 What's up everybody once again is brand man Sean as you know and today I got a special guest for you guys I'm with Marcus Scott Marcus is an up-and-coming rapper based out of New York he's only been in the game for about three years and moving pretty solo I'm as a lot of you guys might be able to relate to as you guys are seeing me interview people on various levels Marcus Scott is pretty much at the very beginning but he's been making some interesting moves and I think it's a lot you guys could really learn from him or just see yourself in and what he's doing some of you guys are a little bit earlier on didn't but I think there'll be a lot you can gain so let's get this thing going on first of all Marcus what's up man what's up man what's up thanks for having me man appreciate oh hey no problem man first I know you said you've been rapping for about three years and let's well taking rap seriously for about three years was your right so describe to everybody like what's what's each phase like that year one year two year three what was your focus at um basically is um when you first start out like every artist you're just trying to get to music and out music out to the world you know you got these big you know expectations that you know blow up sooner or you know just waiting for the music to hit the right ears and you know that's you know that happens to you know a rare group of people but you know that's not the whole truth you know it's a lot of trial and error within the first year you know I brought my own mic laptop I was recording music on my house I was trying to learn on YouTube my mixes wasn't the best but you know I was understanding that you know the basics of what it what you need to you know mix and record your music so the first year was more about the learning stage and stuff um the second year was basically building off my mistakes that I made on my first year so when I dropped my first project and stuff um during my second year it was more like okay you got to start learning the business point of it because I don't got a manager I don't have um a big team back in me and stuff you know I was working a regular job like regular 95 job at a salad restaurant salad bar and that was what I was using to um invest in my music and stuff my studio time paying for beats um I was actually using the money at that moment for marketing promoting and stuff but you know got my website up and running um this is all like within my first two years and stuff getting their own distributors and then now I'm always making my third year I'm more knowledgeable and stuff I you know I did research I purchased you know courses I read books um you know watching Sean's videos and stuff you know it's a lot of um learning in this stage right now because I don't have I don't have a label back in me and you know I made a lot of connections and you know it's about learning networking and I think that goes deeper than you know recording the actual music but we're gonna talk about definitely um learning connections I know you purchased a master music networking guide and you said that you got a lot of like just big gains from using that as well we definitely gonna talk about that at some point um and because now I mean you had a point where you have some pretty strong connections uh right so before we get there I think I remember one time you might have emailed me and you were talking about having the potential for a show with a promoter right at a big venue yeah yeah I remember that what was that situation and how did that work out um let me see I don't even let me see I'm trying to remember because I think majority of the shows um in the city are like pay to play and stuff and you know I was doing my research and stuff and I'm like you know is it worth it because like there is a potential chance that um you know you could pay to perform and stuff and you know gain some fans but you got to really outweigh the options like are you an opener or are you a headliner because if you're a headliner you already have fans coming to towards you you're already expected to bring people and no depending on where you're at like if you're a traveling artist and stuff the openers are just there to like you know fill in the spots or bringing fans to for artists that's not like um native to the city so you know I thought about it I'm like you know I don't think the price of omission is you know worth performing at this point and I was being realistic with myself I'm like you know I really got you know 25 people that's gonna come down to see me perform for 10 minutes and then there's a whole lineup of other people you know what I'm saying like is if I really given my fans a bang for the buck yeah so I'm like you know what um I'm probably just gonna decline on that I did pick up a show like later on in off um December that just passed in 2017 yeah and you know that one I could say that that show um that show was more um more of like a um I could say that that show was more of uh like it was more of an eye opener because it was like uh eight there was an awesome labels there and stuff and um but you know it's you know the show scene for me I think it's more centered around if you have a you know fan base and if you're headlining more all right so that's an important thing I mean especially I mean you broke down the New York scene in terms of like the headlines and the openers but that's pretty um you know it's pretty parallel to most of the cities right we talked about just actually backing up from shows you actually had the opportunity a lot of artists um that are looking for those opportunities to perform and open for people but you're saying