 Hello and welcome to another coordinating call of DM 25 the movement for Europe featuring progressive ideas you won't hear anywhere else. For our live stream we're moving to a fortnightly schedule for now so that would explain why if you were tuning in last week, we didn't start broadcasting. Today, we're going to talk about the pandemic we're going to look back at one year of COVID-19, and we're going to look at what needs to happen to get us out of it will then discuss Europe's burning issues and how DM addresses them. So, you out there if you've got any comments questions concerns rants anything you want to say, put them in the chat on YouTube with streaming live, and I may be reading them out to the panel here between the interventions. So, let's kick it off. Thank you. Who would have thought that a stupid virus would be the catalyst that brings about Europe's consolidation and unity. Do you remember that how, back in on the 15th of January 2020, you know the European Union Council did something remarkable so they were so quick off the blocks. Two weeks before the World Health Organization declared the pandemic, they had created a committee at the level of the Commission of top epidemiologists and representatives of our public health systems to offer daily guidance. The national governments were immediately liberated from the task of procuring the bare essentials like protective gear and vaccines later on and, and testing devices and so on because the European Union. You know, took on the task of doing this. So national governments could concentrate on implementing, you know the local plans. The time, Northern Italy was hit by the pandemic where track loads of protective gear and oxygen canisters and intensive care machinery. You know, even doctors and nurses from Germany from Austria from France were congregated in Italy. I remember watching this documentary documentary news bulletin where a German doctor was asked how can he communicate in the intensive care unit in Milano where he was with Italians and he said. He was directly in the face of death. Health professionals communicate by osmosis and then wasn't it brilliant how a month later, the commission and the Eurogroup and the European Council decided to do something remarkable to instruct the European government to print its own bonds. So that has created shock absorber using those bonds and trading them for Italian bonds, German bonds, Greek bonds to create a shock absorber so that all the, the budget deficits of our countries due to the pandemic could be European eyes could be shift from the shoulders of the week states onto Europe's and how they also paid for vaccines for the whole world not just for Europe. And by swapping perpetual bonds that Pfizer and AstraZeneca and so on issued for European Central Bank perpetual bonds. That was a remarkable demonstration and you know, especially the post Brexit era. The shipments coming from Europe free vaccines to Britain and as well as to developing countries truly enhance the image of Europe. It's not April's full day. Well actually here's isn't it. None of that happened. Sadly, but all of that could have happened. A thought that may prove either a source of gloom or if we choose a springboard for change. I just described Dm 25 policies or proposals. Imagine if we were in power. When we were imagining how the new now will look like a year ago when we started with the MTV and trying to serve save ourselves from the lockdown. We had again some gloomy dystopian predictions that did come true. And I remember that in my conversation with Stefania Maurizio, who is investigative journalist and very much engaged with the colleagues and Julian Assange's case. Said that this very much resembles what happened with airports after the 911 and that this kind of surveillance and no freedom of speech movement and rebellion might be part of the society will go out of the airports and now again we are witnessing it. But since we've proven to be very good in these predictions. Imagining new reality and post capitalist future and Europe and the world with the DM in power with the DM's policies, because it's not about the power. It's not about the policies and saving our planet. We have done is DM a lot to bring our policies and policy creation and the membership activation closer to everybody. We are working extensively on reaching out to members and offering them different projects that they can engage with and so on. And from my point of view, what I would like to continue doing in the future is reaching out to not so much intellectual target group and talking about burning issues for for little people. And I think that we are also becoming better at that. So looking forward for another year and hopefully more utopian predictions. Thanks Ivana Srećko. Yeah, hi everyone at the beginning I have to disagree with both Yanis and even I don't think they are little people. And I don't think the virus is stupid. I actually think the virus is one of the smartest organisms in the universe in the way it can replicate and change and mutate and so on. I think humans are very often stupid, which you could see these days with the Suez Canal, where a full moon has to help the ship to get out of the canal in the 21st century. So, but to come to the pandemic. I love the young is another now and I think we need this kind of speculative imagination which is of course based in facts and the programs which we are creating a dm 25. And it kind of reminded me of an episode which happened in China in 1972. Richard Nixon visited you and lie and you and live was asked, what does he think about the implications of the French