 Sorry about that guys my internet connection gave out hopefully we can get Fletch back on and When he has time he'll come talk about the pre-98 But I'll wait a minute till people get back in Fucking stupid thing fucked up Instagram you suck you suck cock So yeah, no Yeah, it's it's it sucks Bakersfield internet sucks ass so hopefully we get archive back and He could talk about the pre-98 because he has he's a fucking wealth of info when it comes to Bubba's and oh Jesus wealth of info for a lot of strains a lot of the important strains in history and and Yeah, and if anybody starts trolling Fletcher, I'll boot you right the fuck away. I don't want to deal with that Root brothers pure Thai face-off root beer the root beer is really good Root beer is really good Comment on autoflower genetics real quick. They're useful for for people learning to breed because you can see so many generations really fast Maybe apartment growers, but I'm not a big grower of autoflowers H2o. I'm waiting for Fletcher Archive seeds to join in and he can comment on the pre-98 because he's uh, I want to make sure everything that gets Set about it is accurate Green crack. Yes, that's in the Appalachia Why would someone troll did My whole career I've been one of the biggest trolled people ever You're gonna pop any of skunk techs gear without a doubt me and skunk tech are doing a lot together So so keep watching Fletcher did not do green crack Fletcher did docy-dose and many other strains moon bow fucking He's done great work with the fate. There's so many so many I have I have a stand I bought to hold the fun up it but other than that you're just gonna be fucking Your arms gonna be tired if you don't have one of these things One eye. What's up brother? I? Always get questions about dog walker I'm gonna have you come on with me at one point we could talk about your dog walker Cuz I think that's the one people want to know about my dog walker didn't even sell that well So I think most people are referring to your dog walker, which I feel is superior to mine Whenever you're ready fledged The real deal face-off story again Fletcher's a guy for that. He was there you still have any silver pearl I have silver pearl weed of Brings only one smoke in it right now, so Crack walker crack walker is great I love it But a lot of people were buying dog walker wanted more chem dog type phenos and I use West Coast dog Which is not even a chem dog, you know So yeah You want the GMO root beer, but there's some There's the Root beer granola funk that that one's my favorite. I haven't tried the the root beer GMO But the root beer granola funk is my one of my favorite things. I've been smoking lately But when people talk about dog walker og that guy right there when I wreck that's the man That's the man behind the magic Much respect to my brother Madagascar vanilla bean. Yeah, that one West Coast dog Madagascar vanilla bean kind of for Madagascar See what else you got What are my preferred og's triangle Lupus headband, which is probably an og hybrid, but it's still very good. I love the Tokyo And and and Josh D's cut dragon's blood from buddy. I think it's from The blood sativa Hawaiian blood sativa, but that's that's about all I know about the dragon's blood Is that root beer by mean gene? Yes, it is that is mean jeans root beer It's pretty fucking rad gene did an amazing job on that line, man. It passes over black licorice, aniseed, turts. It's amazing There you go hetero see all that anger now. It's on its way Yeah, I'll leave us up to watch if lecture comes on is that a Daniel Cormier Avatar The 92 og that is floating around is different from the Josh D cut that I have and the Josh D cut I have came from resident long who was a part of that grow with be real. So Yeah There we go Bring it in mr. Fletcher So all your questions get ready to drop them Hey, what's going on? You finally find a place to put it Kind of I'm trying hold on a sec You look handsome as ever dude. I'm not I'm not very well set up for this social media shit It's okay. Yeah, so pre-98 Bubba is that what people? Yeah So in like oh four oh five I was on cannabis world And I got the green Bubba the purple Bubba both from Ken organ kid and then I had Shawbud who is 707 seed bank his Bubba kush cut they were all called Bubba Ken called the purple Fino, which was supposedly an s1 That some club owner in the in the Valley made Those really have a yielding made like club type nuggets with the rounded top. Yeah, the katsu Cut I As far as I know and I can't remember specifically but I'm pretty sure that was the cut that he sold to katsu Right and that was the green Fino and then Shawbud aka 707 seed bank his his Bubba cut was The pre-98 and so basically what happened is I had all three cuts I need to label them in my room so that I would could tell the difference or you know so I could Maintain mothers and know which one's