 Anyway, I mean, yeah. Yeah, it's more like I was doing algebra in junior high and my dad was shocked He's like we didn't even do algebra until the very end of high school, right for him And now kids are doing algebra in elementary school And it's yeah, it's just kids are capable of doing more earlier Because we've gotten better at education and whatnot, but then they're also maturing later Because you're not forced to I'm not even sure that's the case. I'm not even sure that okay You always say that whenever I say anything you never say that's a really good point. Tom. You always say I'm not sure that's the Know Tom you kind of do that with me so no Actually, I don't think anyone here is a student or a master we're all pretty much the other same I mean, I just mentioned master Yoda. So it's right Yoda's the only master. Yeah I guess my anyway, what were you gonna say? Yes, my conclusion is kids are better than their parents and parents very hard time admitting that but I I really think That's the case and it's been the case for a long time and I think it's gonna keep being the case for a long time like better Better in general or just more educated kind of thing. That's not just education, but it may have better looking is what I meant Yes, Tom. Thank you for putting the right words on my the hot topic generation folks Yes, and it's so easy to you know Consider the punks like the ah, they are so okay. It's time for the show, but yeah That's true old man screaming at clouds today 12 That's what we do when especially when Sarah's gone. Yeah, what where is there? she's she's got a contract job producing a podcast for a company and They require her to be present sometimes for those recordings. They like to do them in person So I think she's up in seven. No, she's in Chicago. She's in Chicago I see Okay here we Go I'm doing a little different today. So don't forget cuz I'm gonna edit something in don't forget. Don't forget. Here we go This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday July 10th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and From studio feline in no, wait, wait a second. That's not me From Helsinki you got halfway through that before I realized what they're like wait a minute That is the right line to happen now, but that's the wrong person saying it Of course, Sarah Lane is out today. She mentioned that yesterday on assignment somebody else's sign or something But our producer Roger Chang is with us. Thank you Roger Chang. I am here always You are you are ever present and we appreciate that Until your baby comes and then that'll you'll miss Roger for a few days, but he'll be back Don't worry. That's a long time from now. What's happening right now is we're gonna start with a few tech things you should know What's up has placed advertisements in Indian newspapers with titles like together we can fight false information Containing tips like double-check the facts when you're not sure who wrote the original message the advertisements appear in multiple publications both in Hindi and English But where do you check the facts? Wait a minute. I think they cover that too Tesla reached a deal with China to build a factory in Shanghai It will be Tesla's first factory outside the US Tesla says it can produce cars within two years after construction begins and aims to produce 500,000 vehicles years two and three after that China is the top market for electric vehicles in the world. I African reports a 24-year-old Ugandan software engineer won the Africa Prize for engineering innovation for a product called Matibabu a low-cost reusable device that clips onto a patient's finger to test for malaria in less than a minute No blood needed don't need to draw any blood Brian Gita and his colleagues received the 25,000 pounds first prize and have signed an agreement with the Ugandan government for clinical trials Seems like they should get more money than that for some reason Well, they're gonna get an agreement with the government. So I imagine they'll get more money, but the prize was only that much I like that you're advocating for them though. I appreciate it Instagram has launched a question sticker that you can submit to Friends stories your friends can then tap the sticker to post a reply The question sticker is rolling out today on Android and iOS. You've been taken by this, haven't you? You know, I think it's interesting that Instagram is growing so much, but this is trying to advocate engagement It's like interact chat more discuss and it's in introducing Commenting almost in stories which famously have been absent of interaction. So I thought that was interesting Yeah, all right Let's talk a little bit more about what YouTube is doing kind of related to what the Indian advertisements were YouTube will begin adding cards to conspiracy-related pages with texts from trusted sources like an Encyclopedia Britannica or Wikipedia YouTube will also supplement news search results with links to news articles in the wake of what it determines our major news events YouTube will also spend $25 million on partnerships for sustainable video news operations in 20 markets Okay, so folks who listen to the show every day You know what we're going to say first of all adding a link to an encyclopedia article that shows you the facts Isn't going to stop someone who already believes the conspiracy theory But I think the intention here is to stop someone from beginning to believe Because as we know presenting people with the facts just makes them dig in harder in what they think Supplementing the news results with breaking news so that when you search to find out what's happening You see some reputable sources, even if they're not video Is an interesting idea to combat what's The idea is it's really easy to create a fake video about what's happening because you don't have to spend any time double checking facts Right and so those go up faster than the real videos But print articles go up faster So if you put