 Hello everybody, E here. Welcome back to another spoiler discussion. Today we're talking a little more in-depth in the things that didn't work for me with it chapter 2 of the movie. So if you have not seen the movie I highly suggest that you click away from this. Maybe go check out my review. My review of the movie which I'll leave down there in the doobly-doo does have a spoiler section there at the end. But there was a lot of stuff that I missed talking about. Some stuff that was brought up afterward that I had a problem with. Basically some reminders of things that I had issues with. And I just want to go with those things not really for posterity but just to have them documented here on the channel. Right off the bat one of the things I forgot to mention is there there's an overall malicious feel to almost you know the picking on or the trolling of Stephen King in this movie. And while I understand he was there for it you know he he saw the movie he gave his okay for the movie all the picking on him about how uh well they use Bill as an example which is kind of funny in the book I believe Bill is more based on Peter Straub because he's balding um yeah he has a stutter Straub was balding had a stutter I think he was more based on Peter Straub if you're gonna base him on anybody he wasn't really based on King. King wasn't basing him on himself I don't feel. Um but the them harping on the fact that you know Bill can't write a decent ending which also kind of bothered me because they go on and on about this it's a joke all throughout the movie and then they use Stephen King's ending as far as the giant spider kind of deal and as as far as I'm concerned if anybody has problems with the book's ending that would be the thing that they had a problem with most people that I speak to don't really have a problem with the ending other than what are you even trying to say it's just a giant spider now of course anybody who pays attention knows that it the entity known as it the entity that has control of Pennywise that is Pennywise is not a giant spider um that is just the the image that he is stuck in and at some point in time in the movie they tried to do this they tried to get that point across uh especially with the ritual of chud we'll get to that in just a second chewed whatever um where if they they talk about you know all beings must be trapped in a form or whatever the quote is I don't know but Mike says it two or three times and he gets it from the Native Americans in during the the ritual of chud now as far as that's concerned I didn't like the fact like I said it went on way too long it started to feel a bit malicious especially since I'm one of the few people I guess that actually like the ending of the book mainly probably because I actually understood what king was getting at as far as you know it being trapped in the form of a spider and not actually being a giant spider of course Pennywise it whatever you want to call it uh the entity known as it um it is all about fear and I know one of my biggest real-life fears is spiders so it makes sense if he would get stuck in a form like that just like pretty much he gets stuck in the form of the clown that's just kind of like a uh an all-around you know just childhood fear kind of thing now going on to the ritual of chud chud chow whatever the hell you want to call it the that ending the the way they changed it to where Mike had basically betrayed them to make them believe to get them down there so that they could they could believe but I did not buy that at all uh it was a very other than the fact that yes the entire thing with the Native American ritual is goofy as shit um it of course it doesn't work in the movie and I think that's one of the things that machete was going after was look it it didn't it didn't actually work to kill him you know so even though I don't know that there's any I know there's several Native American uh Twitter Twitter accounts that are that are very hot about this wanting to cancel the whole film kind of deal because of this section uh it was stupid um was it malicious on their part I don't think so it's because it doesn't work it's not like they're saying that you know this thing does work because it didn't work in the movie at all whatsoever and in the book it's pretty much reduced to just these kids basically smoking themselves out and having a hallucination down there um in in the pit and then they see the turtle coming all that not the turtle but they they see the turtle and they see you know how it got here that kind of thing um the the whole the whole bit with him scratching off one side why did nobody notice and I hate to turn into cinemasons here everything wrong with it chapter two but nobody noticed that there was a whole side that was scratched off like each side of that thing was important but yet you had this one side it was scratched off and nobody thought to ask um the scene where uh Bill and Mike are well when Mike's first showing Bill about the ritual should meet he spikes his drink or whatever that is one of the most horribly acted scenes I have I've seen in a movie theater that was like DVD direct to DVD quality bad that was like it that it that was like this version of it bad it was it it was hilariously awful um even what's his name uh McAvoy whatever the hell his name James McAvoy he did a horrible job in that scene the actor who played Mike I think did a terrible job also he was way over the top um in fact one one commenter said they couldn't understand him half the time and I think that's actually right uh and there's another scene because he's just talking so fast he's just going through all these things so fast and he's stumbling all of his words it's funny because Mike was stuttering more than Bill was at one point in time it almost felt like Mike was like making fun of him or mimicking him which was very odd uh there's some really bad ADR in the movie uh after uh hey of them shooting or not shooting but recording audio after the fact and there's one scene where they're outside of uh Jade Palace or whatever it is uh the the Chinese restaurant where Richie is talking and he's got his hands up like this and it's he's kind of in like the this side of of the screen just reverse it when you're watching this but he's he's over on the far left hand side of the screen someone else is standing by him you can tell his mouth isn't moving but yet he's talking and he just kind of standing there going like that and that there's voiceover uh kind of dubbed on top of it um that bothered me the absolutely terrible CGI that they did on Finn Wolfhard to make him look young um make him look like he did in the first film was atrocious there were several times i was like that looks bad like his his eyeglasses were just floating on his face it looks so rushed and overdone nowhere near as good as like let's say a marvel movie with uh Samuel Jackson or uh Kurt Russell you know what they did with them to de-age them um or even Stan Stan Lee at one point in time i can't remember which movie that it was was the captain marvel can't remember but uh what they did with uh Finn Wolfhard uh or uh Richie in the movie looked absolutely terrible um one thing that i've said over and over again i've said on twitter i'm going to say it here again is bill hater is the best part of this movie and that's probably because he's the only character that got any character development um they tried a little bit with with bill um and we're gonna get to that in a second i'm trying to keep my thoughts in order here they tried to give bill some more uh but let's talk about richie for a second so richie there is a subtext that richie was in love with eddie i