 What's up guys, it's Eric Johnson from Airtate Throws Nation. Today's video we are gonna do an interview excerpt from a few weeks back. I sat down with legendary Throws coach Tony Cirelli. And if you're not familiar with Tony, he is just one of these guys who's been coaching for the last 30 plus years in Southern California. He's produced droves of 60 plus foot shot putters. He's had three guys over 210 feet in the discus. He's coached at the Olympic Games. He is an internationally known coach. He happens to be a really great friend of mine. He is also my mentor and he by far has had the biggest impact on me and my program. He's had a big influence on me to create the throwing chain reaction system. So we sat down, we talked about some different things. And in this clip, we're gonna talk about mindset, process and a couple of things that you should really get your mind around because it's really what's gonna set you up to be a successful thrower. So hopefully you enjoy, check it out. Right. I'm gonna throw a 70 feet right now. Yeah. Like yes, maybe in 10 years between really hard work and the mind to be able to focus for 1.5 seconds so everything's in the exact right place then maybe 75 feet. Yeah. And how many people have done that in the history of the world? You know, that's the, I was joke around with my, all my throwers and I'm like, well you're a total knucklehead. And then as the post collegiate, there's still kind of knuckleheads, right? Well, but part of that is our society. Everybody wants instant gratification. Right. I'm gonna throw a 70 feet right now. Yeah. Yes, maybe in 10 years of doing really hard work specifically working on these certain things. Right. And you have the frame to do it and the strength levels to do it and the work ethic to do it. Right. And the mind to be able to focus for 1.5 seconds so everything's in the exact right place then maybe 75 feet. Yeah. And how many people have done that in the history of the world? Four? Well. Did Tim Raman do it? Tim Raman threw 75, Krauser, it's really the three dudes in one meet last year. Walsh Krauser. Yeah. So it's like five dudes and Andretti, right? And also. Or not Andretti, but you know who I'm talking about. Barnes too. And Barnes, right? The world record record. So six guys. Yeah, that's it. In the history of the event. Yeah. So yeah, you got a chance. Clearly you're a very pragmatic, the realist coach. And that's why obviously good points starting out and the patience is the tough factor. I have a member in Australia. We talked about it and they use the system. It's a dad who learned, right? So our system helped learn. We have a couple. We have actually a bunch of really great coaches down there. But he's got his daughters like nine years old and she looks incredible the way the kid moves. And then we have another coach, same thing. He has a daughter that's 10, moves incredible. And we were talking and she was getting beat the first year and dad was like, don't worry about it. What you're doing now next year. And then she just blew past everybody because she was establishing those fundamentals. And I think that's a hard thing for a lot of kids to learn because sometimes at that age, there's just some kids who he's just a giant 10 year old and they can muscle something out there. But always tell people like, we'll see where that 10 year old is when he's 17 and where you are at 17 and how much and who's doing what. And sometimes those youth kids, they're just big and they're not big when they get older and the kid that was small becomes big. And that makes me think of the question of, the instant success, the four year strategy. I think that's how people need to understand this, isn't they? Yeah, let me see if I'm gonna be good at this because you might be bad at it the first year. There have been people, but it's almost impossible to be good at it. Yeah, right away. You can throw far standing or that might happen, something like that. But if you look technically at what you're doing, if you're first year throw and throwing full throw. Right. You're terrible. You really are. Yeah, no, it's true. And it's easier in the shop but than it is in the discus. Right, the discus is harder. I always say that. Yeah. And probably harder in the javelin than the hammer than it is in the other two events. Yes, you can throw standing and if you're a big strong kid, you can throw far. Okay, now let's put you back in the ring, glide or spin and see how good you are. And that's why most of those kind of people throw standing because they have their technique of their full throw is so bad they can't throw as far as they throw standing. Right. But then you get addicted to that. That's the problem that a lot of coaches, if you're still throwing standing when you after 10 or 12 weeks of work, something's wrong. Yeah. Yeah, and that's I think one of the things we talk about with the way we've kind of put together our program, you should be doing a full throw in a week. It won't be the prettiest. Right. But you're gonna concept, but yeah, but you're gonna conceptually get an understanding like I've had camps and I was like, you know, girl's doing stand throws and she can't convert. And I was like, how long have you been doing a stand throw? And she's like on her fourth year. And I'm