 Okay, am I peaking too much? Let me guys know if I'm too loud or whatever. And we'll adjust things here. Our setup's a little different. I'm gonna have issues with the mics, literally like this entire day. It's really hard recording a video. I had a couple of business meetings earlier today. Yeah, it was, the mics have been causing some problems. So hopefully everything's good. I do look like I'm loud on my end over here, but maybe it's not so loud on your guys' end. I mean, you're loud on my end too. Maybe everything's fine. Eric, why don't you talk? I don't know. I mean, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I should be okay. Everyone says we're good, apparently. Great. How's it going, everyone? Welcome to the Nintendo Prime Podcast, episode 24. I am your host as always, Mr. Nathaniel Robert Jansen, to my left, and your guys' right, the one, the only, Mr. Eric Moore. Hello, everybody. I don't have a cheer button, right? Yeah, you know. I really need to get some sound effects up in here. Yeah, you know, whatever. How are you guys doing? So, first starters, to anyone watching this live, deeply apologize for starting, roughly 30 minutes later than we planned to. You can argue 40. Sometimes we kick off the intro, the 10-minute intro, right on time, sometimes we do it 10 minutes early. Today, we were, I'll say, half hour late start and everything. It is what it is. Things happen. For anyone concerned about my children, I did see a few comments about that, because Yulia told you they're sick. They're fine. They're good. Technical difficulties, other things behind the scenes. We're all here. We're ready to rock. Let's get this done. And yes, I know someone's gonna mention if your OCD things are slightly off-center. I know. That's why I try to slide a little bit. I know. Another thing is I bumped the camera earlier today, so now it's not in the right spot. You know what? Just be happy we're here. Fuck today. You guys think this is a professional outlet? That's a good one. I mean, come on now. Anyways, we have a few topics today, which I totally don't even have open. See, that's how professional we are. First one. Wait, wait, wait. No, first one was. I'll let you bring up the topics today. Yes. But before we do that, I gotta tell you guys something, okay? The Nintendo Prime podcast is going to be moving very soon. Uh-oh. I don't know when. With your name or you. I'm scared. And I might talk about the audio version. I know we're behind in the audio version, but that's because there's some stuff going on behind the scenes. Essentially, we are going to have a new YouTube channel. Hey! Oh yeah. It's gonna be the Nintendo Prime podcast channel. That's what's gonna be called. Um, so we are working on some stuff behind the scenes. There's gonna be a new podcast channel, and we're gonna be doing all of our podcasts there. Also, throughout the week, I plan to clip out some of the best moments or best conversations and kind of throw them up on that channel throughout the week. So it'll be like a, there's the main podcast and then there's the clips. All right, they're on that channel. So the channel's not ready yet, so I might link in you guys anything, but when it is ready, we're not gonna just move over there right away. I wanna make sure that we get all of the needed features of YouTube. Reality of YouTube is they restrict features to hit a certain subscriber count. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna mention the channel. Once it's launched, I'll put it in our community tab. I'll put it in a few other places. I will probably, I'll probably start, you know, before we even livestream there, I'll start like once a day uploading old episodes. And then you guys can go there and rock out. Have a good time. We're going to, yeah, there's just gonna be that new channel. And once we get to a certain subscriber level there, then we will start doing our podcast there. We will still push the podcast on our Twitter and our Discord and we'll throw a community post up on our YouTube channel. We'll be advertising it ahead of time. We might even set it as a potential featured video on the day of the podcast, but it will no longer be hosted on this channel. There's a number of reasons for this. Chiefly, it's just because this channel is gonna be undergoing a massive reorganization of how things are happening. Yeah, a bunch of playlists that you might, can you go check my playlist? It's like a giant mess. A lot of those playlists are gonna go private and not be public anymore. Some of the playlists that are just worthless are gonna be gone. I'm going to be just reorganizing the channel in general, hiding it up. Might even get videos on some sort of schedule. Can you, what's a schedule? I don't want to commit to anything yet. You guys know my tendencies with schedules. Hello, what just happened tonight. But, yeah, so there's just a lot happening behind the scene. A lot of stuff I can't really get into right now. I mean, heck, we're gonna have a channel trailer pretty soon. I don't know if you guys know what channel trailers even are. Basically, for new people visiting the channel, hey, this is what the channel is, so what it's about. And that's pretty much never gonna change. So if you're someone who's not subscribed to the channel and you come to it, the channel trailer will be the featured thing. And then if you are subscribed, the featured video will be whatever feature will probably be an upcoming live stream. Like our Prime Giving stream we have going on on the 28th. Do you guys know about that? Eric, do you know about that? I found out today. Yeah, he's gonna be there. Eric, yeah, yeah. There's a 90% certainty that'll probably be there. I hope so. It's a Sunday night. Yeah, I know. You gotta work the next day, but I mean. I know. It's more likely, depending on if I, cause I am throwing let it brown for animals that day. So it depends on if I get one, you know. So he might not be here. Anyways, on the 28th, we are putting on an event called Prime Giving. We'll be giving away a Switch OLED bundle along with $100 to a charity of choice by the winner who wins that bundle. But I am actually partnering with a bunch of companies and we're gonna have a number of giveaways happening throughout that stream to try to give back to the community as much as we can. And obviously we'll draw attention to whatever charity gets chosen in case people wanna donate to that charity or whatever. So yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. I hope to see all you guys there. The stream's already set up. You will see it featured on the channel probably tomorrow. It'll be at the featured video at the top. So yeah, look forward to that. As I said, just a lot of things happening behind the scenes, a lot of reorganization, a lot of changes, a lot of trying to get the channel a bit more consistent and obviously a lot more YouTube friendly, as they say, because there are some things I'm not quite doing the YouTube's requested way of doing things. So we're gonna be reorganizing things a bit, but let's get into the topic. What's our first topic here? Hey, John Switch. You just, something like you said, Jimmy John Switch. Hop on, pop. Hop on, pop on. So Twitch on Switch. So yeah, the funny thing is the Twitch on Switch story broke right as I was done editing my video. And so I thought, well, my video's not out yet. Let me go toss the story. No, the video was already like 27 minutes long. So I didn't need a 30 minute long video. So here's the thing. Out of nowhere, with no prior announcement, there's a Twitch app available on Switch right now. Now it's weird, not because, oh my gosh, you can go watch it now and it's just another way to watch Nintendo Directs and all that. It's weird because the Twitch app is on Xbox and PlayStation 2, right? The difference is you can stream to it from your system. You can't do that on Switch. So on one hand it's cool that you can watch Twitch streamers and interact with them and all that. On another hand, you can't stream to Twitch on Switch. So these are a lot of people wondering what's the point. But it is big news. It is nice to see Nintendo add an app. I think adding Netflix would have been a much bigger deal but apparently we can't get that. We can only get Hulu which is US only anyways. And then we get some weird, we don't even get like the main anime streaming apps. We get the secondary ones and we don't get, again, we don't even get 2B which is free. We don't get a lot of things. We have YouTube which is cool. And I know there's so many of you guys that didn't even watch my channel on there, but I don't know. I'm a little torn on like, I don't know. What's the point of Twitch on Switch? I'm, by the way, I'm not someone who really watches Twitch anyways, just to be clear. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, that one. Well, like what are your thoughts? Twitch on Switch? I don't know, it's cool. I mean, sure. If you wanna watch, if you are a Twitch lover and follow a whole bunch of people and wanna watch Twitch or a Twitch. Switch on Switch? Wherever you go, I mean, I know you can probably do it on your phone more likely. But, you know, if you're out playing games and then all of a sudden you wanna just stop and watch a Twitch stream, go for it. It's cool. I mean, it's great to have. Not gonna knock it for having it. But, again, the feature's not having it. Charles in the chat, he brought up a point that you know, not sure they have to develop on Nintendo, it's absolutely not developed Nintendo doesn't own Twitch, they have nothing to do with Twitch. But, here's why you need to know about Twitch coming to Nintendo Switch. They have to approve of everything. You think Twitch didn't wanna put an app on Switch Day One? You think Netflix doesn't wanna be on Switch? Like, all these apps, Hulu, they're made by other companies. Nintendo doesn't make them. Nintendo has to be the one to approve of those apps. So, to me, it's just one of those situations where I'm glad it's there, but it should be like one of dozens. Oh yeah, absolutely. And that was an OLED screen, which actually makes it nicer to look at in portable. Like, I've been watching, you know, we just finished up the second season of Locking Key, Yulia and I did on Netflix and it would have been cool if we could have watched it on our Switch Roller. I actually think we would have watched some of the episodes on the OLED. It was more comfortable to hold them on my phone than we're laying in bed. And it's bigger. And it's quite a bit screen. And it's also an OLED screen. Well, my phone is too, but a bigger OLED screen. So, I don't know. I'm kind of indifferent. Like, it's good it's there, but we should have a lot more. Yeah. 100%. It reminds me of how much Nintendo is drip feeding us, multimedia apps. And I don't know why we're being drip fed them in the first place. It makes no sense. It doesn't take away people gaming. Right. So, Netflix, Disney, Amazon, yeah. I mean, the list goes on on Paramount Plus. I don't know if Country Roll's on there, but. I don't know. The Country Roll, I don't think so. There's a different, there's a different anime app on there. But yeah, it's, I don't know. Timothy mentions, you know, that hey, Twitch is owned by Amazon. So, what about Prime Video? That would be nice if this was one of those precursors to Amazon Prime Video. I also think Amazon Prime Video would have been a better ad than Twitch in the first place. Now, this isn't because I'm excluding Twitch. I understand why Nintendo would be more willing to do Twitch because they stream on Twitch. So, it's another way like, you know, if you're trying to watch a Nintendo Direct or a Nintendo Smash event or something and they're streaming it on Twitch, well, it makes sense to have the Twitch app. So, there is something there where Nintendo, why do that? Also, pay attention because there's a Mario movie coming out next year. Now, it's coming to theaters, but once it's done in theaters, do you think Nintendo is not going to partner with somebody to have it available somewhere? Digitally? Like, it would be really weird if the Mario movie is like the only movie you can't get digitally anywhere on any service. Oh, for sure. Like, probably won't be Netflix since clearly there's a problem. Could be Hulu. Because they already have it on there. Could be Hulu. So, I don't know. And the thing is, the weird thing with the Netflix stuff is Pokemon stuff is on Netflix. Now, that is the Pokemon company separate from Nintendo, but it's like, if that's there, does that make sense to put Nintendo stuff there? But then why don't we have Netflix? Now, maybe Mario movie will be what gets us Netflix on Switch in 2020. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, never mind. Let me give me two seconds. I can almost guarantee you can tell me where it's at. Where the Mario movie's gonna go? Yeah. Why, the Mario movie comes out in theaters next year. I know, but where it'll end up. Okay, all right. So, yeah. Brian C. says that he thinks Crunchyroll is owned by Sony. I'm not sure on that. Well, Crunchyroll's on Xbox, so I don't think that Sony really cares about that stuff. They kind of separate out their divisions. Like, Nintendo might be using Sony cameras on their stuff. More than likely come out on Netflix. Illumination is on Netflix. Sure, but Nintendo controls where everything goes. It's their movie. You think Nintendo doesn't get to say where it goes? I get it, but at the same point in time if Illumination already has a partnership with Netflix, I can see it just being. Well, my problem with Netflix, well, I love Netflix. My problem is Netflix said, ask Nintendo why we're not there. And then Nintendo said, ask Netflix why we're not there. Which suggests there's something between Netflix and Nintendo that isn't getting along. Maybe this is an olive branch. All right. An olive, well, how is that an olive branch? It's Nintendo's property. Why would they want to be like, here, we want to put it on Netflix and it'll give us the rates we want. I'm not gonna care with this one singular movie. I don't know. Netflix don't care. Netflix, by this point in like three years is gonna be bigger than Nintendo in terms of just how much money they have in the bank. Now that they're actually profitable. So, I don't, again, I hope for the best because I want Netflix on a Switch. But also, yeah. It's almost five years and we still don't have it. So like, right. It's literally the most popular streaming service in the world and we don't have it. So I don't know that a Mario movie is gonna change. By the way, this doesn't mean a Mario movie won't be available on Netflix. It would just be like, Netflix isn't still on Switch. Yeah. Which would be really weird that you couldn't watch it on Netflix. But again, Pokemon, they have a different app on Switch to watch Pokemon stuff. Because, you know, we can't have Netflix. Yeah, right. And they just give us Netflix. We don't need the Pokemon app thing to watch. What they probably do with that Pokemon app though is they probably like direct into the Netflix servers and freaking only allow you to choose the Pokemon stuff. That's probably what it is. There is more on that app than on Netflix, but still. I don't know. Like they just added Effective Pikachu out in the UK on Netflix. It's getting added like in December. So it's like, huh, God damn, can we get this stuff on Switch already? And then somebody might go, who cares? And I understand. I got a billion ways to watch Netflix. It's like, yeah. But I just explained a certain situation in my bedroom where I actually would use my Switch instead of my phone. But I would like to have full access to my phone while watching. And we have a TV in there, by the way. So it's not like we don't, but sometimes based on how you want to lay in bed, the TV isn't always the most comfortable thing to look at. So like you'll lay in a certain position. Like, ah, this is comfy. I just want to set something like right here and watch it. But I don't want to hold my phones. Maybe I want to text someone. Maybe I want to play a little game while I'm also watching like, oh, then set the phone down and play a little Switch. Yeah, but here's the thing. If I'm playing a game on Switch, I ain't watching. Switch games are a little too intense. You need a TV for your showing. They're a little too intense. Trust me. I've told Yulia several times to let me see Yulia mount. She's like, no, I'm like, they make ceiling mount. Let me ceiling mount a TV. I want to put an 85 inch TV on the ceiling. In fact, I might never leave my bedroom. Right. Literally, Xbox, you're going up there. PC, you're going up there. Everything's going up there. Never leave in the room. Instead of this desk, we're sitting on the other side of the bed. You know what I'm, I mean. Anyway, so yeah, Switch is on Switch. It's a cool thing. It rhymes. It does. Someone's probably going to make a song about it. Someone will probably be me drunk on a stream. No, you. But yeah, we're, it is what it is, I suppose. I know some people are getting sick of me saying it is what it is. I say it is what it is. I know. I also say all that jazz and all that jazz. I know of the common things I say that annoy people sometimes. J, it's jazz. What do we got for our second time? By the way, I'm going to do this little shoddy Avaka quick. This is a shout out to J.Lo who gave a $10 super chat. Literally, before the stream started, probably concerned. I think it's mentioned something. I hope the kiddos are okay. They're fine. I just, you know, other reasons that we were late. So yeah, I'm going to do this. By the way, all super chats or whatever. I do shots on pretty much everything I do. So it is what it is. Yes, folks, drink responsibly if you are drinking, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. This podcast is kind of for edgier, more adult-oriented, more mature. It is. We should drop the F bomb at the beginning. Yes, because by the way, if you want kid-friendly podcasts, they do exist. Just Nintendo has an official one. Actually, the Nintendo Power Podcast. That's not this one. We're adults making content for adults. All right. Yo, 80 inch chat. Yeah, what's our next topic? Next topic, game awards. With Jeff Keely saying that half the show is going to be a new game trailer and movie trailers and half of it's going to be awards. Yeah. There were some other things he mentioned that there's going to be double digit, brand new game reviews. That's not it. So I mean, at least 10 could be more. Double digit, it can go all the way to 99. At least 10, max 99. Probably not 99. So I would say at least 10, maybe 20. I would say somewhere in that range, probably. Unless they hit the scissor reel. And like there's new, but there's new, and he has really good gets over you. Like last year, they had the world premiere of like Dragon Age or something. So like they have a lot of really good gets. You know, what was it? Back in 2019, the Xbox Series X got unveiled at the game awards. Not E3, not an Xbox event, the game award. Now does that mean we're getting new hardware revealed here? No, I don't think we're at that point right now. But I do find it interesting because the game awards, Jeff Keely said something today that was very interesting. That shows he actually pays attention. And I think I knew he paid attention because if you guys think back to Summer Game Fest this year, how much better was Summer Game Fest over the 2020 version? Remember the 2020 version that had like, I don't know, what was it? 20 different live streams spread over four months? Ooh, that just sounds nasty. Well, I mean, it's cool to have like an all summer event, not every stream was worth watching. They never really knew which one was gonna be worth it. So, still sounds better than E3. So this year, he condensed it all into a night and then he had a few day follow-up or Devolver Digital. We watched that. That was from Summer Game Fest. That was Summer Game Fest. That's right. So like, they had a really tight show. We missed Friday's Summer Game Fest because we were doing E3. So the thing is, Summer Game Fest got a hell of a lot better year over year. He listened to fan feedback and said, okay, I got you. We're gonna do a different. And they were significantly better than E3. Now, they need to get Nintendo and Microsoft on board. They do that. Then we don't need E3 press conferences anymore. That being said, it was really, really good. And I will say this next year, even if there is in-person, we will still be covering Summer Game Fest like we would E3. So even if we're already in LA, we'll figure out some neat setup. We'll probably, I think what will probably end up happening is at that point, we'll buy a portable screen. We'll just pop it up behind us so we can still do like, we can actually kind of pretend we're still here to be completely set up correctly. Take a picture of that and slap it in my face. So I mean, technically, I can even make it look a little cooler. I don't know how well. Well, well, that light actually packs on really tiny. So that'll be a nice feature. But so yeah, we'll make it happen. So we'll still cover it and still do everything we normally do. We'll see about the microphone set up. That's the one that might be a little different. We might not do the lab mics. Maybe we will. It's not like it's that hard to bring this thing. So we'll figure it out. You guys don't have to worry about that. That's our problem. This thing does have enough RAM. I hear times are like, we need to go buy some RAM. No, this has enough RAM. I forgot about that. Yeah, we've had multiple times at E3 with different laptops that we had to go buy RAM because there was not enough RAM to live stream. Yeah. It's crazy. You're like, oh, no, there's eight gigs of RAM. It's not enough. But that tech store out there is pretty freaking awesome. Well, they probably don't exist anymore now. Pretty sure they closed down. Pretty sure they closed down. No, I like 99% sure that that was one of the big stories that happened in 2020 is they closed. Well, shit. Yeah, a lot of things didn't survive the pandemic. I think we're talking about fries, electronics or something like that. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, they don't need this anymore. It'll soon be. Might not have been fries. Some other, I don't know. Anyways, I was a really neat concept. So, yeah, we, I think what the cool thing Jeff Keeley has talked about today is, yeah, okay, 50% of the show is gonna be game trailers and stuff. He did mention, by the way, game related like movie and show trailers, not shocking. Chance to see the Mario trailer. That'd be awesome. Miyamoto has already been on record twice now telling us the Mario movie is basically done. They're just gonna be sitting on it for a year. It's done. Which also means what they're really doing is they're giving themselves a buffer so they can start working on the next movie. So the Mario movie can be next year, next movie can be 2023, et cetera. Now all of a sudden, if this next movie's done by the end of this upcoming year, suddenly you get a new Nintendo movie every year with a year delay between when it's finished and when it comes out. It's actually a really smart strategy. And I think Nintendo is really buying into it. So, the Nintendo Cinematic Universe is going to be a thing. The NCE. There's a last of us movie. We'll probably get another trailer for that. There's a new season of The Witcher coming out on Netflix. I presume we might possibly see that. I know it's not necessarily directly related to the games. More based on the books. Games are also based on the books. And over the, what is it? Henry Cavill just came out and mentioned that he's been replaying all The Witcher games on the hardest difficulty over the past summer. So clearly still closely tying everything to the games. So yeah, I think we could potentially see that. There's some other series, Castlevania and some other ones out there as well. So yeah, we're going to see some of those trailers as well. Some people may or may not be excited for those. I have no idea. I think it's going to depend on what you're a fan of. Dude, I'm going to freak and lose my shit if they show the Mario. You're going to lose your shit? Oh yeah, dude. I'm excited. I love Illumination, so. We'll see what happens. We'll see if we see our first trailer of it. So there's that. But one thing he said that I thought was really fascinating. And again, shows that he's listening. As he said, I've heard gamers. They're not really that interested in music performances or celebrities. I mean, I'm OK if you have like one intermission. Well, here's the thing, the music performances. And someone mentioned, you know, always music all the time, like one. There was a couple of the shows where he had some non-video game related bands. They were good gets, but it was also not really that game related. So for the most part, most of the music that's there is video game related. The problem that happens with doing this video game related music is they end up being like 10, 15 minute segments. Yeah, that's true. Which is fine if you're a fan of that series. And if you're not, you don't know the song. It just feels like you're twiddling your thumbs waiting for whatever's next. You see a lot of the gameplay reveal trailers. It can be like, oh yeah, I'm not interested in Halo Infinite. I'm not interested in Dragon Age. But they're only short, they're short. They're 30 seconds a minute, maybe two at the most and you move on to the next thing. Or, oh, am I interested in the winner of this award category? But hey, we just got through it after a few minutes and now we're into the next category. Or even if I wasn't interested in this category, maybe someone comes on like the guy behind It Takes Two and comes on there and says, I have the Oscars. I mean, who the hell knows what's gonna happen with that? So some of those speeches are good. Yeah. So he said basically that he recognizes the feedback that people aren't into that and they're not into celebrities. He's got celebrities come on that one, don't play video games though. Yeah, cares. Two, just having, like he was more focused on trying to get video games, I think taken seriously by Hollywood. Yeah. Instead of focusing on getting his show taken seriously by gamers. What would actually be really cool is if the celebrities he got were the voice actors in a lot of these games, the big games and things like that. That would be cool. But then here's the thing, people don't consider them celebrities. But who cares if they don't consider celebrities? But that's the point. But that was his point. He heard that gamers don't give a shit. We don't care if Will Smith is there. We don't care if Aaron Rodgers shows up. Nobody cares. Right. Okay. We don't care about that stuff. We play games. Oh yeah, we gotta get Ronaldo on the first side. No, you don't. If FIFA's there, okay, great. You let them have like a one minute trailer and move the hell on because most people aren't going to care. Sorry, it's just the reality. You gave the FIFA fans what they wanted and now move on. It's a situation where I think he was just so focused on trying to give video games taken seriously by a medium that clearly doesn't care. Video games are literally the most profitable and biggest entertainment business in the world. I don't know if you guys are aware of this. All movies, shows, music, it's video games at the top of the heap. The most amount of revenue, most amount of money spent is on video games. Think about that. It's the biggest entertainment medium in the world and still the CNNs of the world, MSNBCs of the world, Hollywood, all of it tries to keep painting video games as a villain. Despite the countless scientific research proving otherwise, proving that like people with anger issues, only video games help them by giving them an outlet that's healthier to put their anger into. Oh yeah, you might hear them say cuss words and all this nasty crap while playing a Call of Duty match, but do you hear them saying it when they're talking around their parents, their fellow students? It's an outlet. So they can get, by the way, some kids do. I'm just saying it's an outlet. It's a scientific researcher showing, yes, more aggressive people are likely to play aggressive games but the games aren't the things making them aggressive. They were already aggressive, essentially what the research showed. So it's interesting, because I think that was Jeff Keely's goal was one, make a game of words that matters and make it matter by making the rest of the world respect game. And I think what Jeff Keely has come to realize since those days, he spent years, I mean, it's been going on until like 2012, 2013. It's been almost a decade that he's been trying to make that happen. He's starting to realize as they got 83 million viewers, none of them coming from the big media outlets that, you know what, we don't need them. We're bigger than they are. And how he knows it. He even talked about like doing this virtual show. So people don't know there's been like concerts and stuff that happened inside Fortnite that were all virtual and basically everyone get on their Fortnite characters and dance together and chit chat and shoot some guns and watch a concert. And he's trying to bring it in that way and he thinks these virtual shows might eventually be bigger than even people watching on channels like us or the official game awards channel. Possibly as people get together virtually in virtual reality even. It could be a really big deal someday. I don't know where they're yet. He said like in five years, he thinks it'll be bigger. But it's interesting to see in like, these are mediums that the rest of the media is like boo, boo, don't escape into things. Boo, pay attention