 Hey, it's time for Mackie Keb and listener and also my son Lucas brings us our quick tip of the week He pointed out to me. He had something in fact we were getting ready for our trip to Italy and Installing our QR codes for our e-sim plans on our phones and those QR codes for this particular plan we chose came in via email and So I did mine on my laptop so that I could scan it with my phone because you got to scan it with your phone in Order for your phone to like start to process and ingest the e-sim and do all of its stuff He opened up that same email on his watch his Apple watch and Scanned it from his phone's camera on his watch and was able to do it that way So if you need to scan a QR code that you get on a web page or in an email You can do it on your watch take a screenshot of it If it's on the web page from your phone put it in photos now your watch can see the photo boom You're good to go more tips like this plus your questions answered today on Mackie cab 965 for Monday, January 23rd 2023 Folks and indeed welcome to Mackie cab the show where you send in tips like that We share them you send in cool stuff found we share them We share some cool stuff found of our own that's software and hardware that we find It's like you know cool or that you find that's cool. You also send in your questions We share those we try to share answers for your questions to the goal being we put it all together so that Every time we get together. We each learn at least five new things Sponsors for this episode include collide at KOL IDE comm slash MGG That's where you can go to get device security that uses slack to educate your users. It's cool It's like you your your users can learn five new things about the security of your workplace factor at factor meals comm slash MGG 60 to get 60% off your first box and Wild grain comm slash MGG you get these awesome baked from frozen Like sourdough bread and and croissants and all this cool stuff We'll talk more in-depth about each and every one of those shortly here for now Here feeling much better in Durham, New Hampshire before I head off to Italy. I'm Dave Hamilton And here oh hang on. I muted. I muted those guys John. Hey, how are you? Say hi Hello And and tell them who you are. They didn't hear anything you said. This is John F. Braun in Fairfield, Connecticut. Hello And here in lean, New Hampshire, it's pilot Pete good to be back interesting Dave I don't think John knew because our symbology did not show you muted this even though said you were going to Well, they just say the video the video channel was not muted, which is what you get to see I muted the audio channel because somebody on Somebody on that end aka you or John was making noise when I was doing the the about to do the intro Getting ready to go. Yeah, so Upfront I have solar installers drilling through my roof. My dog is not happy with them So you're either gonna hear a drill or a dog or something from my end at some point I will try to ride that mute button religiously today, but Hey, I wonder if I want to ask you folding iPhone, can you take a picture of your own QR code on the iPhone? Oh Yeah, it needs to be like a bendable iPhone not just Like you got to be able to yeah, I like that idea. Oh, that's a good idea. Hey, so Pete I I it turns out I I lied because I was misled in the last episode Well, I had a what what I thought was a positive faintly positive COVID test the day before we recorded the last show That was an island in a sea of negatives that happened the day before that and for four days after that So whatever I had was not COVID. I think it was the flu But man it kicked my butt, but I'm feeling better the last 24 hours We're recording this on Tuesday the 17th the last 24 even 36 hours I haven't taken any like cold meds or you know anything to sleep or anything like that and it's worked out. All right How are you feeling? My cough is certainly hanging in there, but thank goodness we recorded. I think it was Thursday last instead of Friday Friday I could barely move I was in utter misery most of the day and That was me on Thursday when we recorded Yeah, right. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a negative COVID test I even got a negative flu test, but my quack still thinks it was probably the flu he gives I treat the symptoms not the Yeah, yeah, so yeah, right, right, right But I'm I'm glad to be mostly past it the cough is chosen to hang with me So that sucks. Another reason to ride the mute button. Yeah, exactly. Well, I'm sorry to hear that the cough is Is fighting you man, John you you remained unscathed after CES in that regard as far as I can tell I Used one of the free test kits that the government is still providing though not for long And I came up positive and I came out positive I'm sorry negative. Okay, you said that so cheerly Yeah, so that is a you said it in a positive way. Yeah. Yeah, yeah And and but no symptoms like you didn't wind up with whatever flu thing that Pete and I wound up with John No, and that's great. I mean We've we've been through this with trade shows Dave. Oh, yeah, they called it the Mack world Mackerel crud. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we had the we had the CES crud or as I was talking to somebody today They were like, oh, you went to CES and I'm like, yeah And it felt like I waded through the CES pool and got some some crud from that. So yeah Yeah, anyway this morning that we're recording which is last Tuesday if you're listening to this the day it's released Apple announced all kinds of new stuff they They've got their well two new chips the M2 pro and the M2 max and then updates to Two of the product lines. I'll call it the Mac mini product line and the MacBook Pro product line the The chips are So we've had the M2 for a little while now we have the M2 pro and the M2 max the M2 pro Goes up to a 12 core CPU and a 19 core GPU and up to 32 gigs of Unified memory and the M2 max takes that up to a 38 core GPU double the memory bandwidth and up to 96 gigs of unified memory so they both got the they say a faster 16 core neural engine and So bringing all of that performance to us, which is great Like just the next gen of these chips that can go better faster bigger. It matters With RAM right because now RAM is part of Apple's system on a chip So I these upgrades are meaningful not just from a speed standpoint But also from you know, how much RAM you can you can put on your Mac, which we haven't been able to change for a while I had sorry Yeah, so you answered that first question I had then when you say unified memory that that's RAM right on the chip itself That's how though all the Apple Silicon the M1 is this way too. It's the the CPU the GPU the RAM and the SSD are all baked like right into that same That same chip now. So that's crazy. I mean I get it the For lack of a better word the bus speed is now Insignificant it's all there on the same on the same board And yes, thank you Doug. No, that's okay. That's that's um, that's why I Think that's one of the big reasons that Apple Silicon made such a huge leap forward in terms of Efficiency speed and all of that stuff is because energy management, too Yeah, right because the bus is Like you you're not limited the CPU and the GPU can both talk to RAM the same way There's no bus like the bus isn't isn't there like it was in a in a traditional Setup, so okay. Yeah, that's good Then the other question I had pre-show and wanted to bring it up again was why then odd number on the GPU You notice that on the M2 Pro I believe it is it has 19 Yeah, it's a night. Yeah, 19 core. Yeah, and I'm assuming the M2 max has that same 19 core GPU or up to 