 Thank you very much, thanks for the invitation to be here and thank you very much for the translation, I'm really happy to listen to that later. I was hoping and estimating, my topic is kissing hot tips and techniques, it was that I was asked if you ever wanted to do a talk at the camp, I said yeah, awesome, great, and the next talk I thought was shared, what should I talk about, because I didn't really have any idea, because I have no idea of anything basically, and then we had the idea, they told me how about to talk about how to make complicated things easier, and that's one of the things I'm working on a lot. They have pretty complicated topics and it's pretty difficult to get it to the people, and that's exactly what I do all the time, and that's what I'm talking about now. So that's my talk now, kissing, kissing is obviously from keep it short and simple in, and it's because it's obviously to get all these complex things into an easy way, and everybody hoped to get some tips for kisses or something like that, because if we have time afterwards, I have the standard literature about that, the God of Kissing, and this was published in 1991, and it really got rid of a block, because the Dr. Summertime, the German magazine always said that there's no, there's no tutorial how to kiss, and I said yes of course, see, so we can do this together, I might read about this, but the best is everybody finds a partner, or a female partner, and then we'll have a look at this. So first of all, keep it short and simple, that's the easiest, and I'm not saying anything surprising about that, that works better with a lot of lube, I have a very humid way of speaking, so otherwise everybody in front of me should, the distance is quite far, so I'm quite loud about that, so otherwise other people would have to get some rain gear with them, with spit, yes, saliva, that's not only what comes out of my mouth, but that's also the principle, how I keep things short and simple, we go through things by letter by letter, so that it sticks in your head, and everybody can work the same way as I do, the first thing is the S in German, is Sachverstand knowledge, you obviously have to have an idea what to, what do you want to explain, that's a great idea, because I don't really have it, I've got half knowledge, a lot of half knowledge, but I don't have to really, I can't really, I've got to learn everything again, I don't have any knowledge about things, and if I want to explain things, so first of all, you've got to learn what you want to explain then, so talk about it, about people, make phone calls, read about it, from people who really have understood the topic, and if you manage to do this, that's the basic, so yeah, if people know these things by heart, then you can do it wholeheartedly, and then you can also answer any question and really into it, and that's very important to have this kind of knowledge, then you have the P for public or more audience, it's totally important that you have an idea about the audience, you like an editor at the mouse where I work, you've got to pick up the people where they are, that means basically you always have to assume that the people know as much as you do, then that's jack shit, and they sit in front of the TV and where I work, you know, if I make a TV show, I make them, basically for me, so I know exactly what the target audience are, I know exactly what I like, what I don't like, so if I make these stories, I can make them basically in the way that I'm interested, I would be interested it, and that's a good thing, and that what interests me is, gladly, what interests the audience as well, so anyway, it's still quite important to think about what's the life reality of people, the grammar for elementary school, children are totally different from people who, from people visiting the camp, if you want to talk about Diffie Helman public exchange, I can talk about down a different level here than TV, but maybe not, maybe not, I don't know who, show of hands, who knows John Oliver, a few, John Oliver is a British comedian who lives in the US and worked together with John Stuart, and was a correspondent of Stuart, John Stuart had stopped his show recently, and John Stuart, John Oliver took the, they took different topics, and it was, so it took a topic that is, that's popularity is pretty much at the bottom, quite close to skin disease and mathematics, and this topic was surveillance, and surveillance by the state and this kind of things, a topic many people here find interesting, but if you leave the camp, it's, yeah well, it's not really interesting to anybody, to not that many people at least, and John Oliver said, it's important that you get informed and you talk about it and that you can, you know, make some decisions about it, and he visited Snowden in Moscow, and said Snowden, it's great what you're doing, but what you, that you inform the public, and it's great that you are sitting in my room in Moscow without mirror windows for a couple of months or years, for how long