 All right, we stream Up the audio is good. Oh now the audio is good. Okay, whoa The audio was double a second ago, but now it's good Audition is good. We're answers good Check out the dashboard dashboard looks good Let's do it. It's Wednesday, June 27th 2018. I'm rim. I'm scared and this is geek nights tonight Holy crap. We're reviewing an anime made in Abyss She was made in the abyss Why did they get it on down there if they knew There's actually that raises an interesting question I think that they did say like other fighting with some other country But it's like the whole of this seems to be in one country like I don't get how the country that country part I think other I think it's neutral territory in other countries all come in Yeah, it's not well. I think it's vague on purpose because it's not the important part or maybe it is later. I don't know Okay It's like the bad white whistle guy could be from a different evil country Yeah, yeah So I've been doing something I haven't done in a long time. I've been I got out like get out my trumpet My trumpet that I get annoying noises. It's not something you don't have been done in a long time So Trump trumpet playing is more Athleticism then it is like actual it's making annoying noises So I haven't played my trumpet seriously in like 15 years So I started playing it again because I would take it would take me about a month of playing every single day to get my Strength just like my physical ability back up to me like an approximation of what I used to be back And I was thinking about doing it professionally and I don't know what I'll do after that it seems like a good exercise and Actually, here's how old this was I had to buy new valve oil because that valve oil I had was so old and it denatured and basically turned into kerosene Okay, it smelled like kerosene. I had to throw it away too bad. It didn't melt your trumpet So you couldn't make a knowing that's like a $3,000 trumpet. It ain't melting anything. We'll sell it I thought about selling it at RIT to pay for like food. I'm glad I didn't I'm glad I held on to it Really love that trumpet. I'm not glad Which you would have sold it so I gotta you could no longer make a knowing noise I'm still playing it out with my 3c mouthpiece, but I did I did fine. I had an old 5a mouthpiece I've been playing with that one that It's hard to play in the upper register with that 5a, but it makes a really good sound in the low stuff So we'll see maybe around Christmas time. I'll just go to the subway on a weekend and play Christmas music And bus can see how that goes. I Could I could be a dozen air if I work out the heart on that? Good do it far away from me. So anyway got any anime news There's not a lot of anime or comic news right now because San Diego Comic Con is very soon Yep So everyone's charging their laser charging their laser and holding back on any kind of news But the one kind of news they're not holding back on is hey everyone come check out shit That's we're gonna tease you about that's gonna be at San Diego Comic Con that you can spend money on That morons will wait in line for yeah, but one of these things is the first time I've ever is actually the first time I've seen something that was like an extended your comic con exclusive that I Wanted an amount more than zero as much more than zero like I'm not gonna try to get it I'll be willing to spend like 50 cents to get one of these which I'm sure is much less than the actual price I wanted but for the fact that I do not want physical things anymore. I know right? It's like but anyway, so what basically the what's going on is you know, it's a he-man action figure It's like well I already owned he-man action figures on my life and I got rid of them Why would I want another one pretty sure my mom actually still has mine? And it's like now that I'm an adult. I realized I don't even like he-man I only liked it because I was a kid and it was I was stupid. That's why kids because you're stupid Man's crappy except it has a castle and a sword and a skeleton, which is why I liked it Which is the only parts I still like and also orco, but other than no one else likes or go anyway I don't like orco and modulac was a good toy. Anyway, they're making a he-man action figure But it is not just any he-man action figure. It is the hey Laughing he-man action figure complete with pink sword. What's going on? So that's whoever made that pretty smart I'm sure people are gonna line up at the front of the con and then I like how it's just Run to the booth that they sell these and buy them all right away and then put them right on eBay For a lot of money. I like how it's just called laughing Prince Adam. Well, I mean what else are you gonna call it? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean if you start typing hey Into YouTube it's like I know what you're looking for. I know what you're trying to find Well, you type hey, but it's in one more letter than it's like, okay We're good here So in some much less fun news and it's relevant if you're going to Otacon the big anime con Well, we don't go anymore because Otacon is you know moved to DC a while ago and Otacons on the decline the Nazis are trying to have a big rally at the same time Right, they don't know about Otacon. No, they're not rally In DC and it happens to be near Otacon at the same weekend as Otacon by coincidence. Yep, which is Kind of bad. I mean, it's I don't it's always bad news when the Nazis show up I mean, there have been not Nazi incidents at Otacon when I was there Yeah, in fact, I have video of a Nazi incident from Otacon. I want to say 2004 2005 there must there are people who are attending Otacon who are clearly pro I don't have that video James and Pete have that video Hmm. The point is there are pro Nazi kids at Otacon to begin with. Yeah, they don't need any help from Nazi Dude, I'm in the Otacon forum and I already see some people defending the free speech rights of the Nazis Well, how can the Otacon if I was a convention and people posted such things in my forum? I would With with draw their badges. I mean since I'm handing them out at the door. I can keep them out I guess we're still technically Otacon Otacon staff because they never formally informed us of being kicked out or anything You log into the Otacon staff. Nope. It says my account is suspended Okay, so then I think you're suspended, but they didn't follow all that procedure that I saw it. There's two anyway if you are going to Otacon or if you even were thinking about going to Otacon you should go to the National Ball and Memorial Parks website and register a formal complaint about The dangers of this rally and how you think it is unsafe for the rally to occur because maybe we can prevent this Nazi rally from occurring. So if you're an anime fan, also, I'm sure there'll be a lot more people at Otacon Then there will be at the Nazi rally. I mean, dude we were at PAX South during Trump's original travel ban and Bonsha people left the con to go protest at the airport, right? You can get probably more people just from Otacon alone to go and harass the Nazis and make their life miserable while wearing Awesome cosplays. Yeah, and that would be real good if you did that Don't wear your a Natalia cosplay though. No, not that one at least not certain Natalia cosplay If you are a Gundam cosplay make sure it's a Not a Xeon cosplay Yeah, Xeon's uh, it's a little too soon to talk about Xeon right now So in some other worse news and I got to bring it up because it just happened and it's a pretty big deal uh, if you didn't notice Uh, a supreme court justice just resigned and if you're in the u.s That's a really really bad thing to have happened right now like to the point that Everyone listening to these words if you're above 18 you got a fucking vote If that even helps Yeah, you got to do it anyway and you got to vote straight ticket democrat no exceptions If you're uncomfortable about the fact that we're talking about politics right now I don't think you should even be listening to geek nights and I don't respect you. Okay, so Read this story and for the love of god votes, but anyway, it's time for that one even Things of the day. So what do you got moving right along here? We're already at things of the day because this is the first time we both watched the same anime all the way through So now you're confident you have enough main bit. You don't have to drag out the news I'm so I think we could talk about the show for way longer than we're gonna. Okay, so anyway, so Uh, I wasn't sure if I should use this thing of the day, but it's kind of funny video It's very new york video. Well early nights things that a gentleman Went down on the subway tracks for who knows what reason he appears in this video to be Under the influence of some sort of something he's enjoying himself Right. He's like he's like chilling and checking his phone. They say he was laying on the tracks previously, which is disturbing But the video is not about the the disturbed man or the police who go and pick him up and take him away Fine the cops to show up. They're like, come on. All right. Come on guy It's about the people the very new york people on the platform saying things like Get your ass up here. I need to get on the train Go go commit suicide somewhere else. You're holding the train. Um, it's uh You know, we talk in the early geek nights days because we refresh out of college I want to give you a feel of what new york is like. Yeah, because honestly This is a very accurate new york video something on this level happens to me once a week Like by default Like I got no exaggeration Something on this level I experience on a weekly basis at minimum sometimes multiple times per week In fact, if a week goes by and nothing weird happens, it's sort of weird It's a boring week Yeah, but I remember way back in early geek nights because we were fresh out of college and we were really missing university life And we talked a lot about how we missed the burning couches not literally because honestly you saw a burning couch recently Nah, I I I saw a burning couch last summer but Not