19 core GPU if they don't they like you don't get that out of the gate you pay extra to go up to that But yeah, that's a that's a weird. I agree. That's a weird number John. Do you have any? Any thoughts as to why they would Have a 19 core GPU No Because a lot of a lot of things in the computer world are Powers of two or even numbers. So I don't know why they decided to do 19 and not 20. I mean come on Yeah, unless it's like You know, there's the with the M1s there was the seven core versus the eight core and The seven core really was an eight core chip that just didn't speck to the same You know the same number like it failed the tests or whatever. So I Don't I don't like I don't know. I don't know. I don't know it. It's interesting to me But it's 19. It's not 20. So who knows make that but again, maybe they live one for for failure That's weird man. I got nothing. I got nothing Maybe somebody will tell us feedback at Mackey cab calm Did you say feedback at Mackey cab calm? I Did and and Pete might be back I can't tell if Pete's back or not Pete came back and he looks frozen and he looks a little frozen So we're gonna leave Pete frozen Doesn't matter nobody can nobody he's back now. It's all good Yeah He's he's frozen and muted. So he's gonna need to fix that problem himself As far as these two computers that Apple updated I want to start with the Mac mini only because that was the first one that I saw and Is I find of interest because I'm not entirely happy with this computer in the studio here It's the eight core Intel i9 Ventura hasn't been kind to this computer. I'm Given that I feel like I'm the only one Experiencing the problems that I'm experiencing. I think it might just need a nuke and pave my main issue is that aggregate audio devices on this machine are Far less reliable than than non aggregate audio devices So apple has this thing. I promise this tangent won't last as long as it could apple has this thing called aggregate audio devices where if you like logic for example can only see One device for input and one device for output and that's true of a lot of audio apps, right? And a lot of apps in general they can see one device for input one device for out one microphone one speaker Let's look at it that way if you have multiple Hardware or software audio devices that you want logic to see you need to aggregate them all into a unified device so that The software can see it as its microphone or speaker right because you only get to pick one of each And that's what if you go into audio MIDI setup on your Mac You can create an aggregate audio device in my aggregate audio device I take my hardware interface, which is a 24-channel personas Quantum 2626 actually it's 26 channels if you count the SP diff stuff And I add that that's my my physical interface here in the studio And then I have a bunch of loopback interfaces, which are software interfaces I use an aggregate audio device to link them all together so that I can like have my microphone Being accessed by logic at the same time as like your microphone John and Pete's microphone Which come through virtual devices and it works great or at least it did for me until I upgraded to Ventura on this machine I've done a bunch of tests this past week. I was up super late the other night Messing with it and the it's the aggregate audio devices that seem to be the crux of my issues. I Can't recreate those on my M1 Mac mini I'm not sure if that means it's an Intel issue or if it's just that this OS needs to be nuked and paved I'm thinking the latter because I'm not seeing anyone else complain about this at all like not on Intel not on M1 so Back to the new Mac mini seems like that might be a better option for the studio than having to buy a Mac studio And I started looking into the Mac minis and So the Mac minis are interesting if they are they are now, you know before this announcement the Mac mini was an M1 mini Now it's either an M2 mini or an M2 pro mini The M2 pro is one of the new chips Apple announced the M2 has been out for a while in the MacBook Air one Distinct difference between the M2 and the M2 pro and max is the number of displays that can be supported the M2 Can support up to two displays in that Mac mini the M2 pro can support up to three displays natively now you could always use display link to add more displays regardless of what the System supports natively, but if you want to do it natively that is the that's the limitation There's other limitations to RAM being a big one So I'm looking at a new Mac mini and I think I'm gonna go with the M2 pro with the 10 core CPU the 16 core GPU 32 gigs of RAM Unified memory sorry I'm supposed to use their terms now and the one terabyte SSD 1899 seems like the right Seems like the right way to go I don't need to spend an extra 300 bucks for two more CPU cores and three more GPU cores, but I don't know Maybe someday all and of course it was nice of them to come out with that a mere 28 days after I bought my M1 Mac mini You know of course P It's the old you're driving home with the the new Z1000 and there's a billboard for the Z2000 That's right. Well, but the rule is like here's like You know is the M1 mini serving your needs. Are you happy with it? You know, that's that's the thing Could I bring it back? Yeah, I probably could but I think I'm running I'm running plex and channels on it That's that's my purpose with it. You're good to go. Yeah for for a decade or more Honestly, my biggest Hesitation and and I have not yet pulled the trigger on this new mini But my biggest hesitation on it is what am I gonna do with this? I'm act like this is a fantastic machine It's barely three and a half years old Yes, I'm having an issue with it No, I don't think it's a hardware issue and I don't think it's like an incompatibility of the OS here I could be wrong about that latter part. I'm pretty sure I'm right about the first part that it's not hardware I could be wrong about it being Ventura. We've we've had certainly plenty of complaints about mature But I don't think it is just because I'm I'm the only one like I can't find any posts about this so I think it's me and And if I wipe it and start from scratch, which I was not gonna do in the you know 72 hours I had before leaving for Italy and needing to record one two three four Arguably five or even six podcasts. So, you know, it was like I'm gonna I'm gonna limp through with this and then figure it out After I get back but This is nice. You may save yourself $1,800 by trying the nuke and pave method. I agree with that But it at what I mean right now I still have to run this thing with Turbo boost switcher off so that the fans don't kick in and you know all of that stuff Because because of the way Intel just works when I record and so like they're there I have been planning on replacing it For that reason for a while But I need to figure out what to do with the iMac. No Better motivator than a deadline though. So if I order this new machine, I will figure out what to do with the iMac Maybe maybe somebody wants it I've got I've got Debbie's old iMac and I don't know what to do with it. I may turn it into a podcast machine There you go. There you go. Yeah All right So I mean I Lisa has a Intel mini the same i9 chip that I think your mini has John I I've thought about Taking this iMac putting this as her machine taking her Intel mini and making that my like super hooptie plex server I don't know. We'll see that like that is an option. But like is it the best option? I don't know so In addition to the mini The macbook pro line was also updated and now has There's no m2 available for the macbook pro. You can only get the new