 Why don't we go ahead and get started. Thank you everyone for joining us for the Ward 5 NPA meeting. You have four of your five members of your current steering committee right now. I'm Ben Travers. We also have Lucia Campriolo, Shearston Baum, Andy Simon, our other steering committee member is Scott Pavek. Today happens to be his one-year wedding anniversary. One year ago today, they got married in the Forever Young Treehouse down at Oakledge Park. And so I'm hoping that they're out celebrating that. But maybe we'll get a chance to see him. Lucia, I know that you were planning on doing some sort of Zoom logistics for folks. So yeah, why don't you just go ahead and kick us off with that. Great. And they'll be very brief. Just a flag for folks who are with us last month, the configuration that you've been invited to join. And we're so happy to see and hear from so many of you is slightly different looking. And that's because we are fortunate to be using the city's Zoom platform courtesy of Sydney Hinkley and the CEDO team. So very grateful to them for providing this platform for us, which offers enhanced security, which is really important in these public meetings. So really the big difference is that, yes, as folks join, they will be muted. And Sydney will have the ability to support inviting people to participate in public forum with a couple of quick and easy maneuvers, including hand raising and or sending a fast email. So that's the biggest flag. And I'll turn it over to Sydney for a quick second to show you what that looks like. And then that's all for me. Thank you. I will. Here's how to provide public comments during the MPA. Feel free to email MPA at BurlingtonVT.gov or text MPA at BurlingtonVT.gov. I will be reviewing the email through the course of this if there are those who cannot raise their hand virtually or are calling in via phone. Feel free to text. But the easiest way is to raise your hand virtually, and we will unmute us, unmute you on our end, and you will be able to speak from then. And correct me if I'm wrong, Sydney, but I think the way that you can raise your hand virtually is if at the bottom of your screen you click Participants and then at the bottom of that, there should be a raise hand button. If someone wants to virtually raise their hand, is that right? So for attendees, it's actually, it looks just like the picture where those are the two options, raise hand or more. So it actually cuts down a few steps and clicking the buttons a little bit easier now. But yeah, you should be able to find raise hand at the bottom of your screen. Always feel free to email the email if you have any tech questions too. Perfect. Thanks so much, Sydney. Before we get to our public forum, this is our second virtual meeting. And at our first meeting, we introduced something new to our NPA, which was a musical introduction. And tonight we're really blessed to have with us our Ward 5 neighbor, Zoe Keating, to play us in. So Zoe, take it away. All right, I'm going to be playing, I've got a cello here and I have a bunch of electronics off the screen that you can't see. So it's live layered cello. This is a quasi-improvised piece that I wrote in Quito, Ecuador. Does he hear or not him? Can you guys hear it? And so it's a quasi-improvised piece and I feel like it's kind of about when you're not feeling well and then you start to gradually realize that maybe you can do it. And that feels like an appropriate thing for a meeting. Thank you, Zoe. That was awesome in the true sense of the word, really powerful and moving. So I don't know if you had something, sorry? It's an honor to be a part of it. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I just want, I don't want to cut you short. Was that all you had for us this evening or I just want to make sure? You guys have a lot to do. Okay. Well, that was really great, Zoe. Thank you so much for being a part of this meeting. Yeah. You know, admittedly that was perhaps more moving for me now than at normal times given that we've all been through these various crises that we're dealing with. So before we turn it over to public forum, I think we should take a moment to really recognize the couple of crises that we're all dealing with right now. First is of course our ongoing pandemic. When we had our meeting last month, we had representatives here from the Burlington Resource and Recovery Center. And what I would say to folks on the call right now is that if you or someone you know is still in need of assistance related to COVID-19, please check out the Burlington Resource and Recovery Center. They have been doing awesome work with the help of mutual aid organizations and community volunteers. So do not hesitate to reach out to them. I can vouch as well for COVID-19 testing in the state now being well up and running. I went and got my test today at the walkup clinic at UVM. And it was not at all as bad as people make it out to be. Didn't hurt at all. So if folks are interested in being tested, I know the state is asking for volunteers. You can sign up on the Vermont Department of Health webpage. And Sheristan, I know that you as well perhaps wanted to share a little bit of information with respect to the South End Community Food Pickup that's happening this Saturday on June 20th. If you wanna unmute yourself, I'd be happy to hear from you on that. Sure, thanks Ben. Yeah, just to mention Councillor Karen Paul shared with us that there is in the Champlain Elementary parking lot from 10 to 11 a.m. on Saturday, June 10th, a food pickup. They're doubling, there was a food pickup a couple of weeks ago and this weekend on Saturday, they're doubling the number of bags of groceries and gift cards and expanding the food staples that'll be in each of the grocery bags. There'll be masks as well to give out if anyone's in need of masks. And they've got great support, financial and in kind from City Market, Great Harvest Bread Company, Meyers Bagels, and Cheese Traders, and Shannon Jackson, Award Six President and the Vermont Director for Friends of Bernie Sanders. And if anyone is interested in donating to the event too, you could reach out directly to Karen Paul. Her email is K-P-A-U-L at BurlingtonVT.com. Thank you guys. Thanks, Sheristan. Again, before turning it to public comment, I think it's important that we also take a moment to acknowledge really the other crisis that we're dealing with, which is also a public health crisis, but it goes well beyond that, which is the movement for racial justice going on in our country right now. I use that word movement purposefully. I think this clearly is a movement and not just a moment. Black Lives Matter and systemic institutional racism, it's not just a global national issue. It's a Vermont issue. It's a Burlington issue. It's a Ward Five issue as well. And putting my moderator head on, I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here, but I would encourage all of us in whatever our walks of life happen to be, whether at work or through social groups or volunteer activities or with our families to think about and figure out how we can better listen to and elevate the individuals who make up our communities of color. I know in reaching out to our steering committee members here in the last few days or so that I can speak on their behalf when I say and acknowledge that there is work to be done within this very assembly with respect to these issues. Our disempowered neighbors have been historically underrepresented in attendance at our meetings and in our agendas. And so I will personally commit now and I believe I can commit the rest of the steering committee. And I hope I can commit our steering committee to be here, which will be an item here to discuss this evening, that we are going to work on that as an assembly. And for those other folks who are listening to me now, if you have any ideas that we can work on here as an NPA assembly, please do not hesitate to reach out to me and to your other steering committee members and let's join this movement as an NPA. With that said, I'll now turn it over to public comment. Sydney, have you received any emails or texts from folks who wanna take part in public comment? I have not. Okay. But also feel free to raise your hand. Yes, so this would be the opportunity to, if you want to make a comment, public comment, please use the raise hand feature at the bottom of your screen. We're looking at the attendee list and can see. Okay, I see Laurie Smith has his hand raised. Sydney, do you wanna take care of the unmute or will I take care of it? Okay, Laurie, I think you're unmuted now. I think I'm unmuted. Yes. The only question I had was, first of all, thank you guys so much for all you do. And Ben, for your sincere focus on the concerns of our times, which seemed to outweigh everything else that we deal with as trivial everyday things. My question is, will we be able to ask questions during the various phases of this or just during the public comment? Good question, Laurie. I've told all of our presenters to, well, we have two sort of business items tonight. We have an update from DPW and we have an update from Burton with respect to its conditional use application for its hub project in Queen City Park Road. We've told both these presenters to leave some time for some Q&A. Thank you. Okay. Any other public comments? Feel free to use the raise hand feature. I'm not getting a raise hand feature on my screen, but I would like to say something. Go ahead, Andy. I just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge and thank the outgoing steering committee members who are now leading the steering committee, Ashley Dembinsky and Mohamed Jafar. They've both been on the steering committee for a year, they've had this past year and have participated and added so much to the work of the steering committee with their creativity, with their humor and just with their work. And I just want to thank them for that service. Yeah, thanks, Andy, for folks here to know. I know that those of us around the steering committee gave them a little gift and acknowledgement for all their service here over the past year. And so we'll certainly miss them. But unless there's another public