 Okay, let's pray and then we'll get started. Yeah, let's pray. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Father, we praise you. We praise you. We give you thanks. We thank you for this week, Lord. We thank you for, Lord, that you are in every day and you are in every week. You know the end from the beginning or the all-knowing one, the one who is good, the one who's good all the time, the one whose thoughts for us are good thoughts, plans for us are good plans, purposes for us, good purposes. Father, we thank you that we have you as our God. We thank you, Lord. We thank you, Lord. Even as we draw near, we draw near with thanksgiving. You know, let's just give him thanks. Let's give him praise. Let's thank him for who he is. Father, we thank you, Lord. You're a savior. You're a healer. You're a deliverer. You're a provider. And Father God, we know that these are not just empty words, God, but these are who you are and who you've, Lord, introduced yourself to be, Lord, in your word and Lord, we as your people, we've experienced this, O God. And I just pray that even as we get to know you that we will experience all of these, God, in an even greater measure in the coming days, Father God, as the deliverer, as the provider, O God, as the bondage breaker. Yes, Father God, we thank you. We thank you. As the God of miracles, hallelujah, e'eru mosik yendere. We thank you, Father God, we praise you. We praise you, we praise you, we praise you. We thank you. We thank you for every blessing. We thank you for your presence, Father God, the greatest blessing of all, O God. And we thank you for salvation, the greatest gift of all. We thank you, God. We thank you for all that we, Lord, enjoy the peace that we enjoy, Lord, despite all circumstances, despite all challenges, your peace, O God, your supernatural peace, which goes beyond, O God, and above and beyond our reasonings, God, we thank you, Master, we thank you. e'eru mosik yendere. O God, we thank you. We bless your name. You know, in Hebrews 4, we also see that we are called to draw near with in confidence in boldness to receive grace and to receive mercy. So even as we draw near with thanksgiving, we can also draw near with expectation to receive, to receive grace and mercy. So let's do that as well. Let's ask the Lord to pour out His grace, to pour out His mercy. Even as we draw near with boldness, and as we draw near with confidence, hallelujah. Thank you, Lord. We thank you that you consider us to be recipients of your grace. Lord, you've called us to be recipients of your mercy, Father God. We thank you. And we thank you. We can not call upon your name. We thank you that you are accessible to us, Lord, and you made the way clear. There's nothing hidden. There's nothing, O God, interrupting. There's nothing in the way. We draw near with confidence, Lord, to receive your grace, to receive your mercy. Yes, Lord, we thank you. We thank you, Father God. We thank you. Thank you for the cleansing. Thank you for the washing. Thank you, Master. Thank you for the confidence that we have in you, O God. Thank you for clothing us with your righteousness, God. We thank you. Hallelujah. Bless your name. Bless your name, God. We thank you. Yes, Lord, we come at this day. We come at this week into your mighty hands. Yes, Lord, continue to lead us, continue to unfold your plans and purposes in our lives, Lord. We just want to live for you and we want to be doing things, thinking things, Lord, being Lord people who are well-pleasing to you, God. We thank you. We give you all the praise and all the glory in Jesus' matchless name. We pray. Amen. Amen. Okay. God bless. Those of you who joined us now, welcome. God bless. I see the class is full. It's just a couple of announcements before we progress. I just want to know, are there people here who are not part of the biblical preaching class? If you can just put your hand up, please. You're saying, I'm here. I've signed up for this course, Minister of the Pastry Evangelist Teacher, but I'm not in a biblical preaching or homiletics class. Anyone like that over here? No? So everyone signed up for both the courses. Okay, that makes things simpler. Okay. So today will be the last session for this course, Ministry of the Pastry Evangelist Teacher and also just want to make this announcement for those of you who are on the eLearning platform that today is the last session for this course and there will be the online tests which will be the grading for the course, the graded tests, which will be released later. So you can be mindful of that. Just check that out. But today will be the last class for this course, okay? And for the online students, for those of you who are here, from next Monday onwards, what we'll do is we'll, in case some of you just stumble onto this classroom, I'll put up the link for the other course which is biblical preaching. So even if you come here, you just click and you'll be redirected to that course, right? So I'll put that in the stream. So we'll join in the, both on Mondays as well as the biblical preaching class which is on Wednesdays, we'll do biblical preaching. So we'll have the presentations and probably 30 minutes of teaching followed by presentations. So those of you who have not yet signed up for the presentation, for the sermon presentation, please do that. You can fill in on the first page, you fill in the sermon topic and the sermon