chips the m2 pro and the m2 max in the macbook pro And I believe the form factors have remained the same For the macbook pros. It doesn't look like anything on the outside in terms of just the maybe maybe the ports have changed John, I'm not sure But you've sort of been in the market for a new laptop. I know you were leaning toward the m2 air when we looked at that last Now that this has come out Are you are you leaning in a different direction or are you looking at the m2 air on refurb as the deal of the century? um I think you're correct. So the the thing is I've had macbook pros for Decades um I still like the fact that it has more ports So I think i'm leaning towards Maybe a refurb, but as you suggested a refurb um of the older model Um, which I think are probably in the refurb store as we speak the older model of what the pro or the air Uh, the the pro Okay, so that the m1 The m1 pro based pro or something like along those lines. All right, so let's talk about ports it the thing is it The the performance of both the m1 and the m2 are just ridiculous. Correct. I I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah No, I think I I don't think I need kind of like the the the mac studio I don't need that much power. I mean the the only thing that would stress my machine is when I was doing video transcoding And then the fans would spin up and stuff like that or you know, if I You know was was uh Ripping a dvd was the only situation where the fans would spin up and it was just like this is not Sure, sure So, um, I think I'm gonna go for a refurb Which which I've done for ages and oh, yeah Uh, but both for my my macbook pro and my mac mini um I would say the macbook pro with the intel is Especially when with ventura, uh, it's noticeably Doing some things very sluggish. Um, okay, so I blame us All right, so you're replacing I just want to add some clarity to this you're you're you're looking at the the old I don't want to call it old. I'll say that that a refurb m1 Macbook pro probably an m1 pro because you couldn't get an m1 in a macbook pro. You can only get the m1 pro All right, so assuming that that's available on the refurb site, but you say that you're Because essentially you're choosing between that and a refurb m2 macbook air Both at 14 inches in size. So my question for you is you say that ports are what make a difference the There are there are three ports that are different between the two so that the air has a magsafe three charging port and two Thunderbolt slash usb four ports And a headphone jack So that's our baseline The macbook pros add to that on Uh, a memory card slot Mm another thunderbolt four port on the opposite side and an hdmi port so Those three ports make a difference for you in what way Because I hear a lot of people say I buy the macbook pro for the ports Which port like which one in particular matters So much that you would go with the pro versus the air I just like having more But why like I I mean is it just more is better. Okay. All right. I mean, that's fine. Like it's emotional decision Okay, let me throw in and the reason I didn't spend more money on a macbook pro this christmas was because uh, Because they didn't have the m2 in them yet. So it's like, okay But I got to say I am somewhat disappointed in the fact that my 13 inch macbook pro has two usbc ports. That's it. It doesn't have a magsafe. It doesn't have and when it has a headphone jack It put nothing else and I was like, yeah, once I got it I was like, yeah, this is really kind of a pain in the backside But that being said, I got one of those adapters now I can have usb a and that sort of thing So that's how you can expand your ports a whole lot cheaper I guess then going up to the next model of macbook pro Well, yeah, exactly. Well, and that's that's my question for for all of us is which port do you need? that the And and how are you going to get it right? Are you going to get it as part of a dock? Are you going to get it as part of a It's part of the you know the the chassis of the the computer because Yeah, 40 to 80 hub is going to give you your hdmi your usbc your sd your sd mini your, you know The one thing that most and gigabit ethernet Yeah, yeah, this one doesn't have ethernet that I have but you can get it But but the other the one thing that most of them lack and I would be careful to shop for And I think we a couple weeks ago talked about one I think it was at 79 dollars price point had additional usbc ports because you're eating up one And the one I have only has a power input You you lose a usbc port no matter what you do. I'm down to that's right report. Yeah No, I I like the idea. I I don't even Like I I don't I can't think of a scenario where I felt constrained by two ports on my air However Where I would like the flexibility is having Even just one of leave the same number of ports but put one on either side Being able to have a you know a usbc You know a thunderbolt port on either side of the machine. I like that to me is Is more important in terms of flexibility than than ports because It's pretty rare that I use hdmi And if I do well I need an hdmi cable And so if I'm carrying an hdmi cable, it's really not that much more to carry a dongle that has an hdmi port on it And I'm good to go So like to me that's and there's no gig ethernet on on these machines regardless So I I know you're probably going to get the pro john I'm going to ask you every six months or certainly after after we travel every time Which ports did you use because I like I'm really curious about this like I need more Mentality it just it's it's not how my brain works. And so I'm curious about I get that it's an emotional decision Like that's fine. So yeah Yeah, I don't know it just doesn't like doesn't seem like I wish the air had ports on either side I know why why it doesn't like it's it's cheaper to build it with all of them in one place and not have to run the wire across but You know, yeah, I mean the the other thing that caught my attention was the latest um Uh iMac But that too it wasn't updated today. I just want to start out with that. Okay, just so we're not misleading What I found weird and we talked about in the last show was okay You have the model with two ports and then you have the model with four ports It's like, why did you do that? Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah. Well, I mean it's it's you know, it's worth. 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You got one from tig I do i'ma try and read it before they try and rip my roof off again here installing the solar tig writes in if you open a new finder window and then in the sidebar if you click and hold on the iCloud Location or tags you can rearrange their order. Uh, I discovered this when my favorites Accidentally moved to the bottom of the sidebar column and I clicked and held on the word favorites And then it lifted up and you could move he moved it back up to the top of the sidebar Um, okay. Yeah, there's there's some noise in the background. It's fine. Thanks for the morning So the point is I never realized this I I've moved stuff around before and I'll get to that tip in a moment But yeah, you can take that whole group of favorites grab it and drag it down And you can reorder you could have locations above favorites That sort of thing. Yeah, and then what I'm doing it now. I had no idea. Yeah, that's amazing I add on to that. Um, I I alphabetize what I have in the sidebar of my finder So you can drag and drop each folder that appears there. Sorry about the noise And the other thing that you can do is like I found when we first started our uh podcast I I was navigating about four