 We need to talk about what the church is. Is the church Israel? Is Israel the church? Are they both the same? Have they been combined? What is it? And so before we get started, because I wanna ask you guys a question. I wanna, this is us kind of doing this together. We wanna talk, interact. I want some engagement. What's up, Clement Gray? How are you? I wanna see what you all think. Now, there are gonna be some that are gonna say, well, the church and Israel the same. The church becomes Israel or Israel is the church. The church has replaced Israel or Israel and the church are distinct. Well, maybe if we define, and I need to get another chair. This is a new chair and it squeaks like nothing. I don't understand why this thing squeaks, but anyway, we need to figure out, I keep moving, I just cannot stand this chair anymore. But let me ask you guys a question. What is the church? Because if we can define what that is, I think we can figure this question out. I want us to use or utilize our tools. Utilize how we read the scriptures, how we always read the scriptures. How do you know that Jesus died on the cross for you? Well, how do you know? How do you know that Jesus died on the cross for you? How do you know that if you place your faith in Jesus, then you'll be saved? Is there, how do we know that? Well, we know that because we read the scriptures. It says so specifically. And because it says so specifically, just plain as can be, we can understand it. Now, are all the things that we want to know, are they all so clear? No, not always, but one thing we can know for sure is what the church is. We can see clearly what and who the church is. So my question to you guys is, who is the church or what is the church? Better yet, either however you want to put it, however you want to have it asked, who is the church, what is the church? So I'm asking you guys, you all give me some feedback so I can kind of see. And then that might help us out because as a matter of fact, let's let me see what the poll says, how you guys answered the poll. 72% said no, Israel is not the church. I'm sorry, the church is not Israel. 6% says yes, we have replaced Israel. 12% says that we are the same as Israel. And 11% says I have no idea. I'm just here because I wanted to hear the theme music and I appreciate that. But for the rest of you guys, what is the church? What is the church? Who is the church? How do you become part of the church? Flying Copper says the body of Christ, all the Christians. What do you all say? What do you all say? What say you all? Sin makes you stupid, which it does by the way. Aren't the church and the children of God those who are born of God? I believe so. But maybe. Let's see what Carlos, hello Carlos, how are you? Carlos says the body of Christ. But now what I wanna know though guys is why do you say so? Shari says blood bought saints. Okay, okay, but do you guys have scriptures? Christopher says the called out ones. Now, I know why you use the term called out ones. It's actually technically not called out ones. However, I can't give you a bad grade for it because the term church is made up of two words that if you just break the two words apart, it says act out of and then Ecclesia, which is the call. And so the called out ones, but that's not technically what it is. However, if someone goes with that, I don't have a problem with that. But the true term for the word Ecclesia means the assembly or the congregation. The Bible really never actually had the term church in it, but I don't have a problem with that. It's become synonymous, so it's fine. We still understand the same thing, but where do we find in scriptures who the church is? Pablo says the church are those Christians that do God's will, okay? What's the church? We haven't gotten it yet. We haven't, well, I'll take it back, we have, but I want some scriptures. Rolisanto says the church did not replace Israel. We are found upon the true believing Israel, okay? And we're going to look at a passage that a lot of folks bring up. This is in Romans 11 about being grafted in and so forth, and so that we become Israel. And there's just something that's, have you ever seen something that's sticking out and you didn't pay attention to it? Then when someone directs your attention to it, oh, I didn't see that. And so I'm going to do that in Romans 11. I'm going to do that in Romans 11 to show you that you don't want to point to Romans 11 to say that we are Israel, that we've replaced the church because of this ingratitude and so forth. I want to point something out. And it's in the English. You don't have to go to the Greek to see it. So I want you all to see that. But let's talk about this. Jesus makes a statement. He asked those Gentiles, those disciples, he asked, who do you say I am? Who does man say that I am? Now, after we've heard what they said, and they're all incorrect, who do you say I am? And they say, in my bold and brave, King James Version voice, thou art the Christ. I don't know why I like saying it that way because it seems like there's something powerful in him saying that, thou art the Christ. And so he says, I say to you that you are Peter. And upon this rock, not Peter, but on this rock, this confession, this statement, I will build my church. He says, notice what he says, verse 17 says, blessed are you Simon Barjona or Simon, son of John because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you. But my father who was in heaven did so. And so he says upon that profession that I will build my church, the Ecclesian, and the gates of hell will not overpower it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatever you buy on earth shall have already been bound in heaven. Whatever you lose on earth shall already been loosed in heaven. So upon that profession that he is the Christ, then that's how and what he's gonna build his church off of. Question, did Israel make that profession? Well, at that time, no. And we're gonna see that there is a clear distinction between Israel and the church, okay? We're not trying to become Israel. That's not, the goal is not to become Israel. That's never been the goal. The goal is to become part of the body, his assembly. Now he says he makes a promise though, he makes a promise because some people think that, well, are there two peoples of God? There's Israel and then there's the Gentile, the church. No, there are not two peoples of God because even those who are Israel, they're not really his people if they don't have faith in him. And that's always been the case. If you don't have faith in him, you're not his. Whether it was before the covenant, during the old covenant or now, if you don't have faith in God, if you don't trust in him and follow him, you are not his. That's just the fact. And then even with us as Gentiles, if we don't have faith in Christ, then we are not, we are not his. So his people are those who follow him. Those people, his people are those who have the Holy Spirit, who have the Son. If you've got the Son, you've got life. You've got the Spirit, you've got the Son, you've got life. So whether you're a Gentile, you have to have that. But notice what he says in John chapter 10, verse 16. He says, I have other sheep, which are not of this fold. I must bring them also and they will hear my voice and they will become one flock with one shepherd. Now, what is he speaking of? He's speaking of two groups. One, the Jews, and then the other group are the everybody else, whoever's not a Jew, which is obviously the vast majority of people on the planet and will also be the vast majority. Why? I