the print articles in the search results then maybe that helps combat the fake videos And then of course creating partnerships that that get sustainable news operations to be successful on youtube I think that one explains itself like let's let's try to let's try to juice the results with with good stuff out there That we can get behind. Do you think any of this really makes much of a difference patrick? Um, I think it can't hurt, uh, although, you know, what we've seen on facebook is that as you mentioned, uh, Telling people no this story isn't really right Makes them dig in What facebook has been doing is basically Hide the ones that are controversial by reducing the size or showing them less in the news feed Obviously youtube, I guess they could do that, but it's a little bit more of a controversial take This could help further people who aren't already coming to a topic with an opinion the the partnerships is an interesting one because 25 million you might think well, that's a decent number But when you divide it by 20 markets, it makes a million dollars roughly a little bit more per market That doesn't seem like it's going to get a lot of people off the ground But maybe it's a trial run and I don't think it's meant to fully fund them But to try to say like hey you need a little money to expand your operation Because if you expand your operation you'll have more videos if you have more videos and make more commercials We you know, you get more money will will kind of help you over the hump It's almost like a small business loan approach, right. It's a grant Microsoft introduced the surface go with a 10 inch 1800 by 1200 screen to core Intel Kaby Lake chip 64 gigabytes of storage in a nine hour battery life. So it's It's low specced. Let's let's just be honest But like all surface tablets, it does have a kickstand supports the surface pen sold separately Has a micro sdxc card reader and headphone jack as well as one usb c port You can also buy a smaller type cover made for the new 10 inch form factor Those range from 99 to 129 dollars depending on the material There's a smaller surface mouse in case your hand gets smaller when you use a smaller tablet For 35 dollars. I'm just joking. I know maybe you want to keep it all tight and compact Preorders begin today starting at 399 dollars. That one gets you windows 10 s doing an interesting thing here You can always unlock windows 10 s But if you spend 449 dollars 50 more you'll get windows 10 pro from the start You won't have to unlock it and for 549 dollars You can step up the ram to 8 gigabytes and the storage to 128 gigabytes new surface go and the accessories will begin shipping august 2nd And if you're saying well, wait a minute. What about lte or even bigger drives lte and 256 gigabyte drive models will be introduced later this year They haven't said exactly when So it's it's microsoft trying to compete with the 10 inch ipad and android tablets out there Right the the magic number there is of course the price 399 For the basic model the thing is though 399 is an attractive price and it you know tablets are less expensive now But I guess you can think for a serious Work device you could spend 399 But this is only windows 10 s and on a surface It is kind of difficult to use it Properly without a keyboard so you add another hundred bucks So you're starting to get away from the initial sticker price of 399 if you want to use it decently Still it's a lot less expensive than the other tablets that are available and you get a full windows thing I think it it is interesting To many users because of the use cases But it's not really 399 Yeah, I I I know you can use a windows 10 s tablet without a keyboard. You absolutely can Well, yes, that's what the metro interface is for but i'm with you I wonder how many people actually do that because with the pixel book and with the ipad I absolutely use them with keyboards now. I may not use that keyboard all the time I use it more with the pixel book than I do at the ipad to be honest But it's it's necessary for me to get the most out of it Well, especially for windows machine. Uh, yes, you can bring up the keyboard on the surface But the ipad interface with the windows app store if you just stay inside of that Yeah, you can you can but the ipad is designed to be used not I mean, you don't do necessarily the same things on an ipad and a surface The attractive qualities of the surface is that it is a full windows machine And so the keyboard becomes more necessary. So that's why I think the keyboard is you know Although microsoft would say That's not the only reason to use it. You should use it the other way I just don't think people do because I think people think like you like yeah, but it's windows So I want to get everything out of it that I can In the latest update to ios apple added usb restricted mode Which disables usb access if the phone has been locked for an hour This prevents some methods used to crack into locked iPhones However, elkomsoft has found that the one hour counter resets if any usb devices plugged in To the phone before the hour is up that seems like an oversight No, it's not let me explain Let me let me call back to when we had the story of usb restricted mode being announced and There are all these hot takes about how apple is going to undermine law enforcement And I said I believe if I recall correctly Very shortly after this usb restricted mode comes out Someone will figure out a way around it and then after they figure out a way around it apple will come out with a patch And the song remains the same And then that's just what we're seeing happen is they came out with the usb restricted mode and they said Oh, but if you get to it within the first hour, which isn't always going to happen You can just plug in a usb device and get around it and you can bet your booties that the next ios update Will fix this oversight or not even oversight. I feel like that's that's unfair We'll fix this work around