 It's up to us if we want to reunify, and I think that it happens on an individual level. One person says they want to connect with everything else, they have that opportunity. This episode is proudly sponsored by SIEMPO. Many of you watching have heard of Tristan Harris in the Center for Humane Technology. We've done many episodes on the perverse incentives around screen time and critically thinking about what balance truly maximizes our potential. SIEMPO built a new smartphone interface and browser extensions as the new home screen for humanity. They're out of crossroads looking for a new CEO to come in, or to partner with a larger organization that has the resources to bring this incredible technology to the world. They've built a high integrity foundation and are teed up for something wonderful. If interested, message the founder Andrew Dunn at andrew.co. More info is in the bio. Thanks everyone and enjoy the episode. Are we really all one? Well, I definitely believe that that answer is up to everyone. I personally feel connected to everyone. I'm almost driven by a sense of responsibility for my contribution to everyone. And that level or that path of thinking helps, it helps me. It's helped me understand the past. It helps me experience the present and not worry about the future. I could go on for hours. Whether it's science, whether it's spirituality, whether it's everybody's definition of common sense, people feel connections and you have to go with your feelings. I think ignoring your feelings is like cutting off some of your best resources for living and thriving. Absolutely. I love how you gave these two sides to the same coin, the science and the spirituality. Marrying those two seems like the most important, one of the most paramount things that we can possibly do to ensure an abundant and prosperous world and future. I want to ask you next about your feelings of interconnectedness. Has this been like feelings of the drop rejoining the ocean, unconditional love, deep present moment? Has this been around ego death, all these differences? Take us through some of your... That's a long story, but it started when I broke my back. I was on the treadmill, I was running, I was getting in shape for a half marathon, and I experienced a period of pain that I didn't have a lot of resources to combat with. I was denied surgery and pain meds were making me feel things I didn't enjoy feeling. It was actually like almost enraging me, and I noticed it because my wife was responding to it. So that's what sort of got me on this journey. And it's required a lot of self-reflection about essentially my behavior. And then I had to dig into why I was behaving certain ways, what triggered that. And that helped me understand how our subconscious makes 95% of our decisions, and that's driven by how we were raised and all the experiences we've had. So I've had to look back at each thing that sets me off and figure out what's the best way to combat that. And as I'm learning and understanding myself and understanding what other people have been through and understanding the connections between science and our bodies, it took me all the way back in history to the point where science didn't exist and everything was spiritual. And that's kind of where I saw how science took one route and spirituality took another. And going back to your topic of oneness, what we're at now is completely like, let's just call it specialized. And there's so many schools of thought that all come back to one if we decide that we want to take it all the way back there. So if we've brought all these schools and a few of the speakers are mentioning it, that more of the scientific disciplines need to communicate. And I think that once they start unifying and whoever starts to unify and trans tech is already doing it, but you start unifying that science and that spirituality, we're getting back to the way it was originally. Not that you have to commit to one thing, but that you can understand the whole thing. And then how about, do you think that our most upstream issue for the reason why we have so many of the issues in our world is the illusion of separation that we lack that interconnectedness? Yeah, I think... I mean, we can get into mythology if you want to. Yeah, take us. But there's this sort of... There's stories out there. Humanity has always been driven by stories. And stories are what help us connect to the world around us and to each other. And the stories that resonate the most with me are the ones that talk about how we were all one, like these ancient stories. Atlantis was like this myth that didn't exist. I grew up in South Carolina. It wasn't talked about at all. And then you start hearing these little stories here and there and it starts to add this curiosity. But if you dig deep enough like the information is out there and it will explain how there was this period where we were all one and we knew that we were all one. And then regardless of what religion you look into, there was this separation. And that separation is what's driven us to the direction or the place that we're in now. And it's up to us if we want to reunify. And I think that it happens on an individual level. When one person says they want to connect with everything else, they have that opportunity. So it's the priority of the drop rejoining the ocean that makes it so that the interconnectedness is able to thrive at the grand scale. The drop has to consciously go into the process of rejoining the ocean. Yeah. I guess we're all raintrops. We're all individual drops. And if you want to stay in the clouds and be separate from the ocean, that's