 because we were like, but why? Like, what's the problem? Like, explain the problem. I'm afraid of elevators. I don't like them. When I am afraid of them, but yeah, I don't like them. I'm sure not to get in an elevator. So if there's someone else in the elevator, fine, totally fine. Are you worried about it breaking or dropping? It is entirely irrational. There is no, there is no... Well, sure. Because logically, I'm like, I know what that elevators rarely break down. When they break down, they're easily fixed. They don't, you know, generally go plummeting to the, like in Die Hard. Like I, there's no reason for me to be afraid. Even saying that though is like, I shouldn't say that because then the next time I get in, something's gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah. I've been stuck in an elevator a couple of times. I traced it back one time. I was talking to my mom about it, not like, I don't know, five or six years ago. She's like, well, you know, you got stuck in an elevator when you were three. I was like, what? I'm like, yeah, we were visiting your uncle at the Tennessee Valley Authority power plant in Memphis. And we got stuck in an elevator. And she's like, you and your sister did not like it. And your uncle had to climb out and go, because there was no one in the plant. It was on the weekend. He had to climb out and go get us unstuck. I was like, oh my gosh, no wonder. That's probably it. That sounds rather dangerous just climbing out of elevator. It was this, you know, as a power plant elevator, so it was this big open, great thing. Oh, I see. You know, so he just like popped a thing up on the top and then went over to, there's like stairs right next to it, right? So he just walked over the stairs, walked down, did something, something got it going again. It was not like an elevator in a hotel where he was like climbing up a shaft or anything like that. Yeah, generally, it depends on the elevator. Like if there are a lot of elevators in the building that are closed due to servicing, they won't ride it. Oh, no. See, that's when it's safer, because you know the broken ones are broken. It's when they're all working, that you're like, which one of these is actually going to break down? I don't know. It's, I have, it's not that I'm, it's not that I'm afraid of getting stuck. I'm afraid of getting stuck too long that I need to use the bathroom. And I just start thinking of like, what can I do? That's exactly my, that, that would be my fear as well. Like I can hang out in here for a while. I won't be comfortable, but I'm not going to like explode the walls or anything, but what if I have to pee? Then we really get a problem. Like can I try a floor escape hatch up at the top and pee over the side? It's all about like, where's the nearest restroom? Why don't elevators have restrooms on board? That was my biggest fear on road trips. It's like, where am I going to go? Just can't pull over and use it. And this is when I was deadly afraid of public restrooms. Like, ah, I don't want to use a public restroom. Deadly afraid of them. Like I just would hold it like very, very, deadly. No, I would hold it like up to the point of like, that's not healthy. All right. Shall we break for daily tech news show? That's good. This seems like a good place to do that. Sarah, you should do the honors today. All right. Three, two. Samuel Ong has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Be like Samuel. Become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, March 4th, 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. We have got a cornucopia of technology news for you today, from lawsuits to security problems to security good news to cooking. It's all here. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Facebook has made its dark mode official for iOS and Android, somewhat weirdly enabled by sending the crescent moon emoji in an existing chat thread or new message. Last month, Messenger also introduced the option to unsend messages during a 10-minute window. So it's a whole new ballgame. Sources tell The New York Times that Huawei is preparing to sue the United States government for banning government agencies from using its products. A lawsuit would reportedly be filed in the Eastern District of Texas and seek to challenge a provision in the defense spending authorization law passed in August that blocks executive agencies from using telecom equipment made by Huawei, as well as ETE. Huawei CFO Meng Wangzhou has also filed a complaint with the Supreme Court of British Columbia that Canadian police and border agents are accused of illegally searching her before her arrest, her extradition, is still being processed in Canada. Do you have outlook for iOS? Well, Jeffrey Cox, the MP for Torridge and West Devon that's in the UK says that his solution to Brexit is a somewhat head-scratching but unambiguous call to action get outlook for iOS. This is something that he tweeted, which has led many to wonder, what in the heck? You got to watch when you cut and paste those tweets out of email, don't you? That's hilarious. Over the weekend, Tesla CEO Elon Musk tweeted without saying get outlook for iOS that the company would unveil the Model Y SUV at an event on March 14th in Los Angeles. The Model Y will be built on the existing Model 3 platform and according to Musk, the Model Y will be about 10% bigger than the Model 3 and cost about 10% more, have