor if you were signed by raising your left hand all those opposed have the same right seeing none that potion motion passes unanimously and we now turn our attention to all right now we will entertain a motion to approve item number eight us department of transportation federal aviation administration effort improvement grant program this motion will be to approve the Raleigh Durham authority airport authorities acceptance of a grant offer in the amount of 13 million five hundred twenty two thousand seven hundred twenty nine dollars for from the federal aviation administration airport improvement program grant offer three dash thirty seven that zero zero five six that's zero six zero dash twenty twenty two moves is ready second all right has been moved by mayor pro tem and seconded by councilman Williams all those in favor if you were signed by raising your left hand all those opposed have the same right that motion passes unanimously and we now will entertain a motion to authorize see the manager page to execute the associated grant agreement so move the move by councilman Williams seconded by councilman well mayor pro tem all those in favor if you were signed by raising your left hand all those opposed have the same right seeing none that motion passes unanimously all right now we turn to assistant city attorney dawn on to we're glad to see you today thank you for recognizing me good to see you mayor mayor pro tem and council members don't tool sitting in for city attorney kim rayberg and the city attorney's office has no priority items thank you turn out to and we now turn to our assistant deputy city clerk thank you mayor the clerk's office would like to refer item four back to our office for further review of nominees thank you so much I will now entertain a motion to accept our city clerk's prior to items all right it was moved by I think I heard on this with councilwoman Freeman seconded by councilwoman holsy all those in favor if you would sign by raising your left hand all those opposed have the same right seeing none that motion passes unanimously we will now read our administrative consent items after that we will also read we're going to read the entire agenda but we will start first with our administrative consent items followed by our departmental items and any presentations and public hearing items item number one the mayor's Hispanic Latino committee appointments item two Durham workers right commission appointment number three Durham Housing Authority Board of Commissioners appointment number four the Durham Housing Authority Board of Commissioners mayor or appointment number five the approval of Cindy council meetings number six the fiscal year in 2022 inventory performance audit August 2022 number seven boards committees commissions and task force fiscal year 2021 2022 annual attendance reports we've just taken care of item 8 item 9 is to enter local agreement with Durham County for master aging plan implementation Madam Mayor would you pull that please yes sir item 10 south mineral springs and pleasant annexation ordinance correction item 11 an ordinance to amend the Durham City Code provision regulating street or alley closing and abandoning petition petition filing requirements within the city item 12 Carolina Civil Works annexation ordinance correction item 13 the contract for the provision of non congregate emergency shelter supportive services with project access of Durham County item 14 the Bull City United update and contract renewal I don't mean I'll get you pulled out it's gonna be a presentation never mind item 15 renew into local agreement with Durham County for gang reduction strategy item 16 renew contract with legal aid of North Carolina to administer Durham expansion and restoration the deer program 17 award of construction to J.F. Wilkerson contracting company Inc. for the Celeste Circle Force main project 18 purchase contract Ferguson enterprises LLC of Virginia advanced metering infrastructure policy project item 19 the award of service contract for lead and copper rule program management CDM Smith Inc. item 20 a purchase contract mobile communications America Inc. for booster sale network for the department of water management facility complex item 21 change order number three Gilbane building company construction manager at risk contract number 1159 for the department of water management facility complex and mayor would you pull that please sir item 22 amendment number four to the professional engineering services contract with Kim Kim Lee horn and associates Inc. for the American tobacco district water line replacement project item 23 microwave upgrade project with Motorola solution solutions Inc. 24 appointment of a deputy finance officer 25 contract for certain bill printing and mail services 26 fellowship placement agreement between the city of Durham and fuse corpse for sustainable land use in cemetery projects and cemeteries project number 27 the contract for shot spot a response services agreement I'd like to pull that please yes ma'am item 28 contract ST-319 Braggtown Street improvements item 29 a resolution to support the local assistance for stormwater infrastructure investments LASI program grant excuse me item 30 the contract with edge one solutions Inc. for the nice informed elite intelligence center a nice informed elite intelligence center madam ever do pull that please sure thank you sir yes sir we now turn to our presentations item 31 FY 2021 2022 fourth quarter financial report item 32 the presentation by Craig Davis properties to purchase Durham sensor parking deck a public hearings 30 item number 33 is consolidated annexation 1409 Dr. Nichols Road item 34 is a consolidated annexation 39 79 26 excuse me Massey Chapel Road item 35 Arborstone Way Broadstone Court Flagstone Court Greenmount Drive and upland battles Lane Street closings item 36 zoning map change Dearborn Drive multifamily item 37 is a zoning map change while by ash parcels parcels we also have item 38 which is a citizen's matters Brandon Williams and that madam air I know you've already read it but I do like I would like to point out item 15 item 15 that's the renew the interlocal agreement with Durham County for gain reduction strategy yes yes sir all right madam manager here's what I believe we agreed that we have for poor items will be item 9 items 9 14 15 21 27 and 30 is that correct that's correct madam air item for item 14 will be pull but it will be it will come as the first presentation okay thank you all right we now turn to our citizens matters and we do have one persons that signed up in advance and we have several others who have also signed up to speak to us this afternoon as well the first person to speak to us this afternoon would be mr. Brandon Williams mr. Williams if you will come forth thank you mayor on Neil good afternoon to you and mayor proton Middleton and members of the city council my name is Brandon Williams and I am a resident of the walltown neighborhood speaking today on behalf of the walltown community association since December 2018 walltown has led a multi-neighborhood effort to cast a just and equitable vision for the redevelopment of northgate mall we have engaged well over 600 Durham residents via survey focus groups outdoor presentations and a northgate for the people press conference today we are calling on the city council to partner with us by providing the financial capital staffing and political influence needed for transformative planning process two weeks ago northward investors who owns a majority of the northgate property held a community meeting announcing a new plan for the redevelopment centered on life science labs and office space this plan turns its back on walltown in the broader Durham community by excluding housing the proposed development will undoubtedly attract workers and business owners who want to live close to where they work many will want to live in walltown that demand will only exacerbate the intense financial pressure on renters and longtime homeowners of color many have already been displaced more will be pushed out this is why though so far to no avail we have pressed northwood to create space for the community by including affordable housing yet despite their resistance to community input northwood's request to rezone the mall with the development plan presents the city council with an opportunity to do something truly remarkable prioritize and make space for working class people to live work and play in the geographic heart of Durham we know this is possible in the city owns the land such as the willard street development next to Durham station we also believe it's possible at the new northgate but in order for this to happen we're asking the city council do two things first is to convene a table where northwood duke who owns old macy's city staff and representatives from our organizing coalition can work together to integrate community priorities into the redevelopment and to to commit funding and other resources to support the implementation of that collaborative plan there's another 22.5 million of american rescue plan act funding that has yet to be allocated what better way to invest a portion of that money in the future of those most impacted by the pandemic and recession then through expanding affordable housing public transit and community green space in a location approximate to good quality jobs and local businesses by doing so we can decrease the massive footprint of impervious surface on the property which according to 2021 data from the Durham neighborhood compass put surrounding neighborhoods including waltown at a higher risk for heat related health problems and flooding from stormwater this would greatly align with the opera priorities of health and wellness safe and stable housing economic equity and community resiliency more over partnering with our coalition and a private developer to create a signature mixed use development with affordable housing can set the tone for Durham moving forward and serve as a model for other municipalities we want to see our community grow and prosper but not at the expense of our neighbors and friends so as you enter your time of retreat tomorrow which I believe is focused on housing we urge you to consider our request and reflect on how an equitable redevelopment of north big mall community opportunity for all Durham residents thank you thank you so much we appreciate your comments today all right I think we now turn to persons in in the audience who have signed up to speak you will also have three minutes to piece the first person that I have is miss dawn blade grow followed by mr. Daryl Howard followed by miss Deden or mr. Deden what I don't even want to slaughter your name like that WACI URI council I would just like to caution you to the extent that matters that are in litigation are discussed at this afternoon's meeting just caution counsel not to have any comments regarding that litigation yes ma'am good afternoon good afternoon my name is attorney dawn blade Grove I'm the executive director of emancipated and see we are a statewide organization housed in Durham that is committed to ending systemic and institutional racism and abolishing the carceral system part of the work that we do a large part of the work that we do is related to police accountability and so we are here today I am here today to speak to the council about the importance of police accountability and the importance of honoring and taking responsibility for the harms that a unchecked police department may have caused on the citizens of Durham we heard councilman councilwoman excuse me monique speak about the very progressive steps that are being taken by the city of Durham to mitigate some of the real harm that we know that exists within law enforcement and that is commendable however it is not enough if the city of Durham and the people who elected you I think expect that you especially the makeup of this particular board understands implicitly the real harms and terror and disruption in black communities that law enforcement has created over the years specifically in Durham but all over it is indisputable that our system is wrought with systemic and institutional racism and while changing policies today to eradicate those future harms again it's commendable it means nothing if the council is unwilling to accept the responsibility that the city owes to the people of Durham for the harm that that unchecked systemic and institutional racism has caused I stand here today calling on the council to honor acknowledge and pay for the harm that has been caused by the systemic institutional racism that exists within the city of Durham whether or not that happened on your watch should not be a problem what we are asking you to do is do what you were elected to do by the people of Durham when they elected folks who they believe had shared experiences with them acknowledge the harm do the right thing and make reparations for that harm thank you thank you for your comments this afternoon we now turn to mr. Daryl Howard that's nothing everybody um it would probably be a pops of meters playing everything I went through in 22 years in prison but my past had been erased for 22 years I have no word to turn to no old jobs no no nothing I'm living a blank life I have a baby now I have to take care of all my family have died off and left me here by myself and I just think it's wrong I did everything in my power through the court system to win and I did I got to the end and I got a refusal which is not right I beg y'all to reconsider and think about me it's a little bit I'm a victim I've been a victim for 22 years thank you thank you mr. Howard for your comments today we now turn to mr. Deaton data did I pronounce the last name for me okay thank you sir hi y'all don't yeah so my name is our data on why carry and I am a community organizer with emancipate North Carolina and my role is I work directly with people who have been impacted by law enforcement and I advocate for these people as well and myself personally I have been I have been impacted by police misconduct and all type of aggression I had just be the case not too long ago for being falsely accused of some things during the protest that I was not involved in I'm here today I'm coming from green Greenville North Carolina to say that Durham North Carolina has been one of those cities that has been an example to other smaller cities that does not get their attention or some of the resources that is needed for people to live beneficial lives Durham has been that place we have looked to for examples and also to bring back certain things to our cities we can create conditions where people can live full and sustainable lifestyles free from misconduct from police and also you know institutions that are not beneficial but when we see certain things that begin to take place in Durham a place that preaches inclusiveness and progressiveness in theory but when we look at it on a material basis and we see that this this this is only mere slogans that are practiced in theory but not in material realities you see it starts to leave questions about other places in North Carolina like Greenville North Carolina that also feels that it has the ability to swipe sweep things under the rug or get away with certain doings that have left people in situations that should not be in so I'm here today just to really ask that the city council look at the implications you see I'm saying that is happening to people and really reconsider what this is not only doing to the people in Durham but also to the people around this state that look to Durham for these examples thank you thank you sir we appreciate your comments today I think that concludes all of our public speakers this afternoon thank you miss Ashley all right we will now turn our attention to our pooled items and we will begin with item number nine which I believe is the interlocal agreement with Durham County for master aging plan implementation and that was pulled by Mayor Pro Tem turn it over to you sir thank you Madam Mayor good afternoon honorable colleagues everyone in the chamber and who may be watching wherever you are very deputy city man shadow very quickly this won't take long at all I just wanted to be clear in reading the documentation there was a reference that there was no money collected in 2021 150,000 I wasn't clear as to does that mean we didn't give the county any money or the county got the money didn't spend it on anything because I know we've got 150 grand in 2022 2023 but there was a reference to no money being collected in the previous year I just wasn't clear what that meant we didn't cut the check to the county or they didn't spend any money which I made me Keith Chadwell City Manager's Office Madam Mayor Mr. Mayor Pro Tem may need a bit of help from the manager on this it's my understanding that that the the initial appropriation happened in our prior fiscal year prior to prior to the end of the last fiscal year within that time it was appropriated the dollars were not spent because the infrastructure of the organizations that are going to do the work on the plan had not been solidified by the county right so does that does that mean there is there a running total does that mean $300,000 now will be sitting no sir I believe the plan is to proceed during this time with the dollars that had already been appropriated so those dollars are in place to proceed now as originally conceived so we'll move forward with dollars that have already been appropriated Madam Manager did you I just I think Keith has been Ms. Chadwell has been pretty clear but until we actually you know the program is completed and developed and we actually bring the in a local forward we would not have spent any money in previous year so any money that's not spent in a prior year just just goes to fund balance is really what happens to it so we actually appropriated funding for this and this it is included in this fiscal year's budget all right that you that that's that's what I thought the reference to last year is what kind of see confused me I didn't know if that money was a sitting somewhere you know in the county's grass runs but that that that makes sense now that's it thank you good to see sir thank you Madam Manager thank you Madam Mayor you're back thank you sir we will now turn to item 15 I believe that was pulled by Councilman Williams thank you Madam Mayor director Smith how are you good how you doing sir great great great probably not a surprise that I pulled this item can we can you tell me of it's the strategy working what I would like to do is invite Jim Stite who is the main the gang reduction strategy manager with Durham County here to answer questions about the gang reduction strategy if that's all right thank you Mr. Stite thank you for joining us hi Jim good afternoon everybody Jim Stite gang reduction strategy manager thank you so I was I was reading doing a homework on this and was reading the report and it's quite extensive I was looking at the recommendations and just had a question about you know have we where are we with the recommendations on the assessment from that report we're doing quite well there's some great recommendations contained in that comprehensive gang assessment that assessment many many people were involved in that so we're confident that it's a very good assessment and it gives us a very good snapshot of where we are and actually where we've been so as far as the recommendations we've got recommendations in three different areas prevention early prevention which is a main focus of ours we know that there are a lot of characteristics that cause our youth to become involved in gangs and we're working to reduce those at the earliest ages starting with pre-k working on through our school system we know that data shows us that if someone stays in school and stays engaged there's a very small chance that they'll be involved in a gang so graduation rates are very important to us as well when our prevention efforts move on to intervention that's when youth are already somewhat involved in a gang we have project build which is an excellent program that probably services 50 to 60 gang involved youth per year and gets them through school engaged in in employment and just on to a better lifestyle and the final leg of that is the course of oppression when our intervention and prevention efforts don't work we still need a safe community so there's coordination between the district attorney's office the police department and the sheriff's department to arrest gang members who continue to commit violent crime and Durham thank you I the reason I'm asking questions around this is because I want to make sure that we are providing all of the support that's needed and I know between the city and the county and the county itself there are a lot of programs is there any coordination that that you feel is working to its full potential we have the Durham so we have Bull City United which is extremely unique and we're fortunate to have that program I know some of the folks that work that program and I know the hard work they put into it we have the administrative office of the court such gang reduction we have the domestic violence division we have project bill we have the steering committee we have you know shot spotters