to what's going on around you. Boo. And he's just like, look, we know what video games are. I'm done trying to make this show Hollywood. By the way, I like the suits. I like the professionalism. I like the Oscar style. People aren't really complaining about that. They're just complaining that you're trying to appease a crowd that doesn't want you. We'll stop trying to appease them and actually pay attention to what gamers are saying. So that was kind of the big news today was that Jeff Keely basically said, yeah, I heard you guys. Got you. 50% of the show's awards, 50% of the show's game trailers and movie slash TV trailers were related to it. We know what you want. I know, he even mentioned that I realized a majority of people watch for the game reveals. I know, I'm aware. That's what I'm giving you. I mean, if you want to have like a... I mean, by the way, I want the awards to be fired. We've talked in the past about some of the fumbles with the awards and rushing through things. Like we have to watch the pre-show because there'll be awards given out on the pre-show, which it's not a pre-show then. That's just the start of the show. Yeah. Yeah. You can't give all the awards on a pre-show and then say, oh, no, pre-shows are introducing you to the main show, but then you have awards on it and your main show is an award show. Your pre-show goes through all of your awards and the games that are nominated and maybe some analysts saying who they think might win. Backstory behind the games, things like that. Discussion around it, maybe some developers in for interviews. That's what a pre-show is for. Not to hand out awards. Or just watch our pre-show where you know, we'll probably end up giving something away because I always do. And we'll just have a lot of fun and we'll chit chat. We'll basically do what the pre-show is supposed to do. I'll probably be here for it. I'll be late. Which I'm thankful you'll be there. I hope you're gonna be there because the big thing for me is it's on a Thursday. I have my kids. So I still gotta get them in the beds. I gotta step away at one point. I need somebody here for that. You should be here by then. I would assume. Barring work ended up going super late and I was like, oh, I don't know. Kids? That's why you can stay up until 10. Have a good day. I'm gonna break up that in the morning. I just smack him around and go, I'm just kidding. So as the game awards are supposedly gonna get better and I believe in it because the Summer Game Fest got a lot better. What are, by the way, I know not everyone likes Jeff Keely's presentation, the way he organized it, it's fine. It's still way better than you think. Oh, God. So what are your thoughts on the game awards? Are you excited for the game awards? Yeah, actually. I always keep forgetting about it. Then you keep bringing up every year. Well, because it's always the big end of the year event. I am. It literally is usually like the last thing of the year. It's not a direct, it's not a PlayStation event. It's a general celebration of gaming in early December happens every year. And it's always weird to see the, it's always fun to watch, to see the random, what's gonna happen this year? Like you said, the one guy getting up there and saying F the Oscars. Like what is the outrageous thing that's gonna happen this year? Cause it almost seems like every year there's one just randomly out left field, strange thing that happens. It's like, what's it gonna be this year? Sure. And then like, is there also gonna be a speech that is impactful? We've seen a number of, like when Greg Miller gave his speech and talked about, you know, his struggles, but then also mentioned, hey, by the way, you know, who doesn't get recognized? Like the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of little people working on the game that are in the credits that nobody knows who the hell they are. Everyone knows who Sakurai is or Miyamoto, who are all the people working under them that are doing all the grunt work that nobody knows. And it was a really nice, impassioned speech he gave that it's like, yeah, that's good. What was the game that was like about depression? Or what, that was that year? Cause that was, I remember that the director, that one, when they won, that was just a massively beautiful speech. I don't, I feel bad for not remembering who it was in one game it was, but I remember the speech just being absolutely phenomenal and just going in depth about, you know, the different depression and, you know, seeking help, things like that. And it was just phenomenal speech, too. So, yeah, it's, it's- And places like the game wars are the only time that all three major console manufacturers had their leaders on stage, I think that. The only ever happened to the game wars. Never happened on any other stage, anywhere else. Now, we kind of tempered it as we found out that Reggie was retiring shortly after. So it was kind of like, that's why it was so important to him because he was, because he's really close with Reggie. So he knew he can get Reggie to do it. He was not sure if he could have got Doug Bowser who was gonna follow up to do it. I think it would have been, the only thing I would have said is, you know what, if you couldn't get Reggie because he was gonna retire, and he couldn't get Doug Bowser to do it because nobody knows who he is, so it might not matter. You could have tried to reach out to Nintendo and say, hey, can we get Chiguro Miyamoto? Yeah. He's literally, just call him Chiguro Nintendo. Mr. Nintendo. Chiguro Nintendo Miyamoto. It's just, he is Mr. Nintendo. Obviously, he would have probably preferred if Iwata would have been still alive, that Iwata would have came to the stage. I mean, that's another thing too. Like when Iwata passed away, there was a really nice segment on the game awards, like dedicated to Iwata when Reggie gave a speech. Like these things only happen at the game awards. It's very clear that Jeff Keeley cares about the industry and about gamers. And that's why I'm so glad to see him admit that, hey, I realize people don't really like these things. Even though I understand that Jeff Keeley likes those things, I think it's very obvious he was trying to reach for an audience he was never going to get. And I think he's just accepted after getting 83 million last year that, hey, we're getting more viewers than masters. We're getting more viewers than all these other big things. So why do we care what they think? Yeah. So it's kind of cool. Yeah. What do you look forward to the most there? Is it the awards? Because I don't even know if we know all the nominations that I have to double check. I don't think we know them yet. I thought we went through them. We might have went. No, no, that was the deku golden stick. Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah. I don't think we have the announcement of the nominees yet. I think that comes later. Okay. I could be wrong, by the way, I got to check the website, but I'm pretty sure they're not. Because we don't even technically have the official time of when it starts, like my whole plan for the show right now is built around what time they've been doing it in the past. But, so yeah, because we'll have an episode where we actually go over all of that. Yeah. We usually do a betting special. We'll see if we do one this year to come up with something. No hot chip channel. Yeah. We'll have more of the stale, but even then, even though I actually had eaten something, I would have been fine. You did, you ate a chip. Yeah, yeah. Something besides that chip. Iron stomach should be able to handle it. It handles on a freaking massively empty stomach. Hey, I held it down for a good... I mean, yeah, according to the chart, you didn't make it to the end, but you made it pretty far in before you had to go get rid of it. Yeah. But yeah, it was also stale because they literally can't make them. Like, right, I think the factory was shut down. So like, the one that I bought online was made like a year prior. So it was stale, whatever, stale chips or stale chips. But stale chips are also really spicy. Anyways, so we'll have the brainstorm, like, you know, a reward and a punishment for if we do a betting special. Because people are always gonna bring up like the last betting special we did, we never finished. Like we never announced a winner or a loser. Oh yeah. Yeah. We just kind of ignored it. I probably lost. No, I don't know. People kept mentioning it and I was like, guys, I think we're just gonna toss it away. Too much was going on. Because it's a lot to organize. But if I'm more prepared at this time, we'll see, we'll see. Basically, once the nominees come out and I look at it and be like, you know what, I think this might be a good one. Let's organize this together. Let's get our official notebooks. Yeah. You know, this isn't E3, so we're not dragging it across the country. You know, we're right in the house so it's not that hard to keep track of it. Yeah. So yeah, heck, maybe I can even set up some cool, there's a live alley. Oh. Of points. Oh. That would be kind of cool. That would be cool. And I'm thinking that because I got this monitor right here and why are the skateboarding mouse that I can do cool things with. Oh yeah. So I'm just saying that we might be able to do something that we've never done before. On this. It wouldn't be really cool if I could actually set it up to just be like, oh, Eric point, Nate point. I might be able to even set it up on there and make it easy. Yeah, you might. Yeah. Anyways, custom code. Yeah. So, yeah. Like what is, give me one thing you want to see at the game board. It'll be interesting to see if Metroid Dread does get up, put up for a game of the year. That would be really. I think it's got it. It's like literally the one of the top two rated games of the whole year. It still doesn't necessarily mean anything. Well, when all the nominees are by the media that gave it that rating. I've seen dumber shit happen. I suppose. It would be cool not to just see it now. I would be curious to see it wins. Yeah. 2D science wheeling Metro game win game of the year. That would be insane. Yeah. But again, we still, I don't know which holiday titles are included. Cause like, I don't know. Cause they always have a cut off date. Some, someday in November is a cut off day for nominees. So I'm not, I'm not sure what that day is. It'd be, it'd be awesome to see if we do see any update on any of the major Nintendo games that are coming out. You know, if we do get a release date for both in a while too. Exactly. Yep. The two and three. Yeah. Although I feel like Nintendo seems to know this event well. So Breath of the Wild two would be a good one there. Maybe Mario, like a new 3D Mario unveiling. That would be cool. Oh, alongside the trailer. Baylor the three they just did. So what about Metroid Prime 4? Another thing by the way is there's this rumor floating out there from Emily Rogers that Nintendo has officially wrapped up development. Retro Studios has on a remake of sorts of the original Metroid Prime. They wrapped it up this summer. And that would be a killer game award for you. Metroid Drag gets nominated for Game of the Year and by the way, here's a full on remake of Metroid Prime. Have a good day. I mean, and I also like the, you know, your thought of 3D Mario to go right along with the trailer for Mario. I mean. I also like my idea of Pillars of Fire coming up from the ground and unveiling Switch Pro. I mean, yeah. I've had this idea for a long time and Nintendo's also done it. Or the new Donkey Kong game that gets turned into an announcement for a Donkey Kong movie. I mean. By the way, I don't know if they're announcing a Donkey Kong movie this year. Yeah, probably not. I think they're gonna, we haven't even seen the Mario movie trailer so we're not gonna announce a new movie before we show you our current movie. Or do you even know if you like our current movie? Here, by the way, we're making a Donkey Kong movie. So yeah, you know, Nintendo has something there every year. Whether it's gonna be something exciting, I don't know. That's the thing, we don't know. Nintendo's always the mystery. Like, something exciting is gonna be shown for Sony. Something exciting is gonna be shown for Xbox. There's gonna be some sort of big indie game. And probably multiple third-party big games. It's just, what's Nintendo gonna bring? Are they bringing one game? We already know that 2022 is packed. They could bring trailers for three games, four games. Nintendo could really be packed on the show. So yeah, we'll have to wait and see. And it's a good time for all the companies because all three systems are basically selling out pretty well. Worldwide, PlayStation 5, Xbox Series and Switch are all selling phenomenal right now. So it would be a good time for them to all get extra momentum heading into 2022 because all of them are fighting for people's time next year. All three platforms, I think, are gonna have massive lineups next year. Like, if you're a multi-platform gamer next year, good luck to your wallet. For starters, get Game Pass if you don't have it because my God, you're gonna need it to save money. Beyond all of that, like, seriously, next year, if you play everything, like, exclusive-wise anyways, you could be in for a $5,000 kind of year. Like, it's going to be insane next year. So, yeah, it's gonna be a do-come-out and I think it's gonna start at the game awards where they keep showing big game, big game, big game. And everyone's like, what is happening? Because, let's face it, Xbox and- Faces are gonna melt and it's gonna be blown. Well, Xbox and PlayStation need it. Yeah. Because everything's pretty much been delayed by Halo Infinite and that was the late of the year, so they need it. And then Nintendo, hey, you know what? It is kind of a light holiday. We do a Pokemon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl and should we go with Tensei 5? I'm not forgetting that game. I'm Metroid Dread, but honestly, compared that to, like, a Splatoon 3, Lou Edge Mansion, Xenoblade, Breath of the Wild, Mario, compared to some of the other big sellers, it's like, yeah, those are big games, but also, they're not, like, the big game. Like, Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl is not Sword and Shield. Like, neither of them might be Arceus. I could even sell even better. So there is this thought process that, you know what? Yeah, we know about big games coming next year, but we need to be reminded. And screw it. Why remind us? Show us another game next year. Just make us- Heck yeah. That's why I said New 3D Mart. Just blow our freaking mind. So we'll see what happens. I think it's gonna be really, really exciting. It always is. I feel like every game awards, I've enjoyed it on the whole. Yeah. We always credit, we were critical of what we're critical of. We usually, the awards themselves, we get