 Okay, so we're broadcasting now, Erin. Yes. Okay, so yeah, we do have one person. Ted Parker is actually here. So one person from the public. And so tonight is August 26. This is the Amherst Conservation Commission meeting. And so why don't we just start off by going down the agenda. So as Erin was saying, Dave is not here. There's no comments for me at this point. So, Erin, do you want to take it over? Sure. Sorry. It's a little it's a little confusing because I've got I'm remoted into my work computer in order to get all access to all my documents. So hopefully you guys can see the agenda here. Yes. Okay, so 710. We are expected to have a presentation from Hannah from Coles. She works for Coles. So I'm going to take a look at the the storybook trail proposal at the Mill River. And since that's not on yet, maybe I'll just jump into some other business. That's kind of land use related. At the last meeting we had gotten a request from an individual who wanted to create an outdoor education program for young children and use conservation land. She had proposed using the Hitchcock Center in Larch Hill and Dave and I had talked about this offline as we had said we would and what we had come up with and this is a totally up to the commission obviously but what we had suggested was that we approve for one season and for the program to be at the Mill River Recreation Area because there are public restrooms there whereas at Hitchcock Center that public restrooms are not safe right now for the public to use. But Mill River they're open and running but that if they do proceed that they would have to follow all COVID state COVID protocols and that they could only operate when the restrooms are open. And just to test it for one season and see how it goes basically. That's kind of what we thought might be a good trial just to test it out and see if the program worked. So it's up to you guys. Just to kind of refresh your memory she's proposing to do kind of like a couple hour a day child care kind of program as like an outdoor education component just to get kids out in the woods and to really respect social distancing and kind of keeping kids separated as much as possible wearing masks when they have to but just so that kids can have some safe contact with one another and be outside. And you said one season here Aaron so that means for the fall? Yes. Okay and the restrooms there are open in the fall I know they're open to the summer. I don't know when they close to be honest with you. That's a good question. But I can talk to Dave and find that out and we can coordinate with the applicant on that. Okay and they have full insurance? I think they do. She said that she was setting up full insurance just like a full child care program would. But that could be a condition as well. Yeah I mean we would need that for legal issues on our side. And then the other issue I had last time I don't know where this fell was what about equal access to people with lower incomes. That's a good question. I can pose that question to the applicant or we could just condition that Equal access is provided for low income people as part of the approval. I mean there's lots of different ways for that to go about I personally wouldn't want to condition that. You know it could be everywhere from you know pay what you can to scholarships. It's a little daisy. Okay I can contact her and ask her. Can we just say that we encourage it not that we condition it but that we encourage it Brett. We could. Yeah I mean my problem Laura is I mean this is a fee based program on public lands. Yeah you know and so I would want I don't know it just kind of. I hear what you're saying okay so Erin let us know what she says. Okay. This is the second thing I'm thinking about is what's going on with the state. I'm thinking about the state because. It's like where does she look for guidelines on how she goes about. Providing low income opportunities here. The state is so, so tough to deal with right now. For. Early education. I think what Brett is saying is maybe just allow some kids to go without, piece. Yeah, then, you know, that's, I mean, yeah, it's have to be consistent. Like if we're going to ask for a low income requirement on this, every four fee event that we've had allowed on a conservation land, then we also should do that as a standard condition. I think we, I don't know if we've done it as sort of a standard, Jen, but I know that we've definitely had this in the past. I'm not against it. I just, I, I think it's not, it's a heavy lift for the coordinator to figure out how to do that in a consistent way with state, with the state guidelines that they are right now. So, okay, yeah, I mean, they can come back to us and say it's not feasible as well, but I mean, as long as they try and you don't make a good faith effort, I'm okay. Okay. So I mean, there's a couple ways I could go about doing this. I could, we could just approve, you know, make a motion to approve with specific conditions. And, or I could go back and speak to her and say, you know, the commission is amenable to this, but wants to know more information about these specific items. I mean, I know a lot of these programs are trying to open at the beginning of September. And our next meeting isn't until September 9th. So that might hold up getting started. But I could certainly report back on the equal access question. And really, it's up to you guys what you think as far as approval or recommendation. And Aaron, is there any reason that this applicant hasn't attended one of our meetings? I mean, if they just attended one of this meeting or last one, things would have been a lot easier. And in general, people do attend at least one. Yeah, so this land use application came in through Brad. And I just never had like direct phone contact with the person to invite them to a meeting. In the past, sometimes people submitting land use applications came to meetings and sometimes they didn't. So I didn't know kind of the protocol, but if in the future anybody who submits one of these, I should extend an invitation to attend a meeting, I'd be more than happy to do that. I, you know, probably should have explored that before now to make this easier. But Yeah, I mean, I think an invitation, it's not a requirement. I mean, some of these are pretty straightforward. But, you know, because they're not here, it definitely delays things is my I do. I mean, I want to circle back to what Jen was saying earlier around accessibility. And I think that it's something whether for this one or not, because I hear you saying like our next meeting is the end of September. And so or mid whenever in September. But I think a larger conversation about kind of a standard standard set of expectations around accessibility would be really worth having. If at one point we have a meeting where we can dive into that around land use, I think that would be a worthwhile conversation. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and it brings to mind a lot of questions to like just the the equal access question. I mean, as far as like our our the cross section of people that are going to be invited to attend, you know, or I mean, I don't know, I guess I'm just thinking like this should be like an all inclusive equal access, you know, everybody welcome to participate kind of program, as opposed to like exclusive to a certain group of people or something like that, if that makes sense. Because it's on town lands. I think that that is really very reasonable thing to require. I mean, is there anything like this for use of like the community center or any other town, not lands, but other town spaces? Is there any sort of precedent here? That's a good question. And also Aaron, just to clarify, it's not only like equal access, it's equal ability to like or maybe this is a clarifying question, Brett, do you mean equal access like anyone can sign up? Or do you mean it should there should be opportunities for people who would otherwise not be able to afford childcare at this price point to have an option to have financial assistance or have some like lower tuition openings, you know, because there's two things there, right? There's access, like everyone knows about it, and then there's or there's how do you cap the size of the class and then there's like actual economic access. Well, what's what's, you know, one of the things is it sounds like a recently good idea to try something like this. And we are in a time constraint in terms of what can happen. What if we tentatively approve it with some expectation that the next time we need or thereabouts, the person is come going to come back and explain these issues. And if we point out some of the issues, that may all get addressed. I think that's a great idea. Well, but the problem, I mean, I like that as a general approach Larry, the only problem is I think that they want to start this up. And so once they started up, the horse is out of the barn at that point. But the point I was making is that allows them to begin going and we point out our concerns. So therefore they may address those in the process of trying to do this trial thing. I mean, we're not, you know, it's, if we point out we've got, we have concerns, we're indicating that in the future this may not occur unless these concerns are taken care of. So therefore allow them to start because of the kind of constraints we have with these kind of guidelines, maybe make sense. Yeah. And also I do wonder to echo Larry's point, if we, if we did delay a decision until September, is that too late for her to start? No, Jen's saying no, I'm looking at your, I mean, I don't know. I don't know. These are all over the place right now, like someone's late already, like to be consistent with public schools, others are opening. Got it. Okay. It's, it's more about approval from the state. Having a plan that meets, meets COVID safety guidelines is really, really hard on these daycare facilities, organizations. Well, I think that that, that in and of itself is a great point, obviously, that they need to have that state approval, you know, to proceed. I mean, what is the age group that they're aiming for? Somebody said I didn't think it was preschool though. I thought it was slightly older. I don't think it may not really matter. I don't think it's age specific. I think it's, you know, you have to be a state registered program. Well, again, we can carry it in that way that we subject to their getting approval by the state. We have some of these kind of conditions so allowing her to proceed through the getting approval from the state and hopefully addressing our issues at the same time. What I'm trying to just get around the idea that it gets stalled for next year. Yep. But I mean, is there anything in here that it does need state approval? Or is that something that she does? I mean, says that she's following recommendations, but yeah, I'm not necessarily saying we require state approval. I'm just saying if state, that's up to her to determine if the program she's creating requires state approval. And if so, that she would need to acquire that prior to well, it's not a child care or a daycare parents go. Yeah, I'm just reading that. Yeah, so it's four to six and their parents. Yeah. Which for me brings up other accessibility issues, but I'm going to let it go. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the fact that it's not a daycare and it's not that kind of program kind of does shift my mindset a little bit because it seems like a different type of program. But what keeps catching me is like, again, the use of public lands to generate revenue for what seems like a really cool program. But I just I think that that's where my concern is coming in is I think we need to pay attention to accessibility of programs that are being offered in our spaces, because if they're taking up, you know, a large area of Mill River, that's then now not usable by other people coming in, that's something we need to be aware of and make sure that we are accepting responsibility for that decision. I'm still waiting on the exemption licensure from EEC. So this program is going to be exempt from the EEC program guidelines. No, it said up, if you scroll up, I think it said it was following EEC and CDC. Yeah, but right now, stop, stop, stop, wait. It says, I am still waiting on the exemption licensure from EEC. Yep. This this paperwork has been with EEC for two months and I do hope it's ready soon. The stats on like EEC opening for any sort of program. It's really bad. Okay. Yeah. And I like the general idea that you had, Larry. Yeah, I can definitely support that. So provide some guidelines. Again, state that it is for a single season, you know, make some attempts to, you know, go forth. So a good faith effort and then yeah, see where it goes from there. Should we make a motion to that effect or do you guys want to just have kind of a consensus and I could invite her back to address some of the questions at the next meeting? I mean, it sounds like she might need to be going sooner though. I mean, I'd like to see her stand starting so she can begin doing something about it. Rather than waiting on us before she proceeds. Okay. Well, then why don't, would somebody be comfortable making a motion to tentatively approve the use of Mill River Recreation Area for one season following COVID protocols? And can I ask a clarifier? Sorry. I'm down as radical of like, she has, what did she say? It's not that many people, right? 