starting we have my brother's keeper we have the office of intervention we have community safety as well in this task force we have a lot of initiatives out here in this space is there proper coordination between these initiatives and programs from your perspective yes there is there could always be improvement but one of the best things about the steering committee is that it helps us have a coordinated effort so we have representation from of course law enforcement from the district attorney's office from public housing from Durham public schools all the top leaders in the community that we need to make decisions with regards to reducing crime are present at the steering committee meetings so they do the coordinating part and the best part of that steering committee is that they can assign people that are within their department to work in smaller subgroups as we work on these various issues from the ground up great so a lot of this is around you know reaction and it's really hard to measure we just got a update from our police chief recently and they present data that is you know after them after math after the fact so it's really hard you know to be proactive but you know I'm looking to see how we can do our due diligence and more proactive you know resource having more proactive resources it's there I guess that's the question I do have in regards of the coordination that we just talked about and from the steering committee what are the preventative measures we're starting to introduce I think there's a lot of different areas I'll focus on maybe during public schools they've worked very hard on their suspension policies it's very important to to keep the students in in school these long-term suspensions really serve no purpose other than to give a child extended periods of unsupervised time so working on dealing with those issues within the school keeping the students in the school is is is huge and also working to improve the graduation rates more school counselors more school psychologists project build also works in the schools and the schools have been very cooperative in letting those folks come in and and work with their individual clients in school setting it's project build city that's citywide right yes it is okay the census tracts that we're gonna hear about with Bull City United is neighborhood-based right yes okay so I'll probably ask a question later to the appropriate body on how effective it would be to have project build more neighborhood focused as well or would that not make sense to you that would make sense I think with Bull City United and project build both if we look at the 12 census tracts that we've identified the vast majority of project build clients already come from those census tracts so it's already a focused effort they may have a child or two that's outside that but they may attend school in one of those census tracts so it's really it's a focused effort which is what we need we don't need to be working in every area of the city some areas of the city really do not have a significant problem in this area but but the census tracts we're working and do okay thank you I'll probably reach out just to get a little more deep dive into this want to make sure we have all the resources available and we're as effective as possible thank you so much thank you mr. Williams councilwoman Freeman thank you madam mayor I appreciate the line of question and I just want to just touch on a little bit of what you said around the prevention aspect of this and just acknowledging I think it would be kind of off to let you just walk away and just thinking that you know Bull City United or any one program even if it is project build it's going to be the solution I think that in general our gang reduction task force is focused on how to remove the systemic barriers that have been in place for black and brown children and that has to start as early as possible and so if you want to know specifically how we can help as a council is to make sure that we are supporting our pre-k all the way through to 12 students and making sure that they stay in school making sure that they have access to resources like housing jobs internships all of those things that we've been working on over the years are those those areas and I know that our staff has been focused on that I really appreciate the partnership with the county and doing this work and I really want to say that the folks who've been on the front line of this in the streets have been going as councilman Williams mentioned well and above their call of duty in this and I think it ties back to the comment that dr. money cozy hymen mentioned and that we have on our we have on our responses now and this is like within the last five years that this is all happened and it's it's really the by product of a lot of folks pushing for us to move past the fade recommendations to actual action and so I will say that the the context of this conversation is a little often I just wanted to make sure we brought it back to to the actual work that has been happening with the council and the city in the county because I don't want you to walk away thinking that it's just on those programs and so those folks in those communities are all working very diligent and not just with with the task force but also with workforce and economic development they're also working with folks and and I yes like all of those things are in tandem together so that's all thank you thank you thank you councilwoman Freeman are there any other questions on this item yeah madam I I think for me and I know we need to move on this is the game reduction strategy and you know looking at it at face value it's a strategy and you know we we're spending nearly a hundred million dollars in reactionary resources and I'm just seeking for due diligence on that proactive as well so I think that the questions I ask are aligned with any of these areas and that's that's what I'm getting at I understand the contextual side of it and I appreciate everybody involved with it but anytime there's game strategy reduction I think those questions are going to be appropriate and I'm going to continue to ask those and and I may ask them again in the next presentation but I just want to make sure we get to the bottom of that thank you thank you mayor so yeah thank you for your detail report but and I just want to highlight something you said and and we move right back to a theoretical framework a tento is a theoretical frame is that talks about student involvement and when you connect students to community to someone in that educational platform they will be retained and they will stay right so again we have to look at strategies that are going to start as young at 3 3rd grade right because I've had experience with working with youth and gangs and they tell me the reason why they're in those gangs is because that gang is their family that gang is connecting them that game is talking about their strengths whether they be good better indifferent and so I really want us to also think about the theoretical frameworks the evidence based on programs that we can actually implement that start again as the councilman Freeman said as young as in 3rd grade but that involvement of wrapping services around them as early as that that age thank you anyone else thank you sir thank you all we now turn to item number 21 which is the change order number three and I believe this item was pulled by me a protein turned it over to you sir thank you madam air good afternoon don good to see you good afternoon mayor mayor pro 10 members of council don Greeley Department of Water Management good to see you in person likewise alas just a couple of questions I'll begin by stating the obvious this is a tremendous amount of money for change order and I you know economic realities you know taken into account and COVID I mean those things you know even if we look at those things parenthetically we know that the chief driver of costs and constructions are increasing costs are change orders so I wanted to ask a couple of questions about this item in the memo I want to get the language right DWM Department of Water Management Department of Water Management is requesting change order number 3 to cover additional costs associated with the phase 2 construction DWM vehicle maintenance facility equipment installation of underground conduit for future electric vehicle charging stations owner requested design modifications owner requests that's us right yes okay and changes in material specifications due to the COVID-19 pandemic and global supply chain issues totaling 4,028,998 dollars when I look at the the item number two attachment to change order for DWM facility project I don't know if you have this in front of you description of change where you've got the code CMO ones that that's an exhaustive list correct of the 4 million that's yes that's a list yes what what on this list is attributable to COVID I would I would say you know the 2 million of the 4 million and is related to COVID and the inflation since the on-site of the project originally there was an allotment within the contract with galvan construction of 1.8 million dollars for the equipment that's within the fleet maintenance facility at the Miss Lake facility the fleet maintenance facility is not just for water management it's for the whole city as well so but there is increased significant increase costs and supply chain now part of that 2 million is also some of the changes to our fleet that have occurred some of our wheel bases have gotten longer and some of the weight after discussions with fleet management about what types of vehicles would be maintained at that facility they wanted more flexibility to be able to bring any of the city vehicles in there for maintenance so the lifts got larger that you'll lift the vehicles up so you see the big flush trucks the big crew trucks you know we so but some some of that 2 million is that itself but the majority of that 2 million increase is related to supply chain issues of all the equipment that's going to go into that facility okay thank you for that because I think sometimes not in this organization but COVID's kind of been invoked as this magical kind of explain everything and I'm I'm seeing a lot of changes in this I do I do have some questions about the vehicle maintenance facility because I I think it's rather fortuitous that the and I'm in the bidding process the contract that we happen to already be working for was the only bid we got so I am gonna ask about the the bidding process in a moment but the other changes obviously for me and I'm if I do share with the city this just raised a flag for me what did we learn after submitting the original or developing our original plan that we didn't know that we didn't know we needed EV chargers or what what happened and from from the you know original inception to now to to pull these changes there there's a couple a couple things and one of the other significant changes you see here is over a million dollars for electrical conduit and that electrical conduit is underneath the large city vehicle parking area that's behind the facility and that's really an investment in the future because as our fleet goes towards electrification if we didn't put that conduit in now we would then have to tear up the existing concrete later on down the road and install that concrete so it actually saves this money long-term but it's a it's it is a significant investment now but it prevents all of those costs down the road when we have because we expect to have anywhere up to word to 200 and 250 vehicles there you know I get that I totally support planning for the future my question is did we not know that at the beginning of this initiative we knew that this at the beginning of the initiatives we anticipated the light vehicles and light trucks that be electrified and that's in the base contract but not the extent now of we're moving to full electrification with dump trucks excavators large crew trucks that that wasn't decision wasn't there wasn't known then all right fair enough the vehicle maintenance facility equipment 2 million 53 thousand five hundred and ninety four dollars the original allotment was our projection was one million eight hundred thousand do the global supply chain issues and construction industry workloads we only receive one bid the single bidder is the same same subcontractor that is currently working on the DWM and the DWM administration building lucky us how long when with when was this bidding process open and how long did it go for tell me a little bit about the process okay you know this this the city works with our project manager and GilBain and our you know our finance department to outline the bid packages that go out and they're they follow the normal advertising that all of our city construction contracts go because of the special nature of this equipment we only anticipate there are only two or three companies out there that we anticipated on bidding and as it turned out there was only one company that ended up submitting a bid both our design consultant and GilBain did their due diligence comparing and contacting the material suppliers directly to find out what their costs were to ensure that the bid prices that were submitted by the cna were reasonable for what the prices are currently in the in the industry so in doing their due diligence but but we only received one bid correct and we were nervous about rebidding that because at the time the prices were continuing to increase all right and you said we went through our normal tell me what that looks like so so we send out the pack we put an all call out on the internet we send out packages to I'm just curious as to because I looked at the date on the bid on the bid sheet it was that I'll be happy to get you the details of the of what GilBain because it's through this CMAR contract that that occurs I can happy to get you a detailed outline of how that package was advertised okay the HVAC revisions the I'm gonna get the language right the owner requested design modification I think there were some AV stuff as well I guess I'm just trying to get a sense of it's four million dollars this so bear with me get a sense of what when we originally conceived of the building and the facility and forecasting and kind of strategizing and blue scion what we would need and and now kind of saying oh yeah we we need this as well and we need this I just want to give you know because folk asked us about this when when right so I just want to be able to explain what was similar to the equipment for the fleet maintenance facility there is an allotment within that contract for you know wiring and other devices for the security and AV systems those both of those projects the design of both of those systems were done outside of the design contract with specific companies that specialize in those industries and and based on our discussions with them at TS about you know certain electronic components and what we needed to put in the building we came up with a design and that was then and we looked at the equipment and then compared it with what was already in the package itself and that created this change order okay I'm not questioning its necessity but it's expensive it seems like a row almost kind of a rolling kind of development kind of kind of well we hope that this we were at this point in the project we don't anticipate this coming back again if that makes you feel any better not that I don't like seeing you but I all right well I think that's all my questions thank you so much down I appreciate it I know it's going to be a fantastic obviously state of the art facility so thank you so much thank you madam mayor thank you we'll get you that information and we look forward to hosting you tomorrow thank you so much thank you mayor pro tem any other questions for on this item all right we now turn to item 27 which is the contract for shot spot a response agreement and I believe councilwoman Johnson pulled this item turn it over to you ma'am thank you madam mayor was just interested in whether the police department had any further refinement on their data collection and evaluation plan for shot spotter hi chief how are you good to see you look council so great question and I want to do two things so one I do have shot spotter representatives that are actually on the phone that are able to answer any questions that we have about shot spotter itself but I do want to also to recognize mr. sheath to come up and talk a little bit about our data gathering and some of our metrics policy is in draft we do have a first draft of policy that addresses our response establishes some parameters around response evidence collection and how we'll be reporting certain metrics within shot spotter I'll turn it over mr. sheath good afternoon Jason sheaths analytical services manager for the police department good afternoon councilwoman Johnson and the rest of council so I believe your question was around evaluation so we are still finalizing the specifics of the research methodology but I can give you an overview first of all I'd like to say that this is a pilot project so the police department is not going to engage in the process of evaluation alone we have certainly welcomed input from shot spotter itself on what they consider to be best practices based upon their extensive experience deploying this technology in various departments across the country but we're also partnering with Duke's Center I'm sorry the Wilson Center for Science and Justice at Duke University to provide an independent external review of this particular program so we have engaged in that partnership and have had several excellent meetings generally speaking I mean shot spotter is a tool right and the two main things that this tool provides is the notification of gunfire incidents that the police department may not have otherwise known about and then the other aspect is that notification has the potential to provide greater spatial precision in terms of where the actual gunfire event occurred and also a timeliness of notification so ultimately you know what are we going to learn that we would not have otherwise known without shot spotter and does that matter so we are certainly entering into this without any preconceived conclusions about effectiveness so the general pillars of this evaluation will be in two broad areas one is a process evaluation essentially did the program activities occur as they were intended so we have a policy as the chief mentioned that is still in development there will be expectations on what officers will do when they arrive at these locations and quite frankly what they won't do so part of this is a process evaluation to make sure that the implementation occurred as it was intended and so some of the things that we would be looking at are like I mentioned did we learn about events that we otherwise would not have known about because either an officer did not directly hear the gunshots or more importantly the citizen didn't call in to notify us and then was there spatial precision did we identify the specific location of that rapidly ultimately if the police department is able to provide rapid response to a specific location secure that location identify any potential victims then there's a potential public health outcome benefit the quicker that we can get medical treatment to individuals who are injured as a result of gunfire that has obviously the potential to be very positive some of the other aspects that we want to look at in terms of the process evaluation is we want to build in a feedback component we do intend on providing an avenue by which citizens who directly receive the treatment of officers responding as a result of these alerts can provide feedback to the police department anonymously about their experiences and we will collect that data throughout the program period. The other part of this is a outcome evaluation and this is really centered around whether the program generated the desired effect is essentially was there a public safety benefit I already mentioned the public health potential benefit but was there a public safety benefit and that's really divided into two areas did we solve more crimes because we were able to identify these locations collect evidence identify witnesses and learn about things that we otherwise would not have known does that result in more cases being solved and individuals who are responsible for those gunfire events being held accountable and referred to the DA's office for prosecution. The other question is whether or not the program essentially generated a reduction overall violent crime. At the end of the day that would be the ultimate public safety outcome is a reduction in violent crime so we will be measuring what occurs both in terms of gunfire events within the treatment area both during the pilot period but also in comparison to what it was before so this is kind of a pre-post evaluation and also in comparison to other areas of the city that do not have shot spotter that are similar in nature. So that will and we'll also take a look at crimes that involve guns but do not involve gunfire for instance armed robberies so was there a change that was significantly different in the treatment area because shot spotter was being used as