title and the main points and on the second page, the second tab which is there, you can sign up for, sorry, I mean, you know your schedule so you can plan accordingly, right? Okay, so let's go as per that schedule. Okay, and for the e-learning platform, of course this doesn't apply, you just prepare your message and as instructed in the discussions, you record it and you put it on the discussions page and I'll get back to you with comments and feedback. So all you have to do is record it and put it on the discussions. You'll put the link for your video, sermon video on the discussions page, right? Okay, so let's continue from where we left off. Last class, we were looking at the life of, the life administer of the pastor and which pastor were we discussing? Anyone? Pastor Ashish. Okay, Pastor Ashish and we did some trivia also on his name. Anyone remember the full name? Yes, Pastor Ashish Srikanth Raichur. Yeah, it's Ashish Srikanth Raichur, not pastor. Okay, yeah, that's right. So that's correct. So we looked at the life early on how we started off and we see the apostolic grace, the anointing. So whichever season of life you see him starting a new work, like planting a work which would grow, which would become even a church. And also he served in existing churches as well. You see the apostolic grace, which is to start a work where there's no work. And also we see the pastor, the gathering of people, the nurturing in the word and enabling people to discover the call and the purpose. And of course I shared my own testimony of, having discovered the call of God in this church. And it just came here to visit, to serve as a visiting minister in worship and the prophetic word coming there and then a lot of things happened after that. But they really, God sends a fuma. He brought me here, the prophetic word that he's called me to be a pastor and then ended up serving in the same church after I think maybe four years after that prophecy, ended up serving in the same church, starting as a volunteer and then on to become staff serving full time. And so gradually discovering the prophetic call being trained in it as we began to attend the church and so on. So that is something that happened also about the life of apostatias, personal growth, personal spiritual growth and prayer and quiet time with the Lord as not as something that is foundational, something that is given and not something which is optional. And I'm just gonna be sharing some stories. So just to my observations. So it's something that for us to learn as well. So this happened early on in 2005, 2006. So we were going for a meeting. We were going for a, this was a meeting which was happening in some place in North Karnataka, Belgam, Hoobli at Belgam. These are two cities close to each other. So we were going for one of the meetings there. I think it was Hoobli. So we were going there and then I think a group of maybe 10 or 12 of us going in a train. And so around, the train reaches Hoobli maybe around seven or eight ish, I forget, maybe six, 30. But I noticed that around three or four, I saw Pastor Ashish get up from this, his bunk, his birth in the train and then get up and go. Then I thought he was going to the restroom. So I didn't see him come back for a long time. So then I wanted to go to the restroom. So I went and then I saw him standing in between that area there, where you have the restrooms in the train. So standing there, I just praying, just praying and praying in the spirit. So it was around 334 ish. So then I just said, hello, man, came back. Then I was thinking to myself, yeah, he was the main speaker for the meeting. So this meeting was about two days or three days. So yeah, I know he must be preparing. So he's praying and preparing. And so I didn't quite expect that on the train at three o'clock in the morning. So we went for the meeting, we finished the meetings and we were on our way back. And that particular Sunday, we had a guest speaker. And those days, we just had two locations. Right now we have five locations, church locations in Bangalore. Those days, we just had two locations, one the central location, Bangalore Central and then the other one South, Bangalore South. So there's two locations. And we had a guest speaker, right? Speak at both locations. And so for that particular Sunday. So anyway, so we were all coming back and again, on the journey back to Bangalore and we were arriving, I think it's probably Saturday morning, I noticed the same thing, three o'clock, get up and go. So, and I was curious this time. So I just went and kind of saw what he was doing. So he was again, you know, praying and deep in prayer, you know, and then I realized, you know, so prayer was not an option, right? For this person and a very valuable lesson, right? So I knew in my mind, you know, this is the time to relax. You just finished a meeting, you know, three days of ministry and, you know, it was right from the whole day. So this is the time to just relax and, you know, you have a guest speaker speaking on Sunday. So you don't have to, you know, really intensely prepare or something. So you can just relax. But that was not so, at least for him. His time with God was something that was guarded, precious, something that was there as a lifeline. You know, it was not there as an option, this time with God. So that was a very valuable lesson that I learned as I observed that in, you