 Now on YouTube we dance How does Justin trump me on some of these things I hey, let's not get political Guys let's keep politics funny story of that The my buddy Katie who works at the Wall Street Journal and the bankruptcy beat which is amazing She's so smart to do it because you can write a million different stories The most traffic story she ever had was about 50 cents bankruptcy Does she ever does she ever do follow-up with with people like to like famous people gone in bankruptcy and lay Oh, yeah No, a lot of a lot of the stories are not current like they're like stories I basically her beat gives her license to tell the most interesting bankruptcy stories and many of them aren't happening now The the 50 cent bankruptcy was interesting because he wound up getting hauled back To bankruptcy court because after the verdict was announced He spelled out broke in hundred dollar on his Instagram Right great way to prove your broke, but like yeah okay But an Instagram photo brought him back to court Anybody's money, right? And that and his he starts what the court was wanting to know he said it was incumbent upon his ability to make a living to Continue to project a certain image and that's what he was doing He then continually hinted through interviews that he had hidden his money, and he was just not going to pay this woman well Enough about Curtis Yeah, things you learn on daily tech news show ladies and germs they if you're not Subscribed to the patreon feed You you're missing a lot of cultural literacy from Speciation to 50 cents bankruptcy and beyond And the terror Of hosting your own one-man show the terror of knowing what the world is about Watching your good friends scream let me out What is with us today? gosh Just under pressure Yeah, yeah, it's it's We're under extreme pressure Song about that Believe it evolves the terror All right, let's do this. You guys ready? Yep. Yes here. Oh We go Daily tech news show is powered by you and I'm not talking to the other person I'm talking to you to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday March 15th the Ides of March 2018 from DTNS headquarters in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline. I'm Sarah Lane Welcome, California. I'm Justin Robert. Yeah And a man who puts Julius Caesar to shame our producer Roger Chang Yes, the original ornate orange julius Reference, yes Dairy queen or is Julius so many good things good things remind me of the show and this show is going to talk about The future of the internet the internet has saved everybody All right, oh fair. That's what I was looking for. All right, I don't know a little premature But we'll get to that. Let's start with a few tech things. You should know Google has officially renamed android where operating system for watches to Wear os the name change more accurately for flex the fact that the watch os works with android and ios both Hmm nest announced that a temperature sensor that works with its thermostat schedules to ship in april for $39 each or in a three pack for $99 up to six sensors can be paired with the nest learning thermostat and the nest thermostat e Sensors do not work with first or second gen nest thermostats nest also launched the nest hello video doorbell for $229 And the nest x yale Door lock for $249 one's bell. Yeah, there's a lock Gotta wire it in. I don't know. Yeah intel's next generation xeon processors and The eighth gen intel core processors that will ship in the second half of the year Are going to come with the new architecture that partitions things off To prevent against the specter vulnerability. This will provide protection without the performance hit that the firmware fix has And speaking of that firmware fix intel also said that firmware updates are available for all chips made within the last five years All right, let's talk a little more about a record about a moment in history that happened Last night. Justin one might say it was god's plan tom twitch streamer ninja aka tyler blevins brought rapper drake onto a stream to play fortnite setting a twitch benchmark for concurrent stream at 635 Thousand the two were later joined by stealers rookie juju smith schuster and rapper travis scott ninja is the most popular twitch streamer with three million followers and 160,000 paid subscribers the previous record for concurrent viewers was 388,000 by dr. Disrespect for those of you on the gamer side a little bit of a passing of the torch as dr. Disrespect of course the most famous verb of g president geland or person unknowns battlegrounds and uh fortnite is the successor some would say almost directly in terms of yeah, uh There's been no love lost between those two franchises and uh fortnite seems to be ascended Here, uh indeed. So this is gigantic. I mean like look this is 635,000 Like verify this is not that when people say, okay, let's compare what things get online to television for example This is everybody was exactly there in front. This is not an estimation like neilson ratings are that's You know Depending on how you want to do the math on that if this were run in the same calculations that neilson counts, uh television ratings There's a very good chance that number would even be estimated higher. Uh, What what do you think? Uh, did this make your hotline bling? Um Yes, uh drake was the name I recognized in this story. Thank you. Justin. I uh Yeah, no, I think we had a good conversation on your stream earlier today about Where this sits like this feels like the first time I've ever seen twitch on the front page of bbc news Uh, this this feels like the kind of thing that grabbed a lot of attention that people who may have heard of twitch but didn't