compared to other areas and other types of crimes that is the general overview. Thank you that's incredibly helpful and I think those are all really good metrics and look forward to seeing seeing the data and seeing y'all's analysis at the end. A couple of additional things that I would be interested in in seeing from the subject area and compared to the control the rest of the city is about overall police activity in the area like whether that is causing so if additional police presence in this area is leading to more interactions between police and residents to more people being arrested for minor violations things like that if if an increased police presence in the area in general might have some negative collateral consequences I'd like to for us to also be be keeping track of those and then another this might be something that we would have to like go to the district attorney's office or other things for but there have been some issues in other cities around people around cases being challenged because of fourth amendment concerns based on based on shot spotter alerts that people have challenged the search of their you know of their person of their vehicle pursuant to a shot spotter alert and claim that those alerts are that that that isn't a probable cause for a search do we have what policies are we going to put into place that will prevent those kinds of issues great great question so what I will say to you is the the first draft of the policy is very very explicit so or it is very detailed about what officers can do and cannot do and what you're talking about as far as using shot spotter as the only reason why an officer would would interact further with with any community member that does lay that out and basically says that you cannot use a shot spotter alert as probable cause or as cause for reason to search someone without there being more so it's it's a lot like if you remember our report management system or in our CAD system where there was an alert component to it years and years ago we had to establish that just simply because there is an alert there it certainly does not mean that the officer can move further without there being something else so yes we that was one of the things that we are very aware of and and wanted to make sure that we were not going to use shot spotter in that way that's really reassuring thank you last question there've also been situations in other cities where police officers have shown up to the site of a shot spotter alert as if they are arriving at the scene of an active shooter situation which has led to some unfortunate interactions and incidents can you talk a little bit more about your policies with regard to how officers will approach the will approach a scene where there's been a shot spotter alert and like how they'll handle it there yes so cliff notes version is currently our response aligns sound of shots with that of a traffic accident and we and that's an old response so we elevated the response to what we call it kind of a priority to so along the lines of a house alarm so sound of shots or a shot spotter alert saying that it thinks it hears sound of shots officers need to move to the area and right now currently we are not we're not moving away from how we we respond so we are not officers are not swarming into the area now and they're not going to swarm into the area when there is a shot spotter alert now if there is an alert saying that there's multiple sounds going off at the same at the same time in the same area that would be an elevated so we'd want to definitely send more than two officers right to to the area and so the officer's responsibility once they arrive on scene is to make sure that there's no one that's down down in the street that they can see no one injured and then we want to be able to search for evidence legally so we are not going in backyards that's the purpose of us doing kind of door hangers hanging door hangers on the door so that that resident will know that there was a shot spotter activation that we were in the area if there's no reason for us to be going into an area where we shouldn't be we won't be doing that thank you appreciate it thank you yeah pro tem followed by councilman free thank you madam mayor chief good to see you I think I see some other members of the staff here as well command staff good to see you all my thanks to councilmember johnson for asking relevant and important questions I'm glad she pulled this item I didn't want to speak to the the question of metrics and and and measuring the efficacy of shot spotter first off this this this will not this is not our most expensive pilot that we've run in the city but this will this will be the most transparent studied vetted pilot in the history of this city it already is before the centers have actually gone live but I do want to remind or suggest remind some suggest others particularly residents and citizens watching that the ultimate determination of the efficacy and useful in the usefulness of this tool rest at this dais I'm not outsourcing the decision to the police department as to whether or not I don't think we should outsource that to whether or not it's a good tool I give you an example you know we we we spent and spend two million dollars on participatory budgeting in other cities I mean the lick on participatory budgeting was that it supposed to increase democratic participation have we studied that have we delved down and seen if our voting rolls have swollen or voter participation or have we done any qualitative analysis of those that participate in this where the budgeting to see if they feel better about the health of our democracy no we think we thought it was a good idea and we thought it was a good tool for us to have in our arsenal so we keep doing it so I just want to make sure that you know we we don't engage in theater on this particular or make this particular pilot exotic to any of the other ones that we think is a good idea as a council there any number of actions that are council generated and count that originate from council that we think is good in other cities I mean in Wilmington a few weeks ago there was a shot spot or alert and police arrived they did not capture a bad guy but they did find a victim bleeding out and saved their lives I don't know what the price tag on that is and I don't know that's not the police department's decision to say well three people were saved so we should keep it that's our decision we need to determine whether or not we think it's worth the coffers of the city to save one life with that said I cannot say enough about the incredible professionalism and and and structure and diligence that this particular and I'm glad we're talking about this police department and this city because it's very easy to create a composite of policing based upon the worst examples from around the country the LAPD rampart division in the 80s Ferg is in police department Boston in the 70s the worst of New York and make a composite of policing and pretend that that's our situation in Durham it is not we have to govern based upon our data points and our police department here in Durham and our metrics here in Durham and our police department is not roving around throwing people up against the wall and because we're not going for that we're not going for stopping frisk in Durham we're not going for any of those things that we see that that that that irk our nerves from around the country so it's very important I think that as we make this I listen I'm a local guy I'm not aspiring higher office I'm a local elected official and my decisions are based upon the data points of our city and our police department and I want to congratulate you chief on the incredible job that you're doing and the command staff is doing and bringing this pilot that has raised a lot of questions rightfully so in our city to bear but I do I'm going to be very clear that the metrics and ultimate determination like it is for anything else we've done from the expansion of violence interruption to it's not going to be Ryan Smith's decision as to whether or not community safety department should persist I'm sure they're a little biased in that that is ultimately a decision that rests on this dais and I will not allow this pilot to be viewed or cast in any exotic way without talking about the other pilots we've done and we ain't study jack about them we just thought they're a good idea and we keep spending money on them and by the way participatory budgeting is an excellent idea and I support it but we haven't studied it and we haven't asked whether or not it's increased democracy so I I just want to encourage you chief to keep doing what you're doing we're going to look at it we made representations and commitments to the people of the city to be transparent to have community meetings we've been doing that it's going to continue to do and we'll take a look but as for this one council member if one life is saved if one life is saved because we got there and we're able to give them a lifesaving intervention at that moment I'll be voting for it again next year thank you madam mayor thank you mayor pro tem councilwoman Freeman thank you madam mayor and thank you chief Andrews for bringing this forward and I would like to just delve in a little bit more on the response conversation and just acknowledge that I live in this area that you're setting this up in and I want to say that more often than not there is multiple shots and so there will be multiple officers coming in I would like to see a real detailed level of policy or procedure laid out that actually spells out the kind of into the way then which you would increase to the next level because the traffic stop is very different from the shots that we're hearing at night I would also add I do want to just check back in and figure out I heard a little bit from I can catch his name I'm sorry mr. she's Jason she's about the risk the rapid response and also something around essentially just making sure that on the investigation side that that that our very new expensive nighting system has very good analysis staffing around it and so that those bullets are being analyzed to increase the actual opportunity to arrest and and actually use it use those use those bullets as evidence in their cases with the attorney so we'll tag team this so currently our forensics unit you know we're currently processing a lot of rounds that officers recover from scenes and so that is a response protocol that we will have to look at with our forensics team to find out because I don't know the ins and outs about how much how long it takes for them to to process those those independent rounds we do have a process in which we escalate you know which rounds at scenes are are are given a higher priority and most of the time that's that's during violent crimes and and also homicides things like that so those rounds are are processed in front of just you know if we receive a shots fired call and nothing else is is is present except for the round so that's a further conversation and and we'll have some staffing information for you as well I'll turn it over I just want to raise the just raise or elevate I think in your acknowledging that your when your predecessor was here I acknowledge that you are operating off of overtime hours and you're still doing that because because of the way that our system is currently set and the way that our office the numbers have dropped I know that that's going to be a concern and as we're increasing the need for this analysis I think it'll be really important to engage our educational institutions to make sure that students who have that capabilities are coming on board as officers because I think it's more than just being a beat cop or a patrol cop it's it's really very in it's a very skilled position that needs to be highlighted yes ma'am I think the chief answered most of this I mean essentially yes we do have comprehensive collection of shell casings that that is one of the the best practices of an Ivan program and and we triage of course those events so a homicide is going to be triage as I had a higher priority than than say property damage but from from an evaluation standpoint we're going to be looking at whether or not there were shell casings collected and whether or not there were not been leads generated as a result that may be relevant in terms of solving that specific case meaning did that not been lead help us to solve the specific shooting event that shot spotter led us to but we will also look at whether it was indirectly relevant it could be that that shell casing is relevant because it's connected to some other shooting event that may have occurred elsewhere in the city not covered by shot spotter so there's both in a direct and an indirect potential impact to that I appreciate you highlighting that factor because it is a very limited space that this is operating with him thank you councilwoman copy error thank you good afternoon good to see you chief good afternoon ma'am how are you I really appreciate the conversation and dialogue from my colleagues I just wanted to ask a couple more questions first of all I appreciate all of the conversation around the the different types of evaluation they're going to be happening one of the things I do I do wonder about is you know we have seen our response times struggle right now because of vacancy rates and so could you tell me a little bit more about what is going to be the process of like be arrangement to response when when we actually fully implement shot spotter so you know staffing does play a role in in how we respond to any any of our our crimes in progress or even any of our belated crimes the the staff has been made aware that you know and also our communications team have been made aware that just simply elevating the sound of shots calls from a priority three to a priority two it does offer some some further positive response times obviously the officers will you know will go whenever they're they're called to answer however we do have supplemental patrol that that helps give us a boost for our regularly scheduled officers responding and so we'll we'll monitor that closely because right now we just don't know exactly how it's going to affect our staffing Mr. Sheese has done a great job of doing some analytical comparisons of a picture of what our response times are currently for shots fired calls how they are now as a priority three and then comparing that to priority two calls and he's done some work around around that and he could probably give you just a little bit of a snapshot about the priority three and two essentially I don't have those data points here with me but as the chief mentioned even though shots fired calls were categorized in our CAD system as a priority three call the data showed that we were really responding to those as priority two officers were not waiting there was not a delayed response they were actually going right away so we are merely reflecting the reality of what is occurring anyway the only thing I'll mention around response times is we anticipate that the potential greatest benefit in response times are reducing the what we call the time held portion that that is the amount of time that it takes for dispatch to obtain information about a particular event and relay that to law enforcement we are licensing an interface between shot spotter in our CAD system so when there is an alert generated by shot spotter that will show up in our CAD system at the exact same time that it hits the shot spotter application that means that officers and dispatchers will be aware of that event immediately and at the same time and that further has the potential of reducing any time held before an officer is dispatched thank you I appreciate the information today I would I would since we do operate on consent with our consent agenda I would like this item moved to GBA instead of on the consent agenda at our next meeting and I do want to just acknowledge that PB is often mentioned as a as a pilot on this dais and I will say as one of the liaisons to PB and it's actually worked out a lot all of us were many of us did when PB was introduced that evaluation is built in to every cycle we analyze PB every round and I think that is definitely what we should be doing with all pilots but I do want to you know I don't want our residents to think that there's not evaluation happening with participatory budgeting or that is somehow held at a different standard is something that I think our staff really do an excellent job at vetting and really researching and holding all of these types of pilots to a very high standard and really demanding council to look at how we are spending the resources of the city thank you councilwoman thank you councilwoman thank you thank you chief for the update detailed update I get emails as I know everybody on this dais does from residents who are like what are you going to do with the gun violence in there right and so I wish I had a crystal ball to just kind of flick it and say it's done but that I don't have that and so I am happy about this being a pilot I am happy about the evaluation of it and I also want to just say as my council as Mayor Pro Tem said is if it saves one life we want to save more but it's saving something and so again I wish I did have a crystal ball to change all of the gun violence and Durham but I don't so at least we're doing something one of the things I do want to ask is I know that I had the opportunity with Mayor Pro Tem to to when he went into the community and we had a community meeting with the executives that came and I just wanted to know if there's going to be any more of those community because I think that I don't want residents to hear things from yesterday I wanted to really actually get the data and what's going on so yes thank you for that so we have scheduled a series of community forums the first one starts this Saturday with pack four and pack five and we've scheduled them all the way through the end of November we're currently working to schedule with I do with Durham Housing Authority and a doodle terrace community to to come and just actually talk to them and speak to them and take their questions and things like that shot spotter representatives will be present either virtually or in person at those meetings so they will offer at the very front end just a very high-level overview of the technology and then we will come on the on the on the back end with how does this apply to our city and our community and so we'll be we'll be doing that through throughout this this process and even as we wrap up the process right so it's it's important that we're also following up as well so our community forum dates as well as the locations are listed on the shot spotter platform I would be remiss if I did not give a plug for that my public affairs unit folks have been working very hard to make that as as easy as possible to follow there you will also find pdf updates that we're we're doing weekly or every other week about the progress of the pilot I would also and you've probably done this on social media to be able to get it out so that people can come and really hear and in this time when they come they're able to kind of do the demonstration because the last time they weren't able to do that but yes because there was a lot of questions though but thank you for that thank you anything new I just briefly I am um I know there is some criticism publicly about the program um and I know where some of those folks live just because of public information and they sometimes don't always live in the place where they're advocating for but this is you know going to be placed in a place uh in a location where many of the folks have been asking for it so one I trust you all to vet this very well two I have trusted your work and leadership in the past and I continue to appreciate it and I know of the scrutinizing that she did to this program before it even got to us chief so thank you for that uh and lastly to the folks that said please do something um here you go this is part of it thank you councilwoman johnson thank you madam mayor um I just want to make one final comment while I um am of course interested in any tool that might help save lives in our city and believe that tools that um that have public health benefits potential public health benefits um you know of course could be very useful I just want to caution us against the um the feelings around if this saves one life then it's worth it without also being cognizant of the opposite also being potentially true right like if this technology leads to one person losing their life or if this technology leads to one person being um falsely imprisoned on charges that related to you know the the use or the use of the technology detecting gun fire when there wasn't any gunfire both of which have happened in other cities in this country are we going to be equally um are we going to to say with equal concern if this technology damages one individual human being that we should get rid of it I often find that in these conversations only one side of that equation um feels like it's really being considered and I think that we should be equally concerned that shop spotter will do serious harm to our community than that it will provide benefit um and