comment, that would be a good segue into our next agenda item. So I'll still leave public comment open. If anyone has anything to say, please use your raise hand feature. I see Caroline Bates has her hand raised. Caroline, I think you need to unmute yourself. I think you're, looks like you're still muted, Caroline, you're there. Is that working now? Yes, I can hear you now. All right, I want to thank all of the steering committee for all of the hard work you've done and to be creative about our work and to actually include the musicians and photographers. I really thank you for that. I'm going to suggest when we go through the Black Lives Matter that we try to get some panel together to talk because like people will say, well, we don't want to, we want to not fund the police and we want to fund this, but I don't understand behind the scenes of how much money or how you've changed funding or if we even should do that. So it's hard for me to answer or solicit information without having more people speak who represents some of the different very groups out here. I imagine we have some African American groups, I know, and perhaps some of the other people that are immigrants to this state. I know that the people right across from Burton have been very instrumental in hiring. People at Ted Castle at Rhino Foods, so he might be a good person to have come. So I'll let you sort of just make that decision, but I would like to have a panel discussion with people. Thanks, Carolyn. I think that's exactly the type of input that we're looking for and I'm sure we'll be looking to do that in the meetings to come. And we're looking forward to your photo presentation later on in the agenda. It's scary. Any other public comment? Okay, seeing no other raised hands, we'll now move to the next item on our agenda. According to our bylaws, we are supposed to select our steering committee at either our April or May meetings. But of course, looking at the calendar, it's June 16th now. I think for a lot of organizations, bylaws have somewhat gone to the wayside along with a lot of other norms in these coronavirus times we've all been living through. But we felt it important nonetheless, particularly with two of our steering committee members stepping aside for us to renew our ranks. And so we've put out a call to our neighbors to see who would be interested in joining the steering committee. All five of the individuals who I mentioned earlier, myself, Lucia, Andy, Sherston, and Scott, who again, I don't see him here yet, but he has very good reason not to be here with his wedding anniversary this evening, had all expressed interest in wanting to rejoin the steering committee. And then we heard from four other individuals as well who wanted to join, who I see here on the list of attendees and Jillian Kirby, Joe Derry, William or Billy Clark and Nate Lantieri. And again, speaking to just our bylaws here, our bylaws here technically contemplate a steering committee of no more than seven. But for a couple of reasons, we thought sort of why not open the door to everyone who is interested to join our steering committee. One is purely from a logistical perspective, the impossibility of running an election via Zoom. And the other is that a thought at least among us who are already on the steering committee that if folks are interested and are wanting to participate in this assembly on that level, why not invite them in to do so? And so while we'll present an opportunity here for certainly the new folks who wanna join to introduce themselves as well as to the other steering committee members to just say hello briefly, our intent here is to, when all is said and done, sort of present a slate to you all of at least nine individuals who would make up the steering committee for the coming year. So I suppose before we turn to each one individually to introduce themselves a little bit, I wanna make sure I turn to the assembly as a whole to see if anyone has any thoughts to the contrary on whether or not that's the right idea to proceed here with expanding our steering committee and inviting in all those who have expressed interest. Please raise your hand, use that function if you have any thoughts on that one way or another. Okay, I don't see any raised hands. The other order of business before sort of turning to people to give a very brief introduction here is if you're interested in joining the steering committee, we do take nominations from the floor and here the floor is obviously in a virtual format. And so if there are any nominations, again, I've mentioned the names of folks who we had received their interest beforehand, but if you are interested in joining the steering committee and our award five resident and have a nomination from the floor, please go ahead and raise your hand. Okay, I don't see any raised hands on that front. You know, again, I am interested in rejoining the steering committee. I feel like I've already introduced myself and in the interest of time, I suppose I'll start with the other folks who are already on the steering committee. Lucia, do you wanna take a moment again just to say hello? Sure, thanks so much, Ben. Hi, this is Lucia Campriolo. It's so nice to be here with you this evening. And I don't wanna take too much time, so I just wanna say thank you for the opportunity to serve as a steering committee member last year and going forward. It looks like I'll have the opportunity to continue that service and for that, I'm grateful. Look forward to seeing many of you over the course of the year. Thanks, Lucia. Andy, do you wanna take a moment to say hello? I think you're muted still, Andy. Okay. Hi, I'm Andy Steinman. I've served now two years on the steering committee. We'd like to continue for next year. And I feel the NPA is a really important institution in our city, a unique institution, an element of democracy in Burlington. And I'd like to continue to find ways to focus our little local assembly on these bigger issues of the climate emergency, systemic racism, and general issues of sort of inequality of resources that are so important right now to all of us. Thank you. Thanks, Andy. Sheristan, do you wanna take a little bit? Sure. My name's Sheristan Bohm. I live on Dunder Road. I've lived in the south end here for about five years and had the opportunity to serve the community on the steering committee of the NPA for about a year now. I'm a mom of two boys, two and five. I work for the Vermont Student Assistance Corporation, BSAC, during the day. So my background's in education. And I think those pieces, education and being a parent are things that I bring to sort of my hat on the steering committee. I've learned so much from the assembly and the other steering committee members. And I hope contributed a bit and like Lucia said, grateful for the opportunity to hopefully continue in this role and continue that learning. Thanks, Sheristan. Jillian, I think you've been promoted to a panelist. Are you able to unmute yourself and introduce yourself briefly? Yeah, hi. So I'm Jillian Kirby and my husband and son and I are actually celebrating four years today since we bought our house on Flinav. I've been living in the greater Burlington area for the better part of 18 years. And I just really believe in the NPAs as a powerful force for open and equitable and inclusive governance. And I'm a politics and history nerd and I love the history of NPAs. And I think it's one of the things that makes Burlington really unique and special. And yeah, even though I'm a mom of a four-year-old and I work and my husband works and there's no childcare anymore, this is a time commitment I'm really excited to make. Awesome, we're really excited that you're joining up, Jillian. Joe Derry, a former member of the steering committee, back with us again. Joe, do you want to take a second? Yeah, I'm looking forward to rejoining. I've been a Ward 5 neighbor for 17 years on Ferguson Avenue. And more recently, I've become a parent of two Champlain students in first and fifth grade soon. And so I'm really interested in what's going on with the schools usually. And we get to bring the school board in and bring members of employees of the school system in. And so I'm excited about doing that sort of a thing. Of course, we have lots of other concerns these days. One of them that Andy brought up is the, our city's attempts to address climate change as far as electrification, neighborhood, residential solar, those are things that I've been interested in for many years. So I like to keep the neighbors informed about what's going on. It's kind of enforced by the city charter or by the laws around development. But also, we like to see our elected officials and city employees accountable for things that are going on in the city. So I'm excited to continue that mission. And my career is in technology and typically I try to support or I try to support the NPA in that regard. So kind of expect to hopefully do that again for you guys and with you guys. Thanks, Joe. Billy Clark, do you want to take a minute? Absolutely, yeah. So I'm Billy Clark, I live on Locust Terrace, been back in Burlington now for almost two years, went to UVM and am very excited to come back here with my wife and my two young girls and a father of two, three year old and a one year old. So these are crazy times. And I want to be a part of the NPA to give back to this city that I love so much and to try to find a way to make it a more perfect place for them, for my children to grow up and make it to be more inclusive and more diverse and just the best place that it can be. So very excited to be having this opportunity if that comes around, which sounds like it may. So very excited. Thanks, Billy. Last but not least, Nate Lantieri. Yeah, thanks, Ben. And thanks everybody for coming and I'm really excited to be here. Been a Burlington resident for about five or six years now. And many of you may remember, ran for the Ward 5 City Council seat this past year. And even though that didn't quite work out, I'm really glad to be able to move into, in some ways, it's a really more exciting role. We think a lot about these really big issues of the day, climate change, racial justice, and so much