ever, but the problem is that it's interesting to nobody, and then he said some clips from the normal people on the street, and asked people who it was, Snowden was, and what he did, and there were really stupid answers, and then he talked, and then he talked, you know, talked about how the, how to get all this topic, this huge complex topic of things, and how to get it to people, and it ends with the fact that it goes, that he's talking about dick pictures, pictures of penises, and he went through all NSA programs and with Snowden and asked the question, what is, how is this relevant if I want to send pictures of my dick to my girlfriend or someone else, and funnily enough, when they talked about streets asking people on the street about if the government can see pictures of my penis, people were like, that's a scandal, and they, you know, they can't just, you know, see that, and suddenly there was some passion about it, and for the topic of surveillance, and that wasn't there before, and you see how that is important, and take the people and explain to them what the topic is, how relevant this is for their life, and penis pictures doesn't work all the time, but in this case they work very well. And that's a very interesting point in general, that you always need to find a hook, where you can hang a topic from, and that leads us to the you of spit, which means for change your way of thinking, or think around, think about, or, you know, inspect. When I work on a subject, or I write a program for this matter, and I've got a, I've got a certain subject, and I need to answer a question or a story. The first thing I do, or third, after knowledge, and thinking about what I want to see, I need to find a hook, and I always have to think of a scene from a great film, there's something about Mary. Anybody know it? It's great, everybody should. All the hands should be in there now. There's something about Mary. There's one scene, it's during fishing, and when I think of a hook to hang the topic from, I always have to think of this scene. I'm going to leave it running for a bit, so it burns in. It's not always easy to find this kind of hook, but it helps if you, if you actually, you know, work on the things and turn them around. I mean, the word picking something up doesn't, you know, come from anywhere, and you have to turn around and look at it from all perspective. That's not a penis, that's a sausage. Just to make sure that there are no miscomprehensions. Christoph, from the programme with the mouse, used to have the idea of showing how this kind of sausage is made in a film, and yes, I have to admit, there are more interesting subjects. He thought so as well, and I want to show how this sausage mush is pushed into the, you don't, it's not very attractive, but Christoph found something amazing. He looked at sausages, box sausages, and he noticed something. He noticed that all these sausages had this kind of nudge thing, this, you know, this, you see what I mean, he first thought it was, you know, mistake, a production error, but it was, you know, all of them had it, and suddenly he had the hook to hang the story from, because it started with a question, you know, this very discovery that, you know, it was like an enlightenment, looking at how, you know, I've had looks at these kind of sausages for 10 years, and I never noticed that all of them have this kind of ridge, and suddenly Christoph comes along and he says it's the same for all of them, and we're going to find out why. And suddenly you had an idea in your head, a question that you'd never asked yourself before, and you wanted to know the answer. Why do all the sausages have this kind of ridge? And now Christoph could make the film pretty much as he planned, showing how the sausage is made. And as a spectator, I always waited for the moment when this, when the ridge comes in, and finally it came, and that was because, should I, should I say, or do you want to watch the film? Go to the website of The Miles, the film's there. No, I don't have it here, we can't watch it now, sorry. You've got Wi-Fi, haven't you? No, I'm not connected. Anyhow, there's, you know, during the process of making these, I'm not going to, I'm not going to tell you, but there's a, this ridge comes in, and I'm going to give it to you as homework or as tent work. So the important thing is looking at things properly. I'm going to just, I always just leave the computer, I always work on the computer, but when I want to find a story I leave, I leave the computer behind. I start, you know, doodling and drawing things, drawing subjects, that's one of our recent things in the program. It's a witch house where Lumpy spends his lunch break, and that's how I make a lot of things. I just doodle and think about, you know, think where I end up, see where I end up, what happens. It's really old school, but it helps to find a new perspective, and that's what we do often at this and that. Ah, it's usually a kind of mad perspective, not, well, not mad, but just, you know, a bit kooky. Just, you