know what it was uh Finally brought it in front of them whether it's the moment that twitch goes mainstream or not I think uh history will have to judge. It's a little too early to tell You know the fact that ninja, uh, who I was not familiar with before but he's the you know, he's he's the most popular twitch streamer 3 million followers and then you say 635 thousand concurrent streams like okay Well, that's like less than one third of his total followers But just and I think you make a good point that this is concurrent streams at one time and what you know Whether or not that's you know the highest concurrent streams that you know other platforms have enjoyed It's You know twice as much as what the current record was Sure sure And and look at youtube, but you can have people with a million subscribers I think you get like 5 000 views on on a video like followers and subscribers Do not equate two views are not the same thing I guess the question here is and we will see going forward is where this is in the grand scheme of like Is this leave britney alone like is now does this enter into the celebrity sphere and now never goes away Or is this just the fact that drake is you know bored between recording sessions and has gotten to fortnight and now is just killing an evening or Is drake investing in twitch Well, uh, that's a very interesting question because certainly juju smith schuster is now a gamer Uh avowedly so everybody had their own little agenda going here. Maybe that's drakes. That's a that's an interesting question Writers reports that amazon company documents indicate more than 5 million people worldwide join amazon prime by early 2017 in order to watch tv shows speaking of streams the internal documents indicate that amazon's us audience for tv is about 26 million Which is half of netflix's q1 2017 us subscriber number to put things into perspective The man in the high castle had 8 million us viewers by early 2017 and attracted 1.15 million new prime subscribers worldwide amazon estimated that the show's cost meant to each new subscriber it acquired costs 63 dollars and when you consider that prime cost 99 dollars to get uh, man in the high castle was a profitable show for amazon i suppose profitable and also i'm not gonna say that nobody liked it but um of you know the The people who i talked to about these sorts of things it wasn't it the amazon's best offering But it did get a lot of uh, who are you talking to this is definitely one of amazon's best offerings Did you think it was a good show? Yes, I loved it. You did. Yes. Sorry. I should have talked to you before this No, I I most of my other circles um People thought it was not a very good show, but um, but it was well produced. It was interesting and it kind of speaks to amazon being able to say hey, here's this big new offering and people saying I got to watch the show Uh and also part of it is just establishing this as a place where you find these things as TBS interactive how hard it is, you know, even once you get a gigantic Mainstream name like star trek there to keep subscribers Uh onto a platform. Uh, it's a battle that they're fighting right now. Also marvelous mrs. Maisel Uh highly recommended just started watching that on a very good show very good show Although I mean to sarah's point You don't have to like a show for it to be successful good girls revolt critically acclaimed show Uh total u.s. Viewership of 1.6 million So it ended up costing amazon $1,560 per new customer that just didn't bring that many people in All right, so monday we talked about the qualcom broadcom acquisition being scuttled by the president And our curiosity as to why we talked a lot about what this meant for qualcom broadcom and intel But I thought we'd follow up a little on what the general consensus is of why this happened It seems to mostly have to do with 5g Qualcomm and huawei are two of the dominant manufacturers of 5g equipment of a certain sort Uh of the modems that go into the phones and that sort of thing and the u.s. Government has prohibited itself from buying From huawei. They're actively campaigning against huawei broadcom Has a history of cutting costs and production at companies it acquires So it may be That the u.s feared broadcom would gut qualcomm's 5g efforts Leaving huawei in charge of that market now Mike kepper over in our slack asked How can the president do this? How can he just sign a piece of paper and stop a merger? First would be to use the committee on foreign investment in the united states We've talked about that before it was created during the fort administration to keep tech out of the hands of the soviets It's historically been rather quiet, but during the obama administration this when this started not during the current administration The u.s began to use it to protect what fortune calls national champions Mostly from chinese competition and the cfi us usually can discourage acquisition just by influence in this case That didn't work. So the other option Is to use national security as the justification broadcom is a singaporean-based company. It mostly exists in the u.s It's a redoma siling to the us no matter what It was not about china directly But that same fear about leaving the market open to huawei dominating 5g production Can be spun into a security concern and then You get to do this in 1988 the congress Passed the trade and competitiveness act of 1988 which included an amendment called the exxon floreo amendment That said that all foreign investments that might affect national security may be reviewed And if deemed to pose a threat to security the president may block the investment So congress gave the president