of what we're looking at and how we're actually gonna make some progress is by getting in and talking to our neighbors, having those conversations that are easy and sometimes difficult. So really excited to be a part of this, really excited to continue doing this work to get this body to more people, get more people in this body. And yeah, basically just excited. And excited to, once we actually have the ability to meet back in person again, meet many of you in person and go from there. So thanks everybody. Thanks, Nate. And yes, just a few seconds on my own part, just to crib on what other people were saying here. Obviously, I live here in Ward 5. I live at the corner of Home Avenue and Pine Street. Unfortunately, one of the more heavily trafficked corners in the city, but we love our home and we're here with our family. And I have a five-year-old and a two-year-old who just went back to preschool this week. Thank goodness, but our five-year-old will be a Champlain student with yours and other folks here I know next year. And then again, I know that Scott was unable to join us this evening, but I suppose just a couple of words on his part. Scott has been an incredibly valuable voice on this steering committee. He was particularly integral in this steering committee over the last year, leaning into yet another public health crisis, which is the opioid epidemic that our community has been going through. This past, I think it was our February meeting. Scott organized a Narcan training that folks took part in. And so I'm really looking forward to him continuing to be a part of this group. So that's all nine. I suppose for formality's sake, we need to entertain a motion to approve of this nine-person steering committee. From our attendees, is there any ward five resident who'd be willing to raise their hand to so move the group of nine who were just mentioned as the steering committee? Any raised hands? Carolyn Bates, I see, raised her hand. Jesse Warren will use you as a second. And then again, I'll turn to the ward five residents who are attendees as well as the panelists here for all in favor of the motion here for the nine-person steering committee to raise their hand to voice their approval. Yeah, I'll raise my hand too. Any opposed? Please feel free to use the raise hand feature. Okay, it looks like the eyes have it. So we have our new steering committee of nine. Welcome to everyone for joining. For my logistical purpose, we don't need to deal with it now, but I think those of us who are rejoining will reach out to you all to figure out when we can first meet as our new steering committee. So this is great. Thank you. So now that takes us to the next part on the agenda, which is we have the Department of Public Works here with a south end construction update. Sydney, could you move in? I think it's probably DPW communications as a panelist. All right, who do we have here from DPW? Thanks, Ben. I was just moved over, I would have missed any rules or intro, but thanks everybody for having me. It's a real privilege to be here again and really appreciate that you folks have given us time, a couple of springs in a row. And it's really great to hear the music and just nice to see everybody considering everything. I think we've all gone through over the last few months. So I did wanna come give you a brief update on what is going on in the south end, a little bit of what's going on city-wide since I know we all travel all around the city. I'm gonna blow right through this presentation so there's as much time as possible for any questions you have. So if I spend too little time on any one subject, it's only to get through to the end and happy to talk any more about that at the end. Of this, if there's time, we're offline or whenever you folks, I have any questions. So I realized I need to share my screen and, all right. So we did start our construction season a little later than usual, not that much later. We were a little delayed obviously due to the ongoing response to COVID-19. Did get a start in early May. Usually we can kind of get off in April with some sidewalk work or possibly taking work. We do like to let folks know we were mindful when we were constructing our contracts and as we implement this work that public health as well as kind of financial risk management were paramount to the kind of early part of our planning right after COVID-19 presented itself and as we started standing up our construction season. So we won't get into the nitty-gritty details but there are some measures we took in the contract to kind of ensure that the city's financial interests were protected and also that we're sticking to the public health measures that A are in regulations and B as much of the best practice health protocols as possible are implemented, folks will be masked if they're interacting with you, the public and they'll be masked when they're uncertain. I think it's still six feet in a construction zone. We're trying to make sure that crews are as dispersed as possible. We did get an early start on Howard Street or not an early start, we did start on Howard Street when we were able to open up our construction season. That project, that new sidewalk is fully built. Really what we're here to talk about are some of the projects that fall under the sustainable infrastructure plan and then what we kind of call sustainable infrastructure plan phase two which is the clean water resiliency plan. The former really focuses on poor assets in our neighborhoods, streets, sidewalks, water mains. The latter really was being developed and then kind of quickened in light of the summer 2018 challenges of the wastewater treatment plan. That plan, the clean water resiliency plan addresses wastewater treatment plants, pump stations, the subterranean sewer and stormwater infrastructure and upgrades. I think I said this, but upgrades at all the wastewater treatment plants and we'll share a little bit more about that. We are doing another big year of sidewalk reconstruction essentially tripling the prior average before 2017 that we used to hit. So one of the more exciting things about this year is we heard a lot of community feedback. And last year, thanks to the mayor and council's support of some additional funding at the time, we were able to kind of take on more short run segments. We've heard a lot of feedback over the last year to that the sidewalk reconstruction program has truly been a benefit, except that we were focusing really on long runs, which are good because it keeps the condition of a sidewalk consistent. They're generally cheaper per linear foot to poor and reconstruct, but certainly if we're not able to get to as many of the problematic short runs that presents a challenge. So a lot more short runs are on the list this year. And we are also conducting a new sidewalk assessment, which we did last in 2014. We're doing again this year, best practice nationally tends to be about five to eight years. You want to redo that, take a look at what is deteriorated, what new sidewalks have kind of brought, you know, your network, you know, certain parts of the city back up to a better condition. Really want to reevaluate that and let that guide then the next couple of year work plan on the sidewalk. So that's an exciting part of what we'll be working on this year. You can see the long run list. Now, this is only the long run list that was planned for this year approved the council about a month ago at this point. There are two Ward five projects on that list. Unfortunately, due to timing and due to condition of the overall network, South Cove and Austin may actually slip to spring 2021. Just learned about that on the schedule fairly recently. So we wanted to be candid as we came here to let you know, you see those on the work plans there is a good chance they will fall in early 2020. You can see here the short run list. This is roughly what we think we'll be getting to mostly in 2020. Some of these I think have already been done. Some may slip or not slip, but some may have to be done in early 2021. We don't have the full schedule ironed out and we try to do as much of this with our in-house workforce as possible. And like I said, we do have a contract doing most of the larger runs of sidewalks. So I'm gonna keep going through this, but happy to share this list with anybody that wants to see it. We are doing another year of paving roughly in line with our normal average. We only really got one, two bids overall, one qualified bid on the paving side, still in line with an estimate we would have expected probably a little higher than we would have preferred. Due to that and due to the delay of a couple of water projects, which I'll talk about in a moment, we won't be doing kind of more than the normal average roughly, but we also did budget for a couple other things with our paving totals. As you can see there, Champlain Parkway Local Match and full depth reconstruction of Queen City Park Road included in the total, but a full depth reconstruction is a very expensive project. So that tends to, most of the other streets are mill and fill, which are still comprehensive repairs, full depth reconstruction, really you're digging down and rebuilding that road up. The 2020 list also approved the council about a month ago. You can see a couple things, a couple segments in or around word five. I highlighted a few for you. I think Howard Street might be really the only one that's now upcoming, which we're anticipating later in, I think it's early to mid-July at this point. We'll have more kind of more details on the schedules as they unfold as the year goes on. We did do some patching on Shelburne recently and some patching on Pine Street, just south of Home Ave. That section certainly deteriorated even more throughout the winter. I did mention water main upgrades, kind of first time, at least in known memory in the city, we've been proactively replacing or relining water mains. There have been some high profile incidences, such as our oil water, city wide advisory, and another south end oil water notice that happened in 2020. So it's brand 2019 actually. So it's pretty clear that our water mains are a challenge. They are very old