 Big shit, huh, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it. It's the unique hustle. It's your boy, E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Ms. Jamaica. What's going on? None, none of you know my dad, what's going on? Man, hey man, today is a, hey, this is the day that the Lord has made our rejoicing. Be glad in it. I like to start off like that, man. We got two esteemed guests here today, man. These guys, man, they really don't need no introduction. They've been here before, man. They actually pushed my numbers up a lot when they was here last time. The number went crazy. One of them told me, don't change nothing, leave it like that. I said, okay, I'ma leave it like that. But man, we got Melvin Farman and a Tola Marv in the building. Tola Marv. Man, I am Tola. That's right. Man, you know, man, you know, when we did that last interview, man, hey man, when y'all was together here, that was a crazy time when I still got, people call, that interview is the most viewed on our channel by far. Well, there's one more that I do from country one and Michael Bless. But other than that, them two right there went crazy just like Melvin said. Melvin's out, I was like, man, messed up my whole interview, man. I said, we've both been doing it. Melvin walked like, leave it alone. When you put it out, it's gonna even do better. I felt that that was real reality TV that it should have been shown how it was. And they take the contents. It was really, you know, you hear people say, like, I heard the person say, oh, Snoop was disrespectful, Crip walking at the thing, but by the same token, what happened there was just an aberration. But it did bring awareness and openly created opportunities for everybody involved. Right, because when we came together, nobody knew that that was gonna happen. Some people might've had a feeling, but we came with genuine hearts hoping that we could all come together to resolve something. That was the main purpose for that meeting. Well, at the end of the day, when you really think about it, just the fact that, you know, man, you, Melvin keeps saying, I hear him campaigning everywhere, be like, I told you either come to me first, I'd be like, man, I just don't feel like this dude was not, was gonna, you know what I mean? Now, because. At some point, this conversation was not gonna be something where people were gonna just talk. I didn't feel that way. What did you think? I was hoping. Now, but we didn't come in here with no ego. If you remember, Charleston White set the video up for us to come here. Correct, but when I told the one over there and said what he said at the first, so when you go back and look at my before, I knew that kinda threw my mold off because he walked over there and you said something to him. You remember that? Yeah. And when you said that, he was like, we'll just talk about it on thing. And it was like, at that point, I'm like, well, this is kind of wild. I saw his vibe changed a little bit at that point. So, but at the end of the day, do you feel like it accomplished anything? And I'll go to you first with y'all doing the interview here with Charles. Yeah, it accomplished a lot, but it really showed where a person's heart was like I told another brother that dude is not a person that is in a position or has any desire to debate. He likes to dictate. So he has no podcast he ever did that he dealt with somebody that had a counterpoint to what he says. He's so used to running his mouth and saying what he say and letting it go. Mob James couldn't out talking. Cash Jones, Black 100 could not talk him, but he brought some people that really was intellectually way over the top of him. He wouldn't go have it. Wow. You, when you spoke Melvin Farmer, everybody, but you seen Carlos Miller came on here the other day, he say, I'm gonna say this, it ain't gonna be no rebuttal. He was, you can tell he watched that over and over again. And he's like, I'm gonna come in there like that old nigga did, when he come in. You see that one? I mean, he talked about that all the time. Just the way, just the way how he spoke about it, your song, your everything, it's the one that nobody came up with shirts that have all of that. They have it at, in fact, we're starting to mark it. There'll be no debates, tough, I don't drink. The mugs, the mugs. Yeah, T-shirts, there'll be no debates, cause as you see, as we go further along in our endeavors on social media, whatever, whether it be art or video or print, a lot of times this really isn't no debate because we're stating facts as opposed to a lie. And those two conversations can never coexist, a lie and the truth. So a lot of people think in us, cause if you remember, I said, I wasn't even getting up there to survive. Yeah. Y'all pulled me up. Yeah, yeah. I told you, open it up. And this ain't just me happening more. I remember we went against the Chronicle and we had to tell them how to open it up with one line. We always tell somebody, cause you can't know what our life is. So we'll point you in the right direction like when we did against the Chronicle. They couldn't figure it out. I just start off, say, take us back to 1971. Any shows we do, you'll see with something where we don't script it to open it up to get it to where we go. So a lot of people had that interpretation or feelings that we was coming there to, you got to remember, me and him were still friends at that time. Right. Yeah. Still talking at that time. Well, that's the way I even met you was through Charleston Way. I tell people that all the time. They're like, oh, it was a narrative being thrown. Like I just brought y'all down here to sit something up and it wasn't even like that. We had already met in LA. But people don't realize, I put Charleston White in the game and brought him breath from 2018 when he was a fan to come meet me. Charleston never was gangbanging. You think Charleston could come to Atrey Park and