11 or something? 10 people, I think. So 10 kids plus parents, parent. Okay. And so I guess my question is just what happens with other people also want to use the space in the land? I think that that's just my only question around land use in general. What's our policy around if another group comes in, can they say no, no, no, we have like from here to here and you can't, you know, come in, not come in the Mill River, but well, we could put that in a motion that we expect them to coexist with other people trying to use the space. Yeah, I wasn't sure if there was anything when we are approving land use requests. That means like exclusive basically for that area that they've identified. Thank you. Okay. Okay. So do you want me to kind of run through the conditions a little bit that were discussed so that a motion could be more easily made? Okay. So tentatively approved for one season, COVID protocols would have to be followed only to be allowed to be used when the restrooms are open. Coexistence with other groups? Yep. Coexistence with other groups that they get their exemption or follow the requirements of the state and that we would ask that she provide some explanation in how she's going to encourage equal access for low income equal opportunity for people to attend the program. Considering that it's on public land. And proof of insurance Aaron as well. And proof of insurance. Okay. So I hear a motion. Who said that? Is that Larry? Yeah. So looking for a second. Seconded. Okay. So LaRoy seconded. So Anna, you're on mute. Sorry. I. LaRoy. I. Larry. I. Jen. I. Laura. I. And I for me as well. Okay. So you're all set on this one from us, Aaron? Yes. Thank you. So let's see if if Hannah is in attendance. Yep. She is. So I'm not sure. I'm gonna promote Hannah to a panelist so that she can speak. I'm sorry. Which one is Hannah here for? Hannah is here for the storybook. Storybook trail. Hang on. Let me get rid of this fake background from earlier today. All right. Thank you. Thanks for your patience. So welcome Hannah. And so if you this was introduced to us last time and there's general, you know, I think excitement support for it. Great. But yeah, if you can provide some, you know, a little bit of background and some details, that'd be great. Sure. Absolutely. Did everyone have a chance to, you said, talk about it and read the proposal too, just so I'm not making y'all sit through. I wasn't here last time, so a little bit of fancy background. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. And I'm sorry. Hannah, before you start, could you just introduce yourself as well for the record? Oh, yes, absolutely. I'm Hannah Rex Shoppin. I'm the director of Placemaking for Kohl's working in the Mildistert in North Amherst. Thank you. Yeah, sure. So my job is centered around usually a lot of events and gatherings and creating spaces that people can gather. And in this time of COVID, I've had to shift quite a lot. So I've been looking for ways to activate different spaces in the community that people can enjoy at their own pace, in their own time, in ways that they feel comfortable. So a story walk, which was actually started in Vermont and has been replicated all over the world, is a pretty simple installation, usually along an already often traveled path that is as accessible as possible. And it places pedestals along the walkway, and then pages of a storybook, usually two at a time on the top of those pedestals at average child height so that they can be enjoyed primarily by children, but also by anyone who's using the path. And the great thing about them is that they're designed in such a way that the book can be changed out. So for instance, we would start with one book. Our plan is to have it be all local authors, and maybe some local illustrators as well, because it's part of a larger campaign that we're doing in the Mill District to draw more attention to the unbelievable community of authors that exists in Amherst and the Valley as a whole. So you print a book, laminate the pages of it, put it on the pedestals along the walkway, and then you can change it out every month. So we'd love to partner with Jones Library, partner with some other bookstores in town, partner with the authors themselves. And the plan is to have the story walk be able to be changed from April until late October, and then the pedestals would be covered in the wintertime to hopefully make them last as long as possible. And we have a commitment from Cole's Building Supply to donate the pedestals in kind so they would build them and then also replace them in the future as needed. They're going to be on town land. They would be on town land. We do have Cole's does own a portion of land in the Mill District on the Robert Frost Trail, and that was where the idea first sort of started. But it's just not a trail that is very accessible to children. It's a great hiking trail. I encourage everyone to get out there. But for kids, it's a little tougher. And so we were hoping that a space closer in would be more accessible, not only to children, but to people who are differently abled. So we just felt like it was a smoother path between Mill River Recreation and Puffer's Pond. Okay. And so you're still thinking about a total of 18? Yes. Yeah, I think the average children's book I think will fit on 18 pedestals. And then obviously you're dealing with all of the copyright issues and similar? So interestingly, if you purchase a book and take it apart yourself without reproducing any of the pages with the approval of the author, if you can get it especially, you're allowed to do it. That's how a lot of libraries have gotten away with doing it. So we do have permission from this first author. And my hope is to tell every author that we can that we're using their book and get them out to do stuff with it. But as far as copyright issues, the way around it is to kind of DIY the pages out of a book. Yeah. And we actually did something similar for with the Eric Karl Museum a few years ago. Oh, cool. And because we actually, Conservation Land is actually on top of Bear Mountain, which makes no sense. But it is beautiful. Yeah. So there's a bunch of other ones. Awesome. Similar, but not a whole lot of words, I think. So what about the list of authors or books? I doubt there's anything controversial you guys are planning, but we have no controversial children's books planned. I don't have a list compiled, but I can certainly get you one. We're actually compiling one for another part of this sort of larger campaign. So I could definitely get a list. And then we'd also be open to suggestions if we end up partnering with different groups. There's so many ways that story walk can like really be plugged into community building. So not just necessarily literary partners right from the get go, but partnering with different local organizations that might have books that appeal to their population that they're directly serving. We can draw a lot of attention to different issues. There are so many great children's books out there. So I can definitely provide a list of what we would do. And then we'd be very open to partnering with other groups that might have ideas as well. How about us suggesting you coordinate those choices with something like the Jones Library? Coordinate. I'm not saying, you know, but coordinate becoming like the Jones Library. Absolutely. I can also as a parent say that some bugs is very equal opportunity to bugs. Like it really features a wider. Yeah, but the point is very representative. Yeah, no, I think that's awesome. And we I put this in the proposal, but when I read it back over, it was a little unclear. In non COVID times, we do a really awesome story hour every week in the middle district in North Amherst, which we partner with the North Amherst Library, the most beautiful library building ever. We partner with them to come and read stories. So that's another nice thing in the future on ideally the other side of all of this is that if we can get back to story times that are where there's live reading happening, we could even coordinate those books or have the story that's in the woods read to encourage kids to get excited about it and go out and find it in the woods after they hear it from their librarian. So we will definitely keep building that partnership. So since kids can read a book over and over, we're not worried about exhaustion there. And who's actually so I heard you say that Coles is going to be donating materials, which is great. But who will actually be installing and then eventually they will deteriorate and who will uninstall if that's word? Yeah, we can oversee that. And certainly we have a very communicative community. So I'm sure if we have our information specifically my information out there, probably on the last post, I'll have some contact information should anybody need it. I'm sure we have neighbors who will let us know when things need to be replaced or if anything happens. Yeah. And I'm sorry, Aaron, I'm just seeing your notes now. And so it looks like the Brad or somebody else from the town will do the installation. Yeah. And this is from a conversation that I had had with Dave Zomek earlier today. Just the design as far as like, you know, there was multiple designs that were on the proposal itself, like whatever that final design is, like we could just maybe provide that to Dave, make sure that, you know, his stamp of approval is on it. And then once they're fabricated, our town staff would install them. But of course, if there is damage or something like that, there would be no problem. I don't think with having contact information to, you know, arrange for repairs or replacement. Definitely. And if it's the kind of thing to, if you all let me know who I reach out to, then if I hear something has happened to it, I can certainly contact Brad or Dave and just see if they want us to go out and fix something or if they'd prefer to do it, which is great. Our foresters will really appreciate it. Cause I was like, can someone do this for me? Yeah. And just from my perspective, the town I used to work in, the town of Sturbridge did something almost exactly the same as probably the same exact program. And it was wildly successful. I think kids loved it. It's an unbelievably light touch easy activation. I mean, it just, people have done it all over the place and it really, it's just a nice way to get people outside and also kind of engaging different senses. And this first book, Some Bugs, is clearly about neighbors that will be very present in the woods. And so there are a lot of different books that can tie into things. It's awesome. It's really just a fun thing. I did one in Philadelphia when I was still working there. And it just, it's so cool. And is there going to be any branding on the signs from Coles? Or are there just generic signs, like by Coles or anything like that? Yeah, we will definitely have information probably on the last post about where everything is coming from. And I don't know that we need necessarily to brand every pedestal, but I can also ask Coles building supplies since they are the ones donating the materials, if they would like their logo on it or something like that, is that something that everyone would be open to? I should have asked them. Yeah. I mean, I guess I'm personally more in favor. I mean, I think that who pays for it does deserve credit, but it needs to be at the right level. So yeah, I mean, just one I think is a great thing. Okay. Everyone might be a little much kind of depends on how big it is too. Yeah, absolutely. They're pretty low key at Coles building supply. I don't think they're looking for a lot of I don't think they are. We do have a question from the public. Anything else from any of the commissioners? Okay. So there was Kendra, you had your hand raised and let's see if I can you can talk. Okay. Can you hear us? Yes, we can. Hi, well, my name is David. I'm actually with my wife Kendra and I as a resident of that area who walks in that neighborhood or in on that trail a lot. I love this idea. Some bugs is one of my favorite books. And we have a toddler who loves this book too. There's so many opportunities to learn about bugs and to move your body. It's just an amazing book for so many different ages. So as a as a resident and a parent, I love this idea. Hannah, I think we've met in