we have to balance those two things Chicago didn't get rid of shop spotter because of a single death I don't think we should keep shop spotter because of a a single um a single incident in which someone's life may have been saved by the technology I think we need to balance all of the potential um all the potential benefits with all of the potential costs rather than trying to narrow down on that specific a metric and I look forward to looking at all the data from our police department um and really learning about the benefits and the costs and what this technology can provide to our city thank you so woman haman and I and I know we need to move on but I just want to clarify um I think we're playing with rhetoric I don't when I made that statement about saving one life of course if this is not a pilot that is going to be effective then I wouldn't vote for it um so I'm also going to save on both ends as you just said that we're going to look at the evidence that's what it's about it's about actually doing a pilot and and gathering evidence to make an informed decision thank you councilwoman freeman thank you madam mayor just one additional question I just didn't understand that this could decrease response time I just want to make sure that I understand how response time would be I guess assessed based on is it like a GPS location type of thing or would have you because I mean if you're not going to someone's door then yeah so we we assess response time on an average currently and so we would use the same assessment mechanism for our response time with shot spotter as we as we currently do I don't know if mr sheets if you have anything to add on that as far as response time we don't we don't want to reinvent the wheel and we don't certainly don't want to do anything that that will kind of skew the data right so we want to be very very careful about that I think all of you all are are aware of that and you want the same thing but we don't want to do more than what we have normally done as far as with the with the data portion of it to record that information but for example when you dial 911 your call goes to a call taker that call taker puts the notes in it then is dispatch so that could be you know maybe 10 15 second 20 seconds depending on what what information right so when that shot spotter alert comes in there is a browser that's that's active in on the officer's screen and when that shots fired or that alert comes in they are they are immediately notified and then communications is also notified so there isn't that if we don't receive the call they're they're not waiting on that call the officers would would respond thank you I think that speaks to just how important our emergency communicators actually are thank you any other questions well I would like to offer to my thanks chief you've been a a leader in helping us to figure out how we're going to lay this out across the city of Durham I know there are several concerns on both sides rightfully so this is a new technology and it has been deployed in other places where it was deemed defective or ineffective I think that Durham is going to have an opportunity with the help of your partnering agencies to make sure that we get accurate data so that we can assess it at a later time so I appreciate you and I also want to say that I did see the Chancellor of North Carolina Central University at the game and he wanted me to extend my thanks to this council he has been asking for this for this technology around his campus and he is in a unique situation in that he has had young people who have been affected by gunshots on his dorm and he also has had the the sad task of telling parents that their children will no longer be able to come home to them so I give my support to Chancellor Akanlai we we heard you this time and we will hope to be able to have an effective solution to some of our most pressing needs so thank you another tool for the toolbox thank you Madam Mayor thank you all right we now turn our attention to I think our last pulled item which is item 30 the contract with edge one solutions ink for the nice or niece informed elite intelligence center and that's been pulled by Mayor Pro Tem I turn it over to you sir thank you Madam Mayor very quick question on this who's batting for staff oh this is uh good afternoon it's Kerry Gu the chief information officer director of technology solutions and and um IT governance along with the business unit we are proposing this uh new solution hey Kerry good to see you man um just very quickly I was is the it's a one-year contract obviously we're going to have the technology beyond one year is that is what is that contract for is it installation and just one year of customer support and then explain to me what happens after that year is over so it's a technology it's fairly new I'm having a I'm having a hard time hearing you man if you can uh enough with your microphone okay can you hear me better now it's a little better I'm sorry I'm in my office and I got my mic turned up um I'll try to talk louder see that yeah stop using the quiet storm voice and just speak up okay well what we do on new technologies we sometimes when it's really new we go to one-year contract to ensure that the solution is going to work properly before we go into a long-term relationship with the vendor so that's the case of this going to in this go around we want to make sure that everything works according to what we had do our analysis on the business case to ensure that everything is going to bring the business value performance value and the compliance value that we're seeking in the business case okay got it thank you I just seemed like it was a pretty big investment just one year I wasn't I'm clear now uh as a relationship with the uh service contract thank you so much you're welcome thank you madam mayor yield back thank you any other questions for this item all right we now turn to our presentations and I believe the first presentation we'll have is item 14 bull city united update and contract renewal Mr Smith good afternoon madam mayor uh mayor pro tem members of council madam manager we have here today with us two members from bull city united mr david johnson who is the supervisor with bull city united will be providing an update the interlocal agreement calls for an annual update to city council uh and mr johnson is going to deliver an update on the fourth quarter report that we received thank you good afternoon mr johnson good afternoon um mrs mayor mr mayor pro tem ladies the gentlemen of the council and I will get this uh soon as possible I gotta do anything else right you have it pulled up there it is it just takes one second and um again this is um bull city united uh annual update to the city council this is our also our fourth quarter update along with our yearly update I'm sorry along with our yearly update um for the council um just a quick overview of bull city united um bull city united is Durham county's um evidence-based anti-violence anti-gun violence initiative um that has partnered with the city to expand to four other uh census tracts in Durham North Carolina for a total of six census tracts we are currently in the neighborhoods of 1709 which is uh the north Durham area 1100 which is uh the east Durham area 23 and 1100 which is our south Durham area also I want to say 1304 which is also our south uh Durham area around the area above Cornwallis um just a little bit about our program is three major uh things that we do to try to deteriorate violence in our communities first and foremost is to detect the interrupt potentially violent conflicts uh identify and treat the highest highest risk individuals in in our community and to mobilize the community to change the norms that's happening every day in our city um as you can see this is just the census tracts of 1301 and 1400 our our first two initial census tracts here in Durham um 1301 is the area of Faleville street um Dawkins street uh right there of uh right there by Central and um census tract 1400 where our focus area is MacDougalteras community um and our extended uh census tracts um we're in the community of 1304 which is uh which with with our focus area being Cornwallis community uh census tract 1709 with our focus area being um Oxford Manning community uh census tract 2300 which would be the uh the St. Teresa neighborhood um on the other end of South Roxborough street and south street and um census tract 1100 which is uh our Golden Belt area right there across from um Durham police station um just to give you a little backdrop uh backdrop on our all-boarding process doing this time from um um from this um the investment that the city uh gave Durham County to expand um in these four census tracts in April through June we hired uh we hired recruited and trained five bcu team members uh three of those members was in for uh census tract 1304 two of those uh members was for 1709 uh in July through September we recruited uh bcu team members for a census tract 2300 1100 1304 and 1709 um through October through December of a 2021 we recruited hired and trained four bcu members for a census tract 2300 1100 for a total of nine employees through the interlocal agreement which was half um from January through March of 2022 we recruited hired and trained um four additional members uh in those census tracts for a total of 12 employees and uh in our last hiring phase uh which was April through June 2022 we recruited hired and trained the final six positions um in the interlocal agreement uh to fulfill that agreement um this is a quarterly report on a person shot in each of these six um census tracts um in April as you can see we had no shoes no no I'll take that back no person shot in our community of 1301 we had two person shot and our census tract in MacDougal was uh 1400 we had zero person shot in our focus area of corn wireless housing we had zero person shot in um and our and our focus area oxford manna community we had one person shot in um in our st. Teresa focus area and we had zero person shot in um in 1100 which would be our golden bed area in May the same trend um in 1301 with zero um two for MacDougal zero for corn wireless zero for oxford manna one for that st. Teresa neighborhood and zero again for uh for that golden bed area in June also another trend we had zero in 1301 we had one in our focus area in MacDougal terries we had zero in um in our focus areas of corn wireless we had two in our uh in our census tract of oxford manna one in that st. Teresa neighborhood and two in um in that golden bed area and you can see the totals uh for that quarter which would be zero five zero two three and two uh and this is just breaking down i'm sorry the person shot by census tract for the year um and this is for i'm sorry this is for that st. Teresa community i mean for that fever street uh darken street central area again um as you can see in july 2021 we had one in august we had two september we had one again october zero november zero these december one and for this whole entire year to the into to this june we had zero person shot in our focus area in um in and census tract 1301 um this is uh for the year um in agreement with our interlocal agreement this is the uh the stacks for person shot in um 1400 our MacDougal focus area in july we had zero august four september one october one november zero december was seven and with that unfortunate incident that we had around christmas time with the use uh and since then we have seen a steady the climate and shootings with one in january two four two two and one so um that was our uh actual i mean um MacDougal terry's focus area and census tract 1304 which is our corn wireless housing um focus area we had zero in july zero in august one in september four in october and as you can see from that october we had a steady decline which will be zero in november one in december one in january zero in february one in march and zeroes to the end of june um for person shot in our census tract of 1709 which is our actual manner community as you can see we had zeros for the almost the entire year for 11 months straight um with the exception of June we had two person shot in um in the whole census tract of 1709 um person shots in um census tract 2300 which is our st teresa community again we had two in july zero in august one in september one in october zero for november december january february and march and one each for april main june again our 1100 census tract is that um calvary place main street golden bell area as you can see we had two person shot in july uh august three in september two in october zero in november two in december zero in january one in february zero for march april and may in two in june and um this is a quarter four report on the homicides that we have in our focus area in in um in this last quarter sorry as you can see um just off the stats um in the data we had one homicide in all six of our census tracts in one in may and that was in our uh st teresa community so for may i mean april main june we had zero for every census tract that i mean except for one but every census tract that we have um and we consider that a great number um this is homicides for the year um you know just give me all the update on the yearly um for 1301 we had one homicide from july 2021 to june 2022 and that was in september 21 uh we haven't had no uh no homicides from january to june of this year um homicides for the focus area of 1400 which would be our mac dougal housing focus area we had one in july uh two in november and um no it supposed to been two in january i'm sorry um but as you can see in um from january to it supposed to be june i'm sorry how this how this came out supposed to be zero homicides in that in that area as you can see from 1304 our corn wireless housing community from july 21 to june 22 we had zero homicides um in our focus area and in our census tract the same can be said for 1709 our octal menna um housing community and we had one sorry we had one um in the whole year in may for our st teresa uh housing i mean not housing but community and lastly we have 1100 which was uh our golden bell area we had one in august one in december and one in february and f y 2020 we had a total of over 1300 mediations um in quarter four alone we had a total of 501 mediations um as you can see monthly mediations increase i'm sorry in quarter four due to increasing staffing and modern monitoring of our focus areas and um just a little bit of our case load and participant data um as of right now in this quarter four report we have a total of 69 participants including in our program 58 percent of them are employed actively employed 15 15 percent of them are actively in school that we got back in school and 22 percent of them are on probation let's just give you a quick update or or or in that look on who we got uh for each census tract in census tract 1301 we have a total of one violence interrupter and one outreach worker with 11 participants coming from that area in 1400 we have two violence interrupters and two outreach workers with a total of 19 participants coming from that area for uh census tract 1304 we have four violence interrupters and one outreach worker with uh 10 participants coming from that area 1709 we have two violence interrupters and one outreach worker with 10 participants coming from that area and um focus area 2300 we have two violence interrupters and one outreach worker with a total of 10 participants coming from that area and 1,100 we have four violence interrupters and two outreach workers with a total of nine participants so far in the area. Some caller highlights we hosted our annual spring spring into peace community event in April where we went to all six census track and hail community events. We hosted our start the violence kickball and softball events with some of the council I know was president and all and all of our focus areas and then we had our safe summer kickoff events held in all census tracks and focus areas in June for some of our program highlights during that quarter and that's it. Thank you here for all questions. Thank you so much Mr. Johnson. I'm so proud of you. So proud of you. I opened it up for questions from our colleagues. Hi thank you so much for your detail on your data presentation but just for my knowledge can you tell me exactly what the violence interrupters do? What they do? Yes ma'am. Well they mediate conflicts. I only do they they are members of the community that has incredible message messages in that community for their shining lights of example on what change looks like in that community for the individual. They do mediations they try to prevent retaliation shootings and preventive work of introducing them to our free staff to to get them connected to resources like jobs and education. Thank you. Sure. Sometimes when we ask the questions of you know is it working or what you need is you know it seems seems to have a negative connotation of you're not doing your job. In this case I'm asking is it working and you're stating that and when I ask you know what more is needed this is the proactive work these relationships that you somehow been able to quantify which is really hard you know I I think that I'm because I I've interacted with you all personally and been able to see your work it just it brings me joy to see see it actually on paper and graphics and also see the results of it and you know it's often reported you know how many you know shootings we've had and how many killings we've had and then it's often reported when you take all of those and you span it across and then you make the data point of there's a shooting every four days or something like that and it undermines the fact that we just went through an entire month with no shootings you know and we had a little spurt recently you know but something is happening and I'll continue to ask these deep-dive questions because I want to make sure that we invest in what's working so I just I appreciate this work and and I know it can get better you know this is on specific census tracts and the reason why I was asking about the other resources being community based because you guys are working in a community based level or neighborhood based level you know and that is seeming to work you know so if this is happening and it's yielding positive outcomes then you know that type of support we may be we may be able to look at you know provided better structure what I was getting at earlier in regards to the other programs and the coordination amongst them you know when we have other resources that are sitting vacant you know it what we need to do to get those filled you know what we what type of support we need to provide for you ought to continue your efficiency as well as coordinated efforts and other resource initiatives across the county in the city and it's our job to make sure that we're investing those things that are working that we are holding accountable for those positions that are not filled and apply pressure where necessary so I thank you for this report today thank you for what you're doing putting your life on the line every day and I'll keep asking those questions sir and just to answer that that one question through my eyes and eyes of our staff this program is is is working tremendously just not only for what it does for for the staff us be able to change our lives go back in the community was what we was once the problem and be a solution to the problems that's going on in our community but also we see it in the community us grabbing other young people us being the shining example for them to change that no change is possible on I feel like this program has worked tremendously on for all feel free to send me an email anytime of a success story I put it out there yes sir also I'm a copy and thank you good afternoon thank you so much for the presentation yes ma'am how you doing great I will say that when this is to me is a really good example of collaboration between the city and the county when this came to us I forget now but you know initially we were gonna we kind of gave staff like give us an option of kind of low cost medium cost and high cost and I am saying I can say that I was very proud that that was a unanimous decision by that council at that time and I think that there's unanimous support and on this day as for this program and this is the kind of work that takes a little bit of time but I fundamentally believe in former teacher I know exactly how meaningful it is to build relationships especially with our youth and I hope that maybe next time would be wonderful to see some of the participants in the program if they're willing to come I think it's really important for our community to see stories of redemption yes ma'am yes worries that that that a lot of times drum just gets a really bad rap I think our press is often more interested in sharing the negative instead of the positive and this is a really positive and powerful story that I hope we can share thank you yes ma'am thank you councilwoman Johnson thank you madam mayor just want to appreciate you again for for coming in and for the important work that y'all are doing the power point that we got in our in our packet is cut off do you have a copy that you could email to us so we have it for reference I showed up we again be