say he's from a rolling 60 to me? No, I'm gonna, immediately, I'm gonna say here, you called him, but that's for us to go on. He never was a gang. So a lot of times, the narratives that you're hearing because they're one-sided conversations, you don't hear the other side. And I don't think that's fair when it comes to accountability and reporting on these podcasts as to where people can say stuff and things and slander your name and try to change your legacy. But then they don't get the chance or the opportunity. Why say cheese ain't got us on this show? Why Vlad ain't got us on this show? Because it will kill off that shit. They don't want the truth to be heard. And that's a problem. Why we got to go through that? We paid our dues. We paid them. One thing I've been very, very curious about because y'all are from two different walks of life, two different sides, I should say, but you are both campaigning together. Because when you think about Paru, which you say is not a part of the Bloods, but, and then you have the Crips. When you see the different cliques or the different gangs, they're total opposites. They're usually rivals. They're not usually people that are together doing things together, but you are breaking that mode. How can you do that without the younger people looking at you like you betraying us? But it's not a betrayal when we're in a position that we understand we got more in common than we got apart. Me and Melvin have been through too much on our own sides. We got people in Paru's that don't like me. Paru's that hate me, but we keep striving. So when you understand, now all my homies like him, you know what I'm saying? It won't be no debate, man. We're that old nigga more. And then I go to lowrider meetings and this and I got Crips that walk over me. Oh gee, I like your interview. So we're bridging a gap that as black grown men, these youngsters are seeing like them. I got more Crips that come to me and embrace me in LA that I have Paru's and Bluthers. Wow. A lot of my own people be holding they nuts like I ain't never said nothing. Wow. Oh, that's just more, man. You know? That's crazy. I see other dudes that don't know me from sixties, from eight trade from that. Hey, I told them, man, I seen you up. I mean, I don't even know where these people come from. Where did we grow up from? And I'm like, man, no, I've seen you in Big Melvin do this and do that. And it's a testimony that man that you didn't reach these dudes, these real dudes that's in the street. We don't walk with bodyguards. We don't walk with it. We don't be in it. We be in the hood every day. I roll the streets so lo-bo-lo. Because when it's my turn, they say your arms are too sharp to box with God. I believe in that. Can't nothing happen to me until he say so. No, that's real. And is it the same for you as well? Well, when it comes to me and more relationship, a lot of guys, the younger ones, because they come in, Crip on Crip, Blood on Blood. So it ain't that hard to phantom a Crip in the blood because of how the allies and structures are being made, the way you have interactions among others that wouldn't otherwise talk. But in reality, this creates the opportunity to where they side and it creates where we can create dialogue amongst war and factions. And also this is where money doesn't count in the streets. You've seen so many people get counted taking out in the streets. It's where you'll respect your responsibilities where we get that respect because we played the game within the rules of which the game is played. We are names that's solid. We never faltered, never did nothing scandalous. I never had a scar, a gunshot wound, stabs, none of that, and it's because of the way we move. So at the end of the day, a lot of kids look up to us because not only have we lived this life, we've changed our life. And if we can do it, then quite naturally, you should be able to do it. That's true. I think that's powerful, man. And that's something I believe I mentioned until I told them when we were talking one time, I told them it's just a big statement that when you see y'all in the presence, y'all bring on social media, it's the thing that where it shows unity as well if you really look at what's going on, you know what I mean? And then the things that you portray for all of the stuff for is just trying to deal with hidden corners and deal with the different, you know, bridging all the different gaps with the entertainers and stuff like that, that stuff matters, man. And then you see so many of them pretty much, I wouldn't say targeted, they go through a lot. I put it like that, because you hear it in the news all the time where they didn't hit a bump in the road. And I always tell people, people don't really go by what you say much as they go by what you do, you know what I mean? So I think that's something that really sticks out for me. But you guys came down here, I wanna thank y'all first of all, when y'all left here, my wife gave y'all them shirts and y'all wore them on Camp Capone. Man, thank y'all so much, bro. You know what I'm saying? Cause we just, you know, that we really were, we just was starting, you know what I'm saying? Really just getting started. I had Melvin on Vera early, you know, when I came to LA, I was just trying to get it going. And then when y'all left here, and Melvin told me, I told y'all was like, man, I told like, man, we gonna wear those shirts, man. I was like, cause it was like, man, you know, just to represent the brand the correct way. Cause y'all actually mentioned Charleston wearing it and it was random to something you did. And you remember that? And I say, man, no, I say we give shirts to, we gonna put them on ourselves. Cause it helps create a narrative of balance. You know what I mean? For my five part, for me. What about you? Same. But I got another. You didn't upgrade them too. I know, we got designer folks out there. That's her, man. And