for you personally you said no it's not worth it I'm gonna just back off until I build my natural fan base a little bit stronger right okay cool that's I mean that self-awareness is a huge thing man um just to know when you're not ready for a certain situation because once you get out there you're out there and then that's your brand we think about the brand with the actual artists a lot or the consumers right but we don't talk about that professional brand enough because you work with those promoters a few times and you're not holding that weight they were they will ice you out for yeah that's right at the end of the day they're trying to make that money and you're trying to perform and you know you gotta think as you know manager and stuff like is this a good look for me is this gonna benefit me in the long run cool cool so definitely stay building on that situation um with those people until you're ready um but look matter of fact let's go ahead and skip into um how you use the master music networking guide I would love to hear um you told me some like compelling stories on that before um but tell me um just some of the things that you gain for those of you guys who don't know I dropped a book called master music networking guide it's not really a book it's videos it's interactive um back in January 2018 this is like eight months later nine months later that same year but uh Marcus um purchase it and he's been sharing some things that he's been doing with it for some time now so like tell me tell everybody else how you were able to use it and what you've been able to learn so um basically there was a lot of you know interesting things that I never thought of you know how to utilize social media platform especially on instagram so that's what I'm mainly at all the time um it was a particular section where it was saying how to get inside the inner circles of the people that you're trying to target so let's just say you're trying to get inside I don't know Drake's circle instead of you contacting Drake the person that's not gonna answer you go you go around to the people that he hangs around so basically um his friends or whatever that he hangs around they're more likely to listen Drake is more likely to listen to his friends and trust their you know judgment and agreements and stuff because you know they already got that bond now if you could make a connection with one of Drake's friends or engineer or you know someone that has a connection to him you know it might not lead you all the way to Drake but it can get you into that circle and you know most of the time that's all you need is a break or you know just a little connection just to get you get your foot in the door right right I mean that's yeah that's definitely the concept in general I know I get a little bit more specific on how to do those things in the guy but um I know you said you used it a few times he gives him a few like just straight-up stories that you usually yourself with right so um there was one time actually um I was in college right uh yeah I'm in my college classroom and there was this guy and you know people usually stand out a lot and stuff you could tell about like the way they carry themselves and this guy he was sitting in the back of the class he always had some designer clothes on and stuff or whatever like I always noticed him but I'm like okay I don't know he got a little a little too much money to be in you know college or whatever and stuff right so okay um one day I just went up to him like yeah let me ask you a question um like I don't know him so I just made up off the top of my head I'm like yo do you do photography or like I think I've seen you before in Soho or something like that so like I didn't know him just to start the conversation up and he was like oh yeah you know I'll be down there once in a while this am a third so um I got his instagram and stuff and he was following me and stuff and I didn't tell him that I make music and stuff so he was like noticing you know me doing the music stuff and to this day I still don't know what he does but he has a connection he got a connection in the industry because you know he's at these label events and stuff like that um you know we even talked about you know trying to get a label meeting and stuff or whatever but you know that's something that I decided to put off to the side and stuff because I feel like I'm not ready to you know answer you know label meeting with public or something like that okay so yeah but um I mean that's not necessarily like about the you know section we was talking about but I was something that I feel like you know you make observations but um I think the biggest break that I have from using the dollars um meeting um Mama Kim from Love and Hip Hop in New York yeah so the way that happened was um I was using that you know the section that you said like you know the um look look on the you know click on the you know how people tag celebrities tag people or they tag venues and stuff like that yeah so I was on the explore page I seen the artist um you know I clicked it like you know how you click the photo that shows all the people that's tagged and it said DTF radio and it said the person I was the host of that um station and stuff so I clicked you know the host and stuff and I don't I just decided to reach out like hey um you know I wanted to know is it possible I can get a you know interview on the station and stuff you know okay I know this that you look for artists and stuff she was like oh yeah you know um you'll send me your music send some information some photos and stuff and I'll get back to you so I dealt with that and um we set up the