great thank you I will make sure that happen and I was just wondering if you could talk a little bit more about what you see for the program for the next the next year the next couple of years I know y'all have a new space that you're about to move into what you know what other what kinds of expansions improvements other work that you want to do like what's your vision for the future for your for your program oh I'm glad you asked that we have a great vision as you know we have the new space where we will have house different programs we also moved into our new department which is a community intervention and support services which is bull city united my brother's keeper and project be a house on the one one department so that goes to congressman Williamson's are we collaborating together and are these are these programs being used in the proper space and I can say on our end yes we have a lot of building partnerships with different organizations we have a MOU with Duke Hospital for their hospital recovery program man we have so many partnerships with Durham take with central with different just different organizations that we see that we see ourselves just moving in a different trend of how we can help not only the community to break some of these are issues that's been plaguing you know plaguing our community so we have we have a lot of things that we that we want to do and then that we actually have a space to actually do it out of um I believe our work is only going to get more powerful and impactful um yes ma'am thank you looking forward to seeing that space when it's done and yeah I appreciate all of your work thanks so much yes ma'am thank you councilwoman Freeman followed by council by mayor pro 10 thank you thank you madam mayor and I want to thank you mr. Johnson as well I appreciate the presentation and would look forward to seeing it fully I um I just want to just just take a moment and just say that this is more than just about a program and I'm going to continue to push back on councilmember Williams down there just acknowledging that as with my nonprofit background as a programmatic as a public administrator it's real easy to say that the numbers show the story but it's really difficult to show how those numbers happen and I think that it's important to really highlight that the people who are doing this work bring the passion to this work and that's really having impact on the connections that are being made and the way in which everything is coming together and so I do want it I'm just going to re-emphasize that this is not a flat program and working side by side with other flat programs this is a very integrated nuance program that is engaging multiple levels and layers of what violence creates in our community especially as a black person who has to experience the gun the gun shot the gunshots each and every night in my neighborhood these folks who have stepped up to be on the front line of this work are putting their life at risk and the challenges that come are not based on shootings or homicides they're based on the they're based on the challenge that you present in our communities and it's a challenge that many people if you've ever lived live near or been around anyone who lived in a housing development where they felt unsafe about reporting anything that was going on you remove that barrier because of your trusted relationships and I do think it's just incredibly important to just keep saying that it's not just a program and I will keep that thank you yes ma'am me approach him thank you so much Madam Mayor and colleagues good to see you man thank you for a wonderful presentation a couple years ago I asked my colleagues some present and some past to consider about four or five things as part of a comprehensive multi-faceted approach to gun violence in our city the expansion of this program was one of those things I asked my colleagues to do the thing that made the news was shot spotter but but that's what the shiny object that got the attention but this is one of the things in Councilman Coppillera's right we had unanimous decision you know all Twitter tries to make it look like we fight about everything but but there's a lot we agree on and this is one of those programs that we agreed on and I want to thank my colleagues for spending just south of a million dollars to expand this program in the city you know there's something I like to call headline stoppers we count how many people get shot you know we count how many people get locked up but every day in this city there are people that are stopping headlines from happening that will never make the news guns being placed on pastor's desk folk coming up to you and giving you day work saying I went out the game that doesn't make the news and we can't quantify that so brother God bless you in the work you're doing and I know you hear some of the stuff that folks say this is a waste of money how can thugs be part of the solution they still you know pushing game themselves all that ugly stuff insulate yourself in that and know that you're making a difference keep doing the work keep pushing the program even if it doesn't make the news I see you I see you back there Keisha even if it doesn't make the news keep doing the work at the end of the day we're not gonna police our way out is we we're not gonna lock enough folk up we're not gonna send brothers and sisters to jail at the end of the day it comes down to what you're doing in this us as I like to say all the time we don't need permission to save our own lives a saving our own lives and if it's just under a million dollars from the city from our coffers to help push this program to stop some headlines is the money well spent blackout all that crazy stuff I know you hear that folks say about this program this is a good thing and I want to thank my colleagues in this council and this government for putting the full weight and promoter of our government and our money where our mouth is if it doesn't make the news just know it's still making an impact and making a difference I'm so proud of this council of this government madam mayor for standing behind this initiative I'm proud of its expansion I'm excited to see what the future holds and if folk keep talking just remember my dad used to say dogs don't bark at park cars they'll run past all the park ones so if they make a noise that means you moving you're going somewhere absolutely thank you man thanks for your presentation thank you madam mayor thank you I just had to bring up miss Keisha so that Durham City can see this young lady I've been very fortunate in my life to watch the growth of these young people from different vantage points and to see them stand here today presented to the city council it does it makes it all worth it it makes it all worth it we were out this summer with them over in the Cornwallis arena councilman Freeman and councilman home and Hyman Hoseley and I we were over there as they were playing kickball and running up and down with the kids they had about 57 75 kids out there it's a beautiful thing so I'll if the press won't show what you all are doing in what I believe to be a fair and equitable manner I like for the city to see you all and to know that you are appreciated you put your very lives on the line every day that you go to work and trying to talk with your neighbors your friends your family members people you've grown up with and encouraging them to change their lifestyle as Miss Keisha always saying peace is a lifestyle so I do want to give you the opportunity young lady because you have been so helpful with this is like a team right here and we see the head of the team I did want to give you an opportunity to add any words that you would like I know you you do a lot of talking on the streets but this might be a little different but I could not let this opportunity pass without letting Durham see you as well thank you madam mayor thank you so much I think David explained everything and from the bottom of Bull City United Hearts we send our heart to you councilwoman Friedman I'd just like to thank you out for the investing of the expansion once Bull City United expanded we seen a decrease in gun violence in these neighborhoods and I would be remiss to not put out what outreach does and that is like David said is to connect to connect the communities that have not to the have and Durham is a beautiful community I was born in Durham I was raised in Durham I'm gonna be dead in Durham but I love Durham and we do have a lot of resources that we connect not only do we connect but we try to involve the community one thing David was trying to mention is our black-on-black mental and program that we came up with we went out and recruited a lot of ex justice offenders but now they're business owner we have key wine Hester a favorite deserves he came and pulled the young man out so you know we can speak about a lot of the work we do and it kinda we don't like to put people on the spot to tell their story you know because some of the community members like oh you know no Queen you knows but they're out there they're out there and they're doing the work we've had a young man that actually was raised in one of our communities you know he was deemed as part of the problem now he's a senior at Johnson C Smith so it works it's evidence-based practice we just want to continue our relationship with Durham City and Durham County together we can make this even better and maybe expand expand just a little bit more so thank you guys for it yeah I'm gonna put it out there just a little bit more so thank you guys thank you all not guys but thank you all counsel women and counsel men for everything you do we also go out and educate on the new laws of voting we educate we reevaluate we study you know and then we come up with a game playing because one size did not fit all and we are a group that has this how I see it special sauce we have this special sauce we do and we bring different ideas to the bowl while we mixing up it goes into the pan of course there's heat and there's gun violence so we're gonna put it in the oven we're gonna let it bake but we're gonna bring it out with newness renewed minds renew spirit renewed Durham so thank y'all again for the opportunity thank you all so much well done well done I think she and I know we got but I just want to say you know wonderful and when we're looking at things like this you got to look at the person in environment why do we study human behavior and social environment because you got to start with a person is about and bring those services and wrap those services so I thank you I thank you I thank you thank you thank you thank you all right we will next move to our next presentation this item 31 FY 2021 22 4th quarter financial report turn over to miss miss the Tim yes let me get this going and you doing today so good afternoon mayor O'Neill mayor pro 10 Middleton council members manager page I am Tim Flora I'm your director of finance I am here today to give you the fourth quarter financial update and so just as an FYI this is for fiscal year 2022 financial activity so this is the inflows and outflows this is not our financial position but this is the revenues coming in and the expenses going out through June 30 2022 as you're aware we're in a new budget year this is the prior budget year so this is information is unaudited and it will change somewhat from what you're seeing as we continue to close the books still working very diligently with our auditors as the local government commission requires we have to have financial statements done by October 31st and we are very very much on our way to getting that complete but there are still some adjustments that that we are making but overall I'm very pleased to inform you that the financial status is good and very much aligned with the expectations that we had set out for so always good to come speak with you when you have good news we'll start with the general fund and I will not I know this is a long presentation I will only hit the highlights I will not read through all these numbers it's been a long afternoon I'm sure we want to just jump through those but for the most part for the general fund expenditures were under budget by about 12.9 million dollars which is good our total revenues were 20.3 million dollars over budget which is also good and the bottom line for me is our net revenues over expenditures was 7.4 million dollars if you're looking at the fact that we were under budget by a large amount and over budget by even a larger amount and I only come up with seven four seven point four million dollars that is the spread between the two but the net of our revenues over expenditures was seven point four which is certainly what I look at if we just do a big overview of our major revenue streams this is a graph that shows you that property tax as you know and sales tax are are one and two big revenue generators for us property tax is very predictable and it is right where we expected to be a little bit over budget sales tax was significantly over budget but that is one of those volatile income revenue streams for us and so we we we definitely budget very conservatively for those revenues and I can and then again you see all the other that we have property tax again this is just a trend that shows that consistently year over year our expectations are met we have a great collections rate and so the slide speaks for itself sales tax year over year comparison you'll see the blue is the actual amounts the yellow are the budgeted amounts and you'll see again where we're you know 12 million dollars over what we budgeted in the last couple years our actual amounts have been far exceeded those of the budget amounts that's again because we are very conservative of how we budget sales tax because that is a very can be based upon economic conditions a very volatile revenue stream for us and I'll say in the previous two years we did sort of budget even lower on those because we weren't sure what the pandemic impact was going to be as we found out though when people were at home they went online and shopped a lot so which was good for us but also I will also say that large increase is because of the online purchases because if you're not aware about four years ago we started receiving people started paying sales tax on their purchases from Amazon and all those big boxes and so we are now reaping the the benefit of those online sales and so that really is so while the pandemic was a big part of that it really is also because of online sales tax that is now being collected and remitted to respective spots I'll just look through these utility tax below budget but consistent from year over year trend so okay there permits multi-year you see revenues are down somewhat from the prior year I'm kind of consistent with with the trends this is it's kind of all over the place this is just a really good early indicator of where we are with growth and the economy in some regards and so this is one thing that we kind of look at when we are also looking at our sales tax and growth and one thing I also want to say about sales taxes we are keeping an eye on that we are noticing the market cooling a little bit I don't think we're going to be greatly impacted by that but there will be perhaps an impact on our sales tax revenues moving forward so while we were having great increases in sales tax over the last prior years we are still expecting to do well with that probably just not as good as we have seen in these past two years occupancy tax good news there it looks that we are recovering from our occupancy tax from pre-pandemic things were not quite there but we're very close had some conversations with the county just within the past couple of weeks and it looks like we are very much on track for this year to really recover fully from our occupancy tax power bill well above budget we're good there the trends are good there charges for service again year-over-year we saw a pretty big increase this year with those overview again this is where the slide the only thing on this slide I like to point out is that again the net revenue less expenditures the very bottom line the third column the 7.3 almost 7.4 million dollars net revenue less expenditures so that's great one of the things moving into expenditures we did have two departments that were over budget this year that were projecting over budget one of them was audit services it's the top one on out there and I'm only pointing it out because it is a negative number that's a small amount it was anticipated it really had to do with the audit contract nothing to do with really the department it was it was more the audit contract but you can see that departments were spending well under budget the other department that was over budget this year was the fire department again something anticipated we had a mid-year salary increase change and so we fully were aware of that we also knew that the savings and other departments were we're going to well cover of those and so no issues concerns that we have there this is a look at expenditures in a different way not by department but by class you'll see that personnel services which is our greatest expense also had our largest savings around 5.8 million dollars again that's just a lot of the vacancies we had over that year so lap salaries were our savings there and then a little over seven million dollars in operating capital and other savings so really good there this is a different look at revenues looking for this is sort of a trend from prior fiscal years and then we compare it our actuals to this year to next year's budget you'll notice that there's a decrease in those amounts that's because those actuals really aren't there when we're actually going through the budget process we're working on projections and so we really are operating off of a prior year when we're working on some of those numbers and so this is very consistent with with how we have done things now quickly I will jump into the inner enterprise funds sort of give you a very high-level overview of those water and sewer again what we like to see revenues are up expenditures are down overall for water and sewer we have a net revenue less expenditures of eleven point four million dollars and what I will point out there is eleven point four million dollars may seem like a lot but understand that as you all know our water and sewer fund is a very large operation and that eleven point four million dollars actually will get plowed back into investment into our infrastructure for there so very much planned for in the way we budget for these programs transit operations this is a little bit interesting one over the last couple years big impact because of COVID and the fact that we have been doing fair free rides for the last year and will continue through this year as well our revenues are well below what we anticipated but our expenditures are even further below than what we anticipated so overall there we ended up with a five point five million dollar surplus and so federal grants have been supplementing the funding the revenues are operations and so even if you started to look at this from a trend perspective this is it's going to be all over the place but what I will also point out is on the expenditure side we've had to change some routes because of staffing issues and as well a lack we were not able to invest in some of our buses availability and so you'll see on that far column over there under capital outlay we didn't spend over nine million dollars and so at the end of the day while revenues were down expenditures were way down we still ended up with a net surplus in for the year at five point five million dollars solid waste another situation where our operating revenues weren't we're less than what we had anticipated but overall revenues because of a bond refunding actually threw us into the positive with that but our expenditures were also down and so there's an overall budget variance and this is a budget variance this is not a net revenue amount of three million dollars but I will point out that if you look the net revenues we were actually down 187 thousand dollars but to the discerning I let me back up one slide if you notice investment income is a negative number I did want to sort of point out that is not because we're making poor investment choices the investment income is a accounting transaction that we have to book we have to book market mark to market and so we bought some investments at a premium so we have to account for those at year-end of what they cost us so I just wanted to point out to everyone that we are not losing money on our investments when those investments mature we actually will show again on those investments but in this particular fund it actually through the net income below what we would have liked to have seen stormwater fund again this is one of our self-sufficient enterprise funds receives no tax support I think if we looked at it let me just jump to the bottom line there you'll see that there is we're negative a well as one point eight million dollars on the net revenue versus expenditures again that was planned for we budgeted fewer revenues and if you'll notice there at the bottom of the expenditures the operating transfers to other funds eight point five million