I have a new design coming out soon too. Oh, the part like this. Thank y'all so much. But going back to y'all's togetherness, who came up with the idea of bridging the gap when y'all first got together and started this journey? Melvin. How did that? Okay. Melvin called me. Me and Melvin had met a couple of times before doing some intervention at some schools. And I'd first met him when he got out and he wrote his book. And I had his book and, you know, I'd seen him. And we did a thing and he called me and like, man, we need to get together and go out here to Ohio. And just we've been... Rolling, you know what I'm saying? How did you come up with that? Now, well, me and Sean Stevenson, Mr. and the Violence, congratulations on your, he just got a grant for his program, Sustainability, which started in 2016 where we was working with Homeland Security and other agencies, government, but they in the intervention and prevention. And a lot of people don't know that if you don't win Ohio, you do not become president. So that's where the power brokers play. So Sean was dealing with the safety director and one day me and Sean had a conversation and a vision about... This was after the 100 days, 100 nights, 2015. And we was thinking, what can we do to bridge the gap and stop the violence? So we wrote a letter to Obama that was sent by a attorney that was with the Rainbow Coalition back in the days. And so me and Sean say, well, I'm gonna pick two guys and you're gonna pick two guys that are made because have a six. So at the beginning, Sean picked King Tone of the Latin Kings and Antonio Testra from the Luciano Gambino crime family whose father in jail for 51 murders for the Luciano Gambino crime family out of New York. So he picked them two. And initially, Mar was my number one pick as far as the blood. Then I picked Fred Hampton, Jr. out of Chicago because that's my boy. So I got Fred Hampton. So we got King Tone, Antonio Testra from Luciano. You got I told them all from Peru. You got Chairman Fred Hampton from Triple C's. You got Melvin Forman from Crips and you got Sean Stevenson from the fact Billy Mobb. And they didn't believe that we could come together because at this time, don't forget, the Latin Kings are still doing what they're doing in records in New York. So there hadn't been no integrate in a meeting with the blacks. So that was a bridge that was gap. So I say, well, let's put a conference call together and get a meeting, I agree, and T. Rogers's on there, but it started getting political, racial and political. And I had told Sean, I think Mar should be the one that go. And then they've seen that didn't work again. Mar came in and we've been doing that. We worked and did the program for the mayor again. Third, then we got certified. My mayor of Boreal out of, what's that, Washington, DC? Then we met Victoria Pratt. She's an attorney out of New Jersey. We work with Karen Bass. We work with Camilla Harris. Clinton Lacey? Clinton Lacey that ran the department of correction. We work with Mayor Como. We had did some work with Colin Kaepernick and they, yeah, we had a program that we had, I did for this program called Think Twice about what you're doing like. It's on that committee with him, with Pat Robertson that hosts 197 Hot 97, the third-rated show in New York. So that's how we got involved. A lot of people just like I gave Charleston White, I can pick talent. And I give them an opportunity to let their voices be heard. And then I just move on. So that's how that come about. Do you think that, because now it's just two of you, I know you started out with six, do you think you'll ever go back to try to bridge more of the gap with the other groups again? Because everybody's seeing how well. I mean, it's not just the six. We in the vision, we from the West Coast. Oh, okay. So you still have everybody? Yeah, we're still in communication with most of them. We're incredible messengers. No, this is a government-run program that's run by the feds. In fact, we get black-balled a lot because we don't play both sides of the fence to where we're the first credible messengers ever west of the Mississippi. But yet their fit of change and started a credible messenger in LA with what, a $113 million budget or something? Why me and Mar aren't there as instructors or something because we've already been certified. Nobody's west of the Mississippi or before us. But that's how this game is played when it comes to politics. There are a lot of times we are black-balled for a lot of things because we won't play both sides of the fence. Yeah, because we mainly see you two in the public eye. We're not seeing everybody else. Well, he said chairman for him. Except from chairman, yeah. No, it's a lot of it, but we don't do it. Our boots to the ground when the camera's not around. Okay. See, we don't have to, because really it won't be publicized when y'all sit up and hear these people with this dialogue and contents over the internet. Most of them have no vested interest or no impact on the things that they're talking about. They can't even walk the community. So a lot of times here, y'all don't get no call when it comes to real intervention to where somebody just got killed at 1133 on a Saturday. You get a call that say, yo man did this. That's intervention. But you can't do that on no public platform. So a lot that you see, that's just a shell of what's really going on. And a lot of times it hinders the progress that we're making because there's a contradictory. You got these lip boxes, tongue wrestlers and verbal gymnastics going on in one arena. Then you got the quiet ones where we're doing the work and doing what we're doing across the nation. But we don't seek no validation in what we're doing. We get it from knowing and seeing the smile on the child face or mother's tear or where we're doing it. We got an innocent project that we're doing to where people are talking about, oh, they