and we've been doing quite a bit of work. We did have to delay that work at least for now during this year as that work often requires service disruptions or the need to enter people's houses. We didn't think right now in the middle of a pandemic was the most viable time to take those projects on. Mentioned the clean water resiliency plan, which was a plan that was being prepared. And then really, as I mentioned, hastened after the 2018 issues of the wastewater treatment plan. We do have most of these projects in line, ready to go for this year. I think the most pressing of all would be the upgrades at all three wastewater treatment plans on the disinfection side. I may recall about three weeks ago at this point, we did have another disinfection issue. Happy to talk more at length about that. I won't jump into the weeds unless you folks ask those questions. Did have an issue. That issue would have been addressed by these new upgrades. You may wonder why the upgrades are happening in 2020 when the vote that folks supported pretty overwhelmingly happened in 2018. These projects are being brought forward through the State Revolving Fund, which is a state administered funds from the EPA. Essentially it adds red tape, adds time, but it does keep the repair costs down and helps alleviate some of the debt burden that comes with taking on these projects. So we did want to be candid about that. Couple projects are going to be at least delayed this year, if not delayed for the full year. Again, mostly mostly related to the need to have service disruptions on the sewer side. And we just didn't think that was the right thing to do at this moment in the middle of a pandemic response. We have more work in the south end adjacent to Ward 5 over in Ward 6 on the green stormwater side. We'll be hosting some discussions. A lot of work concentrated in one neighborhood. Most of it is going to take the shape of rain gardens. We'll capture an enormous amount of the Pine Street CSO, the combined sewer overflow area. So it's a really, really vital project, but we want to work a little closely with the neighborhood on finishing that design as it'll require some on-screen space. We do have quite a bit of pedestrian work planned in Ward 5 in the south end. I'll just share this list really quickly. Five corners. We'll be continuing the work that we started last year as we rebuilt the sidewalk and then extended the crosswalk, which I don't think I've painted last year, across Winooski, and then completing that kind of overall redesign of that area with pedestrian signals at the five corners intersection and converting the rest of those bumpouts to permanent on the Howard Street and that Howard Street and St. Paul's side where it kind of narrows the crossing for pedestrians. We have a bunch of work on Locust currently underway two crosswalks with a couple other really important features and another crosswalk further. I messed this up for further west on Locust, at Locust and Locust. That project is being done separately from what is happening right now and that is planned for later in July. And then on Birchcliff, we will be scheduling a traffic calming meeting with the neighborhood shortly and we'll be making some more modifications to that raised intersection. Doesn't quite have that elevation that you'd want to really slow the speeds and we know that's really important to accomplish the streets. So we'll be getting to that just after the other Locust projects conclude. Some upcoming work, I'll just have you folks be mindful of. You may have seen some VT alerts about this or some front porch forums about Shelburne Street work. As part of the Shelburne Street roundabout project, which is scheduled for next year, V-Trans, which is mostly managing the project though we're a partner on it, we'll have a subcontractor in town. They're doing dig safe markings this week. Drilling subcontractor will come in week of the 29th, be here for about two to three weeks, likely to lead to some narrowing of traffic. So be mindful of that if you travel through that corridor, especially during peak times. If you can find an alternate route, which I know is tricky, but if you just plan for some extra time, hopefully it'll avoid any complications for your communities. And then Queen City Park Road, we'll be doing some exploratory drilling in mid-July in advance of that full depth reconstruction I mentioned, which is planned for later this fall. Flaggers, one way alternating traffic for that July work. And then we'll reevaluate what that means for the reconstruction project and communicate certainly with the neighborhood and adjacent neighbors. Quickly, transportation projects, South Winooski Avenue lane reconfiguration, which is pearl domain, which will reconfigure those lanes from two-way traffic center turning lane and then bike lanes in both directions. That is scheduled for fall 2020. Some North Winooski work, clearly away from work five, but I'll just mention it since the project delayed to 2021 due to COVID-19 and capacity issues. I'll leave the rest alone for now, but happy to talk more about transportation. Certainly very important to the overall network and safety of our residents. City Hall Park, just briefly a parks managed project that we co-managed with them scheduled to last until about October delayed due to the pandemic. So we did get started in mid-May at that point. And we just want to invite you to a public meeting on June 25th to talk about consolidated curbside collection. We did a study, did a survey about what it might mean, what it might look like for the residents if we combined entered into contracts with haulers and combined waste recycling and the organics which is pretty relevant right now with the upcoming food scraps law going into effect. Get a study. We want to talk to the public about this. Nothing is set at all in stone. And the study information about the meeting and other details are available on that URL which I'm happy to circulate. We definitely want to have you out there. If you can't attend, we know it's always challenging to attend ideas, it's really happy to set anything out of the branch or questions online. And that's all, a couple of resources available for you and just want to say again, thank you very much. We definitely appreciated being here again, thank you. Thanks, that was a great presentation. A lot of information there. We're running about 10 minutes behind but I want to make sure we're leaving sufficient time for questions. I see some hands raised there. Sydney, do you want to go to Sharon O'Neill first? I already went to Lori. All right, Lori first, sorry. Okay, thank you. I have two quick questions. The first one is regarding the Queen City Park Reconstruction. On the map, it seems to show that that is going from Home Avenue to Central Avenue. It does not seem to address the section of road from Central Avenue to the One Lane Bridge which is perhaps in the worst condition of the entire road. And I'm wondering what we can do to get that included in this project so that the whole road gets upgraded and we get relief from a pretty poor road down here. So you're asking how to fit the rest of that project Central to the One Lane Bridge into the project. Let me talk to our project manager. Certainly happy to follow up Lori with you and anybody else on this call who wants to know, I'm happy to circulate that. I don't know the exact answer. I know that that section was, my understanding was in the most challenging condition, I'm not aware of why the rest of that was left out. So be happy to follow up directly with you and anyone else who'd like to know. Okay, I hope that can be included. And the second piece to that question is regarding traffic calming. I don't live on Home Avenue, but I know a lot of folks that do and that they're incredibly frustrated with the amount of traffic on that street and wondering why the city doesn't do some traffic calming on that street to get the traffic to move on route seven and other roads so that they get some relief. Yeah, thank you for that. Certainly, I know that's a challenging area for neighbors with all the traffic it brings. Obviously there are projects, a big project in the Hopper that would hope to address alleviating some of the traffic in the south end, potentially the Champlain Parkway could bring those benefits. I hear your point. We have undergone kind of a reanalysis of how our traffic calming program works. Historically, it's been a first in, first out project which we don't really think has been serving anybody all that efficiently or well. We are taking, we always take traffic calming applications from neighbors, wanna get together, requires a certain level of neighborhood support. And as I said, we're reinvigorating that process such that it's gonna be way more data driven and I think allow us to make better decisions as to where the time and the resources go to installing traffic calming measures. So I'd encourage if neighbors are interested looking into that process, I'd be happy to connect you with our planning team. But yeah, thank you for that feedback. I know that's the noise, the traffic, the volume and the speed, it's always a challenge. Which will only get impacted by the higher ground project if that moves forward. Thank you. Yeah, thanks Laurie. Why don't we just knock out the, hopefully briefly the three other questions from the folks who have hands raised now. Sharon, can you unmute yourself? Yes, I did. Thanks so much for giving me a chance to ask two quick questions. One, the higher ground project was just mentioned. If that project does move forward, what would be the process or the plan to update the roads and sidewalks in that area to increase safety? Because I don't see that on any plan right now. And the second question I have is I live in Arthur Court, which is a little cul-de-sac right near that area. And our sidewalks are a mass, including like right in front of my house every year. The people who plow the sidewalks rip off huge chunks. And it's really bad. I have fallen or tripped on the sidewalks out here. Right now there's chunks of asphalt and a cone on it right in front of my house. And I know it's not a high traffic