know, just just looking at things slightly differently. Like, for instance, looking at a cup or a glass, when you look at it from above, it has the shape of a circle, but if you look at it from the side, it's a square, it's a completely different shape, and that's the same with all subjects. Depending on how you look at it, you see something else. And I'm not telling you anything new here, but, you know, realizing this helps tremendously in associating and, you know, just thinking about things, turning them over in your head, and, you know, what happens if I go further. And this kind of association is my technique of finding a hook. That's how I always try to find new aspects, new ways of looking at a, at a thing. It also helps to keep in mind what a very wise man said, Yoda. Yoda said, you must unlearn what you have learned in the second movie. I have the classical way of counting. When he teaches Luke how to use the force, that was, tells him, you know a lot, but you have to forget everything you know. And this is very similar when you want to explain something to people. You have to learn a lot of, or have to know a lot about the subject, but then there's a time where you have to forget all of that and start anew. Because when you forget things, you can look at the problem from, you know, a fresh and might find a way of making it interesting and so that other people can see it, who also have this kind of fresh look at on the subject. There's an author, Roger von Oesch, American. He, you know, he busies himself a lot with creativity and he wrote his subject, The Creative Kick. It's pretty old, but very interesting. And he also gives lectures. And he told me that one of the, one of the exercises in these lectures is drawing a line, he draws a line at the rear of his room. And there are teams, he forms teams of people, all of them get a stack of paper and he makes them fold as many aeroplanes and throw them over the line as possible in five minutes. And most of the teams start folding. And from time to time, the winning team doesn't fold any, but just, you know, just crumbles up the paper and throws it across the line, which is the most, you know, the most clever way technically, but it's, you know, most people just start making an aeroplane, but they can't forget this idea of, you know, folding paper aeroplanes, but it sometimes helps to forget things. So forgetting what you normally think on a subject can bring you very far. So this leads me to the programme for the break. Yes, I have a programme for the break. A few days ago, I saw a tweet from Katarina Meyer. Is she here? Hello, Katarina. So, I know that it's really embarrassing to get called out. You can sit down, sit seated. I don't, didn't bring the mouse with me, but lumpy. I didn't bring lumpy either. Or it's too hot for him. He can't, how can he sweat without breathing? And it's losing a little sand. And also he's losing a little sand and getting repaired. We're back to the studio soon. We talked about the memory recently and about, I recently found a book, Life's Little Destruction Book, and Katarina wanted to talk about it. I found this recently as a small break. And I wanted to read about is what makes living together easier. So Rule 45 is develop a convenient memory. It's really good for work, if you want to remember things for work. But it's also good for forgetting things from time to time. Rule 207, when you're done, when you're with your gum stick in the chair, I'll leave it uncommented. Rule 271, remember that is, everything was better years ago. This is the first time here today, right? I hope it's better than last time. Then something I remember, I do, I do often enough tell long boring stories. I'm sorry about that. It's not my fault. I'm not deliberately doing that, but that's how it is. Last Rule 222, I apologize a lot, but don't change. This is not good to give applause here. It almost sounds like it's okay if I do this, but okay. This was a small intermezzo. So thanks for you, Katarina. Welcome. Also belongs here. And we always take people who write us seriously, no matter which channel. The next point is a very important point, come flush. Come flush is very important if you do knowledge shows as we do, because most of the time, people with knowledge, associate knowledge with school, and school is associated with being boring and being boring is associated with turning off. And that's what we really don't want to do. So we want to camouflage this knowledge somehow. And this works with Liberal Party. Liberal Party or Liberal Worst is metaphorically, but I have to tell a small bit long story. My parents had dogs, among them Bob Tails. The Bob Tails name was Benjamin, and Benjamin had long hair also on his bum as all every Bob Tails had. We call him the Breath of Death, because he had really bad breath before in these last years of his life. Benjamin didn't only have long hair, but also what do you call it? Diarrhea. And yeah, what? Something from the audience. Keep it for yourself for the moment. If Diarmira