have to Charleston White. It could have been Charleston White, Berry White or Betty White, whoever name is on these documentaries, documents that got this young man life locked up. We're fighting for him. And we got more than one. I brought two of them. We do them in Alabama. We got another life case. We got a case in New Jersey where a little kid, 17-year-old, facing the death penalty way, put out a blunt cigarette and burnt and killed his grandfather and grandmother. And so we try to provide a legal expertise to where we're doing these appeals. That's $10,000 just to get started. We don't do that. We give you a lower rate, but we give you just as much quality. We just not eligible because of our records and we're on paperwork where we can be really certified as lawyers or investigators or paralegals, but we just can't get it. But actually, we are. We're very deadly. Well, you definitely call to a people. I know I call when my cousin's boyfriend had gotten shot up and I called you on the phone and just the conversation of hearing you, the way you talk to him, all that's counseling to be honest with you because a lot of people can't have them conversations. Like what you said to him wouldn't have never been something I would have related to, but what you said was things that would have made him, it would have pricked his spirit and like what you're doing ain't nothing that ain't been done, you know what I mean? And pretty much let him know, you know, because what was me is the attitude you might take if you don't know. And then he didn't know who I was calling when he found out who it was, he fanned out. You know what I'm saying? Like, man, I can't believe that, man, you know he put me on. But it's the fact that you've been shot three times, you know what I mean? You land in a hospital bed, any little inspiration at that point is a hell of inspiration, you know what I mean? So I didn't even see that coming but it's certain things like that, that you can't make up. You know what I'm saying? So I appreciate you, man, for sure. You know what I'm saying? That's why I called Miss with you sometime and be like, man, what about this? So what about that? Because at the end of the day, if it's something that we can do, you know what I mean? You know, our podcast is here to help, you know what I'm saying? Definitely want to see you guys. Where y'all going with this next, man? You know, I know Carlos Miller want y'all on 85 South, he said it on this show. DC Fly been calling my all boys, them, Rio and Shotgun and them and we just waiting on Mr. Miller to make the call. You know, we feel that your word, it's your bond. And this go for Say Cheese, Vlad TV, a lot of them don't want you on there because they don't want the truth to come out because of the saturation of a lot of misconceptions and it had changed the flow of the game. So all of them need to be held accountable. You know, we hear people slander people, we hear people talk, we hear people doing this. Let's bring and see what we really bring to the table to where we don't need to hit out your mouth. We need to see what you bring into the table when the camera's not around. Yeah, I heard you say something. I heard you say. I was just about. Go ahead, you won't go ahead. I'm gonna let you go. I was just about to say when you're talking about the different shows and everything, y'all were on Adam's show? Oh yeah, Adam 22. Adam 22? No jumper. Shout out no jumper. I heard you say, because we were watching and I am like, he said no good eat. And I'm like, what do you mean by that? I don't know why he called me out. That was you, man. You, man. Yes, you did. You said no good eat. You said no good eat. Oh, if I did say that, I don't mean it like. No good eat. I mean, it probably was in the time of something like if he didn't listen to me. It went out when I said it got no me on it. Wouldn't have happened. But now I don't look at no interview or nothing. It'll be like you doing a robbery and then blaming the DA that's prosecuting it for him prosecuting you when you're at that. I don't even know about it. Two or three people called me about it. Man, I thought you were mad when it was free. It is cool. So let's get it right. I just talked to him. I said, I didn't talk to him. Why don't you know? I don't know, man. No good. You didn't hear Big D, Big D just said it wasn't. It was talking about, he was, you were talking about what happened on the show. When I didn't talk to you first. That's what I meant. But I didn't mean like it was nothing. But I already, if they came to me first cause I was sitting way back there and I said, Marv been writing notes. See people didn't know Marv had a book where he was going to ask questions. But I had told Charleston ahead of time, bro, outside. Don't get on here. And the people you met through me talking about fucking them in front of my face. I told him that. So he going to come with that King shit or Third Island shit. And that's how they went. But I didn't even want to go on the show. You called me up there. I said, open the show with me. That way I could have said Charleston. Marv got this here. These are just questions and answers. Y'all can talk. But it ain't going to be no disrespect. None of that. Let's just talk. And that would have set the ground rules. But you didn't come. No, I didn't come to you first. You went to him and that's how that shit went. But you know the thing about it. Like I said, when we first started, I didn't see that coming with it. When I told the one over there and talked to him and they say them a few words. It's on camera because I put it out. Yeah, but I mean it wasn't, I said a few words. Everybody was introduced. I didn't know dude. No, yeah, that's what it was. Marv never let it. I said, I never, you said, whoa. I thought Charleston. Yeah, and then I went over and I said, hey, how you doing, bro? He like, yeah. And he says, well, what is it about? I