area, but it is our neighborhood. What's the process to get that? I talked to someone at the Department of Public Works yesterday and he was like, that's not fixed yet. I told them two years ago. So I'm just wondering what the process is because people do cut, it's our neighborhood, but also people do cut through to go to the bike path. Thank you. Thank you, Sharon. Absolutely. Sidewalks I think are top of mind for most people. And so let me just say quickly, I think the best thing anybody can do with any maintenance concern, especially a sidewalk concern is to go on C-Click Fix. If you're not familiar, we're not interested in the platform. You can call us 802-863-9094 or email us. Your concern, as much specific information as possible. Address, pictures, anything you think is relevant and that will get investigated and then added to our list. If it's truly urgent, we will fill things in whether it's shaving something down. We used to have a more aggressive sidewalk shaving program where if there were heaps of slabs, we could shave those down. We don't have that in place this year, mostly due to kind of funding and capacity. But if it's urgent, we will find a way to shave it down, fill it with concrete or asphalt is needed. And then for the longer- Could you give us two links again? You said it quickly. I didn't get it. Oh, absolutely. It's C-ClickFix.com. We'll get you there with some exploration but C-ClickFix.com backslashburlington underscore two will directly take you to the Burlington side of that. It's a third-party service, but we found it to be pretty efficient. So hopefully you can try that out. But you can also feel free to call us or email me directly and we can get that uploaded. We are doing more short runs right now. It sounds like maybe you have a short run you're bringing up. So we'd love to hear more about that. So thank you. That's the best way to do it, to report any concerns. And in terms of your other question, we are reconstructing that big stretch of Clean City Park Road. This year, I'm not aware of other plans in place, but certainly as they get developed and or as development changes around the city, we're always responding to what's gonna best serve people in the same place. So as of now, I can't say that I'm aware of any other plans. Thanks. We have a question from Bill Calphi, it looks like. Hi, y'all. Everybody here, Mary? Yes, thank you. Okay, just interested in the status of the bike path north of Hula connects kind of our part of the world to the center of the city. Yeah, thanks, William. That's mostly a parks managed project. And I'm aware there's ongoing work throughout most of this year. I don't have the exact timeline. Enjoyberlington.com with a little bit of investigation on that site, we'll get you to the most recent update. And I think parts just sent out a recent update if I'm not mistaken. So enjoyberlington.com, we'll get you there. If you can find my contact, it's R-G-O-U-L-D-I-N-G at berlingtonbt.gov, I can either help you find it and work with that team with some of the great folks at the parks department to give you more specific rundown on the timeline of that segment of the bike path. I will take one more question from Danny Weiss. Looks like you're still muted, Danny, if you could unmute yourself. Is that on, is that, can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you. Oh, awesome. I was wondering whether there are any projects that are coming up that you might not have mentioned. Is that typical? Because specifically, I live at the bottom of red, I live on in Red Rocks and on Austin Drive. You guys are probably aware of the markings that have been painted in there. There's a bicycle path going through and there's kind of like markings on the road that steer the traffic off rather than coming straight out of Red Rocks going, I guess it's north on Austin Drive. And I heard rumors that there would be stanchions put inside that area, which would make it dangerous for people exiting and entering at the same time, especially if a bicycle were to be coming around and perhaps pedestrians too. So I just kind of like wanted to know if that's on the agenda, because the neighborhood is particularly against this kind of installation, if that is. Yeah, thanks for the question, Danny. And that's a great point. In full disclosure, I'd say probably 95% of the main major projects were represented in some form here. There's some other projects, some sewer mains, which may happen, which I didn't really address. Possibly projects, crosswalks, things like that, that get added throughout the year. I am not aware of any infrastructure being added as you've described at this point. Again, I'd be happy to get back in touch with you personally if you wanted to email me or if we could connect it somehow. And I could put you right in touch with and we're getting an answer from our planning team to address the concerns. It sounds like many folks have concerns, so we don't like that when we can share info. So if we have something in the works or if we go either way, we'd like to kind of let sunlight be the best disinfectant here. So if there are concerns, we'd be happy to let you know what's planned or not planned and just give you some certainty. All right, great. And just to follow up with respect to future projects, I suppose I should acknowledge that, Rob, when you and I were talking, we actually sort of talked about sort of purposefully staying away from talking about the Champlain Parkway. I know that you recently provided a city council with an update on that, but we wanted to focus this evening on projects that are happening in the here and now or near future. But rest assured, if folks are on the call who are interested in updates on the Champlain Parkway, don't be surprised, Rob, if we invite you and your colleagues back to talk about it this fall. We're always willing to come back. There'll be a brand new website unveiled soon, which I think will be easier to navigate for folks, maps, documents, things like that. So eager to have you look at that. And anytime you guys want us back for any projects, happy to come back. Awesome. Well, thanks very much. Thank you everyone for your patience. Again, we're running about 20 minutes behind now or so, but it's one of the reasons why we shortened our regular two hour meeting to what it is tonight. We now have Justin Worthley here from Burton with an update on the hub project for Queen City Park Road. Has Justin been moved in as a panelist? Not yet. Okay, nice. That's what I was gonna ask. Hi, can you hear me? Yes, hi, Justin. Hi, I'm on two devices. I've got my screen on a second. So if I can, I don't know if you can allow me in on both my iPhone and my desktop, so I can share a presentation. I'm gonna just get started in sake of time. Hi everybody, this is Justin Worthley, Senior Vice President at Burton. I think this is our third time back talking to- Justin, I'm muted you. Yeah, it looks like we perhaps- I'm here. Okay, there you are, Justin. All right, go ahead. So, third time back talking about what's happening with our hub project. It's been an incredibly busy period of time since we were last with you on October 17th. I don't know if I'm gonna be able to share. I've been having all kinds of problems connecting to Zoom on my computer where I have my presentation. So I'm just gonna keep talking and if it starts working, I will go ahead and share. Justin, sorry to interrupt you, but just to confirm, do we have Justin's computer as a panelist if he wants to be able to share the screen or Justin, do you have a different login name on your computer so we can see it and promote it to a panelist or? Yeah, it should be Justin Worthley as- You got it. Coming from- Nice work. I just don't know how to share now. I don't see that option. Okay, go ahead. I just wanted to make sure that we had you as a panelist if possible. Yeah. I'm gonna just keep talking and just do this with audio. So really intent today is to share a little bit of background if anybody's new, has not heard what we're up to with what the hub project is. Share updates since we were last with the NPA, this NPA group on October 17th and talk about status with two permit applications that are in process. So the hub, I guess just a few facts about Burton. You know, we've been in Burlington since 1992. The company was started down in Southern Vermont by Jake Burton Carpenter in 77. We've been in Burlington since 92. First in what was 80 Industrial Parkway, now 180 Queen City Park Road. We purchased the building next door, which is now 266 Queen City Park Road in 2007. So in total, we have about 150,000 square feet with about 400 employees in the South end of Burlington. And about 40,000 square feet of the 266 building has been vacant since 2014. It's very raw sort of industrial space. And we from 2014 until 2018 explored a number of options to try to figure out what to do with that unfilled space. We looked at commercial industrial lease. We looked at the potential for housing. That was a hot topic in the city around the plan BTV South end. There was a lot of reaction around housing in the enterprise light manufacturing district. So that was essentially taken off the table. So in 2018, after we didn't find other options, we really started piecing together a vision for multi-use hub. So the idea here is to combine existing uses in the building that are really industrial manufacturing, R&D in nature, with other uses that would include the skate park, which is actually now open talent skate park, came back on the scene late last year. So they open, they had sort of a brief opening and COVID has not been helpful for their participants, but they are back running some camps down in the waterfront and on our site will be the summer, which is great. They're able to keep things moving along. The nonprofit that's closely associated with Burton, the Chill Foundation is on site. That'll have an expanded presence. And then we would be bringing in some other new uses that would be a food court. So multiple indoor sort of a food truck venue, essentially. You could think about it as an interior food truck type of marketplace. Our retail store with an expanded factory tour. We have an