which and it just got the name pre-98 because Shaw had Received the cutting in the in the winter of 97 98 so at the time it's like 2003 I'm like well it had to have been before 1998 because someone popped the seeds and has a clone by now already Pre-98 right that's how I got the name And that was like 2004 and then it was like three or four years later that swerve basically Appropriated the name for selling seeds That's pretty much all there is to it. So it wasn't anything special. It wasn't there wasn't anything crazy about it What was the difference between Shaw's and like the katsu? They all pretty much smelled the same the purple was like a little bit more purple smelling But still the Bubba with the incense and the like the smell in the air the same meaty smell The katsu they would all turn purple depending on how you grew them Yeah, right, so they're all phenotypically variable based on environment It was the green Fino was the katsu which It just tended to be green more often But if you overford it it didn't budget very big whatever it put out little tiny buds It turned purple at the end of flower with cold temperatures. No Not a major difference the pre-98 tended to be a little chunkier more often But still the same characteristics as the other two cuts. It would still Like basically what I call like big stem small bud Yeah, right where you've given it too much cow mag or it doesn't have a big enough root system for the size of pottets And whatever right? If you vet it looked just like most Bubba's if you veg them out really big they'll start actually producing pretty good That's fucking awesome dude. That was a lot of shit. I didn't even know about Bubba I'm glad you said that people are asking about the face-off story That would be fucking awesome to hear like straight from the mouth So the real og kushman the source genetics Chris Chris used to live up here in Seattle in 2000 and If I think he lived up here from like oh two to oh six. I met him in like oh four and He was growing the poison og at the time which was his bad seed Fino From bags that he had purchased in SoCal the face-off was another I think he had 12 seeds of face-off bag seeds the face-off was never actually a clone that was being grown It was just a moniker given to a certain batch of og that went through the Inland Empire back in like 99 or something like that I got six of the seeds I think four or five of them popped if I remember right the face-off number four is the cutting that I have right I popped it from seed So that's the only real face-off really I mean I think there's like four or five more seeds out there Chris gave some to Call classic seeds, but I don't think he ever popped them and I'd be surprised if they even popped now being 20 years old No, and I think Chris might have a couple more seeds of it, but that's about it That's pretty awesome. So like so I I bought the seeds. It was the number four Fino the number one two and three the number one was like It like the leaves turn purple it had more of like a in-between bubba and face-off kind of smell The number two was like this really short sativa Leaf looking thing, but it didn't stretch at all. It was almost like a dwarf plant, but it had really really thin blades The number three produced Like much larger bear colas was a little bit her me Which was one of the main reasons I didn't keep it and it pretty much smelled like your typical OG made with like a little bit Of a gummy bear funk. Oh, wow, and then the number four And that the number three and the number one kind of had that similar like gummy bear in between OG and bubba kind of smell the number three was more og Dom the number one was like It wasn't really bubba Dom. I would say but it was just kind of I Would call it blander, but you know it it wasn't anything particularly special and then the number four was The It's the it's that face-off smell like that really long-lasting lingering after flavor and real cushy flavor And the main reason I kept it too was its potency It's always potent like the first time I was smoking it I rolled up a joint and was driving to town and pick up some hydro gear This is like 2006 and I smoked that I started getting like light headed in the car And I was like all right. Oh, this thing's pretty potent probably And anybody that knows me knows I smoke a lot of herbs. So I Typically don't even comment on Potency at all because I'm smoking 20 or 50 different strains. Yeah a day You know between all the different kinds of hashes and whatever else so Now I'm interested in that I don't know a lot about other than probably Jason King's Canada by the dude the purple indica Yeah, it told me it's the the one clone that I don't know that I don't want Yeah, it's um It's super hard to work with I mean it's um It's a really old strain from up here in the Northwest everybody that like if you're around in the late 80s 90s