said, I just want to holler at you about what you said about Bunturell. Whatever you and Mob James had, Compton has a certain feeling about it. He said, we'll talk about it later, bro. And that's when he sat down and he went on his rant. See, I didn't introduce Marv to his so-called wife because I know that wasn't his wife. Who did you think it was? That was back there in the back. That's not his wife. Then who is his wife? Probably the police. That's why he got to walk there. That's not his wife. His wife was white. No, that wasn't his wife. That wasn't his wife. I know, the white woman wasn't his wife. Right, but that lady there. That's his wife now. Yeah, that's his wife now. Because you're talking about, the prostitute. I don't know about that. She was a prostitute. I know definitely she was a prostitute and the dude that he was supposed to be pimping took her and dropped it. When he talking about all this, he need to go get a DNA test on them kids because they're not his. So that's what he come to. He was a dope dealer, he got robbed. He was a pimp and they took his hoe and she left the two kids on the doorstep. Then he got this lady here and that's who's taking care of them. Once again, I'm gonna speak for myself. I know Charleston since 2018. I don't know every girl he don't had, every kid, him, Joe Blow that stopped sick. And that is not the woman that I met all the way up to prior. That ain't the woman he introduced to me prior to seeing her that first day. So I was skeptical when he said, oh, this is my wife, this is your wife. And you ain't never been with her, you ain't seen her, you still ain't seen her. But just for me, that's why I didn't introduce her tomorrow because I don't know about whatever the other stuff, but me speaking for myself and what I know, that it's not only seen him with one woman and that's what's put three or four at 2018, 19, about three years. So that kind of put me off as far as really being aware of where we at and don't go too far with it. And we never came there to get no violence and nothing more. I sat there with Mar. Mar wrote letters and notes for three days about all kind of stuff that he had written. He just did that and took it drama. And then when he went outside, he know he could just leave without us having some type of understanding. So he going, he coming, he going, he coming. And I'm just telling him, you better come on back. And then that's when we talked and I told him basically still sharp and still, young man. But you don't run now, you ain't got it like that. A lot of people wanted to know what happened when you said, hey! I went outside, yeah, I went outside. Give me a minute! Did a lot of people ask you? Everybody can ask me what happened to me, but I was like, I don't know. And I said, y'all got to watch. I'm telling you what happened outside that. He kept going right down at that end, going in, out, jumping back and forth. He see me telling him to come back like this, but he know if you leave and we ain't got no resolution, it's on on site. So when he came back and I say, bro, still sharp and still. I say, you put me in a position where you met people through me and you talking about them. I told you, you can't do that. So all this shit where people thinking people mad, because he talking about Chris now, they ain't got nothing to do with it. He got in the game through me and the people you talking about, you met through me. He don't know Nipsey also. I took him to that concert. He don't know nothing about nobody he talked to. Me and Marv talked to anybody on the internet. I don't give a damn, it's Jay-Z, Puff Daddy, or anybody else. We got action to that because we're fabrics of that community and we have a vested interest. So at the end of the day, we never had nothing. I don't want to see nobody be hurt because that'd be contradictory. To what you guys said. When you pick and choose West on these internet, y'all pick and choose your heroes. Then when your heroes turn out to be zeros, you got a problem. No. That ain't out of game though. Wow. Man, just definitely, I think man, one of the greatest things that doesn't happen for the platform is we got to meet you guys, man. Y'all come down, we always have a good time. People didn't realize it, we ate after that. Then we sat in there and ate and we, we sat there and ate and everything else that day, man. We stayed up late that night just eating and talking. And we always, we go old school, telephone, telling niggas. We don't go on the internet to talk shit. We go and we talk every morning. Marv might have the breakfast club. I call you at six. We sit and we just talk. In fact, we're talking about starting a show once weekly where we do a fact check on the information that's been told over the internet. And we just bring a fact check. Oh, that's true. Oh, that ain't true. I see so much stuff on live though. So would that be on your podcast that you would be having? That's what we want to do a fact check. That's real. To where we don't have no bias opinion. We're just unbiased, urban analysts that look at the facts and we check. Like I hear a story about Big U got caught with two guns. I hear that all over the internet and they was found that it's home. But I was there when the two guns was found. And they wasn't found that it's home. Fact check. Fact check. Them guns was found in a commercial building because I just had one over there. Me, Big U, Bear Claw, Money, Mike, the Rest in Peace and the Reverend. All of them were rolling 60s, but a murder had occurred. See, that's what I'm talking about where you won't hear shit. And I'm just sharing this story. But a murder had occurred. Where I had wrote the press release. I knew the family, the victim, the mother, the victim since he'd been born. In fact, it's the red shoe murder. Went over 20 million views since we talking about views. And they bragging about that little shit. So anyway, we having the