R&D center. We really want to promote our on the floor factory tour experience, make that more robust. And then also bring in the piece that I know a lot of you are thinking about. And we've been working really hard on a performing arts venue that would be operated by higher ground. So that is sort of the vision that we put together. And really the idea is that all these uses would complement each other and help sustain the industrial manufacturing uses in the building, which are actually required in the zoning ordinance now. 50% of the building has to be maintained for industrial manufacturing use. So that's sort of the background a little bit. Since we were with you in October, definitely a lot happening in the company and in our community. Certainly a big hit for us. We lost Jake, Jake died back in November. We're actually really committed to falling through with this vision of the hub. Really now more than ever is a way to honor him and his contributions to snow sports, to global culture, to Vermont. And really the hub is going to house really everything that Jake loves around obviously snowboarding and entertainment and recreation and fun. So we're certainly, it was a big loss when Jake died but really channeling some of that energy into making sure that his legacy lives on through the hub. COVID obviously we're all significantly impacted by that Burton and some of our project partners higher ground and talent have been super active in our local community. Sourcing, donating face masks and face shields from Burton. I assume many have heard about higher grounds venture out at the fairgrounds to stand up an entertainment venue. And then talent has actually been hosting some onsite blood drives. So nice to see our local partners rallying to support the local community. And really now this big focus on locally, nationally, globally around racial justice. And we've certainly been listening, learning, identifying how we can really make an impact within our organization. I know the same is true for higher ground. And in terms of the project itself, we've been very focused. So I guess one of the main things to say is, it's still, we're still for sure moving ahead our partners remain committed to making the hub vision come to life. We continue to hear a lot of support within the community. In fact, I think with the COVID situation, there's, we've had even stronger expressions of a desire to have a community place once we get on the other side of the pandemic. Especially with questions about whether some of our other local sort of smaller hubs or restaurants are convening places. There's real questions about how many of those will be able to make it through this challenging time. So we're certainly committed to bringing the vision to life. And we've spent literally hundreds of hours working on the planning in a huge amount of detail. So working with our project partners, we've engaged a number of consultants to help us city officials in Burlington, city officials in South Burlington. And there's been a very active, ongoing discussion with a group of neighbors formed a group called the CRZ or Citizens for Responsible Zoning. We've met with that group, I think at least five times since January, really talking through what is interplan, what are the questions, what are the concerns? How do we address those concerns in our application? And that's still ongoing. So we're continuing that dialogue with, there have been four members that have been the core representatives from that CRZ. And we have moved ahead. We've got, there's two applications. One actually was filed late last year, shortly after we came to this group in October. We filed a permit for parking lot and stormwater improvements that has some connection to the hub, but really is an independent project. It's driven by changes to Vermont stormwater laws, Act 64. So that permit was awarded by the zoning administrator that decisions was appealed and it was upheld by the full DRB. And there's still an appeal pending in front of the environmental court. So we're working to resolve that. That project, we're looking at an investment of somewhere between two to $3 million, basically just to get our parking lots compliant with storm model rules increase and then meet a lot of the other standards that are in place with the city around shade covering from trees, improved lighting and just better surface parking. And maybe I can now share my screen. Let me try this. All of a sudden, my thing just woke up here. So I'm talking. I guess that means that work then. So I was frozen. So I'm talking here about number one, this parking lot stormwater improvement project. So the appeal of that project is from the CRZ. We've been talking directly with them. Their appeal is really about the, not so much about the project and more about the decision-making process through the development review board. So that project is still ongoing, but really the main focus for us is the Performing Arts Center conditional use application. So Burlington zoning ordinance requires applicants to address anybody who wants to create a Performing Arts Center in the Enterprise Light Manufacturing District needs to address five conditional use criteria. And so that's required for a number of different types of projects, including Performing Arts Center, which higher ground would be considered a Performing Arts Center. So those five criteria include the two big ones are traffic and noise. So we've hired expert consultants to do traffic and noise studies. I'll bring up another slide that shows the little more information about that. We've also had extensive discussions with Burlington and South Burlington elected officials and staff that's included public works, planning and zoning, police departments of both cities as well as others, electric department, fire department to address various aspects of the ordinance criteria that we need to address and other questions and concerns have come up. So that's been a key part of really the work we've done over the last six plus months is lots of back and forth with us. The cities, as I mentioned, ongoing discussions with representatives of the Citizens for Responsible Zoning Group to address, also address the criteria of the conditional use section of the ordinance but also other questions and concerns really share more details about the project. And following all of that, we did file our application for the conditional use permit application on April 30th in the DRB hearing. The first hearing is scheduled in early July. So that's on our radar coming up. So part of what will be addressed there are really all these various aspects that have gone into the permit application, huge amount of preparation and details. So the traffic studies, we used a local firm VHB based in South Burlington to look at traffic impacts. They actually were required to do one study for city of Burlington roads. We also looked specifically at South Burlington since we're right on the border. The noise study completed by RSG of White River Junction looks at three sources of noise, one from the actual music itself as well as mechanical rooftop equipment. And probably the key thing here is cars and people departing at the end of a concert event. So those three have all been modeled to really look at how noise will occur based on expected activity. The conditional use application actually has very little to do with the design of the building. We are gonna make some changes to the facade. So that is part of the conditional use criteria that we're addressing, but no interior design is part of this application that work would follow and come at a later stage. We've had conversations with Katma, GMT, UVM and Champlain College about public transit. I didn't include it here, but another component is definitely lots of bike parking, electric car charging stations, lots of, well, a good path for ride sharing, drop off pickup to happen. Rob mentioned Queen City Park Road redesign. So the parking lot and stormwater improvements is connected into the engineering work that's underway by the city around Queen City Park Road redesign. The scope of that work being looked at by the city includes adding a sidewalk at least to the Burton side of the street, potentially to the other side of the street as well, if they can fit it in, but certainly at least on one side. So that's a key part of connectivity because there is no sidewalk right now. Site management plan is a big part. So this is a big thing that we're working on. We filed it as an amendment or addendum to our application, which is really how would we plan to really more so, how does higher ground plan to manage events in terms of site operations and security? So we've had a lot of consultation with the CRZ and the police departments of Burlington and South Burlington and putting that together. And then continuing, as I've mentioned before, ongoing discussions with representatives from Citizens for Responsible Zoning Group. So all of that, it's a pretty thick packet that went together. The traffic studies themselves are literally hundreds of pages because there's all kinds of intersection analysis. They looked at conditions as is and also conditions connected to the Champlain Parkway once that's built. The noise study is very detailed and then these other components are included in our application materials as well. So really our next steps, and I'll open it up if anyone has questions. You know, these hearings start next month and we're really continuing to work at talking through. I know we've had a lot of concern and questions and essentially we were very focused in prior stages around whether we would even have the opportunity to submit an application because the zoning did not allow that previously. So once the zoning came together, we really started getting a lot more organized and since the fall have really spent time getting into the details of the operations of how this could work. And we remain very confident it's going to be just such a great addition to this part of the city. Really create a walk-bike destination for people who live here. A great location where I think we'll all be proud to bring family and friends who are visiting, place