assume the vast majority of believers will be those who are not Jewish. But he does still have a plan for Israel. I think sometimes we get hung up on the fact that we hear a lot of documentation, a lot of accounts, a lot of stories about Israel. And you know how it is. When you and I sit and watch a movie, this is just psychology. When we watch a movie, when we see something, don't we automatically or not automatically, in many cases, see ourselves in the role of the character? We can watch a show and then we can imagine ourselves being this character. I'm that character. I'm that person. I'm the right, we do that. Even more so in the Bible. What's the famous phrase that Matt challenged? You're not David. We, it's what we call, we talk about iso-jesus and exo-jesus, then we have narso-jesus, what we wanna read ourselves into the scriptures. We want to make ourselves part of the main characters. We wanna be in their lives and so what we wanna do is we wanna make ourselves out to be like David. So any promises for David or Solomon or Samson or you name the character, we naturally introduce ourselves into it. We make ourselves to be what we see. And I understand that because we want the blessings of God, but how many of you all know that the blessings of God are not just limited to the characters in the Bible? The blessings of God don't have to be written on the pages in order for you to get, in order for you to receive them. You are not blessed because, or I'm sorry, you are not not blessed. You are, how do I put this? You are not unblessed. You are not cursed because your names weren't written in the pages because there's no story about you or your descendants aren't spoken of. The Jews are written up vividly so that we can have a pattern of what to do and what not to do. Are you guys with me? And so we don't have to be bother upset because us Gentiles or our descendants aren't found in it. So what? That's not the point. That is not the point. It's not like you're gonna have a, you know what, the Jews are gonna have a better spot and have anything we will. No, that won't be the case. That won't be the case. Now I'm gonna come to, and I'll take your questions. As a matter of fact, if you do have a question regarding this, only regarding this guy is not about tongues or salvation or anything else. But if you've got a question about this, put a giant cue or, I guess it's not a giant cue, but a cue or question in front of it and then we will cover that. And so if you think there's a passage that you say, you know what? Yeah, Corey, this passage proves that the church in Israel are the same war or the church has replaced Israel. So go ahead and let me know. We will cover that, but it is my contention. It is my contention that you can't find one passage that says that the church has replaced Israel or that the church is the new Israel. The church is the spiritual Israel. The church becomes Israel. There is no such passage. None. And so we don't wanna be narcissists. We don't want to be those that will read ourselves into the passage. We don't have to. We simply don't have to. God loves you enough. You know how much God loves you? All these writings about Israel are in the book and God has given them a spirit of stupor, a partial hardening in order to bring you in. That should make you feel good. If you're looking for something to make you feel good, that should make you feel good. I guess this is incomplete as Corey Jesus said he took the kingdom, A, I don't know you're telling me where he took the kingdom away. We're gonna go to that passage. We're gonna look at that passage and we're gonna see. We're gonna look at that passage because there are those that say that, hey, he took the kingdom away from them. All right. And those are gonna bring up, but didn't he divorce Israel? Okay. What must we do? Now, I want you to say something. I wanna show you something. Or I'm gonna say something. I've looked at those, we've covered those passages before. So this isn't anything new, okay? So we're gonna go to those passages in a second, but what I asked you guys to do, and this what we also have a tendency of doing. And the whole point of this guys isn't so much about Israel and so forth because whether we think we are the new Israel or not, doesn't matter. We have to place our faith in Christ. We can be wrong about that and still enjoy heaven to its fullest. But what I want us to get in the habit of doing is utilizing the scriptures properly reading. So I asked the question, what is the church? Who is the church? Well, here's what he says. The church is Ephesians 1, 22, and he put all things under subjection, under his feet, and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who feels all in all. So what is the church? The church is the body. What is the body? The body is made up of those, as Paul says in 1 Corinthians 12. 1 Corinthians 12 tells us who the body is. All of those that have been baptized into the spirit. John says, I baptized you with water, but he says not many days. Henceforth, he's gonna come one who's miter than me. He's preferred before me because he was before me. He won't baptize you in water. He will baptize you in the, in or with the Holy Spirit. So that being the case, anybody who has been baptized into the Holy Spirit is part of the body. The identifying mark of the body or of a Christian is the Holy Spirit. If you, according to Romans 8, if you don't have the spirit, you don't have Christ, you're not part of the body, okay? So a Christian or a part of the body or the church is anyone that has placed their faith in Christ and they have the Holy Spirit in them. So now the question is, is that Israel? No, that's not Israel. Are there some Jews that have done so? Sure, the very first Christians were Jewish, but by and large, is that Israel? No, it's not. No, it's not. Israel is to become part of the body. The body is not to become part of Israel, okay? Now, Cephas Rock says, Corey, I get what you're saying. Replacement theology is unbiblical. However, what is biblical is that we have been grafted in with Israel. Okay, grafted into what? Have we been grafted into Israel? So let's go to that passage. Let's go to Romans chapter 11. Now, we don't really have to read the entirety of it. You know what? Let's go ahead and do that. Let's go ahead and do that, because I think it's important to go ahead and look at it. So let's start in Romans 11. What then? What Israel is seeking, it is not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it and the rest were hardened. So what Israel was seeking has not obtained, but those who were chosen, those who what? Those Jews who were chosen obtained it, but the rest were hardened. The rest of who? The rest of Jews were hardened. Just as is written, God gave them a spirit of stupor. Who did God give a spirit of stupor? The church? No. Israel, the Jews. Let's follow along, guys. Eyes to see. I'm sorry, eyes to see not and ears to hear not. Down to this very day. And David says, Let their table become a snare and a trap and a stumbling block and a retribution to them. Let their eyes be darkened to see not and bend their backs forever. I say then, they did not stumble. So as to follow today, who's the they? Who's the they? Yes, ma'am. The they is, where's it at? The they is Israel. Did Israel, is Israel stumbling complete? Paul says, may it never be. So Israel did not fall forever. He says, but by their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to do what? To make them jealous. Who's the they that God is making jealous? Who's the they that us Gentiles are making jealous? The