specifically burning couches because to be honest the burning couch was funny But it also stunk up the area outside of our apartment for like three days But we missed the fact that when we were in university Crazy shit kind of just happened all the time and it was just like this background to our lives Living in new york really brought that back So my thing of the day, uh, I don't think scott knows what a hurdy-gurdy is I mean, I know it's like didn't it's either Beatles thing or as effluent There's like a song about the hurdy-gurdy man or something. So I don't know what the I never bothered to look it up. What do you think a hurdy-gurdy man does? Uh, I am is it like the reefer man I imagine, you know, just based on the the language that it's somehow somewhat akin to a hobo Uh, so nah a hurdy-gurdy is actually a medieval instrument Alrighty, I guess that is why it is musically related a way to describe it to a layman would be cross a violin with bagpipes But a better way to put it is how does that work? So a drone, you know bagpipes have a drone like a constant tone. Yes, and also music like also a melody Possibly a melody and a harmony. So this is basically a violin where you have a something Instead of a bow that is Constantly making the strings vibrate. Oh, it's not it's not a sack full of air It's just the strings are always vibrating and then so they're always making this noise Yeah, and you and you play it with basically a modified keyboard that is working kind of like how fingers would so it's sort of like an accordion Almost so imagine so an accordion strings an accordion string pipe an accordion A string into accordion. Anyway, if you don't know what a hurdy-gurdy is If you watch this video you will know what a hurdy-gurdy is and you may find out that actually you like hurdy-gurdy music Which I do And I like bagpipe music as long as the thing is it's weird I like bagpipe music as long as it's like recorded bagpipe music or on tv or something a live bagpipe That is very close to you makes me want to puncture the bagpipe Well, the point of a bagpipe is that you heard from a long way away and remove the kilts from the person who is playing the bagpipe Generally bagpipe performances the bagpipers are quite far away from the audience Not when they're in a parade in the street in the city Yeah, I like I like the parade bagpipes though only if it's you know, the problem is is like My favorite thing is when there's a shitty marching band But the bagpipes that came by before them are so loud that they're still overpowering the shitty marching band They're too loud. It just hurts my ears and I cannot hear the music. The drone overpowers the the music part But when you have record when people record bagpipe music in the studio or whatever They you know, the drag the drone part gets mixed way down or perhaps removed and you only hear the So in the moment the booklet book homo's odyssey by Emily Wilson. We keep talking about it sometime soon This summer definitely a bit today because I took the train today instead of biking and it's gonna rain tomorrow So I'm gonna read more tomorrow. I'm gonna try to blitz through and finish it sometime in the next month or so This will probably be the episode Just read it. It ain't long and it's good. Otherwise look forward to us at uh pecs west I think that's our next con. Yeah, yeah pecs west and all the other pecs is And there's a good chance will be because it's you know, wednesday talk about anime There's a good chance. We'll be at anime and yc. I'm gonna put in some panels Even if we don't get any panels, it might go over there for a day because you're gonna pay money to go there for a day Um, I'm confident I can get myself a badge that is not costing me money somehow But I can take the subway to it and generally I'll go to a con that I can take a subway to Yeah, and it's not a time of this good weather. So that's yeah exactly now if it happens to somehow be a glorious 80 degrees sunny day Hooray Then probably not going to that con. It looks like a panel schedule. It's got two days. We can go to that Well, or three or two or three days. I think it's three. I think it's full on car At least one of the days will be not 80 degrees in what november. Yep, but it'll probably be If we go to any anime cons ever again, it's probably the only one we're ever going to go to and perform at So the good news is their panel slots are only 45 minutes long Way easier to write a 45 minute panel than a 60 minute panel Especially for anime. We can do a lot of topics. We normally wouldn't be able to fit into an hour And uh, the new anime season is starting real soon. So we're going to be judging that season like this weekend Maybe yeah video out. Hopefully next week. We'll see It's work. Yeah It is indeed work All right Now the main bit Uh, yeah, we're streaming So what's up? We'll do a big cook on friday. Let's go to like gordo's or or something. Yeah. All right Oh god, now i'm hungry. God damn it. I had too much lunch on there. I had a little lunch Though i've been going to uh, hailing hearty