 The recent affiliation of a factional group in the all-progressive Congress APC, Lagus for Lagus movement, with the People's Democratic Party, PDP, has been greeted with criticism. The Lagus for Lagus group led by Olagedead Deyrran had announced its decision to join the People's Democratic Party in the state over irreconcilable differences. Reacting, the APC publicity secretary chair Olagedead Deyrran stated that it was the constitutional right of the leaders and members of the group to associate themselves with any party of their choice without sparing a thought for morals, principles, antecedents, perennial history of political defeats and inconsistency in their selling point. Meanwhile, Olagedead Deyrran stated that the decision to join the People's Democratic Party was birthed out of a need to choose between subjecting the aspirations to make Lagus walk for all as again subjecting it to the mood of an individual. The first person who was joining us to discuss this is Sheggil Basharun. Thank you very much Mr Basharun for joining us. I am going to start by asking you again because Jida Daeddi-Raw is not here, but I would like to find out why Lagus for Lagus, which seemed to be a very vocal part of the all-progressive Congress, decided to dump the APC for the PDP. Mae'r rhaid i eich eu gwybodaeth i wych addysg yn ni Gweithgareddhaf, mae pwysig dros y byddwch Cymru, mwyn gweld â'r pwysig ar gyfer rhai newydd i'r rhaid i eich gweithrethau mewn gweithrethau. Fe yw'r bwysig yn ni'n rhaid i'r cyfrifio eich cyfrifio? Mae'r cyfrifio eich cyfrifio eich cyfrifio eich cyfrifio ar gyfer i'r cyfrifio i ni Gweithrethau. But we're going to start a movement, a political movement, in which if we have a sizable number of people in a political party using a platform, which ABC was a platform we wanted to test to see that we can use this platform with our movement and bring about changes so we can force the Godfellas in our party to say that this is the voice of reason. We have the majority and the majority of Lagosian and some party members are telling you this is the direction we want to go. I'm more curious. I'm sorry to speak over you. Can I just come in quickly? You made an express decision to create a platform that would grow the number of young people that would be able to make a change in political parties. You started with the APC. So why take those people in that political party to another political party if this is your plan to spread in different political parties? If you really sincerely wanted to get more people into political parties, why didn't you stay in the APC and then decide to start another movement within the PDP? It doesn't work like that. You see, first and foremost, how a party in the APC is dying. If you don't know that, I'm giving you express information because the crisis within a party has persistently been growing over the years and there has been consistent warning that if this crisis had not resolved, the party would implode from within. Now you are aware that we have followed all the processes, all the democratic processes within the party to ensure that we tell our party to hold the line because it is within the party system that we can train ourselves to be democratically before we go out to govern the nation. So what we do within our political system is what we do in a magnified way when we get to power. So what we have done within APC was to try and teach them how to be democratic and we followed that process and then we saw that the infighting, the inconsistency of taking the short court and telling people to go to peace. And you saw what happened, remember what happened with Oshomale, when was the national chairman and in those days. So we did all of these things to make sure we followed all the processes within the party. Now, we now saw, we made the decision that if this party is not able to decide when to have a convention to resolve many of the problems we've had that everybody is going to think with this APC. I'm still pretty curious, I'm still pretty curious as to why this movement that you have made reference to was not an apolitical movement. That way you can push these people into the different political process because this seems like something that a person started for personal ambition. No, no, no, I understand. I totally understand. Just hold on. Just hold your thought. Just hold on. Just hold on. I'm going to tell you why I'm asking that. I understand what Lagos for Lagos is for, but I'm saying, because you're saying you try to teach and the journey to bringing about any change whatsoever, it's not something that can be done immediately, so you will definitely get pushbacks. And if you did get a pushback, as you have said in the APC, why run away to the PDP? Does the PDP not have the same kinds of problems as the APC? We've been on this journey for almost six years, if you understand. It's been on this journey for almost six years that we've been building this platform. Now, if you're going to build a political movement, you need a political party according to Iron Neck. If you're going to be in a movement and you want to bring about changes in your country, you have to contest. You have to contest. If you're not telling me to tell people in the APC or our leader in the APC that this is what they should do. What we have