kind of critical of, because my number one criticism every year is when they rush through them. Not just, it's not even rushed through them. It's they announce the winner, flash the winner on the screen for like three seconds and then just drop it. You're like, wait, what game won? Oh, they'll be like, oh, this game won Best Action Game, but also won blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, okay, but for some of these awards, you're going through all the nominees. Yeah. And then for this, you just ignore like four awards, but it was like, no, it was like one, one, like best music score. And then all of a sudden, it also won Best Action, which was a huge category, right? Best strategy and all that. It's like, okay, look, if you're winning all these major categories, we need to pay attention to each category. So, okay, you won it, but can we highlight the other games this year? Right, exactly. Because there's different nominees in those categories. Right. So even though one game had a one, three major categories, I want to know the other games. Do each individual prize at a time or award at a time? It's, I mean, go through it at a time. And we've talked about this before, like I think one issue they have is the Esports Award. They have a bunch of them, which is fine. And I keep telling Jeff Keely, I've emailed them so many times, you need to have an Esports night the night before. Yeah. Esports night the night before, and then the other, you know, overall game awards the next day because Esports awards should be there. I don't want them cut, they're also a very different kind of award. You're like best team, best coach, you know, most popular Esports game or whatever. And it's kind of like, okay, fine, but that's different than best action game, game of the year, best musical score, best indie product, best family game. Like those are different kinds of awards than Esports. So have them all, but do two nights. Those almost seem more like individual awards versus like actual game awards. Yeah, even like, you know, creator, the creator award or whatever that like, do all that on like the night before. Make it like a kickoff event. Yeah. And Jeff Keely, you love your kickoff event. They do a kickoff event and you can literally get rid of a third of the awards right there. And then suddenly the next day when you do your full on two and a half hour, three hour show where you're gonna have an hour and a half of game reveals and all this stuff. Cool, you can actually take the time to present each award. Now I understand too, there's also this thing. Some of the awards I think get rushed because while a game might win an award, they couldn't get a hold of anyone at the company to like make a speech or appear on stage. Cause by the way, this is back in person this year. Yeah. So like, I think there's some companies that maybe don't like the game awards but they're nominated anyways. And so like they win an award and it's like, okay, we gotta kind of rush through this cause it looks bad for the awards to be like, oh, by the way, this one won and there's nobody to accept. So we're just sending it to them in the mail. Have a good day. But like, think about this. It's like, if a movie won an Oscar or an actor won an Oscar or whatever and imagine them just not being there. You know, they were nominated. Like that just doesn't happen. They're always there. I think it has happened. Has it? I am sure. Yeah, but wasn't there someone there to accept it on behalf? Yeah, on their behalf. Yeah. But there's been times that people have won game awards that there was nobody there and no video. So just contact one of the main actors in the freaking game or something and have them come on, voice actor. No, no, no, you can't come on on behalf of a company without company permission. That's a big no-no. That'd be like, oh yeah, I'm gonna go accept an award on behalf of Will Smith, but he never told me to be here and do that. So whatever. Oh, thanks. No, I get an Oscar to put on my show. So yeah, I think there is a part of that where most of the industry supports the game awards. Or the one year where they completely forgot to mention an award. I remember that one. Yeah, and it mattered to us. One, because one. Yeah, it was a tiebreaker. We were tied, but we had a different pick for this award and we couldn't figure it out because they never announced, and then it was like the next day it appeared on the website. Randomly on the website. And it's like, but they never, and so we went back to the show, because I'm like, okay, do we miss it? I mean, so we went back to the show, they never announced it. So it's like, it's like they'd realized, oops, well we better throw it on the website. It's like. So maybe they could do something like that if they... So that's when my one consistent criticism of the awards is that they can be done. There's amazing moments where it's like, yeah, there should be amazing moments for every award. Even the awards I don't care about. So I say like, eSports, I don't care about the eSports as much, but they should get proper attention because eSports is huge. It is, it is. And I feel like because it's not the main part of the show, they kind of rush through it and so it's just, I really want to see the awards themselves done better because I'm one of the few people maybe out there that watches the game awards and actually cares about the awards themselves. And I know there's a lot of other, there's the game developer conference awards, a lot of people inside the industry really care about that a lot because it's voted on by developers. There's also, I wrote all these various, all that's have their own awards, the IGN awards, the Golden Joystick awards. So there's all these other awards and YouTubers give out awards. So I understand that, but like the game awards is the one that's the entire industry's there. You're going to get people in person accepting awards and giving speeches. That's not happening at these other things. So, well, sometimes I have the game developer conference, but so you think about it, it's to me the biggest awards there is, maybe the most prestigious. And if we're not at a point yet where the entire industry is necessarily backing it 100%. And I think, I think there's one way to solve it and it's not fair. It's before a nominees are announced, they get a hold of the companies and see if they're going to participate and if they don't, you just kind of actually use it. Because Jeff Keely should care more about the show. It makes a better show if they can have them either they're in person or virtual to accept the award. And if not, then it's kind of like, maybe, it sucks to exclude a game because of it, but also you're putting it on a show and it's a bad look for the show. Now I'm not saying that you don't want to get them all. And by the way, this isn't like a massive scale. It's only like one or two that has ever happened with, but it's kind of like still, come on. But yeah, I love the award. I think it's one of the best events of the year. I mean, after E3, it might be the best event. Yeah. I mean, you know, like Summer Game Fest was fine, but I'm like, but the game awards, I don't know, this literally might be our E3 guys. This is what we probably wanted E3 to be. Like E3, remember, they said you could do E3 awards, do you remember who won any of the E3 awards? No. That's how irrelevant those awards, it's like, yeah, you're giving out awards. Let me guess, Verizon 5G won them all? How many of these companies bought these awards? Oh, lord. That was painful. Verizon 5G? Yeah. Never forget. Don't worry. Don't forget. Hey, there's a Borderlands movie. Do you know there was a Borderlands movie? There's a Borderlands movie. You can't see any of it, but here's a Borderlands movie. Here's the creator of Borderlands just walking around, acting like he's king crap over the thing, as all the actors are acting all weird, like what the fuck are you doing? As he's making like a vlog, this is the guy who rungs the IP, making a vlog on set without permission from any of these actors to be on camera, having to blur out and hide costumes and hide. It's like, what are we doing? Yeah, I don't know. Show us a trailer or shut the hell up and get out. It's like, stop. Don't worry, Verizon 5G will fix it. And it went on for like 40 minutes. We're not gonna tell you how it revolutionized it. I swear it was like 40 minutes. It just, it like, it just didn't stop. Like, okay, like Randy, it's time to move on, buddy. We're good. Show us a game, show us a trailer for the movie, or get off the pot. It's like, shut the hell up the pot. Come on, man. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wanna read that Super Chat off, buddy? Uh, Verum Verbi says a little less conversation, a little more dancing, please. Just kidding, keep talking. Can't wait for the coverage of the game more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, they have music. Woo, woo, woo. Why isn't that button always first? What? I think we were coming through the thing twice too. Nice. I gotta change the setup a little bit. I got a lot of, let's just say there's a lot of changes coming to the channel behind the scenes, and then you guys will actually notice some forward-facing as well. I think it's so much better in version of the $5. What was our next topic? Cause we can talk about the Game Awards also. Yeah, I know. Game Awards is pretty good. That would mean that the Stream Deck is delayed. Steam Deck. Steam Deck. That too. This is the Stream Deck. Yes, I know. I was looking at it. Steam Deck's been delayed. Steam Deck. First shipment, so now we're going out February and 2022. It was already on back order until September. So if I did the math correct, the three-month delay should equal out to you can't actually readily buy one again until 2023. Whoops. And this is just being able to buy online, let alone just like, and by the way, I'm gonna even buy online. I mean, like you're buying a future, not even created yet system, seven months out kind of thing, rather than actually being able to just go online, buy and have it shipped to your house in a few days. Like, we're, maybe I'll be two years away from that. Did I have a quote in there about it? I feel like I had a quote about it. You want to read off the quote. That's from the official press release about it. While we did our best to account for the global supply chain issue, by which we mean we've backered in extra time to account for these risks and work with multiple component vendors, our manufacturing plans were still impacted. Material shortages and delays meant that components were making it to our manufacturing facilities on time. Missing parts along with logistical challenges means delayed esteem dex. So we need to push out shipping by two months to February. We'll continue working to improve reservation dates based on new timeline and we'll keep folks updated as we go. So they're basically saying, hey, the pandemic sucked. Everyone's having part shortages. We have to delay. Now the thing is what I find interesting about that we have to delay, these are launch units. Valve, well look at me for a second. Just stop right there. Yeah, I mean. Don, just stop. Valve, look at me for a second. You were supposed to launch a month from now. These are launch units you're delaying. They should have been made three months ago. These units that come out day one, we're supposed to already do. Now you want to say the second shipment, third shipment delay, that can be understandable but your launch unit should have been made over the summer. The fact that you weren't already making them over the summer lets you know how disorganized you actually are about your product. And Valve, I hate to say this, you have failed every hardware launch you've ever attempted. Everything you've ever done with hardware, something's gone wrong. By the way, is it me saying Steam Deck's gonna be a bad system? I would like to have one. But yeah, where's the, I don't have any faith. You've messed up every time. Now you can say, well it's just a delay. We'd rather have things delayed than done right. But we're not talking about delaying it so it's readily available at launch. We're talking about delaying the people who were gonna get it in December to February and all the people that were supposed to get it in February till June, people are gonna get it in June, now delayed out to November. We're talking about a whole line of orders being delayed, you gotta understand. They were taking back orders on this thing all the way through September of next year. Back orders sold out, back orders. And now the first orders aren't even gonna come for a while. So I know two month delay doesn't seem like that big a deal but also you are not Nintendo or Sony or Microsoft and you wanna know why? Because they wouldn't have had a two month delay. Guess what, Nintendo doesn't have enough Switch OLEDs right now, did they? Just say screw it, we're gonna delay Switch OLEDs until next year. No, they said screw it, we got a couple of mil, we'll just roll with it. Now you can say, well it's different because they have another system out and it's the same internals and I can understand that argument. But also hey look, there wasn't enough PlayStation 5's at launch, was there? Or Series X's, that's very clear. Even really now. I mean, bottom line is still can't get their hands on them readily and easily. Did they have just delayed? Despite the fact that they've probably sold 20 million. The reality is, companies that have their ship together don't have to delay the release of hardware like this. Valve, by the way, is one of the largest video game companies in the world that barely releases them. Just so you guys are aware, their backbone was video game and now Steam, as they just roll the bank. They can do anything they want because Steam's just a consistent billion dollar money maker for them. They can screw up as much as they want. It doesn't matter, because they're laughing their way to the bank. So this is the problem with trusting Steam with hardware. They've never been trustworthy with hardware. They've failed every launch they've ever attempted to do. And while Steam Deck sounds amazing, who actually believes they can make enough of these ever to matter? By the time, I've talked about this before. By the time they actually can make enough of these to matter, we might be all the way in 2024. And at that point, the next switch is out that might blow it out of the water. Yeah? Like the Steam Deck's specs sounded impressive for 2021. Now we have new Ryzen CPUs coming. We now have Intel 12th gen coming. We have new GPUs coming. And suddenly the technology that's in it is now old already. And it's not even out yet. Well, I didn't mean to. Now granted, it's fine that it's old. Switch's technology was two years old as well by the time it came out. Absolutely. But Switch is made by