that power That's the power that the president just used to say national security Out of here and it pretty much goes down to making 5g modems for phones Uh, we also know that 5g networks and national security have been at least at some place on the mind of the trump administration Considering there was that plan floated a few months back about nationalizing build out of a 5g network So as to keep it out of the hands of any kind of parts that were manufactured in china either now in the past or in the future Yeah, so there you go. I hope that clears things up a little more Uh, oh, I I think it did tom Linus torvalds has criticized the cts lab security report on amd chip laws saying When was the last time you saw a security advisory? That was basically if you replace the bios or the cpu microde with an evil version you might have a security problem yeah Torvalds agrees that the bugs are real but not critical Cts gave amd 24 hours notice before publishing its report rather than the industry standard 90 days Torvalds also said quote it looks more like stock manipulation than a security advisory to me Plop plop plop shots fired top. Yeah, nobody is is disagreeing with the technical Like underpinnings of the report, but there's a lot of argument about whether it's actually Something that's worth reporting that it's it's like well, look these are the kind of bugs that happen all the time Sure, you should tell amd give them 90 days to fix them, but they are not something to fret about that's what linus torvalds is saying Today google is rolling out a wheelchair accessible routing option for google maps So for anybody that needs that wheelchair ramps elevators the like will now be factored in to guide People with mobility needs google said it's working with local governments and information provided by users and its local guides Program to beef it up the rollout is small limited to six cities across the globe room for improvements, but it is a start Yeah, this is great You know, there's so many people who who would be able to take advantage of google maps more if this information was there now can Well, you know, I have a friend who is not in a wheelchair, but uh has uh limited mobility and the First question, you know any time i'm like hey want to try the new sushi place, you know, he's like are there stairs You know, what's the deal are we going to sit in the back of the restaurant? Like the these are uh questions that you know For some people are really important. So the more information you can have off the bat You know, whether you know, it's a wheelchair or you know, even if it's like a one-off thing where you know You're going to be I don't know carting a bunch of stuff on a you know You know hand truck or whatever it is The more you know the better Absolutely and look and if in hilly, uh Uneven places like san francisco. They can have bike Directions then they can certainly do uh, you leverage a lot of the same kind of knowledge bases to make better wheelchair accessibility routes This is tech done good folks Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes You've got an option and we bring it to you. Thanks to your support. It's called daily tech headlines You can get it on the amazon echo as a flash briefing on the google home on the anchor app And as a podcast in your favorite podcatcher, just go to daily tech headlines dot com to find out more Mateo John Pietro zago is president of the internet of blockchains and founder of ascentia Uh ascentia is using the blockchain to provide sort of a uh decentralized data and identity service Zago has a medium post called why the web 3.0 matters and you should know about it now This used to be a topic of concern during the buzz out loud days When I was back at cnet, what's gonna follow web 2.0? Is it social media? Is it apps? Turns out it's web 3.0 And it's finally here. Uh, he defines web 2.0 as the era of interactive content So he kind of lumps social media and apps into web 2.0 He says, yeah, sure it started with ajex powered interactive sites But this kind of interactivity where you're the product and you give your information to a company Is is web 2.0, uh, however you define it the rise of fast internet interactivity has allowed the largest companies in the world Wrap your head about that we talk about it a lot, but the largest companies in the world Are web 2.0 companies google amazon facebook, uh and they have centralized stockpiles of your Personal data and that is the cause of most of the Controversial stories fake news Privacy data breaches right to be forgotten Uh, the whole gdpr thing going on in europe where they're they're trying to crack down on companies sharing private information So zago thinks that we are at the beginning of web 3.0, which he calls the antithesis of this It's about multiple profit centers sharing value across an open network Instead of using you as a product to centralize a huge amount of profit in a few companies Now here are some examples and I would Mention these and we can kick around Where we think this is going how likely that we think it's going to happen And and just and you have a very good way of phrasing this question that I want to hear He says no central point of control Blockchains like ethereum provide a trustless platform where the rules are unbreakable and data is fully encrypted I mean no rules are unbreakable, but but close as close to unbreakable as you can get Users own and secure their data again in containers. They're cryptid. You're in control There's a lot of companies that feature this Interoperability apps become device and os agnostic because you can use them anywhere on the chain permissionless blockchains