interview and I didn't know anything going into this I just knew who who the host was and I was going to this radio station over in Brooklyn I go there and stuff I go to with my boy and my girlfriend and I don't watch the love of hip hop so I didn't I wouldn't know who's these people you know who's the you know the people on the show so the person I was you know DJing for the set and stuff was um Mama Kim and I didn't know that until my girl told me and stuff and you know I was hoping you know doing a regular radio interview and there was you know surprised by how I carry myself because I don't got a manager and stuff you know I I'm telling them all this stuff and they're like you're doing all this by yourself you got distributors you know you got your website up and running you got all this by yourself so we was talking afterwards and stuff um you know she really liked my movement and stuff and what I stuff for and you know she gave me a phone number and say you know that she DJs usually at some clubs downtown once in a while she was like here um call me um hit me up if you need anything um yeah you know I want to play your music at some of the clubs that are you know DJ and stuff so when you get something and you mix it and that's you know send it over to me and stuff and you know I got her phone number personally um there was another time DJ Bobby Trentz from Hot 97 but before you move on yeah into like any other stories you might have used it with I want to bring clarity for anybody that's listening on what you did so first of all you said I think I know the method you're talking about when I it's just one of like I don't know like a hundred things I got in there but right you're talking about basically like stalking people's pages paying attention to when they tag somebody or mention somebody that might not necessarily nickname themselves right one you already know there's some kind of relationship there right so that's that whole don't go for the big person go for a smaller person but also that's letting you know like this person is someone that they got a relationship with so you right like I know I've literally seen like tag somebody before a picture and I went to the follow the page it was this chick who had I don't know like 900 followers or whatever her page was on private and stuff so I didn't like right on but but it was clear that there was like a legit relationship not even just like some fake industry we taking pictures for pictures but there's a real connection there so you somebody who was the person who tagged the tag um I'm really not sure because like it was on the explore page and it was like you know how they tell it to people you follow so I follow a couple people from the city got it got it got it so yeah somebody big tag this station or something like that you follow the station connected yeah I don't even think it was a big artist it was like an upcoming artist and stuff okay no I just yeah click the thing and I was like oh that's the person I hosted let me click her look at him like oh all right so now I'm a you know head her up to see if I can do the interview yeah man that's one of the best methods though just just straight up figure out like what else is out there because you never know everybody else you start cool everybody and whoever everybody else is mentioning okay cool cool um I heard a few other little things in there bro I want to skip on because you were headed to another story uh you said DJ Bobby Trance what happened with him yeah so um I can you could probably say this is part of the same method and stuff just um not like on social media um jimmy jazz if you guys are you know where the clothing store they had like a little um you would say promotion I guess for um adidas and stuff and it was like an open mic thing so you submit your song and you know it gives you a chance to perform at SOBs and stuff downtown was it SOBs it was one of those I think it was I'm pretty sure it was SOBs um yeah so long story short I didn't get um chosen and stuff but you know I'm not a soapy person it's you know still wanted to go out to see you know what was you know the um you know what was the hype about and stuff so I pulled up and stuff and you know Ebro's there from high 97 the whole um high 97 cast was there Ebro, Laura Stiles, Rosenberg, um DJ Castleman and they're the judges so you know the show goes on and stuff and whatever and I'm talking and mangling with people and stuff now I noticed there's a DJ that's DJ in between the sets and stuff with the performers um that was DJ Bobby Churns after the whole event everyone is trying to run towards Ebro and Laura Stiles and stuff trying to like upcoming artists you know trying to pitch their music like oh listen to my song big fan you know everyone's going to the people that's um more known and what I decided to do I'm not gonna waste my time you know going to them because they probably get people like that every day you know what I'm saying so it's nothing it's nothing new to them so they you know hey what's up keep it moving Bobby Churns um you know not a lot of people was going over them and stuff I'm going over them and I didn't what I did I didn't bring up my music I didn't tell him I was an artist I say hey what's up Bobby Churns yo you know you was rocking those sets in between you know the performances and stuff you know I really respect what you're doing high 97 which you've been doing for the past few years I wanted to know by any chance um do you happen and you know need to enter like you know um advertising and marketing because I was in school I was doing um you know communication and stuff so I'm not around the