they are the Jews, Israel. God is going to make Israel jealous, because again, he's the one that told Israel, because you have gone after other gods and idols, I will make you jealous with who? With a people who are not a people, with a nation or a foolish nation. And so us Gentiles, the church, us believers, not just any Gentile. He's not, he doesn't mean any old Gentile. He means those that are part of the body, those that are in Christ. So we are going to make the Jews jealous. We're going to make Israel jealous. How do we know we're talking about Israel? Because Paul introduced this in chapter 9, and he's going to carry this through to 10 and 11 about his concern with Israel. Are you guys with me? So going back to it, we're going to make them jealous. Now, if they're who's there at the Jews, transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles. How much more will their fulfillment be? But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. So I'm talking to you Gentiles about what's happening with the Jews. And as much then as I am an apostle to Gentiles, I magnify my ministry. If somehow I might move to jealousy, my fellow countrymen and save some of them. Again, we're trying to save some of the Jews, Israel. If the first piece of dough is holy, then the lump is also. And if the root is holy, the branches are too. Remember this term that I have highlighted. It's the Greek word Clydoi, which is branches. Now let's go back to it. Remember this, but if some of the branches were broken off, if some of the branches were broken off. Let me say that again. If some of the branches were broken off. And you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partakers with them of the rich root of the olive tree. Do not be arrogant toward the branches. But if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who support the root, but the root supports you. Question, because we keep bringing up, we keep bringing up, we keep bringing up being grafted in. Question, going back to the passage, I want to, now I just read it and I read it, I read it fairly slow. I read it fairly slow. What is Israel? What are the Jews? Are the Jews branches or are they the root? I've just asked a question. I want to see, especially those that disagree, are the Jews, is Israel the branch or is Israel the root? Let's move, let's move deliberately and slowly. Are the Jews, is Israel the branch? Is Israel a branch? Branches or are they roots? They're branches. Israel, branches broken off, not the root, not the root, Israel is a branch. They're branches, branches were broken off. And then what, and then us as Gentiles being grafted into, were we grafted into branches? No, we were not grafted into branches. Let's go back and read it again. We are being, we are grafted into the root. 69, how many trees? One tree, one root, one root. And I think guys get hung up on this because we, I think folks think that I'm trying to say that we have two different tracks of salvation or two different salvages or two different people. No, no, but Jesus said, I've got another two different flocks, Jews and Gentiles. But we are grafted not into a branch. Israel is a branch like Gentiles. The Jews are branches just like Gentiles are branches. One branch is not grafted into a branch. The branch is us, we are grafted into the root. Israel is not the root. Israel is not the root. So the church is anyone in Christ. Christ, God, that's the root. So what are we grafted into? Into Christ. Just like in order for Israel to be part of the body into Christ, they must place faith too. I don't care if your mother's name is Muhammad. I mean, if your mother's name is Muhammad, we got problems. If your father's name is Muhammad, if your father's name is Abraham, if your father's name is Charles or Hiram or Bob, I could care less. If you have not placed your faith in Christ, you are not part of the root. You must be, I'll go over, I'll go over 1 Peter 2. You must be, you must be part of the family. You must be part of the church. You must be part of the body. How does it happen? By placing your faith in Christ. So don't use Romans 11 to say, to use that to say that we have replaced or become part of Israel. No, we're not, there's no passage that says we've been grafted into Israel. We've been grafted into the root, which is Jesus. That, that's it. Now, does that make sense? Now, before we move forward, does anyone disagree? Because I said before you can see that, and we glance over, we just, we run past it. We, no, Christ is not Israel. We run right past it, but it's been saying this for several, for how long have we had the Bible? Where it's been saying that, using these terms, branches. Never, ever, ever does the Bible teach that branches were grafted into other branches. Jews are branched just like Gentiles. And branches were broken off from the root in order that Gentiles could be grafted into the root. So we're not grafted in Israel. Anyone, now not you guys, but we've got some larger teachers, famous teachers who say that. It's like, what are you looking at? And I'm not bothered with you guys. I'm bothered with the folks that actually teach. I'm talking about the people that are in seminaries or that are presidents of seminaries and are saying we've been grafted into Israel. No, we have not. No, we have not. Wait a minute, dawg, go on it. We got a Marquette Blair sitey. We got them, we got them. Listen, getting that whole gang back together. I'm feeling pretty good. So you're not grafted into Israel. You're grafted into the root. I could care less about Israel. Israel doesn't do anything for us. There's nothing about Israel that does anything for you, except the fact that the descendants of Israel, or one specifically, is going to be on the cross and die for us. As the Bible says, dealing with Abraham, in you or through you, all the families of the earth shall be blessed. So if God put a stupor over Israel, does that mean their disbelief is not their own choice? Well, yes and no. It wasn't their disbelief. They just never believed. So it's not that they used to believe and then God caused them to stop. They just never believed. They never believed and they already have a hardened state on their own. They were never going to believe. Because again, what we do know is that on our own, we are never going to keep consistently believing. We are never going to keep consistently believe. Go look at the history of the Old Testament. They didn't keep consistently believing absent something from God. Absent something from God. They didn't keep believing. God would do something, show up, do something. There'd be some sort of miracle. What have you? They did not keep believing. They have a prophet. They have these signs and wonders and so forth. We believe you now, God. But what do we have? We have something different. We have the Holy Spirit in us. So absent the Spirit, after your heart being changed, so he's not keeping them from believing. What he is not doing though, he's not causing them to believe like he's done with us. Are you with me? And I think that's a huge difference. So in terms of us being grafted in, we are not grafted in. Again, we are going to be called to be one flock. Again, there's not two peoples of God, but there are different flocks of God. As Jesus makes a point, he says, I have another flock and I'll make the two one, and I will be one shepherd to both the flocks. How I came to Christ is different than how Cherese came to Christ. How Cherese came to Christ is different than Cameron. How Cameron came to Christ is different than monkey moves. We all came to Christ in different ways. What we have on display is how Israel is going to come to Christ ultimately. Israel ultimately is going to come to Christ, but not all of Israel is Israel. Who is Israel? The true Israel are going to be those that place their faith in Christ, but not Gentile believers are part of Israel. They didn't say that. Okay. Now, the passage that was brought up was someone brought up Matthew 21-43. So, let's go to this passage. This passage says, therefore I say to you, this is Jesus speaking to, who we got to figure out who Jesus is speaking to. Okay, I'll mark it and I'll come back and answer that smooth artist. Give me a second. Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing the fruit of it. And he who fail falls on the stone will be broken to pieces, but to whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust. So the question is, the question is, is Jesus saying he's taken the kingdom away from Israel, from all of Israel? He couldn't be saying that. He couldn't be saying that. You know how, you know how we know he couldn't be saying that? Because if he said that, then when he says that, when he comes back and all of Israel is going to rejoice and they say, blessed is he who comes, comes to the name of the Lord. He's speaking about what Israel is going to say. And then Isaiah gives a prophecy. Isaiah gives a prophecy under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, says that at some point in time, Israel is going to look back and say, and call her, call her Messiah Jesus. They're going to say that he was bruised for our transgression. They're going to say those things. So Jesus could not be saying that he is taking the kingdom away from them. Who's he talking to? Well, this is what my old, my former mentor, my pastor, Dr. Bolt would say, Cory, just keep reading. So let's keep reading. He says, and he, I'm sorry, verse 45, when the chief priest and the Pharisees heard his parable, they understood that he was speaking about them. So who is the kingdom taken away from? These Pharisees, these chief priests, he's talking about them. When they sought to seize them, they fear the people because they considered him to be a prophet. That's who he's talking about. Sometimes, here's what happens a lot of times. And I'm only saying this not for the sake of this discussion, but I'm saying this for the sake of all the times that we go through the Bible and look at this. Oftentimes, our answers are right there in front of our face. Just like this whole issue of the branches, it's literally right there. We ignore branches and think that, hey, yeah, we're being, this is talking about Israel. We're going to become new Israel when it literally talking about branches and a root and Israel is described as a branch. And so even here, the kingdom is taken away from Israel. No, the kingdom is taken away from some people in Israel, namely these chief priests and Pharisees. And they themselves, and the writer of Matthew says that they understood that Jesus was talking about them. Are you with me, guys? Cameron, are you with me? Let me put my little, my little, on the screen. You all can even see, there's a way to fix this. There's a way to fix this because you all can see, I got three dislikes. I don't know who those three people are, what we're going to get you. I'm going to leave this up because I'm trying to see if I like this, if I'm filling the message on the screen. Why don't God call, why didn't God call Israel heart to believe? Why didn't he cause it? He, or he said call or cause, I guess probably the same thing. He will, he will. He is going to do so. But remember, he's causing our heart to believe. Remember, if you think that he is not going to do something with Israel, then we've got a problem because under the Old Testament, matter of fact, let's go back to this. Before I get to that passage, before I go to Ezekiel 36, which I think is just, the reason why we cover Ezekiel 36 a lot because Ezekiel 36 means something. By the way, did you all see those? I guess you all can see this. You all can see the same thing that I'm looking at too on the comments and reaction. So anyway, we'll go to Ezekiel 36 in a little bit because it's important. It makes a strong case for us and our salvation and so forth. It is vitally important for us to keep that in mind. But I want to go to Ezekiel 1660. And I want you to notice what's being said. Nevertheless, I will remember my covenant with you in the days of your youth and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you. God is stating, I will remember my covenant with you and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you. Who's the you with Israel? He says, then you will remember your ways and be ashamed when you receive your sisters, both your older and your younger. And I will give them to you as daughters, but not because of your covenant because you broke the covenant. But I will remember the covenant, my covenant. Thus I will establish my covenant with you and you shall know that I am the Lord. Now what is this? He says, I'm going to remember my covenant. What is what is he referring to in Ezekiel? Can anyone tell me which covenant is he referring to in Ezekiel? Which covenant? Let's put it back on the screen. Go back to verse 60. He says, nevertheless, I will remember my covenant with you in the days of your youth. Is there a Lululemon? Oh, you mean this? No, no. This cup right here. So is there a Lululemon cup? No, someone gave me this cup. I've got the armor of God on it. No, that's not that. No. And then I got Joey. If this is the cup you're talking about, this is Joey, my best friend from prison. Been with me since 2007. Toughest cup in the world. Most famous cup in the world. But which covenant is he talking about? He says, my covenant. What is my covenant? Amen. Thank you, Tina S. That's his covenant. Now, he says, your covenant you didn't keep. What's the your covenant, the old covenant, the Mosaic covenant? You didn't keep that covenant. You messed that covenant up. You messed that covenant up. But I'm going to remember, and why is he going to remember his covenant? Remember, God is a God that keeps his word, keeps his promise. God is not like us. What do you mean? What do you mean you said the church existed when the first sinner was saved? What do you mean? Oh, you mean you mean at Pentecost and so forth? Yeah. The founding of the church is the profession of faith, just like what Jesus said when Peter, upon this profession, upon this rock, that's what I'm building my church off of. And so he is the chief cornerstone. This chief cornerstone was also a stumbling stone for Israel. So we are not. Guys, I think you need to get that out of your mind. You need to say, you know what? Matter of fact, just be like the little engine that could. I think I can. I think I can. Instead of saying that and saying, I know I'm not. I know I'm not. I know I'm not Israel. I'm not Israel. I'm not Israel. I know I'm not. Even if you don't feel it, let me impart this to you like the people do in some of the demon slayers. Let me impart this to you. You're not Israel. And that's not a bad thing. I think people think that someone is talking about their mother when they say, I'm not Israel. No, you're not Israel. Why would you want to be Israel? Israel is going to face them. For some people that want to be Israel, you guys tend to stay a long way away from Israel. I noticed none of you guys are boarding planes. They head on over to the to the to Israel. I noticed you guys aren't trying to go over. Remember, let's go to Deuteronomy 30, shall we? Let's