conversation but something told me this building might be Mike because of the activity going on with certain individuals. So every time I'm there, you heard me say, but mm-mm, mm-mm, that's all I kept saying. Next kept saying, what's wrong with you? But something told me don't open my mother fucking mouth. The next day is when they ran in there because they had Mike up under surveillance, FBI. In fact, they was instilling the indictment. So when you hear about Big U, got caught with two guns. That wasn't Big U. That was found in a whole nother building. But on the internet, he got this. See, it's a lot of things that are a contradictory to what's really going on in life. The way you get a one-sided view of it. And like I say, we think that the internet need to be held more accountable. You might need to put a disclaimer out there that saying some of the contents of this show could be false or fake stitches. Instead of putting it out there like everything that's there is the gospel truth when it's not. But in fact, a lot of podcasts, a lot of shows, period, that is how it is because when a person comes on, unless you just went and hired an investigator and check every single person's story that comes on your show, there's no way you're gonna know that everything that they're saying is 100% true because I'm not saying it's a lie because we both can go somewhere and experience an event. And I come back and say it to you in one way and he comes back and say it to you in another way. And neither one of us is telling a lie but it's how we perceive that truth. You see what I mean? So it just- But now, when you usually get paid to go on anything that usually a disclaimer. Right. You getting paid to go on the internet. So that mean I don't been on shows where they don't say it, just say anything. Crazy to get the views. But I won't do it. So once again, you might have them that does that but still there have to be some type of accountability particularly when you're slandering people names and telling lies and then they don't get to tell their side of the story. Exactly. That's not cool. Yeah, no, that's definitely not cool. Yeah. No man, thank you guys. Man, do you get- On the pocket, on that psych check, and what I had in my mind, are you gonna only be dealing with current events or you'd be dealing with just everything? Information in general. Information in general. Information all about life. Okay. I don't know what they're doing in Beverly Hills and I don't care. But what's happening in our environment and what brought it up to happening in our environment sometimes people have to know. Okay. And not just the internet per se for hip hop, we got ideas for, say during a lot of times we don't see a lot of black baseball players. But our theory is because of these inner cities and these pockets of poverty where they're spending so much money on basketball, that's during the winter, football during the winter, baseball is summer. We feel that by then the money has dried up. So they got the RBI league but when I grew up I played sports all my life. We had inner city businesses. McDonald's would sponsor the Cardinals, you win, you get a hamburger, fries and a Coke, they buy the uniform and boys market. You had people that were in the community that would take back and recycle the money you'd spend in it towards the youths but what has happened over the years and because of evolution, now you got all the businesses that are owned in the inner city or by Koreans, whites or Latinos or something and that money's not circulating, it goes back outside. Whereas we're spending our money on design and clothes and jeans, we're not creating where the money stays. So we feel that a lot of these businesses should be given some type of contribution back to the community to help the youths like they used to on the west side of town. Wow, it's just so much history with you guys, man. And even with the stuff that we've done today, you know it's like, I tell people when they get ready to interview, I'm like, y'all not gonna, you're not gonna get everything. Ain't no way in hell you gonna get, you might scratch the surface of anything but these guys are not the same as just interviewing because of the history that they've held and the things that you guys have been through. You know what I mean? And definitely we understand that, especially not even being brought up in a lot of the time of the culture and the places that you guys have been as well we come up from two different sides of the world but y'all not only did y'all come up on different sides but hell y'all been everywhere. You're everywhere. You go everywhere. You been everywhere. If I say Louisiana, oh man Marvin, I was over in such and such. I be like, damn, I ain't been over there. You know what I mean? It's just because you got- You can say Jamaica. You can say, oh no, there she go. I've been to Jamaica. I've been to 40 states of the United States and five foreign countries. What place haven't you been? Have you been to Dubai yet? I haven't been to Dubai. Okay. Yeah. When I seen Dubai it was dirt land. Right. Or money made it a metropolis. It is, that's the new place that everybody wants to go right now, Dubai. We ready to shut it down. Man, you guys did a great job man. Thank y'all for coming on the show man. We love you guys man. It's always a pleasure and an honor just to even be able to sit on an August panel like this. It's an honor for us to come and eat the Queens food. Yes, we don't eat good. And we want to thank everybody and support us and hear what we got to say. Everybody's trying to get back to the community to make it to where a child doesn't go to the things we had to go through to where we can give it a better day and make our people proud man. That's all we're trying to do. Man, man, appreciate you so much man. I want to give a shout out on a project that we're on. Okay. About the brother Antoine Doolittle. Okay. And