Revolution. And famously he answered, it's too soon to tell. Although later as those who who know the anecdote know, it was revealed that he didn't think really about the French Revolution but about 68. But I think, even today, it still makes sense to pose this kind of question when someone asked you about the COVID crisis, I think it's still soon to tell about the implications which are going to come in the next decades. But it's not too soon to tell that our predictions as even I said, came true. It's not too soon to tell that the rich got richer that the poor get poorer, that the climate got even more fucked that we are with witnessing surveillance capitalism this never ending zoomification of life remote work which will now become the new standard where employers will exploit workers even more and so on. And it's still too soon to tell in which direction it will go. So, speaking about this, another now and this kind of parallel realities which are existing all the time. I think we are still one year later at a kind of crossroads where it can go in any direction. Obviously at this moment it is going in a direction of a kind of planetary dictatorship. I would go so far. But on the other hand, we can see also big openings and cracks in the social fabric and our reality, which is a chance for progressive movements and I hope we can seize it. Of course I could go on and on about the situation in Europe. I think it's similar to the global situation in the sense that we have an internal division in the EU in the same way we have a division between the rich countries and the poor countries we can see it with the vaccines and so on. But inside of the EU we have a major division which is growing even further between the north and the south of Europe and I think in this sense, pan European nationalism, transnationalism is more important than ever. Thanks, Richard. Patricia. Yes, thank you. Well, in one year what was a worldwide pandemic crisis and pandemic crisis. I mean countries which were really in bad condition, like United States or even UK, seems to have found a way to face this pandemic in a way. Not to win yet, but to face it. Let me mention also Australia, New Zealand. Europe is completely right now in lockdown. No vaccine. We have countries like France in lockdown since months but with great numbers of that yet. So it seems a sort of Europe with not a common proposal, a common idea, not vaccine. As European, we should try to look at what have done some of our worldwide friends. I mean, we really need to outsourcing the production of vaccine much better than we have done right now. We should use technology in a better way. I really laughed when I heard about privacy. I mean, we have no privacy since we have a mobile or Google connection or whatever. So I really think this is a fault or a wrong problem at the moment, talking about privacy and the better use of technology could allow us not to chase the virus but probably try to attack it. And one other consideration I was wondering in the last days is why not to allow private structure to vaccine citizens as well and not just only the public one. Of course could be much better and allow all of us to be faster. So we really need in Europe a sort of awareness right now. Otherwise, we are really fast from a good way to win in that direction. Thank you, Patricia Rosemary. Yes, I'm afraid I have to disagree with Patricia about the UK having found a way to face the pandemic. We have one of the worst death rates from COVID in the world. And we have been far too late on everything we've done except the vaccine. And of course, we're told now by Boris Johnson that if our careful opening up a lockdown doesn't manage to cope with the disease. It will be because we're, we're having the third wave, washing up against our shores from Europe in marvelous consolidation of the Brexit story, but I'm afraid it is April the first. The fact is it was the English variant that we exported to the European continent that has been wreaking such havoc in the third way. What remains true in the UK is that we have a high rate of infection circling, and unless we can resurrect and add to our test and trace and isolate and financially support to isolate system which the government has been steadily dismantling. We will be in trouble like everybody else. Again, and there'll be more waves. I think there are really important lessons for us to be learning after a year. And I'm glad to say that communities are self organizing. This is one of the most marvelous things. They're not just trusting to the government to get them through this with their various stories about the one thing that's going to fix it. So, that's where my hope lies. I can give you some very good news, which is open democracy won its lawsuit against the government for selling NHS data to the CI backed spy tech firm Palantir without any consultation with the public. There's no discussion about what should happen to health data. So that is the start, but it's the start of a very long fight back against these huge corporations, big pharma, big data, making a lot of money out of this tragic pandemic. Well done open democracy. David. Thanks. And that's a great news. Rosemary really nice to hear. But look, I think the questions that we ask ourselves every day and the reason why we got up in the morning are precisely the same questions that people before us were asking themselves people who also struggled immensely to fight for a democratic just world people who fought to change this system that is designed to impoverish the poor and enrich and the rich just this year alone. As we saw from the progressive