social media ads yeah I know how to um you know analyze analytics and stuff and I could tell you like who's your target audience or why is your post not you know reaching the people that you want to reach and stuff so that's what I was you know offering to him and stuff and he was like you know what I like you know I like I like what you're saying and stuff because you know there was somebody else before me and they trying to you know ship them the music and stuff or whatever and it catches their attention when you're not bringing up music when you're invested in what they're doing you they don't want to hear about you they want to hear about you know them and what could benefit them so he actually like what I was saying and stuff um he was like you know you know do you have any connections in music I'm like yeah you know I made music here and that stuff or whatever he was like dope dope he was like here take my number down send me a text and stuff and you know I can see if we can get you into like an internship and stuff um so I followed up I followed up with him he responded back so I'm like all right this is real phone number I got DJ Bobby Trends phone number you know in my phone that's a connection made right there and stuff um you got two real phone numbers you got mama cams number yeah from this and then you got Bobby Trends phone number just from hey how you been moving but basically man just being genuine um not being you know too thirsty to ship up in music and stuff because you know they're DJs and they're people in the music industry they already run across people like me and you you know a thousand times a day and stuff so last anyone here I mean I'm talking to them you know the people that's watching but like I feel you yeah but yeah you know all right well like so what I really love about what you did man is as you said not only did you not immediately leave with a man listen to my music because they're gonna hear a lot of times people hear all the time I hear it all the time right I can't I can't take it off but not only but you added real value so it's a section and I remember in the guy talking about like not don't just say maybe if you need anything like I got you because nobody's gonna remember that people tell me that if I need anything like they got me I can't do that honestly like all right if you do photography be specific then say I got I could I'm good I got some photography for you that I could do I know some good photographers or I got some so I got whatever all right so not only that so you said did you not just like say anything you also because like where they're gonna get from you they don't know you for one they don't know the value you have to offer and two like if they're they're typically gonna be higher up than you so like right I'm looking at you like that right they're trying to get higher than them but even bigger than that is you added real value like and the value kind of how I talk about in the guy is what they actually need not what you want to give them right like people have offered me music for an intro far back at a time that I was never going to do an intro I didn't have I know I have a little intro now my videos and it was no anybody I didn't get a chance to listen to people's videos I'm music for an intro but if it's not something I'm looking for at the time then I couldn't I didn't I couldn't do it yeah it was no value to you at the right exactly but then hey oh can I edit your videos oh shit I need a video editor you know what I'm saying right so and hey the end the video I I have right now like the video editors I have right now and that intro I have right now at the video editor just leave his own music into the intros okay cool whatever I don't care as long as you edit my videos you good I'm saying so right like that kind of stuff gives you opportunities about to buy the real value you said hey something specific intern all right like whatever kind of intro you need just to get the ball rolling and then who knows evolving too man so I think that's really dope how you've been moving man but just to stay on Bobby transfer a little bit have you guys got a chance to follow up well what's that looking like yeah so what happened with that um usually with the radio stations and the internships like this is also like for all radio stations and stuff um they have to you know get um you have to send them to a certain department in high 97 that reaches out to the school you got to be in the certain uh what is it um program have a term yeah like journalism or something along those lines so yeah it's like a lot of conflictions and stuff or whatever but you know even if you know it ain't go through all the way and stuff it's like you know just knowing that I got his you know phone number there and stuff and you know if I wanted to you know I could just do you know pick up on the um the strategy you showed about you know creeping and stuff um you know uh check the fly check his page see if he's doing any um clubs or parties and stuff shoot out today try to link up with him sometime during the night and be like hey um what's up Bobby Chen I don't know if you remember me um you know we spoke um a couple months ago at the Deeders and Mad so bees and stuff um I don't know are you still interested in you know this dad and third you know what I'm saying and you can show them that you know that we spoke you got his phone number and stuff and you know when you actually showing up and these people see your face more and you know genuine and you're not just shoving the music down it comes off more genuine they see you more as a person instead of uh you know I don't know a number