to hang out, be friends, hear music. But really, quite frankly, the music piece will probably be the least active portion of the site because higher ground's expecting to run a little more than 100 nights a year and many of those events will be on a smaller scale. Very few will be at the full capacity. So with that, I think I'll pause and see if there's any questions that I can answer. Yeah, thanks, Justin. I really appreciate you being here and providing us that update. We have a few minutes for questions here, but just so folks don't think that we're limiting things, I do wanna provide a couple other opportunities where folks would be able to weigh in. As you mentioned, Justin, I believe that the Development Review Board hearings if I'm not mistaken, start on July 7th. Is that right, that you're? Yes. Okay. And if folks are interested, I don't think it's posted yet, but I know that your application, as with any application, will end up being posted on the DRB website for folks to link to it. And if, before all is said and done, Justin, I know that, as you've mentioned, you've been accessible to neighbors, and so I don't know if you wanna do it now or before you sign off, but if there's any way that folks might be able to get in touch with you, and again, we'll open it up to questions here, that folks might be able to get in touch with you. Can they reach out to you individually? Yeah, for sure. And I've been continuing to do that. Easiest way to get in touch with me is just shoot me an email, justinwatburton.com, and happy to chat with anybody about the project. Okay, great. So we have a few minutes for questions here. I think I recognize Sydney. I think our attendees can raise their hands, but now we have a dozen or so people on the panelist side as well. Are they able to raise their hands too, or if they wanted to have a question asked, how do they do that? I'm not sure if we do have a button, but you can always physically raise your hand. Okay. Let's go to our attendees first. If anyone has a question, could they raise their hand? I see Danny Weiss there, if you wanna unmute him. Hi there. Justin, it sounds like a really great project. There's no question about that. I mean, all the things that you've told about, life affirming things. The big question is, how much noise and traffic is it going to bring to the area? Is it conducive to have this venue, this beautiful vision that you have? Is it conducive to have it in this place? That's the question. And you talked about having a sound, noise of studies, evaluations by RGS and such. I have an idea. All the modeling in the world, we saw the modeling with the coronavirus, how off that was. That was supposed to be a major, major catastrophe. And thank God it hasn't turned out to be the way they predicted the real data that showed. So I'm talking about getting real data. And I just had an idea while you were talking. And the idea was, why not have some kind of dry run, a one day event, set up the sound equipment, the acoustic, have the acoustic evaluations in the neighborhoods adjusted that are adjacent to Burton, have really monitored the traffic, put something in Queen City Park. Let's test this out. Let's see if the people, maybe the people in Red Rocks will say, hey, I didn't hear a thing. It was fantastic. But I think to make it, so it's going to be loud like it would be. There's a skate park out there that it's going to be happening. And that could bring a lot of noise to the neighborhood. You got to include everything that's in the vision. That's my suggestion. I think could help clear up some questions. Yeah, thanks, Danny. And we've, on the noise side, that's been done. So RSG came in and set up equipment to replicate the decibels of a heavy metal rock concert inside the building. And so what they've included in their analysis is the actual measurement of that noise. And you'll see the concentric decibel rings around the venue. And that's with a building in the current condition. So there will certainly be improvements made to the envelope of the building because it's a pretty much a down and dirty shell right now. But even with the building in the current condition, the noise outside the building doesn't exceed any of the noise ordinance levels, which are qualitative in Burlington. They're quantitative in South Burlington. And in both cities sort of refer to the World Health Organization standards around noise, which sort of sets a threshold around 45 decibels for a nighttime sort of quiet time reading. So that piece has been done. The traffic component has been analyzed heavily. There was one of the advantages of using the firm that we did is they did a lot of the work on analyzing local traffic patterns for the city with the Champlain Parkway project. It's also, the area is really heavily trafficked right now between the business traffic that comes and goes on a daily basis and probably less so the residential cut through is people I think from Queen City Park tend to head up to Sheldon Road and people in South Coast probably mostly go up home out but that's just my own anecdotal opinion. And we've also hosted very heavily attended events. So we have a lot of experience with traffic management, higher ground. One of the reasons we're really excited about this project is higher ground's been around for 22 years. They've been doing shows at their venue originally in Wanooski now in South Burlington, but they're producing shows, they produce the shows at Shelburne Museum that are about I think three to 4,000 guests versus a max of 1,500 people is what we're looking at for total maximum capacity. And they produce a lot of other shows. They have a lot of experience with sort of event management, traffic control. So and essentially this, these questions are the ones that I think will be central to the development review board process. So I actually know very little about these things and that's why we had to hire experts to come in and do the more detailed work and they'll be sharing more details, being really grilled by the development of few board members. And I think members of the public as well as part of those DRB hearings. And I guess the other, the one other thing I would share is that, I think there's some concern, we know there is concern about having a high frequency of 1,500 person events at night. And we've been working very closely with higher ground to really get a better model of what do they expect to happen? And so they really have a, there's a bell shaped curve in terms of the expected size of shows and there'll be much less frequent than their current venue on Shelburne Road and the events both in terms of how late they go and how large they are, they'll be sort of in this bell shaped curve. So there'll be very few events that would go late into the evening that would be full capacity. And sort of the sweet spot is gonna be probably similar to their large room at their venue on Shelburne Road as shows that are gonna be, you know, 700 to 750 people that are gonna end between 10 and 11 at night, not certainly not go into the wee hours of the night. So all of that, again, that's gonna, that's part of our application and that's part of what, you know, we'll really be getting into a lot more detail through that development review board process. All right, thanks Justin. I see Alisa has a question. Yes, can you hear me? Yes, thanks Alisa. A quick question that Justin just said that there would be, sounded like no shows going into the wee hours, but in recent meetings, we've heard that there might be a handful, maybe under 10 during the year that would go to hours of one or two o'clock in the morning. And the other question comes to, what about the trucks of roadies, basically, equipment then being loaded into trucks and then leaving through the neighborhoods after shows that go to 11, 12, one, two in the morning? What is that plan? So the, what higher ground is shared in terms of show times is there's really a couple of events that they do that run past midnight right now at their current venue and that's about all that they would be looking to do in a new location, New Year's Eve being one of those and then the drag ball that they host as a fundraiser are really the two events that go past midnight. And this will be, I think, an important point for us to try to navigate to a place that works for sort of the operation of making the venue viable and concerns around the neighbors. And I think, certainly one of the things we're thinking about to Danny's point is maybe we step into this that initially there's some agreement that shows end at a certain time and as we prove that the impacts can be managed and it's smooth for the neighborhood that that moves to a different place. So this is all part of, I think, what we've been talking to the CRZ about to the four representatives and really want to keep that dialogue going as we get into the DRB process. So we have that line of communication open. Annalisa, your second question around trucks. You know, most of the shows that come are not going to be coming in large format tractor trailers. They'd be coming in small sort of box trucks or buses that would be just exiting once the shows leave. We will have a loading dock, so any access loading activity at the end of a show would be interior to the building. The vehicle would be back up to a dock door and then basically the truck would be exiting. I would expect to be, I know there's truck traffic now with Rhino at night through their third shift operation. So it might be, it would be one, maybe two vehicles that would be leaving the venue once the show ends. All right. I just want to, do any of our panelists have any questions? Maybe we could take one or two more questions from the attendee side, but just want to make sure that I'm not missing any raised hands. Okay. I see that perhaps Mark has a question. Mark, if you could go ahead and unmute yourself. There you go. How does that work? Yep, we can hear you. Okay, great. I first, I just want to say as a member of the CRZ that the meetings with Burton and High Ground have been productive. And I really want to underline that because it's really important for people to participate in CRZ so that the CRZ has some negotiating leverage with Burton and High Ground as they move through this process. There, as Justin mentioned, there are some real concerns that relate to venue size and hours of operation and they have not been nailed down yet. And so if you're concerned about that please get in contact with us. I know the hosts of the NPA meeting will have our contact information and just wanting to encourage you to be involved. Thank you, Mark. Why don't we take just one additional question? I see Laurie Smith has his hand raised. Go ahead, Laurie, once you unmute yourself. Thank you very much. And Justin, I want to thank you for your presentation. And I want you to know that without exception, from my understanding, members of the CRZ are totally supportive of Burton and of your hub concept and love the idea of having a dynamic, exciting campus close to us as neighbors and that the focus of concern is around noise, traffic, hours of operation and venue size for people on Home Avenue that deal with traffic leaving at midnight or 1130, the only time of the day when they have quiet on their street. Et cetera. And I know a lot of this will be addressed in the DRB hearings and I just want to say as a CRZ member, I do truly wish you guys great success and look forward to having a walkable, exciting, appropriately sized venue at the end of our road. And look forward to hearing feedback from others as this goes forward. So thank you very much. Thanks, Lori. Thank you, Lori. I don't know, I saw one other hand go up. I don't know if Elisa had one other comment. I'd be fine going to her for just one last brief comment. If it's brief, Elisa. Yes. I guess I want to reiterate what Lori just said is we've been trying very hard to work with Burton. I'm not feeling as positive as Lori about it. I don't feel there has been much movement on Burton's side and I'd really like to push more for that. And I'm hoping that we'll see that in the DRB but I haven't felt it yet. I just really want to reiterate that it's not just Home Avenue and Queen City Park that are involved, all of the surrounding houses on all of the roads around there. There are six buildings in the industrial park. There are hundreds, if not a thousand houses that surround those six buildings, including all the condos. And that's where the concerns are. We live with rhino foods and yes, they make some noise and we know certain things that happen there. But once you add another layer of Burton going until midnight with noise and then rhino starting up at four or five in the morning, you basically created an unlivable situation. And that's where the concerns are for potentially a thousand people. So really, Justin, that's what we're talking about. And that's where I really would like you to listen to us as neighbors and really think of what your life would be like living in the same situation. Thanks, Lisa. You know, for those folks who have spoken from the neighborhood group, the CRZ, as Mark mentioned, I will make sure to get someone's contact information in the minutes from this meeting. So if anyone wanted to contact someone from that group, they could. Those minutes we've posted on our NPA page. Justin, I greatly appreciate you on behalf of Burton making the presentation again to us this evening. Thank you for allowing folks to reach out to you individually if they have any follow-up questions. And again, I know that you all are slated to be before the DRB for the first time on July 7th. So I would encourage anyone who's interested to stay tuned to check out the DRB website and to follow it for any updates with respect to your application materials. Thanks, Ben. Appreciate it. Thanks to the full steering committee for giving us a slot again to talk about where we're at. Appreciate it. Great. Thank you. So that now brings us to the last part of our agenda. At our last meeting, we had a neighbor put together a great presentation on her local photography and the time here of COVID-19. And we thought, why not try it again this meeting? And Carolyn Bates is a neighbor who's been very involved with this NPA for many years and is another excellent local photographer and thought we'd ask Carolyn to share some of her work with us. So Carolyn, take it away. I think you're muted now, Carolyn. See if we could do this. There you are. I want to thank all of you very much and also make an offer. If any of you want photographs, I'll make eight by 10 sign prints and you decide the price you want. Know that 50% of that price will be given to Front Porch Forum. To start out my show, I belong to the American Association of Media Photographers where 7,000 international professional photographers. And we wrote the copyright laws and we still maintain them. So a group of us with ASMP decided to do one day in the life of April 27th, 2020. And as I recorded what was going on that day, I found that I just could not put color in. It was just shouldn't be a happy experience. And the first one you're seeing here is Shover Museum. And as I was driving down the road, the birds showed up. So I just stopped my car, didn't care about the traffic behind me and all of the photos by the way in this group are photographed with an iPhone 11. So I got out and got about four shots with the birds and then I went home and did the following. And there's a second shot that's part of this. And I wanted to show something about how lonely it felt. Very lonely. And Jesse Warren just happened to be at the location that I wanted, which was right here. So he stood around a few different locations on this walkway here and this is the photo I took with him. And I made his hair blonde, which it is and a little bit of blonde on the side there, but and a little bit of blue. Next one. In my professional life, I've been photographing several things and since we're all been home, I have started to finish jobs that I had from last year. And one of them was my most favorite. This is Sandy Lawton. He's our own design, ARO design in Watesfield. And he has perfected the insulation of concrete on location but instead of using hard forms, he uses fabric. So by using fabric, he can make it curve and curl and he'll pour it all right in place. So he made this whole building right here. And so this is one of the shots that I've taken. It's a thousand square feet. It's got a green roof on it and it's a climate resilient building. Next one. And this is the interior. And I just, I want those stairs in my house. I just think they're just yummy. Each one of those stairs on the top two thirds has been poured separately and then put in place using like as bolts or something to tie it in. So anyway, that's the interior. Now I've got one, the next one. I've also finished work for broadly landscape architecture. They're the ones that did the green roof on Sandy's house. He's married to one of the owners. And this is my favorite photo that I did of a garden that I photographed for them. And the other thing, oh, okay. So that's broadly for architecture. Then the next shot, because I've had time, I was able to get a book published that I had started last fall. Nils Luterowski is this amazing architect over in the King Valley, New York. And he's been doing these sketches and then photographing work for him for maybe 20 years. And I love these sketches. And I asked him what he was gonna do with them. And he says, well, I don't know, toss them out. And I went, no. So Victoria Collada, who does my website, is also an amazing book designer. So she and Nils worked together for maybe six months to put this book together. And I just got it like last week from Elle Brown and Barry, who's the printer. Beautiful, beautiful job. And they're for sale now at Phoenix Bookstore. So please buy local and please buy my book that's already signed. And if you want, you can come over to my house and I will put some additional signatures in it if you'd want your own name. Next. And then from now on, all of these photographs, this is literally taken outside my house. And for the beginning of March, middle of March, I went around, didn't just walk to my neighborhood. It's so much fun to do that because working out in my own house, there's not too many people I get to see, but now that they all have to stay here, it's just really fun to do. So I photographed all sorts of people in some of their houses and gardens. And I think you might all know who this person is. And you can run the show from here and remember that if you want to buy a print, you name the price and I will let it just go. These are all five sisters. Thank you, Carolyn. You could mention it again, if folks wanted to get in touch with you, how would they do so? Okay. I'm at the end that I've got a picture that gives you my name and address, but I'm 20 Caroline Street. And it's C-Bates, be like Burlington T-Like Truck at gmail.com. Or you can just put a note in my mailbox. I'm the house, oh, my house used to be a cement mixing factory in 1927. So a lot of your garages or your basements were made here. Very cool. Well, I really appreciate the presentation, Caroline. We're hoping to, you know, obviously we're hoping we can all get back together in person sooner rather than later, but whether it be virtual or in person, we're hoping to be able to continue to highlight the artwork of a lot of our Ward 5 neighbors, whether it be photography or music or what have you. This has been a really great addition to our meeting. So thanks for your contributions. You're welcome and let's continue doing it regardless of whether we're on Zoom or not. Here's some information. Totally, I agree. I think it's wonderful. Well, that brings us to the end of our agenda. Thank you very much to everyone for joining. Thank you for your patience and our running a little bit behind. Congratulations to our newly formed steering committee. Stand by. We'll be in touch for planning our first get-together, for planning our meetings to come. So I hope everyone has a great rest of their night and we'll see you all soon enough. Thanks so much, Sydney, for your support. Yeah, and thank you, Sydney. Thank you. Thank you, Caroline. Thanks, Saul. Good night. Everyone, good night. Good night, everybody. Thanks again for coming.