dollars that's because we're moving money out of that fund to help pay for capital infrastructure and so that very much was anticipated that is what we we expected the parking fund I noticed I did not put any bullet points on the presentation sorry about that and what I will say about the parking fund is that is a fund that we are keeping our eye on as you are aware with the pandemic and the change the shift in remote working our capacity at some of our decks have been less we also maintained we did not have a rate fee change over the last few years and so we are struggling in in that fund where we've lost about six hundred ninety three thousand seven hundred dollars in this year but we have changed and increased our fees as you all are aware and so we are expecting that funds to do better finally I'll end with the performing arts center fund had a meeting with the city manager and the folks there D pack a few weeks ago and so I thought I would at least point this out because it while I would say most of this presentation our financial status is good I think this is actually a good one to end on as well so last year they've had a banner year and and feel like they sort of have fully recovered from sort of that pandemic impact nearly four hundred fifty four thousand guests today host with two hundred four performances eighty seven of those being sold out and I will note that last year what they noted was that they celebrated their five millionth guest since opening in November of 2008 and revenues were up revenues were at four four point five expenditures three point one leaving a net increase of one point four million dollars and so I knew I flew through that presentation very quickly I am more than happy to answer any questions that you might have any questions thank you so much councilman Williams yes thank you so much thorough presentation quick thorough presentation what indicators if any are we using to determine any ballpark figure of a increase percentage increase in our attack space with the population increase new businesses come into the area do do we have anything that can help us indicate what we certainly always look at our permits and see what those are coming we always look at census information those are things we look at and we very much rely upon the county tax assessment department to provide that kind of information for us thank you any other questions councilman councilwoman Friedman and I think the question may be for the city manager I just want to make sure we still aren't going to get those buses even though I know it's probably supply chain related that we didn't but we still are going to get them right okay just make it sure any other questions okay also and this may be the communications department regarding parking it I don't think it's been well communicated the condition of our parking situation regarding fees and the deficit that the city functions at and we just did a rate height increase and I just we could find a way to better communicate that so folks can know what's going on manager yes that would be you know not necessarily our communications department that would you know would lead that discussion we usually you know have these discussions when we do make you know financial presentations here we talk a lot about you know the losses if we have losses and funds when we do our our budget retreats and in a lot of ways normally we don't necessarily connect that with overall communication in terms of changes but we you know we certainly take you know take that very seriously when we do make recommendations around increases any type of increases in our parking fees both using our own personnel as well as you know consulting parking consultants that help us determine you know long-term financial planning around our parking parking assets and parking operations thank you any other questions all right thank you so much for your presentation today well done all right I think we have one last presentation but I do need to take a break at this time so if you all would allow us a 10-minute break we will come back and go on with our next presentation thank you also we will note that I think the queen has passed that I've 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following some of those presentations that was that there was a very special one that we had admittedly i'm url will i'm vice president of development for craig davis properties and in this case a project exact for our proposed project the james and i'm joined by craig davis who's here today with us but before i go through the this is a very brief presentation before i go through that i'd just like to acknowledge the time and the work that has been spent with members of city staff and our team to get to this point it's been a pleasure and we do look forward to moving ahead in the future with you in in this work i'd also like to say we've tried our best to meet with community leaders and especially the managers of the venues that are in close proximity to our proposed project in an in an effort to understand issues that they have and may have and try to combine that in our in our planning and our effort for the project as i think you're aware craig davis properties is a north carolina company based right here in the in the research triangle and has numerous projects for 30 plus years craig has been in the area as a developer and currently we have this project which is its value is total value of the project is in the 180 million dollar range as well as davis park west which is about the same amount of money so it's around 360 million dollars that we've got just just in the city of dorm itself where where are we at the moment we did we did on on our own expense and on volition submit a site plan it's been almost a year because we know it takes that long to move through the process and we have come to the to the last round of comments with the city we've complied with the udo's we've obtained a variance on a particular little grass strip that we had to had to deal with on runey street as well as a a small sliver of encroachment that occurred as a result of the deck that was built in i think finished in 1987 that slipped slightly over the property line along morris street we've taken that into account uh in our offer but so i just wanted to let you know where we are where we are in the process i think we're ready to move through so i think uh i'm sorry finance director click clicking ahead yes i'm gonna try that right our um our offer is five million u.s dollars and that is that's based on a reconciliation of two appraisals one that we did and one that the city of dorm did that amounted to about 4.9 million and as well as i just mentioned we we did account for the encroachment of a sliver of land along morris street so it all came up to approximately five million along with some other ancillary costs that were associated with this and certainly any any acquisition would would be a part of a development agreement that would have to be approved by a city council we have two components here one is an affordable housing component that we wish to put forward and one of course is is a multifamily component that will be a result of of the tower the affordable housing component is is an offer of 650 thousand dollars to be put into the affordable housing fund for the city of dorm due uh on on a date a year after our certificate of compliance would be issued for the tower that that would subsidize approximately uh six affordable housing units if you if you do the math and and got help from sean egan's team on and some other uh city staff on basically what that would equate to so 650 000 or the equivalent of six affordable housing units as i mentioned we have a multifamily market rate driven proposal for our tower it's uh one two and three bedrooms with some studios there's going to be an amenity level for those residents up on top of a of a new parking deck that would be built with some city with some public spaces on the lower level residential parking above that um and that that entrance will be on morgan street for that are the public parking component of that there's a 13 and a half thousand square feet of retail space 3000 of those feet that we will specifically designate as at a discount rate around 20 of the current market rate specifically to attract local retail merchants taxes we just just heard about taxes from the finance director this will make an impact for the city of dorm real property tax base of approximately 138 point six million i want to caveat these numbers by saying this is 2022 and you know evaluations of property going forward would be potentially be different or uh as as the city grows but it's it's uh it comes out to a tax revenue of 870 000 approximately and you can see there the the breakout in the departments where that money would flow as well as a annual total direct civity revenue of 926 000 which includes the property taxes above and about 30 000 and sales tax and 26 and motor vehicle and property tax once again um making sure you understand 2022 not necessarily what the value would be when the pollution happens these numbers these numbers come from uh an economic analysis that was passed on to the city that that we retained a third party to complete so that is available upon request if if anybody would like to see that other economic impacts this will take approximately three years to build three-ish years we estimate that that there will probably well over 700 jobs that will occur during that period of time with the workers that would uh construct the building and those workers will create an annual labor income of some 44 million plus after after completion we we have to manage the building and run the building we think probably around upwards of 29 maybe 30 people that would be employed directly for our property but we are estimating through our economic analysis third party partner that the individuals that will be living in the tower will generate additional jobs out into the retail and merchants that surround the building here in downtown Durham the restaurants the the merchants whatever retail those those folks will be spending money and they will drive a a larger base and we are we are estimating that that will result in in an additional 200 plus permanent jobs parking we will have 82 I think it I think it's actually going to push 84 uh just because of the slight arrangement rearrangement we had there that will be available for the public on the Morgan street level on the ground floor or p1 level of the west half of the deck so just just to be clear our intent is to take down um take down the west half of the parking deck there's an expansion joint that pretty much bisects the deck as it as it stands today we would take down that portion and build back up about six levels of parking on the first level there will be public parking like I said around around 84 that that will be bifurcated by a wall from the east half of the deck which will remain as it is today so after hours after normal hours on a week day those 82 or 84 spaces will remain but approximately 300 spaces will open up on the remaining east half of the deck so there'll be about 382 to 384 spaces available for public parking after normal business hours on weekdays and of course all weekend Saturdays and Sundays so that that's how we get to that number 80 80 to 84 on our side and then opening up with 300 on the remaining east side the parking the parking fees charge will be in in alignment with the newly established rates but in no event less than than those rates that were effective in July of this year in addition to that we recognize that we we and want to contribute to the enhancement of parking in downtown Durham and speaking with the venue owners one one major concern was when when folks park if it's not directly across the street in the Durham center deck as it is today they're parking in the Durham ID deck or the Chapel Hill deck or the Morgan Riegsby deck so we we have committed to construct a highly visible with great lighting and way finding a pathway directly through our deck so from Morgan Street to Rooney Street to the entrance of the Durham ID deck complete with directional signage and as I mentioned lighting that in addition to that down the south side of Morgan Street all the way to the Morgan Riegsby deck entrance we've committed to construct the proper way finding in accordance with code and working with the city and I think there is already some discussion around way finding down that side of the street anyway but regardless we're committed to build that construct that light it make sure that the signage is there so that when the patrons of of the arts come out from either the convention center or or the Carolina Theater or the Durham Arts Council they'll know exactly where they parked they'll know where to go they'll know what level they're on because it will be on their ticket it'll be painted colored colored accordingly so even though that's there today it's it's not blatantly obvious where you may have parked your car if you're not directly across the street we understand that so we we hope to make that easier and more comfortable and safer for the patrons coming out of those venues just as a reminder there there currently is about 1200 spaces in the Durham ID deck some of which have been designated as as public parking and there are some 600 spaces down at the Morgan Riegsby deck and I just wanted to show you one more one more slide here regarding what I was discussing there these arrows represent the pathway through this is an aerial shot the pathway through what will be we hope to be our deck on the on the west and east side and then wayfinding down the south side of Morgan Street in the right away toward the Morgan Riegsby deck just indicating there that we would hope that that would as I said enhance the experience safety and knowledge of where they may have parked their car in their comfort level for the folks coming out of those events so that that's that's essentially the the end of our presentation and we're certainly welcome any any questions you may have of us that we could help you with thank you sir do we have any questions from members of council may I protein followed by a councilwoman johnson thank you madam erin thank you for being here today good to see you gentlemen I remember um us meeting I don't know how long ago was was now about this project and it's come lots happened uh since then um I if I'm recall correctly I believe the the name the James is to honor your father I think if I recall Mr. Davis um so good to see you before us um very intriguing offer I have one process question to to staff and then I want to ask um the development team a question I know that if the city if we proactively decide we're going to sell something we will part of our due diligence would be getting a um an appraisal at what point in the process when someone comes to us and offers to buy us something what what threshold um in the development process is crossed before we actually get something appraised as a city spend our money to get it appraised when someone comes and offers to buy something from us yeah once again bill judge transportation um that can vary really at the discretion of staff or council or direction from the manager um as to when the city might engage the services of an appraiser in this particular case yeah once we were made aware of the offer because of sort of the unique ownership situation between the existing tower the air rights above the existing garage and the the city owning the garage um we did um the transportation work with general services to to have an appraisal conduct it but that's what he referred to as part of the combination of the two so so when they walk in the showroom we kind of make a determination who looks like a serious potential buyer as opposed to those just window shopping you don't have to answer that answer that um if if if this tower goes forward and I for the for a little while at least it will it will be the tallest structure um in Durham I believe 32 stories is the projected 32 if you go from street level 30 300 and 320 feet from an elevation standpoint from the street level got you all told right I I think one city center I think it's 27 stories if I if I recall so this this would and I don't know what you know our skyline is burgeoning and it's developing we'll know what it'll look like 20 years from now but at least for the time being for a little while it will be um uh uh de facto um the tallest thing in our skyline when you look at it and consider it and I and I'll tell you where I'm going um could you talk a little about what what the design element might look like you know there's some cities you don't need to you look at the picture of it you know that's whatever Philly or New York or or whatever and now and time and time again I've talked about our our efforts at branding ourselves as a city and when the government can exercise leverage over what our city looks like as opposed to cookie cutter kind of you know cities around the country um or the cookie cutter effect of cities could could you just talk a little bit about um and I you probably I if you don't know you don't know but what's it gonna look like yeah for a while it will be Durham if you give me to 30 seconds I can hand out a a rendering that I think would be very very helpful thank you if you would give that to the clerk please thanks and she'll vet it or yeah I'll take you through a spin of of where we were and where our architects and designers thank you much and and I'll proceed just a couple of other questions the the proffer to our affordable housing fund you said that number 650,000 or whatever it was that's correct you arrived at that through consultation with our staff um we arrived at that through internal conversation and then conversation with the staff about potentially what that would equate to in the number of units all right thank you Madam Mayor at this time I'll I had a couple of the questions but I'll yield at this time to colleagues I want to ingest a picture a little bit and uh as as this is a case with this count they may actually ask what I want to know so I might not need another round but I'll yield at this time thank you very much it's good to see you thank you Madam Mayor I'm trying to wrap my head around the legal status of this property currently could you explain a little bit more about or maybe someone could staff from staff about like what what do air rights mean in this context and like what because I'm I'm very confused I could use just a little explainer on what y'all have the right to do now based on air rights um and what rights the city has and like how how is this negotiation sort of legally situated good afternoon uh deputy city attorney fred lemar um that's a great question this this was a project that was um developed in the late to mid to late 80s and it's really a three-way type of development agreement where you have the two the city is owner of the land and air rights up to the top of the the deck or the um plaza and then there are air rights to each of the tower owners the original concept and development agreement was that there would be two towers identical to each other in fact that that arrangement cannot change without all three owners and when I say all three owners I mean the city as owner of the deck tower one owner which is the tower that's there and uh phantom tower just call it a phantom tower tower that's not there but all three parties have to agree on any change that would result in a design um that would not produce identical twin towers and um so for uh the developer in this case to do what he's proposing um we um they will need to completely rejigger and and change that entire arrangement and and one of those steps is the purchase of the city's rights in the deck um with the what was mentioned about the reservation of parking spaces in the final product um so that's uh I don't know if I'm we we cannot build the city has no right to build anything beyond the plaza and and so all our rights exist um within the deck to maintain and we're obligated to maintain and operate that deck and it's two tower owners that that have the rights to build above that okay but so so the tower owner that's coming to us today they only have the right to build an identical tower without our consent and the consent of the other tower owner correct okay so that's that's the only thing they could build without this process I'm sorry that's the only thing they could that's the only thing they could build without it's correct an identical tower okay okay and y'all don't want to do that clearly okay well we try not to go back backwards yeah to 1985 yeah probably probably not the best choice there um okay great thank you could you go back to your slide about parking yeah sure again this one right here or the enhancements um the parking one yeah thank you there are a lot of words on this slide and I feel like I just what I would like to know I mean up to 365 days a year could mean any number of days in the year right like are you writing this as kind of like uh are you trying to avoid making a commitment or is this is there some commitment no I can't I can't explain that the verbiage here uh was written probably six or seven months ago uh when just this