and 2000 early 2000 smoking weed up here. You bought purple weed and it smelled like the purple indica It's like this really Really not well, it's not I mean it's pungent But it's like if you could think of what the perp what purple smells like a color This is everything that purple smells like And hold on a second. I'm gonna take a toke and then yeah, go ahead And I got the cut in 2003 it was the very first cut that I got basically that It didn't come with a name either So I got it from my friend who had gotten a medical card at the time, which was pretty hard to get And he had gotten the cut from some organ growers Had no idea what it was I was growing some 97 Dutch passion blueberry seeds at the time and I also had some Some other blueberry seeds, I can't remember what they were I think they're from Canada one of the Canadian blueberry crock. It's like yeah one of those, you know I can't think of the company names, but you know shit out of canvas culture magazine not like BCC depot, but like federation seeds all those guys I can't remember who it was that had like the blueberry the blueberry nl5 all that kind of stuff Do you ever try peak seeds? I do remember peak, but I think this was before peak I think this was God, I can't remember the name, but it'll come to me in a second But basically I was growing blueberry at the time and when you cut up clones of The purple indica it literally smells like berries kind of right had a very Berry-ish smell right from the beginning which is kind of that purple smell too and So I would I didn't know what it was right I just I just knew that like it kind of looked like the blueberry shit So I kind of like was calling it blueberry for a second. I hadn't even floured it yet So I didn't even know I was just like I don't know blueberry something or other By the time I finished the cut. I knew that it was one of the purple strains from up here So we had the UW perp Seattle perps the coma perps ultraviolet these were all basically the same phenos or Not the same phenos They were either Variations of the same variety or hybrids of the same variety right which is basically the old purple from up here And it was like pretty widespread and we knew that there was multiple different cuts because you could You could basically Like when you bought pounds of it you'd get some bags It all smelled like the purple indica or like ultraviolet or whatever But if you got the perps like from Tacoma it have like big 20 gram colas in it, right? Mm-hmm, and whenever you grew like or whenever you saw like ultraviolet nuggets They didn't ever have big nuggets and it was always small little ounce bags of shit Yeah, and when I grew out the the blueberry or the unknown cut. Yeah I Basically, I start I grew it a few times and I was like there's no way that this is the Tacoma perp cutting I don't know if it's the ultraviolet. I don't know if it's the UW perp I don't really know what cut it is because I don't have anything to reference it by In terms of other cuts, so I called it purple indica. Yeah, that was how I got its name, right? I got so it became PI, right? and Basically, you know, there never really was a purple indica up here as far as I know it was just the perps so And it's just a really really tight. It's not tiny. It's not like a door for anything, but it's a very tight inner node Yeah Afghani plant Pretty much anybody I know that's twice my age that's up here in Washington. They immediately can identify it as the old perp from up here Kindness cannabis. He's one of my buddies from back in the day. He remembers it really well, too and That's what the PI was and it's it's lower potency You know 15 to 18 percent and pretty much whatever you cross it to it reduces its potency So Yeah, and it's just hard to work with from from the perspective of trying to If trying to bring a new variety up to modern-day standards, it's you know, it's Sometimes you cross stuff in and it like like cookies for example You cross it into stuff and it makes it really frosty and purple which is what the market likes Yeah, you cross the PI and it makes it less frosty Dark purple and not quite as potent, but the funny thing is the potency is Is so subjective? Yeah Nowadays that like back then the purple indica we always called it shut up weed because anybody you'd load a bomb toke or whatever for They'd immediately just sit there and zone out So even though it always tested significantly was lower in potency than a lot of stuff It it definitely Would bring some people's bells sure sure that makes sense, dude, you know, I've noticed a lot of these Lower potency strains are coming around more now since since concentrates are much more in use and available Seems like they've gotten a renewed life in them Yeah a little bit, but I mean, you know lower potency means lower yields. Yeah as well, right? So I think a lot of people are just trying to Get