know, as a minister of God, you know, as a child of God, really, that time with God is really, is a privilege for us, right? And it's something that is not an option. It is as important for us as eating, drinking, breathing, even. It is our lifeline, right? So that is something that stayed with me through the years to realize that, hey, you know, you don't take time off from God. You know, you could be on vacation, but you don't take time off from God because he is our lifeline and our, you know, yeah, I'm not saying that you need to kind of, you know, physically work yourself up and always be paranoid about it, but then really enjoying the presence of God and being in the presence of God is really a privilege for us. So make use of that, right? So that's something I realized. Personal spiritual growth, personal time with God is not an option. It's not for the sake of ministry. You know, that was something that it's not just to prepare a message because it can easily become that. You can easily come to that when one gets into the so-called full-time ministry. There is that pressure to, of course, to share the word. There is that internal pressure to prepare, et cetera, because we can and we can't. So that is always there. But our time with God is not just for that. It's not just for that. It's not just for that particular event or a weekend service. It is something that we enjoy, something that we need to enjoy, and it is something as important for us as breathing. And the Lord Jesus made it very clear. Man should not live by bread and law, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. And, you know, that word used there is reema, every word, and how can we, you know, receive the reema from God unless we spend time in the word and in His presence, right? So that's an important lesson. Also, personal life and character holding oneself accountable to a very high model standard, being impartial and being a person of integrity is also something, you know, there were many, like one of the instances is for the pastor to conduct a wedding, right? To conduct a wedding ceremony and to officiate and to legally do that, you know, you need to get a license from the government. And then it's a long procedure here. I don't know how it is now, but it was a long procedure doing this and that. And then the people whom we contacted to, you know, to get a license also, you know, always suggested some shortcuts. And because we didn't have a church location, all our church locations are either rented or we use facilities which are, you know, given freely, one of them, you know, it's a school which is given, the policy of the school is for us to, you know, for churches to have a service there. So things like that. So we don't have our own church building, right? At least not yet. So the thing is, as part of this giving of this license apparently, you know, the official comes and visits and checks the, you know, where is the church meeting, et cetera. So anyway, so one way, there's a police verification. So when you went to the police station and then, you know, things. So people, the questions asked where, you know, where does the church meet? And so he said, hey, we don't have this thing as yet, but the person who was helping or getting the paperwork done said, you know, just say this, you know, say that this is where you meet. But he said, no, that's our office. That's our registered office. The church doesn't meet there. No, no, but it's okay. You just tell them. So he just left the place and came and from then, you know, from that day, from that year, we didn't even bother applying, but we made use of the services God really provided that avenue, services of the registrar of Christian marriages. So for the weddings that we do, the registrar of Christian marriages is here to get the paperwork done so that we can conduct the ceremony and the wedding ceremony, but the registrar is there to do the paperwork and to make it legal as per the norms of the government. So we see that there are no shortcuts, no compromises when it comes to, you know, these kind of things. So observe that as well. Another aspect, very important aspect of ministry is also the rhythm of ministry, you know, what we call as a work-life balance. Now, when I joined the ministry, I observed that I saw that, you know, Pastor Ashish was running his software business and of course the ministry, which was again growing, that is the time when we started the Bible College 2005 and also there were other things, you know, church plans, church locations coming up in Bangalore city itself. So one by one. So there was a lot of workload, both in terms of ministry, software business of also growing, and of course, a family and, you know, two children and spending time with him and so on. But I see that, you know, he had this or still has that rhythm of ministry. You know, when it comes to family and there's nothing, you know, there's no negotiation, you know, family time is family time and the understanding that the God who called him to ministry is the God who designed family, marriage and family, right? So for us to have that understanding as well to say that, you know, it seems noble to say, you know, well, I'm really busy. I'm really working busy for the Lord. I'm going here, traveling here, doing this, attending or, you know, going for meetings and preaching in this meeting, sharing in this meeting or