an established hardware maker that had a massive handheld, still selling 75 million units. So they could at least draw, it's still a massive upgrade for their handheld users. Steam doesn't have that established base for their own hardware. That they could say, hey, we can delay this and still bring it to you. There's no, I feel like a lot of the people that are still saying it's okay, who cares, are the, and they're still using it to attack Switch because the bottom line is a lot of Steam Deck people seem to be holding it over Switch is. Probably because they're all mad because they couldn't get one in the very beginning Switch. No, no, no. I think it's because obviously they're upset Nintendo hasn't upgraded yet. And LOL, Nintendo, Kitty games, whatever the hell logic they want to use despite Nintendo's own graph showing that like 80% of the people that play Switch are well over the age of 18, like not even close. So you'd be like, oh, it's how many kids are just clicking their profiles and making no, so a bunch of kids are saying they're in their 40s. So okay, yeah, sure, I buy that. Usually I was a kid once, I remember getting on websites. How old do you gotta be, 18? Okay, I'm 18. Kids aren't being like, oh yeah, I'm 25. Oh yeah, I'm 40. I'm almost 65. I don't know, I used to hit the age drop down thing and just. Oh yeah, sometimes you can go, I was like done. Yeah, but that's also not how it works. You have to enter actual dates. So like, yeah, so. But back when it used to be just click. Zoom, whatever, oh look, I was born in 1895. Oh man, how many accounts do I have where I'm born January 1st, 1965? A lot. A lot. And there might be like every porn website accessible in the 90s probably hasn't come from me. Well, from me. Say that I'm from the 60s. So I think that I don't want to shit on the system that's not here yet and all the previews of it have been wonderful but it's almost like we created preview units and that's all we made. It's like, we're gonna give you, it's coming out in December, by the way they announced this like two months ago. It's coming out in December and look at all these previews. You don't even have the unit. How can you say it's coming to December? You don't even have the units yet. Like nobody would announce a system, tell you it's coming out a couple of few months later and then go, oh by the way, we have to delay because we don't have the units. You wouldn't announce a release date without having the release units already done. Or you'd figure it. Banked up in a warehouse somewhere. With the timing of this though too, you'd figure that in those couple of months that the supply chain just completely drastically changed because we already knew that the supply chain was already. The supply chain hasn't though. That's what I'm saying. Everybody's dealing with this and it hasn't changed. It's been this way the whole time. So they already knew, so they would announce that it's coming out in December. Oh yeah, despite our plans. Okay, then you're just showing me you're really bad at planning. Right. Which I guess should be, it's Vel. It's Vel. Again, that's why I said, when you said Vel I'm like, just stop right there. That explains everything. Look, Gabe Newell is forever gonna be an icon. But also to me, Gabe Newell ruined Vel. And now you can say I'm wrong all you want and you can love Steam. No issue with Steam as a platform in general. But, Vel used to be a video game company man. You guys remember Left 4 Dead. Now we have to go to Back 4 Blood. Do you remember Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2? How about all the Half-Life games that we're never gonna get the third follow for? Oh yeah, we ended up getting a really cool VR game. And yeah, they had a couple of neat little indie titles here and there, but people are still playing in CSGO cause we can't get a good new Counter-Strike game. Why are we still playing in CSGO 20 plus years later? It's forever a great game, but also, you couldn't give us a new good Counter-Strike since 20 years and you're kidding me right now? How many about Portal? Awesome. Oh yeah, why are we getting, we're never getting one. We can't get to the third game in any franchise. It's like they have a rule in house that, no, here's all that happened. No third. They made games, Steam got big, they were rollin' in the cash, so they don't even make games anymore. Now, I know, so we can point out, they do still technically make games, but they're not at the scale or level that they want to. They used to be Bethesda. They were making triple A games that were comin' out every other year, every year. Can we say that Valve's even a video game company anymore? I think they're more like just a platform. So I don't know, so to me it's like, Gabe made Valve, Gabe also kinda threw Valve under the water once he got rich. Maybe that's just my take, because I'm a, dude, I love Valve games. Well, let's point, let's put it to this point. Valve's last game, Dota 2, was released in 2013, so. No, Half-Life Alyx came out since then. But I'm, we're talking like a major. Well, Half-Life Alyx was a major VR game. Was it? Yeah, I mean. It made people hope that we were gonna get Half-Life 3, you're not gonna get Half-Life 3. So like, but that's the point. It's like, okay, so we had 2013 and then we had one in between with Half-Life Alyx or VR. We've had failed Steam controllers, we had failed Steam machines. The only thing Valve's done successfully is maintain a popular PC platform to deliver games and maintain a game library. And yeah, they offer chat and all that. Like there are some features of Steam that are nice, but you're basically telling me that what Steam is now, or what Valve has become, is the Xbox and PlayStation dashboard. Yeah, I know. Well, we give you a voice chat, we give you the ability to buy digital games, re-download digital games, manage your library. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so Steam or, you know, the dashboards of modern consoles without any of the hardware conveniences. And by the way, Sony and Microsoft fund and make games. And Steam doesn't, Valve doesn't. So like, I'm excited for the Steam Deck for the prospect of what it is because everything else in its space, not Switch by the way, some portable handheld PCs have been stupidly expensive and very clunky and not necessarily using the best hardware. And this looked like finally someone understood decent hardware with an okay looking design might actually be worthwhile. But remember who's making it. Again, I don't think you'll be able to go on to Amazon.com or wherever they decide to sell this once they have it readily in stock and actually be able to just buy it and get it shipped to your house so you can come with it. Even during the pandemic, when PC parts have been short, you could go online and buy a pre-built PC and have it shipped to your house within a week. Not from all of them, by the way. Some people would make you wait a month. But a lot of them, you could still get pre-built that were just ready to go. Get it shipped to your house in a week. Valve has never done that way. And now they're struggling during the pandemic that's been going on for two years. And it was worse last year. Yeah, factories were entirely shut down last year. And yet somehow switches, Xboxes and PlayStation kept being made. How? Because they got smart and said fine, we'll go to other countries that aren't having as much as using it, more factories going. And Valve was like, nope, we got one cheap Chinese manufacturer and they're screwing around, so we got nothing. Possible. That's Valve. Valve is an untrustworthy company when it comes to anything other than Steam. And it sucks saying that. And I think that's why I wanted to talk about it, because I'm so sick of seeing so many Steam Deck fans attacking the Switch. When it's like, bottom line is- Your shit ain't out yet. One, your shit ain't out yet. Two, just because it launches doesn't mean it's really available. Because we're not even talking like PlayStation 5. Like, oh, PlayStation 5, it launched. And then, yeah, every couple of days, few days, there's a drop at retailers online that you can buy it. Well, that's not what Steam Deck's happening. They're taking back orders for like the next year. You won't even be able to order the damn thing until 2023. That's how ridiculous it is. So it's like, they don't know what they're doing. Which then it's how little they're actually making at a time. If you think about it that way. The only thing I could think of is they thought the market for it was going to be so niche that they're like, I want to make a thousand. And I don't know how they could think that when they're undercutting everything else in their market by five, $600. Offering a better, more powerful system. Oh, and by the way, there's this massive 90 plus million Switch user base that might be looking for what's next. Yeah. So like, it's just bad planning all around for a company that's so rich. It'd be different if this was like an upstart, kickstart. I can understand that and you have limited funds, only what was funded to you. Maybe some of your own funds, maybe you went broke and took little mortgages out in your houses or like, it's fine. I can understand, like when kick starters get delayed, sometimes there's fake ones out there. But I also say I can understand it to a degree because money comes and money goes really, really fast. But they're making billions. And they're not like a brand, brand new company. They've been around for quite a while. Gabe is literally swimming in a Scrooge McDuck vault. This is how money ate the problem. So they could have had this figured out a long time ago. The problem is their lack of experience and just valves generally disorganized with this thing. And don't forget your corner cutting and your other stuff that, like, when everyone, everyone always talks about great steam is like, do you wanna get into the negative of steam? There are some things going on in steam and just wait until the NFT craze really, really hits steam pretty hard. Just wait until you see what good old Gabe is doing to profit off NFTs in a very shady way. It's going to happen. Ubisoft's gonna do it, EA's gonna do it, Activision's gonna do it, Valve's gonna do it. Nintendo might be one of the last companies not to do it. I mean, they might do it on mobile games, but I mean, on their main system. How are they gonna do, like, freaking transactions? Freaking, what the hell am I looking for? Micro transactions for NFTs? Good God. I mean, the, what they'll do is they'll end up having, it's just gonna happen, by the way, guys. There's going to be NFT loot boxes. Oh, guaranteed, would not surprise me at all. So now, not only do you not get equipment, you just get ownership of a potential piece of equipment or a piece of art or a piece of whatever that may or may not be yours, depending on what it is, and you may or may not be able to. And it's all about money, it's not about the game. Like, now it's like you get a loot box, you're trying to get content to use in the game, but now, the loot boxes for NFT items for, say, for Fortnite. Oh no, what are people gonna do when you sell them an NFT item? They're gonna sell it to somebody else, it's gonna hold on to it till the value goes up and sell it to somebody else. People aren't gonna use the shit. They're just gonna try to profit. Like, it's just, this is why I'm worried about NFTs in video games, because it's gonna get to the point that people aren't actually playing the damn games anymore. They're just trying to make money, and that's all they care about. And if they are playing the game, it's so they can farm a certain currency to end up getting loot boxes to get NFTs so they can sell them. So like, it's my great, great fear. And Valve is gonna be right there. One thing Jeff Kealey did say about the game award, he put his foot down and said, there will be no NFTs in the ship. Nice. So, who knows who Jeff Kealey is. By the way, I'm not 100% anti-NFT. Yeah, no, it's interesting. I just know it's already widely abused. It don't put it in the video game industry. And the video game industry already abuses everything else. So why wouldn't they abuse this? Oh, yeah. That's the thing. It sounds nice, but it's abused. And it's gonna be abused before we even get it. Oh, for sure. Is there any topics from the chat you guys wanna talk about before we wrap things up here? We did have one more topic. Did we? What was that? In YouTube? Oh, yeah. YouTube's gonna run a dislike, publicly. You can still dislike videos. The button will still be there. That's the weird thing. The button will be there, but you can't see how many people dislike it. YouTube's logic for this, in their own video, I had to watch it a few times because I couldn't believe it. It's also funny in their video. In the background of the video, the guy has a camera like I have sitting on his desk. He's got a really nice microphone on a mic stand behind him. And he has a light, this exact light that I use, actually, behind him, shining light, ords the camera, which is just a dull thing to do. What? I'm not in that, not even know that's a dumb idea. So like, and the whole time I'm sitting there, I'm like, you know you work for YouTube, right? You don't have to pretend you're a creator. Like, all these items are to pretend you're a creator. Let me tell you what happens with real creators. There might be some camera equipment in the background. Maybe. That is something that does happen with people that are especially really into cameras. But for general content creators, we have like a camera, maybe two. Usually the second camera is sitting away in a safe spot. And also, if that mic is a really, really nice mic, we don't just toss it off in the background. That's the mic we're using. Right. We don't. So, like, I have extra mics. Why would I? Let me just slap a mic in the background. Throw your Blue Yeti back there. Yeah, because that makes sense. So, outside of that just looking so stupid. Their exact wording was that people are treating dislikes like a game. And they are dislike bombing creators they don't like. And this goes against YouTube's policy of giving everyone a voice. And I sat there listening. Listening to this. And I said, two things, YouTube. Two things. Big things here. This is before we get into the fact that dislikes are actually useful. And don't. I mentioned that no other social media has dislikes. And I'll get to that in a moment, too. I'll get to that in a moment, too, because there's a... They're comparing YouTube to the wrong stuff. Here's the thing. We're gonna get into a video MKHB did in a moment. Because MKHB really nailed this. But a couple things, YouTube, that MKHB didn't bring up. One, everyone on YouTube deserves a voice. A voice. That would include the people that don't like the people talking. You're taking away their voice by getting rid of