passing it maybe a farmer's market. I work at the forum. So I just wanted to say in that regard, I would be happy to help as a resource in terms of connecting with authors and illustrators, you know, being a sounding board for different books. And I love the idea of incorporating some kind of programming and live events that could be tied in. So we should talk elsewhere. I don't know if you're providing your contact info in this setting or not. Is there a way for me to share contact info? That's so cool. If the gentleman speaking wants to email me, and then I can forward it along to Hannah, so that you guys can connect. I mean, that's one way to do this. And my email is J-A-C-U-U-E at amherstma.gov. Got it. Thanks. That is awesome. Tell me your name again. David. David. I'm a literacy educator. Yes. Oh my gosh. This is so exciting. Thank you. Thank you. I'm very excited about this idea. Excellent. Okay. Thank you, David and Kendra. Okay. So anything else that we want to... Sorry, I'm just gonna change that. Okay. Anything else that we need to talk about in regards to this? I mean, it sounds like everybody is super supportive of it, Hannah. I don't see any issues with some coordination pieces, but you're on top of all of that, so that's all great. Totally. So, Erin, do you need a vote from us at this point? I mean, it's really what the commission's comfortable with if you want to make a motion to, you know, encourage it with conditions or if you just want to kind of informally proceed and kind of everybody's... There's a consensus amongst everybody that this is a positive thing that the commission wants to move forward with. Aren't we the ones that have to give permission to use the land? So I... Yeah. Yes. The commission is the manager of the land, but I think that Dave and town staff does have some management authority for some things, so as long as we know the commission's on board, I'm not sure that a motion is necessary, but it's really at your discretion. Yeah, because we're gonna be the ones installing at Larry, and so I think we're good on everything. Okay. So yeah, I mean, I think we have full consensus just if we need something stronger. Are we okay? Does anybody want to vote on this? No. Okay. So I can... I think this all sounds great, so thank you very much. Erin, if there's something else you need from us, just let us know. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate your time. Thank you, Ann. I look forward to reading this book, which I have not read yet. Oh, it's so great. It's so great. You're gonna love it. Ten nos. I could recite it to you now, but I'll leave you... I'll leave the suspense, Brad. Well, I want to see like some sort of movements apparently, too. Yes. Don't you worry. There's a lot going on in the bug world. There's some drama. It even has like a bug index at the end. Yeah, it's so cool. And it's by a local author. She's amazing, Angela Deterlizzi. She has a new one, Some Pets. It's so good. Awesome. Thank you all. Thank you, Anna. Okay, bye-bye. Okay, so I will put Anna back to attendee. Okay. And so I have 740, so we are good to continue with the agenda, which I'm just trying to put the agenda on the calendar. So 730 is a notice of intent. And so this is for Eversource, and GZA is going to be presenting this one. So I will call up... So, Ann, we have not opened this one yet? No, no. This is just opening tonight. Okay. So this hearing is being held as required by the provisions of Chapter 131, Section 40. The general laws of the Commonwealth and Act relative to the protections of the wetlands is most recently amended and the town of Amherst Wetlands bylaw. This again is by Eversource, and this is for the replacement of 36 structures and ancillary activities related to the structures and replacement located within Wetlands Protection Act and Town of Wetlands Protection Bylaw Jurisdiction. Okay, so if you are here to present on this, it looks like, Aaron, you got Robin and Mary and John. Okay, if there's anybody else here to present on this, if you just want to raise your hand, we can make your presenter. And if not, I'm not quite sure which one of you, Mary, if you're taking the lead today. So if one of you wants to introduce yourselves, give us a little bit of background. After that, we'll turn it over to Aaron to provide a little bit of background about site visit, and then we'll open it up to the commission and then go to the general public. All right, sounds good. Thank you. I'm Mary Britton from GZA. I'm here with also on the line that we have Steve Riberty and Robin Cascioppo, also from GZA and the Jonathan Roberish from Eversource. So again, this project is a notice of intent for the replacement of 36 structures on the transmission line, and the line runs north to south through Amherst. Last year, some select structures were replaced along this line as part of our priority structure replacement project. So for this structure, we're going to be replacing the remaining 90 structures and 36 of which are associated with wetlands or resource areas, subject to this notice of intent. But we met with Aaron and Brett this morning in the field and took a look at a few of these areas. The vast majority of the work is associated with temporary matting in wetlands, and then also some temporary matting in riverfront areas. And that temporary matting will result in no permanent impact. This project is very similar to the other Eversource projects that are done in West Massachusetts for structural replacements. So there are some new permanent impacts that we have to permit for, and so we'll go over those. We have 620 square feet of permanent impact to bordering vegetated wetland, and that's from the installation of the replacement structures within the wetland. We're able to reduce this net loss by plan to remove the footings from the existing structures and do an in-situ restoration. So the net loss is only 620 square feet of BVW. We also have 5252 square feet of permanent riverfront impact, and that's from the placement of gravel for work paths and access roads and structural placements within riverfronts. There's also impacts to buffer zone. We've approximate two acres of the gravel workpads will be in buffer zones, and of that two acres only about 0.3 acres, 14 percent is located within that 25-foot conservation area closest to the wetland areas. We've done, Eversource has done a lot of measures to reduce gravel within that 25-foot buffer to the wetland areas. We have demonstrated internals and intent and impacts do meet the performance standards, and so I'm going to turn us over to Steve if he wants to talk about our mitigation that we have proposed for this project. Yeah, and if either of you want Erin to pull up the plans or anything like that, just let us know. Yeah, hi, I'm Steve Riberty, ecologist at GZA for the record. Yeah, so before I get into the mitigation, another aspect of the project is we're going to be doing some transplantation of a rare plant as part of our permit with mass natural heritage. Some of that's in a wetland as well, so the plant needs to move because it's going to be permanently impacted and to preserve it for our permit with mass natural heritage. We're going to be relocating it, you know, very nearby. It's just going to be shifted a little bit out of where the matting is going to go, so it's not permanently impacted by the mats. So that'll all be hand work and, you know, hand pulling of invasives around where the transplants are going. That's an additional work item that we're going to be doing. Mitigation wise, you know, for the permanent loss to BBW, the 600 square feet, we're proposing a wetland creation on site. It's just south of Strong Street. There's an area there that's already a wetland, right next to that. We're going to expand that wetland slightly larger by 1400 square feet to give greater than two to one for the lost wetland. You know, the area is pretty close to being a wetland now, so we don't have to do a lot of grading to make that work. The matted road is going to be right there next to it, so it can be easily constructed and monitored during the construction because this project is going to go on for a little while, so that access road will be there if we need to tweak that wetland during construction at all. That wetland mitigation plan was provided today. We had an original wetland that we changed the concept of our mitigation, so we were basically building a wetland as part of this project now, which is now part of this permit. For Riverfront, we're doing a couple different things. We're going to be doing some beaver mitigation off Pomeroy Court, which will be active beaver management during the whole project, which will be probably a year and a half to two years of managing the beavers. I guess it's on the east side of Pomeroy Court, where there's a lot of backup and issues now that the town hasn't been able to address, and it also threatens safety issues within the ever-sourced right of way during work. Also, we're working with the town to help repair the bridge in Amethyst Brook by providing some poles so that bridge can get reinstalled and potentially blocking off that short circuit trail that's kind of eroding around the banks and all the foot traffic that's going over there. Once that bridge is put back into operation, that trail can be cut off and that Riverfront area and banks were stored along the Brook, so we're going to assist the town in that endeavor as well. That's the mitigation that we're proposing as part of this project to help offset the impacts that, you know, the necessary impacts that are being, you know, incurred by the proposed work. Also, I forgot to mention that one of the things we looked at during our sidewalk was an area where ever-sourced plans to install permanent bridge over, it's an unnamed stream, intermittent stream, south of Bay Road. The permanent bridge would provide access to multiple structures south of there, so we did provide Erin an addendum with a group specification for that project, that portion of the project. Anything else, Mary or Steve? So I just want to, if I could just state for just to jump on top of what Steve just said, the repair of the bridge at Amethyst Brook is basically because right now, because the bridge washed out, people are cutting right up along Amethyst Brook and the entire bank of the Brook along a huge stretch has had a ton of foot traffic on it and there's no vegetation, it's becoming really compacted and it's got a terrible undercut and it's just, it's becoming really dangerous and also just really damaging the bank of the river. So by repairing that bridge and restricting access over the portion that people are walking over, sort of the reroute, the unofficial reroute area, it will be tremendously beneficial, so that's that's one of the reasons why I pushed them in that direction for riverfront mitigation, so I just wanted to state that because it wasn't necessarily explicitly stated. When will that take place during the project? Again? When will that take place during the project? So from what I understand, the mitigation is going to be happening before the work actually takes place and that would be the wetland creation and the riverfront mitigation, but correct me if I'm wrong you guys. Correct. Once the matted road goes in, we can start building the wetland, so it'll be when the mats go in but before the poles are going in and the work with the town on Amethyst Brook is, you know, we're in discussions now with the, was it the open space group to try to connect the dots between Eversource and your folks to get that stuff done? Yeah, so he's talking about Brad the land manager, I think is who he meant. And Erin, when I downloaded the files for today, I did not get Eversource files that came through, there was a folder but it was empty, right? I wonder if it didn't upload to OneDrive because of the size possibly. We did get a revision today, I will definitely re-upload those so I apologize because I didn't know that that didn't make it in there. So I don't know if there was any other comments from the applicant or do you want to keep moving forward with the site visit pictures and stuff? Yeah, so we go to site visit, without the forms we're going to have a little, I mean, we're going to need some time to review the actual forms as well. Yeah, so DEP just issued the final number comments today and one of the final number comments was that we need natural heritage approval before we can issue the order of conditions. I don't know. I think that they said something like September 12th was the, when they were expect to have the review done by, I don't know, is that typical that they take that long or do you think that that might move faster or I guess I'm just asking the applicant? It may, I mean, I tried to talk to Lauren today just to get a sense of when, you know, she's expecting it. I know they're really backed up with a lot