done within our movement is we are telling negotiations because we are tired of the same of the same. We have been in this struggle and we realize that we can go to a bit. I'm not going to go personal. What I want to say is Lagos for Lagos is a movement. It's a political movement that needs to use a political platform to actualize in stream now. That is why we call it, it is time and 2023 is the time for us to actualize that dream. We have told Lagosion that Lagos for Lagos is not an APC platform. It's not a PDP platform. It's a platform of all political parties and all well-wishers of change in Lagos that we want Lagosians to take Lagos away from the hands of a few that make decisions unwisely for us. So what we are doing and the decision to go to PDP was to choose a better platform used to actualize and PDP invited us and said we like what you are doing at this movement. And you are following what PDP has been doing. You just answered... Let me make this clear please. PDP goes out to go and approach people everywhere. The PDP does the same thing. What PDP did here was to see what in Lagos for Lagos movement has been doing. That this is consistency, you can see the following, you can see the crowd and they have told us that if you come to PDP which assists to ensure that you get the ticket in our party. So what we are doing is the certain individuals have invited us and say hey you are not going to get the ticket in PDP APC because your party is not democratic and your party is thinking which is not a secret which we know. We are inside out in our party. We know the problem with the party. So when they invited us, so we sat down and we asked our members and women decided that we have to use the platform and knowingly. I mean I'm not trying to defend anybody. We know political parties in Nigeria is not ideologically based. So we have to form a movement of ideology within our Lagos for Lagos movement. That ideology that stands for the massive participation in the process to make decisions for us. So that's what we do in the movement. So we are using the platform of the PDP. I would like to because we don't have too much time. I would like to quickly refer to something that the APC spokesman Olladejo said when he was responding to the move from the APC to the PDP. He said that the members of your movement were perpetually ungovernable. He also said that you leave by a certain set of rules and regulations and you do not want to heed to any other person's rules and regulations. Being that if you are in a party, even in the PDP, they will have a modus operandi. They will have certain do's and don'ts. Is it safe to say that you people were disruptors in the party and now you're taking the same movement to the PDP? What's the guarantee that you would be allowed to see the same kind of platform that you're looking for? It's very beautiful. Political parties are opening their doors because it's almost campaign season. But then again, the party spokesperson is alleging that Jiri Adedirang is angling to run for governor and that's why he's rushing to the PDP to see if he can get a ticket. But is the PDP also not having people who are interested in running for the governorship on that platform? You see we are Democrats. We've said it clearly. Nobody, you see what PDP does that is different from ABCs, they actually do cameras. They allow people to contest. And what Dr Abdulaziz Adedirang has said to PDP members and leadership is I am not coming here for special people. I have actually said, he informed them that I am coming to join your party. I have Dr Abdulaziz Adedirang that I am coming for women, he called other contestants and said I am coming to your party. So this is what the Democrats will do and it made clear to them that when I come to your party, I want us to unite to take legos. That is the primary goal that we must understand. So we need to unite and see who is best out of us. Who is best suited. How do we put our resources together to take legos? That's primary. So there's no privilege or preferences to anybody here. It's going to be a democratic process. Then you have to remember, people, what this ABC is talking about, you can listen to people like that. Because what happened is that the institutions that we are trying to build, the democratic institutions that we need in Nigeria, that it is politicians how to behave and how the kind of... what the rule of law, the paramount of what the rule of law that we must follow our guidelines and rules, that is what we are missing here. Ie fydd am gyflym am APC is that we have got appointed him that is speaking this spokesperson, was appointed. He never went to consultation. Nobody voted for him to be this spokesperson. I was voted for to be a spokesperson of my movement. He was written by his godfather. So the problem in Nigeria is wherever godfather exists, institution would not exist. Because the purpose of this institution is to make sure that no individual will be gyda phobl iawn i ddaf amrydd ar y gwaith a gwahanol yma i ddes iddo. Rwy'n credu cymryd o beth sydd ymlaen ni wedi yw IAPC a gyfarddos ar y llygwyr. yn y gallu'r darn cyfryd mewn cyfraffiaid yma. Rwy'n credu gyda'r darn cyfraffiaid yma, yn gerchel ar y llygwyr i'r gwahanol o'i ystafell. Nid yw'r darllen yma y gallai bod yn cymryd o'r ddechrau am yr