meets long hair and the long hairs dry, and then you have some sort of corp. But if more Diarrhea comes out, there's more pressure. And my parents, I visited my parents on Sunday for breakfast, because the region around the area where Benjamin always lies was painted white recently. And Benjamin was lying there while we were sitting there. And suddenly there were funny noises. Benjamin got up, got walked around, and suddenly met, there was loud the white walls weren't as white anymore. There was a mix. It was some sort of mixing technique. So the pressure was too high. The, yeah, the distance cleared themselves and everything just blew out. And I asked, why don't you give the doc these tablets you got from the veterinarian that it goes away? I mean, the Diarrhea. My mother said he spits them out and it doesn't eat them. And then while we talked about it, that we could try it in a way that we take the tablet and mix it with liver patty and give it to the dog. And what can I say? It's totally easy and every dog owner knows it. The doc didn't care about it at all. The Diarrhea was blown away because the doctor just had the liver patty and I had just learned a lot for a life because liver patty helps to swallow bitter pills or information or facts. And that's what I mean with camouflage. So that means that if you found a hook, you have also have a hint how to camouflage the things. And so people who don't want to hide the things, so that people who don't want to know about this at all, they still stay tuned. Think about the penis pictures in this case. And this was some sort of camouflage as well. Also, it's quite good. I don't know if you notice the, regarding too much information and disgust is a great, it's a really big emotion and it always helps to coat things in emotions and someone makes a joke or someone picks their nose and parents, you know, I discussed it a little and they have a look at it and tell their kids, you don't do that at home. And at the same time, the kids don't only remember this feeling of disgust, but also, I always also say that we people, you know, also say that we people who have dry noses, people in general have dry noses and not wet noses and that's not strice and wet nose monkeys have not running down their nose and and so on. That means that you have to take things into your hands and yeah, for different, we look at it from different angles and don't stick it under under its chairs like the cum but just eating it up. Yeah, what? I want to see you when you just, you know, touch something and there's a lot of boogers. That's even more disgusting. That's quite interesting. Boogers or, you know, nose hair, they're like a filter. Every time I, when we visit a foreign country with a mouse and make a special edition, I always, at the first night, I can always see how the air quality is. There are places like Delhi, the boogers are very black at night and there are places like Brazilia where boogers have a very different color, more like gold. You can see how the hair works and how they try to filter the dust particles so they don't reach the lungs. A very good gauge, so boogers, that's one reason why I shouldn't look at them more often. So boogers are a sign of how highly developed we are. We are dry nose apes. The next letter K for no panic. I know it's technically two words but you know, no panic. You have a subject. You've thought it through. You know in front of whom you're speaking and you've forgotten everything. You've found a hook and then there's a big moment. You have to have the talk and you're scared as fuck. Well, at least that's how it works for me. In the worst case, you get diarrhea again. It doesn't have to be that way. The most important thing is to think to yourself you don't have to be afraid. Everybody else would be scared as fuck as well. So even if things go wrong, it's not a biggie. It's not a bad thing. You don't have to be afraid of mistakes because mistakes make you discover new things. You know, to quote Joda again, anger, fear, aggression, the dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. So please, no fear. That's from the third part incidentally. Shorty before he dies. Mistakes are good because something new always rises from mistakes. When I was on holiday, I was in Sweden. We looked at the Vasa Museum. The Vasa was a giant ship. Imagine pirates of the Caribbean, but for real. The Vasa was immensely expensive. It cost a quarter of the Swedish state budget in 1620 when it was built. The Vasa Wharf was the biggest employer. It took two years. So many people only took two years to build this massive ship. It's a bit dark because the museum is a bit dark, but I think you can see it. And it was massive. The Swedish king had this grudge with the Polish king and wanted to buy, wanted to build warships. And you notice that the Polish ship, the Polish king built a ship as well, a ship with two cannons. And the Swedish wanted one as well. And he also wanted the ship to be alive. And it should look pretty as well. And so it was built in