of stuff in front of them right now, not just in general, there's been a lot going on. Yeah. Something that's probably part of the issue. But yeah, I mean, they technically have 30 days and I think it's correct me if I'm wrong, I believe the state mandate on, you know, unlimited timelines is over and if they have timelines, they have to maintain them. So I don't know when that started up. I think it might have started up during this review window. So maybe that clock, that 30 day clock started ticking, you know, at some point in the middle of it. So maybe it's September 12th is really when their 30 days end. So I would anticipate it prior to that, but I can't really say when. Okay. Well, either way, we wouldn't be issuing tonight anyways, it sounds like, but it would give the commission an opportunity to review the revised materials and then get comments from Natural Heritage, hopefully before the meeting on the 9th. Now, is that going to mess you guys up as far as your transplanting of the climbing fern? We don't know. I think there might be other things that might mess up the climbing fern transplantation outside of this. We're waiting on MEPA too. So we need MEPA approval to have the CMP in place and that's still out there. So yeah, that's a talk to Lauren about that. I mean, worst case scenario, the climbing fern transplantation happens next year. I mean, that's not ideal. I mean, we're trying to get it done ahead of the project. And, you know, I think it condenses timelines a little bit next year because, you know, we don't know exactly the exact date the project is going to start and we don't want that to have to be holding it up. But I think if, you know, it came to it, you know, we would try to do it next year if we had to. Obviously we can't. So it would either be probably prior to October 1st, or it would then have to wait till, you know, a good, a little bit of into the growing season next year. So, you know, there's a good transplantation time. So it won't be transplanting between, you know, October to probably April. And that window, there wouldn't be any transplantation. Okay. Okay. So these are photos from the site visit today. The photo on the right is a photo of the area where, where the permanent stream crossing would be located. And just to kind of give you an idea, it's kind of like crossing over, there's a ravine that cuts through here with a stream running through it. So just to identify that. Just for a question, is that tower in the background going to be replaced? Yes. Yeah, it sounds like most of the towers are being replaced along the line at this point. And then I know utility lines. I just wanted to know if that's what was going to be done. There's actually two sets there, Larry. There's one on the east and one on the west, but the one on the west side is not being replaced. Only the east side. Okay. Okay. And they were, they came before us a little while ago and they have replaced a few of the towers. Now they're going back to the rest, it sounds like. Right. Right. So the picture on the left is the, what back here is Strong Street. The railroad track runs this way. And then, so you kind of come through this cattail swamp from Strong Street. And then this is the area of the wetland replication. And there is wetland on this side. So just to give you guys an idea of that. And in the application materials, there is a really nice color photo that kind of identifies exactly where the replication area is going to be. And there's also flagging hung in the field there for anybody who missed the site visit, if anybody wants to get out and look at it. Yeah, there's parking right along the, right next to the train tracks there. So a butter notification cards were already provided for this hearing. So that's all done. We had the site visit today to view those two areas just trying to kind of single out the biggest impact areas, biggest from our perspective areas that will need to be monitored and protected during construction. One thing that we did discuss in the field was having an environmental monitor be present. Some of the areas that stood out were the permanent stream crossing area, possibly the temporary stream crossings. The installation of the wetland replication area and work in natural heritage in dangerous species locations. I mean, obviously, natural heritage is probably going to have, you know, if there's wood turtle or box turtle, probably have sweepers out there during construction. But that would definitely be something I think that would be that we should consider as well in the order of conditions. Also, I know from looking at the bridge plans, it's a prefab bridge that would be set into place in kind of piecemeal. And one of the things that, you know, in speaking in the field, it sounded like the contractor is responsible for determining what kind of erosion controls are necessary. In that particular location for that particular structure, I think straw bales and silt fence would definitely be advisable just to have two layers of protection and something that's a little more substantial than just a straw waddle. Erin, just to go on that point. So based on one of Mark Stinson's comments was on some more detail on that bridge area. So since we're going to be pushing it out another, to the next meeting anyway, we're going to add some more information to that sheet. So we're probably going to push the abutments back by like a foot on each side. This is going to put space and we'll show the erosion controls right on that cross section plan of the crossing. Great. Excellent. So I mean, and we can come back to these conditions once the hearings continued, but I'm just kind of running through some general ones that were discussed and that I think will be needed in the order. So a condition for the replication area that it remain untouched in perpetuity. It's a replication area to mitigate wetland impacts. So it should be written into the order of conditions and be an ongoing condition in the certificate of compliance that that area is basically undisturbed in perpetuity. Oh, we also have to specifically outline work that's taking place outside of the work area. So the offsite mitigation, for example, at Amethyst Brook, we'll have to detail that in comments in the order in the special conditions of the order of conditions, just to note specifically what work is taking place and where. And then just noting that the specifically for the Amethyst Brook, riverfront restoration that that area, they're potentially going to be donating 55 foot utility poles to build the bridge. Staff has also suggested signage and I was talking to Steven in the field about this today, about possibly having, you know, if Eversource was willing to create a sign that said something like riverfront restoration area completed by Eversource and that, you know, just to restrict people to kind of discourage people from continuing to use that area along Amethyst Brook in some way. Maybe, you know, this is a high erosion area and, you know, please don't go beyond this point or something like that and possibly installation of like a split rail fence. Other options would be like boulders or brush piles or something to discourage people from continuing to use that area. Aaron, yeah, I talked with Jonathan and Eversource is okay with providing both of those things. Okay, awesome. So then I guess two other questions I have are how would the condition be recorded considering this is a right-of-way? Like what is the plan for recording the order of conditions? Where will it be recorded? And on what property would it be recorded and so forth just to understand that? And then in the DEP, we did get DEP file number and there were several comments from Mark Stinson. One of them that jumped out at me was number five, which was talking a lot about the tree removal. And that was something that I think we collectively hadn't really talked about. A lot of the tree removal in wetlands and how a lot of the forested wetland area is going to be converted and just thought it would be worth asking you guys and getting your perspective on because that's not technically considered filling a wetland or altering a wetland, but it is changing a wetland and what you see as being mitigation for that. Yeah, we do a lot of work on other projects like airports most notably where we have to clear large areas of wetland for safety issues, approach service to an airport for instance. And a lot of the times, this is different parts of the state, but it's all mass DEP. They look at it as an alteration, but not necessarily a permanent impact because you're converting one suite of habitat forested wetland to another suite of habitats, shrub wetland, which is not that it's not useful. It's a different suite of species, so you still have extensive and arguably very good wildlife habitat value. So I think Mark's comment was more like demonstrate that what we're doing isn't necessarily degrading the functions and values of that wetland. So I think after his comment, I think we can respond to that by the next meeting and have our argument as to why we think it's necessarily bad or good that we're converting it. It's just the conversion of one habitat type to another. Obviously the mitigation on that is open for discussion with the commission if they think there's something that's needed for that versus. Can I just ask, is there also tree clearing that's going to be happening in riverfront areas as well? Yes, I believe so. Numbers in front of me, but it's not extensive tree clearing, but if you add it up over the whole line, it might add up to a large number, but in any one given spot, it's like a couple trees here or maybe going out another 10 feet. For the most part, the right of way is pretty well maintained. I mean the only reason I bring that up is like we had a little distribution project on State Street where they were taking down I think like 20 trees and we were required I think $1,500 for plantings to plant in the Cushman Brook or Mill River riverfront area to mitigate for the trees being taken down. So I know you guys are doing a lot already, but that's just something that we've done in the past for mitigation as well. So putting it out there. Maybe in the interim between now and the next meeting, we can quantify what we're clearing in BBW and riverfront and maybe you can weigh it against what's going on. I mean granted, we're not going to plant trees back in the right of way. The whole point is to take them out of the right of way. Right, of course. In town or on conservation property somewhere that could use some additional plantings. We can talk with Emmer Source and all of us together and come up with a strategy. That's what makes it palatable to happen. Okay, so those are my questions and comments. I can answer your first question. What we typically do for recording and order of conditions is we put the order conditions on the closest substation. So that would be Emmer substation on College Street is what we would typically register the order conditions on. Okay. Because it is Emmer source property. Okay. Yeah, and Erin, would you mind just reiterating how this is different than the North Amherst? Oh yeah, of course. Yeah, so over the last few months I've been updating the board on multiple, there's two different ever source projects that are currently going to be taking place in Amherst. And so this is one of those projects. And so I had been briefing the commission on several of the mitigation projects. And one of them was a replication area for some wetland impacts that are going to be happening at the Podic substation. And we had discussed basically creating a replication area on conservation land to mitigate for those impacts, as well as some other things. So I just wanted to point out to the board that that project is still moving forward. It's just going to be associated with the substation notice of intent that's going to be coming down the line. So whatever source did was sort of split the mitigation that the town was requesting. And half of the mitigation is being handled by this right of way project. And the other half is being handled by the substation project. So just in case anyone was wondering why that mitigation piece wasn't included in this project, that's the reason why. Thank you Erin. Okay. So commissioners, comments or questions at this point? Granted, there's a bunch of things we're still waiting for, including sort of the plans. We'll get all that before next time. But anything you want to talk about at this point? I mean, they've done a lot of this before. We've had issues with some of these before, but we've all learned. And so that's one reason that we'll have the environmental monitors out there. I have one irrelevant question for ever source. This is based on my background. Which direction is the energy flow in this? And where's the energy coming from? Is this from Northfield pump storage? What's