again because midtown it's like the cheap place to eat that isn't print And they got chicken pot pies now like full on ones with a crust And they're pretty good for 10 bucks All right Keenah it's bits bits So made in abyss We actually watched it. It's an anime And I think it's based on a new one. Yeah, did we judge it? I don't remember if we judged it or not I don't know if we judged it or not Because I tend to only watch like three or four of the anime we judge at any time we judge Right. So here's the deal. It's an anime and in this anime There is it's a fantasy world and in the fantasy world, which I think is earth Now there's no spoilers will save spoilers for the ends. Don't worry There's some island and on the island. There's a big ass fucking hole It's just it's just like a completely isolated island It's just like, you know, and the whole island is a big hole And there's like a ridge around the hole with this town There's a ridge around the hole where everyone lives like it's some rpg or some shit And the hole is the abyss and it goes down No one knows it goes all the way down like way down I don't think it even has a bottom and there's like, you know, they have maps of it And at the bottom of the map it's just like wow Now the gist of the show is what's the deal with the abyss and it's a terrible secret of space Who wait, where did the abyss come from? Why is it the way it is? Why is there a fantasy world down there and but not outside of it? But unlike say A darker than black where there's a secret in space and then they do all this other nonsense And the secret in space just in the background this show is a b-line. It's basically here's the characters There's the abyss they're going fucking as far down as possible as fast as possible and that is the plot Yep, there's a character and her mom was like an abyss master. They have like this. It's a very rpg, right? They have like it feels very secret of mana Yeah, it's like they have these colors of whistles for like how strong you are going into the abyss. Yep j rpg Oh, they're she's a white whistle. Yeah, they're the special ones the strongest, right? So her mom was a white whistle who went to the bottom of the abyss and she gets a note from mom saying come Find me at the bottom So she's like well even though i'm just a little kid with a little red whistle who doesn't know what they're doing I'm going to that bottom and we're going to as the viewer You're going to learn all about the abyss because all you want to do is know What's the deal? What's the deal because there's so many things to know what's the deal with You know, where did this person come from? Where did these mother where the abyss come from and so far How come this unlike say attack on titan that just doesn't even get close to the secret in space And when it does it's stupid so far at least having watched one whole season of this and there'll be more Season one does not yeah, there's manga does not actually end the story But it ends in a pretty good place like I feel pretty good about where it ended Like I don't feel I don't feel like I did at the end of the first attack on titan season. No Uh, it feels like it's going somewhere and it feels like there's a real secret that'll probably be interesting It's like they don't answer necessarily the questions that you're asking But they keep revealing more things and which then give you more questions, right? Yeah, it's like I think this you know I don't know how much is spoilers or whatever. Well, we'll get to a spoiler line and well The main thing is there's this like a curse of the abyss where going down is easy Anyone can go down as long as you don't get killed by some horrible monster or something like that Yeah, it's a really hazardous place that gets more hazardous the deeper you go But there's nothing inherent about the abyss like if you just had a rope and came from the sky You would go all the way to the bottom just no problem But if you try to go up in the abyss Horrible things happen to you immediately like if you go in a little bit and then like let's see you take a few Steps down and come back up. You'll get like a headache You'll be like dizzy just because right and if you go down maybe like they have levels of the abyss If you go down like one level and come back up, you'll be like vomiting and nauseous like crazy Yep Go a little further like blood just starts spurting out of your eyes But only if you go up as long as you're going down or or staying at the same elevation You're not affected But if you try to go up out of if you're already in the abyss and you try to go upwards Towards the out of the abyss that's when you know, this sort of curse just nails you There's even situations where like they're in the abyss standing on like a tree or something And they want to get into this tree house That's above them And they're looking at it like oh The tree the people in the tree house lower like an elevator basket thing And they get in the elevator and it's like the elevator is only going up a little bit But it's like oh my god if I