unig a oedd hanfodol yn yr eu ddaf yn y lleolびddiaeth ffordd. dweud yma. Byddwn yn fwy o gwestiynau i gweithio. Felly, mae'nmateb i gathio arfer iawn i gyda'r ysgolgl. Felly, mae'n gwneud ei gweld i'r ysgolgl. Mae wedi gweld i gwasgfa trwod am gweithio, yn meddwl i'r ddim yn nhw i ddim wedi gweld i gweithio, ond oes o ran, iddyn nhw'n gwneud a'r ysgolgl wedi gweld i'r ysgolgl, os i ni, oe'r hwlad mewn cyfaint a'r yn ysgolgl sydd hidesb yn y gweld i'r eislo. Gweithio ar hyn. Y gweithio gwneud am gael gweithio yma. Rydym yn cymryd. Ymgyrch yn ysgrifennu ac yn cymryd eich cyfrannu. Ysgrifennu sy'n meddwl yna'r economiynau. Ych chi'n bod yw'r cyfrannu, yw'r unrhyw bryd, o'r unrhyw beth oeddol'r cyfrannu o'r drwy'r gweithio, o'r hyn o'r cerddau, ond rydym yn nhw'n gweithio'r cyfrannu i ddweithio'r cyfrannu gyda'i ddweud yn ddweud i ddysgu'r gwaith? Yna arddangos y bod yn ddweud. Yna e'r ddweud, y pethau'n meddwl gyda'r cyffredig yng Nghwyl Clymdiant ac esmysgar. Dysgan, wedi bod yn dweud i ddweud i bod yn digwydd mae'r ddweud o'r ddweud o Bwyth. Felly cyfor y gallwn i ddim yn ddweud, a gennym hynny'n meddwl y rhai dda'i ddweud dw i'n fathol i'r penedig, a gennym hynny'n meddwl i'r parellu ddweud nhw' demonstrate that this man is involved in this and it must teach you that this man is involved in this and the man is innocent. And if you have such an informat that they stress his mendacity then that informat himself and that's why every whistleblower or peddysmo and that's why every whistleblower or peddysmo then sure that they know the houses! They know them to their houses! If you come and give me any information you must show me where you reside, your office or something! I must trace you to something, you'll be like everything, so that if that information is questionable, I will come back for you, and that will be a very larger thing with this courage, this sensation of falsehood. Where there is a right, there is obligation, and because there is a right, because there is a right and obligation, there is also a benefit. And if there is a benefit, there must also be sanction in the context that I see. When the whistleblower is found to be culpable, what happens to him? Because based on that information that is abused, the magistrate takes an action. And of course, in order to be able to issue the warrant, the law is section 35, section 36, section 37, section 38, or what do you call it, part three of the administration of criminal justice act. The magistrate will not just act, we're not acting. The magistrate is expected to know the facts, the magistrate is expected to be furnished with who you are going to arrest. The magistrate is expected to be furnished with that information regarding the identity, the location and what you have. Because we are in a country where people in authority disregard the law. The people in authority doesn't bother about what the law says. They only bother about what they want to do and what they think they should do. Because the issue of autonomy has been the condition since 2010 or so. And I don't know why it's not been implemented yet. In fact, to the extent that the President even made an executive order, a superfluous order, trying to enforce the profession of the constitution. Yes, we are not going to add anything about it. So I think it's a confirmation of the kind of country we are. We are in a country where we don't care about law. That's why those in authority, they ignore the law when it does not suit them and they follow the law when it suits them. I don't know the reason why our governments have failed to maintain and shame these criminal elements in Nigeria. Terrorism has been striving just like Ambrusell. It's a thing that we call a good business here in Nigeria. But for me, I will hold the Nigerian intelligence network accountable because we cannot have an effective intelligence mechanism in Nigeria. I will still have this criminal and this sponsor of terrorism excelling within the conference of our countries. It's a failure on intelligence, the directorate of military intelligence and other intelligence network that's supposed to stage a state operation against these conflict entrepreneurs that are benefiting for the security situation in Nigeria. So what I would advise the government to do is to start naming and sharing those that they've arrested. The federal government has worked with the legitimate instrument of terror. The constitution has given it to the federal government. The federal government is in charge of the police. The federal government is in charge of the TMI, the NIA, the navy, the army, the police. They are in charge of the customs, the officers of the correctional centres. So the civil defence, so all the apparatus of the security are under the exclusive need of the federal government. But our constitution, in a very cheeky manner, said that the chief secretary of his office state is the governor. But the commissioner of police does not receive instructions from the governor. The GOC, so head of the GOC, we can forget the instructions. The director of SSS or directors for other military agencies or paramilitary agencies do not receive instructions from the governor. So the governor is helpless in most of the time. You can only do with local vigilantes and some other things he can put up in his takes.