up to you. But the journey is the fall from the cloud. And the ocean is that soft landing that says you're now where you were always supposed to be. Yeah. So I like that metaphor. Yeah, we've even went and talked about how the process of birth is when you start dropping as the raindrop and that when you die, that's when you join the ocean. But along the way, you have the ability to kind of add into the water cycle along the way if you can feel into it. If you choose those who feel it, know it, that style of process. I have so many other thoughts around this. But I do want to get into euphoria. I want to ask you about what you're working on now. How can we, and this actually kind of takes us into this process of trying to help people achieve the states of interconnectedness? Sure. Our approach, my approach was sort of what spawned euphoria. It was understanding that this is an emotional thing. Like I was raised to not express too many emotions and I had a lot to express. You can ask my friends that I grew up with, I was an emotional kid and that forced me to figure out how to balance it all. But dealing with all these injuries made me realize that I was suppressing it all. And if you don't mind reiterating your question because I was on a path and I don't want to get off of it. How specifically euphoria helps with interconnectedness? Sure. I wanted to understand that what I was going through was individual. As I'm understanding these things, I came home and I was giving my wife lectures on how everybody was supposed to be. And it was almost through those conversations that I realized that what I'm experiencing isn't what everybody else is experiencing. And so when I was using euphoria in its early stages I realized that I had the flexibility to not only customize this experience for myself but to let other people customize it for themselves. Everybody's had different experiences, everybody has different needs. And the one size fits all scenario doesn't work. It might work for a majority, it might work for a minority but I wanted to create something that was completely flexible. And I'm also understanding that not everybody's ready for infinite options, infinite opportunities. You might need to give them options to choose from. So the stage that we're at with euphoria is it's out there, it's available and people can use it as they want to. What we want to do is help more people have access to it. And when it comes to new forms of technology they might not gravitate to something that says, I can heal my emotions, what sound? Do I even need to worry about my emotions? Is that really a thing? But I am seeing correlations between emotions and behavior and then the health impacts of those choices that people make. So we want to euphoria to give lots of people ways to find their own solutions. And then how do you figure out what is my appropriate personalized binaural meditation solution, mindful solution? Well, I could ask you, what's bothering you? What's your emotional state? So you prompt me to answer questions, give the service about what's bothering me or what's my state? Sure, so when you open the app it'll ask you how do you want to feel? And so if you can answer that question then there's a whole host of emotions that you can choose. Bliss is the most popular one. Interesting. Yeah, and then the next phase is what personal attribute do you want to boost? Your ability to express yourself, boost your focus, boost your consciousness, boost your vigor, your vitality. These are all parts of yourselves that if you don't know how to get into them euphoria can help you connect with it. And then the more you do this, the more you realize just how in control you are, the less you'll actually need euphoria. So I wanted it to be, you know, a rainbow bridge of sorts. And then so then walk us through like if I do select bliss, like what am I prompted to do? So bliss, the way we see it is more of like a consciousness experience. And so, you know, there's lots of feelings that you get when you feel bliss. And my version of bliss might be different than your version of bliss. And of the, you know, 29,000 people who have downloaded euphoria so far, bliss is the most popular. But I think that everybody would have their own explanation of like how it feels. But it's always positive. And we designed you for you to only really include positive experiences. So that way people will recognize, do they feel good? If you feel good, then it's working. If something else makes you feel good, that's also working. But I wanted to make sure there were a lot less side effects. And with sound, you know, we're surrounded by sound and we're not even surrounded by healthy sound. So I really feel positive that this is healthier than a lot of things that are out there. And then walk us through what you do when I do select bliss or when any of the users that you're talking about do select bliss. Like what do I experience through euphoria? What does it take me into? So I'm going to use my mom as an example. So, you know, I watched my mom raise me and I watched her go into companies where she has had to carry the weight of other people's responsibilities. And so I've seen like her deal with stress. And for her, it might be more challenging to find happiness in different situations. But when I created euphoria and gave it to her, she chose bliss and she mixes it with her sleep. And so some people might want bliss in the office. Some people might want bliss while they're relaxing. She wants bliss while she sleeps. And when she wakes up, she actually feels like she just had a great day. She feels like she had a great sleep