 All righty, we are live on video. We are live on audio. We have a live Andrea Smith You ready to go ready to rock here we go Support for the Daily Tech news show is provided by patrons like you at patreon.com Slash ace detect this is fpn the frog pants network This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday, September 16, 2014 on Tom Merritt joining me today I'm happy to have Andrea Smith technology journalist back on the show fresh Well as fresh as one gets with jet lag as I can attest From Europe where you were cover you were over there covering EFA and then you got some time to tour around So we're gonna be talking about traveling with mobile data later on Excellent glad to be here wide awake. I hope I think I think we're both in that same state of like almost back on our schedule Yeah, yeah, let's start off with some headlines Cult of Mac says it has talked to folks inside Apple who say that the NFC chip on both the iPhone 6 and 6 plus Will only be used by Apple pay. That's actually similar to what touch ID Was like when it first launched it was not accessible to developers at launch Such ID has opened up a bit in iOS 8 and many hope that the iPhone's NFC will open up to developers down the road as well But not at launch And again, I was away with for this, but didn't they show it working with other things like a hotel room with the with the watch Yeah, they did so apparently they might allow some folks who are close friends To get a little access here and there maybe I think they I think that'll it'll be exactly like touch ID They'll have a couple of things that they can do with it and then next rev of the eye operating system They'll allow some limited developer access Hey, you know how Microsoft says they're a productivity and platform company all the time well PC Mag reports on a few new peripherals that fall on that productivity side of the equation the most intriguing is the universal mobile keyboard that connects Bluetooth to Windows but not just Windows Android and iOS devices as well It's coming to US and Canada in October for 80 bucks a new standalone arc touch Bluetooth mouse it mouth mouse not a mouth It's not a Bluetooth mouth. It's a mouse It's coming September 18th for 70 bucks and the Microsoft wireless mobile mouse 3500 is back With some fancy artwork this month for 30 bucks and finally a version of the Xbox one controller meant for Windows Which means it packs in a nine-foot USB to micro USB cable essentially is going to be coming in November for 60 bucks Now most people are interested in this keyboard because it's available for Android and iOS not just Windows But Andrea you were saying you saw a very similar product at EFA I did so I was so interested when I saw the Microsoft announcement because last week at E4 even two weeks ago now Lots of tech introduced a very similar keyboard. It's called the Bluetooth multi-touch device a little bigger form factor But basically the same thing. There's a cradle. You can put your phone or your tablet in there There's a dial and you switch between three devices works with Microsoft Windows Chrome Android iOS Mac you name it and I think the price point was $50 and it seemed great to me because I'm always switching between all Devices so this is interesting to see yeah, I think most people looked at this and thought well That's interesting Microsoft being more cross-platform, which is kind of the new Rallying cry under Sacha Nadella But it may be just as much Competing with other keyboards in the marketplace then if Logitech's got a similar thing out there Exactly, or just even listening to your user base and seeing how people were using your products and what they need to be More efficient, which I guess some people might say is also a new thing from Microsoft $350 for a watch made by somebody from Apple that won't come until next year We can do better the unofficial Apple web blog reports the misfit flash a new version of the misfit not only tells time But tracks activity and sleep and syncs with the misfit app on an iPhone now It doesn't have apps, but it does run on an actual watch battery So no recharging it also comes in seven colors is waterproof down to 30 meters and cost you 50 bucks It'll be available in stores in October and you can pre-order starting today Oh, and the company is led in part by former Apple CEO John Scully Who's famous for running Steve Jobs off? So you even get a little Apple history if you have a misfit you have a misfit like the previous I do actually I've been a big fan of the misfit. I've talked to Sunnyview the other co-founder many times Actually, I have my misfit here my husband and I tracked our steps in Europe every day at the end of the day We can see how far we walked and I really like it And I think that this is interesting, you know a smartwatch gives you notifications and you're gonna pay more for that But $50 for kind of you know a misfit that will do your fitness your steps and your sleep because so many people Really do want to get a little bit more data about how am I sleeping is it deep? Is it like what's interesting to me? And I've used all of these devices. I like the misfit They already make you know a band to go with the misfit And it's so I'm presuming that that the flash that's coming out is going to be very similar to this Very soft and very comfortable. And so for people who want to wear this to sleep It's much more comfortable than maybe the job on up 24, you know, which is a little more clunky on your wrist I think 50 bucks is a great price point for this. No, there's there's especially at that price point There's nothing not to like about this and if you're saying it works