international video that they've just published, we've seen the greatest increase in inequality that we've had in a short period of time ever. We've had over 3 billion people without any access to healthcare. We've seen the largest loss of jobs since the Great Depression. So, you know, when establishment politicians and oligarchs and so on, you know, how when they talk about recovery, I just feel like saying, you know, how dare you talk about recovery. You tell us that everything is okay. Just just take a step back and think about it for a minute. We actually live in a world that charges people money to keep them healthy. This is madness. You know, we live in a world that charges people for their education where if you happen to be poor, tough luck, and if you are rich, no problem. You know, and somehow we have come to largely accept this reality forced to internalize all that should never exist in an open and free democratic society. This is the world after the pandemic, at least the current pandemic that we're going through. It's a world that has changed. But if you ask me for the worse, you know, it's hair raising, spine tingling, terrifyingly God awful. But this is the world that we live in. Let's be clear about it. You know, but the question is, you know, is it inevitable? Of course not. You know, nothing ever is. We have to continuously remind ourselves of what it is that we're fighting for and what it is that we're fighting against, you know, and what we're fighting for, namely the social ownership of the means of production. Now, if you go out there and you say this to most people, they'll turn around and they'll tell you to bugger off, and they'll probably be right to do so. Because while it's true that we're fighting against, you know, the legitimate use of power, the creation of capital in the hands of the few, what we at DM, you know, call socialism for the rich and austerity for the rest. We have to remember that this fight knows no borders. It requires internationalism, you know, and to succeed. However, we have to speak a language that everybody understands. It's not good enough to simply be right. We might have the ideas and our opponents might have the machine, but ideas will prevail in machines. Well, they break down usually. And our job is not to repair the machine. This is my view. Our job is to build our own unbreakable machine that is not afraid to challenge and ultimately take power. So what do we do about it? Well, we need to come together as Democrats. That's what we're doing as DM, as internationalists, what we're doing as the Progressive International to say enough is enough. It's time to stick it to the 1% who are forcing us into this long-winded depression. We need to rebel, we need to revolt, and we need to fight for our human rights as citizens. It is only through constructive disobedience that we will ever be able to transform this horrid system that I've just described into something that we can all be proud of. To finish, to do this, you watching all of us, we must go out there and join unions, pro-democracy organizations like the M25 in Europe, others around the world to raise our voices and be loud and clear in the streets and in every parliament and show them that we've had enough. Quite honestly, the days where you come for us are over. Jeff Bezos, Mike Ho, Mitsotakis, Daiselblum, Trump, Merkel, Biden, all these other, and all the rest. You know, we are coming for you. That's what I wanted to say. We need, and on the subject of problem solving as opposed to problem pointing, there is an important update to our progressive agenda, which is shortly going to be put to our members. So we're going to be discussing that it's an important to change to our policy roadmap that tackles some of the issues that you mentioned and, as you said, attempts to stick it to the 1%. Thanks, Mehan. As I was listening to David, and I will take it from where he left us, where he stopped, and I've been thinking all these days, what was the first thing we used to say when the M was formed back in 2016, that Europe will either be democratized or it will disintegrate. And we've seen that, and as Yanis said in his opening remarks that, but this pandemic has brought down and made even accelerated the speed of Europe's disintegration. And this is because, especially the EU has failed once again to provide a suitable response to this whole, the COVID-19, the whole pandemic. On the one hand, we have the common knowledge that it's a pandemic and it hits all our countries. And on the other hand, we have the small political decision making centers that instead of uniting all of us, all the people, they keep dividing them. So I find that someone may ask, isn't it a vicious circle? Yes it is, but there is a way out, and we can make it all together, one next to the other. If we all of us believe that there was no way out, trust us, we wouldn't be here today. We wouldn't try to form a new way of doing things. So, and I'll close with that, our main notions, transparency, fighting the EU oligarchy, our Green New Deal, all these tools are instruments we can all use in order to create another now, as Regco mentioned. But if we fail to inspire people, inspire each other in order to try to change things, then we will just surrender all progressive people to the hands of the vicious oligarchy. And this is something we cannot do on our own, we are not the enlightened ones, we'll do it all together. So if you feel that you won't be part of this change, if you want to be part of this crazy people that want to change Europe and make it liveable again, join us and join your hands and your voices with