to say oh, well, we should make sure that just plugging in a device isn't enough To undo it and and it just keeps going on from there I mean, I'm sure there might be a reason for it by design because some people are using usb connected devices when the phone is Locked and you don't want it to stop working all of a sudden in the middle of your usage But if this is going to be effective, you should have an option to tell it Well, even if something is locked is plugged in if it's been locked for an hour then Disable the thing. So that's why I'm saying it's it seems like an oversight more than like an actual clever hack Like I see you're using it in that direction. I I'm I'm trying to say apple didn't screw up by missing this It's just somebody found a little way around and they're like, oh, okay Well, we should patch that but you're right like if I'm playing music on a locked iphone and I plug in Speakers to the lightning port that are usb speakers I should I should be able to not have to unlock the phone to do that that would be kind of annoying. So yeah, there's there's a little Additional toggle coming to the ui. Yeah ride-hailing business grab introduced grab platform Which will let developers integrate their offerings within the grab app So they can take advantage of grab logistics and payment functions, etc A first partner is indonesia's grocery delivery startup happy fresh. Uh, so within grab you'll now have grab fresh We can have your groceries delivered from happy fresh by a grab driver That will be within the main grab app the grab app also is adding one touch access to grab pay A news feed with recommendations for your location things like restaurants and shops. They already do Restaurant delivery through grab and essentially what grab is trying to do is say we're not just ride-hailing. We are payments. We are Location recommendations and we're a platform that you can build on Which is very similar to what a lot of messaging apps like we chat and line have done in the past You know, I was giggling when you were reading this I think if you add maybe one additional high-p. Geek term tech term like cryptocurrency or cloud somewhere you have a half a speech from an opening monologue Platform blockchain will allow you Chinese ride-hailing company de chuxing. I never know if I'm reading that right Chuxing chuxing I say it differently, but I'm sure the way I say it is it right as well And german auto parts entire maker continental ag have signed an agreement in shanghai to co-develop develop Purpose-built internet connected electric cars that will eventually replace dd's current fleet of passenger cars The car is expected to roll out by 2020 roll out The the agreement follows similar ones the ride-hailing company has made with 30 other automotive parts Partners, I'm sorry in april including gac motors. They be a ic group and toyota Yeah, when roger first suggested this for the show. I was like, well, this isn't new You know wemo and uber they're all working with automatic automotive manufacturers on on custom cars for for the automatic For the autonomous cars and roger pointed out the continental ag is an auto manufacturer. It's parts maker So there is there's something a little unusual here. It's it's not just a customized car It's a built from the ground up or as they say purpose built cars So this isn't taking a toyota model and saying well, we're going to make a version of the corolla that's that's meant for wemo This is we're going to build a car out of parts specifically for dd chuxing to use as an autonomous car provider mm-hmm And and I think that that is an interesting step forward in this because The one thing i'm Slightly surprised to see is the auto manufacturers not freaking out about autonomous cars. Usually we have the technology comes in It disrupts the incumbent industry resists it and then finally figures out how to embrace it Uh, the automotive companies are like, yeah, we know Personal automobiles Ownership is probably going to decline and you know what saves us fleets of cars sold to these autonomous makers So this is a guess an example of a parts maker saying ah and the way we survive through this change is to create cars For a company that's doing autonomous cars like dd Yeah, I've been you know, it's funny. I was uh, I just recorded the front my french tech show Yesterday and we came to the same conclusion that the automotive automotive The car industry automotive industry is Surprisingly on point on all of those things. I think anyone who's ever interacted with the car industry Well, not anyone but my interactions with the car industry have shown me a very slow moving Old industry that I would never have guessed would be the one That saw this coming all of the other industries have been devoured by tech giants And maybe because of they have learned from all of those Um, they have actually been working on these things for a while and it's it's kind of hardening to see Well, and I think automotive manufacturing is a little more difficult than some of the other industries that have been disrupted Do you know, there's there's there's a little more expertise involved in and build out Sure. Yeah, but also look look at the hoops that tesla is having to to go through just to make their own cars Of course. Yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah, but yeah, it could be argued Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Well, another fantastic article don't ever let anyone tell you that journalism is dying There've been some amazing articles coming out this week. Cecilia Danastacio of kutaku has an excellent article on the topic of gaming addiction This is something she's covered for a while actually. She she wrote an article about for vice about it three years ago It tells the story of several people including somebody named cam Who have been game sober in fact cam has been games over for seven and a half years After almost committing suicide because he felt so bad that