what Melvin was displaying. Okay. All the work that we're doing. Okay. What you got there? This is, this is a. Take a picture of it. Our app, this is what we're trying to do now. Antoine's been locked up since 1991. It says Melvin and Atola Marv. Dollar sign gangster legal. Okay. He said legal consultants. Yeah. If everybody pitch in a dollar, we can do a lot with one dollar. Turn into that camera as well. We can do a lot with a dollar. Yeah. This we were discussing about. And that's his picture on the top? This is Rachelle McGee. Okay. One of the oldest convicts in California state prison. He's been down since 1960. How does he? He's 84 now. Wow. He's been in solitary confinement since 1966. Solidary confinement? He was with George Jackson and Sam Quentin. He's one of the solid dad brothers. He was with George's brother, Jonathan, when they got shot at the Marin County shootout 1970. And he was shot 33 times. And the Department of Correction says as long as Rachelle McGee is alive, he'll never let him out of the hole. Wow. You know, this guy came from, it's so amazing. Me and my father were coming down Central Avenue. And it was a club called the Five Four Ballroom. And these police had this guy up against the car. My pop stop and said, you all right, bruh? This and this and that. They said, well, we're gonna let him go, right? And a little while later, my grandmother was friends with Jimmy Smith, Onion Field Killers. Yeah, Onion Field Killers. Onion Field Killers. And we went down to court and I see this guy again, 1961, him and George Jackson. Turn around in 1972, I go to Sam Quentin and I meet him again. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So it shows you how life turns around. And this brother, Antoine Doolittle, he was 15 at the time his crime was committed. Not saying whether he did it or he did, but the logistics of what America says that a child's brain does not mature until they're 20 and he does not have reasoning until he's 26. That's for white people. All the depressions that black children have to go through. I got stuff on DPSS, I mean, a post-mortem, what the tragedies that happened with a child. And if he had a been a white child killed a black man, he went to a mental institution. The white boy that shot Ronald Reagan never went to prison, he went to a crazy house. Sandy Elizabeth. And was out on weekends. So it's such a disparity here. It says in the state of Texas, black children go to prison 56 times more than white children. Right. And you're ain't but 12% of the population. Wow. So it says it's such a disparity that we allow to happen to our children. I guarantee you, his jury didn't comprise a black's juries of your peer. One of the networks for Antoine. How can you stop it? Well, actually, this is like this Charleston white paperwork. To where we hear Charleston say, Charleston white turned state's evidence 30 days after he was incarcerated. But we're here on the internet, oh, I killed a white man. That's not what you said at that jury when they asked you who killed Michael Levy. You pointed at Antoine Doolittle and said, that man in that great suit. You go on the internet and you say, oh, my mama got me a lawyer, my mama. And we went but on this paperwork it was a public defender. When you were 14, 30 days later, you turned state's evidence and said you will testify. So Charleston white never was arrested for murder. In fact, if you look at the transcripts, you hear him slip and say, when he first come to testify. And by the way, they didn't know all three of them had agreed it was for them where they all agreed that they would take the film. But Charleston white already had took a deal and didn't tell them. So one of them had to take 99 years. But when you look at this affidavit, this transcript, you don't see Charleston white as a defendant. You see Antoine Doolittle. Charleston never was going to prison. Nobody never talked for him at that Texas commission to stop him where he say, oh, they felt I was doing that ain't how that went. So what we're doing here and just to let you know this is not the only case. This is another case we're doing of another man who've been in jail 29 years for murder in Salma, Alabama. So we're not just talking about, this has to be, like I say, it could be Betty White, Charleston White, or Berry White. Whoever names are in this paper are subject to being a defendant or a party to this complaint. The same way with this one. So we're not picking and choosing. And it's not just limited to those. You might be adding more as time goes on. We have more. That's, our goal right now is for brothers or youngsters that are incarcerated and you don't have the legal acumen that we can reach out and give them some kind of assistance. Because all these projects they pick and choose who they want to represent, who they don't want to represent. We got a gangster legal aid. We're legal consultants. And out of 25 years, I know the law. I know how to go to prison, you understand? It don't take no Einstein to get there. You know how to go in there, but how do you get out? Because like I said earlier, one thing about playing the game until you know the rules, you can play all day and don't know the rules and everything you do is a file. But we're in a position when they make a file on you, we can go in the book and find out that's an error. There's always an error in law because we're talking about telling the truth. That's the loophole. In the court system, it's not about the truth. It's about the facts. The facts don't make it the truth, are they? Or it's not even always about the fact it's reasonable doubt. Well, beyond the reasonable doubt, it's how you make it right. But that's on a state level. You got two different levels. You got state where it's beyond a reasonable doubt or whatever then you got where with the federal level you have to show basically what intent more or conspiracy or something