folders deep and I'm finally well, this is stupid I'll just drag that to the side of my finder and there it is So it brings few several folders deep brings it up and then when you don't use a folder very often anymore You can you grab it and drag it off the sidebar of the finder? I got to get out of here before they rip my roof off That's cool. I so okay, so I I did not know that I could rearrange sections. That's the that for me That's the quick tip today. Yeah, but I mean like that's for me That's why I love to share these things because it's different for each of us what um I I did know that I could rearrange them within a section One thing drives me crazy And I think it's because of iCloud drive I like to have my desktop folder at the very top left of my list Sometimes it disappears from my favorites list entirely in the finder And I have to go grab it from the iCloud section and drag it back up I I presume it's something to do with iCloud drive I don't know. It's it's not a venture thing. I mean it happens in venture I've had it happen, but it also happened in monterey and probably things before that too, but All right, good stuff. Hey speaking of that finder sidebar listener richard in our discord group has a tip for us he says um I've tried several times to integrate tags in the macOS finder into my workflows tagging folders for specific projects For example, but I've always struggled to make the best use of this feature It's always felt like more of an admin task than actually useful. I know what that I know what that's like He says now, however, I think I finally got something that works and sticks for me I now only have two tags one named current one named useful They sit at the top of my sidebar reorganized. Thanks to the previous tip Uh, and at the start of the week I tag every folder that is relevant to the week ahead as current And untag anything that is not relevant this week Then when I'm out in meetings or sessions, etc I can just click into the current tag in the sidebar to access those resources Regardless of where those resources in the actual file system are for files and folders that I use regularly I tag those as useful and these are always available to me from that tag again Regardless of their real file location a bonus tip is that I can also then use the large files home screen widget on my iPad And link that to the current tag Oh, that's the big tip here. So that my folders for this week Yeah, there's the bell so that my folders for this week always show on the ipad home screen All of my files sync using iCloud drive. So this works really well. I forgot that tags will sync huh Oh, yeah, that's a good one. Thanks, Richard I know that's great. I love these quick tips. All right while we're on the finder We got one more from porthos john also in the discord group. He says, um I've got a quick tip to speed up your mac if you have a lot of files on your desktop He says I had a lot of people at my company complaining that their max are slow The issue for many of them is that they have turned on icon previews in the finder's view options for the desktop folder And they have all their files all over their desktop every time they move a window The finder has to re render all the icons on the desktop and that can be very compute costly and I o costly because it's reading from the disk for your mac So you choose the desktop folder and then go to view options in the finder and turn off icon previews That will make your desktop scrolling faster. I like it. This is good. Thank you porthos john Fun stuff. I love these things Good tips john. You got a quick tip for us Yes, I do So lee lets us know about A feature that I didn't know about and you guys probably didn't know about either um Did you know that in ios 16 in settings? accessibility hearing there is a live captions per and beta feature Turn it on and any audio playing on the iphone or ipad will be transcribed in real time and presented on the screen The captions can be customized for size and color Uh, if your podcast player is playing captions will appear on the screen and can be positioned Or made to go full screen interestingly Screenshots of the feature in action. Don't capture the text. So you have to try it out yourselves yeah I'm that a little bit that was amazing I I had this on uh on on christmas day. We facetimed with my daughter and uh We wound up doing it from my phone and it was captioning our facetime call And and i'm not sure when I turned that on for facetime But you can just go into the facetime settings like mid call and turn it off And and then it turns off. But yeah, it's it's it's really kind of amazing how how that works I didn't realize it would do it for podcasts, but obviously that makes perfect sense Yeah, my only annoyance is so I tried it out by iphone 12 mini and it worked as advertised sure um And the translation was for the most part accurate Um, here's my frustration I can't copy the text Right Yeah, right come on. It's like guys. I mean you're you're doing all this work in the background. Can't you let me Copy and paste the text that you recognize that apparently they don't the other thing I found um Is that this feature looks to be available on mac os as well Really? Here's the caveat. Okay, only for apple silicon. That makes sense I mean, it's it's like same with the iphone right the iphone is also apple silicon. So yeah Oh something about that neural engineer. I kind of get why they do it You may want a screenshot of what's on your phone as opposed to a bunch of darn text That being said there should be an option to choose. Yes. I want the text or no, I don't want it Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah Huh, I John your point about like save the transcript somewhere for me or give me the option to save this transcript I I I would like that too Yeah, because like a zoom call I think you can get the trend if if you tell it to do The live captions or whatever zoom calls it like I think you can get the the transcript of that at the end of the call I think it's saved out if you're if you're recording the call Maybe that's why Right, maybe like certainly for FaceTime calls There is the expectation that FaceTime calls are not able to be recorded at least not on the same device I mean you on a Mac you could record it like obviously, but um Oh, yeah, interesting Huh, I don't know. I'm trying to come up with an answer Which is you know We went to tell people if they want a transcript of this show then write down every word you hear That's right. Yeah Yeah, we we will we will be pushing out transcripts as part of the podcasting 2.0 thing There's there's lots of engines. We're gonna do it this year even though Even though the project has stalled it will be finished one way or another Uh, even if we have to fire the person that didn't do it the first time Hi, john. How you doing? Great, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. No reason what? Uh Mark M has a tip that I didn't know my guess is this has been there for a while Uh, he says when scrolling in about just about any app savari preview I tried it this morning in audio hijack because it was the only place I could get a horizontal scroll bar He says if you have a device with a scroll wheel You can use your scroll wheel to go up and down but If you hold the shift key down and you have horizontal scrolls It will scroll horizontally and I tried it and it works It's great for when you get older He says and you need to zoom into documents to see the text and then we can have the full text on your on your monitor And you can still scroll around with your mouse or or whatever. So yeah, I'm cool. I had no idea This is why I love quick tips. I learned to thank you sounds like it's useful across multiple displays too left and right You could zoom way in Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it you're well Depending on how you're doing multiple displays. Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, you can't have one window across multiple displays Extended display won't yeah. Well, you can if you turn off Uh, each display uses a separate space Like if if the displays are all one quote unquote space in macOS. Can't you stage manager? You can't have menu bars at the top of each display But you can have one window that literally spans multiple displays. So yeah, yeah Uh What is going on my speaking of transcription my watch today is deciding to transcribe Everything I'm saying here. So I have taken my watch off. I'm not convinced that's going to solve the problem Yeah, uh Port those john in discord has another quick tip. He says an oldie good, but a goody If you're trying to mass quit a bunch of applications You can quickly quit apps using the app switcher Get into the app switcher by holding down command and then tapping tab that brings up the app switcher And then while continuing to hold command down to keep the app switcher alive Tap tab to select the app you want and when you're on it Hit q so just like you were going to switch to the app Get to it and then hit q instead of releasing command and that'll quit the app You can stay there hit q It'll quit the next one and the next one and whatever one you happen to be on at any point in time I use this all the time. It's like this is one of those tips But it it's one of those things people that see it across my shoulder That don't know how to do this or didn't know it was possible to do this Is perhaps a better way to say it always go wait, wait, wait, what are you doing there? How'd you do that? Yeah, great tip. Thank you. Wait, there's more. Oh Dave, what if you accidentally hit q on the wrong app? Oh Yeah, what happens because that's going to quit an app. Yeah as soon as you release the tab key It's going to quit it. So keep the tag key held down Tap q again and it will remove that little hand Go ahead and try it now. It won't go away. Yeah. No, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try it now while we're podcasting go to an app that you're not particularly using tap Tap the q And then tap the q again before releasing it and it'll take that red hand away and the app won't quit We'll release the tab key. I I I hit q. Oh You have to keep tab down for that to work. Yeah, hold the tab key down Got it. And and then I don't have any more to q You'll see a little red hand come up and then you go to another app and you tap the q and you go Oh, I hit the wrong one if I hold the tab key down. It just keeps scrolling. I'm sorry. I'm sorry the command key But I misspoke. I knew what I meant I knew what you meant too, but if I I mean I have the command key down Uh, I'm not holding the shift key the command key is the only key down If I hit q the app quits immediately Pete you're you're muted and so I can't hear you But if I hit q Okay, so what I do like I've got text edit open. I could close it if I hit q I just get a red stop sign with a hand in it and I can move on to another Program hate. I don't think you're using apple's tab switcher. Oh That's regard. That's keyboard maestro, brother. That's correct. That's what it is So keyboard maestro allows you to un-unquit Okay, we'll stop holding it down still so so yeah, I tried to get you to quit uh Stream yard in the middle of the show But you didn't fall for it. No, I tried I tried to but Your sound's gonna drive me crazy between the the talking when muted and the the loud stuff You're you're giving me a run for my money today, Pete. No, I I am convinced that like At some level these things only bother a small subset of us of which I am a part It does there are listeners out there just like me But enough of it gets to all of us, you know, but yeah, I try to get past No, you're you're sounds like an f5 tornado would be quieter. Uh on my roof right now. It's it's loud. Yeah, for sure Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's all right. Hey talking of quitting and uh, and just finding out keyboard shortcuts Ben has a fantastic quick tip for us. He says, uh In last week's episode you were talking about using command w on an ipad with an external keyboard Pete you went on a tangent about learning keyboard shortcuts by browsing application menus Dave clarified that this is possible on the mac but not the ipad where there aren't those menus to peruse But as ben points out there is in fact a way to learn keyboard shortcuts on the ipad With an external keyboard connected Just hold down that command key an overlay will appear listing the shortcuts available In the current application or context you can use a shortcut or press any key to dismiss the overlay That's good. I forgot about that ben. I don't use a keyboard with my ipad often enough to remember these things So thank you for sharing that that's yeah, you're right. That is the way to find them Good stuff. We got a couple more quick tips to go through here AQ shared a tip in discord Says uh touch and in carplay touch and hold the bottom left icon Which I would call the application grid icon where you can sort of switch uh to your application grid as opposed to Back to you know, if you're in an app or whatever Um, if you touch and hold that icon in the lower left, siri will be activated. It's handy when for example It's too noisy in the car to use the verb old the verb old verb old verb old Hey, for you to say hey s lady command. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I had no idea. I love these things Super undocumented. This is why you want to join our discord channel folks At geekyup.com slash discord all are welcome. I think there's about a thousand of us in there now Maybe a little more. I haven't checked the numbers in a little while, but uh, yeah It's a great community. But be patient in the car with your elderly relatives. My mother god bless her who tuned from 97 tomorrow Amazing of the day of recording last week, uh from the show Yeah, every time I start talking to the s lady, um starts talking to and it's like mom You gotta give it's a hands-free state. You gotta give me 30 seconds here Yeah, I I don't know that that is Limited to people of certain age groups. Pete. I I have people in my life who the moment I start talking to the s lady or the a lady They're like, yeah, I'm just gonna talk to you now like it's as though They don't also use the a lady or the s lady in their lives and understand how it works Yeah, yep. Yep. It's this is not an age thing. Pete. Uh, nope Fair enough Nope, sure ain't hey, uh, I probably should have grouped this with all the finder ones tn papa Reminds us that in the finder we can use command command w will close a window And in fact, this isn't limited to the finder. This is almost every app on your mac Command w will close a window command option w will close all windows of uh, Certainly I use this more frequently in the finder than anywhere else Which is probably why tn papa and in discord said the same thing Um, because there are a lot of times where it's like, uh, oh, okay Now I've got 40 windows open in the finder. It's time to punt gotta go back to the beginning here, you know So but it does work in most apps and again on the mac you can see this if you go to the file menu Uh close will be command w and if you hold down the option key, you'll see if that changes in that app Any thoughts about any of these folks? I love them. That's that's a great one. That's that's universal right hold down the option key when you've got any of those Menus up and you'll see your keystrokes Your short keystrokes change you'll see them change. Yeah often often if they are programmed to change correct Yes, that's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I'm trying to find this but um, there is something on the mac side called cheat sheet Okay Like a like an app Once you once you install it and I'm trying to get a link to it Yeah, it's from media atelier. I've got a link for it in uh, I'll put it in the show notes. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, great. But that that's that's a good one on the mac where if you hold down the command key and Wait, wait a few seconds. It will show you all of the Keyboard shortcuts for the currently running app Kind of like you get on the ipad automatically. Yes One would think apple could do this for the mac too I guess they don't have to because the folks at media atelier did all right interesting All right, I wonder where apple got the idea. That's pretty good Fun stuff. I love this. This is where we learn things good stuff Let's see. I don't know what else we have here guys. I got one more quick tip to do before we go to whatever is next scott Reminds us. He says Uh, you mentioned In the last episode you were talking about periodic restarts of your max He says now, of course in ventura, you have to do that from the command line You can't set it up from the gooey because that doesn't exist anymore However, for those of us like me who back up using some type of software other than time machine It can be easy carbon copy cloners scott continues offers a simple option to restart the computer after the backup Is complete easy peasy I back up every sunday morning at 3am and when I get to my mac It's waiting for me to log in because I have file vault set So there's no need for scripting shortcuts or terminal commands. Just tell the app You're already using to do it for you. That's a really I like that idea um You know, I think We had somebody write in who was talking about daily restarts of their mac and and the way they wrote it It seemed like they were they thought they were following our advice to do daily restarts I I thought for me and for most of us in our community here I feel like daily restarts might be a little much but uh weekly restarts certainly Pay off for all of us here. I know john doesn't might I do them Pete do you do scheduled restarts every week or not yet? I don't only because I have a laptop and that you know frequently I'll go a couple days and then I'll just turn it off if I'm going to transport it for five or six hours somewhere Got it. Okay. So, um, yeah, let let me throw this in though Well, hang on. Let me hold that thought Just because I want to I want to I want to finish this the the weekly restarts Are a great thing and if you're doing a backup every week The nice part about that weekly restart is If your mac hasn't restarted in a you know over a week You also know that it has it probably hasn't completed a backup in more than a week And so that's a nice little heads up that you might have a problem So I just wanted to share that thought before we got too far off now. Let's go There you go. Well, it goes back to I guess I guess the solar installation in the house So last week they were coming and then he got sick and delayed till today So I moved the perner out of the way and then debbie needed to print something yesterday So I plugged it all back in and you know, of course A couple hours later. She comes up from the basement where the perner is because I've about had it with all the tech in this house. I'm going. Well, that wasn't directed at the dog or at my son No, that's okay. What did I do now? Yeah Restart everything because you know what it was a fresh restart on the perner But basic troubleshooting number one shut it down restart the printer work fine Yeah, but all I did was go down and reboot it Rebooting your max same thing. Uh number one thing before you go to anybody for help Give it a kick in the pants restart it You know just pizza advice Hey, have you resolved to have more meals with family and friends this year? If so, how about giving them a reason to gather around the dinner table? 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He says for years I used an app that was sweet and simple to address ad hoc envelopes easy envelope It's in the app store last updated nine years ago and he says it looks like ventura killed it Hi, I know how to print an envelope from the contacts app. He says but not infrequently I need to address an envelope where the address E is not in contacts And I want to type or copy paste the address into something and then spit out a printed envelope No interest in saving and I want to be quick and simple Would you have any suggestions for a replacement? Since I've tried to envelope magic, but I cannot copy paste and I have to type in the details line by line Save it all then print. I might as well use contacts or do I just have to grow up? So first of all, I want to say that at least for me larry buried the lead I had no idea that you could print envelopes from contacts and what's even cooler Is if you have multiple Return addresses you get to pick which of your return addresses you're using it's it's all in the print dialogue You just choose the person or people that you want to print envelopes to And and then, you know, you choose your return address You choose their addresses It's friggin amazing It really like if if you have people in your address book contacts Like I'm I was blown away when we when we prepped this last week and was like wait, what I had no idea So I'm I'm I'm guessing I'm not the only one but I maybe I was In terms of if I need to manually make an envelope, which I do All the time, you know, if I need to send a letter to the bank For whatever reason I got to print an envelope because they didn't send me a self-addressed stamped one Whatever, you know with with the circles and arrows on the back of each one. I use pages pages has a great envelope template And I basically have built my own envelope document It's like Dave's envelope and I go in there It has my return address already because I put it in the one time And then I just paste or type in the The uh, the you know, the whoever I'm sending it to and and that's it hit print one Uh quick tip that I will add I have, you know, I formatted the the recipients address with the font that I wanted and all that good stuff If I'm pasting something in it might come with a font or whatever I do that And I it's probably keyboard maestro, but I think you can do it Another way. Yeah, you can do that paste and match style To match the style that's already in the document So it basically pulls it in as though it were plain text And puts it in the document so you're not like inheriting any weird styles from whatever you copied when you're when you're pasting it in But that's how I make envelopes. How do uh, how do you make envelopes john f brawn? Uh, the last time I did I did what you did use pages in the past I would use open office, which apparently based on what I just see here Uh is discontinued, but they recommend librae office Okay, yeah, or neo office, but yeah, I would use pages I like why launch one of these massive I mean librae office takes a long time to launch even on m1 pages like comes up right away Like that that's why I use pages for very few things, but envelopes is one of them for that reason And I agree with you. I I abandoned um Microsoft office ages ago because apple's apps Pretty much do what I