get in this elevator that goes up to the tree house I'm going to be all sick aren't I it's like yes They they get out of the tree they get out of the elevator like vomiting all over the place So let's talk a little bit about the world because the the main characters the like the people we follow in the show are little kids They're like 12. Yeah, if that they're little kids right and they're drawn in a very cute way Well, one of them is not maybe a kid. Well, we'll see one of them is a robot who we don't know how old it is Yep, but it is it is a robot 12 year old child It could be like a 100 year old robot that looks like a 12 year old child But it has the mentality of a 12 year old child and the and the visual appearance We got all these little kids and they're all red whistles and the Storytelling we get there's some environmental storytelling and some characters explain things and there's little details that kind of fill in the picture, but basically There's an orphanage in this town and all the kids in the orphanage Basically are made to go down into the abyss Get artifacts and bring them back up Yeah, very rpg style and as they get better at it doesn't seem it doesn't seem to be an abusive orphanage It seems to be like an okay orphan like it's pretty legit like the kids die It's like it's like it's strict, you know, we're like the but it's not You know, it's not like an evil orphanage like a oliver You know one of those well later in the show you see what the evil orphanage looks like Yes, you see the evil orphanage later But like the kids go down and get these artifacts and here's why the like one of the reasons I like the show And it's like it's like there's a mystery of like, what why the fuck is this abyss full of artifacts? Yeah, it's it's all precursor technology and as you know That is one of my main things. They also find like they constantly find skeletons in the abyss There's two things there's three things in the abyss Skellions are always praying there's three things in the abyss There's priceless artifacts from an ancient and unknown civilization that some of which are like powerful magic items And also for some reason the deeper you go the artifacts become more complex and more powerful and amazing So it's like you go down one level you find like a plus one sword Go down three and you find a weird magic box that like blows up if you look at it and like weird stuff It's like how did this come to be? There's monsters down there. Yeah, and there's praying skeletons more dangerous as you go deeper because this is j rpg Yep, and they there's all longer monsters guard the better treasure But buried everywhere in a circle around the abyss are skeletons in a praying position No one knows where they came from but they don't tell you the viewer Well, so you get the impression right away because there are people who know stuff that you don't see as the viewer And the characters you see in the show don't tell you the viewer But you can see people in the show who clearly know more than they let on like the white whistle people But people still tell other characters like a lot of info like they're not they don't hold back But it's like this one point where they go to this place That's like a museum of relics or whatever and they're there to see some specific things But it's like what other stuff is in there that we're not seeing. Yeah, it's like a huge building It's like what are the scientists who work there? No, what are they archaeologists? No, they must know something So the abyss is basically this pit And it's either maybe a spaceship crashed. Maybe it's some precursor technology Like we don't know the show no idea what what it is. It could be any they could be a portal to the other world It's implied that there were other abysses all over the earth and that this is the last One. Oh, I didn't catch that at all. They talk about how they mentioned this a couple times early on that this is Like the only unexplored one That there were other holes that were like had similar things going on I didn't see that at all and there's also this sort of side sub-story about Like all these nations in the world warring over access to this abyss They do allude to that and I don't know if they don't explain it enough But there are definitely stories they tell about like the cave raiders or the people go down to get relics And how they fight with other cave raiders from other countries Right, it's like for some reason I guess this island where the abyss is must be some sort of neutral territory But the abyss itself is not or the nation that controls it now like won that war Like yeah, there was a war in the past where they destroy where they would and now that that country Or controls the abyss or maybe the whole world they control. Yeah, but yeah, there's like these unnamed countries You don't know the deal is so the main character is this girl who lives in the orphanage And she's a red whistle and normally kids just as they get better at learning these cave raiding skills They progress like blue whistle and black whistle