the energy flow on this line? Anybody know? I'd be lying if I told you I did. I know the order of the structure numbers. I don't know if it follows that. Well, obviously, these lines have lived in my neighborhood for a long time. And I spent a lifetime dealing with utility and electrical kind of issues. And I shouldn't know the answer to this, but I was just curious as to which direction the energy flow was in these lines. And if weather was related to Northfield pump storage, anyway. Better Larry, those two sets of lines that are coming from the south, one of those ends. Well, are they both coming from the south or are they going south? No, no, no. One is coming from the south because it ends at the Amherst substation. Okay, that's fine. But what about the other one? Yeah, that I don't know. No idea. Just curious. That's just irrelevant. Okay. Any other relevant or irrelevant questions? So one more thing. How many structures being replaced from the difference from last year or two years ago? A lot. What was the numbers again? So the total number in Amherst would be for this project is 90 and 36 of those are subject to or portions of the those are subject to the protection act Amherst bylaw. And I don't have the exact number off hand, but we replaced maybe 10 or so in Amherst. Last year, you know, right? That's right. Okay. Cool. Yeah, so much larger. Hopefully we don't have to come back again. As soon anyway. I'm sure the butters will appreciate that. Hopefully they've got at least a 20 year life. The ones that we're replacing now are like 6,200 years old. Is that right? Okay. So any other questions from the commission before I see if there is anybody from the public? Okay. So if there's anybody from the public who has any questions on this, if you just want to raise your hand using that feature. Okay. So I don't see it any at this point. As we mentioned, this is going to have to be continued. Our next meeting, I believe Aaron is on the ninth. But somebody was saying that there there's some paperwork we're not supposed to get to the 12th potentially. But we know the meeting is the ninth. I'll talk to Laura and I'll see if she can definitely have it before that date. Okay. Yeah. So that's the natural heritage deadline for getting us comments. But usually they're they move a little faster. But yeah, if we continue to the ninth, I think that that is our the best thing we could do. Because if we have the comments by then, then we can move forward. Okay. That sounds good. And yeah, Aaron, after they're uploaded, I can do a check to make sure that they came through in our end as well. Sounds great. Yeah, that would be great. And if anyone ever runs into that problem, let me know, because it could have been it was like interrupted when I was uploading it or something. I'm not sure why that happened. Yeah. Oh, and just as a side note too, if the commission ever can't locate an application like that on OneDrive, which is the, you know, program I use to share documents, if you go to the town of Amherst Conservation Commission page on the right hand column, there's a current applications link. And so you can go in there and get them off the internet as well. So just let and I'll upload the revisions to there so that the public can access them. Yeah, thank you for that reminder, Aaron. Okay. So do we have a time for the night? Yep. So September 9th at 7.35. Okay. And looking for a continuation motion. I move to continue this to September 9th at 7.45 p.m. 7.35. 35. Sorry, 7.35 p.m. I was so close. I know you're always... Second. I'm gonna second that. Thank you. Larry, how do you vote? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yep, yep. Nope, I got you Larry. You're good. Hi. So Fletcher. Hi. Anna. Hi. LaRoy. Hi. And I for me as well. So we'll see all of you on the 9th. Thank you all. Thank you. Bye guys. Yeah. Okay. So we'll just readjust our panel here. So it looks like you're doing that at this point, Aaron. And so if there is anybody here for the... So I think we're on to Fino, the 7.45. So obviously Ted is here for that. And so Ted, I will promote you to panelist. Is there anybody else here for that besides you, Ted? Oh, hi Ted. Nope. You're on mute at this point Ted. Hello. Good afternoon or good evening. So anybody else here with you today? No. Okay. So thank you. And so this is a continuation of the Notice of Intense for To Fino Associates. This is for lots one, two, five, six, and seven, and eight. Thank you for showing up today Ted. We did get the message that you are gonna request a continuation. So we've been going through this for a while. So we just thought it'd be nice to sort of check in with you guys and see where things are at, what progress is being made, when we can sort of expect, you know, something a little, you know, some additional information. And you know, we as a commission, we meet every two weeks, we're here no matter what, but particularly people from the public. It's a little difficult to follow that. So we want to make sure they have a good opportunity to be involved as well. That makes sense. So after the last time I appeared before you folks, I jumped right on a bunch of stuff. We got SWCA to go out and, you know, map very accurately, as accurately as possible, map the vernal pool. I actually had a site visit with Aaron. I talked with the owners and discussed the entire range of issues that were coming up. One of which was that Aaron had brought up during, if not that meeting, the one before the fact that in the original order of conditions, which was issued in 2004, that there was a replication area and there was no record of ever having that replication area be, you know, inspected and there was no partial certificate of completion issued on that. Clearly the permit, the order of conditions was still open because of the entire issue of the lots not being. So the owners said, well, let's resolve that too. Since we're doing all of this, let's try to get that on the table and get that resolved if it's not a resolved thing. So I also requested some of the original approval drawings and that took a little while to dig up those drawings. I think that eventually Beth helped Aaron dig them up. And in talking through some of the options with the owners, they were, it's a pretty significant amount of real estate that they had counted on the income from. So they wanted some time to think about things. We lost some momentum. One of the people who I consult with doesn't usually I consult with them in person when they come up in the summers from Florida, which they're not doing during COVID. So it's been a little hard. They're not a person who is very good at collaborating in the way that we're collaborating right now. So it's making it a bit of a stretch to be able to do that. And I think that's the main part of the delay, really. I would like to get it resolved. We have discussed with them many, a number of different options, reconfiguring lots, combining lots. If there are any other solutions that nobody is thinking about, but we haven't arrived at anything, I need to push them towards coming to a resolution, which I am happy to do. I just haven't done it yet. Okay, great. Thank you, Ted. And just to be clear, in your request for continuation, you're requesting for the 23rd of September, the later days. Yeah, I was looking for a month, to the end of next month. Yeah, 23rd is our second meeting. Great to hear that progress is being made. Good luck trying to figure out all that stuff. Definitely complicated. And you're the mess. Yeah, but clearly I'm responsible for coordinating it, but I just haven't been able to get all the folks into some decision making frame of mind. But I'm committed to doing that. Okay, and you're fairly confident. I don't know. You're confident that you could do that, or you're hopeful, I should say, that you can do that by the 23rd? I'm confident that I can get something that you guys can take a look at that will have some some significant, you know, progress to show you some the mapping will be done. There will be some drawings, which has vernal pool buffers on it that we can use for consideration by the commission. You know, the information that you requested that you need to actually deliberate in an informed and useful way. Okay, that sounds great. And yeah, I mean, it's been going on long enough. So if it goes on too much longer, the next option would be, we wouldn't necessarily need to close the hearing, but we would sort of table the hearing. I think that's what you called it, Aaron. And at that point, we would need to do re notification of a butters and that sort of thing. So but let's hope that we can kind of keep progress moving forward and don't have to go down that road. But that would be another option. Yeah, so let's let's let's reconvene in the month. And if that needs to happen, then that if you feel like that needs to happen, then so be it. But hopefully we'll be able to have some significant progress. But then okay. Okay, that sounds good. So Aaron, do you have any comments or commissioners have any comments or questions and then we'll open to the public? I mean, I think my only comment is, you know, I've been a conservation agent for maybe 10 or 12 years now. And this is the second set of well, it's a set of hearings really, because there's multiple notice of intent, but I've only had one other notice of intent that went over a year. So it's very unusual to drag out a project this long. And just for the sake of a butter fatigue in following the situation that I would just really push for I I know the situation that Ted is in, but just that if we could get the information that's needed for us to make a decision that would be particularly useful just because I get a lot of emails and comments, every single meeting asking about it. And it's just it's it's very resource intensive for the conservation department to respond to everything and be dealing with complaints about it taking so long and stuff like that. So just would encourage in any way we can to keep it moving towards resolution. Okay, so any other do any of the commissioners have any comments? So it's echoing what Aaron was saying. Okay, so if there's anybody from the public who has anything they'd like to say that you can just raise your hand and then we will allow that to happen. Okay, so I'm not seeing any at this point. So that means that we're looking for a motion for continuation and this would be for September 23rd. And what is the magical timer? Sorry, 7 30 p.m. I was on mute. The anticipation was killing me. I was like, oh my god. I'll make the motion. We'll move this to Fino NY to September 27th at 7 30 23rd. And this is for lots one, two, five, six, seven and eight. Thank you, Fletcher. Okay, thank you for seconding, Jen. So Larry, your vote. You're on mute. So you have to yell really loud or like four times. I have my space bar. Hi, Jen. Hi, Fletcher. Hi, Anna. Hi, and the Roy. And I for me as well. So thank you, Ted. So we will see you on the 23rd and any materials that you can send to Erin ahead of time and the further ahead of time, the much appreciated. Very good. Thank you all. Thank you. Okay, so moving on down the line. So yep. So we are fine to start up our eight o'clock, which is a request for determination. This meeting is being held as required by the provisions of chapter 131 section 40, the general laws of the Commonwealth and act relative to the protections of wetlands is most recently amended in the town of Amherst wetlands protection bylaw. This is a request for determination on from cold spring environmental on behalf of Kim De Shields. And this is for 97 whole street map 20 70 lots 74. And so Alan Weiss and we are promoting you to panelists. And so Alan, if you wouldn't mind giving us introducing yourself and providing a little bit of background, that'd be great. Unmuted and we have video. Yes, great. We're here. Yes. How are you folks? I first will apologize that my battery disappointed me last meeting. I was going great and then it went out. Here we are. And we are probably doing more in a appropriate time in terms of butter notification and the project at hand. But just to reiterate, we just simply had a septic replacement that we were filing an RDA for last month. And at the suggestion of Ed Smith and Aaron, Jack, we went for emergency certification under the public health criteria of the septic really needing to be replaced as soon as possible. And I'm happy to say that work is done. I forwarded Aaron, both in Asgilt, which Ed Smith and I are in agreement is fine. The job is done to in effect. The site has been properly completed. Siltation control is up. Stura mulch is up. The system was put in as planned with no complications. More than happy to go into more detail if you'd like, but that's the summary story. Okay, excellent. Thank you, Ellen. So Aaron, do you have some specifics you want to share? Sure. So this is located