love that change one of the best changes they had because for the for the longest time i thought eddie was gay um as far as his character in the in the book and and even his character in the uh 1990 mini mini series had that had that quality and i was always rooting for them to tackle that a little bit more and for them to flip it and make it richie and that's why you know richie and eddie were always constantly arguing um not that they were a couple at any point in time not that eddie even reciprocated the feelings but to have richie being in love with eddie made so much sense for that movie and that's one of the that's one of the best changes that i feel the you know they that machete got across was that character development it made the character of richie that much deeper he's one of my favorite characters period um and just him getting that depth i appreciated that so much and the scene where he goes back to finish carving that i i got a little teary eyed i'm not i'm not gonna lie it it felt it felt real it didn't feel forced it didn't feel like some you know sjw propaganda you know try to stuff all this you know try to stuff more of all homosexual agenda in there with some of the other stuff that i've seen people say and some of the other stupidity if we're honest um i liked it it felt natural it felt great and that was one of the big positives that and the opening scene with adrian melan uh they nailed these aspects they did a lot of things really really good but of course they did some things that were really really bad and made some awful decisions that still have me on the fence about the movie i do hope that we get this supercut um i would love to see the supercut uh of the like six plus hour version because this movie was originally four hours and muschetti had to cut it back to two hours and 49 minutes we are missing an hour and 11 minutes of this film and i would love to see what all is in there and i'm hoping it's more the backstory and more the character development for the other characters finally the last thing i want to talk about is the utterly ridiculous twist for bill's character um at one point in time there toward the end bill is having to deal with um i'm going to end on a positive note also we're going to talk about something else that i absolutely loved um but with the whole thing with bill confessing that he wasn't actually sick the day that george died that he faked sick because he didn't want to go up go out and play with his other but his younger brother was ridiculous uh i hated everything about it is a stupid unnecessary change and i i have no idea why they did it um bill matt jane sorry james macka boy during that scene horrible acting um in fact he's one of the worst parts of the movie as far as acting is concerned um most of his stuff is like overacting and most of his scenes feel just kind of tacked on especially the scene at the carnival where he's trying to save the kid um it was so natural that bill would want to kill this thing for killing his brother um and that was just it you know he was sick he couldn't go out he couldn't be there and that guilt would have haunted him but to add this stupid uh i faked sick and that's what that's why george died it just i mean that's something to actually beat yourself up over that actually makes you a douchebag and bill to me wasn't that kind of character um and if people can say oh no well you know some people just don't want to pay play with their siblings and that's okay no that made him an asshole if he didn't want to go out and play the only reason he faked sick was to not play with his brother in my opinion that makes him an asshole and that kind of kills that character for me um that's my opinion of course uh i thought that that whole scene right there damn near ruined a movie for me uh that added on to like i talked about the last video the mrs curse uh sequence those two parts really really bothered me um even more so than the stupid ritual chud that that kind of thing it is so much more it was bill's forced twist storyline that was absolutely ridiculous i didn't like anything about it um if you liked it i'd love to hear from you uh just don't be rude about it uh i don't i don't understand why they had to change it if you thought it deepened the character any let me know down there in the doobly-doo we'll try to have a discussion about this but i think like i've said probably for the 17th time now it was ridiculous to end on a good note one of the best scenes in this entire movie is ben in well ben and beverly when beverly stuck in the stall the bathroom stall and ben is stuck in the dirt in the clubhouse that scene is absolutely amazing i love that scene i love when the door fight she finally gets the door open i love all the all the you know the brief glances that she gets of people and of course even the here's johnny thing was even though i don't like the cubrick the shining i thought that was kind of cool um but that whole sequence with her trying fighting in the blood and in the stall and everything and finally getting it open that scene that shot where she's reaching down and he's reaching up amazing um it's probably the best shot scene in the entire movie i feel um but that sequence that whole thing with them fighting to get to each other and fighting their past it's the same time and them ending up together on the boat at the end i thought that was great that was some kind some attempt at character development getting these two together and i thought that was very not realistic but uh it was a very good choice for machete um and i feel like i'm saying his his name wrong over and over again but i believe it's andy machete right um i know it sounds like i'm saying machete like a you know the knife sword thing the user chopped through a jungle but um andy machete i i feel like he he intended he hit he had good intentions he just failed this time um and that's one of the reasons why i want to see the supercut so badly is because given more time to hash out some of these characters there i'm sure he's not going to change anything about the bill uh sequence bill's uh bill faking being sick i don't think he's going to change anything about that but i would like to see more of the development that he had to cut and more of the scenes that he had to cut he said he's even going to shoot more scenes to tie the two films together and that would be awesome in fact if he went back and kind of shuffled them together uh and put and just made a completely new film and where it bounces back and forth like it did in the book i think that could help tremendously um that and getting rid of the mic betrayal he's not going to do this but getting rid of the mic betrayal and getting rid of bill's guilt over faking sickness those two things i think would fix this film i would even be able to ignore the mrs kersh sequence if he made those changes but what did you think about the stuff that i specifically talked about in this spoiler discussion let me know down there in the doobly-doo uh if you've made it this far i don't have to tell you there's going to be spoilers in the discussion area um so it i just if you disagree with me like i've said before so many so many times even if you're new to the channel i say this all the time if you disagree with me i'm completely fine with that i want to have a discussion with you just don't be rude about it but leave all your comments down there in the doobly-doo if there's something that i missed that you'd like to talk about of course bring it up i'd love to talk to you about it but until next time i have been e you've been u this has been it chapter two spoiler discussion i'll talk to you guys later bye bye