erase borders So the inability of companies to use an ip address to tell where you are because everything's decentralized And uninterrupted service because denial of service attacks don't work. Well, if you don't have a centralized server Now he mentions a lot of projects that I think he is either involved with or admiring Some that he doesn't mention are tim burners lee's project solid that wants to make a container for your data that you can add Or remove from social services there's also A Resilio is an example of decentralized storage Storage, which zago does mention st orj. There's library for Providing video or audio content Without a centralized server again lbr y.io so Justin How do we how do we look at this? How do we frame this? So When we were going over this earlier The first thing that kind of popped into my mind was Man, does this argument sound familiar to me? and it ultimately the way that I could contextualize it in my brain was This is basically the open source revolution The idea that and not to say that it's exactly technically the same thing But in the same way that open source was like a look on a long enough timeline The open source solutions will be better patched that would better manage you're not going to have to worry about dumb decisions being made by the wrong people for the wrong reasons and Eventually we will find it maybe the masses will understand that these are better solutions Then locking ourselves in walled gardens. So other people can monetize us like cattle and as we've seen while open source programming is Probably the most influential and certainly is oftentimes at the vanguard of changes technically that there is still a value for a central place of Company that is keeping and managing A service and now to say that these web 3.0 companies are not going to manage exactly what they are offering it and and I guess my only question here is why won't Uh, what is the fundamental difference as to why All the companies that they are listening on one side of this list that uh, our web 2.0 hashtag old and busted And all these web 3.0 new hotness companies. Why can't google or amazon adopt some of these Uh ways of doing things uh to just Continue to shore up their platform Listen man open source is great Uh, but why can't ibm and microsoft just adopt some of those measures and uh, and keep it out of business The reason was They felt it was against their profit motive and definitely google facebook and such are going to feel Decentralizing things and letting go of personal information is against their profit motive We're they're going to find it very hard to want to let go of that On the other side of whether these new web 3.0 type apps Are open source or are they the new googles? Is the question of do they have do they have a business model? Uh and and most of them have a business model that's vaguely defined around some kind of crypto coin You buy into the crypto coin then you use it on the chain and then it appreciates in value and etc etc etc Uh, so so, you know the brilliance of google the brilliance of amazon the brilliance of facebook They all used open source software to help themselves grow fast and cheap And then became profitable companies. So where these things are like solid the the mit Project with tim burners lee That feels like open source And you wonder like well, is this going to be linux and lead to other things like android or is this going to be Like open office and and just always be an option But never never take over some of these other ones though like ascentia Which is is the author's product are definitely trying to disrupt data centers They're they're trying to say like hey pay us a lot less Because it doesn't cost us as much and we'll provide a lot more security and protection I guess, you know my my question and you know, when we sort of rattle off how web 3.0 might promise You know a better life for everybody Uh, certainly, you know out of the confines of social networking as we know it now to use facebook Just facebook is like, you know my example of like it's where everybody is But we all complain about it and there are a lot of issues and you know The the the network itself is trying to figure out, you know, how do you take away Certain features that you've deemed Irresponsible slash harmful to the greater good of society without affecting your bottom line too much What does facebook look like if no one leaves facebook? and and Many people not everybody but many people don't quite understand What the motivations would be for this new web 3.0 world And that is that is the question right and I can think of multiple answers But one of those optional answers is Me saying that's what people said about facebook. Why would I want to use it? Why would I leave my space? Why would I use it at all? Why would I use twitter? I don't get it. How many times did we hear people say that after you signed up for twitter and got it? and and that's the jump that these new services have to make Is convincing those people. Hey, this is why And that's that's hard to do sometimes it isn't sometimes it doesn't work and those companies are peach They go away and we never hear from them again Uh, but sometimes it works sometimes you have a google that comes along and people are like Why would I leave altavista and then google is just so much better? Uh that it takes over the world question How much do people really care about privacy? Like I know that it is there's something that we talk about a lot here It is certainly something that in an abstract if you break it down for people they care more about But ultimately almost all the decisions that we see In in terms of big