at 97 Holst Road. LaRoy and I actually went out and took a site walk prior to the last meeting. The only reason we couldn't open the hearing at the last meeting was because a butter notifications had gone out a little bit later. And we still do need the a butter notification cards from Larry. So I'll hold off on releasing the determination until we get those. But I don't think there's any problem with issuing the approval at this point. The work has been done. It was permitted through the emergency certification. We just required the request as an after the fact sort of administrative permit because that's what would have been required if it had not been an emergency. And let me see. This is what the current and Alan just sent this over to me. So the site has been mulched and work is complete on the site. So I would just recommend that the commission issue a negative determination. It's a, I believe it's box three. It's the work in a buffer zone, but it won't alter a wetland and also a positive determination under the local bylaw. And no conditions needed on this one? There was conditions listed in the emergency certification. And I think really just that the site be stabilized is really the the only condition I would recommend since all work is completed at this point. Okay. So any comments or questions from the commission? So there's one person from the public, Michael Lou, but I assume he's here for the next meeting. But Michael, if you have anything you want to say, just raise your hand. Okay. So not hearing anything. I guess we're looking for a motion with those determinations and those conditions. So I make a motion to this is a negative determination. Yes. Yeah, I make a motion for a negative termination for emergency emergency cert, correct? It's after the fact determination of applicability. After the fact determination of applicability on 97 Holster Road with the conditions and stabilization required. Seconded. Okay. Thank you. So vote. So Jen. Hi. Letcher. Hi. Larry. Hi. Anna. Hi. LaRoy. Hi. And I from me as well. So I think we are good, Allen. And so you should be receiving some paperwork from Erin shortly. Thank you. Two things. I'll remind Larry to send those into you, Erin. And also I'll keep an eye on things over the next few weeks as we wander through our tropical storm and thunderstorm season. That'd be great. Thank you. Take care. Good night. Bye-bye. Okay. So that concludes the, you know, everything that's on our official item list. So Erin, I assume that we want to do the Commonwealth stuff now since we have Michael with us. Other common school. Yes. Yeah. I will promote you to panelists. And so Erin, can you just sort of set us up for this one? Yeah. So this past week, Mike Liu had communicated with me that there was due to COVID, there are some temporary learning areas that the common school needs to construct in order to administer some outdoor learning. And so they had planned four outdoor learning areas and basically started construction on them. And once I got the notification that construction began, I was like, whoa, stop the train. You need to get approval before you can do this myself. And Dave Zomek met with Mike and Kevin from the common school as well as the site supervisor. I basically had recommended that one of the learning areas be eliminated from the project because it was located in the 30 foot no disturb area, which had already been excavated, but they have mulched it and seeded it or mulched it and covered it at this point. And it has erosion controls around it. So they've sort of tried to mitigate the fact that they had done that work. But we do have a revised plan from them, which I'll pull up momentarily unless Mike wants to pull it up on his end. But I also have access to it to kind of explain the changes. Mike, I'm not sure if you need an introduction here, but if you want to introduce yourself and then adding what you like. Absolutely. Yeah, I'm Michael Liu with the Berkshire design group representing the common school. I should note that Kevin Campbell was going to be checking in also. He might check in to the meeting while this is in session. I'm not sure if he necessarily has anything to offer, but I thought it'd be good for him to hear things firsthand anyway. I want to first apologize for this kind of I'm calling it a mess unbeknownst to Berkshire design group. The school was pursuing some of these outdoor learning areas and things had progressed on that front to the point where they were obviously ready to start digging up the sod and replacing it with either a deck or stone dust areas. And obviously when the contractor came on board and started breaking ground, they probably had asked him, can you do these also? And of course, the contractor complied with their wishes and started excavating and stripping the sod for these areas. Now, of course, when I heard about that, Kevin came to me and said, wait a minute, we should be asking the conservation commissioner of the town if this is allowed. And I said, yes, you're absolutely right. So everything came to a standstill at that point. I think the school just got ahead of themselves. Obviously, if we had known about these, we could have included them on the original plan that we filed with you guys for the notice of intent. But being that as it may, we're coming here to hopefully get approval for minor administrative changes to the plan. What you see in front of you now or on the screen are five areas shaded in red. If you can read it, area one and two are to the north of the school. Yeah, right there. These are outside of the hundredth of buffer. The purple lines are the buffer zones. The outermost purple line is the hundred foot. And then the next one in is the 75 foot building setback. And then the next one in is the 30 foot setback. And the closest one to the well ends is the 25 foot driveway setback. So one and two are outside of the buffer zone. They're proposed to be on the north side of the school. They should have no impact on the wetland areas or buffer zones. Area number three next to the right next to the building, that one is proposed to be right outside of a classroom. That area was is within the hundred foot buffer zone at the 75 foot line as Aaron indicated there. And it previously was kind of like a wood chip area with some overgrown use around a retaining wall that that is at the north of that area. The retaining wall was kind of falling down. They took the use out and kind of rebuilt that wall. And then they stripped the wood chips and any sod that was in that square that rectangle area, which is 14 by 20. Up above it to the north where they ripped out the use it's exposed soil. I don't I don't know if they had seeded it yet. But the other day when I was leaving the site, loam was arriving on site for them to place on that slope. And I am expecting that they had either have already seeded it or doing that, you know, as we speak, you know, today or tomorrow. They put also a straw wattle on the south side down slope of that shown by that arc dashed line more or less approximately in that location. Area four is over to the right hand side. As you can see it's very close to the wetland and it's clearly within the 30 foot no disturb zone. This area they had stripped off the sod so that it's depressed area about three or four inches deep. No other work was done, but they did put erosion control directly around it on three sides east, west, and south. So it forms a tight U shape right up against that area. They put straw on top of the exposed soils. In case any, you know, in case we get a rain and there might be a washout or you know we don't want to we want to prevent sediments from carrying in to toward the wetlands. But this area they've basically said yeah okay we understand it's in a no disturb zone we'll abandon it, we will restore it. So the proposal for that area is to have it be restored back to the lawn area. And then in lieu of that fourth area they've want they want to ask for permission to do area number five which is way over on the western part of the site. It's up against if you're familiar with the site there's like a I think there's like a eight foot chain link fence that runs on the west side and on that south side that defines kind of like a field or athletic field. So right at that the north of the the north end of the chain link fence they want to put this 12 by 16 stone dust area. It's under some existing trees so it's nice and shady. There would have to be I was looking at and I took some photos which we can look at if you'd like. There's two branches that need to be pruned off of this side. It's a walnut tree and to be able to make room because they also in in each of these areas they also want to add a simple I'm going to call it a portable tent. They're not going to dig any footings for these tents they're just going to be the tent you know structures on poles and probably guide or or stake to the ground. They'll be easily removable. There's not going to be any permanent type of shade structure or anything like that. So those are the four areas they want to do them all this stone dust and they all they want to put temporary tents for shade at each of these four areas. So we're looking at area one two three and five and area four is to be restored back to lawn. I don't know if you want to I do have photos I can show you and I think I email those to you as well Erin. I don't know if you have those but we can run through those really quickly if you'd like. If you're familiar with this site that's fine. We can we can go on with comments or questions. I think some pictures would be great if we have them. Okay um okay oh good you do have okay great so this is um area one it's about it's going to be six by 30 and it's basically an extension of this existing concrete um um deck at the so this is on the north side of the back of the school. Is that actually going to be concrete Mike? No they want to do it in stone dust. Okay all right just want to clarify that okay. So the next area let me let me remove my uh annotation I don't know how to do it other than undo. Oh interesting effect. Sorry about that okay oops sorry. Okay so this is area two also on the north side of the school it will be between the building and the in the fire lane um so this area has been stripped already they've already done some excavating associated with stump removal here and the um some regrading for the fire uh lane which you cannot see it's directly to the right outside of the the field of view but this area is um I was told it was to be 12 by 16 also stone dust and it's obviously it's closely um in close proximity to classrooms on this wing of the school this is area three you can see the retaining wall that they've rebuilt the old railroad timbers had been kind of collapsing in this area right above above the wall used to be some large use I think the use probably were pushing against the wall um but anyway the the retaining wall has been rebuilt it's 14 feet wide by 20 feet long 20 feet away from those doors um and this area they've uh they skimmed off the wood chips that were in this area and any sod but um Eren strongly recommended that they you know use some spread straw in this area as well as the uh area number four so you can see the spread straw there the um straw waddles are down slope here that it was just temporarily opened there for um a vehicle to bring in some um material I believe but that has been um staked back into place the straw waddle um this is area four uh over you know within the 30 foot uh wetland buffer zone um so as you can see they put um straw waddles tight to that area and put spread straw on the exposed soils there and they were told not to do any work until after we've had a chance to come before the commission and get a decision this is area five it's at the end of the chain link fence which you see on the left directly in front of you are the overhanging branches of the walnut tree so basically the space would the the learning area would come out 16 feet from that fence um underneath these branches and again it's proposed they they want to skim off the top soil here and put in some stone dust um for the learning area um so I think that's it for now I would love you know if you have comments or questions we can go through um your any concerns that you have thank you Michael um so Aaron do you have you already showed pictures I don't know if you have anything else you want show or mention before we do q&a yeah thank you um I mean I think my my we Dave and I met with with Mike and Kevin and expressed our concerns about this um from where I sit it was very close to being an enforcement situation um they were out of compliance with their order of conditions and I just just generally speaking there was a lot of work going on that was beyond the limit of work that was beyond the scope of what had been approved in the order of conditions and so just