us. Thanks. Thank you for today. And join us at dm25.org slash join. Yes, I couldn't agree more with what you need. And I hope you all heard it very well, you know, and clearly join us because in the state, the European Union is now, I don't think it will lead us somewhere where we want to be. For a whole year now EU policy has refused to admit its mistakes only and finally to take countermeasures. And once again, the political leaders of the member states are engaging in haggling over posts and over lucrative contracts over licenses. We are deciding with a who's past that is not even hidden, who may die last. At the same time, they are forcing a situation in which doctors and nursing staff have to decide who must die first. The idea of the pandemic has brought more than openly to light the inability of the EU in its current form to act for the benefit of the people. 610,500 Corona deaths have been reported in the EU by the end of March. We do not know exactly how many people have died as a result of the EU's inhuman economics policies since the beginning of the economic crisis in 2010. But they, too, were and are victims of the wrong policies. The M25 have the task to continue to expose this incompetence in its full extent. We as the M25 will continue to put our proposals for a solution out into the world. The virtual world and to the streets. COVID or not. Thank you, Jochen. Before we move to our next segment, does anybody have any responses? Any other comments on this? No, we're all okay. Okay, Beral. Beral Madra has just joined us. Beral, would you perhaps like to give us a little update on Turkey, Istanbul Canal? Yes, of course. Thank you. Good evening. I was a little bit late because I couldn't, I don't know, was there a time change? Maybe Turkey did not change when the rest of us changed time. Sorry. Okay, today in Turkey, 40,000 cases, which is very high, and we are on the second role in the list of general COVID map. And 170 people died. And it is really, the reason is during the month of March, AKP, the ruling party, made its congresses all over Turkey. And in these congresses, there were, of course, thousands of people coming from different cities and they went back. Now, today it was in the newspapers that many AKP party persons are now positive. And on the other side, probably there is no vaccine because people, 60 years old people were invited to be vaccine. But when they went to the hospitals, it was said in this hospital there is no vaccine, go to another one. And beyond tech, 1 million or 2 million beyond tech has arrived, but I didn't hear anybody to be vaccines with this beyond tech. I don't know. Next end of this month, Ramadan is starting, not end of this month, middle of this one. And there are very absurd rules just announced by the government. They are discussing why this kind of rules because at seven o'clock everybody had to finish their fast and eat at seven o'clock. But they said at seven o'clock every restaurant will be closed or something like that. I don't know. It has no rational administration concerning this vaccine issue. I don't know if you have some questions about what other issues in Turkey is, I can answer. Would you like to speak about the Istanbul Canal perhaps? I have sent a beautiful picture just a few days ago showing how they have created a Disneyland Istanbul Canal. But of course this is a huge construction issue. I heard that at least 10,000 trucks is needed to carry the debris from one side to the other side of Istanbul and where to carry it. It can build an island in Marmara Sea, they said. If they start digging and collecting the soil, it can build an island on Marmara Sea. But all the experts of ecological science, they say it will completely destroy Marmara Sea. That means again sea will be destroyed too because the water will not stay in Marmara Sea. It will go through Canakkale straight into again coast. I mean, it will be a big disaster. On the other hand, it means a new rupture from the continent of Europe. So this is an ideological and also political, whatever, I don't know, maybe also economic issue. And the real estate websites in Google, Turkish real estate websites are continuously selling land on both sides of this future hallucination of this canal. Thank you Borrel Srećka. Yeah, I'd love just to shortly, since Borrel opened the topic of the geopolitics of the canals. And I think we should definitely shed light more and internationalize the question of the canal which is being built in Istanbul. I'd love to connect to the Suez Canal because obviously besides Corona and COVID, the COVID crisis, this was definitely one of the most remarkable events of this year. Why? Because it showed that what Louise Mumford would call the mega machine, the mega machine was stopped for a few days because of heavy winds. And because of humans or global capitalism not being capable of removing the ship from the Suez Canal. Why is it interesting to me? It's interesting because it poses the question of transport into the middle of our struggles and it's still not there yet. Because what you can see is that transport of goods, of products is one of the, how to put it, the stuff of which capitalist dreams are made of. And when you stop it you can see this kind of crisis which goes in all directions. We could have seen that 200,000 animals are dying because they have been transported alive to be slaughtered in other countries and that's happening all the time and 200,000 is nothing. And left politics without animal liberation is not left politics, if I may add. We could have seen also containers with masturbators, vibrators and so on, which also