some evangelistic meeting here, there. And to say that, you know, I don't even have time for family, but I'm doing all this. Seems very noble, but really, that is misplaced zeal, you know, or misplaced enthusiasm for ministry really because we are neglecting completely what God has designed for us and, you know, and skewed to one aspect of life and ministry. And what we need to understand and realize is that if this gets affected, if family life, if marriage and family is affected, then it's going to creep into ministry as well, right? And the Lord who created or invited us for ministry is the one who designed family and marriage. So therefore that needs to be taken care of as well. I remember Saturdays when the children were growing up that he would not schedule anything, no appointments, no meetings, nothing at all. And, you know, play football with the children and then take them for music classes or, you know, anything like that. So something like that. So he would take care of that, right? So the importance of that, importance of family, again, coming through, you know, and not feeling guilty about it, really. Of course, there will be some emergencies, maybe some funerals to take care of, maybe some, you know, some unexpected things. And yes, the family will understand at those times, but really as a routine to carve that portion and say, you know, as much as, you know, this is what I will do for ministry in terms of ministry, there's no compromise on that. But this is what I will do for the family, no compromise on that as well. Okay, so that was something that, again, I learned from the life of an administrative pastor, Ashish. Okay, so I think we just started by looking at the ministry aspect of it and the church. So let me just share a little bit of that. So like, you know, we shared last time, I kind of rushed through it. So I'm just taking time to just go over it again. So the church started in 2001, very humble beginnings, 12 people living room, father's house, and that was how it was. But what I noticed then is that when God gives the vision, you don't downplay it, right? God gives a big vision and whatever vision, you know, however, in our human understanding, it could be big or in our human scale that we have, it could be big, but really it's nothing in God's eyes, right? It's, so it's a vision which God has given. And like Paul says, it's a, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, right? So don't, no need to trivialize it, no need to downplay it. It's a vision, it's God given, is go with it, right? And one thing I realized was not to despise the day of small beginnings. You will start small, or you might start very big, that's absolutely okay, but don't despise the day of small beginnings, right? You know, maybe it's just three people and that's how the church or the ministry starts, but don't despise it, be faithful, don't trivialize it, but you know, just be faithful and go after it. Just wanna share about the church location where I serve, and this was started sometime after, soon after, and it's in the south of Bangalore. It's not a very cosmopolitan, now it is, it's not a very cosmopolitan, you know, in terms of demographics, like you have the typical, the actual Bangaloreans there, you know, you see a lot of the local language being spoken there. And now of course we have a lot of migration from other parts of the country, people coming there, but typically you hear a lot, if you go to central Bangalore, you will hear Hindi, you will be spoken, you'll hear a lot of English being spoken, but if you go to South Bangalore, you will hear a lot of the local language which is Kannada being spoken, right? So that's in terms of demographics, that's how it is. So that church was planted soon after, I think a couple of years after the central location was planted. And what I want to highlight here is that the effort that was taken, you know, just to say that, you know, don't despise the day of small beginnings, like when the church was started in the location, the where it was, the venue, it was a, it was again a rented place, a hall. And initially the first service, I think some people from, you know, the central location also went there just to encourage, you know, and be there part of the prayer and worship and so on. But from the second service onwards, it was just maybe two people and at the most three. One is the pastor, Pastor Ashish, the other one, someone to lead worship. I think it was Pastor Georgi who was part of, you know, who was there in Bangalore, India at that time. And one other person maybe to help or sometimes it'll be just two people. And this service, you know, this Sunday ministry, so it'll be like, you know, you go open the place, well, maybe we might have to clean up the place and get things ready, go there, okay, start, you know, the time of prayer and worship, and then maybe share the word and then again lock up and come back. Now the distance from the residence to this place is, I think about, let me just check, okay. Very quickly, sorry, I should have checked earlier. Okay, it takes about, it's about 22 kilometers and in Bangalore traffic, it takes about an hour or so, okay, one way. This is to drive down, right? Okay, so to go to travel one hour, you know, this is morning, early morning, to start the service, to do that. And then to go to the second service, which is what we call as a Bangalore