 And this is your debut novel, and if you don't mind me saying, you're in your 60s, so you've come to the table rather late, but better late than never, Angie. That's what I say. Yeah. You were given a voucher for a writing class. Tell us about how it all unfolded and how it came about. Well, I suppose I had often thought that there was a particular story that should be told and having been the story about the Choctaw Indians donation to the Irish famine victims. So I must have mentioned that more than I thought at home because one Christmas my son gave me a voucher for a creative writing class and he said, you can go and tell that story now. So that's how it started. I was delighted with the voucher, but I was a bit worried that I was going to be the oldest person in the class and know a lot less than everybody else, but I went anyhow and I was the oldest person, but it really didn't matter because we were all there learning the same thing. So yeah, I was late to the game, but I'm very happy that I went. Yeah, I can imagine, and now with your first novel out, so you've obviously taken to it and I'm just looking at your career outside of writing and working at psychiatric hospital and also in a child and adolescent mental health service and a qualified librarian. That's quite a mix. Well, not really because the library that I was working in was supporting the staff and it was more about research into different types of psychiatric illnesses and there was a lot of research going on and still is ongoing and so there was also a section of the library that was for fiction, that was for fiction, so for staff and for patients who wanted to borrow a book. So it was a mix between the two things that worked very well. Let's get to your book now and I just want to outline the premise for listeners because it's 1912 and seven passengers on the Titanic who actually left when it came to shore in Queenstown or Cove as we now know it and in a way it's a lesser known fact and it's the last stop before it heads off, but soon after it does the body of a man who's linked to the ship is taken from the water murdered and there's a district inspector who's only lead to the identity of the killer is through the seven passengers who left the ship. It's a brilliant premise and seven passengers did leave the ship. It's absolutely seven passengers left the ship and I found that out when I went to the ship, if you don't mean you looked into this. Well, yeah, well, they had all intended to leave the ship. One of them was Father Francis Brown who was the photographer and so he left and went back to his uncle. There was a family of five called Odell slash May who were here on a motoring holiday. He would come to Ireland to do a motoring holiday and they were from London and the seventh passenger was a woman called Emily Nichols and the tour guide in the Titanic experience told us well, there's very little known about Emily Nichols and that piqued my interest and I started to do a bit of research to find out what was Emily Nichols doing getting off the ship at Cove and where did she go? And then you took a bit of artistic license with the story. Well, yes, I did. But and I based a character on Emily Nichols. So this is not the Emily Nichols story. This is just it uses some facts from her background and carries the four carries the story forward. And there's quite a mix there because it's in a way it's an historical panorama because you go from Ireland as the home rulers in the background and then, you know, Scotland, Yard and London and the story takes us over to China at one stage as well. Yes, it does. Yes. So quite the landscape. Yes, quite a bit of travelling in it and quite a bit of research had to go into what China looked like a hundred years, a hundred odd years ago and looking at what people had, how they travelled, all that sort of thing. So that took me a long time to figure out what it was. And it might be an unusual twist for a story, but yeah, well, it's whatever with the twist, just the the the the premise is brilliant. And of course, it's a great idea for a book as well, because just there is this fascination about the Titanic, isn't there? Absolutely. And it doesn't seem to get any less. There's been so many documentaries, films, books. I mean, you can't turn on the television without there being something about the Titanic. Even last night, there was a program about the Titanic on the television. So that wasn't the reason that I mean, knowing how popular the Titanic story is, wasn't the reason that I started writing the book. My initial interest was in that woman who got off and where did she go? So yeah, it was the Titanic is still hugely popular, hugely interesting. Well, it involves the character that's, you know, some of the real life story is based on, but it also involves this district inspector, Lorcan O'Dowd, who who isn't who is who's a bit skeptical about about who's actually charged then with the murder. I don't want to give too much away. Don't have any spoilers. No, I don't. And anyhow, it is it's it's it's it's out now. You launched it earlier this month, and it's called The Seventh Passenger. And is there is there another book, Angie, is there another book in the offering? Well, as a matter of fact, when I started that class, I started writing my first book and on foot of that pool bag press offered me a three book deal. So The Seventh Passenger is the second book and in that deal and there will be a third, definitely. OK, all right. This one's widely available. Absolutely in all bookshops. Well, I assume in many bookshops, big and small. All good bookshops. Yeah, yes, absolutely. All right. Take it out. It's called The Seventh Passenger. Angie, thanks a million for having a chat with us. Thanks, John. Appreciate it.