a very slim, with a lot of statues and lots of decoration at the end. After two years, it was finally there, the big moment when the ship was sent to water. All of Stockholm was on the feet. The Vasa hissed sails and there was a small breeze. And the ship leaned a bit to its side. The cannon holes were open. So water got in. After 20 minutes in the water, the Vasa had sunk. Really embarrassing. The only thing you could still see was some of the rigging. It was sewn off after a few days. So the king spent a lot of money and made a massive mistake because he didn't listen to the Dutch constructors and wanted to do his own thing. And you think, oh, hopefully something like that never happens to me. But the great thing is if this giant mistake hadn't happened, and a lot of people died at the time, but if it hadn't happened, this ship wouldn't exist today. It's the only ship that's in such good condition from that period. It's a real testimony. You can see how people lived, how they used to build their ships. Nothing else like this exists. And only because of this massive mistake. So mistakes can turn into something beautiful, even if it's only a massive museum that's built around a ship. We, too, make mistakes in our stories. And they're really embarrassing. This happened to me recently. I don't know if any of you saw it. I made a film about what A4 paper is. You know, you'll read it every day, but nobody knows it. Yeah, very funny. It's a stupid, you know, I reversed some numbers. I don't know why I didn't notice, but it happens. And it sucks. But there's no point being angry about it. It gets changed. And the next time it's aired, it will have been the only mistake. But it happens. It happens to Armin as well. He made a film why the gift ribbon curls up when you go over it with a scissor. And he did his research. He talked to scientists and they told him, yeah, it's about the heat that develops when the scissor robs over the risen. He made a film, it aired, and there was a lot of mail, amongst others, from Air Vitea Aachen. And they were like, yeah, it's completely wrong. It's got nothing at all to do with heat. We can show it to you under the microscope. It's a shift of material, of matter. So there's, you know, shift the matter around a bit and that's why it curls up. And that was massively embarrassing. But he did the only right thing. He made a second film. And the second film started by saying, we did this ash on our heads. But luckily, there are people who told us that. And I mean, use it as an opportunity to retell the story correctly this time. And this was great because he kept his credibility. He didn't, you know, didn't try to sweep it under the rug. He said, yeah, it happens. And we mustn't forget that with the same topic, he was able to fill two films. And speaking of which, speaking of mistakes, the meat in terms of, you know, dead animals. And you're, you're all welcome to the, to the meet and greet over at the, the family city down at the slides. I'll be there at seven o'clock. And we can do what you do. Seven o'clock. And the last letter, E. Entertainment, terrible word, but I didn't think of another word. Entertainment is very important because, for example, it's, what kind of knowledge program is how is it to get people to get some knowledge. And for me, it is, to be honest, more, less than the handing on knowledge, but it's more the entertainment. It's important to have fun, to watch them. And I'm not sure how you think about it. But basically, it's that our brains are wired in a way that they're not interested in boring things. And if it's something's boring, it disappears very fast. So it's, so it's very important that if you present things, you can entertain the people a little. That's also language. I think it's very important to not stand your jargon, but to speak in a manner that you have the feeling that it reaches the people with sending with a mouse. There's a special way of talking and that is, the way we do it is that we speak live and don't write a text about it. And that's a certain type of telling stories, things. So if you make a, if you do it, if you do this film, there's always several gates of handing things off with the editors. And then you do this and then the raw cut and then the next cut. And while the film runs, you basically say what you want to say later in the final cut. But so earlier are the stories and then with the mouse were in a way that there were only pictures of music. And then someone said, yeah, you're making a kid's speechless. And that's why we said something about it. And then Armin went to get interfering with the guy back then and showed him the film. And they talked about it and do this exactly the way that to do it. And he went into the studio and did, you know, talked to a Reddit and and the editor said, well, that's not not how you showed me. He spoke it totally different. I want to have it differently. And then basically the first take, the improvised version, we just like easily spoken to the microphone. That was the speech