he couldn't stop gaming Experts still debate whether excessive gaming is a compulsion an addiction Or simply a symptom of an underlying issue and of course gamers get their backs up real quick because we have all Been succumbed to the you know gaming causes violence gaming causes this That we're telling oh great now now gaming is at fault for addiction But there are definitely Some instances and people who say yeah, I couldn't stop it was a problem Some of them say it was probably another issue that was manifesting itself as gaming, but it's a real issue uh One of the things that's causing the controversy Is gaming getting put in the same camp as gambling gambling was classified as a compulsion or impulse control issue in the 1980s But in 2013 the diagnostic and statistical manual reclassified it as gambling disorder Under the behavioral addictions section. That's the first non substance based addiction to be recognized that way um And this year gaming disorder was added to the whos international classification of diseases The who says that gaming disorder is characterized by impaired control over gaming Increasing priority given to gaming over other activities to the extent the gaming takes precedent It's over other interests in daily activities and continuation or escalation of gaming despite the occurrence of negative consequences Habits must impact social educational and occupational lives for about a year to qualify as a disorder So you increasingly use it you have symptoms of withdrawal just like other addictions Now here's the thing everybody gets their backup because they're like I yeah, I play a lot of games It doesn't mean I have a disorder. That's probably true It's not common a recent meta analysis including 19 000 subjects concluded that a very small proportion Of the general population between 0.3 and 1 percent might qualify for a potential acute diagnosis So they're not saying everybody who games has a disorder. They're saying a very small percentage of people might actually have a problem Uh Patrick I know that you had a similar reaction to this article as I did which is some mixed feelings about it But very interesting Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm definitely part of the as people on the show know. I am a lifelong gamer very proud of it very Like almost militant for my hobby to be recognized as something not even just a value but something That has Yeah, I guess I could say that has value because in my youth it was considered as a silly pastime and sometimes accused of many many ills and certainly the who and everyone Analyzing this is Recognizing this fact The dsm actually tried in 2013 to classify gaming in the same categories gambling or something similar I was working at blizzard at the time so this was kind of a concern of ours and The the sets of Parameters they put together would have Qualified something like 40 percent of the gaming population as addicted to gaming which have obviously was silly. They dropped it The who classification is much more restrictive and Qualifies it as a very subset Very narrow subset of the population pointing out that for the vast majority of people it is a Agreeable pastime. Yeah now the the concern comes from people like me and others who have seen all of this You know gaming being blamed for many Things and it still happens. We've seen controversial topics being raised in recent months and The fear that some people will not understand this characterization coupled with the fact that even you know unlike other Topics or issues even the medical profession professionals are divided on the topic specifically on the idea of Does it cause an issue or is it a symptom? Of other underlying issues And so when you put all of this together, it's very difficult for people like me to Welcome this as you know objectively and calmly as well. Everything's gonna be fine. Not you know You're not gonna see parents calling in doctors saying oh my kid is playing two hours of fortnight today as you know Cecilia denastasio mentions in her article Calling their doctor saying he's addicted to fortnight. He's playing two hours a day So that's where the the the the either Fear comes from or the The the being very careful with these kinds of the caution. Yeah Here's the thing to to keep in mind because yes, you're absolutely right Classifying as a disorder can lead to overreaction as as patrick's Is is eloquently describing But that doesn't mean there isn't something real Uh, I I saw you know somebody in the chat room said like yeah, some people watch too much tv That's like looking at a heroin addict and saying yeah, and some people eat too many burgers, you know What's the big deal? So he shoots up a lot of heroin like there are real problems. Well, absolutely. We we should not Uh, we should not exacerbate it and say anybody whose gaming has the problem But and that's where it's different than a lot of drugs. There are a lot of drugs where if you take the drug You probably are going to have a problem. It's that addictive gaming As we say only seems to affect a very small amount of the populace But that amount of the populace Absolutely has a problem the way to know you have a problem is if you can't stop if you hide it if you lie about it Uh, if you read this kataku article, she has Uh anecdotes from people about playing games until 5 a.m. Hearing, you know, their mother come up the stairs And then uh turning off the game and and jumping into bed to pretend they're asleep And as soon as their mother leaves jumping back out not a cute thing that they did once or twice But constantly for a year. That's a problem Uh, and and and let me read this quote This is a person who says yeah, I have gaming dick. I can't handle it I can't play games or I will not stop He says it's perfectly clear to me that I have one condition that involves all these things Obsessive compulsive denial hiding lying about it fear crazy thinking irritability if I stay away Mental cravings