go to Deuteronomy 30. Uh-oh. Deuteronomy 30. Let's put on the screen. So it shall be when all of these things have come upon you, the blessings and the curses which I have set before you, and call them to mind in all nations where the Lord your God has banished you, and you return to the Lord and obey him with all your heart and soul, according to all that I commanded you today, you and your sons and the Lord your God will restore you from captivity and have compassion on you and will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth from there the Lord your God will gather you and from there he will bring you back. The Lord your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed and you shall possess it, and he will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. And he says moreover, the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants to love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul so that you may live. Now, who's he talking about? He's speaking about Israel. So where is it, where does Israel have to be before he circumcised their heart in Israel? So who's in Israel? Well, Israel, all of the Jews that he's speaking of, no. But he says the first thing he's going to do before he deals with their heart is put them back in the land. So if you guys want to be Israel, get over there. If you really want to be, someone get the black Hebrew Israelites on the phone for me. Get them on the phone so we can get together a collection, get them some plane tickets so they can head to Israel too. Let Hamas and all the Muslims who are after the Jews let them know. Isn't it funny though? These people want to be, listen, they are so Jewish until the terrorists come. They are the Jews of Jews. We're the real Jews until the terrorists come. Really? Hey, you're a Jew? No, no, no, no, no, no. So I think they're funny. I think they're funny. I think they are hilarious. They can go over there and make a nice living. You can make it. Listen, Israel is not a third-world country. You can make a lot of money. You can live well over there and you can be at your home, but they won't do that. You won't be there. You said we all have this. No, we don't have the same hermeneutics. No, we don't have the same hermeneutics. No, we do not. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. No, we do not. No, they read into things. They make, no, we absolutely do not. But now I have a consistent, I haven't stopped the way I've read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. And so let me get this straight. 1689, do you believe we are Israel? Matter of fact, again, who all type yes if you believe that we are Israel? I just want to see. Type yes if you believe that we are Israel. I'd like to know. I'd like to know if you all believe that we are Israel. I think it's important to know. Again, there's no passage. Now, are there some passages that maybe you look at and you and you, you know, get some sort of inference from there? Well, if so, let's see. I'd like to see the passages where you get some sort of inference that we are Israel. Now, the distinction is this. We can never be Israel, but Israel can be part of the church because anybody who places their faith in Christ is part of the church. And we're saying nine. Anyone who places their faith in Christ is part of the church, is part of the body. But you can't, there's no way that you can become Jew or you can become Israel. That's not going to happen. And why do you want to? I'll never forget Professor Dr. Oh Lord, Dr. Cohn. This is when he and I were going back and forth. I used to be on the other side. I used to, I used to make these passages fit me. I used to make Romans nine, 10 and 11, so forth. I would read, I would read the same way. And Dr. Cohn, he would say something that was, it used to bother me and I thought about it. It's kind of, it's kind of funny. He would say, quit trying to hog in, in the Israel. Quit trying to hog in on their territory. So that was me. And that was me. You said define Israel. I believe everyone, let me read it right here. Everyone that has been saved has been saved by union to Christ, which means all sins are part of the body of Christ, aka the church. Exactly, that's not Israel. Israel can do so. Israel, Israel as a nation can place their faith in Christ. If all of them do, then all of them will be part of the body. Whoever, whoever in Israel places their faith in Christ as part of the church. But nobody in the church can become part of Israel. Now we might think we are, but we're just not. So let me look at some of these questions. By the way, Michael LeMay, thank you for the super chat. I appreciate you so much, sir. Okay, I already answered Roli Santos. What is my interpretation of Galatians 428? Well, hold on one second. I shall go look and see what my interpretation of Galatians 428 is. Uh-oh. Let's go to Galatians 428. And you, brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. What happens sometimes is we'll see like Isaac, and we'll think that we are like Isaac. No, we're not like Isaac. We're not Isaac. We're not in Isaac. But you, brethren, like Isaac was our children of promise. God had determined that Isaac will come. Not because of any sort of thing, that not because of Abraham's own doing, because of his own working, his own will, his own working caused Ishmael to be here. Lord Jesus, if Abraham had just stopped, this is one case where we can say, you should have never listened to your wife. You should have never listened to your wife, because now we've got Ishmael and his descendants. If you could just, just kept it tight and right, Abraham. But he didn't say that we're going to be like Isaac. He's saying like according to, and you, brethren, are just like Isaac. Just saying when Isaac was a child of promise are also children of promise. That necessarily means we shouldn't take this to mean that this is that we are genealogically or spiritually like him in the sense that we are descendants, that we are Israel. As a matter of fact, think about Isaac was not Israel. Neither was Abraham. Now his descendants are going to be that way. Jacob is, but as that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the spirit, kata, but not ek. The difference between kata and ek from the spirit or according to the spirit of the spirit, all of us that are in Christ or in the body are born ek of or from the spirit. Not according to, okay? Next question. Why is God using us to make Israel? Uh-oh. I'm sorry, Jonathan. Why is God using us to make Israel jealous? What's the point of jealousy? Because you have to like how God does things. God, they may, now the only person the only person that has a right to be jealous is God because no one, you can say, you know, I'm jealous of that person, but you have no real right because one, because you're a fallen, horrible person, just like the other person that you're jealous of. But God is a righteous God. No one could ever be in the place of God. And so for you to do that to God, that bothers him. So what is he going to do? I'm going to make you feel the same way. I'm going to make you jealous. I'm going to make you jealous. Here I am. I'm giving you these gifts. I'm giving you this place. And you thumb your nose at me. You turn your back on me. Now, so what does God say he's going to do? God in turn states that he is going to turn his back on Israel for a part time, for a short time. Matter of fact, let's go to Israel 54. Lately someone spoke or challenged what I said in Israel, in Israel, in Isaiah 54. Maybe I'll address that later. But because I think sometimes, again, we