I know um Kevin is on as an attendee listening and I know Mike is is assisting the common school but just really want to emphasize that any work that is happening in this area really needs to be communicated to us before it happens and that includes any kind of ground disturbance even if a shrub is getting ripped out if a tree is getting cut down if a retaining wall is being replaced we definitely need to know about it because these surprises can escalate very quickly into an enforcement situation or a cease and desist situation and I know that you guys are on a tight timeline and just we don't want we the town does not want to have that happen we want to make sure that all communication is clear and that you know we're um aware of everything that's going on on the site so I think that Kevin and Mike got that message loud and clear and I think things are moving in a better direction now but I just wanted to kind of express that thank you Erin and yeah I'm also going to promote Kevin to the analyst Kevin wants to add anything so commissioners any comments or questions have a couple of them so um Mike I do um can you pull up the like first site drawing that you are annotating just so I get the numbers of the outdoor spaces correctly as I try to ask a question sorry thank you I guess I can pull up on my own screen okay so area three is there any way I mean I know it's like tucked behind that that retaining wall now is there any way they would consider moving that out of wait am I getting this right yeah moving it out of the hundred foot like it seems like we've done a lot of back and forth to like figure out how to make this work with the original changes proposed and now we just have these like brand new like you know similarly sized disturbances within the hundred foot do they have to be where they are is there anything we can do to relocate them outside of the buffers from the well end so I just I just want to jump in and make one point and this is neither here nor there to your comment Jen but just to make it a point that these are temporary areas um and I and one of my questions is how temporary so I kind of to your question piggyback on that yeah totally and so related to that what's the plan for not just the timing but how will they be restored or taken out well realizing that we nobody really has an answer to what temporary means at this point in time because of this COVID situation um I mean you know in my my from my point of view it would be great to be able to keep these as you know permanent features at the school especially um but if they're if they have to be temporary um when when the emergency order is lifted if the state if and when the state does that these areas can be easily restored area five especially out there on the end on the west end can be restored to lawn the hopefully areas one and two being way outside the hundred foot buffer zone you might not have an issue with if if they were to remain but area three is is is kind of unique because I mean it's right outside of a classroom um and having it be proximate to a classroom is seems like it's you know it would play a vital role um in you know and how the school can run uh event uh programs and classes etc I you know I I can't answer the question whether or not it makes sense to move it somewhere else you know I'd have to I don't know if Kevin can answer can provide some comments or if you know if you want to get comments from the school but um like area five to me is is kind of out there it's it's a ways you know but it's it's it's you know it's still something that you know a teacher can lead a small class to that area way over to the west it's kind of a nice shady area um you know it's it's probably a pretty decent area to do outdoor learning but I don't know I don't know specifically the function of that classroom in the building that at area three if it's for little kids for instance and um if that's why that's you know directly outside those doors um it's you know that would be my suspicion that it's it's probably more geared for little kids um and certainly like area four being away uh over there on the on the east side I think some somebody at the school picked that area and just you know just had no idea that it had um you know wetland ramifications um and there's you know they were very agreeable to to restore it and not do any other work there it was it was a mistake they just went too fast but um getting back to area three it you know I mean it doesn't make sense to try to push it uphill away from you know that door because then it becomes harder to access once you step out the door then you've got to go up the slope um so it's in a it's in a kind of a I guess maybe think call it a unique situation that there's a classroom on the lower floor of that building you know and but they have direct access you know to this area right outside and it was previously used as an outdoor space there were woodchips placed there um you know in in the previous uh you know pre-construction conditions so I think they were kind of using it either for a small play area or some type of gathering space you know right outside of that classroom if I can jump in assuming everybody can hear me okay yeah we can and can you also just introduce yourself yeah I'm Kevin Campbell and I'm the project coordinator for the common school thank you and um uh Mike and I have sort of ramped up to speed on this project with with an equally steep trajectory it came upon us pretty pretty quickly but um the logic of it regardless of the mistakes that were made is is become pretty clear to me both as a former educator former head of school and now as a consultant that that I completely understand in response to your question what's driving the locations um the first thing that's driving location is is the simple the simple topography and and and and boundaries of this campus it's small to begin with it has a fair amount of structures all permanent structures already in place including driveways and everything they're reducing the amount of available area for anything and then it has the um the buffer zones and the various buffer zones limitations so so there there aren't a lot of the meaning it's three acres gets shrunk pretty quickly if you've ever been over to campus the second thing and the more important thing is that every one of these these locations was selected by the teachers to be as proximate as possible to their to a classroom so that's why there are five of them for the five different learning levels and um in in the case of in the case of number three that that is yes that that you know without the awareness factor but that was um that's a that's a very young group can gardeners first graders or so and um the idea is you want to keep them you know they they're just trying to create extensions to their classrooms someplace to step out to for the single reason that you all have become so aware of nowadays of increasing the quality if you will of the of of the air they breathe ventilation so that they can spend as much time outdoors as possible reducing their their the health risk limitations so number three just happened because of its as Mike mentioned its pre-existing condition which was the retaining wall was there there was actually an existing bench around the retaining wall nothing is changing and there were wood chips so they were using it in that that that is that is how that sort of and Mike said became sort of natural we spent over an hour last Saturday morning walking the campus with the teachers with the admin team trying to just trying to find what became area number five that's how difficult it was to find any a single area that that wasn't either you know treed or or filled with roots or or had some had some terrain that wasn't a great place and that was the best place and even that place now will take up a part of you know sort of compromise a little bit of what is their small sort of outdoor ball field area so so that's that's that's the best answer I can give you is that they're limited in a few ways and I didn't see that whole walk if we were pleased to find number five the thought of finding you know call it a number six replacement for three would be really tricky but more importantly it would it would make it would defeat the purpose of the little ones being able to spill right outside into a safe place that's very close by and that's that's that as far as I understand from the school that's been their logic for the selections um thanks one follow-up question I have and this we had touched on briefly I know that is it the conservation commission holds a conservation restriction which limits impervious surface and I know part of the reason for the change in the pervious pavers was to add a little bit more impervious surface to try to comply with that um and I'm I know Mike you had mentioned kind of crunching some numbers a little bit and looking at how these areas were going to affect that and I know you had mentioned it might be nice to keep some of the areas after the fact um I'm just wondering how that impacts the impervious surface cover on the property in relation to the amount that's allowed in the CR well we to take a step back we added the impervious paving on the fire lane and these parking spaces which are shown around the this turnaround to get the to get the impervious on the site below 25 percent and that figure was 24.9 um when we add any more impervious it's certainly going to get us bring us over 25 percent um these air these four areas I was I didn't know how big they were going to be but when I initially crunched some numbers I just assumed they were all going to be 250 square feet for a total of a thousand square feet um they are in fact smaller than or the total I added it up it's like 840 square feet but let's just say we have a fact if we add a thousand square feet I think the percentage points that we're adding is like uh I think it was point six or point seven percent um of coverage um now when we presented this to the planning board they did agree to a condition that the school follow up on um getting the conservation restriction revised from 25 to 30 lot coverage if that is done within three within the three years which the which they the condition that they granted you know we don't have anything to worry about um but you know obviously it's it's it's a little bit it would be out of compliance with the current cr um and I know you know we've talked about this with Dave Zomek um a couple of times and everything and I I you know I I hate to ask you know for any more favors because I think we're already pushing our luck but there's you know this site is very unique in that it's a small site it's taken up by a lot it's taken up by buildings there's a long driveway there's not a lot that can that you can do here um but given the situation you know this emergency situation with COVID and schools grappling with how to provide you know alternatives to classroom space and trying to do these outdoor learning areas you know there's just there's no choice that we we have they cannot be grass they cannot be wood ship they have to be either decking or the build my understanding is that the building inspector um rule that they can be stone dust um I was just I was just trying to condition them in a temporary way and trying to kind of conceptualize how to do that like if we say they're conditioned for one year they're conditioned for three years and you know to try to kind of stay in compliance with that as much as possible I don't think that the board can approve them as permanent Erin if I can I I think I think if I can give you a range to to narrow your grappling maybe it would help I um I would I would say it's very very important for the school that they know um how they start the year that's how the year can be okay for the whole year that it wouldn't get pulled out from under them um at some point mid-year that they're going to they're building this into their curriculum they're building it into the very fabric of their schools so if it could last for at a minimum the length of the school year that would be one um one bookend I think to the time that the to the definition of temporary and then I think the other definition of temporary would be if we could tie it to uh the um the timeline we've been given to um to obtain the amendment to their to the to the deed restriction so um if that at least narrows it down but I I think if it's less than if it's less than the school year and I would say a year from it you know if you approve this tonight a year from uh the start of this school year because that would include probably have to include their even their summer offerings next summer um that would that would be you know an important starting point um and and of course to Mike's point of of you know the idea of permanence if they could possibly um have the time which we don't foresee taking we're