style. They haven't the mouse. And that means that we don't go into some sort of meta level. We only want to describe what you can see. That makes it very compact on the other one one hand, because you, you know, see and hear things at the same time. And you're pretty concentrated and you don't move on and and and go to other things in your mind. Your mind doesn't wonder because if you speaking long sentences, it's easier and instead of concentrating and saying a small sentence. Now the sentence comes that I'm really happy to hear in the translation. And we're all pretty small cunts. And yes, that is funny from a translator's perspective, but in that's not everybody is with likes is page long sentences when so that's what cunt wrote about. And I was really annoyed when I studied philosophy. And so don't do any cunt sentences. That's just the way it is. And that's very important. That's also important that you if you do presentations like here, such as here, I don't like it very much, but there's a lot of easy presentations with small tables and very they're so small that you can't see it all. And there's far too many information. And then, you know, just reduce and just keep the sense, but reduce it very small to very small things and very basic things. And if some sort of show stops or some talk stops, presentation stops, and I think I have the feeling that's too bad that it's ended now. And it's that's much better than everything. I regret that it's much better than everything. Well, it could finally end. Thanks. Thank God it's over. So I hope some of that spit that you could take with you some of that spit that I used to keep the things fluid. Thank you. Thank you very much. That was the translation. Thank you for listening. My name is Julian. And you can give us feedback on the Twitter hashtag ccc camp 15 EN or come back to the booth and say hi or whatever. Thank you for matter. Hey, we have so we have so 15 minutes left. So that wasn't so we can do also do questions and answer, of course, instead of choosing partners for kissing. No questions and no answer. No questions and say, yeah, there's a question in the middle. Take the take the microphone for the questions. I want to know which aspect of spit where, you know, where these stories you tell how they differentiate themselves from like Galileo Galileo. I research on something of media. Oh, you got me on the wrong foot there. I don't watch Galileo. But what do you think when you watch Galileo? I don't know. It's similar to your stories. Wow. In any case, after watching it, none of you likes or watch it. You don't feel like you've learned anything. And after a you know, story like it's told in Zenon with emails, you do. He said understanding. Well, maybe it's just spit or maybe just the K and the SPU is missing. I imagine might be that and everybody does it differently, to be honest. And I think there are lots of people who think you like Galileo better than what this much does or Zenon with emails. And it's important to know it's there are there are lots of different tastes. And I can't I can't satisfy them all at the same time. I can't I can't please everybody. The only thing I can do is to only do things that I like. And, you know, that way I know that at least somebody one person will like it. And I think that Galileo was, you know, Galileo too has that there's a reason why it's there, but it's not it doesn't cater to my taste. Any more questions? The thing about the liver sausage, you know, it's still in the heads. The question is about sea camouflage. We have a great vegan vegetarian restaurant. I knew it. It was just metaphorical. No, of course, it was metaphorical, but I learned that you don't swallow the hook. When the camouflage doesn't fit. Do you have any kind of did you do any research of what you need to wrap around it? Maybe some some tips what what what people, you know, what different people like? I think people like to laugh more than they like to cry. Now we could make a making experiment in this matter and have a have a program that's really sad and, you know, get people close to tears and see how much sticks probably not as much, maybe a little. But the important thing is that you try to make, you know, give flavor to the subject. Maybe that's the right term. Humor makes things a lot more what lot easier. And, you know, does not take yourself seriously, but taking the subject seriously helps. And admitting mistakes helps, you know, allowing mistakes helps. But it's always it always depends on the on the subject hand. It always has to has to be attractive. And that's what what important. But how you do it depends on the on the concrete case. Maybe we should make a sort of workshop next time where we, you know, look at different subjects and see what what comes up. There's no one size fits all solution. Why do you do? Why do you make this? Good question. The answer is pretty simple, actually, because we have so many questions. And notice that, or at least I did in early years, that neither my parents nor my teachers