Central, and minister there, and then go back home. And Monday, you know, go back to your software business, right Monday, and of course, the needs of the church, responsibilities of the church, which will just come in during the week, whenever. Now this went on for, not just one Sunday, not just two Sundays, this went on for many Sundays, I'm thinking at least three months, at least 12 Sundays, before the first family started coming, and then the work grew from there. So, you know, when God gives a vision to persist, to endure, and to press on, right? It is, yeah, it could be tiring, it could be discouraging at times, sense, you know, which might really bring you to a point of really questioning, you know, did I hear right? But when you know, for sure, when God has spoken, and that God has called, and to persist, right? And when, at that point, when, at the point when I, in there, the church was about, I think 20 people, 25 people, and this over the years, you've seen it grow, and yes, there is potential for more growth, and a lot more work needs to be done, but it continues to grow, right? So, being faithful, even when things are small, very important, what I noticed from the ministry, right? The other thing, second thing that, again, I noticed was commitment to the vision, commitment to the territory, okay? Commitment to the vision, commitment to the territory, very, very important, non-negotiable. You know, sometimes what happens is people are, okay, committed to the vision, and then when they don't see, right, we don't see things happening, then they either alter the vision to suit, cut it down, to suit their understanding, or convenience, or shift territories, right? But to be committed to say that, I'm committed to this place, this people, till, you know, till God, you know, till you take me, till the work is done, or till you move me, to be committed to that, to the land, to the territory, you know, because like I mentioned, Pastor and Amy were in the U.S., and in software business at the time, of course, didn't have the business, but was working for another organization, but, so the trend was, of course, to go, to settle, you know, overseas, to have a little comfortable life, and of course, you know, visit, and maybe take care of ministry, whatever, you know. So, but then, to come back, and to know that, okay, this is the area, or this is the territory, this is the land, these are the people. So, to be committed and to remain committed, right? It's very, very important through the passage of time, through the seasons, to the ups and downs, to remain committed, and I think that is very, very crucial. That is crucial, and it doesn't mean that you don't minister elsewhere, or you don't travel elsewhere, but some of the mistakes which are costly, you know, mistakes which people made, what I've observed is that, you know, as to, well, God has called into a place, forgetting that, or over a period of time, because things were tough, to take a easier route to travel and minister, as an itinerant minister, okay. Now, that seems, that seems, well, easy, in the sense there is already a congregation, someone else is taking care of the congregation, so you do a teaching, or you know, as a guest minister, going to different places, and doing that, well, again, you know, I'm just saying this very carefully, because for some, God has called, you know, especially as a teacher, be an itinerant ministry, and it will be works in places where there is already a work, and then somebody started that, and you go there to, you know, like upper laws, or, you know, we're like reading scripture, we see that to go to strengthen that work, that is also, you know, God's plan, that is very much biblical. But I'm saying, you know, if God has called you to a place, and then you focus on all the other places, because it's exciting, and you know, and here you have to come back to five people, you know, there there is at least, you know, maybe there are 50, there are 500, and then you feel more validated as a minister, and then you come back to the five, and then you feel that. So you're spending more time out than here, and in the initial phase, or stage of ministry, where it needs to be strong, where the work needs to be strong, where, you know, it's like building that foundation, digging up all that dirt, and putting things, and the structure is not yet there. So if we ignore the foundation, or ignore building up at that phase, you know, it's never going to be strong, right? Because we're going, focusing on so many other things than what needs to be done. So commitment to territory, commitment to the vision, it's very, very important. So I'm sure you've, you know, you've seen or heard the vision of all people's church, the vision and the vision statement. So I just thought, maybe for those of us who have not, I'll just play that video, which we recently put together, and maybe you can all watch it together in just a minute, please. And welcome to All People's Church. Our vision at All People's Church is to be salt and light in the city of Bangalore, a voice to the nation and to the nations. All People's Church is a Jesus-loving, word-focused, spirit-filled family church, an equipping center, a missions base, and a world outreach. As a family church, we grow together as a community in Christ-centered fellowship, caring and serving each other in love. As an equipping center, we