and she starts her day with this optimistic feeling that everything is fine. And you know, these illusions of why she's not happy, she's recognizing them now as illusions that she just needs to change her perspective on. And so you give me a binaural experience that then catalyzes states of bliss? Right, right. So the frequencies that we use, they're based on the Sulpheggio scale. And what's the scale called? Sulpheggio. That's how I pronounce it. I'm pretty sure it's Italian. Sulpheggio. Sulpheggio. So that scale was developed. And again, these Gregorian monks were singing these tones to reach these sort of emotional states that they preferred. And that particular frequency does trigger those types of emotions. And the binaural part is more about shifting into sleep mode or relaxation mode or meditation mode. That sort of physically gets you in your mind in the direction you want to go. The Sulpheggio tones are what trigger the different emotions. So just hearing a particular note in a song, like if you hear that high note, that might be the reason you love that song. When your favorite musician just hits it hard and you're like, yes, and you feel the connection between them, between you, like it's the right frequencies that seem, it's the right frequencies that our bodies respond to. And that bliss frequencies, it feels like magic. But now that we're understanding the science behind it and how it's triggering parts of your brain and body and releasing hormones, we can understand how we're responding to these tones. I like that example of why we even put on a jam in the first place is that we get to that moment where it's just triggering some sort of emotion or feeling for us that is profound and so important. And so we have different music for different ways we want to feel. And so I like then that you're able to identify what is, for me, a blissful song, maybe like a Sulpheggio scale, might be similar for a majority of people. It might be somewhat different for different people. Maybe some people don't necessarily resonate with this super blissful what you may think is. Maybe they want something that's super blissful that is only birds chirping and watered. Absolutely. Because if you look at, there was a study done where they compared the music that we listen to traditionally and how music is tuned. And the story behind that, you know, it's probably a good place to talk about it. It was established in Germany like in the, I think the 20s or 30s, 1930s. And that, you can fact check that by the way, but we decided to tune music to the scale of A equals 440. Now that was tested against the Sulpheggio scale where they chose a popular frequency of 528 Hertz. And you could see that the Sulpheggio tone had a greater impact on our emotions according to the test that they ran with the people in the trial. So nature has a more positive impact than the music we create because we're tuning to the wrong notes. So if we change the notes that we tend to, we don't need to stop listening to birds, but we're getting what the birds are offering. We're getting what nature is offering because, you know, their notes do resonate with us on a deeper level. And I think that's sort of like the cloud of sound that we live in, whether it's traffic or construction or, you know, poorly tuned music. Like all this stuff has a psychological impact on us, whether we realize it or not. Absolutely. Yeah, we were just talking about that a couple of days ago around this conversation about what aspects of a well-being today are actually lower than they were in the past. And this is very contrary into what so many people have been saying of today is the best time to be alive. It's like this drum that people are beating over and over again. Let's say positive. And yet, like you just described, we all know that our input stream that we constantly take in on a moment-to-moment basis being overly saturated with traffic, construction, all these things when you walk down in a metropolis makes us feel completely different. It makes me feel like I'm inside of the matrix. And then when I'm in nature and I'm deeply immersed in bird sounds, waterfalls, the leaves blowing in the wind. I mean, it's just game over. I feel like I'm interconnected beyond... Yeah, the matrix basically creates an environment of disconnection. And so I do think that that may be an aspect of our well-being that has actually decreased when we find ourselves in the matrix metropolis versus when we used to find ourselves more immersed deeply in nature. Yeah, I agree. And it's even the structure of buildings. There was a TED Talk on how sound can be used or how you can construct things to promote better use of sound. And straight walls are not it. Sound just bounces awkwardly off of it. And so in nature that doesn't happen probably because of its fractal nature. So what we need to consider is how we construct our buildings, our rooms, our cities, the machines that we use. I mean, there's all these studies about the elements that construction workers have because of the vibrations that they're surrounded by. And I don't know if that means changing what hammers are made out of or how gears grind or if we can augment the sound and vibration that these machines are giving off. So that is at least healthier and how they're doing their constructions. And beyond that, if we're creating places that are healthier for us to be in, I think that we're going to feel a lot better. Yeah. Yeah, this is paramount. It's that our built environments that we've chose to design are not conducive towards spiritual wholeness and well-being. They're more oriented towards