as much paying for their buck especially from an economic perspective. Oh sure sure So what are you working on now? I think that's what a lot of people like to know about you What are you working on now? You make fucking amazing shit dosido? That's yours. It's hard to top dosido. I Mean, it's you know, it's it's all personal preference. I mean I'm actually gonna pop all my old seeds all everything from 10 or 15 years ago this next round right now. I'm remaking All the stock right of stuff. That's already I've already gone through and Then I'm just gonna I'm gonna go back to the drawing board. I'm tired of this shit I'm working on I can't wait to fucking see what you pull up through your collection. I can't even imagine Yeah, I'm I mean shit gets boring, you know to me And that's why people are like oh someone else made your shit before you could it's like dude I was working on trying to find something new not remaking shit just because people are asking for it So it's all personal preference, you know and what your motivation is and it's all about I mean Anybody can make your shit before you if they don't test it and release it, right? Like yeah, of course exactly If you're not gonna work it at all, I mean you can make it as fast as someone can sell it. Yeah, basically yeah, so You know dosido took a while to make and remake because it's The ogkb is like a type for her me that thing Hermes every which way you can possibly get so hybridizing into it You've got it at least search through the population and look for lower instances of those traits Yep, and anybody that's not or he doesn't even know about that obviously doesn't even probably grow their own fucking seeds, so Yeah Everybody's gonna be fucking bombing you about slurricating your story. It's up to you if you want to tell I mean dude, I so I can't make purple punch cross with dosido too. I don't get it Especially if it's a half your line in the thing Right. Well, I mean, yeah exactly and it's like well, you know if if people are mad about the name or whatever The the funniest shit is they're the ones complaining about patents on plants But what trade mark rights for naming shit? It's you know, you can't you can't have your cake and eat it, too You got to be one or the other because that's how patents and trademarks work. It's not It's I mean, you know, I think hypocrisy is the The a lot of people's motive so whatever it's fine. I mean miss education leads to it and it's all right It's what the world is nowadays. Yeah, that's very true What else you guys got for him any other questions that are fucking you got him sitting here. Don't ask fucking lame ass shit Yeah, who wants to talk about purple punch anyways, like seriously Let's talk about some fucking historical shit. Let's talk. You know, yeah HP 13 the most common Misinformation about it is that it's G 13 hash plan. I think most people think that because of fucking retards and haven't looked up anything Can you tell us about your experience with HP 13? It's not something many people talk about So I got the cut I think from Caleb. I think he was the one that got it first But I had seen it earlier for example like in you're talking about Jason King's cannibal earlier So the cannibal entry that was my herb The Trinity crossed with you dub that was herb that I had purchased that I showed this to Jason King at the 2002 Seattle hemp fest The dog shit that's in there that was us not the humble Outdoor pictures, but the pictures of the indoor that was my buddy cannabis reverend. Yeah through another glassblower friend of ours that grew it That was the dog shit entry that was in there The purple indica entry that was mine and then Scott Reach also reached out to Jason King and I think showed him pictures of it But that cut came from me. I gave Scott that back in the day And So the first time I saw HP 13 was in 2004 I went to stay with a friend of mine in Hana, right? And he's he was a dude another dude that was on cannabis world and He he invited me to come out to this party, right now I won't tell too much about the party even though they don't throw it anymore But it was basically a weed gathering party another another couple buddies of mine that currently live on Maui And it was basically like it was deep in the fucking jungle. It was Off a grid so there's there's no I mean they had power because it's like a multi-millionaires home That was this thing getting thrown at so they had refrigerators and all the nines, but it was actually an off-grid home and You know, they had like kava leaf blunts and fucking homemade kombucha and like homemade beer and all kinds of shit and Jason King also happened to be there. That was the first time I saw Mendo perps also. That was like 2004 I believe Yeah, it's 2004 and So HP 13 I'd heard about it Everybody had talked about it. I saw some jungle grown HP 13 that was grown deep in the jungle there