the dislikes. Now you're gonna say, well, they can still comment, right? They can still comment. But most people watch a video. You'll see. Mr. Beast videos can have 10,000 comments. But it has 50 million views. A majority of people aren't going to read the comments. Especially if they don't like the video. They're not gonna bother to comment. Beyond all of that. So you're taking away their voice. Them dislike bombing a video doesn't prevent the creator from making the video. But this also doesn't stop them from dislike bombing the video. Because you can still click the dislike button on all the videos of the creator. But they're saying it does because it gets rid of the gamification of it. Where people like Nintendo, oh, it's popular. They're most dislike video of all time is, you know, the Switch Online expansion pack video. But if people don't know it's the most dislike video, they're not gonna go there to add to the dislike. And I understand there are people that do that. I'm sure there's hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people that do that. But why does that matter? They're voicing their disinterest in what this thing is doing. Why does that matter? Do you think Nintendo cares? Do you think Nintendo isn't gonna just laugh and make billions of dollars and not even give a crap? It's like. But here's also the thing too. The dislikes don't get rid of video. So how is it stopping the voice? Here's also the other thing too. It's an interaction with the video. So by them even putting a thumbs down on the video, you're still interacting with that video which then means it helps you with the YouTube algorithm. So you're actually helping the creator anyways. There wasn't an argument about mental health. And I'll say this as a creator. But you're still gonna be able to see that behind the scenes. I'll say this as a creator. I have seen, I know. I have seen some of my videos have more dislikes There's not very many, by the way. It's like four I've ever made that have more dislikes than like. And I think like maybe a dozen others. But by the way, I found out today. They hadn't even know I had 2,000 something videos and much more. Cool. None include all the livestreams too. So yeah, there's a dozen or so videos that have a bunch of dislikes compared to likes. And the thing is, I'm a small creator. I mean not like super tiny, but I'm small. And I've never had a mental distress over the dislikes. It's when I go from the dislikes and then read the comments. The comments are what really drag you down. Oh yeah. And I've talked about this before, even on my videos it mostly like today. My video today, it is a vast majority of people love the video. It's got 6,000, 7,000 views. It's doing phenomenal. It's one of my best videos I've done in the last 10 days in front of the viewership. Getting a lot of likes. Most of the comments are positive, but there's still that six or seven comments and they're bitching about the clickbait thumbnail. And those comments, why do I remember them? Because they stick out and that's the crap that drives creators down. And it happens whether it's just a small amount of comments or it's a shit load of them. And guess what? Disabling the dislikes doesn't get rid of the thing that actually makes creators feel bad. And that's the comment section. And they'll say, but we already gave you the tool for that, just turn comments off. You're right. Give us the tool to turn off likes and dislikes then. Problem solved. Oh, you don't like, CNN doesn't like that they're getting all their videos this like, the government doesn't like to get all their videos this like, Nintendo doesn't like it, YouTube doesn't like it. Then just turn it off for your video. Not a problem and you gotta worry about it. But why don't you turn it off? Because likes and dislikes are a valuable feedback tool. The number one thing YouTube is used for, by the way, guys, isn't all the stuff you see on trending, right? You'll see the music video, as you'll see the Minecraft players, the MrBeast videos, the PewDiePie. You'll see a bunch of really make up, you see a bunch of crazy stuff on, that are going viral on YouTube. But that's actually not what keeps YouTube relevant. It's tutorial video. Because when people search how to do things on Google, number one response are a bunch of YouTube videos. And how do people know at a glance if that YouTube video is worth their time for what they're looking for? The likes and dislikes, they ain't gonna read the comments, they're trying to figure something out. They don't have time. And they might get 10 minutes now into a video, not knowing how many dislikes it has, before they realize this video is bullshit. And then they go to leave a dislike, and they're like, oh, well, my dislike doesn't even matter. Because I'm leaving that feedback for future people that come to that video to know. Here's the problem with YouTube comparing themselves to other social media. And MKHB brought this up beautifully. They brought up, well, Twitter doesn't have it, which by the way, Twitter now has a dislike button on replies. So, technically Twitter is actually playing around with a dislike button. But Instagram doesn't have one, right? Facebook doesn't really have one. So like, they go through all this stuff and it's like, okay, but here's the thing. Here's what you're not thinking about. YouTube is not that kind of platform. YouTube provides guides, it's like, imagine if they said on Yelp, you couldn't leave one star reviews anymore because it hurts the mentality of the restaurant owner or whatever. No, you're fundamentally saying that things will have false high ratings. Yeah, and that's what's going to happen. YouTube is more comparable to something like that. It's a visual medium that has entertainment, but guides and everything. You have to consider the whole construct of YouTube and they didn't when they made this decision. Now, it's possible they re-roll it and YouTube has gone back before, but I mean, I thought I didn't know the room. They did try to do this before. I thought I heard something like a few years ago that they were going to hide the dislike button. I don't know. But the biggest thing for me as too is all the dislikes are still going to be seen by the seats. Well, and the thing is that they might eventually remove it and make it so where a content creator can't see the dislike. But you guys are probably going to wonder, why don't they just get rid of the dislike button altogether then, right? They just said, no one else has it, so okay, then why have a dislike button at all? And fine, be like the other social media platforms even though it's bullshit and makes it, basically it gets rid of user ratings and it's devaluing user ratings, which is stupid for a platform like YouTube that has so many things that user ratings matter. I can't tell you how much time was saved because of fricking downvotes on tutorials. I have watched so many great tutorials because of the like the dislike ratio. And I get it, some people don't like certain creators and guess what? Those creators already know and they're still going to see the dislikes anyway. Now, you can get rid of the dislikes altogether. But you know why YouTube doesn't? For those who don't know, the entirety of YouTube's algorithm, the entirety of YouTube itself is ran by AI. Oh yeah. AI already has the dislike and like interactions fundamentally built into it. To completely get rid of the ability to dislike would actually break the AI. Yeah. Found this out today from my meeting. So they can't get rid of the ability to dislike or it's going to mess up YouTube's algorithm. Oh yeah. So they might someday make it where even the content creator can't see only YouTube can see, but you'll always be able to dislike because it's baked into the AI. So why, leave it alone. It's like they're, I feel like YouTube has- They're searching for a problem. Yeah, I think that there's a real reason that they're doing it, but they know it's a really bad reason. And so they're just making up a reason. No, by the way, I'm not saying that their own content creator is going to dislike bomb, but you know why some of those content creators are getting dislike bomb? It did something to piss people off. Yeah. And people are allowed to be pissed off. Yeah. Like take Phillip Muson. Yeah. He gets dislike bombed and every video he puts up, guess what he did? He plagiarized and pissed a bunch of people off. What the fuck did you think was gonna, he plagiarized on his YouTube channel, let alone IGN. What do you think is gonna, you're telling that, you're basically saying you can do any of this stuff, you can plagiarize, you can do really bad things. And if it technically doesn't break YouTube's policies where your channel gets affected, then guess what? We're not gonna let people voice their displeasure over what you did. Now, again, there are silence, you still need your comment, but YouTube knows that most people don't read the comment. Yeah. Comments are read by a very small part, like fraction of people. Even look at my video today, 500, 600 likes or whatever it has. And look how many comments are in comparison. There's way more likes than comments because most people don't comment. It's a more common period. Or comment period. So like these live streams, we have 84 people here, there's not 84 people talking in the chat. Yeah. Most people are just here to watch. Hi. There's 79 likes, right? 79 people comment, like most people are just here to watch and enjoy. They put it on in the background and they go about their business. It's dumb. Like what are your thoughts about this all day? Cause you're not a content creator. So you're literally like, I consume content. Yeah. I just don't understand the concept of it. Why are you getting quote unquote, semi-getting rid of it? My brain just hurts. And then again, it gets this YouTube. So it doesn't. Well, you watch YouTube video, set aside, I forget what I do. All of us use YouTube at some point. Right. It's just, I don't know. It doesn't surprise me cause YouTube is sometimes, the things they do is just what, what, why, but the fact that you can't Well, a lot of the things you, well a lot of like your complaints with YouTube are because of, yeah, as a creator. Like just look at it from a peer review. Like you don't know that you can't contact anyone for hacking. Yeah. Look at it just from a viewer standpoint. Right. Okay, this is something that affects you. Yeah. A lot of times they do stuff that affects me. It might affect your ability to find my videos, but ultimately if I don't say anything about it, you don't know about it. My videos might just magically vanish and you have no idea why. But like, this is something that this affects, I still get to see this like, you don't. Yeah. So this affects someone like you more than me cause I'll still know what my ratios are. We've touched on it a lot. I mean it's, it's mostly like for the videos that are, you know, how to walk through random spam. I mean, you know, you click major click baby, you can see the, you know, I wish it actually, I wish they would put the like to this, like I don't know if they do or not, but like the dislike in the fricking like YouTube homepage where they fricking like with the video there too. So I know that it's, you know, I am curious. So I have an add-on on YouTube. I don't know if it's YouTube buddy or vid IQ, I can't, I don't know. But one thing my add-on does is, do I have it on, like right here on this screen here, like with your, with your thumbnails and stuff, give me the like, this like ratio cause then I know it's something to actually click beat it. Is it? Well, see, I have percentages here. Okay. 80% likes. Okay. So this, this is an add-on. Gotcha. A Google Chrome add-on. I don't know if it's vid IQ or YouTube buddy cause I have both. But the thing is it gives me the like to dislike ratio on most videos for some reason this one's not like. So I can see the like to dislike ratio without even clicking on the video. Right. My question is. Why is that not native? Well, this should be a native feature, but even if it's not native, my question are these things gonna work now? It might not be public, but if it's still accessible on the backend, will an app like this still allow me to access it, which still gives me the like to dislike ratio. I just have to do some math to figure out the exact numbers obviously when I click on it. But, cause I, cause again, this is about anyone can download these. This isn't just for, they are creator sent like YouTube buddy and vid IQ are creator centric add-ons. They're free and anyone can put them up. So if we can do that and still get access to them, that's fine, but also not fine because now you've got to get an add-on to see a feature that YouTube had. Right. And they didn't have this one where you can see it before clicking on the video. Yeah. But like at least here like I can click on the video and I think it still tells me the percentage or maybe it only tells me on the outside. Vid IQ. Yeah. Does it still give me, just give it a second it's still loading. Yeah. So it doesn't give me it on the inside. It only gives me it. But you can see the likes and dislikes though. Well, yeah. Now I can. Right. But. And like I will also wish that, okay, let's say YouTube is going to make this a general policy. We're going to generally make it so it's not viewable hopefully. Give individual content creators the ability to turn it on. I don't care if people dislike my video. Turn it on. Yeah. It just don't, it makes no sense. Let it be viewable publicly. Now the thing is people that have crappy tutorials and know they have crappy tutorials are going to turn it on. I'm going to turn it off. But then in that case that might be a red flag. You don't see the likes and dislikes that could be the red flag then. Well at least that's something. Right. It's something. So it's kind of like oh why are they hiding it? Yeah. We're the ones that have the good tutorials are going to have their like dislikes displayed. So if you go. Literally if it's all about mental health I just I kept saying the solution is so easy. If their reasons are real which I think their reasons are some outside pressures happening either from brands could be some of their ads because YouTube guys what the money? That could be like brands are not happy that their stuff's appearing on massively dislike videos. Well the dislikes are public the brands can't see it so they don't know. Yeah. Where's that? Also people have talked about how it's possible that there was some pressure from the government. Now we don't go into politics but a lot of the videos put out by the US government over the Trump and now Biden era have been massively disliked. And people say you know that's a reflection on the presidency and maybe it is I have no idea. But here's what I do know. It does feel suspicious that maybe the government