or you know a person that 100% bro right and you need to build that long-term relationship so I'll just tell you I definitely encourage that you uh actually follow up on that strategy and keep popping up show and face let that build and I know the radio station situation didn't work out but I know you got a lot of things you probably try to move outside the radio station like so you can help your internship type thing just there and stay building them relationships for the long term because that's only going to bring you new relationships that are valuable so I definitely say follow up with that okay cool I mean anything else man I know you as an artist right you say that you move by yourself you don't have a manager at all um and that can be tough all right um uh with that being said have you thought about getting a manager yet and it's so why and if not why not um well right now like you know if someone came up to me and they said they wanted to manage me and stuff or whatever you know depending on who the person is because you know I don't think I would let any random person just manage me and stuff um like someone I've been speaking to someone that you know knows how how I work and stuff you know I might just take up on the opportunity and stuff but I mean right now I'm in no rush I mean if it happens it happens and stuff I'm down to do it and stuff and it's just um like I feel like I have a lot to manage right now and stuff because like you know you know yeah just you know marketing and stuff I got a project coming out and stuff um music videos promo videos I got working with like I'm playing all hats right now and stuff so yeah it does get tiring and stressful and stuff trying to keep up with emails and stuff but I mean um it actually teaches you a lot for the most part so you know for the artist that's out there that's wondering if I should get a manager um I would just say just manage yourself right now because when you learn the business side of it um in the future you won't get jerked by a manager you know I'm saying dude you won't get you know tricked to sign in a contract or you know the situation to happen with future how it's old manager or old label had him still on the contract and future over millions of dollars you don't want to be an after dick you know I'm saying so um learn how to you know work around learn how to manage yourself and that's basically I could say you know managers is not for everyone but sooner or later you're gonna need one okay cool well in that case and I I definitely agree everybody should learn as much as business as they can and I know as much as they can at the beginning before they really look into a manager type situation but right what does your team look like then all right do you have some producers you got some graphic designers on your squad like what are you doing are you completely solo yeah so um let me see necessarily like um the most like the most I have for a team is like I just have dedicated people without like my go-to people so like when I go to record music I don't go a whole bunch of studios and go through a whole bunch of engineers because then my sound will sound inconsistent and I want my sound to sound consistent throughout the whole project because you know people got different styles people mix differently and I don't want it to sound all over the place so I have one engineer that I go to for all my music to record um I have a director that I go to like I only go to him because he knows my vision he knows my music we got a good relationship so you know we hit it off easy and stuff and bounce ideas back and forth without no problems um let me see for the photographers you know I'll circle around probably like a few and stuff I'm trying to expand that and stuff you know get some you know different ideas because you know people got different creative processes all right so basically right now your team is kind of like contracted or you work with people on projects but you don't really have a team that's like around 24 seven or okay cool I mean that's that's just a part of starting the game off you know unless you just happen to have some friends that are already moving in the same direction and they do completely different things well right well tell me this man because right I'm an artist and I'm watching you in this interview right or I'm just and or just somebody who comes across you first thing I'm gonna wonder is is your music good right so there's a lot of different people who love dip a lot of different styles but I want to judge it this way you've worked with mama well you've talked with mama Kim and I like you guys I think you said you've talked to her like multiple times right yeah like she tried to give me um to go to like an event like on the yacht it's like a yacht party and stuff or other people from you know the cast and stuff and you know that that didn't happen because like she was trying to get me in but you had to be like a certain age and stuff I'm like I just turned 20 like like a few weeks ago and stuff so I'm like right yeah so this guy got you ahead of the game bro okay so tell me but has she played any of your music anywhere yet like um what is it I'm finishing on my project right now as soon as it gets like makes it mastered I'm sending the old stuff but she said let her know when something like you know as soon as I get to finish copies all right so what if people who's has she heard any of your music or anybody heard any of your music that they've actually played it because the point I'm trying to get across is this connection is one part of the game and this is something that's totally totally important but at