 Okay, we're back here live inside the CUBE. This is SiliconANGLE.tv's CUBE, our flagship program. We go out to the events. This is a special broadcast, the Brocade Technology Day, Analyst Day here at the headquarters of Silicon Valley. I'm John Furrier, Joe and Stu Miniman with Analysts with Wikibon, and we have Bob LaLiberte from ESG, another analyst. So it's an analyst kind of conversation around what's happening here in the software-defined networking, network virtualization, software-defined networks soon-to-be software-defined data center. That's all kind of being kind of figured out by the marketing guys at this point. I'm sure you've got a lot of assignments on your desk now and research grants to do that, figure that out. So first question is, where are we with this software-defined data center? I'll see VMware just rang the bell and put everyone on notice and kind of shook up all the networking players, essentially announcing what we all want to get to, which is faster, better networking. What's your take on that? So I think we're about to enter the age of software-defined everything. And I think clearly it's a marketing term and it's really trying to get organizations to move to a cloud-like environment, right? So to become more agile, more responsive to the business by actually implementing some layers of abstraction, right? There is some characteristics of having something software-defined. Certainly in the network, it's been pretty clear the ability to abstract that control plane, the ability to have a certain level of programmability, obviously, as networks continue to scale and grow, we need to have some automation and orchestration, right? So to eliminate those manual processes. And I think what VMware has done is be able to, you know, take that to the next level and say we need to go to the software-defined data center. Stu, you and I interviewed Martin at Nasera at VMworld on theCUBE and you asked some really pointed questions to Martin and he was said, quote, Stu, I am passionate about changing the networking landscape. What's your angle, Stu, on the software-defined networking and how does that relate to what Brocade's doing? Yeah, no, it's real interesting. Martin, I mean, banging on the table, you know, revolution. Revolution going to change networking and one of the answers that he gave that I thought was most striking is in the networking space, you know, we've got lots of protocols and we've got, you know, there's IETF and there's IEEE and there's, you know, the whole network consortiums and Martin said we have open-source projects and we have open standards and there's, you know, a place for both of them and he said, I hope it goes open-source projects and we've had some people here on theCUBE this week, you know, talking at Brocade that from the customer standpoint, some of the bloggers that are like, you know, open-source is great but I'm not sure if it's going to, you know, take over networking. So, Bob, I'm interested in your take, you know, we were talking on the way out here that, you know, you know, six years ago it was the next generation virtual data center and then it was cloud and then it was software to find data centers. The standards go on, the new generation of products go on, you know, what's the same and what's different this time? So, I think there's some interesting differences but the underlying factors for why an organization wants to deploy a solution haven't changed and that they need to solve a problem and so ultimately when I look at the discussion that's going on with open standard or open source, when I talk to the, and this is probably clarified in the enterprise more so than the large service providers but at the end of the day they need something that's going to solve a problem for them and whether that is open-source, it's an open standard or even if it's a proprietary solution but it solves their problem I think that's what I'm hearing anyways today is that organizations are looking for. Now, software defined networking has certainly opened up their eyes to a new way of doing things and clearly from all the research that we've done data center consolidation, multi-tenant data centers things like that that we're seeing happen clearly the organizations are struggling to keep up with the network and be able to deliver services so the ability to have a new architecture that might enable them to keep up with their server and even storage counterparts is something that they're definitely open to how that eventually gets implemented may have to, we may have to wait