something that is unnaturally, has a proclivity towards unnaturalness rather than something that's way more or less, like even just take into account basically every single building that we're in just that the idea of natural light is not even the first priority. The idea of having plants and water and animals inside is not even first priority. It's about square footage and about productivity and actually if you were to try and build things around productivity, you would have natural light, animals, plants, all those things as actually first because you would have a more productive. If you could basically walk into a building and have that building be basically like an office in the middle of the woods. Yeah. That was the exact idea that's popping into my head as you were discussing all of that. You just drive down this long driveway into the woods and the offices are under canopies and trees and animals are walking right through. I would love to work in that office. Let's build that office. Wow, that's such a game changer. Yeah, I love that. You're absolutely right. You're spot-on in my opinion. We're definitely on the same wavelength when it comes to the potential is out there and maybe that's why it's the best time to be alive right now because we have the resources to bring our ideas into fruition. It's just the past several thousand years of us thinking that one way is best and maybe that was the way we needed to get to this point. There's a lot of infrastructure built but it's hard for us to fix it because it wasn't the best infrastructure. So how do we augment the current infrastructure we have because it's probably way too expensive to knock everything down and rebuild it and that's why cities seem to bounce from place to place. That city worked for a while and now we need to build new cities and new places and new ways and see if they can last even longer. Yeah, I love it. I love it so much. We're literally talking about cities inside of the Redwoods, cities alongside the coastlines and not cities the way that we currently see beach towns and stuff like that but in the sense of very, very... What would it look like if you were to try and jump into mixing together what immediate return hunter gathering is with the computational modernity of today? That would be what I would love to see some mix between those two things like me being able to live in a very primordial environment but that still heavily has the ability to get interconnected into the internet grid as I please and being able to ebb between those is just... You literally garden during the day between your shifts on the internet and then at night you have a fire and look up at the cosmos without light pollution. These are game changing ways to build the future. Yeah, you're speaking my Shangri-La over here. We are, bro. But it's all possible and I think that giving the systems that we have right now I think that you could have a hackathon and talk about what's a new way to build an office in a remote place and I know my idea would be almost like a log cabin type open office space where it is that throwback cabin in the woods so you feel like it's rustic although I really don't want to cut down too many trees if we can avoid that but so there's new materials out there but it can look like whatever we want because now we know how to do that and we can find ways to do it safely and organically and again, if it's hard for each individual to be one with each other I think that individuals are finding that it's a lot easier to be one with nature and so if we put ourselves in nature and then say how can we make nature how can we optimize this environment for us without doing harm then, you know, we just got to look at what's worked in the past I mean, there's all these questions about 5G and like how safe is that Meanwhile, Tesla is putting electricity through the ground and I think that we should explore like is that safe for the environment like are plants thriving from this or what but we need to take a smart approach to it but you can, I mean, an on-off switch for the internet like in a remote place in the woods because you're passing electricity through the ground like to me that's just why not try it I want to know on the binaural beach side especially for those that aren't familiar walk us through what exactly that feels like what is that, how do you end up creating something that can auditorily stimulate states of consciousness Do you mean what does it feel like for me creating that or what does it feel like for the person listening Yeah, person listening I guess I've got to think about what is it like for me when I listen and what is like the science itself behind like a binaural beach Sure, so when it comes to binaural beats your brain vibrates essentially and it measurably vibrates at different bands of frequency and when you're asleep you're considered during delta stage when you're the next stop for relaxation and meditation that's like the theta range and so it goes up to alpha and gamma essentially the binaural beat part when that comes in is creating a vibration that your brain is going to sync up with so sympathetic vibration is what your brain does and the binaural beats create that energetic environment for your brain to figure out how do you want me to vibrate and so it just puts you there it puts your brain where your brain is used to being and so whether you're dealing with anxiety like yesterday I was all worried about the pitch that I had to give I've been thinking about it for weeks and I was trying to get into that mental place of knowing that everything is going to be fine and so I adjusted my