Like you see they show you people who have you know higher whistles and they're clearly stronger You know they've they've gone into the abyss enough that they've with their with their greater strength They can go deeper and come up without vomiting and they they're also super But it's kind of like diving like they like they have artifacts that help them They also just have gained skills. It's like you dive too deep scuba diving And then you have to like do special things on your way back higher level RPG characters And they can go into the abyss deeper and beat stronger monsters and do more awesome stuff So like the kids go way deep like in the early part of the show like deeper than they should And there's people who are down there who are totally okay Who are just higher level than them and they interact with those people and interesting stuff happens But the general plot is that this there's one girl who was our main character And her mom was a white whistle the white whistles are the only people who have no depth limit They're allowed to go as deep as they want and they're basically on their own discretion and no one can tell them for what? They're also all like legendary people like they know like all the names of all the white whistles Yeah, there's not too many of them and they're all they're all like element stir Right. They're all godlike. They're all element stir from forgotten and they have each white whistle is like a unique They have they wear physical whistles on their neck Yep, they have like all these unique whistles where it's like all the red whistles are the same red whistle Right. Yeah, like the white whistles are all unique and like one guy's got these like two skull hands Like two skeleton hands holding each other as his white whistle. Yep, and you know, it's like, whoa, what's up with that, dude? And this girl her mom was a white whistle And either disappeared or died down in the abyss. Yes And she wants to go find her mom and find out what the deal is because a letter comes up from the abyss that says meet me And she doesn't know what's up papers from mom as well And mom's white whistle and a robot kid and a robot kid Well, the robot kid doesn't come up with the mom stuff But in the notes that mom sent back, there's a picture of the robot kid Which is there must be some connection between mom and the robot. Yep And the robot kid doesn't remember anything Nope, but has terrifying powers and see the robot kid really actually only has two powers. He has well Bionic commando arms. Okay. No, he is bionic commando arms Uh, great strength and immune to the curse of the abyss because he's a robo He's immune to the curse of the abyss. Yep And also some crazy superpowered cannon in his arm. Yep And the cannon in his arm is very like Spear of long anews level technology. It's ridiculously powerful But if he uses it he shuts down and then has to recharge and then wakes up Now one thing the show does and other shows like mushishi Or there's a lot of shows that have done this over the years where there's rules of how things work Like magic systems or whatever this show has rules, but it doesn't have too many Pretty much the rule is like if you go too deep in the abyss coming back up sucks Or like if he uses that laser in a certain amount of time He'll pass out for a certain number of hours Right while he recharges is bad and then some rules, but they're like societal rules Like, you know, we don't we don't allow red whistles to go deeper than level one because they can't handle it But it's like nothing's stopping you from doing that because like if they go past level two. Well, good luck Yeah, we're not coming after you now because even if we come back after you if we try to pick you up and bring you back to the Service you'll just die. We'll die while we do that. So So the girl uh spoilers from the very beginning of the show and the robot just fucking go forward and jump down into the abyss I mean, this isn't spoiler because like that's what the show is about It's like they just fucking once they know the mom is down there. They just go and as the show progresses I'm into it. It's pretty cool. Like the the rate of learning new things versus new mysteries arising is the exact opposite of attack on titan Yeah, it's like you actually keep learning new stuff meeting new people people who tell you stuff And just as it ages into a little they also show you as you're going deeper seeing more stuff You know as the characters go deeper and getting into trouble and out of trouble and whatnot They don't they don't it's like the top part of the world that you got used to in the first two episodes They still keep flashing up there showing you what those other that's the interesting thing the plot progresses on the surface Even though based on everything you know There is literally no way these characters could ever return Like this is a one-way trip and yet you keep seeing the the pot Maybe they could stay down there until they become so white whistle strong True because white whistles many years in the future