Well, it's not gonna be you know, like the asus zen watch And we don't know what the price of the solid gold apple is I don't know if it's solid gold, but the gold Apple watch is gonna be Can't be solid gold because then the silicon chip when would have to be gold. I don't think that works Reuters reports the US Federal Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington throughout a jury order that would have required Apple to play pay Vernet x a holding Corp 368.2 million dollars for VPN patents the decision does not find Apple innocent of infringing the patents but determined that the trial judge Incorrectly instructed jurors on how to calculate damages Essentially it means that the damages were too much the appeals court returned the case to the US District Court in Tyler, Texas for further proceedings Eweek has it the docker maker of the open-source container Virtualization tech closed a 40 million dollar series C round of funding now That funding is a big vote of confidence for docker 1.0 Which is yet to come outputs coming soon and will create a commercial ecosystem around the technology docker is the one that lets developers build Their app in any language then you put them in the docker container and allows them to run anywhere It's actually really good for sys admins as well and loads of other things because it says you code However, you want and then your apps just run wherever you put them It's a lot more efficient than running them in a virtual machine which has to do the entire machine every time TechCrunch reports IBM has announced a new cloud application called Watson analytics that will help business users crunch big data a lot of sales Applications here and yes IBM execs say the underlying technology includes the same ability to process natural language Queries that helped Watson the giant supercomputer beat Ken Jennings at Jeopardy So it's not just branding by calling it Watson analytics goes into beta this month And is slated for general release by the end of the year program will run on a variety of platforms including tablets smartphones PC slash laptops and there's a free version. It's a freemium model or you pay extra for extra storage and extra functions I think this is a I think this is a really probably the first application of Watson That feels like it's widespread like a lot of businesses could take advantage of this Yeah, and probably a lot of businesses will take advantage of it because they don't have really the bandwidth You know to do this kind of data crunching themselves And there's so much that people are seeing that they can do if they have the answers I think it said that you know rather than waiting months for for trying to figure something out that this would be Much quicker, I guess because of the cloud-based storage, but this is something that I think I don't know the pricing or how Companies will have to pay for the freemium for the extra storage or the premium for that matter But yeah, I think people will be using this. Yeah Watson in the cloud You know, you're gonna want to try it Especially if you're going to be on jeopardy you just put it on your on your smartwatch You know, it's free so I you know, I'm sure there they are definitely targeting it towards business users But I imagine if you really wanted it you could probably you probably figure out how to try it out so We just to see what people do with this this is one of those things that might just end up being a very Businessy enterprise application and that's fine, but people might make some unusual uses out of it Watson in a cloud Time for some news from you these come from our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit comm if you haven't checked it out Go join the thousands of people and I literally mean thousands of people that go in there and submit stories and vote on those stories It helps us figure out what kind of stories you're into every day Captain Kipper pointed out the ours Technica article that a jury in Marshall, Texas Go Mavericks found CBS guilty of infringing a patent from personal audio LLC they're the guys that were suing podcasters if you remember and ordered CBS to pay $1.3 million a personal audio holds a patent on a system for disseminating media content representing episodes in a serialized sequence That's why they were going after podcasters the patent was filed in 2009 and published February 17th What CBS did that the court found infringing was put a compilation file together in this case a web page made out of HTML That's the compilation file and then transmitted episodic content through that file over the internet They updated it with new episodes the decision allows personal audio to move forward with similar suits against NBC and Fox Meanwhile the Electronic Frontier Foundation is challenging the validity of that patent with the patent office And they're scheduled to have a hearing on that later this year Who goes after podcasters really well personal audio? Apparently decided to drop their suits against podcasters because they figured there was more money in the networks and they're right $1.3 million that's you know that Chump I don't want to say it's chump change for CBS But it's certainly something that CBS can afford whereas I can tell you right now most podcasters can't afford 1.3 million dollars TM204 submitted the engadget report that security researcher Benjamin Daniel Musser discovered a security hole in the manage your Kindle page a Corrupted e-book For example one that you don't get from the Kindle store you downloaded from some other website Maybe it had a script hidden in the title could be created to access your cookies And therefore give the