less range for the same battery capacity. But hey, if that's what you want, you're going to get a chance at it. All right. Let's talk a little more about Facebook. It's not even news, but come on Facebook. Yeah, a little bit of an update here. Remember last year when Facebook admitted that it was targeting ads based on the phone numbers that people had added to their accounts for two-factor authentication? Maybe you did. Maybe you didn't. Well, one aspect of that behavior is getting some widespread attention after Jeremy Burge of Emojipedia pointed out that anybody who knows your phone number, or at least can guess your phone number, can then look you up on Facebook, whether you keep your phone number hidden or not. So it's not exactly like a search. It happens when you do things like upload a contact list, maybe something from your phone, for example, or something that you bought from a data broker, for example. The best you can do as a user is limit this lookup to your friends, but there's no way to shut it off completely, at least not at this time. Facebook users can also use authenticators like Authy instead of text messages, which is a more secure method anyway, and just not give Facebook their phone number at all. Yeah, I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, reasonably, the fact that you can restrict it to friends means, essentially, only people who would likely already know your phone number could then look you up by your phone number, and so it's not that bad. Although it does- It's not as if guessing phone numbers is some widespread problem that we're all doing. And if you're limiting it to friends, it's somebody like, well, I decided to connect with this person on Facebook anyway, right? It does default to everyone though, so that's unfortunate. It shouldn't default to everyone. And the fact that they work so hard to get you to give them their phone number in order to set up two-factor authentication, especially before they had the authenticator option, means that a lot of people thought, well, I don't want to give Facebook my phone number, but I will give it to them for authentication. And we talked about that when this story first arose over the targeting of ads. Facebook is not really denying this, saying, yeah, this is to make it easy to look up your friends, and it doesn't seem like they're going to do anything about it. So on the one hand, I'm like, it really isn't as bad as some people are shouting, but on the other hand, if you are asking me to give a phone number as a security measure, you should provide an option by which that is the only thing that will be used for. And it is unconscionable to me that Facebook isn't acknowledging that. I think it's surprising that they're not acknowledging that and saying, yes, we will give you a chance to say nobody gets to access my phone number. It's only for security. That is absolutely the way it should work. I agree. I also think that, and I have many friends who are wonderful people who don't really understand the inner workings of Facebook. And I've heard time and time again, why would they want my phone number? Something bad is going on here. So there's a lot of fud that ends up being drummed up when stories like this arise, even though there's a little bit more to it than Facebook is not just farming out your phone number to everybody. Well, and that's a really good reason why they shouldn't be using this for anything else, because people are already suspicious. And while granted, I think everybody should be using some sort of second factor authentication like Authy or Google Authenticator or even some kind of YubiKey or something. If you can get someone to at least use second factor authenticator with the phone number and text message, that's better than not having it. But if some people are like, you know what? I'm not doing the second factor authentication at all, because those Authy things I don't understand, and I don't want to give Facebook my phone number. I read this story that people can look me up by my phone number if I do that. Well, yeah. Yeah, dear brokerages. Yeah, you don't want to tell people, well, I guess that's kind of true. You want to be able to say, no, there is an option where you can turn that off to convince people. This makes people trust Facebook less. And if they don't want to quit Facebook, act less secure on Facebook. And that's just bad. Don't do that. Hear, hear. Don't do that Facebook is my suggested title for the show. All right. Last week, another don't do that. The USB Implementers Forum or the USB IF made a hash again of USB 3.2 by essentially letting it mean three different speeds. We talked about it on the show last week. The short version is if you want the fastest USB cable, you'd need USB 3.2 Gen 2 X2, even though there's also a Gen 2. It's just the worst. Anyway, hopefully it will not repeat this with USB 4 because the good news about USB 4 is that Intel made Thunderbolt 3 royalty free. They've been trying to get people to adopt Thunderbolt 3. And the part of the reason of making it royalty free was encourage that adoption. And the USB Implementers Forum is making it the basis for the USB 4 spec. So USB 4, just like Thunderbolt 3, will go to 40 gigabytes per second. That's up from 20 and allow multiple data and display protocols simultaneously. The full USB 4 spec should arrive in the second half of this year with USB 4 devices coming