mainstream trends is give me feature give me convenience I will cash in my privacy dope Well, we're starting to see a change. Uh, we had that recent survey that we talked about where people Actually started to say no, I will actually Security is starting to matter to me. There's been enough breaches or I've been affected Where it's actually starting to matter worse previous versions of the surveys people like net convenience for sure So there is a little evidence that the the opinion is changing And then there's also the anecdotal evidence of You know the the app of the week where people are like, oh finally An app that values privacy. Oh wait I don't know if I like the founder because he was involved with a weird saudi company But I think that showed the appetite for alternative is there and and just the fury over Things like fake news and and privacy protections in europe You know calling for a new legislation every week. It seems like there's another investigation Uh, it means that if if somebody can crack the code They can play that as a competitive advantage At least that's what I think Good stuff, Tom Well, uh, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit. You can submit stories of vote out of a daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Don't forget to let us know what you think about this. Do you not care about privacy? Do you care for privacy? Let us know in any of those places or just by emailing us feedback at daily tech news show dot com In which case sarah might read your email when she reads the mailbag Exactly just like i'm about to read Dave's email. He comes from st. Louis says go cards You asked for suggestions yesterday that scott might use for his now outdated raspberry pi scott was like, you know I get a new one, but like i'd rather sort of you know figure out something to do with this one Check out pie hole. This is dave's recommendation. That's p i dash hole dot net program started as a geeky ad blocking program But now is easy to install and a use program that only sends ads to a black hole Not only but can also be configured to block malware and other undesirable sites The program installs with a single command line has grown to include a graphical interface lots of information about browsing on your network Instructions are all there. Give it a shot. Oh very good. Well, dave. I'll be happy to know I forwarded that to scott johnson along with Along with many other Of the great emails we got from people. We got a bunch Suggesting things you could do with this raspberry pi. What are we going to do with all those? Well, I'm glad you asked tom because tomorrow after the regular dts show tom and I and perhaps Perhaps another guest. We'll see a tbd on that are going to have our second monthly Even though we missed february Mailbag show So this is sort of our opportunity not only to get to a lot of the feedback that we don't have time for on the show But we really want to address But also even go back and revisit some, you know trending emails that we seem to get or You know themed emails or even an email that you might have heard on dts before that we weren't able to unpack With as much time so This should incentivize you if you haven't written us and you'd like to be part of the mailbag Now is the time feedback at daily tech news show. Yeah, we want to do a lot of this sort of like Hey help help a friend out this case scott, but it could be anything Uh and then regarding the part-time youtube moderators We talked about the difficulty of that how youtube wants to limit it to four hours a day One of our listeners wrote in regarding their work in iraq and afghanistan and digital forensics Which of course as you might imagine led to them seeing a lot of disturbing any images They wrote It does have an effect on you a fellow team leader had a breakdown after a couple of tours All of us who did the work have our issues. Some people are better at compartmentalizing it than others I consider myself one of them But there are times when what i've seen comes back unexpectedly I try not to let it get me in everyday life, but I do suffer from depression and anxiety Some of it. I'm confident was exacerbated by that work Along with other factors in the dmx forensics community, which is majority law enforcement There are a lot of post traumatic stress issues from dealing with mostly child pornography It's real and I feel for these young people at google and facebook who have to deal with it I'm glad they're taking steps to make it a smaller portion of their work And I sincerely hope they're providing good free counseling for these folks Yeah, and you know when we talked about this yesterday and I was saying well, you know They're contract workers and they don't have medical benefits and oh, isn't that irresponsible and tom pointed out rightfully So well, they you know, there might be something else that they're they're getting We don't know that they're not they're not being offered benefits at all But this feedback is you know really hit the nail in the head and you know, hopefully I was getting my message across Uh yesterday as as well as I could you know be more of a spectator about this than anything that You know again, it's you're you're you're asking folks to do something for money and uh, hey You know paychecks a paycheck But what you are asking of folks may go above and beyond anything that humanly is possible to handle In a way that is healthy for the people involved doing it Now i'm not saying it's not possible, but it seems to be pretty bad And when you hear from folks who have worked in law enforcement or the military or you know Similar fields that say this is a really widespread