attacker access to your Amazon account credentials Musser discovered the hole in October Amazon patched it But the whole resurfaced recently after an overhaul of the manager Kindle service Musser says if you're careful about what e-books You load into your Kindle and where you get them should be easy to avoid the problem Ubert passes along the verge report that Roku has sold more than 10 million streaming players since 2008 Apple announced earlier this year. It had sold 20 million Apple TVs since 2007 if you want a comparison Roku has now amassed 1,800 channels and users have streamed more than five billion hours of content since the service launched They currently sell a $49 Roku streaming stick and three set top boxes including the $99 Roku 3 I just have to say I covered Roku since it's a launch They have come such a long way from being the Netflix box 1,800 channels. I mean, you know, that's a lot and hopefully no one's ever gonna watch half of them But it means that there's something for everyone and I have to tell you For people like my mom, it's the easiest set top box there is to use. You think it's easier than Apple TV I do. Why is that? Yeah, I find it for her It's easier because she knows how to navigate it and I think the user interface I think last year when they redid that user interface. It just put it into such a simpler form of Navigation I'm fine with Apple TV But for an older person who's not as tech savvy, I think Roku is easier. I tell you what I love my Roku too And I use the Apple TV as well I kind of go back and forth the difference is Roku does allow the apps to make their own Interfaces they don't have to use a default interface like Apple does which can go good or bad But a lot of times goes very well The Netflix app on Roku is miles better than the Netflix app on Apple TV for example because of that People who just use a few channels. I think it's it's far far more convenient I'm telling you to Roku with their app store and trying to get involved in in being installed inside of televisions If we end up seeing Sony Verizon and maybe dish launching internet only TV services next mid next year Which it looks like we might Roku could be in a really good position to take off If they were able to get those services and they already have the dish world service, so they've got a good relationship with dish there That is a look at the headlines Real quickly I mentioned this yesterday on the show, but I published a silly little novella itself published called events of a different nature It's about my dogs solving crimes. It is not nearly as cute as that might sound Though I tried to make it more Raymond Chandler than wind in the willows They never once admit their dogs or in any way inferior to humans So if you if you want to check it out, yeah You can find a free version as well as print and various e-book platform versions at Tom Merritt books Com I had a lot of fun writing it and I and a couple people who've read it so far said they enjoyed it So might be might be worth a look Tom Merritt books.com All right traveling mobile data You were traveling in Germany and Austria. I was traveling in Italy recently We both had some similar experiences, but also some different experiences Let me tell you what I did Andrea and then tell me what you think of that and tell me what you did How's that sound? Well, my wife has T-Mobile, so she just did the I can't remember what it's called the simple global Plan yeah, so she's just like I'm just gonna take my phone and go that In on the face of it is probably the best way to go because you don't have to do anything You've got your same phone number. You got your same phone You've got all your apps and you just go and use it problem is you only get the 2g service Not the 3g service and she found that the coverage in Italy was It was it was okay She had to reboot her phone a couple of times to to make sure she got a better connection What I did was I went and I paid what is probably too much but still a heck of a lot cheaper than paying the carriers I paid $99 for a gigabyte sim from JT global there in Jersey the benefit of that is That I got the sim card ahead of time So I knew it would work I could put it in my phone ahead of time which I didn't do and then when I tried to put it on the plane I didn't have a paper clip Said to wait till I got to that hotel room, but even then I didn't want to have to stop in a store And I know I could have saved a ton of money if I did that but I was like I want to know that it's gonna work I want to know when I go there that I can I don't have to go and talk to somebody and try to figure something out I can just put it in and go and it worked that way The other thing about JT global is they have roaming agreements with lots of different providers So it wasn't like going to Tim say in in Italy and getting their sim and only being on their network I was able to jump from network to network that worked out really well But again, it was 10 cents a megabyte. So it was a little pricey. What did you find? So I found it's interesting. So I I also was doing the T-Mobile. I wanted to try the T-Mobile simple global I was a little nervous because T-Mobile here in my area is really bad coverage is not good And I was a little bit nervous about how that was going to be for covering a tech show So what I did was I also got from XCOM global Their mobile hotspots and what they do is you rent a mobile hotspot You tell them where you're going and they either send you a European one or country specific So in my case, they found that since I was going to both Germany and Austria, they sent me two different ones And they were slated to be