piece was being discussed with the city attorney's office and our attorneys it is it is a bit um wordy so I'll just put it in very simple terms during the daytime uh on on the west half of the deck on the p1 level the morgan street level there will be 82 public parking spaces uh at night time there'll be 82 public parking spaces and on the weekends 82 public parking spaces on the east side of the tower which would if if our proposal goes through the owner of that tower and that part of the deck will have the tenants of the office building parking during the day in that half of the deck I'm sorry could is that the part of the deck that will remain that's currently owned by the city that's correct okay it so so your proposal is to buy the entire deck but there would be a negotiation with like are you are is your company going to own the whole deck or is the person the people who own the other tower going to own that half that's the the ladder so you're buying it from us and then selling half of it that's correct okay I'll be done in that same transaction so there's there's an agreement that uh after whatever time of day that is 530 ish that 300 spaces will open up and be available to the public on that side on every every given week day night and all weekend so that's what this is saying if it is not trying to avoid any commitment whatsoever it is committing that that that's what it will be okay great thank you that's I feel like that's not actually what this is saying it's it's it's admittedly tough tough wording uh be glad to put it in uh yeah not being a lawyer but how to put it in uh up to feels like a very clear hedge um okay great thank you um so how many is the difference in the number of parking spaces on on your side the smaller number because the residents of the tower will be taking up more like of the evening and weekend time than like the folks on the other side who just have office uh exactly okay because we we uh we certainly don't you know want to impact the rest of the parking in downtown Durham so the construction of six levels of parking on the west side of the deck which would be a new parking deck the five of those levels would have to be necessary to park the cars of the residents that will live in the tower okay um we've I mean we've gotten this is the thing that we've gotten the most concern about from folks in downtown I'm wondering maybe our staff could tell us their assessment as to whether they think this would cause parking issues or do we have enough capacity in these other decks to to accommodate folks for example coming to the Carolina Theater for a big event or to the Marriott for a big event yes um Bill John once again the um there is um adequate parking capacity now with the construction of the Morgan Riggsby deck as well as a number of other private decks that have occurred since the city constructed the Morgan Riggsby deck um as you mentioned the Durham ID there's been a number of private decks constructed on the south side of downtown near the American Tobacco campus so and the county's currently got two more decks under construction so so there is parking available the you know in terms of proximity to the Carolina Theater or convention center it might be a slightly further walk as he showed in that one exhibit but they're still within reasonable walk within you know compared to what is used for d-pack or Durham bulls they would be yeah similar shorter walks but longer than the day right thank you um so if there were to be like a big convention downtown everybody would be able to find a place to park they just might have to walk an extra block or two is your assessment yes for at least for the current convention center I guess if yeah assuming there was not a major increase in capacity okay great thank you um the other the other issue I wanted to ask you about is the affordable housing commitment why aren't those units going to be in the building itself why do you want to donate to locate them somewhere else you're building a lot of residential units it seems like having some affordable housing on site could be possible and would I think be preferable for us great question we we certainly looked at it but from an for us from an economic standpoint it's it's it's more advantageous for us to offer a contribution to the fund to to bill as housing as opposed to putting them in in that structure how much money do you think you're going to make on this project like what's your what's your profit prediction sorry do you mean in uh long term sure I mean like this this is a for-profit project what's the profit going to be for the cash flow I I don't I don't know that okay I don't know that Craig but I can I mean you're offering us five million dollars so presumably it's going to be a lot right well uh I guess I would say that we we are not a non-profit organization so we uh we're gonna we're gonna build it um we're gonna operate it and if we do it properly we hope we are going to be operating it as a at a profit right when you take all the expenses into account and the cost of the construction to build it right so without a number it's hard for me to to know for sure but I presume that you would still be able to make significant profits on this project if you were to locate some affordable housing units in the building do you think that's inaccurate uh I think it would be a push you think you would make no money if you put the six affordable housing units in the building rather than elsewhere in the city I'm I'm I'm not saying that I'm saying that the analysis of doing that would be would be difficult for us okay I it would be difficult for us to to make it work um if if we build the level of housing that we intend to build understood I I think I'll just communicate a strong preference for affordable housing on site given that affordable housing is a huge problem in our city and that downtown affordable housing is especially difficult for us to for us to provide and I I would like for y'all to consider doing that into to running the numbers and see and see what they look like I think that we while you know while building affordable housing elsewhere in the city is of course you know incredibly useful for us and we need affordable housing other places in the city I don't want to I don't want to set a precedent for situations like this in which we in which we have the authority the legal authority and ability to require community benefits like affordable housing on site because this is a sale in a negotiation rather than a rezoning which is more regulated by state law this kind of situation is one of the few opportunities that we have to actually demand significant community benefits from developers and I wouldn't want to set a precedent that we are entirely comfortable with just payments into the affordable housing fund when there could be affordable units on site especially with this kind of project where we're looking at a lot of residential development it's in my opinion it shouldn't be impossible for some of those units to be affordable and so I would like y'all to consider that as we move forward thank you thank thank you okay councilwoman johnson i'm sorry freeman thank you madam mayor I I really appreciate the line of questioning I was kind of headed in that direction as well just acknowledging that um we don't really need five million dollars but we do need the affordable housing and so I would love for you to have a conversation not just with yourselves but to also talk to some of our local affordable housing providers and to get a gist of how it might be able to work because I'd much rather have the housing than the dollars so um outside of that I also I just had a couple of questions I know I think I remember now the conversation and I remember having having some talk around creating some bike amenities and I didn't see any of that mentioned in this presentation no you didn't okay I'll just I'll just preface this next one remark by saying that um we we worked with staff for this presentation so it was kind of framed up for us okay I'll just say that okay we have uh we have a a tremendous amount of information that we could have thought but we were encouraged that perhaps we should just get to these salient points today in this particular working session that said um there'll absolutely be uh bike accommodations okay nice accommodations I mean there's going to be bike storage bike wash uh a mechanics of a a self mechanic shop within the structure to encourage the residents to maybe some of them won't even own a car I mean hopefully but yeah I mean you're talking to uh I'm an avid cyclist so I was certainly in there I just want to make sure the showers didn't get left out of the conversation as well but I I digress because I understand the question is really around I guess it's all it's coming down to the parking and and how dire the parking is in that area I wanted to know if parks and recs um staff I guess around the armory has weighed in around this parking at all if parks and recs uh staff around the armory I know that they use the facility is the only location really downtown that folks can afford to kind of rent is there any conversations so I am going to bring Keith Chadwell up uh who probably is a little bit more familiar with the meetings that were held with stakeholders there were the the proposed developer had meetings with some of the stakeholders in the area the specific question is the armory itself was parked and recreation under or or their representation in any of those stakeholder meetings they they they manage the armory uh Keith Chadwell again city manager's office I think if I'm hearing the question correctly the parks department has not to date been in any of the negotiations at this time um to the extent that you're making a reference to a parking facility that serves the armory that's not in the consideration that we've reached at this point in the negotiations okay I appreciate that it's it's from a capacity standpoint we throw that into an availability uh you know in terms of the relative uses and so that would that would have to be managed according to event calendars and schedules and I think that's my question that's my issue is that that is the last location really for folks to actually host an event in a downtown corridor and if we make their parking kind of a if and then but I don't like that at all but I just wanted to ask some on the transportation side um is there is this conversation limited to just this site as um as there's an opportunity I mean I'm looking at the tops of everything with this picture there's so much space um is this conversation limited in how we're talking about moving forward or I'd love to know what that would happen in the stakeholder meetings where the conversation is about what happens with the carolina theater the arts you know the art council uh I think on the corner there is is um I think it's got I can't call his last name may I may I speak just a moment first of all on the armory um although I I haven't mentioned that we've had we've had two um shall we say formal meetings with with the groups and the army uh was was represented I know in in at least in at least one of those conversations uh not necessarily in negotiations I that that that hasn't been the negotiating party but the army has been in in the conversation around parking I I I do know that and as far as space goes the the rendering that you're you're seeing is of course looking from the west with the new tower an amenity deck and then it drops off and everything east of that is exactly as it is today nothing else is touched outside of that boundary of morgan Morris Rooney and Foster and I think that's why I'm asking staff if there's a conversation um that I'm that might be happening with this with this along with this to make it more appealing in some way shape and form because as it sits you know just selling a piece of the parking lot for a tower with no affordable housing I'm trying to figure out why we're talking about this we're having the discussion and consideration from I think at this point from a perspective of diligence the the public facilities do not have specific reserved and assigned parking spaces dedicated to the facility in the current in the current spans of parking capacity there are decks and parking facilities that exist in the downtown area that have certain kinds of proximities it would be possible for example that during an event in one of those those spaces someone not going to that event could park in these in a given space and so the the nature of the discussions and the diligence at this point has been one of capacity in concert with the existence of a capacity conversation that exists if this had not been proposed and I hear you I appreciate that I understand like the you're basing it on where we are today and based on the capacity today but we all know that we're growing and we all know that the carolina theater needs parking and we all know that even the little shops on on morgan street need parking and as that continues to to evolve if 27 stories is coming up from morgan street and south bank is also coming up I mean it's just going to crowd if is there if there's a chance an opportunity to actually have the conversation about the entire block within there I would think that this would be the time to have it so that's I'll leave it at that yes ma'am thank you thank you madam ma'am I think my colleagues for a really important I think conversation I will say that in the past life before getting elected I was intimately involved with trying to get affordable units in downtown in the downtown court of the willard street project is I spent many hours and years as part of Durham can advocating for that project and one of the one of the draws of the willard street the successes of it is that it was in very close proximity to a transportation hub and one of the things we learn about affordable housing downtown is and I'm I'm including myself in this I think sometimes we we congratulate ourselves and pat ourselves on the back for putting affordable units downtown but if you have an affordable unit downtown and the person living there can't afford to shop downtown or eat downtown or buy a ticket at D pack and if we've put them in this neighborhood without having things in that neighborhood to support them that then that victory lap is short lived so I think we've got to have a much more comprehensive conversation and I've been part of that crowd that have congratulated ourselves for putting affordable housing downtown but I've learned some lessons as well you know it's a it's an interesting kind of a dilemma to look out your window and see D pack and not be able to afford a ticket at D pack or or or some of the restaurants downtown so I think this conversation has got to be broader another consideration I'm going to be making is that parking deck as it currently exists is it what are we realizing it from it now leaving it as a parking deck are we are we getting five million dollars worth of value out of it yearly now is it going to be five million yearly you know at at any time in the future I don't know maybe but but I think part of my consideration is what is it doing for us now and and what can we leverage out of it and do with that five million dollars I don't think that's an inappropriate question to ask I'm all for and I you know I I have literally been for affordable units downtown and mixed use developments but I've also learned some lessons about them as well and we've got to be honest and have a much more comprehensive conversation about when we insist on that type of initiative you know after we've signed the deal and after we've cut the ribbon and had the press conference the quality of life for those folks that are living in those units downtown is something we need to look at as well um finally I just question for the staff how is there how much more due diligence the staff have to do are there traffic impact studies or has this project or how long before staff will be ready to make a recommendation have we reached a point where this is at the council's uh behest now or how far away are we from that that threshold I think these conversations have been designed for an opportunity to hear the kind of input that we're getting now to bring this perspective into the other perspectives that have brought us to this point we will certainly take this um and and continue towards a point of final finalization where we'll consult first with the city manager about a recommendation and and it will come back accordingly thank you for that thank you madam air are you hi I just I'm sorry I just want some clarity in terms of did you say how many like I guess apartments are going to be in this tower 308 300 and then the other clarity is that you're saying the photo what housing would be offsite but offsite where the the proposal yeah the proposal is a contribution to the fund okay okay and then and you might not be able to answer this but in terms of those that tower of apartments that who do you who would you be marking to live there like what is the income level of the people that would be more going to to live there right it it will certainly be market rate and I think we by the fact that as all of us know some rather large corporations have announced their movement into the Durham area and we would certainly be focusing on the individuals probably that work in that in that level of income thank you thank you good afternoon thanks so much for the presentation thank you to my colleagues for the great questions um uh one of my questions in your PowerPoint slide and I just lost it so I apologize um also it's the same issue with this PowerPoint slide happened with the the previous one it's cut off so if staff could get the the full PowerPoint slide dimension sent us that would be helpful because we're kind of staff staff that they I know that's I know that's in their hands it's just I guess it's how it's being project it's on our end how we're viewing it there's nothing to do with you what you all sent um after completion it says 29 direct onsite permanent jobs in the city I know that you all have what what what type of jobs are you thinking what are the wages associated with it just curious so there are two components there one is the staff that it would take to actually manage our building and that would be all the way from from the concierge service to the leasing agents to any type of third party maintenance that we that we would have to have I mean this is this is a big building it has serious mechanical equipment so there'll be technical jobs associated with it as well I'm sure there'll be be honestly jobs of all level to be perfectly honest with you thank you um I just I I can't remember when we had you know and I don't remember everyone who who was in those meetings yeah I just want to reiterate what I said to you all in that space that unless you are prepared to actually do a responsive robust kind of community benefits package and I understand it might just be my vote and it's one of seven I don't have any real interest in furthering this conversation I understand that the Durham in the 80s had to take these kinds of deals we are not that city anymore and I expect our development community to come prepared for a really honest conversation the economic situation I appreciate Mayor Pro Tem saying you know the cost of the city what is it like to live in a downtown that you can't afford I think that's beyond that we're at a city almost every single place in the city that most people just can't afford and so it is a you know we as as the seven of us and other electives in the city just have to be really candid with our development community we expect a lot we're an extremely popular city uh you know supposedly Silicon Valley is dying and we're going to be the next place and so I want affordable housing in every single place I can manage to get it on this side of downtown there's only one other place that we can put affordable housing and that's the community development building that we own a lot of where we're looking is on the other side of downtown and I believe in a city and in a community where every single person every single income level can access it that is the beauty of an urban environment it's why I've chose to live in Durham it's why I like cities more than rural communities because I want to meet is the place the intersection where we interact we're different kinds of people are sometimes forced to interact and we can't isolate ourselves from one another and we don't get to isolate ourselves from the problems of other folks experience because we're all interacting in common space and so I'm really pushing back on you all and I was very candid with you all when we had that initial conversation I did not mince words and so I'm not mincing words today um uh that's where I stand thank you I kind of want to jump in a little bit before we go back around to some who and I hope that I gave everybody an opportunity to speak in these months uh the third property owner what is their position or whether we have not heard anything about their positioning in this and I understood you just say that because there are three owners we will all have to come together so is your plan to do what with that what is the third property owner saying