empower and equip every believer to live victoriously, mature into Christ-likeness and fulfill God's purposes for their lives. As a missions base, we engage in meaningful ministry to bless our city, our nation, and the nations with the gospel of Jesus Christ through the word of God and supernatural demonstrations of the power of the Spirit. As a world outreach, we serve locally and globally by nurturing godly leaders and spirit-filled churches who can impact their regions for the kingdom of God. We're so glad that you're here. Thank you for being with us today. So I just thought... I think most of you would have seen that if you're following the service. Yeah, so that is the vision. So like we have discussions on the vision, the vision needs to be communicated. It cannot be just in our heart, in our minds. As a spiritual leader, you need to communicate the vision. And since we are all human beings, we tend to forget, vision tends to leak. And so it needs to be reiterated. So we do that every Sunday with the church announcements and also put it up in our communications, in our church website and so on. So we do that, right? Oh yeah, Charles, yes. The thing is the second part of it, as being a church family, as missions and the world outreach, those were additions too. So that's why it's a little more detailed, where the vision itself is to be salt and light to the city, a voice to the nation and to the nations. So this is kind of reiterated. And of course, it's great to have a vision, but vision also means work, right? It just means the bigger the vision, the bigger the work. So we need to understand that vision, I just put it here, vision equals work. Yeah, Kennedy, just a minute, I see your hand. Yeah, I'm coming back. Okay, so we see that vision equals work. So we, as ministers of God, it's exciting to have a great vision and hear maybe a prophetic word and say, or you have a dream and you call to the nations, but I'll call to the nations and call for a great work. But you need to understand that, that means work. It means labor, intense labor, right? We need to understand that. Yeah, Kennedy, you have a question. Okay, thank you, thank you very much. What I was asking is that, talk about how you're getting your finances from the state, from the state. Yeah, I think yeah, yeah, put it on. Okay, okay, yeah. So finances, yeah, sure. I also, next year we will have a full-fledged course on church administration for the third year. And you'll find it very, very interesting, extremely interesting. So it goes into a lot of details of the working of the ministry. It's a very useful course to, even if you're not planning to do other courses, I think you should do that. Okay, but anyway, with regard to financing, right from the beginning, it's supported by the believers in the country, in the nation, and by those who, so which means tithes and offerings, from the church, members, and those who worship. That's the thing. And right from the beginning, the accounting process and everything, very transparent and very, what is the word I should say, always making a note of that, a record of that. In fact, I came across a notebook that was there in the initial days. I think the first few meetings. So it was a notebook. It was handwritten and about tithes and offerings and what were the expenses towards tea and coffee after the service and so on. It was really, so to understand that as well and to implement that as well. So one side is, okay, people are giving tithes offerings and then to implement and say, okay, to, or the other aspect is also to start in a separate bank account. So that doesn't interfere with your personal money, even though this work might be spoiled to have a separate bank account for the church. So everything goes into the church, expenses come out of that and so on. So this is how it has been functioning. Bank loans, no, yeah. So maybe you could ask some specific questions when Kennedy, I'll just put in a few things here, a few more thoughts here. So specific bank account for the income and expenditure and also recording of that. So proper accounting procedure and everything else, so that you're not, there's no shortcut, you're not breaking any rules, rules of the government and so on. So there's no, hands, fingers being pointed at you and your ministry is not blamed and you're playing everything by the rules, right? So that aspect of it. The other thing is the church also does not have what is called as, in India called as an FCRA, which means we don't have a means to receive foreign funds or currencies as long as there's an Indian account, we can do that. And so that's how it works. So the ministry is supported by the people besides some offerings from the church itself, right? So that's how, yeah. So bank loans, no, we did not consciously avoid that and not wanting to be in debt, so no bank loans. As far as, well, staffing and salaries grow ago, we're a registered trust. And so we also have people serving as volunteers, people serving as staff, full-time staff and for the initial years of ministry, since Pastor was having the software business, he was not taking a salary from church. In fact, the software business was tithing 10% of the income of the business was being tithed into the ministry. So that was happening. So as full-time staff, of course, we have that entire HR process of salaries and appraisals and assessment of work. All