turned on on certain dates and turned off on certain dates came it with a spare battery Really simple to use it arrived the day before I left and came with a prepaid package for me to send it back They have to I got back So what was interesting for me is the T-Mobile over there was fabulous because it's Telecom in Germany, and it's the primary network Right people don't know Deutsche Telecom owns T-Mobile USA and they own the T-Mobile brand in Europe as well So it makes sense. So that's that's like what you want to have over there in Germany I never had a new problem with coverage and I never had a new problem with 2g. I was using it for email I was using it for maps, you know, Google Maps walking around town And in fact, I found that to be really great the only problem I had and I didn't think about this beforehand was Like Twitter two-factor authentication when I went to sign in on a device That I hadn't signed in on Twitter wanted to text me my code. Well, guess what? That wasn't happening on the T-Mobile because it wasn't my normal phone didn't think about that Probably beforehand I could have gone in and said email me my code if I asked for it as opposed to text That wasn't major but since I then was traveling with my husband after the ifa show the XCOM Global was great because Well, you can put up to 10 devices on that. So whereas I couldn't easily tether the 2g T-Mobile phone When we were walking around Vienna, we both had coverage. We were both able to do things I was able to upload videos when I was trying to finish working so that I could get on Vacation, so I would say, you know, they were both really good experiences for different things now I will tell you some people I was traveling with And back from ZD net just published a great article on his experience with prepaid Sims He had just a good experience and showed really how much money you can save By getting one of these local Sims because if you're looking at adding international data Texting and calling to your AT&T plan. That's like six hundred seven hundred dollars And you can get I had another person we were traveling with bought for I think nine or ten euro Which is like thirteen dollars a five hundred megabyte sim now in all I looked at my phone I think I used about five hundred and fifty megabytes in the eight days. I was there So, you know lots of options. I used I used like nine hundred twenty megabytes And I guess I was sort of trying to But but yeah, I was it was nice to have a gig because I just didn't think about it especially in those earlier days and They had Wi-Fi on the train. It was slow, but it worked. We had Wi-Fi in our hotels There are Wi-Fi in a lot of restaurants I don't know if you noticed that in the areas you were in but there were plenty of places where you could Just get on Wi-Fi if you trust it And and be able to avoid having to use your mobile data there exactly and there's a lot of Wi-Fi Interestingly, you know for me. I thought the XCOM global made it more secure You know, I knew that it was secure what I was doing and I wasn't worried about it If I was working or doing anything that was sensitive But the other interesting thing I noticed this year in Europe is the hotel that we've stayed at in previous years Which used to charge $20 a day for Wi-Fi? And give you one hour a day free if you wanted Was free the whole time we were there. I mean it was throttle It wasn't really, you know Fabulous Wi-Fi, but it was enough for me to work from the hotel room and it was free So I hope that that's a trend of hotels, you know stopping this ridiculous charge for Wi-Fi Yeah, one of the places we stayed at had free Wi-Fi, but it was very obvious They had one router and so depending on how many people were using it at any time It was either unusable or super fast Another hotel had a decent charge. It was like $15 for multiple devices per day, which I still don't want to pay for that But it's better than it used to be where they'd charge you like $35 a day And and it had a limit of two devices They said multiple devices and then we tried to authorize a third device They're like, oh, nope, you've gone over your limit and worst part about that was not only had we gone over the limit But it wasn't even an option to pay for more if you wanted to I'm not sure I would have anyway, but it was like nope, you're screwed you authorize two devices Those are the two devices you get to use for the next 24 hours. You're done Well, you know interestingly another option is Boingo Which last year I found to be very easy over in Europe at the hotel We were staying at that was charging $20 a day had a Boingo Wi-Fi hotspot So I just used Boingo Boingo is great because you can sign up for one month and then drop it You don't have to have a contract or a plan this year. There were fewer Boingo hotspots, and I'm not sure if there's any correlation between Fewer of those and better better access to hotel Wi-Fi. I'm not sure You know in all I would say that the whole prepaid sim thing and talking to everyone There's so many options with that where you can use some of your data. You can save some for calls And there's a wiki. There's a prepaid sim wiki that you can go to that answers all these questions It's all in Edvard's article Yeah, we'll have a link to that article in our show notes as well. I did I did a an audio Extra for the patrons on Sunday where I talked a little bit about this and we got some good responses from folks in the audience With some other ideas Rafaal Suggested if you're not on T-Mobile you can get a T-Mobile postpaid phone $50 unlimited data. It is still a 2g But he's like you can get a free you can sometimes get a free