nor the the priest could answer them all. And at some point you start looking for answers yourself. And if you're lucky, the answers you find, you know, pretty presentable. And then you can make this sort of program. And well, nowadays, there are different ways of of sending these things. But we mostly make them because we have lots of questions and we get lots of questions. And that's those are the reasons. And because it's fun, to be honest. That's the most important thing in everything you do, that you make sure you have fun doing it. And that you have a good time doing it. For this matter, for example, I can make loads of kales and I don't even have to clean up after myself. So there's the set theory, there's a huge set of things you like to do and a huge set of things you do well. And the things you do well don't always have to be the things you like to do and the other way around. Like cleaning my room, I'm really good at it, but I hate it. I like to pay, but I'm terrible at it. But when you have these two sets and there's a they overlap at some point and you find something you like and you can you do well, when you found that, then there's really not a lot that can go wrong. And you have a lot of fun. And for I'm in Christoph and myself, with Zendermitte Maus and with Wismachta and lots of people who work there. It's tremendous fun. I'd love to know how the the curb and the sausage goes, works. And there's, you can't have a look. You can't find the show online. I can't find it. And it's not online, unfortunately. And I really would like to know how it goes. I don't know. I can't remember. And I think that it's the sausages are hung up somehow. And there where they are hanged, the bar presses in the soft mass of the sausage. And then it when it gets hot and harder than it's, you know, then it's this small thing stays. So that's about it. And that's how you deal with your Hamburg assignments. Okay. Another question. No. One more question. I'm not sure how we'll feedback. I'm not sure if you're the right person to ask, but it would be very nice. It's very nice if there's a lot of explanation for kids. I'm not I'm, I'm, I would like to see things that are actually interesting for pair for grown ups, like things like kicking a ball with the head. But but I'm not that interested in things like how the sausage is made, you know, there's, there's, there's shows like walks and co. There's, it goes pretty deep there. And that's not technical things, but societal topics and things like that. And the things that are related to science and they are, they got very deep and they're monothematical. And there's things like that too. And that, of course, and that's sad. There's things cut down. Like that was a show, not okay. Sorry, I understood that. Well, it was cut, you know, and that's that's sad. But and they have because they have to save and that hits as authors. And the science editors, because it's painful, these, these cuts, of course, because many have the feeling that money is spent for things that we are isn't interesting for us. But for football, for example, yeah, yeah. And those things like this, and the only thing we can do is get known here heard and then I can carry it on. But it's more important that very many people write all because all letters are read at the West German television and it's taking serious. So yeah, nothing is thrown away just like that. So it means that if you're want to get active about that, then you have to do that and write, for example, the TV station. Very good. So we don't have any more questions. There's another one. I have one more question. I saw the setting when asked recently, and I noticed that there was no woman and that's quite often like that. And I want that I can imagine that there's a lot of men that you shouldn't know. I know that if it's very technical and there's only men available. But I think you should notice that more. And then with the mouse, there were only old men for years. And for recently, there's Malin here. And she was under a mother's leave for a while. And she's working with us again. And then there's a woman and I can talk about from for me. And I want to talk about this more. And you're not a werewolf. This is the show about poverty that's done together with a woman. I work with a woman and Nonahalp is a topic that's a show that's a woman. We want to get creative balance there. There's obviously not every show that I'm not in every show. It's always important to make the show and make the show. But you have to tell young kids that it's very totally okay to get interested in technical things if you're a boy or a girl. And that's a part of life. And we have to be a good example that women are interested in that and that they can describe these things. And that's important. Then thanks very much. So that was it again. Thanks for listening to the translation. My name is Julian. And we love your feedback. So use the Twitter hashtag cccamp15en and there's maybe another talk next time maybe. Thanks for listening. Goodbye. Bye-bye.