problem, you know without even the tools That somebody let's say, you know on a police force would get before they even join the police force Those sorts of tools to to to deal with the stuff. I just I really worry about anybody Making ends meet with a job that is so traumatic for them in the long run Yeah, and and with law enforcement or medicine Or similar professions, you're trained you're prepared and and and if you can't face it There's no shame in saying, you know what that's not for me This kind of situation you you may not be properly prepared What and and not only I think the post-traumatic stress comes from not knowing what's around the corner Yeah, yeah, once once you have that in your head It I mean takes time and effort to psychologically Uh let yourself know that it's not going to show up not only in the next slide that you have to run through For your job, but also in your life. Yeah, I mean think about how many times you were like, you know I had a really good week and all of a sudden this thing's been really bothering me and it kind of derailed everything and like That can be very trivial things If it's you know part of your livelihood It's it's you know potentially a major thing. Yeah, well, uh, thanks for for sharing To those who did that that was uh, it's very good of you and and other people did as well Uh, thanks also to Justin rubber young it is thursday another show in the can Justin What's going on since you've gone back from south by southwest in one piece? I might add I think Barely barely. I mean, I mean, I swear man They got an uncoupled that that uh that spring forward from south by that is just that is a cruel insult to injury, isn't it? Oh, sweet lord. You're you're not whistling Dixie. Uh Yeah, uh, listen folks, you can go ahead and check me out at politics politics politics. Uh dot com Uh, we are running our our american sex scandals bracket I know I did the live show a couple weeks ago But also, uh, you can follow at contender game On twitter where we are conducting a bracket for The internet itself you guys can help vote. We've already had a bunch of people advanced. We have new Uh, first round matchups already, uh, therefore your voting you can read all about all of these scandals on uh, links from the twitter So twitter.com slash contender game Thanks to everybody who supports this show, uh with their emails with their opinions with their with their support of patreon On a patreon.com slash dts and of course, please proves our fine selection of branded gear with both old and new dts logos at daily tech news show.com slash store Our email address once again is feedback at daily tech news show dot com We are live monday through friday if you can join us. We love it for 30 p.m. Eastern 2030 utc and you can find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash live Len pralto will be creating brand new art during the show tomorrow and we'll have i as actar as our guest Okay, then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frogpants.com I hope you have enjoyed this brover I got that that was good I do that every time but i've jumped the gun a little bit My little muppet laugh Uh, good good thick show on a lot of points. Sorry like there were a couple times where I was like And I see the red so i'm not jumping in Yeah, yeah, well what happened at the very end of our main topic is I was in a different tab of this fresh Oh Yeah, no because I I saw I saw the red light and I was just like, all right. That's roger saying Yeah, no, you're right. You guys are right and I was going back to the tab. I'm like, oh, and here we go Um, well, you know happens to the best of us. Uh, no was really good though. Yeah Good time Was that you earlier, uh stare given a thumbs down to the the marvelous mrs. Maisel That show man, are you even kidding me with that? I so I am known Yeah, in one of my uh slack groups, um as the person who likes all the things that other people don't like Got you and hates everything that other people like. I'm not trying to do that I'm just being honest. I did not like the marvelous mazel thing. I did I watched like three episodes Working for me anymore monster not gonna watch it. But everyone else was like you're a monster. It's the best so Yeah, I mean, I I knew are we're we're were you a a gilmore girl? Did you like the gilmore girl show? I thought that show was overrated unwatchable If you I I will say if you if you Amy Sherman Palladino has a very specific way of writing where everybody has a quip and everybody is constantly Listen, I don't like Aaron's work and stuff either. So I'll on but that's no, no, no, no I I don't I don't blame you. I mean if you if you find that stuff kind of precious and too cute The unrealistic cadence of it makes me crazy, you know, did you like the movie juno? Roger Sorry, no, no, don't be sorry web 3.0. Yeah. All right. Good a decentralized web 3.0. Thanks carry on Oh, Jesse, did you like the movie juno? Yes, that was a good movie. I that show annoyed me or that movie annoyed me. Okay, see That's the beauty. That's the beauty of humanity guys. I guess no, but Embrace our differences that is kind of interesting and it's funny because that writing style I think really kind of crystallized in the 90s early odds that has kind of fallen out of favor It's like kevin smith even quentin turantino because it's too clever There's a point where it becomes too clever and becomes tedium Well, you know the problem that I had with erin sorkin content and I agree that the west wing was a wonderful show But it's sort of like oh, but didn't you like the west wing like that's the argument I always hear where I'm like, it's that old trope