phone or a really cheap phone If you just want to have that data and not have to deal with sim cards Wilton warns the T-Mobile coverage is not good everywhere He lives in Baja, California and recommends tell-sell there and T-Mobile only roams with movie stars So it's gonna depend on the roaming agreements depending on where you go Jason M says Tim in Italy offers a nine euro card for unlimited data for a month Again, you're limited to where Tim has its roaming agreements, but may if you're just trying to save money That's that's incredibly cheap Paul notes that roaming from place to place can cause problems with sims From one telco as I mentioned essentially if you if you just have a sim from say Tim or some or Vodafone You may not have as good a service in one place or another And that's why I liked the JT global is they would roam on anything so that it was a little more expensive But I always knew I was gonna get service as long as somebody had service in that location And Robert suggests just buy a new phone for temporary use sometimes you can get those burner phones that have data on them That's another way to go as well it all depends on how much money you're willing to spend and What your level of inconvenience is some people like me like you're on vacation You don't want to go in a store and talk to a sales rep especially in another language Sometimes to refill these prepaid cards. You have to use the language that is the country that they're from And so it might be worth a little more to buy something ahead of time But it's certainly the cheapest option is Want to know that it works. I mean like there was one person traveling with us who bought a sim card and If you know everything was fine, but he just couldn't get it to work You know just something was happening and he I think he wound up actually putting it in somebody else's phone Just to get it started and then put it back in his phone Yeah, so I mean when you're on vacation you really don't want to deal with that You just want it to work and that's why the renting of the the Wi-Fi hotspots is it is a really smart idea as well If all you want is data if you're not worried about phone You could actually just pay for a small plan for phone and text that might even solve your your Unlaw your two-factor authentication issue Not use it keep the phone off most of the time and then just rent a Wi-Fi hotspot or keep it in airplane mode And just use data that way lots lots of ways to crack this unfortunately The easiest one is what T-Mobile does with the free roaming it may not work a hundred percent of the time But that's the one I wish everybody had Exactly, and and you know again, you know it has to be in a good coverage area because you need to be able to depend on it Right really and truly the 2g was not an issue for me Yeah, I was surprised at that when Eileen did actually get service her her speeds were fine And I think it was I can't remember who said it in the chat room now Somebody's like yeah, cuz nobody in is using 2g any boys So you had it all to yourself, maybe I don't know Well, thank you Andrea for for sharing your experience. I hope that's helpful for folks If are you working on a story on this yourself or yeah, I'm gonna just you know having take having tried all these options I'm gonna work on a story. I'm putting it all together and because you know people Even for me when I went I had to look at everything and say what do I need to do? I hadn't thought about the two-factor authentication So, you know just trying to see all the different options and get people covered So check that out follow Andrea on Twitter. It's a it's just Andrea Smith on Twitter Twitter Keep an eye out for that in the future. Let's check the calendar real quick Ios 8 will be available to download tomorrow September 17th some articles out there as usual say why you should or shouldn't do it So you might want to check those out before you do September 17th is also the start of programmatic IO a web marketing conference in New York our pick of the day comes from Brian Burgess It's an oldie, but a goodie D ban He says one of the free tools I use a lot Especially when I want to completely nuke a computer and do a real clean install of windows is Derek's boot and nuke Good old D ban a DB and org if you want to blow away a drive that's heavily infected with viruses and other malicious code It's also perfect for that. You burn it to a disc boot from it and use the command line interface for most consumers The quick or auto nuke option is good enough, but for the truly paranoid You can have your drive near Department of Defense standards and you can set it to overwrite the drive up to seven times That's D ban org. I I've been I've been a fan of D ban since 2007 I think is when I ran across him I Think there's also a way to do this now otherwise, especially for folks who don't have a CD drive And but this is this is an oldie, but a goodie Especially if you've got an older laptop you're getting rid of you might want to check that out You can send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show comm and you can find my picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks All right Andrea's got an interesting take on the Minecraft acquisition from Microsoft We got a couple other takes on this as well from the audience first one is a voicemail from Rapid Eye Hey, Tom rapid. I hear a great addition to have been Patrick join the join the team You got the good chemistry together looking forward to all the shows to come One of the topics you're talking about today with Microsoft Minecraft I guess my biggest concern is it maybe they've paid too much for a property