about a year and a half after that. So it's going to be a while before you get these, but they'll all be USB C. They'll all be super fast. And the USB Implementers Forum is going to try to get manufacturers to include all the spec options, audio, data, security, et cetera, in every port, so that you don't have to guess which cable does what when you're plugging in your USB C, which is one of the big complaints about USB C under the USB 3 standards. So whether they can get manufacturers to do that or not is a whole different conversation, I suppose, but things are looking better for USB 4 at least. Well, I've got a big box in my closet right over here with a lot of USB who knows cables, so I hope that they're backwards compatible. Yeah, well, maybe just responsibly recycle them and buy a hundred cables. I mean, you're going to have to declare cable bankruptcy at some point with this stuff, I think, because the old USB C cables for USB 3 are a mess. And USB 4 may not be better. I'm saying I hope it's better because they're asking manufacturers to provide all of the parts of USB 4 if they want to get certified as USB 4, but a lot of companies will still be able to implement the standard without certification and they won't care. So I'm not 100% hopeful. But Roger, I know you were saying some things about USB at our prep meeting. I was going to say that I think this sounds pretty awesome. One that hopefully eliminates a lot of the confusion around the cabling. But I really hope this gives a shot in the arm with accessory manufacturers who make Thunderbolt accessories currently. And anyone who's tried to buy one knows that they are eye-wateringly expensive. And I'm hoping this will make it broad enough or enough manufacturers that it lowers the price. So you can buy a dock that isn't 200 bucks, but instead like 100. Yeah. The World Wide Web Consortium approved the Web Authentication API known as WebAuthn as its official web standard for passwordless logins, which allows users to use biometrics or mobile devices and fiddle keys to log in instead of a password. WebAuthn already has support from Windows 10 and Android, as well as Google Chrome, Mozilla's Firefox, Safari, and Microsoft Edge browsers. WebAuthn is a core component of the FIDO2 standard that supports public key cryptography and multi-factor authentication. With FIDO2, login credentials don't leave a user's device. They're always there. They're not stored on servers, eliminating most forms of data breaches and phishing scandal vulnerabilities. FIDO keys are unique for each site, so they can't be used to track users either. Yeah, this is a really good thing. And if you don't know about FIDO and you're like, wait, how can that work? Definitely check out Security Now with Steve Gibson or the NoCillicast podcast with Bart Bouchotte's Security Updates with Allison Sheridan. There's some great explanations of how FIDO works. It's basically public key cryptography. The same way that you can sign an email with your private key in a way that someone who has your public key can verify it's you, the simple version is websites will be able to do that too. Say, oh, that's actually Sarah, because it's signed with her private key. We don't know what the private key is. That's why it doesn't leave the device. And it means that you don't have to remember a password. You'll be able to have secure universal second factor authentication on the device that you're using. You can use it with multiple devices. You can use it with Yuba key. This is a very well vetted system. I know some of you may have questions like, wait, does it really work that way? What are the vulnerabilities? Not that anything is vulnerability free ever. This is a pretty well hardened system. And if you can get companies to adopt it, it will make the world more secure, and it'll make it easier for you to stay secure. And the whole second factor dance that we're talking about with Facebook earlier won't matter because you'll have a much more secure, easier to use system here. Yeah. I mean, I know it's more complex than just being like, yay, a world without passwords. But I feel like we are moving towards a world without passwords because even though there are great systems like one password or last pass that attempt to make your life easier by eliminating you from having to remember things like this, they just isn't a secure system. And not as secure as it could be when we have alternatives like this. And the thing about Fido that makes me so excited is you have Google, Mozilla, Apple, Microsoft, all already out of order. Yeah. This is not some sort of open source. No one's heard of it. Is it really going to work? Or is it going to work with my life? It's widely regarded as the right call. And an official standard now. This is not new that it's been implemented, but now that it's part of the W3C standard, that's going to make a lot more people willing to jump on board, which is good. The New York Post has an article reviving the story we talked about last year that Apple and Tim Cook in particular are heavily involved in the content direction of Apple's original television shows. The Post reports the same stories we heard before, Apple wanting nicer family-friendly storylines, creators getting frustrated. If nothing else, it means that the situation hasn't changed since we talked about it last time. And the New York Post article points out that that may be