again, though You know, like I want to you know, it's it's sort of like listen Sarah Like clerks was great. You just can't do a sequel to clerks and then do a clerks spin on every movie you write And I mean clerks also was like, uh, I know it's you know, it's it's it's in time as you know You know at the but like have you watched clerks lately? I just Clerks is a movie that much very similar to a lot of movies in the 70s when you rewatch them You're like, oh my god Does this one scene of like a car pulling in we need to watch him park his car like Like just whatever who cares like there's a lot of pacing stuff and clerks that I think Would probably be done a lot differently But I think in the writing the biggest issue is It sounds like all the characters are the same person And exactly and and they're kind of just all setting each other up and being Like fun and and clever together and that was kind of a big thing about Kevin Smith writing Uh, but you can also definitely say it in Amy Sherman Paladino's writing where it's like, all right, this is all Every character is like this hive mind and they're all well, and that's people And that's where the for me the tedium comes in because that's not what I want, right? You can make an amazing salad, but you don't want that salad in every freaking thing you eat. Well, it depends on how amazing it is Well, I mean if it's like the perfect salad why change it, but no, I know what you mean like after I mean the the the reason why shows And and kind of concepts work overtime is because there's enough variety That you don't get too settled on like oh this movie is just nothing but uh, pensive, you know Pensive staring into each other's, you know, big to a point to a point It's interesting to figure out what that what that line is and it's different for every person because every story follows the same arc Like there is there is a an uber trope of what a story is and the farther it departs from that trope The worst people think the story is But if it's told exactly the same way then yes people are like that's just exactly this this version Of a story so there's like that there's that happy middle grad where they've Given you just enough new ways of telling it, but it's still three-act structure conflict overcoming, etc and I think um It's not even that you know a formula is the problem It's when And I know that you know a lot of times art is made where it's like it's not necessarily reflecting how humans actually are It's art. Yeah, but when it's sort of like oh, this is an unrealistic way That someone would you know get through this conflict, you know and sort of this back and forth thing Where yeah, I think somebody used the word precious earlier. It's like It's just you know, you kind of want to use it sparingly rather than build your entire empire around that The biggest problem Sarah nothing to do with that, but um, you know the movie lady bird That has like a hundred percent on rotten tomatoes, right? Nobody hates that movie I didn't hate it, but I watched it and I was like Hey, never need to watch that again. Wait, it didn't it didn't totally define your childhood Not at all. No, uh, I mean, I don't know like she's from Sacramento. So the northern california thing, I guess Well, I didn't even I didn't realize I didn't I haven't I I haven't seen the movie That was just like the rap of like every every woman that I've talked to about lady bird is like Oh my god, it's amazing. It defines my relationship me too Especially women who are like wow and I mean just like the you know the the relationship that a young lady has with their mother Or I'm like, you know a lot of that. I mean, it's weird like what Tom was saying It's true for other people than you know yourself for example My background in history would would fall along the lines of fresh off the boat like because my dad bought a restaurant That's her steak and seafood moved to a town that was like 95 percent white But like my my experience in you know, valued system is totally different and it evolved in an entirely separate way Like I just sure exactly. Yeah, where someone would be like, oh, you must love that show and you're like I hate that show. Really. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's all about where your head's at What you've been thinking and your experiences. It's not just one thing The problem sara though is that when you visit brian brushwood and you will And you get into his jeep You will not have that gilmore girls feeling of love that I have kind of creepy What does that? I don't understand the reference being because hilariously brian bought the exact same jeep that The main character in gilmore girls drives around like on purpose or no I want the gilmore girls option package a specific type of jeep. I mean, there are a lot of jeeps out there No, it's a it's a it's a classic red jeep. Oh, okay. I see see again. Don't even know the reference I'm like, hi, it is brian. That's what i'm saying. That's what's so sad You'll get in it and you won't be able to give him a hard time and he'll Lost on me. I know that um, you know, the daughter was one of the girls and uh, the sisterhood of the traveling pants Yeah, well, you know, I mean, I'm not totally in the dark Rory her name is rory rory, right? Yeah, she's really cute and um And she's also in handmade still Oh gosh, that's true. Yes. Blessed be the fruit Fruit open or whatever, uh under his eye certainly, uh I'll say the one thing I will say about marvel's mrs. Maisel that I did really enjoy compared to other Amy Sherman already know Works is that I think she is at her best when her plot Or her I forget which one it is story or plot the one