that is in place. So I think at least twice a year, we have an assessment of work, of our responsibilities where we are doing, according to what we are supposed to be doing, and the quality of it and so on, and cost corrections and so on. So we have that in place. And yeah, so salaries also support of the staff and pastors is also not something random, but it's already in paper, on paper and fixed and so on. So yeah, any other questions that you might have about finances? Okay, so all the other procedures of having, we have a firm which accounting firm which takes care of the accounting process and making sure that we comply according to what is, what is expected by the government and so on, filing of returns, so on. Okay, if you have questions, you feel free to put it up, even if something comes to your mind later. Okay, so commitment to the territory, commitment to the vision, again, very important, and to continue and be consistent, that is again, very, very important, not to have, there will be seasons which are difficult, there are times which are difficult situations, which might be very, very challenging, but to continue on consistently. That is something that I've learned from the church administration. Another aspect of it is to, when I'm sure in the local church you're, again, you might have the different phases that the church goes through, right, that the foundation stage and the building stage and so on. So the thing is to build by inspiration, I'll just put it here. I've seen both happening, build in the sense, build by inspiration, in the sense, everything about ministry is, we are led by the Spirit of God, we are dependent on God and submitted to him, but there are these times when you are inspired to do something, right? You are inspired to start something, you are inspired by the Holy Spirit, of course, you're inspired to maybe go and take a particular ministry direction, you're inspired to do that, right? So build by inspiration, in the sense you, God leads you, you do that, you obey that, check, verify and do that, and a lot of ministry initiatives have come like that, build by inspiration, you see a need and then there is the leading of the Spirit to do that, and of course it involves a time within which it needs to be done and so on. So build by inspiration. The other thing is also to build, I'm just using the word build by design, meaning you are intentional about it, okay? You are intentional about it. So it doesn't mean that you are not Spirit led, you are not Spirit inspired, right? But when we depend on God, we have the precepts, we have the principles of God, right? And we have the presence of God leading us, guiding us. So yeah, inspire before it, okay? Yeah, so when we say inspiration, it's not just to inspire others, but you inspire by the Holy Spirit, probably, I'm just using that word inspiration, but to wait on God, God gives the idea and you do it. And also to build by design, in the sense you are intentional, right? You say, okay, this is the plan. This is what God has given. So what can I do? What do I need to do in order to reach here? So being intentional about certain things, right? So say, hey, did God give a dream or did he do this? Well, no, but he gave a big picture and in order to reach that, I need to do this. In the natural, I know that these are things that need to be done. So you build intentionally as well, okay? Says five locations. So, hey, but did God say, okay, you start here? Well, no, but I need to investigate, find out if the place is available and then go there and start it and do it, right? So inspiration and being intentional in building the work. So both need to go hand in hand. I've seen that. Okay, then the other aspect is the spiritual. Again, I'm just using these words, the spiritual and the administrative side, not the structural, the responsibility. So, getting equal importance to both, because we know that, well, ministry work is spiritual work. When I say spiritual, it means that it involves the spirit of God, it involves being ministering to the spirit of man. So it is spiritual, the word, the prayer, the worship, emphasis on that, being rooted in the word, being led by the spirit, very important. So it is spiritual work. But what undergirds the spiritual is the administrative side, we need to understand that. And we see that when we read one Corinthians 12, we see Helps, administration, Romans 12, you can see leadership and so on. So there is the administrative, the structural side of things, never neglect that, okay? Because we neglect one of these, it has the ability to pull down the other, right? But you can have a great, I mean, well-oiled machine, machinery, in terms of ministry, where everything is like process-driven and you have things in place, you have leaders in place, you could be doing that. But the minute we neglect the spiritual, you see that bringing down, it could be well-oiled, but there's no fruit the way you were designed to be fruitful and it pulls down the administrative side as when people are feeling fulfilled, even though it's all in place, et cetera, and vice versa, right? So spiritual and the administrative responsibility. Okay, let's take a break. I think it's, and then we'll come back. We might not use up the entire session, right? The whole, probably we'll have some questions also and discussions, but we'll come back after a break, okay? Thank you.