want to kind of move into Israel's territory. We don't have to look what God is saying in Isaiah. By the way, what is Isaiah speaking of? What is Isaiah's point? Who is Isaiah writing to? Isaiah is writing to Israel. He's prophesying to Israel about their coming beside. Then he speaks about this judgment that's going to come upon Israel and then their ultimate restoration. And so keeping that in mind, look what he says. Let's go to, let's start in verse 5. For your husband is Maker, speak Isaiah 54 verse 5. For your husband is your Maker, whose name is the Lord of hosts, and your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel, who is called the God of all earth. For the Lord has called you, like a wife forsaken and grieved in spirit, even like a wife of one who, I'm sorry, of one's youth when she is rejected. Remember that? When she is rejected says your God. For a brief moment I forsook you, but with great compassion I will gather you. In an outburst of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting loving kindness I will have compassion on you, says the Lord your Redeemer. Make that make sense if you're talking about the Gentiles. This is the problem that I have with so many of my wonderful brothers and sisters in the Lord. Let me ask you guys a question. Could this in any way shape form or fashion be referring to us as Gentiles? Is this referring to us as Gentiles? Someone help me out. I'm answering your question Jonathan. I'm just taking the long way to go about doing it. Does this refer, let me put it back on the screen. Let me put it back on the screen. He says, For the Lord has called you, like a wife forsaken and grieved in spirit, even like a wife of one's youth when she is rejected, says your God. For a brief moment I forsook you, but with great compassion I will gather you. Who's he speaking of? Gentiles or Israel? In an outburst of anger I hid my face from you for a moment. For a moment I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting loving kindness I will have compassion on you, says the Lord your Redeemer. Who's he speaking of? He's speaking of Israel. We cannot turn around and say, Well, no, we can apply that to us as well. We can apply that to us as well. Because people get by, let me just say this. And I'm not a dispensator, so I really am not. Do I share some agreements with dispensationalists? Sure I do. So do you. So do you. I'm not Lordship salvation, but do I share agreements with them? Sure. I'm not free grace. Do I share agreements with them? Yes, I'm not Calvinist, but do I share some agreements? I sure do. You do too. We all have a lot of things in common. So guys, someone says, Well, you have this dispensational way of looking at things. Well, first of all, the Bible actually does have different dispensations. If you reject that, then you are rejecting how the Bible is put together. And so because I have a dispensational hermeneutic, which you do too. Matter of fact, nine times out of 10, you have a dispensational hermeneutic. So my hermeneutic caused me to read things in a literal grammatical historical fashion. The way that you do too, the way that you read, when you guys read directions on cooking, you have a literal grammatical historical hermeneutic. What do you mean, Corey? What do you mean I have a literal grammatical historical hermeneutic? Because hermeneut didn't refer to just reading the Bibles or Holy Scriptures. It refers to how you read things. You know how I know so? Because when you read, let's say your baking a cake, it tells you exactly how much to put in. Do you, you, now you can guess and you can fudge a little bit, but you can't be too far off if it says, I'm just, I don't cook, so I might be messing up. But if it says to put in a half a stick of butter, and I said, you know what now, why not put a half a, a half a box of butter in? No, I'm going to be literal. I'm going to be grammatical because it says to do it this way. If I, and so even with a pinch, I understand what a pinch is. A pinch is not precise. So I'm still using a literal grammatical hermeneutic. And then I'm going to be historical. So when it tells me to put it in for this amount of time and then take it out and do this, and that's the historical fashion of it. We have a literal grammatical historical hermeneutic with everything else, including most of the Bible, including most of the Bible. Now I'm not telling you what your conclusion ought to be. I'm just telling you to be consistent. That says, can going back and forth with useless arguments be what the word talks about when we hear, do not argue. It could be. Here's what I do. There are some people I've said, yeah, I'm not going to have a discussion with. I'm not going to have a debate with. Why? Because I know it's not going anywhere. Now, what I used to do when I would have these discussions with the Muslims, if it's just me and a bunch of Muslims, I am not having this conversation with you. If it's me and a bunch of Hebrews, like I'm not having this conversation with you. But now let's say if there's a genuinely interested Christian who's trying to learn instead of their Bible, who's also listening, then I'll have the conversation not for the sake of the of the fool that I'm talking to, or I might be the fool, but for the sake of the person that's trying to grow and they can glean something from the argument. That's the reason why. And so there are sometimes and I guess wisdom is going to dictate if it's useless or not. If it's beneficial for someone else with an amen, because there's nothing that we talk about on in churches, on YouTube or Facebook. There's nothing that hadn't been talked about a million times already. But I can promise you this that there are a lot of people who have said, you know what? I see it now. You've changed my mind. So that happens. There are sometimes I say, you know what? I think I've had to readjust some positions. And so for that reason you do. Plus in some cases, it just not in some cases, in many cases, it just helps you in your strength. It helps you to kind of better solidify because what we want to do, you know the model, love it, learn it, live it. Well, the way we live it is how we convey it. The more that I study it and learn it and talk about it, the better I get it conveying it. So, but there are some times I say, you know what? There are a lot of times, you all don't realize how many times I say, you know what? I'm not whatever, whatever. There are some people that send me comments and just keep commenting like, I'm not having this conversation with you. Sorry. So it depends on as some debates are futile and useless. Some are you actually giving a defense? And so it's really up to you. It's really up to you. But from now and to the end of time, we're going to be having these same discussions because as long as there's someone that can get something from it, then the name in. But if nobody's getting anything from it and especially if you're getting frustrated and or it's causing you to sin or the other person, let it go. There's no discussion. Let it go. There's no discussion that's worth us sending over. So me, I have fun with it. I have fun with it. And I gain some greater insight and sometimes, yeah, is this right? Can I do it? Yeah, I think that's right. No, that's wrong. I have to check something. I've made some nuance changes as I deal with regeneration. So anyway, layman, he says, if they wanted to debate, I want all the smoke. You guys over there, you all have these four and five-hour discussions. So, but yeah, and listen, layman loves the word. Layman, Brother Charles loves the word. So he says, modern Israel isn't Israel. Can I tell you how you couldn't be further from the truth? First of all, what did God say Israel was going to be like? God says Israel is going to be just like what we see now with their hearts hardened, their backs turned on him. Yeah. So, Jews who are true Jews are going to have a partial hardened. A few are listening. The overwhelming majority are not. Oh, by the way, once Jesus, once hearts started being regenerated, they had to have been in the land because before he starts dealing with their hearts, they have to be back in the land. So that's necessary. So we cannot say that that's not them because guess what? Guess it doesn't matter what. Yeah, you're right. The baffle declaration, but it doesn't matter what God, what instrument God used. It doesn't matter what instrument God used to bring them there. He brought them there and he promised to do so. More questions. Romans 9, 6, and 7. Did I just cover that? Let me, I don't know if I did or didn't. Romans 9, 6, I think I did. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We already covered that. We already covered that. Okay, I just want to make sure we covered that. Oh, so anyway, so finishing up on Jonathan's question, why does God want to make Israel jealous? Again, God takes, remember what he says in Romans 8, he'll cause all these things, take and work with all these things for the good of those who love him. So he's going to do that to, so whatever happens he's doing for those that love him, he's going to cause to work for their good. But he's also going to cause things to work for those who he loves as well. For Israel, he still has a promise to keep with Israel. And just like they weren't going to or should not have rejected God and chosen a king, but did not God already determine that a king is going to come through that lineage? Well, how's that going to happen? As a result of their hard-heartedness and their rejection. And so fine, I'll use that. And just like they went after other guys, he went after other people. Was that always in God's plan? Was it always in God's plan to go and bring other people into the fold? Sure. We just didn't know in the initial how he was going to do so. But remember, Abraham is a father of one nation. Abraham is the father of one nation under groove. Getting down to, never mind, some of y'all don't even know what I'm talking about. But Abraham is the father of many nations or nations, people's plural. So because of that, we know initially that God has always intended for Gentiles to be part of this. And Paul brings that up. Did I go over 1 Peter 2.9? No, I did not, but I'll go over it right now. Because people bring it up also about them being a holy nation. Well, but you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who has called you out of darkness into marvelous life for you once were not a people, but now you are people of God. You had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. So that's kind of in keeping in tune with what he says he's going to do. I'm going to call a people who are not a people to become a people. I'm going to call a nation who was never a nation to become a nation, a foolish nation at that. And so all this is him is him fulfilling now. God never said he's only got one nation, but he chose Israel as that nation. It's the only nation, the only ethnic nation, the only named nation that God has promised to do something to us as a nation of Gentile believers. We're a hodgepodge of everybody else. We got folks that are from Germany, folks that are from Mexico, folks that are from Belize, folks that are from South Korea, some from North Korea. We got some folks from China. We got folks from the Democratic Republic of Congo. We got people from all over to form this nation. And he's going to take that nation of Israel also and put them into that nation so that the two can become one with one shepherd. And let me also say this. Thank you, Sean McDonald for the super chat, super sticker. Spider monkey. Thank you so much. John 15, 5 Jesus is divine and we are the branches. Amen. Amen. Because that's who we're raffin' into. Thank you, spider monkey. You're awesome. Thank you. Am I saying this right? How do I say this? Wait a second. Shanisha, Shanisha, Shanisha, Riley, if I'm saying that correct. Thank you for the super sticker. Tina, thank you also as well. Cameron. You know where I got the wit from? Are you with me? Is from my mentor, from my former pastor who would always, are you with me? Are you with me? I don't know. Just subconsciously it just stuck. I don't know why. I don't know why. Thank you, Jeff. He says, thank you for the continued fellowship with us and thank you for your family being here. Thank you for the mods and the chats. Thank you. Also, John 15, 1. It helps with discerning this topic among many others. Let's go to John 15, 1 then. Let's see what John 15, 1 says. Oh, yeah. That's what spider monkey brought up. Yeah, about the true vine. Do I believe, Eddie asks, do I believe the temple will be rebuilt? I think so. There's a prophecy in Micah. And now, I think it probably has a double meaning. You could say, but it seems to indicate that it has to be something later requiring a third temple to be built. But it could also just refer to the temple that was there when Jesus was there as well because it says the greater glory will be in this last temple. And so I think that it refers to the third temple, but it could have been the second. But I do believe there will be a third temple that will be rebuilt. Where are the other 11 tribes? Don't know. What do you mean the other 11 tribes? You mean, are you saying because there's only one tribe in Israel? What's in Israel is a makeup of all of them. We don't know who's been marrying who, who's been doing what with who because just like everybody else, just like everybody else, folks intermingle and marry all over. So Israel is a terrorist state. I'll leave that alone. The reason why I leave that alone because I'm not defending Israel. Israel, just like the Palestinians, by and large have not placed their faith in Christ. It's just that God has determined what he is going to do with that nation. And we don't have to like it, but we do have to believe what he says. His word is what he says. And so if he states that's what he's going to do, then that's what he is going to do. He is going to fulfill his promise that he made, that he made. They don't claim anybody about the Southern Kingdom. Well, first of all, Israel, when you, okay. The reason why they're called Jews is obviously because of the name of Judah. But as they were being scattered, as they were being taken into captivity, many from the Northern Kingdom came to the Southern Kingdom. And so they all became synonymous as Jews. And so what you had, because guess what? It was okay. Listen, all right, Mike, don't, that don't, that's, all right, Mike, you made your point. Don't say it again. Okay. Many, they became synonymous. And so it was okay for someone from the tribe of Dan to marry someone from the tribe of Judah, someone from the tribe of Judah to marry someone from Nathalie or Gad. So that's fine. That's fine. So they can intermingle, and they did, if they do this. But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in his name, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. So anyone that's born of God, anyone, George and Todd, becomes part of the church. And so guys, I, listen, what we won't see, what we will never see is a passage stating that Israel has become, has become, I mean, the church has