 We're finally here! We've made it to the end of the season! Yes, the long way in Long Feared. Yeah, kind of the subject of a lot of speculation finale of The Lost of Us. The comment showcase usually relates to the previous episodes. We'll do that and then we'll talk a little bit about our fears for this episode probably and what I'm expecting versus what we could be lucky enough to get or very unlucky enough to get. It's the final one! It's really funny too because this is it. We're going over to the memes after this like in terms of Maddo and Gotham Knights. Just like, yep, goodbye, good story. Right back here, back to just meme shows. Back to meme shows. We could just sit back and relax and make fun of Helmet Man and it'll be simpler. Good old Helmet Man. Hey E-fap, a doctor here. Oh cool, a fellow doctor. Usually, a pedicillin is an intermuscular injection, mostly in the butt because there's a lot of muscle there. But to be honest, as long as it gets in the system, it should work. But injecting it directly into the wound doesn't really help at all. Hope this helps. Love you guys. Stuff, by the way, keep it up. Yeah, you bet. I remember seeing the, oh yes, like first of all, a pedicillin not intravenously and I was like, oh, okay. So that's probably why they had to do it that way in the show. But I also read in the article just like this says, not sure of the viability of putting it directly in the wound. It depends on how deep it was and because it looked like it was kind of over the ribs a bit and there's muscle in between the ribs and stuff. So I mean, she stuck it in there. I assume it would work. As long as it gets into the system, it should work through muscular injection. My guess would be it doesn't matter where you put it. It just gets in the system regardless. Like putting it in the wound doesn't make a difference. That's kind of my reading of this. So she has to hit a muscle is the point. That seems to be the point. Okay. Yeah. My specialty is plagues, okay? Not muscles. David is keeping the non-human meat for himself and is also smirking at the girl, Hannah, as she eats her father unknowingly. This version of David is legit evil under the mask. It is great. Wow. Oh yeah, he's horrible. They both are though. I was going to say they both. It's just that we don't get to see what David looks like in his group. Operating as it does in the game. Yeah, and you don't see Game David feed anyone their father. So because that's an interesting inference. I didn't think about that at all. Yeah. That would be assumedly true, right? Because he was cycled in. I think there's a line at the beginning of the episode where he says, oh, we can't bury him because the ground's too cold and hard. Like we'll have to wait. It's like, uh-huh. Yeah. He's a real sinister piece of work. Yeah. And that's hence the looks he's been given by his subordinates because they have to, he has to have people to help him do all that shit. And so they know. Right. The only other person I know in fiction that did that is Cartman. With Scott Teneman. Yeah. I call it Mr. and Mrs. Teneman Chili. Oh my God. On my first watch, I didn't really appreciate how good a David's actor was. But man, he does an excellent job with his voice and expressions. Well done to him. He was fantastic. I think he, uh- He was very good. He struck quite a quite an impression of opening the second scene with him and Ellie just chatting when the camera really tightened up on him and you're just looking at it. It was like, uh, this doesn't feel right. Like you, you see him off by lad. It's very good at nailing the bad vibes. And yeah, I felt like they nailed everything that's important about David with him, the creepy boy. So David and his cult have resorted to cannibalism because they can't find wild game. But Ellie, who is four miles away, finds a rabbit and deer within five minutes of going on her first hunt. Lol, okay. It's the last of us two levels of world building. These people do well because we like them. Those people do bad because we don't like them. It's a big community. Lots to feed and they were running low on their stockpile of canned food. The deer and rabbit would help, but wasn't like the forest was shown teeming with them. So who knows if they'd get lucky again? David did also explain how he had to roam place to place before due to raiders. He probably had to resort to it before, convinced his more trusted guys of the viability. And now that one of his guys died, figured he might as well not waste usable meat. David is shown to have a weird mindset because of the outbreak. That comment addresses the first thought I had when I read the original one, which was there's a lot more people. There's like 30 of them. It's not necessarily a matter of not finding deer. It's can you find enough meat to feed a whole town full of people? And they do mention like they've been going for some time. I'm not going to say how long because I don't actually know. I think it may have been mentioned for potentially how long, but how long does a deer feed like 30 people? I would imagine that either the