and urges and distorted thinking in my 20s I tried to numb it out with drinking in my 30s. I numbed it out with gaming The idea that there are two different conditions doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't match my experience at all But dr. Douglas Gentile a psychologist at ios state universities media research lab says Sometimes you see that there is depression followed by a gaming disorder Sometimes you see a gaming disorder that then leads to depression. He's like it's a chicken and egg problem But it is a real problem. Even if we don't know exactly what the underlying cause is And again, it's it has if the world was perfect that everyone would understand the whos Characterization of this issue. I think it would be much better accepted by gamers Even the who is saying, you know, one of the advantages of class of classifying it as a compulsion I think is the exact way they're there the disorder Disorder That is going to help fund more research Right. So we're we are going to be able to investigate it a little bit more understanding and understand exactly what is happening I would use the you know, many examples that you can find across the net and and social commentary of well, you know Some people eat too many burgers and some people watch too much tv and some people were saying that Novels we're going to rot young people's brains back in the early 19th century The one thing that even I have to admit is different with games is that Some games don't end A book you're going to reach the end a movie you're going to watch the movie at some point You're going to have watched all the movies you want to watch Games multiplayer games in particular Are often designed to be infinite not through malice, but that's because what the game How the game becomes fun So I even I will agree there is an avenue for people who get lost in their games Maybe because of underlying conditions. Maybe not. I would like to think it's because there's something else under it Well, they have a way of doing something that that just doesn't stop they can play You know league of legends or whatever multiplayer competitive game forever. They can play Yeah, so that that is definitely the thing I would point out though is some people are addicted to games that do stop They just can't stop playing those games so they play one they finish it and they move on to another The the question is I think you'll find most Let me finish my point the question is it because I don't want somebody out there like oh I obviously don't have a problem because I don't play on ending games But they're also not taking care of themselves can't keep a job Like the question is it what are you doing if it's television if it's hamburgers if it's staring at paint I don't care what it is. Don't don't start there Look at the effects if you have gone a year or more and you're losing your job You can't take care of yourself You're irritable without the thing that you do you you are suffering from it for whatever reason And you should seek out some kind of help to get things back together It's not about whether the thing should cause it or not. Look at the effects And that's why there I did want to finish this by mentioning a couple of support groups Game quitters.com is from cam who was mentioned in the kataku article. It's a support group for video game addiction And computer game addicts anonymous is a grassroots 12 step group for gaming addicts And we'll have links to both of those in the show notes They're linked to in the kataku article as well if you think yeah, maybe this gaming thing Is is too much and I can't I don't think I can stop and I need help If you're thinking that then you should you should look into it You should look into getting some help If you're not if you're like, oh, I'm doing I'm if you're honestly absolutely doing fine And you only play two hours of fortnight, then you probably don't need to work Yeah Well, thanks to everybody And you're doing fine. You're doing fine Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You could submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com Groups slash daily tech news show. Let's check our mail bag In definitely of the opinion the california online cancellation law is needed says paul the web developer somewhere in the heart of texas It's a texan who thinks the california law is good. Let me tell you that might be rare paul says i've personally been on the development teams where the online cancellation feature has been De-prioritized in order not to hurt the growth of a new service Management knows they will eventually have to do it that can often be put off for several years They know the phone calls enough of a barrier to discourage cancellation for some people This often works for services that have a low monthly fee say 10 bucks or less per month And the real kicker is an online cancellation button is usually extremely easy to develop says paul You know it always makes me happy when people from the united states of america think that a law is needed And that government is doing a good job. So Yay california sometimes Maybe it is a lot of times it isn't but a lot of times. Maybe it is. I don't know. I like roads Especially ones that are repaired and I can drive on But don't like taxes who does you know? Well one of those things. Yeah Hey, thank you patrick beija for joining us. Where can folks find more of your fine works? They could go folks folks could go to frenchspin.com or even easier You're listening this podcast on a podcast app right now Probably i'm guessing if you are go to the search field search for pixels and subscribe to that show It's a show about gaming. We cover a lot of things today I just recorded a show with tomabido Who is an analyst and told talked about a number of really interesting topics with Numbers and industry trends and stuff like that. It was super interesting. 