that's passed its prime and on its way out It's not so much that it's dead I just think that you know maybe your so-go is a little bit bigger than it is now Okay for something that's it's not gonna last and you know, and they're not gonna get their money back out of it They certainly have a history of doing this They did this maybe 10 15 years ago with Plaza and the Mac warrior franchise that paid a bunch of money for that I think they released something on the Xbox and then they just let it plounder It and I think they actually wanted to spin it off again. I'm not sure about but any case they have a history of doing this I don't know good timing bad timing Pretty sure it's bad. All right care. Love the show Rapidae thinks it's bad and we touched on that a little bit about whether Minecraft is peaked I still even if it is peaking I think it's got many years left in it and it may not have peaked it Maybe a more of a platform for them is what we were talking about yesterday The other thing I mentioned yesterday is the money they paid for it came from Europe and stays in Europe So they don't have to pay us taxes on it They'd have to pay a big tax hit if they brought that money back into the US and Nate Langston of wire.co.uk Wrote in and said just on the micro craft story from yesterday Another explanation for the purchase might be a really boring one spending two and a half billion on Minecraft might earn them more than that Cash is earning them in the bank. It's a bit mad that dropping so much cash to earn a few tens of million a year Might look good on paper, but it could make sense from an accountant's perspective Just thought I'd suggest something dull to counterbalance your interesting theories from yesterday It could always be a combination of all these ideas and he's probably right It probably is a combination of all these ideas Andrea, I know you were interested in it from the product from the perspective of a parent Yeah, I mean, you know, it's a lot of money and I don't know what they're gonna do with it But from from my perspective and what I've seen Minecraft is one of those games You know, there's so many games that their parents don't want their kids to play Minecraft is the one game that people keep saying I want to learn how to play this so that I can play it with my kids Parents approve of it. They, you know, unless of course it becomes an obsessive thing where it's happened and people have had to ban it as other Games, but this is one of those games that I think parents are okay with, you know, they really feel like their kids are learning something positive if they're using it properly and Trying to figure out I've seen countless articles about here's how to play in Minecraft with your kids So, you know, I think it's got a lot of years left in it Well and techno squid wrote in and pointed out this could be Microsoft trying to get brand awareness with another generation Microsoft may not have a lot of brand awareness with younger folks But he says I can't think of many Microsoft brands with which a young person could have a positive association And that could be a serious long-term problem for them with all of the use of Chromebooks and Google apps and classrooms It seems like Microsoft is losing the future of their bread and butter revenue streams Maybe this is their McDonald's strategy like Ronald McDonald in the toy in the Happy Meal ingraining those positive associations for life Who knows today's Minecraft builders could be tomorrow's developers developers developers You know, that's a really good point. I mean there really isn't something that sticks out for kids That's associated with Microsoft right now, and that's a great point. Yeah, it may may sound a little bit pragmatic You know versus hope for the future, but it could be both as well I you know Justin Robert Young wrote in is like what about the idea of them buying Minecraft Simply to boost the value of Xbox before they spin it off and my response to him was That works either way if they keep it it has now made a more diversified Segment of the company that doesn't realize simply on the fortunes of one console anymore But that also makes it more valuable for sale So I I think I don't think it points one way or another whether they're going to keep or get rid of the Xbox division I think it's just a good move no matter what you do Well, that is it for this episode of the Daily Tech News show Thank you Andrea as always for joining us let folks know a little bit more about what you're up to these days And where they can find you I can find me on Twitter at Andrea Smith. I'm working on CES right now. Can you believe CES is almost here? Oh, man. Yeah It's about time to start thinking about it. You're right Yeah, so some programming for CES some some live interviews there at CES and You know always a pleasure to join you. Thank you Andrea. Good to have you. Thanks to all of our patrons who helped make the show possible 4,274 people have decided that they see some value in the show and they'd like to give some value back if you Have thought the same thing you can go to Daily Tech News show comm slash donate to find out more You can support us with all kinds of different ways patreon being the main way that keeps the show going So, thank you very much to everybody out there who is supporting the show Don't forget you can have a voice in what stories we cover at our subreddit daily tech news show reddit comm Email feedback at daily tech news show comm our phone numbers 51259 daily And you can listen to the show live at mobile.alpha geek radio comm our website is daily tech news show comm We'll be back tomorrow with Michael Wolf. See you