the end of the day you got to back it up with a good product so right what's the response that you're getting from your music and even these people that you're connecting with do they feel like you're at a point where they would actually play your music or play with somebody else yeah definitely so um like when I showed mama came my music she was surprised because it was like when she heard me rapping and stuff like I I'm from New York and I have like a weird people say I sound like Kid Inc or they I sound like Tiger or I even heard someone say I sound like on one song sound like Low Skies but basically I have like a you know a swag rap type of stuff and then yeah it kind of when I showed um mama came one of my songs and stuff that had singing in it she was like whoa like you know you could do both like it kind of caught off guard a little okay and um like if I show people my old music and stuff and compare it to my new music people would not expect to change this stuff a lot of people's more receptive to my music now because I'm making music that I feel comfortable with I'm not trying to be too many I'm like I'm not trying to be another artist I'm you know I'm focusing on the style that fits me um so your old music is trash bro nah I mean well matter of fact yeah I mean I mean yeah I mean if when you start over recording yourself every when you listen to my new shows it was like a whole 360 it's good to have that progress man unless you start off and you got like a whole like label team and they're guiding you and executive producing part that just come out the gate with a project DIY and it not sound right yeah and that's another thing you know when you first put your first song it was not gonna be sounding like some high quality dev jam release and stuff you know okay especially cool cool well I will some what's the biggest I want to leave them with this man what's one of the biggest things that you feel like you've learned throughout this process um just in general and then after that I got one final question that's more specific to networking all right so um one thing let me see true that I learned through the whole process I would just say um I think knowledge is the key to this point you know at in this day and age of music it's not all about if you can rap if you can make catchy melodies and stuff like that's a cool little add-on and stuff but if you don't have the knowledge and stuff because you know there's people that you know blow up off of on like little audience stuff you know and that's a one in a million chance now for the other you know 999,000 people and stuff or whatever like you have to put in the work and it's not all about the music sometimes about connections about how much you know um it's about do you know who your audience is you know I'm saying if you make trap music I don't think you want to tailor your trap music to r&b singers I mean not r&b singers r&b fans or fans of Chris Brown you know I'm saying yeah it's not going to convert over and then you're going to waste your money in the process so it's about knowledge research um analyzing your analytics if you don't got a business profile on Instagram you're definitely behind in the game you need to you need to convert to Instagram over to the business page because that's where is that right now yeah that's that's a whole another conversation and I will make sure I do do something covering that matter of fact I mentioned that before and speaking to Instagram real quick too how many subscribers not followers do you probably have at the time so they can know right so um right now I got 8,000 plus and stuff um no solely approaching um real followers yeah all real followers um I'm solely approaching 10k so basically what I all right so what I did um first I was trying to do it the regular way you know just hoping that people landed on my page this is like back in the days of stuff before um Instagram started inserting different algorithms and stuff so over time and stuff um they switch over they switch up the algorithms and they make it to the point where they don't even put your posts and like it's weird because they switch it up all the time yeah switch it up all the time so um I hired a service I think I we spoke you know before about the last time um yeah I had a service to manage my Instagram and what they do I told them my target audience because I got the analytics so I know who the target so I'm like all right I need you guys to target this age range I need you to target uh males make sure you target females and stuff um I need you to target this demographic and stuff um this location and stuff because where majority of my fans are which is New York that's that's what this is what the analytics analytics is telling me so and you know you got ATL coming in second you got you know LA coming in third and then the other cities and slats or whatever I focus on the main ones and then that's what they target and you know um yeah I've been using the service and you know the works and stuff I get you know full blown analytics and stuff I can email them and um they give me analytics themselves and stuff you're not engaging me what happened you have pretty good engagement I don't have my phone I'm gonna check real quick yeah so um yeah every time like I got you know posts that you know they get a whole bunch of likes but it's not even about the likes and stuff um engagement is basically like do they interact with your um your links on your bio and do they um true like how many people land on your page and stuff and you know um that's another thing I think you guys all should get like a website so that way you guys keep track of how many