the cause of delays. If you've been wondering, where is Apple's television service? Why haven't we heard about it? When is it going to finally get announced? Is it going to be at WWDC? Why didn't we hear about it earlier this year? Maybe that's why. They're just taking too long to get it into shape in a way that Tim Cook and the other Apple executives approve of, which is typical for Apple's hardware approach. I don't know if that works well on content, though. You know, it's funny. When Steve Jobs was still at the helm, and Tim Cook was certainly a right-hand man and was heavily known within the company as being the hardware guy. Yeah, who understood how concepts came to the consumers and what had to go into that. For it to be sort of like Tim Cook in particular is very heavily involved in the content direction of the original TV show. It's like, well, duh, I mean, he's the CEO. But it also makes me wonder how much his role has changed within the company because the company itself is in a little bit of a, I don't want to say an identity crisis, but Apple is needing to evolve because of the market and the market that they're in. And the fact that what Tim Cook may have been really, really good at all of this time is not necessarily what Apple needs anymore. Yeah, I saw an article noting that the number of vacancies for service-oriented positions at Apple now outnumbers the number of vacancies for hardware positions at Apple. So like you say, it's a whole new ballgame for them. It is. A security researcher with Google's Project Zero discovered a flaw in the Mac OS XNU kernel. The flaw exploits the kernel's copy-on-write behavior which allows for malicious changes to user-mounted file systems without the virtual management subsystem realizing that it's happening. And therefore, without the user knowing either. The researcher informed Apple of the flaw back in November of 2018 and published it as a high severity bug well after the project's usual 90-day deadlines. Apple's currently working with Project Zero on a feature patch to fix the issue. It's a sophisticated vulnerability. Most people are not going to run into it, although as with all vulnerabilities, you should be careful what you install, what websites you visit, et cetera, et cetera. But it's a bad bug and the significance here is that they gave Apple 90 days. They gave more than 90 days and Apple still hasn't patched it. So it's important. I agree with the way Project Zero does this to say like, we'll give you a chance to fix it. But at a certain point, if we know about it, 90 days later, it gets more and more likely that somebody else may figure it out too. So we need to let people know so they can mitigate against it and be aware. So this is what's happening here, is to know like, hey, most people are probably not going to worry about this in their day-to-day life, but if you're involved in highly secure situations, you should look into this and I figure out how to make sure you don't run afoul of it. Yeah, that was going to be my question, really, is when one of my aunts, who's a wonderful person but listens to our show and doesn't understand stories like this necessarily, calls me later today and says, oh no, what should I not use anymore? Then the general public should not panic. No, it's normal best practices. Don't install software that you don't know. Don't click on links unless you're absolutely sure they're going to someplace that you should. Make sure you have HTTPS links when you're entering any kind of information, etc., etc. All of those normal secure practices are what are going to protect you from this and this is a much more sophisticated attack. So it's unlikely there's a lot of in the wild exploitation of it right now anyway, but the longer time goes on, the more likely it gets. Finally, Fast Company's Mark Wilson has an interesting write-up about the advent of induction burners starting to replace traditional stoves more and more. He notes that the avant-garde restaurant in Chicago, Alinea, mostly has just long rows of steel tables in its kitchens now and chefs just grab an induction burner when they need it to cook something. Induction burners, if you don't know, generate no ambient heat. They use oscillating magnetic fields to generate an alternating electrical current in the pot or pan. The resistance to that current in the actual pot causes the heating, which means the element never gets hot. So it's a little safer, it's a little more efficient. Your pots have to be iron or some kinds of stainless steel. It's for this to work and they can't be too thin either, but it's very convenient, very power efficient and safer. Wilson reports on a concept from product design studio Adriano Design for appliance manufacturer, Fabita, called Ordeen. The idea is to put two induction burners hanging on your wall in a way that looks really cool. It looks really nice. It's well-designed and then you'd just be able to pull it down to the countertop. It's already plugged in. You don't have to go fishing around for cables and just start using it when you need it. You don't take up a big area of your kitchen with a big old stove. You've got a nice safe and highly usable induction heater up there on the wall for you. Freeze up some counter space. Now modular cooking, like Instant Pot, isn't new, but the design looks good here and it improves the user experience. It's part of Fabita's move to take advantage