then Hey, I love that boy That's Scott Johnson. Oh my god, it sounds great. Yeah, you did a great job on that. I love that thing People were singing it like when I was having the vague technical problems that I had last week Your guests would just start to sing it. It was That's great. It was it made my day Great show guys fantastic Thanks for having me guys good. Yes. Thanks. Yeah. Good to have you back. That was awesome. See you again soon. All right All I was thinking during that was things have changed since I went to Europe and there weren't really any cell phones When was the last time you went to Europe? Well, I mean look I once I got back from Europe and nine. Well, I'm sorry the fresh it's a the first time I went to Europe. Oh, gotcha. Yeah About how much things have changed like I remember the hunt for the internet cafe. Oh, look an internet cafe Let me insert my weird foreign money and I will write someone We were talking about that too. We went to our friend's wedding in Hawaii in 2001 I think and had exactly that like we need to find an internet cafe So that we can check our Yahoo mail And and it's just it's just crazy to think about and then the last time we went to Europe Was basically like all we could do was a roaming plan because our phones were locked and It was constant like okay I have been a turn it on for the next five minutes and check my email really quick and then turn it back Turn it back to airplane mode again And it's just not that to do that my favorite part though about going to Europe was like when you went with a bunch of friends When you were younger and it was like, okay, we're splitting up. I will meet you in Aquitaine You know in in this church in this thing at this time And it was like a real high-stakes gamble over whether you were gonna find your friends ever again I feel like maybe that's been lost Things that have been lost but that was I mean you can say that's been lost But that's the same thing as saying like, you know with television people don't sit down and talk in the evenings Or with radio they don't they don't play music on the piano anymore It's just we we always have new ways of doing things It is crazy to think about like how much you had to go through to figure out how to meet That you don't have to do anymore. Yep Actually that that hit me at one point when I Eileen was actually in a store in the dressing room But I went in to find her to tell her I was gonna go somewhere else and I couldn't find her and I'm like Well, she doesn't have my phone number for this SIM card. I can't text her and so I'm like I gotta stay here I'm just gonna have to wait until she comes out. Yeah No, it's a weird every once in a while you get in these weird things Like that time that I was in Mississippi after Katrina and Like we had to make whole plans on how to meet because like our phones just didn't yeah Yeah, right and like we were going between Gulfport and Biloxi and it was like well if we miss each other That's the CVS evening news It's really it was quite a thing So anyway, there's there's that walked down 1999 memory lane But yeah, I think when I went to Barcelona with the phones that was only Want to say that was 2008 wasn't that long ago. Yeah, it really has been a leaps and bounds I haven't been to Europe since 2006, which is insane But that's that's another story for another day Well, I think we should send you to our Paris Bureau then That would be great Um, actually, I want to go to mobile world Congress. That's my dream Yeah, yeah go to Barcelona is my dream. Oh, this is fine Yeah, that's my that's my new my new bugaboo band of misfits Yeah, yeah When in Rome Like that That's the one I think that's yeah Although I'm always a fan of Rome if you want to because it's a great song I think I've used that maybe a couple of times on different shows It's hard to keep track. Although bio cow does have roaming data, which is pretty great. Yeah, that's good Like the city Oh, that's the Vatican It's the commoon Commune day. They were actually it's the capitol a now they changed it used to be a I think I think when in Rome is pretty great Yeah, that's that's freaking brilliant Watson come here. I need you is not bad Watson come here. I need you Roman holiday TV Zee gone very nice. I hadn't got down that far We're gonna go to sleep and wake up when it's like November and the weather is cool again I don't think I can take another month of this So why can't you be in the air conditioning? So well, I certainly can which is the only reason I'm really still present right now. I haven't run off to San Francisco We have one air conditioner for the entire most of the house And then we have one in the bedroom And so it's either like lock yourself in the little yellow walled submarine Or be kind of okay Yeah, I got you, you know, it's just and then not really go outside because like where are all the damn movies I'm like waiting for the movies to come back so I can go hide in the movie theater, but Right, you know, there's no like and yes I don't want to see Maze Runner You know, there's lots of things I could see there certainly are movies present Zero theorem is getting really bad reviews on rotten tomatoes and I was very sad about that So I was you know, I love a Terry Gilliam movie There just doesn't seem to be a movie out that I'm super interested until maybe skeleton twins or definitely gone girl But that's a ways away when it's supposed to get cool on this weekend anyway Down to 80 There's even a 10% chance of rain. Yeah 10% what? When it rained that other the other day for like five minutes, you may have been away But I don't remember that yeah, it was the most amazing