if they somehow survive in the abyss For a super long time like a decade or two Then they could come back up because one thing we do know they leveled up enough Black whistles maybe if they found some powerful artifact that allowed them to come back up black whistles and blue whistles Or maybe they could defeat the curse of the abyss and beat the final boss and then everyone could come back up Of course defeat just removing the curse might be a bad idea. I don't know I don't know enough because yeah, even watching the whole first season. I don't know enough about the abyss to know If that's even a thing that you can do but Black whistles and blue whistles like they go pretty deep like way deep and come back up And once you watch the show a little bit and you see like what level two is like and they're like Yeah, these blue whistles are down and like level four just fucking around like okay. That's interesting I guess that's what a like 17th level bard can do but the white whistles Are very much not quite human anymore No, they're all really weird like I don't want I won't spoil anything about this character But the first white whistle you meet is ozen the immovable and holy shit that character Very very powerful individual that is a fascinating character with some like insane strength Like you meet a I think a blue whistle or a black whistle the dwarf looking guy Oh my god, he's basically like the uncle. I love that guy. He looks like you know, uh typical RPG like fat dude with a with a blue doe beard the guy who's like way dangerous, but everyone underestimates him Right, uh, he meets the kids like pretty deep early on in their adventure He's like whoa, what are you doing down here and they're like we're fucking going for it. He's like all right cool Well, he's friendly and good guy, but it's like he's not white whistle He's like one under that But he's like right, but he's but he's way super strong and super fast and he can you know He's like whoa, and he's like do you need help? I'll take help you He's the one who brings back the mom stuff to begin with yeah, and they're like no no We're going for it and he's like, okay. Just heads up Uh ozen the immovable watch out Watch out There's uh, occasionally the show edges a little too much into a character explaining something But it usually then immediately escalates. I mean explaining something is better than not explaining True, especially when it's a show that's 100 focused on this one secret space with no other stuff going on Like it doesn't get into like the explaining is so much like there's like a lot of character dramas or other things to spend their time on It's like the whole show just spends all its time on it doesn't get into the light novel translated into an anime problem Where it's just characters fucking explaining everything and nothing happened. No, it doesn't happen. It's a manga So I don't know if it's a light novel or not. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it was originally a manga I don't know how far the manga goes. I want to find way beyond where the show was so far Do you know that for sure? Yeah, so I should read the manga the manga is still going Right, but the manga is out in english at least a few volumes. Yeah 2012 it started it's still going But it goes beyond what the anime does. Yes, so I should read it and to know more right now or Wait because I I feel like you'll spoil a lot of stuff for the anime I don't know if I want to read the manga instead and just because the anime The one problem with this show is that based on having watched the show and based on having read a little bit of the manga pretty sure Akihito Sikushi the guy who wrote the manga is a pervert That is true of many the anime tones it down And the show and we've been saying this a lot now in our own lives Some anime have something I like to call the anime tax meaning if a person who is not steeped in the world of like The shit that happens in anime because of the way anime is Watches certain shows They can't deal with it and have to pay the tax like kill a kill If you show it to your mom She'll be you'll be trying to explain the complex metaphor of clothing and presentation And everyone's naked with boobies all and your mom's gonna be like why isn't that girl wearing pants? so Every now and then this show will Something will happen and they'll be naked 12 year olds and you'll be like Okay, that was weird But then we just moved on and it it could be innocent, but you don't know but having looked at the manga Yeah, we know Yeah, yeah so It seems like in this world carrot like adults will just to punish children String them up by ropes naked and upside down for like a day as a like That's the equivalent of spanking in this world And that is brought up more than once There's also multiple scenes where she's like going swimming just gets naked just doesn't care Yep, which basically the main character a 12 year old girl is naked More often than is Prudent or comfortable for the viewer the robot boy who is her a companion and friend They take these