of design to launch its own brand of kitchen tech. I think this is interesting because we tend to say, well, what's new? Induction heaters have been around forever. I could always stick this up on my wall, except you didn't, or maybe you didn't do it in as nice a way as this. This could popularize. Good design is the kind of thing that can popularize good technology. Well, and when you, I've lived in apartments for so long that it's like everything's very small and the idea of having extra space in your kitchen is really great. Not everybody needs this necessarily. Roger, I know that you grew up in kitchens and restaurants. Does this seem like something that is the right move if the food is going to be? So, I mean... It's the same way, yeah. For many restaurants, induction cooking is a positive step because it allows you to get a couple more burners without necessarily clearing out a giant section for a new stove. There are certain situations you still want a stove because you need the oven portion of it to finish cooking, whether it's searing a steak and you just bake the rest of it when it's done or a broiler or anything like that. But it does allow you a lot more flexibility, which is key. Like if anyone's, if you know what a household stove looks like, just imagine one that's three times as heavy and a lot bigger, it tends to occupy a lot of space. And it does, once it's there and you're not using it, it still occupies the space. With this, you can kind of slide things in and out. What I really see this as valuable is for people who rent and move a lot. There was a period in my life about five years where I lived in a sublet that had a sink, had a shower, but no stove, no kitchen. So to cook anything, I used my rice cooker, microwave, toaster oven, hot plate. This would have been a huge benefit. Alex, neighbor, yeah. I mean, just put it next to a well. Though this design wouldn't have worked for you there because this design is mounted into the wall with the electricity. They would need to create a more portable version of this for that situation. Well, what they could do, essentially, is when they build rental units, you could just kind of put this on the wall and you don't know. So the next thing to build in then a stove, yeah. Well, a stove, especially since you're not... If you live in an apartment complex where you have a shared water heater, you don't need to run individual gas lines into all the houses at that point unless they use... Well, they use electric stoves in places like that. But I mean, it does cut down on the costs because now you don't need to make any stuff. But actually, if you have kids, too, I mean, you have the whole thing of lower fire danger. Plus, you can clean the dang thing, right? If you ever tried to clean your stove, there's giant gaps where the burner sits and then everything else sits. You got to lift it up. You got to suck it out. Yeah, it's my least favorite thing to clean. Although all the advantages that you're describing here already exist for inductive burners that you can buy right now. You don't need this new design to take advantage of those particular... But the inductive... The way inductive does allows for that kind of design to exist in the first place, right? You could maybe try to jury rig something with a gas burner or something that burns on propane or butane, but definitely not as elegant or as simple. No, I mean, I think a lot of people don't realize inductive burners are an option. You know, it's better than just a good old-fashioned hot plate. So that alone makes it worth talking about. So people are like, hey, I can go buy one of these right now. But then when you add this design that says, let's popularize it. Let's make it so that it's a functional part of a high-end kitchen that could also work for medium-low-end kitchens as well. And it's a real option. I mean, unlike an electric range top, you can control the temperature. That's literally next to impossible with an electric range. You have returned it's either hot or it's off. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And that's one of the advantages of gas usually is you have a little more control, but with induction, you have more control too. Sure. And I think that when we talk about these stories, when you hear of very high-end restaurants adopting a model, you're like, okay. I mean, this is like a world-class restaurant. They're not going to do something that's just cost-saving that ruins the food. It's actually not at the expense of the food. Yeah, the food is primary in a place like Elinia, which I will likely never be able to eat at. But French Laundry did this too. They went to inductive. Also, probably will never eat a French Laundry. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to DailyTechHeadlines.com. Also, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. I don't know what happened there in submit stories and vote on others at DailyTechNewsShow.Reddit.com. Also, we're on Facebook, Facebook.com, slash groups, slash DailyTechNewsShow. Particularly when you submit to the subreddit by participating. It's always worth it. Right. And there's another subreddit for that as well. If you're planning to travel to Europe in 2021 or later, well, guess what? Amateur traveler Chris Christensen has an important info for you. This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler with another Tech in Travel Minute. If you have plans to travel to Europe not this year and not next year, but the year after in 2021, you should know that the Schengen countries, this is 26 different countries in Western Europe, most of Western Europe, are going to start requiring an e-visa. This is something that you're going to be able to get through a website or through an app, and it's only going to cost about seven euro, but you're going to need a visa. And that is something that many people do not need when they're coming from countries like Canada and the US and Australia right now, but you will in 2021. So just a heads up. I'm Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler. Yeah, I did the e-visa thing for my trip to Australia last year from my nephew's wedding. It was super simple because you just do it online and then you get the email saying you did it. And then when you show up and show your passport, it's all there. You don't have to prove anything or anything. So that's actually a good way to do it. I'm glad if they're going to do it, that's the way they're doing it. All right, let's check out the mailbag. Let's do it. This one comes from Warren. This was in response to our conversation about the idea of Amazon launching its own store, a basic store of sorts. Warren says, let me start by giving you some background. I live in rural Arkansas. My work takes me all over the east side of the state. What I notice here is that almost every small town has one common thing, and that's the dollar store, usually dollar general. In the last few years, they have most upgraded to having a frozen section and offer things like milk, et cetera at this point. They're not great, but provides items for small populations in a local setting where they might not even have another supermarket for a 20 mile radius, even more. I see these and I think about Amazon. I could easily see Amazon making a move on stores like this and fill them with the Amazon basic items, et cetera. The opportunity to have a very small distribution center in every small town, plus the logistical giant of Amazon, could make their deliveries even fast and easier for these basic items. Yeah, and what we were talking about last week was Amazon doing a grocery store, like a low-cost grocery store, which is not exactly the same as a dollar general. We had a P.N. Hirsch that became a dollar general in Greenville when I was growing up. A dollar general is a little more general, if you will. But an Amazon basic store that competed with that could certainly be a next step after these grocery stores, for sure. I could absolutely see it. And before the show, you said, oh, dollar general, yeah, we had one of those. And I don't know a dollar general, but I know what a 99-cent store is in theory, in concept. There's one right down the street for me. Yeah. They don't have a lot of groceries there, but I can see where it's like, it is the same idea. The dollar general store always felt like a mini department store to me, versus the 99-cent stores feel like a little more jumbled here, the ones that I've run into. You know, the dollar general. They're not exactly the same. They're like mini Walmarts, kind of. They used to be more of a dollar store, and as time went on, they had a lot of stuff that's more than a dollar. We used to get our shoes there at the dollar general. Then Tim wrote in and said, hey, Tom, Sarah, and Roger, a friend and I were having a discussion about the not-so-obvious most influential tech inventions currently in use. We came up with drones, LEDs, and high-towered Bluetooth. I recently read a news article about the tornadoes in Alabama and gave an impressed head nod that drones were flying overhead equipped with heat-seeking devices that had scanned the area for survivors. What tech would you all argue for as being not-so-obvious but very influential? 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It was sung by Scott McKenzie, but written by John Phillips of the Mommas and the Pappas. Ah, okay, that's why I didn't have Momma's Pappas feel to it. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah, I don't know. I never loved that song. But, um... You don't like wearing flowers in your hair, do you? I just felt like it was just a weenie song, you know? Like, put your shoes on, hippie. Yeah, get out of here, you flower. No shoes, no shirt, no service. No, but what I was seeing... That's where they came from, you know? Just so you know. Oh, really? It really came from that song? No. Yeah. Too gentle. Get out of here. No, there was a... There was an older man who rode around on his bike with... And there were a lot of people kind of who had like boom boxes and I don't know. It's like a whole thing where you're like, I want everyone to be part of whatever song I'm listening to. Got it. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But this particular man played the Mommas and the Pappas up repeatedly. And it was sometimes at like 3 a.m., you know, where it would start to get like, this is like scary horror movie stuff. Because once you hear that song too many times, you're like... Yeah, like it's... Because it's kind of in that sort of like, you know, that flat type thing where it's like, it's not like a happy song necessarily. What if the boom box is playing and the batteries are slowly dying? Right, right. I guess it would still even have to be a team check at that point where it actually started to go more slowly, rather than sort of... See, that's one of the things you missed with digital technology. You don't get that. You don't get the like, oh, it's creepy. Oh, I don't know. You could have Kodak errors that are pretty creepy. And we had one ourselves on an old East meets West, remember? Yeah, but that's because we recorded out of a teapot. Well, I'm just... No, it wasn't. It was because the hard drive on my Dell was dying. It did get to the point, though, where this particular gentleman, and like I said, he was older. He kind of had sort of like, fraying sort of long gray hair and, you know... A little lilac in his hair. And like, when he would pass, we'd be like, oh, California Dreamin'. We got some title ideas here that are good. We have Don't Do That Facebook, which is, you know, my personal favorite since I said it. We've got Inductive Seasoning. Oh, I like that one. That's a good one. Yeah. Come on, Facebook. A lot of Facebook ones here. USP3 for all, like USP4. USP4 all. Uh, Sarah has a password for me, show Apple TV. Oh, there are a lot of suggestions in here today. The key to authentication. I like Don't Do That Facebook or Inductive Seasoning, either one. I like Inductive Seasoning just because it keeps us from having Facebook in our title. Because it's going to be in there soon anyway. Yeah, right. That's true. One more day without it would be good. All right, done. Inductive Seasoning. You're not so old. Here are the best. Partizarete was also suggested. Partizarete. It was like, what in the heck? I think you were trying to say, like rotisserie, like rotisserie. No, I know exactly. Because I've done that where you get a couple of the words that are coming up jam up in your head. It was subreddit. It was getting in there with partizarete. Yeah. Which is funny because it's like, you can almost get away with it. Like people are like, I don't even mean. Well, I'm like, that's not a word. That's not a word that I just said. I just made up that word. Partizarete. Would you like to partizarete in my birthday party next week? Partizarete, in other words, makes some pastries. That sounds good. Yeah. Yeah, that's when you partizarete. A partizarete award. Yeah, great. Partizarete chicken. Only with new ovens. Otherwise, I don't want to do it. How much? You know, I will not partizarete. That's for the show. I don't know why I didn't go to this earlier. We should have, how much is an inductive burner right now? Because, again, the big criticism of that fast company story is they know, but Wilson acknowledged, he's like, I know these aren't new, but this is a really cool design. An inductive cooktop burner is like 59 bucks. That's not bad. 60 bucks. I don't know if this one's that good. It's got 147 reviews on Amazon, though, and it's four and a half stars. 50 bucks, 100 bucks, 70 bucks, 61. They're around there. They're less than $100, between $50 and $100 for a single burner. But, you know, if you're in a small apartment, that's probably good enough, right? It's really just a- When I move to the- Cooting Max has a dual one. So you have two burners on one- Two burners and a single pan. I'm sorry. You were saying? When I moved to this apartment that I live in now, it was the first time in years that there wasn't just a microwave above the oven that was part of the kitchen. And so I started to see, when I was doing some research on microwave ovens, like, oh, induction ovens and micro- You know, I was like, what? It was the first time that I had really thought about what that meant. And I realized it's actually quite prolific with somewhat low-cost portable items. Yeah. I mean, I would have some new cookware because I have some copper bottom pots that it wouldn't work. Inductive won't work with that. So that's the thing to think about. Like, you probably want iron. If not iron, at least stainless steel. Yeah. And it has to be thick. And you can't have copper? Copper won't work. Luminum won't work. Because, yeah, see, that's interesting. It needs to have ferrite in it. Like, it needs to have iron. So if you could stick a magnet to the bottom of it, generally, it'll work. But it also needs to be thick enough to cause the resistance or it won't heat up. So super thin stainless steel won't work. So like a thick, bottomy, like just get a little cast iron skillet. Then just cook on some steak, maybe not steaks. It should have cast iron vegan recipes. So I don't know if you all had talked about this before I signed on in the pre-show. I'm going to guess not. No, we didn't. I know what you're going to say. How do you know? I'm guessing. I have a very good guess. Go for it. You have a very good guess. It's probably because, yeah, we read each other's minds at this point. How sad are we about Luke Perry? Exactly. Exactly what I thought. Yes, very. I never watched, we were talking about this in our prep meeting. I never watched 90210, but I knew exactly who he was. I knew exactly what 90210 was. Dylan McKay was like, it wasn't so much just that he was like a heartthrob. It was just, it was a cultural thing. In the early mid-90s. That's right. When Eileen got her job at Fandango, they were close to us, but when they moved, they moved to some Beverly Hills offices in 90210, and we were both like, oh, no, that's a funny word. So yeah, I mean, he also is a great character on Riverdale, which my wife watches. And I've seen a few episodes and it's a pretty good show, and he's