rations like what each person gets is minimal or it doesn't get very far. Meanwhile, Ellie and Joel probably could have lasted on one deer for a little while. According to the internet, the average Ohio whitetail deer yields 52.2 pounds of venison. And they do mention they had venison. They had they have forms of meat and they mix in human with it to beef it up. Well, that's a bad news of that way. Oh, well, I'm pretty sure that the guy, if you're referring to the dude who walked in and said it's venison, that pretty sure he was. No, not that guy. I'm talking about the intro where he says, How much do we have left venison? Oh, grab it. Maybe a week to the best. And also within five minutes of going on a first hunt, we have no idea how long she was out there. That's also true, actually. Yeah, but I just I don't get it. The fact is they are finding game, but they're not able to hunt enough. And then the whole like these people do well because we like them. These people do bad because we don't like them. I don't even know what that means because you could make characters that I could respect that have resorted to cannibalism. It's possible. It's going to be real tough, but there are stories where that is basically the only thing you can do to stay alive. And it doesn't necessarily involve killing your own team. It's just taking advantage of if anyone dies. Depending on how you spread out the servings, a deer will go a long way. But yeah, when you got 30 people, and especially because there was that part where she got this can slid and they said there's only like five left or something. Only five more left. When you can't add things to the meat, you're going to have to have more meat to compensate. So and you know, it's not that they all went evil. It's that David's the one that's pushing them and he himself has got a hell of a lot more wrong with him beyond just cannibalism. As much as his role was small, Troy Baker killed it. You can see the uneasiness in his eyes and the hesitation he has when dealing with David. He is clearly his own person. He displays the character very well. I felt he did an excellent job. Yeah, just coming across the guy who's got many years of weight on him, a lot of pain on him. He looked really sad. He looks really sad all the time. And it's sold through the performance. Feels cool when voice actors get live action roles and do well with them. Well, yeah, I was just going to say, like he clearly demonstrated his capacity for emotional control, doing the voice in the game. So it doesn't surprise me that he did really well. Well, voice and performance as well for motion capture. Oh, mocap, right, of course. Yeah. I found it super bizarre that the rest of the residents just kind of disappear after Ellie breaks free and no one bothers to help David out or even assist. That being said, I still found the episode incredibly enjoyable but am nervously anticipating Episode 9's potential changes. I feel this episode suffers from being a video game adaptation and the game Joel has to face a lot of enemies to arrive where Ellie is. Here, he just shows up in the middle of this town with no obstacles. The fact that no member of the community is around to notice him and Ellie hugging in the middle of the street was kind of meh. And the fact that no one notices the building is being on fire, dot, dot, dot. Kind of hard to believe. I'm in love with the acting though. This one's interesting because we did kind of talk about it. Apparently, this building isn't in the center of town and there is a, I don't know if I can call it a minor blizzard happening and this all happens pretty fast. And so it's like, so with those variables, you can wipe out at least a few of the onlookers that may turn up. But I am in the camp also. They'll probably be inside anyway, trying to keep warm. If you're not doing anything, then you might just be sitting around inside hanging out and the building did burn from the inside out, which might take a while. Oh, and I don't think anyone should have seen Ellie and him hugging. They were on the out, out to end of the building away from the town. I think the more relevant point would be that it seems like a bit of a missed opportunity to not have some sort of reaction from a few residents in the town because wouldn't it be interesting if some people saw it and turned their back on it and left because they knew that David was there. And I don't know about that because the fire is a big danger potential to everybody. True, true, true. Especially if you have a lot of food in the kids in that building. Actually, I guess more so that at the very least, getting the reactions of the town could be interesting. I'm trying to think of how I might try and implement it. Certainly getting reactions, people looking out and being like, oh, no, that sort of thing. And you know, oh, shit, what do we do with panicking? But maybe one or two guys heading in with guns that Joel manages to see ahead, avoid in terms of them seeing him, and then he hits on the back of the head with the pipes and style stuff. Maybe, yeah. I think you could