on multiple occasions They specifically call out how he has a human penis that works Well, because she keeps checking it out. There's even a scene in which he is aroused while they're in like swimming or something And a 12 year old robot boy and a 12 year old girl due to the nature of the abyss There are a lot of because this show gets really Really dark and violent and difficult to watch Irrespective of that, right? So you have these character designs like monica style, right that are super super cutesy They're not like sd, but they're like one step above sd And then but like breaking an arm is hyper realistic, right? They're like they have broken all they break an arm They're like vomiting and and all kinds of horrible horrible things are happening characters vomiting dangerous and uh urinating themselves due to pain happens kind of often frequently yes now to Despite having said all that the anime does a good job of minimizing the occasional weird things And it doesn't intrude into the show enough to say to where I would say you shouldn't watch it The show is still really good. That stuff is definitely sidelined and could be interpreted as innocent And just part of this world and part of the show Uh, but be warned that if you are uncomfortable watching very cute characters who are Presented as like 12 year old kids being hard being horribly mangled by a monster. Yeah, uh Experiencing the reality of traumatic injury The show is not for you. No But I've thoroughly enjoyed the show and I'm going to watch the sequel Yeah, I mean it's it's I'm not gonna say it's like the best show ever But it's a very good very good show and uh, I want to mostly just you know It managed to provide a secret space that was good It made me want to know it it made me want to know it's not like I don't care Yeah, I really want to know uh, and it managed to not do a Attack on Titan where the answer is bullshit at least yet And it managed to also give information at like a pretty good clip without spilling all the beans It like continued to spill meaningful beans not bullshit beans like all right They just keep giving you you learn more and more about the abyss and it you know, you're moving right along Yeah And I guess if you liked shows like Madoka magica Or Shinsekai yori from a new from the new world like there's interest overlap there with those kinds of shows I don't know if we should but I think we should maybe do a separate like final thoughts episode, but Maybe wait until you uh, see more season. Yeah, but I will say this 13 maybe we should wait at least 26 Because I didn't want to avoid spoilers, but if you read the prince and nothing This abyss feels a lot like Golgotha rock like a lot And like those eggs like those weird egg-looking things that nobody knows what they do Yeah, like you find like find these egg-looking things in the upper levels They're like weird technology like they're there's tons of them Yeah, and they go deeper and they find more but when the ones that are deeper are more complicated But they're not worth anything because no one knows what to do with them Yeah, like some of the artifacts like at least they do something useful But yeah, some of them they figured out what they do But like the girl has to learn to like not pick all this stuff up on her way The inventory management is a big part of the show. It's very jrpg Because they might not only going up is difficult enough and you're gonna carry a bunch of heavy shit Yeah, it's like you went down there to collect artifacts So now you're going or like in pub g and carrying things died you really need another scope You only have one rifle. Just like leave it there. It's fine Well, what if the next that comes and gets it now they got a scope? Yeah, well then pick it up and like throw it in the water or something. I wish there was easier ways to do that Yeah I leave stuff out and try to leave traps or it doesn't work. No, but anyway, uh, if you could make traps in pub g That would be great That's fortnight almost has stuff like that like you can build structures and like fortifications Anyway, uh, yeah, I don't really want to spoil anything about this show But yeah, if you need it if you like a fantasy anime that's you know got some jrpg elements This is the best new anime I've watched in a while You like a terrible secret of space then this is 13 episodes for you in the us if you want to watch it legally I could only find it on amazon primes if the amazon prime You can watch it for zero dollars because you've already paid for it And if you don't have amazon prime, uh, find some other way to watch it. I don't know Oh, and I guess because I kept asking this question You see a lot of art and a lot of memes and a lot of twitter chatter about this show But they pretty much only show the rabbit girl The rabbit girl doesn't actually show up until like the end of the season Yeah, but the rabbit girl Like this is that show if you've seen people like sharing images of this rabbit girl all over anna twitter This is the show that is from All right, I think we're good