could reach out and say hey we don't want this anymore. Now we're not saying begin but this is the thing. This is a conspiracy theory that exists because the reasoning they gave doesn't make any sense. But here's also a thing. The mental health is solved by just telling them they can turn off likes and dislikes. If the brands are the ones that are coming saying don't put our, we don't want our video ads on videos that are you know. A certain percentage. Dislike. All you have to do is put the code in. But even then, even then I could see why YouTube might be like hey look we're not going to, we don't want to make it so say it's like if you have a 50% dislike ratio or a more than 50% dislike ratio you don't get ads. No, no, I'm not saying don't get ads. I'm saying just those specific videos don't get the high quality ads. They get the ones that don't care if they're on that video or not. You can write that code. It's not, it really isn't that hard. No you're right. I could probably do it. Well that assumes you know how the AI works. But you know what I'm saying? If you were on the development team you could. I could write something that would do that. Yeah. I just want, I don't know. YouTube is a monopoly. And they get away with being a monopoly because they're technically not by legal definition a monopoly. You can still upload videos a daily motion. You can go to Vimeo. Vimeo kind of like. There are all the bit shoot. I don't even know. There's a whole bunch of alternative platforms that you could upload videos to. Even Twitch I think added the ability to upload standalone videos that aren't streamed. I don't know if that feature's still there. I don't know many people that used it even when it was there. And like you could say well Twitch isn't a monopoly anymore in streaming because YouTube's really big in streaming. So sure Twitch has competition. But the thing is only YouTube seems to have the upload make money format. Everything else is like oh yeah we have ability to make money but it's like people donating or becoming members. Not the app. Like YouTube is a monopoly because one it's Google. Google owns something like 85% of all search traffic goes through Google in the world. So you have that. You have them prioritizing YouTube over these other platforms. Which they're going to. They own it. And you could say well that's not fair for search engine results. And YouTube will always respond ah ah ah. You can go turn off settings in your profile that will change your search results. And so we're not using track data. We're not using YouTube. We're just going to give you a random results based on some other. That should be automatically turned off. And yeah I have to go in and turn it on. And then they don't even tell you about it. It's in there for legal reasons it's in there. But. And the thing is I don't care because YouTube does tend to have the best guide. It does like in general most people are pleased with YouTube search results. Except for the people that can't get ranked on the search results. So like yeah because Google owns most of the search traffic and because how you find other video platforms is through search engines. And because YouTube prioritizes or Google prioritizes YouTube. You're just more likely. Everything's funneled to YouTube. And I'm pretty sure. YouTube. I think I think ah I think the ranking of the most popular websites in the world goes Google number one, YouTube number two. And that lets you know like there's no other video service which isn't even close. There's no other video service even closer. Tells you how much a monopoly they have. And I think what's happened is it's so big that I think the government and everyone else that might consider a monopoly at one point can't do anything about it. It's like it's too big to take out. It's too important. There's too much happening on it. The government itself uses it. Like it's one of those if they might know it's a monopoly but it's also like but it's so big that they can't stop it. Because if we do verb the bag. Because there is no viable alternative. Right. So it'd be kind of like, you know, like Windows lost, you know, a lot of time will go over to me in a monopoly. I can't remember what they were doing at the time. They wanted to buy up something and the government said no. This was back before Mac made a comeback. You know, because Mac was a thing but then they almost got taken out by Microsoft and Linux was almost taken out for a little bit. But now Linux has actually grown up a little bit. And obviously, you know, Mac has made a huge comeback. You know, they've become especially for professionals been a really big deal. I wish I had the new MacBook Pro M1 Macs thing. I asked $3,500. Oh my God, it edits like, I'm sorry. I saw it, I saw it render an 8K 15 minute video with way fancier edits than I have. And it fricking rendered that thing in two minutes and 30 seconds. I'm sorry. That's a laptop. Damn. That's a lap. That's a hot damn. Let me tell you, we can have our criticism of Apple but when it comes to creativity and production. Oh my God. It's very possible that Microsoft did bail out Apple just because it would have turned into an anomaly. But it's one of those situations where that was stopped before it really became, you know, the monopoly. The monopoly was stopped before the monopoly happened. It's too late. So it's kind of like, you know, the government getting all mad at Facebook but it's like, you have a Facebook, you know, it is technically the only social media that's really like it. Like, what's the closest link then? That's for professionals. It's a totally different kind of audience. It's like, there isn't really another thing like Facebook. Like Twitter, there's technically an alternative to Twitter now because Trump launched one. But like, there really isn't like a true alternative to Twitter or a true alternative to Facebook or a true alternative to YouTube. They all kind of have a monopoly, or even Twitch, they all have monopolies in their space. And it's also kind of like our cable companies. In internet companies. The second of that. Yeah. Well, the point I'm not really making is that it's just YouTube can do whatever the hell they want and we can't really do much about it. We just give backlash and hope they listen. And I think there are people like Google that care and people at YouTube that probably care. It's just, they can't do anything about it. They're not the highest. Everything, every decision made is about the bottom line. And this is why I keep thinking, the reasoning they gave doesn't make sense. All of us creators know. Every creator I've ever taught you, I've taught the people that only have 1,000 subs, 10 subs, million subs. I've talked to all across the spectrum. The number one thing that stresses us out has nothing to do with likes and dislikes. All about the comments. And this is why a lot of bigger creators have learned, just don't ever read the comments. Oh yeah. Yeah. Just don't read. Which then creates a disconnect with the community. So there's a whole, there is downside to that. You're not as connected with your community because you're not reading and seeing what they're even saying. Even the positive. Even if you're like Philip DeFranco, just read the top voting comments. They're usually not negative. He has a team and somebody else will do it. He's not gonna do it himself because he'll read that and then he'll see that one comment or that one reply that's all negative and it just eats at him. Why would that person think that? Like they're just, you can't do anything about it. Like me. Yes. I told, I literally admitted to like three people today that commented, oh, your thumb is, yeah, it's clickbait. Welcome to YouTube. You know what's funny about this clickbait? I usually don't make thumbnails like that. And you guys that are my regulars know I usually don't make thumbnails like that. But I do it once in a while. And you know what happens every single time I do it? It becomes the number one view video. It becomes the number one liked video and I gain 50 to 100 new subscribers. Every time when I don't make thumbnails like that and I make the thumbnails, people say they want. I get less views. I actually lose subscribers. And to be completely honest, I've seen a lot of your, I see a lot of your thumbnails come across tonight. Most of them aren't clickbait. All that clickbaiting. But the one today was because what was clickbait about it today was, yeah, there was big news and I feel like there were actually big news stories. I don't feel the wording was clickbait or obviously the image of me, it's me. I'm the one in the video. It's not clickbait. But I put the image in the background is of a made up switch UI. And that was not in the news. That's clickbait. That's the clickbaiting, okay. And I fully admit it's clickbait. And you know what? I don't really care. I took three hours to make that damn video today. Three hours. By the time I even got it done, I had no time to throw together a thumbnail. And while I have a thumbnail guy that does really good work, bottom line is one, he's not always available. And two, I can't always afford to use them all the time. Okay, I'll give you an idea. He actually has good rates. Fall bucks the thumbnail, really good rates. Well, I put out 40, 50 videos a month. Do the math on that. And you tell me that I can just throw away that. Would you basically, would you rather me do giveaways or rather me pay the thumbnail guy? And even then, the amount I have to pay him is more than I probably spend on giveaways. Probably more than the channel makes it because not every video even makes 12 bucks. So it's just a, yeah. I clickbait sometimes with my thumbnails. I mean, name me a channel. But it's social media. Name me a channel it doesn't. There's a lot that don't do it that much. Like, I never feel like spawnway clickbaits much. But it's funny, because I've talked to him, I've taught the job behind the scenes. And he said some very interesting things about some of the reasons he makes certain videos. And it's like, he's taking advantage of certain things on YouTube as well. People just don't realize it. But like, as an example, you know, like, I'm just going through his thumbnail. His thumbnails don't really look clickbait. Yeah. And that's fine. That's not how we built his audio. Yeah. But then, you know, you get the things like Nintendo, like SwitchForce, everyone knows he, every thumbnail he does a clickbait. Nintendo reports next switch console plus switch online expansion. So this was talking about the investors report. We've reported on this as well. And his thumbnail is a switch color combination that doesn't exist. And then a fake UI. And a Game Boy color. Which, yeah, which we think about. He says, plus switch online expansion, nowhere in the expansion talk did they mention Game Boy. Yeah. So he threw a Game Boy on there, which is a reference to old rumors, but has nothing to do technically with the story. So it's kind of like, the Game Boy is clickbait because it makes you think, oh, because he says, Nintendo reports next switch console plus switch online expansion. Oh, and he throws a Game Boy in the thumbnail but the Nintendo just announced Game Boy game. Right, right. UI, oh my gosh. They messed with Nintendo switch online. So did they change the UI? Like, again, this is a YouTube game. Here's the thing, 96% like the dislike ratio, 65K views is one of his better performing videos. This is like the YouTube game. Yeah. The thing is, here's the way I view YouTube. I need to get people through the door. Once they're through the door, are they satisfied by the content given to them? The hardest thing on YouTube, even when you open up a retail store to get people in. Once they're in, can you give them a satisfactory experience? So let's say my thumbnails clickbait today. Right, let's just look at the like the dislike ratio, click on that. Again, something that apparently won't be publicly viewable anymore. Yeah. So it's 95%, which looks about right in line with the rest of my videos that didn't have clickbait. What does that tell me? A majority of people that clicked that video enjoyed the content that was on the inside, even if it wasn't what the thumbnail might have led you to believe this. They either enjoyed the fact that we're doing a giveaway. And it's almost a full 1K more views than... Well, it's even more than that. You guys can't see the real time views like I can. The front facing views on all my videos, unless they're older videos are not in real time. Like it's at 5.8 and what did it say? 5.7, 5.4, 5.4. So it's 400 views more than what it says. Probably gonna be at 6,000 here before I wake up tomorrow. And the thing is, look at my prior videos, I didn't have a thumbnail like that, 3.6K, 4.7. It's a live stream, I don't call that. And then look, 7.7. You know what's funny about that 7.7K video? The rest of the, it says huge leaks. All the red dead thing was mentioned. Zelda's on the left, Zelda's not part of the video at all. There's a little bit of, there's a true part and a fake part, a little bit of clickbait. 7.7K views, 96% like the dislike ratio. I ended up gaining 150 subscribers off that video. What's next? That's a stream, let me see. Whoa, new games and features. That image on the switch that I'm pointing an arrow at, fake UI. Huge news, Nintendo confirms next generation platform. Okay, that's a less clickbait-y title, got 11K, but think about what the topic is. Next generation platform, Nintendo, obviously, there are certain topics that carry themselves. There are certain things you don't need to clickbait because the story itself is that big. But like, you know, like this thing with sales, sales, sales, I paid for this, this one thumbnail says, sales, sales, sales. This was Nintendo's update to their financial report their update for the thing. Sales, sales, sales with the money sign. Nothing clickbait-y about that thumbnail. 