become Israel. But wait a second, though. Israel was divorced. What happened was this guys, before Israel became a nation, again in 1488 and 14, 1488 in 1948, before Israel became a nation, again, many people were saying, wait a second, what happened to Israel? If, if God has a plan or a promise for Israel and they're not there, what did he mean? And this is what we do. We try to help God out. So he must mean this, by the way guys, this is where this became more popular. He must mean, he has to mean us, since we are the church and the church must be the new Israel. This is where this became popularized guys. But what did God show us? When he stated that Israel will be back in their land and he put them back in their land. And we think there was some other means, but God is always behind it. And so when people say that, that he divorced Israel in Jeremiah 3, he also comes back and says that he's going to bring them back in. So would you say, in Christ's 1,000 year reign, will those that are believers now become technically Israelites since we will belong? No, no, we will not technically, we will not technically become Israelites. Poorly said, tell us that in the Bible. Not there's some sort of further revelation that we'll get after that. Then, you know, however God wants to do it, but we don't have any scriptures to tell us that in the Bible. Yeah, I think people think that he did as well. There are a lot of folks, there are a lot of people who talked about what Israel was going to become, what's going to happen to Israel long before then. Sometimes we think that because we didn't see as many writings, because again, remember, most of church history, most of the writings of church history are dominated by the Catholic Church. And so we see a lot of that. But now, why is any of this important, Corey? We don't need to talk about this stuff. Well, here's why. This is why, because as we look through our examples, what tends to happen, and I'm, listen, I was guilty of this and may, who knows, maybe sometime I'll still be guilty if I don't know. You all tell me, but we'll take a passage and we'll make the passage out to be something that it's not because that's how I've been taught. That's what I was told. That's what I believe. I got to make it fit. And I don't want, I never want my hermeneutics or my exegesis. I don't want to read the Bible the way somebody like Benny Henry's the Bible. I don't want to read the Bible the way Jesse the planets reads the Bible. I don't want to read the Bible the way I need to buy them, read the Bible. No. I want to be loyal to the text and I want you to show me. I want to be able to see it. So does that mean, does that mean, Corey, you are hardheaded? Okay, fine. But I want you to show it to me. If it takes me five years to get what the truth is, but I get it the right way, then amen. But if you tell me what the answer is and I don't understand it, then that's how easy it will be for me to leave the truth. But if I know it, if I know how I got to this, you all remember we were taking math classes and you take a class, I mean you take a problem and you don't know what the answer is and you ask, hey, what's the answer number 24? Okay. You write it down, you got the answer right, but you have no idea. So here you are, you got in good grades, here comes the test. The test counts for most of your grades and you don't know how you got the answer right at the first place and so now you're going to fail. I want to know how I got to this. I want to be able to rightly divide the word of God. I want to know what it says. I want to, I don't want you telling me what the answer is. When someone says, well, Corey, you're always going into this and too much reading and too in-depth and that's what you should want. I want you to see what I'm reading so that you can say, yeah, I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong. Matter of fact, I just thought about this. I just thought about this. Tell that guy. Y'all tell that guy that made that video that disagreed with me. I had a minor disagree with me. Tell him I'm going to have to pick, take up his, I don't know what I'm going to do it. I don't know when I'll do it, but I'm sitting and look at this passage. I'm looking at this passage. The discussion was no weapon formed against Michelle Prosper and I said, that's not us. That came out of 54 that we read earlier. That's clearly about Israel. And so those are the things that I think that we take sometimes and you want it to be for us. So is he speaking, no weapon formed against me? Is that physically or is that spiritually? Well, first of all, how would they have taken? They would take them physically. Does it mean spiritually? Okay, well fine then. If you think it's spiritually, well then fine. Don't complain about anything ever. If someone steals your car, yeah, it ain't gonna prosper. He's talking, he's literally speaking physically to Israel and he's speaking of in the future, what's going to happen in the future, but we'll deal with that. We'll cover it later. We'll cover it later. Don't know when. Might be a week, might be a month. Might be, no, we'll be tomorrow. We'll not be tomorrow. But the whole point is we need to see how we read the Bible. Because guys, this is the time where many people, especially many in the church, do not read the Bible for themselves or they read the good parts of the Bible into everything. They want nothing but blessings. They want nothing but good things. And so just like a child who's never had to struggle when he gets older, he can't cope. We don't need to be Christians that can't cope. We don't need to be Christians that cannot rightly divide the Word or handle the Word of God. He literally gave us his Word so that we can survive in this world, that we can have faith and confidence in what he's doing. And if we don't have faith and confidence in his Word, then we won't have faith and confidence in our lives in him. We have been given these things so that we can know what God is doing to the extent that he's shown us, to the extent that he's told us. And we don't need someone. We don't need to be like everyone else being tossed back and forth by every wind of doctrine when someone just does one of these things over his wave their hand or blow on us or spit on us or whatever he's doing out there nowadays that we become tricked. See, I don't have a problem with people who disagree. I don't have a problem with a person who is free grace or Lord's salvation or Calvinist or Arminian or Provisionist or dispensational or wish dispensational. I don't have a problem with them as long as they're using the Bible to come to their conclusions. Why? Because on the way to your more important things, they're all going to be solid on that you must have your faith in Christ and all these other little things, these new revelations and so forth and sow a seed of a thousand dollars to get your million dollar blessing and so forth. They won't fall for that. They won't succumb to that because they are using the Word and taking the Word for what it says. They know how to read. And that's the whole point, guys. So that being the case, guys, I love you so much. I love you so much. Now I've got to get out of here. I've got to go see my daughter. We've been invited to some dinner and I've got to go there. And eat whatever they're serving. In the meantime, guys, be blessed. Read your Bible. Read your Bible. Study it, as Paul tells Timothy, to show yourself approved. If you like what you heard, do the YouTube thing and hit like. Subscribe. 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