at this point right we're working on a a development agreement with that party that would tie into this this offer and and the ownership so we we do have the support of that party I will I would definitely want to hear that I'm having a real hard time understanding the benefit to the city um we own that space we own very few spaces in downtown Durham right now we have ownership of 719 parking spaces in that building in that lot as I understand it and then we will lose those to have access to 300 parking spaces is that what would happen if we were to sell we would you would build six units six decks five of which would be for your residents residents one deck would be for public access and then the proposal is to also build additional spaces further away that we would only have the general public would only have access to no ma'am it's the first part of what you said is correct so on the on the first level of the west half of the deck would be public parking the east part of the deck that would remain as it as you see it today would be parking for office workers during normal business hours but would open up for the public after hours and on weekends we we are not proposing to to construct additional spaces uh elsewhere so we lose a lot of the parking that we already own you you do lose it but if you look at if you look at the um we had our engineering partners do a holistic study of this this issue in the surrounding quarter mile and if you look if you do look at it holistically the availability of public parking to bills point uh while back is actually growing another question that i have in terms of the actual units i believe i read somewhere where they're going to be one two and three bedrooms in studio that's correct now are they they for rent or own they all for rent all for rent i thought i remembered that to be correctly and you're looking at a rental unit at market rate um what what does that look like in terms of price 2025 your best guess for one bedroom market rate yeah 20 25 2500 to upwards of 7000 and so all your three bedrooms what would market rate look like that would be the high end and i think we have four that would that we have four of those four of those planned in the upper floors and that would be your 7000 a month and within that context i do have to go back to something i think um council woman johnson uh freeman and javier uh cabero kind of hit on is that i don't see why affordable housing could not be a part of that that just doesn't you you have to show me that mathematically okay where you could not make money that way i don't know that building more expensive housing i'm not convinced i don't know a lot about this but i'm not convinced that building 37 stories of more expensive housing helps our housing situation that we have now you you you will have folk who are coming in you can afford that housing right but most of people who are here now where we need affordable housing they would never be a part of this conversation so are we going to build as a city for the people that we have here now or the people that we anticipate will come it's my dilemma um and right now downtown is not affordable for a lot of folk that was not the case when i grew up here during their own town has turned into something different it was built back but it was not built back in a diverse way and i'm not interested in creating more of that and i'm not convinced that building more expensive will help our affordable housing issue or even have a diverse population of people down there downtown during right now is more segregated than i've ever seen it in my life and i live here i've always lived here and that is not a good thing thank you madame air i appreciate that um heartfelt comment and i think that's the direction that that's kind of troubling me because i felt like in our in our conversation there was more space for convert for kind of a collaboration than what we're hearing today and it's concerning if it feels like staff is pushing you away from a collaboration uh i want to have a conversation with staff and i'm also also trying to figure out um if we're if we're really looking at housing as a whole and really trying to increase housing for all people um the quality of life has to be the same as it is or similar for folks who are in affordable housing on east side of main street as it is on the west side and i don't see how excluding them from the west end of main street benefits us and so i really want to keep heart harkening back on if there isn't affordable housing on site it does feel like we're i mean it's not a community benefit and that's what's most hardest about this conversation today all right because i think that there was a lot i mean a lot of conversation around the bikes a lot of conversation about the chat like all of the things that i've heard folks in the city especially around the downtown core say that they needed could be incorporated into this and a more and it doesn't necessarily and i i want to be clear on site near site around site are all like very different words but we should be having a a more collaborative approach to how this happens and i want to say again that i'm looking at the tops of a lot of buildings there's a lot of square footage and they could also be going up so when you're talking about a pedestrian bridge what does that pedestrian bridge look like how does that incorporate other facilities so that there is also there is access for everyone and that's about it thank you yes you may thank you madam mayor and members of the council i did want to speak as you know as the city manager i wanted to highlight a few things that are important to this conversation today there's been discussions about this particular development for several years the reason that you see it in front of you today is because there's been activity in a very complicated transactional environment that both the private developer who is a partner to ownership interest on one site is on their own accord making an offer to the city to buy the city's rights and in this case the city's property and as well proceeding down the road for development to to have a development plan for a site that they don't actually have current access to or control over so they need to hear from this council in my opinion your thoughts because they are doing what they do in their business but ultimately you're going to be asked to decide about our interest as the city government in that property as as they go forward so this is a presentation is not an action item but i think they have people here who are listening to the conversation and it is very pertinent to the next steps in in this process so just one last thing one of the reasons you don't see you know some of the things you may have heard in one-on-one conversations you know those are certainly considerations in very extensive public private partnerships but we are not we're not down the road that far in my opinion at this very moment thank you madam mayor a couple of things a few things and i was going to start with i don't think we're at a point never we're making any decisions we as a council have heard several things from the community members from the venue members that we have to take in consideration today we're hearing things from you all's perspective and i guess after deliberation amongst us will you know come up with whatever leverage we want to employ and we'll present those and to my understanding we'll figure out where the middle ground is later on down the road or whatever and we could be a bit more forward on this because it's it's not an annexation or a land use matter it's a it's a negotiation of a transaction and i'm listening to my colleagues my beloved colleagues and from an economic perspective i want to just put this out there um i do not want another mcdougal terrace or cornwall is built because i don't feel that our folks deserve that that's a public housing complex the projects however i do believe affordability or affordable housing in some capacity former fashion needs to be incorporated in every single thing we do now whether that's building the actual units or contributing to it that's up to us to determine but when we're thinking about all of the issues that we are addressing we also have to think about how we make those things become a reality and i saw this really cool tiktok video of uh this youngster explaining affordable housing and they talked about building you know it's like all of these folks were moving to a city and everyone moved to that city and they were making really really really lots of money and they came in because that city that municipality's government was like stop moving here and it wasn't happening people kept moving that municipality was getting a lot of jobs and people kept moving in and that municipality wanted to slow it down and wanted to just stop it and what happened was they couldn't stop the people moving there so they started buying up everything that they could get and then the next thing you know you have an employee at apple making 189 thousand dollars a year competing with the person who's on public assistance because we've we've restricted the supply and now we're having a conversation about almost the same thing and uh and please guys this is not a swipe of 80 by this is a really rich debate uh discussion here um folks are going to move here and if we don't build something where those salaries are reflective then the folks who are placed where they are are going to get replaced and that is the issue we're dealing with there are folks that have been living in their homes for decades and there are folks that are actually living in their homes that are getting evicted because of taxes not because of mortgages because the taxes around them are increasing and I feel as though we're on a we're on a we we're stating our concerns about affordability but we're stopping the very thing that addresses the affordability crisis and we can't have a housing affordable housing crisis conversation without having the affordability crisis conversation and you know some of the questions I have is what is the parking deck making us right now I think one of you all asked that earlier uh the other matter is by right you know it's like okay so we own it we have the parking deck uh you know what are we going to do with it are we going to leave it the same you know or are we going to do something with it ourselves if we can you know um and then I look at the lots around and I'm like well we have a lot of growth to do on our end too on property we own because there's a lot of surface lots that are just sitting there uh that we could take advantage of uh and to me the conversation is bigger than one applicant and that's why I just waited to listen to all of the comments uh because I wanted to see where we went with it and you know affordable housing seems to have evolved into a cliche phrase we don't even talk about what type of affordability we don't even talk about affordable to who that's a very subjective phrase that we just pay with a broad stroke all the time and affordable housing are the things that we have issued with in regards to you know uh social services affordable housing doesn't pay for it it doesn't and my biggest fear is okay there's rent for seven thousand you'll never see me living there I just can't afford that but I know that there is about 14 14 thousand people that are moving to the area for one company that can and I don't want them going into neighborhoods taking what people already have because what we're not talking about is the folks who own properties and other people are renting them at a lower wage and then they get that offer that quadruple is what it's worth and they sell and then that person is out on the streets and we're saying well what about the people who can't afford it and the question is I'm sorry you know not not the question but the answer is I stopped them from getting this so they took yours and that is our reality and it has to go we have to have this conversation much more in depth I'm so excited about tomorrow's deep dive because we have to start having more we have to incorporate economic development in its basics fundamentals in these conversations so I I'm all for affordable housing because we definitely need it we have a crisis on our hands but if we don't start building we're gonna have people displaced even more at alarming rates anybody else well matter just in closing um because this is a negotiation of a transaction I am looking forward I think the most valid point I heard was what is the what is the community benefit that package I look forward to you all taking what we're saying today and then coming back and saying this is how we want to wove ourselves into the fabric of the city right now it's from your perspective and it's just a block of exclusivity that's been placed here and that's okay that's for that's business but it's also okay for us in our capacity to say whatever you want to consider this first of all first of all we appreciate everyone's comments this transaction has taken a number of years because of the complexity of what Fred Lamar told you earlier there were three parties to the agreement it was supposed to be something else the markets all changed the easement agreement that's currently in place is very restrictive in each one of the players parcels we were able to collaborate not only with our adjacent property owner which I happen to be the person who led the charge and buying that building and renovating it and getting it into the position that DCRI could be there DCRI then that was an experiment to see if in fact they could move various people from Duke University downtown and that experiment worked and then as a adjunct to that you saw there are my D and I made the decision when that happened not to turn this parcel because we had bought this parcel air rights I committed to not build office but to build housing because we needed it and so putting together the pieces of the puzzle dealing with all the attributes in and around a growing vibrant city a very productive kind of push towards economic development has been tremendously successful so being able to accomplish what we're trying we're all talking about here is our goal from the venue owners to the red to the residential play to affordable housing to restaurants you know I just got back from Chicago which is a benchmark of of some of the attributes that we have tried to incorporate in this building actually the investors with me on this are two larger players in Chicago and so the equity from this for the project is there we're in process dealing with the debt piece of it but we hear you we will we have had in fact on Friday of last week with the venue owners we had a very I thought robust and good conversation there are differences between the groups but from from the ability to get high quality development in this magnitude I mean you're talking 10 years ago seven years ago all of us would not have thought that this type of a venue could occur so we we've listened we've heard we've proposed something we'll digest what you have that's why these work sessions are so important and we'll interact between us all and we'll be back to you if that if that's okay just just one of the factors I forgot to mention is you know we are losing a significant amount of parking right across from venues that generate a lot of revenue for the city and I would like you to consider how you can I don't I'm not a developer so I don't know if you can go higher or whatever address the parking matter as best as you can to your ability um that I'd like you to consider that as you're listening to all of what we're saying um I and my my biggest concern around that is the Carolina theater has a lot of um they have a lot of performances that attract sort of like deep it's like not not just young kids going over there you have a lot of folks that need to be closer in proximity so just consider consider that as we uh talk about the parking situation thank you I'm gonna get some clarity for the attorney for for one second give me a moment before I make some final comments I did want to address and have talked with the attorney um about protocol for people who have signed up um to speak on this item it's a presentation so public comment is normally not a protocol at this particular juncture but if we were to come to some type of an agreement with the developers then it would be more appropriate then I'll let you explain that all right that's correct mayor if hearing what the developer has said it sounds like they're gonna go back and look at the deal more closely if if something ultimately needs to be approved by council that would need to be put on a future agenda and so we there'd be a work session before it got considered at a Monday night meeting so I think that would be the appropriate time to take comment right so we would ask the two participants who have um about two residents who have signed up to speak on these items if you would uh be prepared to speak when it comes before the council on a Monday night on a no this was just a presentation right once it becomes in a full-fledged agenda item it would be appropriate to speak at that work session at that work session thank you all right I just um I am very impressed with the rendering of this and it looks it looks really good and we hope that you know we can figure out a way to figure out how we all win but it's important I think if we have an asset that we have some public benefit that we can articulate and know coming out the gate that we are going to put our uh residents in a position that they can win people are already moving here that are making those salaries I heard a story the other day about the man that put his house up for sale and carry um there was $9.2 million that he's moving in downtown Durham and that's what's happening he's buying a condo in downtown Durham we already have those spaces we have them they're coming and we want people to come but I don't know that the answer is you build more of that without taking into real consideration how much you built on the other end we we heard about what's going on out um on Leesville Road there are lots of houses out there that have been built in the last three to five years but most people who are living in the city can't afford those houses right that are here now and I think that I don't and hopefully in our deep dive we'll get it into it tomorrow but if that was the problem why are we still in an affordable housing situation if we continue to build more and more expensive things why why why do we have an affordability problem and I'm just not sure about that so I'm I'm waiting to to hear how we figure all these great things out it's a great concept I love the rendering of it but I'm just not convinced of the public benefit at this point so with that being said we moved to our boards and commissions and task force nominations I'll look thank you thanks very much thank you I'm sorry all right thank you so much there is a story behind the architecture but I gotta say that to another time thank you so much thank you very much I'm determined that we don't get out of here in the time of fashion as my thank you mayor um the council has nominated Nancy Livea Ramos and Merylis Mercado Emerson to the mayor's Hispanic Latino committee Dane Willis to the workers rights commission and Mamie F web blood so to the Durham housing authority board of trustees all right thank you so much for that we are now turning to selling of our agenda so I'll turn to our city manager thank you madam mayor for your consent agenda I have items one through three item five through seven items nine through 26 and items 28 through 30 for the general business agenda we have item 27 and for the general business agenda public hearings we have items 33 through 37 thank you so much point of clarification madam mayor sure um I wanted to ask councilman macabre for the um item 27 are you or do you need staff to do any additional work or bring anything I I get that I don't know if you wanted to report back on anything okay thank you all right is there a motion uh to settle our agenda for a move second the move by councilwoman Freeman seconded by councilman Williams now we will conduct our usual hand vote all those in favor time I say no reason to live in all those opposed have the same right seeing none that motion passes unanimously are there any other items to come before the council madam mayor I missed this in the beginning due to my tardiness but uh there is going to be uh the Durham success summit this weekend where there are going to be lots of uh young men of color that will be convening over uh just some positive things that are happening in Durham um and I'm excited to serve as a panelist with former mayor bill bill um and also another great event that's going to be engaging our uh our uh millennial generation in voting is the uh sneakerville uh festival with brian dawson i'll also serve as a panelist there to talk about uh voter engagement thank you so much i'll see you there at that event on saturday i think i'm supposed to bring the welcome to that event so i'll see you there are there any other announcements all right seeing none we will stand adjourned at five oh two on september the ninth twenty twenty two bull city strong