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Get more at frog pants dot com Was that you saying bye Yes, because it was so The tone was so fitting with the music that I for a second I was like was there a weird guitar lick in there that I'd never noticed before and then I was like no Actually, I think that was patrick I often say bye It was just I don't know your tone fit perfectly into the song. It was well done was the musicality of my Years Well That was a good show. What should we call it? Uh, I'm gonna call it a night You want to call every show that no, I do I understand we can't hear roger. I don't think hello There he is. All right. Thank you patrick. Thank you very much. We'll talk about The thing another time. Yes indeed. We will You do you know what I'm talking about or Yes, I do. Okay the email thing you said. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. See christ should have talked about that before But I was already yeah, and I joined late. That's all right. We'll talk soon. All right Bye. Bye roger. Bye chat room of all of you. Bye Secret plans That's what we have Uh, so roger, what should we call this? Uh, there's games addiction Like james addiction. Yeah, I get it That's the only gaming one. Um, there's also combating fake news and bet your booties Kind of you know games addiction It's got a little bit of of funny to it But not not not so much that it feels disrespectful. So it doesn't feel glib Yeah Oh wait, that's a different song Why are they still drilling I thought they were done You're done I'm done with this construction like my head hurts But what are they drilling for cold are they drilling in there? Not a playroom for the baby I wish what is he building in there? I don't even remember what that's from anymore Um, it's from a play of some sort, but I can't remember which one now the Jack hammer is the jack hammers house. No, it didn't have to do with jack hammers particularly Jula Oh dear, oh my dears That's Oh You're gonna have to keep the troops entertained since sarah's gone and all right. All right. So Um Two story Oh, what happened the other day see I don't remember this night anymore. Hmm True story about a thing that roger does remember I thought it was going to be interesting and then I realized it wasn't I think it was confusing It was something else. You're confusing it with an interesting story. Yeah, I don't have too many of those I think ever since I had a kid I've been You know quietly just at home although there was that one time I had to help the old lady Get back in her seat because we had that heat wave in san francisco And it's just I I do a back in san francisco did like a daily walk I walked like two miles like up a hill and down a hill. Yeah, that's good Um, and I mean like not just a gradual hill. I mean like almost a 45 degree incline Hill and as I was walking back toward my house, there was this woman On her stoop and she kind of waved me down It's like sir sir. Can you help me and I was like, all right I'm done with my frozen yogurt. I got from the frozen yogurt chops I put that on the step and fall there into the house So, you know, I just called the doctor and I'm waiting for him to arrive Which kind of set off alarm bells because doctors don't really do house calls anymore But like my my mother is you know She's Slumping in her seat. I need to get her back in her seat. It's very hot and and all this stuff And so I see like this very elderly woman. She must have been in her mid to late 80s She probably should call the ambulance is what I'm guessing not Possibly, but I mean it was I was there for like 45 minutes and then here nothing show up And uh, I think the mother had dementia like she was giving me like weird looks and stuff This is a sad story Yeah, well, I was trying to help put her into the chair So I kind of picked her up and I slowly moved her But she started grabbing my fingers and tried to bite them and she's trying to tear them off And the I guess the woman who was her daughter's like, mom, it's okay. He's trying to help But you had like this 80-year-old woman like grabbing my finger trying to bite him It's like it's like I think she might I think you know one other from the bench I also thought she was dehydrated. It's like you might want to stop with the diet seven ups Not helping you probably should just give her straight water Um to dehydrate and maybe it was like a tragic story roger An interesting story. It's the only one I have This is the best you got, huh? All right. Well, I'm short notice. I'm sorry You knew sarah was going to be gone It's not like you didn't know All right, so I have this other story About so wait back when kevin rose was still at uh, oh here we go gossip. That's better Oh, that was just a place of time frame. Not not that's Okay So we had a once in the once in a lifetime storm in san francisco where it was just day loosed with Heavy amounts of rain like almost four times the normal amount of rainfall And overwhelmed the sewage system in the city like so much so that water was shooting out of the manhole covers Yeah, I feel like I remember that one. Yeah, and I was driving down to uh mission street from Uh going uh going East on caesar chavez from my house who got in caesar chavez went down And it's like holy crap these streets are totally flooded like, you know There must have been at least an inch or two inches of water in places And you know almost a foot in other places depending on because the streets slope Um and I saw like oh look because if my sister was with me say oh look someone lost her jacket I see this blue jacket kind of kind of float by and then I noticed it starts waving It's like oh my god. It's like a little woman and she's being washed out She'd be I hate to laugh by the way She'd be washed out caesar chavez by a trend troll amount of rainfall And uh at the intersection of caesar chavez and mission this car the driver in this car in the that was going uh intersecting with me Moved his car up so she could grab the front of the fender To hold herself That's