And I thought it was swag. It was like but it was just poorly grown I thought it had a really unique smell, but it had like no stickiness to the resin the smell I had to really mash it up because it was that outdoor shit and But you could tell it had like a unique smell to it and then I eventually got the cut from CSI humble and I think that was probably around 2007 or 8 was the first time I got it from him and It's it was like it's a weird plant, you know, it's it's pretty leafy Very column their growth. She's like goes straight up Didn't branch very much small yield and definitely her meat on the bottoms. Oh, wow, and that's where like the P or the Fuck what did they call it? The the sour P which is a sourdino HP 13 cross That was all the same group of cats that did this Maui party every year back then and I still have some friends from those parties that that live all over and you know, they they remember the stuff one of the one of the most impressive examples that I remembered was the Jasmine Jack which came out of Eugene And that was it was real hazy smelling but at the time like in Seattle Hazy stuff was like where it was at. That's why the dog shit The Malawi Northern Lights haze that I made the NL haze f2s the pure Malawi gold that we had the Superbill all that shit was Was super that was like what was popular like I remember when I first got OG up here from Chris Nobody even gave a fuck people are like dude, whatever. That's just some indica bullshit. Whatever. Yeah, right They didn't even care couldn't get anything more for it. Nobody really even it was it was pointless Yeah, I just was growing it because I liked it, right? It wasn't you know, like an oath. Oh 30405 Oh, gee wasn't really that popular or known outside of Los Angeles. Yeah That's so dude I can't ever get anybody knowledgeable to combat comment on HP 13 and it seems like everybody who grows it or has grown It has different opinions on whether it's worth keeping whether it's worth growing But that's pretty fascinating dude, and I appreciate that yeah The people that I know it came from the people that Jason King saw it from originally the people that put it in the can of Bible Those dudes are from New York. It's from New York, right? It is from New York then for sure That's my understanding like I the the farthest back that I have any experience with it and the people that it came from They had a New York connection, and that's where that cut came from. Wow. Okay, cool Yeah, I've always wondered because you always see it in New York and Maui New York and yeah that's why they had the sourdough out there too, right at the same time that was all the same group of people and You know the scene was really small 15 20 years ago, especially Genetics seen back then because most people all they gave a shit about was just finding one good cut And running it till the wheels fall off. That was like the deal No one it didn't really matter what the strain name wasn't in those days because everything sold for great money Oh sure sure. I've seen him fucking growing in Maui growing fucking plants and trees and shit. It's fucking gnarly out there Yeah, that was how that HP 13 that I first saw was grown and it was garbage. It was pretty much garbage I mean that's I would be nice about it But it dudes trying trying shit in the jungle is impossible Yeah, exactly like I remember I would ship out a jar weed like I shipped out a jar of Albert Walker for that party in 2004 and literally as soon as I opened that jar my buddy's house that we'd got wet Yeah, you know, it was like cured perfectly and was like spongy with the with the crack as soon as you open the jars It turns into like jungle weed. Yeah, just drink that humidity Yeah, the human it's like 98% he may or 100% humidity. It's like raining basically so As soon as you open the jar it just takes it it takes it all on Fucking a are you doing any more dog shit work someone wants to know? I'm not doing any more DS work. It's just not popular enough. It's longer flowering. Um, I I'll play with it every once in a while. It's it's actually hard to hybridize. I saw rich in here earlier I also talking about the his dog Walker and The Scooby snacks shit that people like to make a big deal out of yeah, and like every rich and I have mutual friends I didn't do it as any intentional thing I was living in LA at the time had no idea that there was I didn't I don't even know this was 2012 So I don't even know if rich had made it or soul or given it to people or whatever. Yeah But literally I just made cookies crossed with fucking Cookies crossed the face off and I called it snoopy scoopie snacks and honestly it didn't even really sell very well And I didn't expect I had no idea until I moved back up to Seattle and Then started working with my buddy in Oregon Did I even know that there was a cut out there called snoopy sacks? So I mean Is that