tells something interesting about the global economy. But what it shows is how important transport is. And it's not just the Suez Canal. I mean obviously 90% of global transport today goes through container big cargo ships. But if you look both what Beral is mentioning in Istanbul, okay, that's again connected to the ships. But if you look at what China is doing with one Belt One Road, which is mainly investing into transport by trains which will be much quicker than boats, especially in this kind of situation with climate change messing up the Suez Canal or Silicon Valley where you can see that most of the companies in Silicon Valley also those who haven't been investing or inventing transport means are now mainly focused on that. They take Amazon, the drone delivery they are they are investing take Elon Musk Tesla. So I think just to make a theoretical point, I don't have a practical way out of this. But politically I think the progressive should focus much more on what is going on in transport and in which way it influences maybe even some sort of post capitalism which might be even worse than capitalism itself. Thank you, Sergeko. First mention of a sex toy in a CC meeting. Fortini. I think you have an update for us regarding the HDP party. Before that can I can I comment on what Sergeko and Beral were saying. Go for it. Okay, regarding the is the second canal, the artificial canal in Istanbul on the European side. Look, this is this is just pure geopolitics blended with corruption. I will remind you that Turkey is under very strict international obligations regarding the way it manages the the crossing the Dardanelles. These are the international waters that Erdogan is not controlling. But if he creates a new canal, then he can control that. He is released from all his international obligations. And I would not put it past him to block the natural crossing to say that you know, environmental concerns and so on means that there has to be a reduction in the in the crossings by 90% and then suddenly he forces all the trade going to Russia. Between Russian Ukraine on one hand or the Caucasus and the Mediterranean and the Atlantic to go through his own canal where he writes the rules. This is one, you know, let's let's not forget that this is the main reason why he died he's doing it and also because you know whenever you have such a huge project. There's always a fantastic opportunity to make money out of it. There are also direct important parts chunks of money into your own pockets and the pockets of the contractors that are indebted to you for getting for for getting this project done. So maybe Dm25 Turkey should adopt a humorful campaign campaign based on humor saying, look, if you really want to make money out of it. What is your idea? Don't create an island in the Marmara Sea, dig it up and then put it back where it is and create a nice park on it because that way you can spend all the money and so on. Okay. Sometimes humor is a good way forward. Now regarding the Swiss canal, I'm going to differ from you. There's been a world ruled by the progressive international, you know, let's, let's allow our imagination to go wild. You know, in a progressive world where you know that we have democratized post capitalism we already live in post capital, that's my view but we democratize it and we have, you know, Corpus syndicalism and citizens and so on. We are still going to need trade. We are going to produce everything in every country because that would be stupid. It would really magnify the costs of anything. And it will also create insularity that we don't want, we want trade. The problem I have with globalization is not so much trade. The problem with globalization is that it frees up the right of vibrators to go around the world, but not and out of money to go around the world but not the right of people to go around the world. So we are going to need big ships and we need to we're going to need the Swiss canal. And yes, sometimes even in the good progressive progressive world of the future, large ships are going to get stuck in the Swiss canal or in some other canal. We're not going to avoid such technological accidents. And I think they did a fantastic job to get it unstuck the problem with this particular ship, if you may, it was the moon, the moon. You are denigrating the work of hundreds and hundreds of very hardworking people who got it unstuck there. And of course they used the moon, but if it wasn't for hard labor, proletarian labor and technologists working there, many of them are Egyptian, which is a good thing, it wouldn't have happened. One of the big problems with that is that this ship was too large. And you know, this is what capitalism does, it creates magnitudes that are outside human proportions. So it's not that we don't need ships, we don't need trade, we need smaller, because a lot of that shit that was being loaded on evergreen was unnecessary. And I don't mean necessarily by the vibrators, right? I don't have an opinion that this would be essential for human mental health. Let's not be knee-jerk in our criticism. We are not against the technologies, we are not against those things that capitalism has created, which according to Marx and Engels in the Communist Manifesto have liberated humanity, including international trade, from prejudice and superstition. Let's bring it back to a human scale that will happen automatically once we move away from the heavy concentration ownership rights over the large corporations that are doing the trade. If I may, just one short point. But I do agree with you that we should ban livestock trade. You know, this idea of having