binaural beats to be in relax mode and that relax mode that theta mode has so many benefits you learn better when you're relaxed Bless you Thank you you learn better your blood pressure drops your heart rate like slows and like all these things that are your body naturally does it's hard for you to force your brain to get you in that state unless you have some other tool to get you there now there's other tools out there I mean you could breathe, you can meditate you could just if you do yoga or maybe for other people it's running or exercise so there's this whole spectrum that gets you in that right state of mind but binaural beats allow you to just put on headphones and listen for 10 minutes and then it gets all those processes moving in that direction so it kind of catalyzes from the auditory centers of our nervous system these feelings of calmness, interconnectedness the decreases in blood pressure, heart rate sure it's essentially you're triggering your endocrine system the endocrine system right so when you're faced with something that stresses you out your natural response is going to be for your subconscious to use all your past experiences and decide what's the best approach for you so if you're allowing your subconscious to decide how you want to handle a situation how you want to handle a stress it might automatically just say like alright I'm scared of that let's release hormones that are designed to help us run from our problems and if those problems are always just chasing you you never get rid of that cycle of releasing negative stress related hormones from your sympathetic nervous system now you have a moment and that's sort of where I think that this zero point kind of is where you get to choose fight versus flight like I normally hear people say that it's fight or flight and that's just like one thing that you do like when you're scared but for me it's you know you can choose to run or you can choose to face it head on and when you choose to face something you start to activate your parasympathetic nervous system and that helps you calm down and helps you be in the moment to figure out what do you need to do to deal with the situation and I played basketball and so for me I correlate that to the zone and when you're in the zone you see everything, you feel everything everything feels natural, everything feels easy and there's just no stress now I played under a lot of stress so I didn't experience the zone very much but when you look at superstars they stay in the zone whether it comes naturally or they just know how to get there and so I see it So tech that triggers you into the zone Yeah, that was my... that was sort of a result of everything that I was doing I initially came to binaural beats because I was experiencing pain and didn't know how to deal with it and out of all those suggestions like more sleep, more relaxation and meditation, I needed help with meditation so I used binaural beats to get me into that meditative state of mind so I could experience the benefits and the hormones that get released and all the healing that happens but I was surprised when I found out that the healing was actually breaking down all these subconscious behaviors that were leading me into unhealthy decisions Yeah, that's so good That's my journey That's so good, yeah So as though once you do the tech that triggers us into these deeper interconnected states that this effect also happens where we heal some of the most deepest parts of our psyche through that and it ends up just butterfly affecting into the rest of our lives We don't get triggered as easily we are able to more quickly reach interconnected states on our own away from the tech as well It's profoundly a butterfly effect oriented I love how you put that I love that Use it as often as you want Yeah, this is good This is EuphoriaApp.com EuphoriaApp.com One more time EuphoriaApp.com We're there EuphoriaApp.com Everyone, check that out for sure and that's on both of the major platforms It's only on iOS Yeah, I have navigated the world of entrepreneurship and fundraising and dealing with existing industries and processes to go from my friends and family that understand and support and have been there for me and I wouldn't be here without them and they've allowed me to try to get the investment just to get it on Android and the other platforms and so we've actually had to take more of a business approach to figure out how to introduce this to more people and so we're trying to help corporations because of their motivations to reduce the stress and anxiety of their employees so they perform better and so if we can get corporations to create customized versions of Euphoria then that'll allow us to generate the revenue to build out the app so it's available for everybody on other platforms Yeah, that's another good one We were just talking to George from My Feel and he's doing the process of working with with insurance and medical and just diving right into 10,000 person companies and bringing the tech to them and I think that's a very interesting way to try and get transformative technologies into the world that's through the pitch to corporations on productivity but just in general at the same time while I'm saying that I'm going like no Alan, no like No what? Don't get your app into your transformative technology app I mean it's okay but I also just like Just say what's on your mind if it gets trapped in there you got more problems It's more like taking this to companies that are already doing destructive things just to get the people that are there to become more productive versus trying to just get those old archaic