what the dog walker cuts called Scooby snacks? No dog Scooby snacks is dog Walker and forum cookies is my signature, right? I didn't know that either Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm you know for it just still in here. I'm sure he can uh He can tell everybody but yeah the dog walker, which is our Walker og I'm not I'm not sure who made that side of it Um and then that hybridized with chem 91 or chem 4. I can't remember if rich found out which one it is I think he ended up saying chem 4 is what he was told. Yeah. Yeah, so I think it was supposed to be chem 91 Ended up being chem 4. I personally prefer the flavor of chem 4. So yeah It makes even more sense why I like smoking dog walker. Here's my favorite question Yeah, are you going to breed any more land races? I Mean why are you gonna like a land race? Yeah, I mean why would I even try I'm gonna move to Antarctica and make the first Antarctic land race There you go Gotta ask the phone ones Yeah What else you guys got you tired yet fletch you good well I mean if this means I have to stop trying to Answer this shit with my fingers That would be helpful. I Mean I've so I've tried so for you know this mad I've tried for so many years to try to just keep the information correct But in it and it's just every year There's another guy that heard something about the ocean grown story from fucking paradise seeds mob John the biggest fucking scam or ever which can organ kid could come on here and tell everybody about That's the same fucking dude. That's Kai Lewis. Yeah tk1. That's him Right exactly. It's all him every story. He ever told was a lie I got so many stories about that guy because yeah, he lived in Portland and I fucking knew him personally Oh, you know him. Yeah, I knew him in real life. Yeah, Wendy. I want to say Man that dude would like I don't even know if he had a wife really You know it was a chick on meth that used to fucking smoke meth with them. That's what I know Dude, he used to have like like stripper hooker whores and shit around all the time Like he had a whole that dude. It was a problem. You know, I made him cry once But he was he was how I ended up meeting Ken though, right? I believe that yeah Because he was selling Ken seeds at the time, right? Yep, I believe that's West Coast dog Say it again West Coast dog was that a John creation? Yeah, no that came from Ken also Yeah West Coast dog so So John used to basically find medical patients and get them to make seeds for that seeds for him He'd take the seeds and not pay him anything. Oh, yeah So he had a couple buddies that were down here in I Do know Ken who are not Ken Westfall. That's not who we're talking about but Ken Ken doe who's the guy that's posting there. He's also in our circle of friends But not the huh. Is your friend a kendo? Yeah, I know kendo. Yeah, he's old school, too But this this someone's asking if it's kendo that I'm talking about the answer is no This is totally different shit. Yeah, and So John used to get these guys one of the dude's name was diamond Who's the guy that's responsible for the Udub cut? Yeah, that's on the long line. It's not Udub First first of all It's it was a nice hash plant, but it had no smell of any Udub I ever bought buying pounds out of Udub There's many different strings that came out Udub But none of them I ever saw was that one so there's diamond in his buddy Jim right and Ken Ken remembers all these guys, too And so Ken gave those dudes the cuts and I got those cuts from them and that was like the sour og the ogres The the cutting that ended up being called the smelly it all that shit I want to know personally about who named banana og it was a cut of ogres, right or ogres Ken named all that Ken named and selected all that okay He he had gotten Sagramartha's 6040 seeds as freebies with shit that he had ordered from gypsy nirvana got you and He liked that and crossed it into the og and that's banana og it was freebie packs from gypsy It was just bulk like basically skunk number one hybrids Because that's what I mean I think Sam the skunk man was selling like millions of skunk one hybrids back in those days to all the seed distributor guys Yep, and they would all just like package it up and sell give it away as freebies or whatever it was, you know and Yeah, it was just that you know is that crossed with ogres and then Ken grew it So it was probably one of Sam's skunk one hybrids as the 6040 Based on the smell and and like the way the plant grows the fact that it washes well all that stuff Leads me to believe that it's probably Probably some skunk number one cross just like pretty much everything else that I've grown from that era from Amsterdam our buddy Nick Vitus is asking about NorCal cat this that's a Shawbud one right? Yeah, that's Shawbud's a high school weed from the early 90s And then the SoCal the SoCal cat piss is a cut that I got from This dude that used to go by the name Philly he used to run a lot of weight up here There's a lot of local people up in Seattle that will know who I'm talking about if they're around back then and he brought me Those I did a bunch of work for him and I actually heard that he's he was at the glass show like last year down in Vegas It was like a random connection. I might be actually have his phone number. I meant to hit him up, but You know, I haven't I haven't talked to the guy in a long time and he had some He had some issues. Let's just put it that way with the with the law So I you know, and I was really I was always really paranoid so So, you know, but but him and I Philly and I have some funny stories just like a shit that shit that happened I got I borrowed money from him to get started in my first spot when I bought my own first Oh, I had those Omega gardens that spin around the bulb and shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So I had borrowed some money from him to get going on that right and I end up with like three of those things Yeah, but so anyways, I did like some work for them and move some stuff and did whatever and They brought me a couple big mother plants straight from San Diego of that cut, right? And I remember just like cutting up like three. There was two. I never I've still this day probably haven't seen Plants this healthy They were just like six inch Rockwell blocks with mats of roots that were like three feet long, right? Yeah, like they were doing that where you cover with Panda film over top of the Tray. Yeah, it male. It's just like perfect white roots these things that just could you know been in the backseat And I probably took like 350 cuts off of Jesus those two plants, you know, they were like covered in clones Anybody that's grown that San Diego catfish cut Yeah I will know how branchy that thing is. I mean it puts off cuts like crazy So Anyways, that's how I got that cut. That's a legendary strain in San Diego along with the hods breath P91 and the bull rider. Do you ever come across the original bull rider? I never saw any of those other ones, man I only ever saw the catfish, right? Yeah, and it was like oh For that I got the catfish from Philly. Yeah And cannabis reverend the guy the dog my dog shit buddy and our other buddy I don't know if he wants to be caught So I'll ask him in the future if he wants everybody know who brought our brought our crew the dog shit But there's also the the farthest back that I know that the dog shit goes is My buddy down in Portland. I that owns five zero trees, right? They got it in 94 and supposedly it came from like Michigan. I think Michigan or miss And it was originally called electric boogaloo or something like that That's um, that's a story that my buddy that owns five zero trees Those group of stores down in Portland. They were the first ones that uh that got that cut That that I know of and that's where that's where they say it came from and uh your thoughts on trinity I only ever bought the herb from uh from Eugene. I didn't ever see like the um I didn't ever see the cut or know anybody that had the cut directly All I remember about it was really was that it had like a I saw a couple different phenos of it So who knows what the fuck I actually saw, right? But all of them were like very burnt rubber smelling Um, they weren't like skunk. They were like burnt rubber. Okay, um like that burnt rubber cushy afghani smell I I don't remember them tasting it. It was really well grown, but I don't remember it tasting um better than uh Then it smelled I remember being the opposite It's smelling really good and not really having a ton of flavor the the trinity cut that I've been smoking that uh Came through like that not-so-dog and those guys have and Caleb That one that wouldn't kind of taste to me like the old Elvis cut, which is real interesting I'm not sure if it is the old trinity or not, but I they're saying it is Yeah, I haven't I haven't seen it. So I really don't know. Um the uh Like I said the trinity that I remember all of them smelled like straight burnt rubber Afghani funk and it was pretty strong smelling But there was no sweetness at all to it. There was no fruitiness. There was no like Off smell. It was just basically burnt rubber I think if people confuse that anything that's not sweet, but that's funky with skunk Uh, I've been seeing that a lot lately anything. It's not fruity. They call skunk But I think it also has to do with like I know when I've stopped smoking for periods of months and stuff Everything smells way skunk here. Yeah Like oh g smells like skunk ken sour kush. That thing was fucking super skunky I mean like if you think gmo has that bad breath, whatever smell Ask ask ask about the original sour kush cut that um organ kid ken put out there that thing was fucking Ridiculous, right? I mean comparatively it shits on gmo in