sheep and cows and so on, and shipping them around in these disgusting conditions that this sickens me. I'm really glad to hear that for this last part. Regarding trade, no, I wasn't saying we should shut down the Swiss canal and stop global trade. I think that the means of transport are a problem on itself when you see how much these big ships fueled by fossil fuels are contributing to the other climate crisis or look at the coast of Somalia. You know, why do we have the Somali pirates? Because these big ships ruined the coast of Somalia. The reason why we have pirates in Somalia is because Western fleets descended upon a country that failed, took their fishing stock, rendered them in pecunius, stole the only source of protein from them and the fishing vessels turned into pirate vessels. This is a clear case of imperialism. Of course, but the big cargo ship is the best symbol of imperialism. No, no, I'm sorry. I disagree with that. The reason why they attacked the cargo ships was because the West that then uses those shipping lines with the cargo ships, you know, destroyed their country and took their livelihood away from them. Even if there were small cargo ships, they would have taken them. I would have taken them if I was a Somalian fisherman and I had nothing to live on because these huge Western vessels came on to my waters and stole the fish. The only thing they had there was protein was fish. You can't grow anything on Somaliland. Thank you, Janis, and if any of you guys would like to join the scrum, please stack in the chat or raise your hand. I'd like to bring in Fotini, because we were about to go to her before. Go for it, Fotini. Thanks, so it seems that President Erdogan doesn't choose only to not to follow Turkey's international obligations when it comes to building a canal on his own. It's also on other very important issues as well. In the last days, we had on the one hand, the withdrawal of Turkey from the Instable Convention, and on the other hand, the culmination of the fight Erdogan has unleashed against Hadepe. Let me just very shortly remind, mostly for the people that are watching us, is that Erdogan usually has instrumentalized in orchestrated prosecutions and imprisonment used in order to remove his political opponents from the political arena of Turkey. In addition to constant violation of human, political and personal rights, and of course, complete violation of democratic procedures. So few days ago, on the 17th of March, there was a file, a lawsuit filed at the constitutional court of Turkey, asking the banning of Hadepe as a party that fosters and supports terrorism. Yesterday, the constitutional court returned the file to the court that initiated the procedure for procedural omissions, but it's more than certain and from what I was told from our comrades of Hadepe that it will be resubmitted as soon as they fill in the missing parts in the procedure. On that same day, the government also stripped Hadepe's MP, Omer Farouk Yegelioglu, a fighter against the violation of human rights in his country, a politician that in parliament brought and mentioned cases of police brutality against women, a politician that saw his immunity being lifted because of a social media post he made five years ago. And he's the only one of the many politicians of Hadepe politicians that have been prosecuted, like Selahattin Demirtas and many, many others. The M25 had to react and we acted very fast, not only by bringing forward the situation and presenting what happened in Turkey, but also by organizing a petition that is currently ongoing on our website with a single main cause. Defend the Hadepe, resist Erdogan's dictatorship and as an ultimate cause save democracy. It is our duty as democrats and as active citizens to try and make the Hadepe struggle our own struggle. Because if it is banned, it will be the Seventh Procurdist political party that will be banned in Turkey. But it's not only political crime in Turkey, it's a coup against democracy. At the same time that our petition was launched, the Progressive International organized a virtual event last Sunday. Yannis was there as well and many other participants. So the next steps forward because we launched the petition, but we need to follow it up. As we were informed on the 26th of April, the hearings from the company riots start in Turkey. So our comrades there need our support. We will be there because as we all say their struggle is our own struggle. We have to fortify a democratic front against Erdogan's authoritative practices. We do it all together. We will be there. If you want to join this fight, please make sure you visit our website dm25.org and put your signature in our petition. Be part of it. Join us. Join this fight in the saving of democracy. Thank you. Thank you for to me and we have a comment from the chat from mad mom. She says I appreciate these meetings they let me hear firsthand other countries problems without the spin that media puts on everything. Thank you mad mom we appreciate your comment. I would just like to congratulate for to me and Merah 25 for taking up the cause of HTTP. I hope that we'll see on our website, a real account of the innovative initiatives that the very brave HTTP MPs have made for Turkish democracy. We need a proper history of this so that people fully understand what's going on. Thank you very much. Does anyone else have any other comments anything to add any other. No, Johannes. Yes, just wanted to mention I think we are in the other any other business part right. Just wanted to mention that we are going to send out so for all the DM members who are watching us we are going