where things are happening like and like the characters are kind of constantly Things are happening to the characters and they are moving and changing and not just a bunch of let me talk about my Feelings and that I think is is sometimes she is so in love with her dialogue that right like the cerebral Kind of stuff gets tiresome. Yeah, it's like, oh, well now I'm going to talk about my feelings at a coffee shop Now I'm going to talk The dmv and now I'm going to run into somebody at the coffee shop after the dmv that it is going to talk about my feeling I mean, I also you know, I mean I cried alone. Well, I wasn't alone I had my cats with me almost worse, but you know watching a ghost story last night like Crocodile tears, so it's like, you know, I don't know. I don't know anything. What I love great series What I love right now is that Justin robert young. Yeah is defending mrs. Maisel Uh, I and the gilmore girls fan sure sarah Is the hater of those two Yeah, and roger doesn't like fresh off the boat like we're just busting stereotypes all over the place all over all over Sarah didn't like ladybird. I didn't hate it and I don't want to get your emails about that actually I do Oh, yeah, all right. I'm light them on fire light them up. No, no, but but I'm gonna go away I've just had I I've had a lot of people just be like what's wrong with you I mean, I still watch this is us and I think that's jess not Oh my god, yeah, I have never watched a single episode of this is us Those commercials like every episode seems like it's a very special episode where all the characters are gonna everything looks like That's only because every episode is Justin. Yeah, and I would say this is us is It's a good show, but schmaltzy But tom loves it If I would have you know, if someone would have been like, hey, I'll bet you a hundred dollars Like how does tom merit feel about the show? I'd be like, I don't know Based on their promos for that show. It's like 90 schmaltz. Listen. You can't base it on the promos I saw the promos and thought I don't know looks pretty schmaltzy, but it's interesting casting We'll try it and I love it big big big Mandy morphine. You're No, uh morphine of uh, of um, um, Milo actually, you know, because he was in gundam girls Let's not talk about and heroes Um, is that who that is? Yeah, peter patrelli didn't even realize that um, yeah, well again and you know Don't hate that show just not my number one Well, you've watched a few episodes of this is us. It sounds like I've watched the first like two seasons. Oh, okay. So you watched you've watched a bunch I don't watch like when they come out I'm like again, like I don't watch tv when it's airing So it's like, I don't even know what like what channel that show is on or anything I I see it when I see it But I I watch them and I don't dislike them I think it's actually it's uh, that you know well layered show and there's a lot of stuff that you know Where I'm like, it's kind of interesting that they're bringing this up But there's schmaltz You know, just my only relationship with Romeo is football promos promos on NBC football Um, what's his name was uh, snl's latest, uh host sterling sterling tom loves him. Yeah Just such a nice man. He is he is Uh, he was actually really funny since we're since we're talking about it. Uh Eileen got to meet Mandy and Milo Uh and Justin the from this is us At south by southwest and Milo playfully grabbed her phone and took a selfie It was a heartwarming moment made me cry like playfully as as opposed to aggressively Yes, definitely, you know something that could be, you know, no, no It was definitely like, you know, she was starting to hand it to him for the selfie and he's just like pop ha ha Okay, let's take a real one. Oh, well That's I mean, hey, that's fun Those are the um south by southwest moments we all live for Yeah, I didn't go to south by southwest. I keep trying to emphasize this I went to brian's house Yes, I was in austin during south by southwest The closest I came to going to south by southwest was going to the night attack show Which was at least downtown, but I never set foot in the convention center. I didn't have a badge I didn't get to meet tim cook or elan musk or not tim cook, uh beddy q Or tim cook. Yeah, he wasn't there either He went to brian's as well um, I You know the last time I was there during south by southwest was 2015 and I mean I hadn't had a badge or gone to a panel For a few years I think Like the first time I went it was like all panels and then the second year was like Hey, no, you can't go do them all, you know pick pick a few, you know, you know friends of mine who were speaking or whatever I'm actually never spoken on a panel and then as it went on it was like, uh, huge hassle Don't even go to the convention center and that, you know, just like there's like a few parties that you know Kind of hit and then yeah that last year I went I was like and we talked about this last thursday It was like that this is too hard the whole thing's too hard So I'm with you hang out with your friends who has a gilmore girls Jeep Yeah, keep it simple get some tacos Yeah, and I don't I don't mean to say that I don't mean to sound like I hate him hating on south by or something Or it's a badge of honor I just don't want people to feel like oh tom does dts. He obviously went to all these panels I've been reading about tom. What did you think? I don't want people to have that misimpression All right, any last words to our youtube audience before I stop the stream Oh, you're the best. Yeah. Hey guys great times Uh, what do you say we meet up the next time that there's a dts? Okay, cool All right, see you then