like I was thinking about getting out to help her and then I see this kind of big burly Hispanic gentleman, uh with kind of like a uh marble man bushy mustache He kind of went in there like john wane and picked her up and carried her out. So that was pretty cool And then that why all your stories involve tragedies. It's not a tragedy. She was saved Well, I guess it's a happy ending. Yeah It's not it's not a trend. No one died No, no one I mean, you know, there was a bit of of you know perilousness involved precarious precarious. Do you have any like happy stories that are just happy all the way through? uh, I was with I was with uh, patrick norton and we were driving down From revision three office from the revision three offices down to uh, central computer to bike get some parts As we got around, um third street as it winds over toward the ballpark We noticed that like everything started slowing down and we looked at the giant billboard at the is it not pac bell park What is it called the baseball? park pac bell park sure And uh, it's just said bat though bat boy bat boy Blinking on it and it's like what is that and we see like this caravan of people like in this car Rolled by with police siren escorts and everything Uh, and I thought that was the weirdest thing and I took a couple of pictures of the sign I didn't find out till later that that day san francisco put on a special event for this one Uh, that was bat boy day. Yeah, that boy day. He had looking holy cow. Yeah He had he had leukemia or leukemia. Oh, yeah, no, I imagine most people know about bat boy day But for those who don't yeah, go ahead and he had look I think he had leukemia or has I don't know if you saw around leukemia or another terminal illness And through the make-a-wish a foundation He wanted to be batman for a day And so the kind of the city the whole you know the city the The city the mayor office and all that went in on it and they kind of like did this whole kind of sketch where Um, whatever the love interest of batman and forget the the reporter not not lois lane the The one for batman vail vail. She gets kidnapped and he has to rescue her So they got this guy with the batmobile dressed up as batman And so it's a batmobile replica for the movie Driving through and they get out they stop the bad guys and then they take her over to the ballpark. It was really great There's a netflix documentary on the whole thing. It's pretty it's very hard-warming There's some people asking you questions in the chat room. I don't know if you've noticed Uh, well, I was trying to come up with stories, right, right now that you've told your stories That was a very good story Supposed to be entertaining us foe poe. I wanted to know what you had for lunch Well, I had for lunch So I'm thinking of including this in the cookbook, but what I do is I take I got some shredded chicken I got this, you know the store-bought shredded chicken and I just get a big stack of Guerrero or mission Um corn tortillas the little round ones and I put two of them together heating them up with shredded cheese throwing the chicken heated up some more add some roast Cooked bell peppers or onions or whatever else you want a little salsa to eat tacos. That's my lunch chicken tacos. Yeah Nice, what did roger say? Airpods are too obvious. I I had a fish sandwich for lunch And on occasion when I'm especially daring I will try to make a sandwich But I have not been daring and my roast beef is still frozen in the freezer. It's not a metaphor or Idiom or anything. Why does it need to be daring to make a sandwich? sandwiches feel pretty mundane to me It does I was thinking of doing I was also thinking of doing my hummus sandwich for the cookbook But that's you know, that's kind of involved like I I make it with focaccia bread uh, swiss cheese Lettuce swiss char or whatever, you know green leafy vegetables tomatoes a big fake layer of good quality hummus and a lot of uh slices of turkey or roast beef Mostly turkey man. Is it good a lot? It sounds good, but oh, it's amazing. That's what I used to eat at the exploratorium It's kind of weird. I often I often vacillate between actually one thing I can't eat is junk food because it makes me sick um And I don't know if it's the oil but What I've what I've discovered with my own body As it develops from adolescence to To adulthood and eventually the middle age My body cannot tolerate the same diet that I had five years ago Like I just physically feel sick So no junk food But the problem is I love onion rings. I really really love onion rings So when you say junk food, that's a very wide category. So onion rings are fried. You can't you can't eat fried things I can't but I will make an exception for onion rings, but I regret but I but I pay for it later Like but I generally don't like to eat onion rings. No, no, I love eating onion rings You I should rephrase it you prefer not to eat fried if But you'll you'll make an exception for onion rings Although someone has a great recipe for breaded onion rings that I can bake And it's not like fried. They're all breaded You want but you know not like breaded and then putting the batter then dropped to the deep fryer. Well, in other words, not fried. Yes You want well, what else are you supposed to call it? Like you have fried chicken, but just a breaded chicken No, it's fried chicken is breaded. Yeah breaded chicken and then you fry it Or you bake it It's breaded either way Well, that's that's the way I've learned it. All right. Okay, all right. All right It's one of those colloquialisms. I know you like to be the food The food semantics of semantics. Oh, no, I just like to be pedantic all the time. I really need to stop You're a pedantitarian I only eat pedantism pedantry No junk food. No zoey no Yeah, I can't really eat junk food even stuff that people really rave about like in and out I can only eat very little like I can eat maybe a burger But junk food is is wide ranging. That's true I okay, so so