terms of that. Wow raw Palletosis og Fump, right? Yeah, that's which is totally different than the burnt rubber. I don't know. I mean it's just experience I think you have to have seen it to know the difference. Absolutely. Yeah, I think that's everything Too we got blue dot 707 seed bake he knows more about that than anybody I mean that was like a club cut that used to go through the third floor in oakland. That's all I remember about it um I've seen some blue dot over the years, but whether or not it was like um The blue dot that everybody talks about I have no clue right the one that I saw wasn't that impressive So it leads me to believe that either People are smoking bam or weed or I got the wrong I saw the wrong shit You never know Yeah, well, I mean I've been fooled before so yeah, I think all was having some point You got yeah, we're so instead something's really awesome and then you see it and you're just kind of like oh never mind Yeah Uh, let's see. What else you guys got the Maui Pog You familiar with it? I don't know anything about the Pog. Yeah, it's a hb 13 I want to say There there would have been that Maui dog or whatever it is. That's all I know about it. Yeah I mean, I've heard like a bunch of different stuff, but I've never really seen enough About it the Oregon pineapple someone said um I don't remember a whole lot. I just remember buying that herb. I remember seeing the pineapple ds I remember it reminding me of the Hawaiian indica shit that was going around Yeah, and that's what it rumored to be and I think that you know that Hawaiian indica line was like pretty popular there for a few years What uh, here's a good one and we can end with this. This thing's almost over. Um What what what project are you most proud of like looking back on on what you've done to this point? What are you most proud of? Oh man, I just won cog in the wheel like I'm not I just was preserving genetics because I thought it was important and at the time um A lot of other people were getting rid of everything because it was starting to become like a marketing game, right? It used to be able to grow dog shit and it still sell. In fact, it was the most in-demand product Yeah 10 years later. It was the opposite, right? Nobody wanted the long farm sativas and people didn't like smoking them anymore um It had become more of a marketing type of cannabis market than it was before, right? Yeah, and uh, so for me it's I I'm just happy that I was in the right place at the right time was able to get A lot of these really good cuts and kind of uh, put them all in one place And make sure that they they stuck around. I mean, that's it One more quick one, uh your collab the tie with uh, with uh with cossus Yeah, that was chris's brother's cut. Um, he lived in portland Chris gave me that cut uh when he I think when he moved back or actually I think I got it from his buddy up here a couple years after he moved back to la something like that And I I had uh, seated it up with the face off. I never sold seeds of it. Yeah, um But uh, I made seeds with it. I have albert walker face or albert walker manic crossed with That tie also. Um And I gave chris a handful of those seeds and he's he's gonna work it just Partly an homage to his brother that tie was really interesting. It definitely it was like, um It was like bubblegum and burnt onion or not burnt onion, but like uh, like a really strong cutting onion smell And uh bubblegum and like a little bit of the super silver haze Yeah, uh hazy back end, but not not really like when you smell it. You don't think haze. It's mostly that like a tropical Cut onion Type of smell so it's pretty unique then Oh, it's super new unique and it was it was stunk and I mean it did like the classic, uh, little Bananas all up the calyxes up the On the top colas when it finished up just like the milly too. Yep Well Hey, dude We actually did this Thank you so much for coming on and like educating everyone and and uh next time Hopefully there's a next time we could talk about like albert walker and shit. I know a lot of people want that so But uh, I appreciate it and and thank you so much And uh, thanks for everyone for asking awesome questions, too Nope later. Thanks lech lake All right guys, uh Thanks for stopping by that was fucking pretty epic that was a lot of info He packed on and uh He he's good at answering questions Uh, I've never seen anyone else be able to answer questions a rapid fire like that is not fucking easy And I know he doesn't often do that so much appreciated. I'll leave this one up I know a lot of people want me to leave it up so that they can uh So that they can see all this shit and uh go back and watch it. I think uh for history's sake Let's leave it up. So uh, yeah Watch it rewatch it learn this shit learn this shit learn this shit memorize it. Uh, that's that's how you that's how you learn, you know so Cheers guys