thing and then of course it ended ended Well captain Kipper's going to Italy next spring. Oh cool. So now he's armed with new data And he's doing Barcelona to wow Any messages came in while I was itching I don't know when the next movie draft starts 40 thieves That's a good question. I think we usually start it in October So we'll have to do the draft pretty in the next couple weeks probably I'm burned out. I'm burned out on the draft After one draft you're burned out And I was so emotionally invested that's why you got to moderate you guys can't throw yourself all in like that You're burning yourself out. Oh just needed one movie to do what it was supposed to do. It would have been fine I've seen movie drafts Jenny. I know how that goes I know I and I just like when I look back. It's like that hindsight is 20 20 Like when I look back at it. I think oh my god like you know Why do you think I was sitting there going like It's all defense mechanisms So I don't know maybe you have to go back to your original partner for this one for the prestige draft I this was the first year. We did partners. It's always been so low before. Yeah, so I'll leave that decision to you. I I love it. I think it's great, but boy was it exhausting to care about You cared too much Well, if I have a fault Love the damn movies. Yeah Oops, I'm not the subject. I'm the creator. I am the creator of this content. I Was putting in the wrong fields That's good TV people talking about entering fields on a form Yep I'm trying to think what else is going on, but literally there's almost nothing going on You're like all I could think about is heat Sitting very still it's hard to watch TV because it's big old TV and generates a bunch of heat So although I did I did catch up on two seasons worth of Grey's Anatomy. Oh, wow I never thought I'd watch again Just because oh my god, there's been ten seasons of it But I'll tell you what there's something to be said for a quality one-hour drama with really good actors I lean has kept watching that too, and I've watched it on and off with her over the years I'm not I don't care if I miss episodes, but every time I dip back in I'm like Doing the same show, but it's it's at the same level. I haven't they don't seem to have dropped off Yeah, I mean it's it's really it is a there aren't a lot of hour-longs that have done these You know a decade of shows anymore like barely they last so That's as it is an accomplishment Something to be said so that was my big like like I'm just gonna watch these like a zombie August I was gonna say it's a modern-day mash, but I guess it's more of a modern-day er Yeah, it that was the other thing too is that that got us talking about er and Matt and I were like Do you remember do you remember and they were like oh my god? We're old Because like if er was now the old thing like that's why I was like I can't because I Would meet I always think of Grey's Anatomy as being like er and I'm like well I can't say modern-day er er's new and then I'm like No, no, it's not remember like thinking er was like the gold goddamn standard of television like yesterday You know in terms of like that hour long. Yeah It was the thing that was always on yeah I know and now like oh Matt Matt and I were comparing like Plot notes of what we remembered from er which was a fun game because like I remembered three things if you remembered like several seasons worth of content I never actually watched yes. I yes, and thank you are absolutely correct. Oh, you never watched er Yeah, there were there were many many a show I missed in that in that time But I happen to be around for around TV or er Yeah, I knew I knew of it, and I knew people who watched it I know I had never watched an entire episode of friends until 2001. I don't think wow Yeah, the 90s were lost for Yeah, I want to watch I watched Star Trek next generation deep space nine Voyager Watched all those in the 90s. I Guess that must be it Yeah Movies I would go to movies kept kipper seen elsewhere and and Hill Street blues were the like the jet the slight generation Before the er juggernaut. They were the ones that were like quality hour-long drama renaissance They bridged the mash gap. Yep. Yeah, especially for medical Um There are great There are just great books about like the evolution of the golden age of television and like how many eras there were and blah blah blah That are out now and it does a really good job of tracing that evolution. It's really quite fantastic Yep Thursday nights at 10 those are the good old must see Thursdays when ratings were only for one medium Pretty awesome If you are a writer of these shows does that make you good at procedural generation Yes, I pretty much believe that like there's a castle can dream up an episode of castle in their sleep It's just like Formula and you either apply the formula or you twist the formula or you you know do a mockery of your own formula. It's really quite Interesting to watch it unfold over several seasons By the way castle did one of the better episodes about time travel ever How about them apples and one of the best firefly references? Well, yeah Actually many of those but particularly thinking of the halloween one. Yeah, that was amazing. Yeah, um, but uh, uh There is an episode of castle from I think a recent season That perfectly pulled off a time travel story while also perfectly being plausible that it wasn't a time travel story Gotcha, they nailed it. It was so impressively saved it. Yeah Well, I'm out of the post. All right, and I'm Going to do three episodes of sword and laser later today. Oh gosh. Well have fun with that Uh, so bye everybody. Bye everybody. See you in a bit