you can't eat sweets or fried foods or like there's a lot of I can't like let me just say I can't eat a lot of processed junk food So I can't eat the About spam I can't eat I can eat that in limited quantities like spam misooby. Mm-hmm, but um I mean is ice cream. I guess ice cream is considered junk food, but it's like good ice cream. It's like telemuk It's I think I think you may be unintentionally defining junk food as things that make you sick Yeah, because rather than actually junk food making you sick because you're you're making exceptions for certain things Well, tell me. I mean is telemuk ice cream considered junk food? Yes Just because you like it doesn't mean it's not really has vitamins and has the all that has vitamins of some amount I also like chicken nuggets, but I don't like mcdonald's chicken nuggets. I like I like the freezer like the foster farms breaded nuggets that just stick in the oven Right because they aren't uh, they aren't uh injected with hormones. Well, there's something about mcdonald's food that has a weird taste Exactly. I actually really like mcdonald's chicken nuggets, and I always have but they recently changed how they make them I wonder if that would change it for you or not. I'm not sure I tried them recently with my kids happy though, and they still tasted weird to me. All right, so no Honestly, I think it's a little But that's probably it So with the quarter pounder mcdonald's they recently did the whole like we're using usda Like angus beef or whatever like, you know, not the Standard at least in the us american not the leavings Whatever mcdonald's was using for a long time. It actually tasted pretty good and it did not give me that foul Roger, you shouldn't have eaten that like 30 minutes later feeling So they must have done something. It's it's probably real meat because the only time I've ever had that feeling eating at mcdonald's was in australia And I was also eating a quarter pounder interestingly coincidentally enough They always used real chicken in chicken mcnuggets and wasn't fake chicken That's not fake chicken. It's processed. It's mechanically separated heavily processed, but it's still made of actual chicken And uh, do you know what pressed meat is? Oh, I don't I though Wait, your dad was a food fooditarian. I'll press meat That was I for the longest reason for the longest time. That's why I didn't like eating turkey sandwiches Because the only turkey I had was pressed meat turkey and I thought it was nasty It's like why is turkey tastes like this? It wasn't until I actually had turkey like at Thanksgiving at my uncle's house. It's like, hey, this is really good turkey for me And then I learned that you could buy Like actual turkey breast meat as um like from the deli Instead of getting that weird hormel or oscar mire stuff you get in the deli meat section Oh Smoke advisory for the valley fire in san Bernardino county Oh, that's east of me. Oh man. I wonder if there's gonna be fires when I go down there. Um I just have to bring some extra air chicken and chicken byproducts jpeg and chicken byproducts are still chicken yeah whether it's um organs That has to say chicken and chicken byproducts because they didn't keep out all the gristle and gizzards and all of that Well, that's how you make food processing as close to 100 efficient as possible. It's all good for you It's all something full of vitamins. We're basically doing what mother nature does when something decomposes into the ground Except that we do it much quicker. Oh meat glue Yeah meat glue. I've seen kind of creeped out by it But it's like an enzyme that essentially just welds meat back together after you slice So imagine a slice of meat like say a a steak cut or something And you cut in half with the meat glue you can put those two halves together Not only will it kind of connect back up, but you would not be able to find Where you cut it and if you could like if you cooked it you wouldn't be able to tell the difference It's a transglutaminase And it's used in many meats as well as tofu As a binding agent basically makes makes the processed meat stick together It's it's a way to get those little bits of cuts that normally would go into a grinder to make hamburger A little more valuable Yep, but the problem is some people are afraid that you know, you're basically getting like a shoulder and a leg and a belly cut all kind of glued together Because you know, usually when they do it you the grains don't match up Listen if I were to go out and eat every part of the buffalo you'd say I was being you know Ecological, right? I'm not wasting If I just feed every part of the buffalo in a machine that uses some glutamase to Find it together. Suddenly it's bad. I don't get it Honestly, if you just put the buffalo in a meat grinder and made buffalo patties, I would eat that as well. Yeah Buffalo patties get They get dry really easy though They get dry because people don't understand that animals that aren't domesticated have a lot less Painting with a very broad stroke there. I don't know if it's that they don't understand It's just me with a broader stroke. Tom watch everyone's dumb Uh, I think it's just it's tricky I mean, I I understand full well that there's a lower fat content in it, but it's still it's just That's the bite. That's the side effect of having very little fat is it's dry when you cook it You need to you need to be you need you need to be careful Maybe cover it with something when you cook it or you do what I do cook it in the oven It's it's just it's trickier to work with that's all that's all i'm saying I love that my wife doesn't like it. It's a little too gamey, but it's like litter I mean, it's just when it's done, right? It's really good. I like it It just tastes like you're eating a hamburger next to the ass end of a live cow Well, that's it for our video show now that roger has talked about cow butts Uh, stick around though audio folks. We might talk about more parts of the cow