companies to die so we can build the new world but maybe bringing transformative technology and does awaken people more and then they decide that what they're doing is shit anyway so It's funny that corporations typically have this freedom to do things without worrying about consequences just from like a legal standpoint and so it's almost as if like you've got you know whether it's a toddler a baby a giant or whatever like that size corporation has never had to self reflect and it's not going to until the people inside self reflect and I think that you know any business that tries to do any business that's doing harm is setting itself up to sort of experience that corporate karma and so I think that by I think naturally as the people inside the companies start to change then the companies will start to change their motivations and they have so many resources to get things done that I think it's better for them to make those adjustments and provide for a better future or you know other companies are going to thrive and eventually replace because they're doing new things in new ways that are resonating with with the general population this phrase corporate karma that's such an interesting one am I the only somebody else has said that too I don't think I've heard corporate karma yet I like that that was good and the corporate karma is hopefully what gets us to awaken more I see that as well, I like that just couple quick questions on the way out do you think that humanity is a biological bootloader for digital superintelligence a biological bootloader like Neo like is humanity's purpose to build digital superintelligence like artificial general intelligence oh I think humanity's purpose is experience we can get back into the theory of one or feeling that oneness and the whole point of creation and that's just it the point is creation I think that if you look at spirituality on a dimensional level there are higher dimensions and we're at level 3 and we seem to have created level 2 with digital and virtual reality like sure these are like 40 experiences but we're experiencing through a 3D like body and so yeah I think that it's about creation but it needs to be creation with positive intent so yeah our body is essentially designed to carry like spiritual energy like I completely believe that and I think that that spiritual energy is what drives us to continue to want to create the purpose of creation being creation the becomingness, the becoming more alive yeah expressing itself uniquely yeah cause I have been expressing myself commonly like trying to like fit in, be normal and I didn't have that insight to be original until finally realized that not being original is harmful for you so everybody has to give what they give what they have and hopefully have a good time doing it and so long as intent is positive you know there shouldn't be a limit to what we're capable of yeah and what do you think is the most beautiful thing in creation well love is the easy answer I mean anything that can pull you, push you, drive you motivate you and how it works is incredible how it works is amazing how you feel you feel so much more when love is the awareness that you have um or I could say xbox no it's love I love video games and I think that they create an environment for new experiences and it allows your, for me it allows my mind to create my own what was that movie um Total Recall where you get to just go do something different for a little while you can get away from doing the same old same old and the more experiences you can create and that's what's great some of the real life experiences are like too expensive, too far away to meet people that have never left their city or their state like that's how I saw that there was so much more to the world and that's why I want to keep exploring it but you know in the meantime I can have like a little daily break yeah, yeah, yeah love an xbox I vibe, I vibe though because um this is made of atoms and the world of bits is just we can be gods in that world a little bit more, we are gods here too but it's just so cool to design virtual worlds and immerse ourselves in them and that kind of process I'm a huge, huge fan of but it can also be hard because then how much have you mastered the world of atoms prior to entering just the world of bits and then oh yeah, there's just way more for us to know and to explore and experiment on it's just a it's just a matter of resources and I think that you know the transformative technology community completely gets that and we come together and we provide our individual contributions and that grows into deeper understandings for how atoms work and and what we can do with them and I think that's going to transform how we live and it's going to clearly transform everything we create yeah, yeah um thank you so much for coming on the show Brandon this has been a blast I really appreciate it thank you for having me this has been awesome and uh I can't wait to see more I mean your conversations thanks brother I appreciate that thanks everyone for tuning in we greatly appreciate it we'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below on the episode let us know what you're thinking check out the links in the bio below to Brandon's work okay let me see if I can get this you for ea app app.com perfect perfect boom there we go there we go and then you got that in the bio check that out also um check out the links to transformative technology conference as well check out those links in the bio below to the community also um support the artists the entrepreneurs 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