to send out. Two votes. So also, you know, for those viewers on YouTube, we are regularly having votes on important issues that we decide all together in the end 25. And the first one is on our provisional national collective for Portugal so those members that will be in charge of coordinating our movement and our grassroots members in Portugal. And the other one is a very important one, not just another political party model principles and pathway so for our guidelines for our lecture wings that we have and build up in several countries, like Greece very successfully and other will follow the example. Like we are working on that in Germany and Italy and other countries. Those are very important votes so please the dear members look out for that email and vote and with that, we are also going to send a policy proposal. To be honest you can describe best since you also have published it on our on your website I think and we can republish on the 25.org for everyone to see. I think it's called what Europe must do now. That's right thank you Johannes, and let me hand it over to Janice and then we'll conclude go for yet. Janice, would you like to conclude on that mention of the policy paper. Sorry, I couldn't unmute. Yeah. DM 25 needs to adapt to the times and we're doing this, and we're doing this at the level that we know how to, which is bouncing backwards and forwards between members of the CC and our membership at large ideas and policy proposals. I just want to remind you that a Green New Deal for Europe has many insights that now become far more topical and urgent due to the deterioration of the pre existing crisis, courtesy of the pandemic. And we came up with a three point plan, which what it did was it took some elements of the Green New Deal, and effectively put them to push them to the floor, regard and made them simpler and more pertinent to the demands of the pandemic, especially the economic recession that the pandemic caused. And what we're doing is so putting all this together to under. If you want a heading of what Europe must now do for the 2020s. And there are three major categories health, obviously, we're in a pandemic. Prosperity, common prosperity shared prosperity, which is the opposite of austerity in a way. Peace, and for that matter, green peace. A few words on each one of them on the question of health. It is now abundantly clear that the European Union cannot, you know, wash its hands of Europeans health. It is the same way that it tried to tried and failed to procure vaccine vaccines for all Europeans. You must pay and must organize for primary health care across Europe, including first defenses against pandemics in the paper you will be able to read. People watching very specific proposals on how this can be organized at the European level and paid for by the European level by the European level at the European level without any new taxes. This is important because the moment you start introducing new taxes and you have to go through the whole conversation about how to federate and have federal taxes by the time we have this conversation will be dead. The second plank dimension pillar prosperity, green prosperity. This is a rigging of the Green New Deal and the proposals on what to do about public debt, what to do about private debt and how to take trillions trillions and at least 600 billion every year and plow it into the green transition. So, effectively, the work has already been done for that as part of the Green New Deal. We are putting it to the fore. And third, green peace, not green peace. Europe is now surrounded by battlegrounds or potential battlegrounds. The Mediterranean is brewing conflicts in Libya, in Syria, in between Greece and Turkey in the region between Egypt and Libya. So, we have particular proposals we are discussing there on how to reduce the tensions and how to link this peace drive, peace initiative with green energy, because many of these conflicts have to do with fossil fuels. Nord Stream 2 in the north of Europe is something that gives putting enormous power. It gives the United States enormous power. It puts the German establishment in a bind in a difficulty. So, going green and a peace drive must go hand in hand. There are particular proposals on how to do that. We are going to, on Monday, this document is going to be sent to all members in different languages, national collectives, DECs, members. We are waiting for feedback. We are going to be very liberal as a CC, I propose. I'm sure it will be. And if when there are interesting amendments, even amendments we don't agree with, if we agree with them, we will incorporate them in the original text. If not, we will, you know, put them side by side with our proposals, article by article paragraph by paragraph, and then our members by the end of May, last week of May, we have an opportunity in the context of an old member vote to choose which amendments they want to take. And, you know, to say yay or nay to the whole thing. Thank you, Yanis. Thanks for outlining that process of having our policy papers crowd crowdsourced through the membership. I would add that once the policy papers is finalized assuming it is and improved. It informs all of our campaigns. We're doing movement. We're not a think tank. Whether those campaigns are electoral or movement based. So I think that wraps it up for now. Thank you. Thank you to our panel to everyone here. Thank you out there for listening and see you again. Same time. No, no, same place. But in two weeks on the 15th of April, because we're moving to a fortnightly schedule, almost screwed that up there. I'm glad I didn't. Okay. Bye. Thank you.