like, why on earth? Like, you know, she's doing a full throw by the end of a camp one day and she's been doing stand throws for four years. And it's like, well, now you really change the movement because you're only used to that. Now you've ingrained that. So to move into that position is, it's a mess. So is it all out the window? Right. The problem with a lot of kids being able to get positions of good throwers is they don't have enough strength. And so if you're not teaching them while in the weight room. Right. And doing things that carry over to the ring. Right. You know, so if you're lifting bodybuilding or CrossFit or those things aren't gonna help you carry over to the ring. Maybe the first year or so just getting people in shape, something like one of those kind of workouts could head program, could benefit. Right. But eventually you're going to have to get specific to the sport. Right. If you don't, then you're going to be in the same boat again. You're not going to carry over and they even might throw far but they're not throwing as far as they could throw. We're probably, you and I have a lot of similarity. I basically say what our system is intended to do is teach 70 meter discus technique. But you're not gonna get to seven meters for a long time, if ever. But the idea is, you know, you wanna move as technically as efficient as possible. There's a process to that. And everybody has a different timeline. But that was a combo of getting better technically with the event and getting strength that can be applied to the ring. Yeah. I thought a great idea was the former U.S. head weightlifting coach for the USA weightlifting team was Sir Polin. And they, weightlifting up to members 14 or 15 years old was judged like gymnastic. So you would judge on your technique, not how much weight. But he did the same weight and then the judges would give you a 5.5 or a 9.3 or a, and you got judged on your technique. And so you won the competition because you had the best technique, not because you looked at the most weight. And so, but then that develops really good technique. And so then these kids now go in to start adding effort and adding tempo. They're able to handle the weights better because their technique's good. Throwing is the same way. You're just ego'd all the time as a coach and say, let's see how far you can throw. Right, yeah. It's not gonna work. And you know, it's funny and that's true. And so, you know, like I told you, our approach with what we're teaching and breaking things down into the pillars is, and the first thing we actually are teaching is how to hold the discus right, how to get comfortable. It should just be comfortable. You should be able to move it. You see the top guys, they spin it, they move it around. I mean, it's, I mean, even I can, you know, I can move the discus around. It's, I don't have to think twice but I can do all kinds of stuff with it. Most kids are, you know, cupping and shortening their arm and, you know, they're doing this and that completely, I would say, overrides every single thing you're gonna try to do with your technique. As soon as you do this with your arm, it throws over. So we start there. We start with the shot position. Like you said, that, you know, I see this all the time, especially now with everybody on phones and games, the shoulders, the scaps, you know, they're weak and then they, I got a kid right now that the hand's always here. So, and it's like, dude, like here, you're glide, you're here, you know, rotation, you're gonna be here, crease the elbow, flat, push. Like you said, we're pushing this way. And they're, you know, just making me think of it again. That's a big thing with kids today. Two things, they're Achilles because they don't tie their shoes or they walk on the back of them and they're shoulder. With the kids who are really that way, it's a full year. Yeah. Just strengthening those things that make them do what they have to do. A big thing is Russians a hundred years ago, muscle tonus. Sitting up straight, holding yourself up is the best weight lifting you can do. Yeah. Slouching and putting yourself, you know, because this is 24 hours a day. So that is going to make the brain work faster than doing some pulls. And you need to do that to strengthen those things. But just standing up straight, as far as core and structure goes, is gonna solve a lot of your problems. But they have to be reminded to do it. Yeah. Again, yeah, the thing that for everybody, just remember this is kind of key for those beginners and coaches. It's a process. You gotta learn. I mean, the process of learning it, applying it, you have to have that mindset. And there's, I always tell people, I like to get people better fast. I know you like to get people better fast, but there's a way and you can't, you're not gonna cheat the physics or the biomechanics or the strength needs. So you better develop good positions. In that sense, getting better fast doesn't necessarily mean your marks are better. Yes. But you're getting better. Yes. That's what kids don't understand either. They want instant gratification. Coach tells me I'm getting better, but I'm not throwing any further. But it's like, just wait. Maybe it's the horsepower. Maybe it's the mass. Maybe it's other things that take time to develop.