need. Yeah, including printing envelopes. So Yeah Yeah, so as I mentioned a short time ago Our printer is in the basement Why I have to go down there. Yeah. Well, it's just down by the router. Even though it's a wi-fi burner It's out, you know, it's out of the way. It's That's that's where it is. So, uh, so the page or the the paper tray stays loaded We print out documents all the time, but I it would be a Pain in the backside to you know queue up an envelope get it down there put it in that sort of thing So generally speaking I use this technology that I'm holding up in front of the camera For those of you listening it it's a Basically a big pen and then you you press down on one end and you move scratch it across the envelope And this ink comes out and it leaves the address on that's how I do it Um, so highly inefficient no doubt about it, especially if you had a bunch to do I just um, I I don't see the solution for me with the printer in the basement Is there that makes sense? No Yeah, that's a really good point like most of the time when I need to print an envelope Uh, I do it in my office and the printer is, you know, 10 steps away However, what I've found is my printer Uh, if I'm printing an end and you should try this with your printer too because it might work for you I I don't have to get up twice I sit at my desk. I launched the envelope document You know, I call it my envelope template, but it's not a template. It's just a doc Uh, I you know, I fill in whatever I need to fill in I hit print Now the printer knows that it is a document type of envelope and a paper type of envelope And it beeps at me saying I don't have envelope in me. You need to feed me envelope And so I I don't have it used to be that like I would like race up from my desk and try and you know beat the guillotine, right, you know, but um I don't know. I actually I do know why I use that phrase. It was from the boston driver's handbook. I highly recommend it Uh, but um, but you don't have to beat the guillotine. You you can just put the um You can just put the the the envelope in when it's ready and then for my printers and it this has been true of the last few printers I've had interesting. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's only three or four years old. It's a it's a color laser. Yeah, give it a yeah Yeah, try it it might just make sure you're printing to Like you tell it that the paper type is envelope, which you'd probably do is a matter of of course by creating an envelope document Like it's you're not going to be printing it to eight and a half by 11 Paper right, you know, so like that happens naturally Um, sure. I don't know. Yeah, and that was my struggle with printing envelopes. He moved with easy envelopes Um, is you had to get it just right? In what way do you have to get it? Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean you've got to put in like it's an a for what a 10 envelope Is a 10 is that the thing I want to say a 10. I don't know Probably on the side of the box, right? Yeah. Yeah, but it's on the side of the box. Yeah, exactly Yeah, but the the other tip here is If you print envelopes Um, print them using a nice generic font like courier Um Because the post office will scan it and recognize and then put a barcode on it Yeah, you you know about I think you can use just about any font you want because the post office puts barcodes on Pete's handwritten envelopes to via their scanners But I so yeah, and the other thing I know is you know having worked in postal for a while. Um There are people if it's handwritten Um, it's actually looked at By a human. I don't think that's true anymore Um Pretty sure it is unless unless it can't figure it out, but uh, well, yeah, yeah No, if it can't figure it out. No, you're right. If it can't figure it out Then it'll go to a human But that's you have really sloppy handwriting. So sure. Oh, yeah Yeah, yes agreed, but otherwise the the machines are scanning them a hundred percent of the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, and as I recall I was gonna say I think once last time I printed envelopes and You once you put your zip code in it barcodes it anyway, which is all the post office cares about is the zip code Then then the carrier gets it at the other yes And then you can pre you can pre sort your mail and save money too. Yeah, if you if you're shipping in bulk Yeah, I'm wondering if uh If there's like a if stamps.com or something like that handles that issue for you too, but I don't know Uh, yeah, I mean I built Back in the old days. I say the old days. I was younger. Why do I call them the old days back in the young days? I Managed the mailing list for my band Go figure, which is the band that you hear Play the intro and outro music to to this show That's a song called the answer surprisingly enough or interest ironically enough So we and we would send out our our mailing list on postcards So I would you know, I we would we would do whatever we did to create the Side of the mailing list that you would see because postcards were cheaper and we were sending out like, you know 2,500 of these so at scale it mattered And then I would and I'm sure my employer high city bank Hated me for burning all this paper and toner, but I wrote a file maker script That would print out all of our um You know our our mailing list uh on Four up on an eight and a half by eleven, which is what the postcard size was right? it would print four addresses per page And uh, so I would go in with you know, whatever 300 pages to the post off or to the the print house and they would Take those 300 pages and copy them onto the back sides of the postcards and so people's mailing addresses were Printed on our postcards and I used a file maker script with a special font To put a barcode on those so theoretically I could have taken advantage of pre-sort I think we got close but not quite at the limit of what the post office would have accepted Pre-sort for me, but but yeah that I'm sure I still have that file maker script somewhere I I'm guessing maybe the current version of file maker might read it, but I don't know Yeah, probably not there was no there was a change From like seven to eight or eight to nine or something with file maker where The format had to change because of something else. I forget what but um Yeah, yeah But anyway post office does the ocr I didn't need to do the barcodes, but I liked it because you know, I was a nerd I still am a nerd regardless of whether I'm in my old my younger days my older days That's it. We're in our older days here Hey, john How you doing? Yes Great. How are you? Hey, you know, I'm doing all right doing this podcast right now But things are I think feel like the show's going pretty well. How do you feel like the show's going? Ah, let's see here. Let me get joe up here. Oh, you're gonna take us to joe amazing Joe found it. Joe found a thing. I'd like to know how to find it when I want it Yes, all right. So here we go um Yeah, this was a surprise to me, but joe says Uh was catching up on the podcast where Pete suggested having a second app in account Indeed, I didn't have a second either. So adding one to my mac. I came across A cool stuff found which I didn't know existed Which is the definition of csf. I guess Uh, really the definition of csf if you guys want to know This is super tangential I treat csf as software Or hardware that you can either, you know, buy or get or download Things that are built into the os that we find quick tips That's my that's how I do this you folks call them whatever you want But just know that's where I'm going to put them in the show You know, but this one's