3.3K views. I'm one of the most important news videos I made all month. I paid 12 bucks for that thumbnail. That video made $8. I lost money because I paid for a good thumbnail because it doesn't matter if the thumbnail looks pretty. Yeah. Because that thumbnail kicks the shit out of mine. Yeah. It matters that the thumbnail gets people in the door. So that thumbnail, as great as it looks, is a failed thumbnail. Did not get people in the door. Now, what would have got people in the door? I don't know. Yeah. Maybe a massive sales chart, showing Switch, smashing through the Wii, even though it hasn't outsold the Wii yet. That would be total clickbait. It hasn't outsold the Wii. But thumbnail can make you think it did. Yeah, yeah. And I'm sitting in the mind like, that would have been a better type of thumbnail, but it also would have been a lie. So YouTube encourages you to clickbait to get people in the door. But so does all social media. And again, it goes back to also interactions with the video because they come in and either dislike the video. Even when people leave negative comments, you'll have to comment that interaction matters and actually helps push the video. I always tell people, if you really dislike something, don't open the video for starters because you clicked on it, that's an interaction. Don't dislike the video because that's another interaction. And don't comment because that's another interaction. Every interaction you do makes the video get more views. You really don't want videos to do well. Don't ever look at them, just ignore they exist. Like Phillip Muson, you don't want his videos to do well, stop paying attention to them. You want my videos to do well because you're a big fan, cool. Click on every video, like every video or dislike, I guess, whatever. And leave a comment. Also, I would appreciate if you stick around for 10 minutes because that helps with watch time. And YouTube will go, hey, that's cool. We're gonna push you to more people. But also, YouTube doesn't like that I tell you to do that because that's exactly how the algorithm works. They don't want me to tell you that's how the algorithm works. Because you're not supposed to know how the algorithm works. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out though. But it is constantly changing. Like there's some things about the algorithm I learned today that I wasn't aware of. That will obviously be taken advantage of. But even like when I was talking to some people that do know the YouTube algorithm, it's like, yeah, they look at my thumbs and they go, oh yeah. They said, well, you know, you might have clicked baited them in, but it was the video good. I'm like, yeah. Yeah, look at that, people really liked it. Yeah. Yeah. Now look, if I get a massive dislike ratio which you guys can't see anymore. Yeah, right. On a click baited thumbnail, okay. Back to that. That was, I feel I failed then. Yeah. The content of the video wasn't good enough to, I guess, make up for the fact that maybe you- Forget. Maybe you- Forget how you clicked in. Yeah. But just like, I think I put on a quality video show. I don't know compared to other YouTubers, but I feel like I put on an easy show. So yeah, I don't know what the hell YouTube's doing. I think this is all stupid. Yeah, very much so. I agree. It's dumb. Do you think this might kill tutorials? It's a very, it's a very big possibility. I mean, the only thing that you're gonna have to look at- Because all it's gonna take is enough people watching enough tutorials that suck. Yeah. And feel like they wasted their time to like, fuck this, I'm not looking up tutorials on YouTube anymore. Yeah. It's possible. I don't know where they're gonna go. They'll just go back to reading articles. I'm like, yeah, great. They'll probably have YouTube videos, right? Yeah. I don't know. It's, it's, I just think it's stupid all around. By the way, I can understand why, you know, like, why Twitter or like Facebook or whatever, Instagram. I might not have a dislike button because the thing about those platforms is each person on that platform represents basically the cells for the most part and those people have agencies. Yeah. If you're on Instagram, you're on Instagram yourself. If you're on Twitter, you're just on Twitter as yourself, et cetera. So like, there can be like a mental toll of people's disliking. Like, can you put up a photo of your kids and get a bunch of dislikes? You know, like, that could be like, that's my kids, don't, don't, no. Yeah. There's certain things that are off limits. Like, you just don't do that. But that could be like, really, you know, hurtful. Whereas YouTube is about content creation. It's not about, it can be personal. Vloggers and all that, but it's about content creation. It usually represents either an entity or even if it represents a person. It's still like, but it's within the contents of the content you're creating. Like, the content I create on my channel isn't reflection of me as a parent. But the content I might post on Facebook, people can perceive as the reflection of me as a parent, even though that's not really a true reflection either. So we'll personalize, I would say. Yeah, I could see that. There's a disconnect with me in YouTube. I could literally just not go on YouTube and it doesn't matter. But I don't even think I get notifications for YouTube anymore. I never turned them off, by the way. Yeah, now I get you. Thanks, YouTube. I think I get your notifications like. A day later? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, okay, I'm glad the notification went up but also because it's news videos that notification four days later doesn't matter to me. Yep. It matters if it's a discussion video. Yeah. But I don't do a lot of this. Or do more of those. Yeah, but the discussion video is one, I don't always have a good thing to talk about too. It's not always, I like talking on news. Basically what I'm trying to say, I like what I do. I don't want to have to like, I'll do discussion videos when I feel like it, but I don't want to feel like I have to make those kind of videos. Great. It's like, it's like people always say, why did you expand into reviews? I'm not good at reviewing games. Well, that. People enjoy like a lot of criticism. I'm not as critical about crap like you guys are. I think the Mario movie is a good movie. The original. I really enjoy it. And there goes the subs. A lot of people don't. Zelda II was my favorite Zelda until Breath of the Wild. Ocarina of Time is on my top 10. I'm just not as critical as other people. Like I just pretty much enjoy everything. There are things I don't like. Like some things I don't like about, you know, some of the new Star Wars movies, but in general, they're fine. I still enjoy it. It was a good watch. I'm just kind of easy going that way. I'm easy to entertain. Yeah. Which also means I waste too much time on my phone being entertained by running down shit. Oh my God. I'm on TikTok watching the same dance for the 50 billion time. But for some reason, this one has a slightly different body movement. And I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. And then I watch it on repeat for like 20 minutes. And I'm like, what am I doing? Right? I don't know. All right. Is there any topics from the chat? We'll take two. We'll do two quick topics from the chat and then we're calling it tonight. Letting the chat kind of catch up here. I was clicked off of the stream chat. Yeah. Do you see anyone quick? Anyone do you want to grab? Or is it not caught up here? There's nothing then. Nothing really there. Nothing really there? I'm still catching up, so I have no idea. This PC can't stay live on the freaking stream either. For some other reason, it don't matter. I can just let it play and play and play and it won't stay live. So one thing I'll say about, so one thing I do want to mention about clickbait thumbnails or clickbait titles is another thing is I mentioned earlier that when there is a really great story, the story is so great that you don't need to do that. But here's the problem. When you're a daily content creator and you have a bunch of news that you talk about every day and you know not all of this news is like as exciting as a new system announcement or a new Zelda trailer or whatever. Like you know it's just not as big a deal as some of the bigger announcements. You still need to find a way to get people through the door. It's kind of like, oh yeah, my stores are gonna do phenomenal during Black Friday but I still gotta get people to shop through the summer. So it's like, that's kind of why you might see news channels in particular like clickbait a lot to get you through the door because unless the story itself is so big it carries the news. It's like we need to get you to view and how are we gonna do that without baiting you a little bit. And you can say, well not everybody, you're right but a lot of news channels do it, which is what it is. Even Philip DeFranco, love his show. But there's a lot of times like he's literally thanking creators for doing dumb shit so he can make some really stupid headline that's totally clickbait and throw them in the thumbnail and he knows it because he gets an extra few hundred thousand views because of it. And he literally talks about it in the video and like makes a joke and thanks people for it because it's like, he clickbaits too because that's like you have to give people the door even when the news isn't that interesting. Yeah. You know? Yeah. No I get you. Because some of these content creators this is their only source of revenue. They gotta worry about the news. For sure. Hate saying that. Yeah. But if you're not increasing your views on your videos, you're not growing. You're getting stagnant and if you get stagnant for nine months of the year but only like four videos have really great news that are gonna be viewed by a lot of people. Like as an example, I could not clickbait and just not make videos except for when there's really big news. You'll get like a video every other month. Is that what you guys want for me? You want a video every other month? Okay, finally, an actual like question question. Do you think the Metroid Prime remake is real? If so, do you think we'll see it soon maybe before E3 next year? I think it is real because I trust Emily Rogers. You didn't give us, my name plus rabbit's king in the battle. But I think it is real. I think we could see it before E3 because it could be, if it's done, like she claims it is, it could literally be a spring title. Could see it at the game war. Could see it at the game war. But I mean, they could hold off and make it like an E3 reveal, drop it in the fall. It's kind of whenever Nintendo decides to release it. Like Mario Odyssey was done in 2016 but they knew they had Breath of the Wild at launch so they were gonna make that the holiday. They just chose to release it later. So it's one of those situations that it might be dumb but you know, when are they gonna bring it out? Well, we'll have to wait and see. And now this again presumes it's real which I tend to believe most of what Emily Rogers says. She's not always right. Nobody's always right. But she seems pretty damn confident this thing's done. And I know for a fact that she has contacts at retro because she's been right about a lot of retro stuff. So we'll have to wait and see. By the way, nobody, over like the last 20 years everyone's been trying to figure out how Emily Rogers knows anybody. No one can figure it out. Like she clearly knows somebody that works at Nintendo but nobody knows how. And I have a sneaky suspicion that Emily Rogers is not even her real name. No, probably not. And I often, because like, I often wonder if she's like married to like a Nintendo. Because man, she gets some really exact info. Mario plus Rabbids Kingdom metal that she leaked like six months before we even knew. It's like, I think she leaked it in October of 2016. That's a really exact name and title. Mario with guns, you knew that? Yeah, right. I thought you were crazy and then what happened? Yeah. Has Eric seen Last Stream yet? He's our eye candy. I did send him a screenshot of the chat. Yeah. You're apparently the eye candy. Yeah, I don't, sure. I don't understand that, but sure. Why don't you pick out a topic quick and then we'll call him a day. I mean, the only other question that has come through that's a legitimate question is what do you think the next gen system is gonna be like, what's your opinion on the next Nintendo console? How do you imagine it? Switch two. Yeah, it's gonna be an upgraded switch. That's what I hoped. Same concept, better dock, better all around. Like think about all the quality of life improvements but just more of them. Maybe redesigned Joy-Cons, although probably still compatible with the old ones. Like they might use the same rail system but they redesigned the controllers. So they have a new version of the controllers, but again, you can still use your old accessories. An old controller. And yeah, just using more modern technology. Yeah. I think that's all they need to do. Right, exactly. But Nintendo doesn't always do what we need to do. It could literally be a stick, they fucking TV and just now it's game streaming. You never know with Nintendo, but I feel like they tend to like, okay, they did Wii and then they followed up with Wii U, they did a DS, followed up with 3DS, they did a NES, followed up with SNES. I'm still waiting for the Goomba system. So it's good. So Nintendo kind of always follows it with something that's similar in a way. So I'm hoping that they do that again, mostly because I think it'll work better this time around than it has in the past. Now, do I think a Switch 2 will sell as well as the original Switch that? I don't know. But I will say, there's still not a lot of competitors on the market, so Nintendo's still kind of in the market of their own. So, unless, I mean, when you're only on the competitor's valve, I think they can hit 100 million again with the Switch 2. Yeah. Just saying. But, you know, this assumes no other competitors come along. Right, right. Eric is hot, apparently. You know, what was the thing you mentioned to me when I sent it to you? I think they're all men, so why don't I care? I'm flattered, but 90% of them are probably men and I don't swing that way, so. All right. Any females in the chat got something nice to say about Eric. There's gotta be at least a few of you, right? I feel like every stream we have, at least a handful of females is that. And no, I'm not talking about internet girls, AKA guys in real life. Is that even a term people use anymore? I don't know. That doesn't make me sound ancient. Yeah, right. That's your ASL. That's ancient. Oh, God. All right, well, I think that's gonna do it. I think you got so much for tuning in. It was a fun stream. You guys are awesome. Thank you for turning into episode 24 of the Nintendo Prime Podcast. You normally can listen to us on iTunes and everywhere else. Again, things are being reconfigured behind the scenes. We'll give you guys updates on that outside of the podcast as well. I'll remind you in other live streams and videos I'm doing that, hey, when the new channel is set up, go subscribe to it. So everything's all good to go. Obviously I expect viewership to be a bit lower there compared to here, at least at the start. Who knows? Maybe growing the podcast audience on its own might actually lead to more views. And you might actually get notifications for a newer channel that's just about one thing. Yeah. Maybe. That's the theory. A game theory. Thanks for playing or watching or whatever the hell map happens. Yeah. I usually don't make it to the end of this video. Once he says, and that's a game theory, and I'm like, all right, click that. He's done. Crap. All right. Catch you guys later. Peace out. You're right.