of that nature as opposed to get that. But what's more importantly about me and Marv and others that assist us is you got a lot of innocent projects, a very smirk or whatever that was with OJ that started the first one. But when you look at them, all of them deal with DNA. That's the easy way out where you just go see if the DNA matches or come look at a chain of command. Because you didn't have that back then. No, but the work you have to do here, you have to read every page and look for that one loophole. So it's a different project which most people do not one cannot afford because it's 10,000 or better. But usually they don't want to take the cab because of the groundwork. It ain't like it where you guys got DNA. And then you can say, oh, we got a DNA mismatch. And then you go and present it. But even more than that on what we're working with, if you did it, I'm not trying to say it didn't even happen. But what was your mindset of these children that are in prison that this man was 15, turned 16, now he's 57. What has his life been through? How much trauma has he had to endure? Right. As a young kid, now he's a grown man, been in a cage all this time. So we have other children that are growing up in the system that their parents didn't have no way out. Couldn't afford it, they can't afford food for them. But there's a white law and there's a black law. So we're trying to bridge the gap in getting some of these dudes justice. Right, recently we were interviewing a gentleman, he's called a hood therapist. And a question that I had proposed to him, because when you think about PTSD, back when I was younger, you think about military people, people who went to war, you know, all the things that they saw and they came back and they're getting treatment. But when I started thinking about whether gang members or policemen or those people out there are going through situation, trauma. But these young men, as much as inner city people are seeing people being killed, people right in front of them, they're not getting counseling, they're not getting anybody to help them to say, okay, how do I deal with this? So that's the thing that I look at is like, they have to go through their whole life. And you wonder why they are the way how they are, because they're not being treated mentally, how to deal with this and how to move on to be a better product in society. What you're saying about that, this is a quote from Texas, right? And it says, but it's also found disproportionately youth of color, particularly young black boys, were more likely to receive harsher punishments, even though their offenses didn't increase in severity. What are the biggest challenges facing juvenile justice system right now in 2022, the most common diagnosis is attention deficit, hyperactive disorder, ADHD, learning disabilities, LD, disabilities, DD, conducted disorders, anxiety disorders and post-traumatic stress. So these are the PTSD that you talk about from the war. We get this in the hood. Right, but it's not being treated when you have the vets, they can't help. We have a Senate bill we're trying to introduce that we call, I call ISIS, acronym ICSS, Inner City Stress Center. Well, I believe the conditions that the inner city youths suffer from homelessness, drug addiction, mental health abuse, domestic violence, I think that creates the same situation in mindset as you would be in going to war. And I feel that the inner cities should have the same diagnosis and tests ran on them that they do in the service because they're basically at war on American soil. The things that they see waking up in the morning to a dead body, seeing holes and pimps out at night, seeing your mother a drug addiction, seeing homelessness and all these things, I think they should be compensated as a more innovative, updated way of reparations as opposed to saying what we deserve back then. You don't have to go back then. To me, you can just change the word and start right now. And not only that, but actually have the insurance companies being able to cover it because when you offer this and these people who may not be able to afford it, it's still not gonna help because they can't even afford to go and or, and you are hiring counselors and psychologists to help these people who never been in their situation, don't know what it's like, they're trying to help you from a textbook and not from reality. So a lot of times they don't know how to relate and the people who they're talking to can't relate to them. So they're not really getting the full help that they need. And if we saying that to where they can't relate to them, how you think a lot of these people that they following on the internet with the people on the streets, they ain't gonna be able to relate to them because they got more graduation pictures than mug shots, sorry to say. But in this game, getting killed is a badge of honor. Getting a mug shot is a badge of honor. And if you ain't part of that fraternity, then your words have nothing to do. That'll be like us coming into a swear man's world and telling them what they need to do and we've never experienced it. And that comes from being a careless listener. That's come from what a lot of these people are, are careless listeners. That's why I was impressed with the program that he was putting together because he had been in trouble, went to prison, did all of that sort of stuff. So he understood how to help someone who was going through those instances as well. And I'm sure that there are some counselors out there who's been through trauma, been through things and that's the reason why they become a counselor or a psychologist or just someone who gives back and help. But they're feeling far apart, you just have to find them. Wow, man, thank you guys, man. Hey, man, appreciate you, we love you. And I think we gotta go now. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, what a boss's talk. And we out.