going to jump on this amendment as soon as we finally get the school up and running so that that is the next priority as soon as school opens and the project is done is to start the amendment process so I just I just I apologize I don't mean to interrupt but we have a bunch of other business we've got to do tonight so I would like to just see if the commission is amenable to like a one to three-year temporary temporarily allowing this as a um a minor amendment to the order um just kind of put it out there to the board to see if anybody objects to that um just because I don't I see people glazing over and we have other stuff we have to get to so I don't want to burn everybody out right now I have a couple of other questions I don't know if other commissioners do as well and so one Mike that slope that's right behind the building I think that's area number three is that going to be stabilized at somehow as well yeah they're already working on it they I know that they were bringing in top soil and they they were going to have it seeded it's already been seeded Mike and oh okay all right that's great um I think that's okay anyway go ahead and as far as the surfaces are concerned so the stone dust is basically impervious I think in in yes it's that's considered impervious in impervious surface have you thought about um pervious pavers or something like that or I don't know that's more permanent it's a problem though but some alternative I heard you say that you couldn't do chips and that sort of stuff but yeah there's there's some building code type issues that I'm not familiar with but you know if it's a learning space it can't it can't be a combustible material well let me let me just quickly respond to the pavers that that that that we did do um on the site uh we'd have to do more pavers uh then so if if we have a thousand square feet we'd have to do two thousand square feet of pavers because you only count them by 50 percent right Mike right with this type of thing another thousand square feet of pavers to cover the 1000 square feet the second thing is just a more practical point there the students will be sitting under here in chairs okay so yeah they just wouldn't work that would be a little awkward we we were advocates of decking um but uh we thought that would be even less uh impervious more pervious we had spacing in it and everything but but uh the uh building commissioners said no that that was considered um impervious as well so we tried to go down that road uh he but he thought for the sake of the school that actually it was much less expensive much easier to dismantle and put back into into into uh condition when temporary expired okay and so there is a plan and so if they once they let's say that they are temporary you guys are just scrape out the stone and then reseed or something it would be an easy much easier process to remove the stone dust you know the the two to three inches of stone dust rather than like you know take take decking and you know a structure of our for what it's worth we have um a mountain of stone dust that we just tore up our driveway so it doesn't cost the school anything either which is a big factor on the school's end we just simply can grab and use what we were going about about to haul off of the site so it can be repurposed okay sounds good thank you so how about other commissioners any other questions or comments we okay moving forward as long as they read um yeah take out that that problematic one was that number four um number four yep okay and I mean at this point sounds like you guys are going to have four but you're really one in five and I guess if you're going to put in a fifth you guys will come back in front of us if we find one yeah okay okay so it sounds like we are in pretty good shape at this point then um so I assume that we need to it's informal amendment but I assume that we should probably do a vote on this Erin yeah you'll definitely need a vote and I would definitely condition the temporary nature of the pads as part of the motion okay and so the motion is for an amendment to the existing work uh with those conditions uh a minor administrative change to the order of conditions okay thank you I can try it so you're saying okay so nope I can't try it okay so let me restate it so it um what we're asking for is a motion for a minor administrative change to the order of conditions with a condition proving the temporary learning areas for a period of one to three years all right I'm gonna start it and then if I mess it up just jump in for me so all right I moved for a minor administrative change to the order of conditions that's good for one to three years I missed a whole bunch in the middle there the temporary learning areas very learning areas thank you yeah the phrase the phrase so moved works pretty well is I wasn't sure if that was legit if I could just do that oh yes it's legit I needed to say the whole thing all right so moved second okay Larry hi Jen hi thatcher hi Anna hi all right hi and I so we are good paperwork is forthcoming all right well thank you thank you guys so much all right yeah just to reiterate but obviously you know this um yeah if anything else is happening on there please let Aaron know yep yep all right absolutely thank you great have a great meeting thank you for your meeting thanks we're almost done Anna that's the advantage of being recorded because that you can say so moved you've been said I will never forget again well you always do such a valid attempt anyway so and sometimes you get it too yeah I don't think we can get on it I don't think we can give her a hard time at all she's always the one trying when the rest of us are like I'm really happy that that's what I'm known for you no I meant that in a good way yeah Jen you though nail it every time it's like Jen's like got it down I know every time that's why we don't say so moved anymore because Jen's like no no I'm just gonna seriously impressive always that's because Jen cherry picks the one that she does it for yeah I'm actually studying the whole time yeah right right I start I started like Tuesday morning nice right okay so Aaron do you want to keep us moving yes uh so Beth Wilson DPW contacted me this morning um I guess mass DOT was out doing bridge inspections yesterday the day before yesterday afternoon of the 24th they were out doing bridge inspections and they came across this pedestrian bridge which is on west street um and it was deemed structurally unsafe so they DPW was out there maybe I'm getting the date wrong maybe it was yesterday anyways they put up these jersey barriers to block access to it and requested an emergency certification to basically demo and um rebuild slash repair I think um according to Beth some of the eye beams or support beams under the bridge were actually going to be um preserved let's see what's this going over yeah um it's going over Plum Brook and um so I I issued an emergency certification to Beth and in doing so required that she speak to natural heritage because it is natural heritage endangered species area and obviously they need to be um you know privy to what's going on and I don't know why sorry I'm gonna are you guys seeing my screen right now yep yeah we see folders sorry I don't really want you to see it just because I'm navigating um give me just one second yeah so this is pretty close to Monendove yes yep yep exactly um there's a house for sale and it's like right across the street from it um sorry I was looking to see if I could put my finger on it oh there it is and I was looking to see if I could find the correspondence as well from from Beth but this is just as good because it actually provides the um this is kind of it's it's a little tricky for me to share because I've kind of navigate my personal screen the screen to my personal computer and then I'm also remote it in okay so um this is the description uh demolition of the bridge will consist of removing pavement decking railings and two i-beams there's a water line beneath the bridge that will be left in place not disturbed the abutments are excuse me the abutments are in good shape um and will be reused for the new bridge some minor repairs may be needed replace new put in new i-beams um on existing abutments laying new decking they'll use silt socks to protect the banks um and so the conditions I added to the permit were um no material stone rip wrap asphalt may enter the stream dpw must coordinate with natural heritage endangered species program erosion control and steam stream protection must be installed as noted in the narrative from Beth upon completion of any work all exposed spoils must be stabilized with mulch and seed and dpw shall notify the commission where the work is complete and provide photographs of the completed work but we can modify this however you want if you have any additional questions you know conditions that you want to add to this or you could just ratify it in its current state it's really up to you guys so we just need a motion to ratify the emergency certification that was issued to dpw for the pedestrian bridge on west street i'm going to ratify oh okay go ahead i just said so moved oh second i okay so voting jen i fletcher i wanna i larry unmute that the body it took a while while i'm using the space bar it took a while to work larry all right and i for me as well so cert is certified perfect so i'll just i'm just gonna run through a couple extra things um as a follow-up to last week um you mass had um provided a notification to us about the repaving project on university drive i followed up with their engineers and they said that they've actually reduced impervious surface um and they provided a correspondence to that effect they said if you need more information or want to you know have somebody attend a meeting they're happy to do so just no i was impressed that they were able to reduce it i'm not exactly sure how but okay let me just double check because i know there was some other business i wanted to tell you um oh yes um we have a request for certificate of compliance for 159 belch town road um basically what it is it's um there's a subdivision called pally place there and when the place was when the subdivision was originally constructed it was like one big piece that was subdivided when the order of conditions was issued um one of the subdivided lots was included in the order of conditions and no work was taking place on that lot it's uh it was an existing apartment building on its own separate lot um and the people were looking to get a certificate of compliance on that i did pull the plans from the archive and review the original order of conditions and the plans and confirmed that there was no work that was proposed on the said lot um so basically um we would just need an order of condition or um a motion that um released that particular lot from the order of conditions and i can get you details just give me one quick moment to get to the request is that 20 assessors map plot number map and plot number 21 b parcel 18 159 old belch town road sorry i was um pulling this up as we were talking um yes so this is the um information from the um attorney so to issue a certificate of compliance for that specific this specific lot and and and it would be um the box that you would be that we would check on the certificate of compliance is that work never started on this lot there was there was never any work done in association with the order of conditions on this lot work never began on this lot so it's just kind of singling that out um it's not stating that anything was done there as part of the order straightforward enough so i move we issue a certificate of compliance for assessors map and plot number 21 b parcel 18 and 159 old belcher town road in amherst mass and the certificate of compliance should indicate that no work was done on the lot in question perfect looking for a second second okay so going to a vote jen hi letcher hi anna hi larry hi laroi hi and i for me as well i am making jen a crown that says queen of the motion that was no no no take the win man take the win so um i believe that is all the the main business items i just wanted to update as long as we're talking about pally place i had mentioned the previously that i was working with a gentleman to help him put together an rda and he is on the verge of submitting for that shed um he's probably going to be on for the 23rd of september but his shed is being delivered probably around that date so he is he i'm working with him to get it submitted so that he's not you know so that he's in compliance basically but it's coming so okay anything else um there's no other standout issues thank god right nice thank you erin thank you for keeping us moving so with that i think we're just looking for a final motion for a german so move okay jen hi letcher hi anna hi larry hi laroi hi and i for me as well so we are done and recording is almost