people pitch a link and stuff so like just people that click my links and stuff um it's you know honestly speak I think I could do better on um Instagram and stuff I'm like I'm gonna be more consistent and stuff but you know when you play in a whole bunch of roads it's like right it's hard for specializing you actually a lot of stuff does start to fall through the cracks so right I'm gonna let everybody else reach out to you um for the that service and you can give them your opinion on the service your testimony or service whatever they want to know more information about that what's your Instagram um my instagram is marcus underscore scott that's m a r k us underscore sco t2 okay but and final question now um because I end up getting sidetracked real real quick but final question in terms of networking man um I know you use the guide and one of the primary things you've used is hey just really engaging with people who aren't necessarily the person but they're connected what would you say two-part question one what would you say the value has been for you in getting that guide um like was it worth it and what would you say that the value that you got of it is um yeah I would say it's totally worth it you know I'm saying um one part of actually being in the music business especially independence investing in yourself and you know investing a couple dollars into a course and stuff it's like it's a no-brainer you know I'm saying and another thing is not gonna work unless you put the work in you're not gonna read it and it's not gonna happen as soon as you read it it's not gonna happen overnight you got to put the work in you know I'm saying you can't just you got to utilize it like the same way you'll utilize you know your little FL studio as soon as you buy you got to utilize your you know your courses and your tools and stuff so you know I would definitely say that work and I would just say um the networking and the you said it does like one part of the guide that I like or that I found that was useful um yeah what was the biggest like just value in general that you got from it I would just say um how to like just how to network and how to maneuver your way around like especially the um part about finessin like about the kid that finessed his way into the um what was it a complex complex time I think yeah that was pretty interesting so I was like you know I never thought of that you know yeah that's sometimes that's what you got to do to get you know to get to where you got to go and you know yeah it's not everyone with that you know you you got to be genuine but at the same time you know it's not all about the music it's about who you know how you are as a person and you know this industry is small and this room for everyone you just got to you know be grounded yeah I forgot I included that um complex time story in there yeah that's that's a super it's just so many gyms in that interview alone right or perfect man I'm really glad that you have actually used the stuff I mean networking like when you have to literally do the stuff there's no sitting down read it um right not just networking so many other tips whether it's just on the channel that's free here or somebody else's youtube channel or wherever you're getting this information from just straightforward if you don't actually implement it you're not going to be like you're not going to get the progress from it I realize I spend a lot of time watching videos and hey man give a view on my channel hey buy the guy like do all that stuff but if you're not going to implement it you will be wasting your time like it just is and you got to stick with some of the things don't necessarily believe everybody taking information from anybody but at least find a few trustworthy few and um and you know and actually put in that work and make those real connections a real life um so with that being said man once again appreciate you Marcus Scott no problem that's what I know anymore about the music my master music networking guide the finesse guide to making connections in the music industry I will put a link in the description below probably put it somewhere on top of the screen um as well uh but other and then other than that reach out to Marcus Scott again at Marcus underscore Scott on instagram if you have any information about his come up you want to ask him some questions about the guide or whatever um he actually has he offered this interview up to me I didn't like solicit him for anything um and he's but I but and I only accepted it because I had been hearing about like he had been emailing me for a while you guys yeah we've been we've been ever since he started the youtube channel we've been yeah and I read my emails there's a lot of people that I do talk I can't like be a one-on-one consultant 100 with everybody but if you guys send me emails I answer them when I come and I and I remember people um so make sure you email me as well if you if you got some questions and you just want to keep me updated with where you are and yeah I seen his growth I knew he was serious he wasn't bs of just to keep that in mind you guys so he is a good resource from whether he's failed or succeeded in some things he only has a ak followers right now but he's made some real connections um he can give you his perspective of the journey just another um good resource and trustworthy source to mess with us he's introduced me um he's even introduced me to a few technologies or whatever that I checked into or services just to see if I was going to introduce it to you guys um yeah um and if I do that'll be on a channel of course but 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