great in it or was great. So it's not like, oh, whatever happened to him. Like he was still working doing good stuff. I know. I, Roger, I don't know. I don't know about you. I mean, 90210 was, I'm not going to sit here and be like, it was the most amazing show ever because it was a, it was mostly a horrible show. But it was, it was, I don't know, Thursday nights at 8 on 4. It was, it was definitely targeted. You just, you just watched it. It was targeted toward 20 and early 30-something. So it was very much, I remember when it came out, because my English teacher and my sophomore year in high school would never shut up about it. Every, every time she would mention something about it like that week's episode, like after it happened, like, did you blah, blah, blah. And she would also, I'm trying to remember her name. I remember people would go to the hole in the wall, which was one of the bars I frequented in Austin. I've been there. Yeah, Martin Sargent. Oh, yeah, yeah. The first time I ever went, yeah, good place. We would go to the hole in the wall and people would be gathered around the bar watching 90210. All I remember is what's your name was like the oldest member, even though she was in high school. She was like, Gabrielle Carteras. Yeah. Yeah, she was like in her 30s playing at high school or in people were like, wow, that's crazy, even though that happens all the time. I guess it was, I was a junior in college when it premiered. So the, the, the cast of 90210, you know, as you, as they progressed through high school, they were class of 93. I was class of 94. So it was like, it was as close as you could get to my, my, my, my, my age and my life. You're like, I'm in school with them. Yeah, but also being like, oh, they live in Beverly Hills. Like I lived in some basketball. Like nothing about my existence was anything like the show. Yeah. So it was, it was, I don't even want to say it was aspirational really, but it was just, yeah, it was like, they're my age. They're, you know, they're, they're like us, but totally different. Mom, if you had had me in Beverly Hills instead of the basketball, right, then you would have been on cocaine. I'm glad that didn't happen, mom. It was a storyline at one point. Yeah, with one of the kids. But yeah, I, I, man, I love that show. Ron Richards, um, friend of, friend of ours, friend of many. Ron Richards maybe loves 90210 more than me, but that's probably the only person who does. Well, and by the way, just, just to acknowledge, Beatmaster wrote no prodigy fans in the audience. I mean, we are not. Oh yeah. Are you kidding me? It's, it's, we're not trying to exclude, uh, the fact that the lead singer prodigy died either. No, in fact, um, that. It's not a zero sentence. No, it's been a strange day of, strange death day. Um, that, uh, a friend of mine who, Prodigy was so fat of the land was not the first, the Prodigy album, but the one that really got mainstream appeal, at least in the US. And that was in 1997. And so I was thinking today about like, wow, where was I in 1997? Cause I loved that album. That's a very aggro album. I mean, you, you either, you're either like that kind of like crazy, like psycho EDM or you don't, I did. And, um, and I, I had a lot of friends who were just like, Sarah, I can't listen to this stuff. It's just, it's insane. Um, I loved that album. And I don't know. I mean, to this day, like I played it this morning when I was, when I was looking at topics for the show, just like, this is still really good. Like I loved it, but it did sound like, um, he had, uh, some, um, some demons over the years as many, uh, musical geniuses do. So yeah, uh, they all, you know, okay. And I know I, I sometimes rail against what I'm about to do because it's not real. It's pattern recognition. Uh, the people, people are dying all the time. It doesn't come in threes, but who's going to be the third one that people decide to group in as it always comes in threes, right? That's, it does. It doesn't. What happens is one or two very prominent people die. And so the next person that's even close, they get like, see, it came in threes. There we go. Yeah. It was the trilogy again. Um, well, I, I hope it's no one. Yeah. I hope this, this breaks the confirmation bias. More or less, you know, although I think, I mean, Luke Perry and let me, let me search TMZ. Everybody will know. The problem with that is there's always people dying. So you're basically saying no one who's dying is famous enough right now. Well, right. Exactly. It's kind of like, yeah, the in memoriam where like someone doesn't get as much claps as like the next person where you're like, whoa, I mean, yeah, it's all equally deceased. It's all the same. Very nice. It always feels weird on the in memoriams at those award shows when the audience busts out in applause because A, it's like, oh, so this person dying is a bigger deal than the others. B, well, you're a plot. Right. The whole thing. And I've also, I've noticed that in award shows, they, they take down the applause completely because like people can't, they can't handle themselves. And it just, it always sort of seems like in poor form. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm sorry to end our video on that note, but it's just been one of those days. And, you know, they happen. Thanks for, for being there for us today, though, video folks, audio folks, stick around. There's more to come.