different. This one's different because this This is a curiosity Yes, so uh to continue when I went into the ad user I misspelled my password and was presented with the pop-up shown below Uh, I noticed That what's the what's the name of the pop-up? Uh, the name of the pop-up is password assistant Okay, um this brought up a dialogue which I've never seen this looks a lot like a password manager I've used for years allowing all sorts of defined Automatic password formulas. It's really cool and I have never noticed it before Um, I'm not sure it's used. I tried a couple of browsers and didn't get it. So This is like a feature that is Buried in the os and how do I access it? I don't know um I mean, this is cool. You get to pick the dialogue. Yeah, go ahead It does it brings up things that are similar. Uh, for example, I'm still using last pass Um, but it brings up a dialogue that has several options. Uh, you can manually define a password You can do letters and numbers. You can do numbers only Uh, random and FIPS 181 compliant, which, uh Sounds pretty serious And then it will let you choose options, uh for the length and then it'll give you a quality rating Uh to make sure that you choose a good password like the other managers Uh password managers do so I just thought what's kind of cool. I'm like, I never knew this existed But the question now My friends is how do you access this outside of the user The um, uh user and group I think is is where you access this. It's not an app or a utility that I've been able to find I mean, yeah, it it's the password assistant and it looks like somebody I don't know who but thank you Put in the show notes a link to apple's tips for creating secure passwords on max support article And this is according to that article this password assistant dialogue Is the thing that will come up if you click the little key button next to the new password field And theoretically this would happen anywhere you're creating new passwords for like iCloud keychain or things like that Uh, I don't I don't know because I don't use iCloud keychain that way So I've never stumbled onto it But I would love to know a way to just like invoke apple's password assistant like Whenever I want ad hoc because I like I need to create passwords sometimes where I'm not using I don't want to use my password manager So I wind up going to like xk password net or uh, you know, there's there's actually tn papa In uh in response to our discussion about this in 962 recommended a utility called uh Uh ps wd a password generator for ios and macos So we'll put a link to that in the show notes. That's uh, that's definitely a cool stuff found but um Yeah, I don't like I would love to know how to how to like invoke apple's password Uh assistant at any point in time, but I don't know how to do that So and it might not be doable Like it might only be on those new password fields and I just look I thought one password had a Password generator within it and if it was there, I'm certain it was it doesn't appear to be simply here now. So now I don't know. I don't know. I don't know Yeah, I mean there is one wait, you're saying you're not finding one in one password. I'm sure it's there Oh, it's there. I know it's it, but I just don't know Yeah, I get it too quick. There used to be you know a tab or a button at the top You could say generate a password and it would come up with but I'm not seeing that anymore That's a really good question. Pete because I'm because last pass definitely Does that in the and it gives you similar options. It's like, you know, do you want to use? You know letters numbers characters the the length of it Similar apples. Yeah, but now if I create, you know create a new item a new login or something like that And yeah password window I can click on create a new password. It'll do it there, but there used to be a button I'm certain at the top of the on the toolbar of one password to create a password Yeah, I'm looking in one password eight. It's definitely not in the toolbar icon. You're right about that And I'm looking in like the menu list in the in the app Proper and it's not there either. You go to create a new login and you go to the password window Yeah, then it's there right there it offers. So that's that's the workaround I guess but Huh, I don't know. I just I tend not to use those anyway. I have my main Password to get into one password is a randomly generated password like that that I have long since memorized Other than that I tend to be a pattern Yeah, I I pad with patterns that I only I know and Pete I lost you for a second. That was my fault not yours. No that that whole issue with aggregate devices and core audio occasionally strikes and uh Yeah, yeah, this is interesting. Well, I mean, we have we have the uh, we have the tool We have the pswd tool. So that's gonna be our that's gonna be our friend there I use I use xk password pass wd.net which is a great utility for a web utility for Generating passwords. So that's That's what I use. I'll put a link to that and uh in the show notes because it's super handy but um But yeah, other than that I got I got nothing and you know what else I got is that um I got the band I gotta bring those guys. Are they back already back already We're here. We've only been going there at 13. Come on And we're going out at 13, but we squeezed this in Uh between all sorts of uh appointments and travel and all of that so We need to off to Italy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, should be off to the dolomites. It's not going to be warm It's going to be cold there. Yeah, yeah I'm told it's beautiful and I'm looking forward to getting the family together. So it's good Yeah All right. Thanks for hanging out with us folks. Thanks for sending in all your tips I know I I I didn't just lie about um Testing positive for kovat, of course, that wasn't an intentional lie and neither was my one about Promising cool stuff found in this episode technically we did get one cool stuff found in with that password generator app However, we promised some from ces We've got lots in the queue folks So uh as soon as i'm back from italy on the 30th of january, which for those of you listening when this is released is Simply on monday, uh as normal We will do plenty of cool stuff found partially because we have lots in the queue and partially because i'm going to be traveling and One of us in the group here answers more questions than the others And so i'm guessing that the questions won't have been answered by the time I come back I'm just saying things. That's all. I don't know what i'm saying I was so much younger then i'm older than that now All right Uh, that's the old mitch headberg jogger. That's a picture of me when I was younger. Well, of course it was No such thing the picture of you when you were older. This is true. This is true That is a picture of me when I was younger. This is a video of me when I was younger if you're watching the video uh Yeah, thanks for hanging out make sure to check out pete's show So there I was make sure to say thank you To the folks at cash fly because they provide all the bandwidth to get the show from us to you Make sure to say thank you to all of our sponsors You can see them at mattkeekup.com slash sponsors You can also check out the ones that we mentioned in this show Of course factor meals dot com slash mg g 60 collide.com slash mgg wildgrain.com slash mgg Tell a good one folks Pete What's your shirt say? Well, it's advice for you on your way to italy I'm gonna be out there in the dolomites. It's gonna be cold. Yeah, whatever else you do Don't get caught That's good advice Later And we're out