do that. I think that would work. I think the impression I get in terms of the feeling of bizarreness is that there is a... David has a pretty definitive end, but like that community, they don't really have an ending. We don't really see what the resolution is for that community, which I don't know that we necessarily need to, but it almost seems... Especially because there seems to be innocent people there. Yeah, like people who are being victimized by David. I think very few of them know about the eating humans thing. Well, and then there's, you know, the people in the community who have been directly victimized by him as well. Yeah, we just don't know. I guess the story's not really about them, but they were in the story a couple of times. There is this element that a number of them wanted to protect people from David, but they couldn't muster up enough courage to just shoot him and kill him. So I kind of agree. I think that is a bit of a weaker part to the episode, that's all. I think someone in the chat for your last premiere said that Joel killed everyone on his way to the restaurant. That happened. It's game week, I think. To excuse the inconsistency in the show. But it would be faithful to game, Joel, because that's what he would do, is kill fucking everybody. I love that you're going through each house. There's like a little kid playing with toys. He's like, die! You're part of the problem, kid. I guess it's interesting. The second comment highlights the difference of the video game adaptation, because we've seen it throughout the season. You just have less violent encounters in the show, because justifying beyond a gameplay context, like the body count of the last of us, the game, is going to be real hard in a live-action. It's like if you're making a Call of Duty video game or something like that. Like the idea that this one soldier kills hundreds of the enemy with small arms is just like, that just doesn't happen, really. Yeah, the encounters are a lot smaller, and there are less of them. And so having Joel or Ellie having counters like they had during the winter section of like mowing through 50 people, respectively, like, yeah, it just was never going to happen. To address the obvious response to that, wow, so you've made it. Either we get none or all. It's like, no, no, no. Just highlight it. I mean, that would be a very interesting conclusion to draw from what I said. Guarantee you someone's saying it. Okay. Obviously, a healthy balance would have been neat. And we've talked, I think, last episode about how we would have liked more encounters as well. More zombies. It would have been nice to spread everything out a bit more. I'm honestly on the point of saying, like, I think double the size of the entire show probably would have been better. I could have gone for more episodes. Yeah, me too. One of my favorite moments in the game isn't a cutscene. It's when Henry's about to bail on Joel on the bus and Ellie jumps back down. We stay together and Joel stops dead in his tracks looking at her, thinking the same thing I am. Oh, shit, she's built different. And it's all animated into the gameplay. It's a shame we didn't mention this in episode five, I think. This doesn't show up in the show, but it doesn't in the game. But there is something that shows up in the show that doesn't show up in the game that feels like possibly they're changed. So I was just just mentioned. And in fact, play the clip, future me. Okay, we gotta get him up. I'm sorry. We're leaving. What? What's this bullshit? Hey, now! What the fuck, Henry? We stick together. There it is, beautiful. That's the game version. In the show, there is no moment where Henry and Sam have a chance to risk their lives to help Joel and Ellie up on a bus and get out of there. And they instead opt to leave them. Instead, they have a moment where Ellie falls in front of the incoming Kansas City people. And Henry runs out, grabs her and gets her to safety and Joel sees it. And I always thought like, oh, that's an interesting, because that's kind of similar to what happens in the game, except they've gone the other direction. And I think the point of that is to inform later when Ellie is free and clear and Joel has her covered, she looks over at Henry and Sam, and then she looks up at him and then back at them. And then he makes an expression of like, fine. And I always got the impression that that's Joel saying, like, after what Henry and Sam have done, yes, we will try and save them. It seems to me like that's a different beat that they've ran with instead of this one from the game, which, you know, I really like this game one as well. The only thing I don't like in the game at this section is how Henry saves them. If you remember, they jump off a bridge and they're in the water and then I think Joel gets knocked out in like rapids, essentially. And then we just wake up and it's like, yeah, Henry saved both of you. And it's like, how the fuck did Henry save you both? What if you can't swim? What if you was knocked out at a very big man? Like the idea that he jumped in grabbed you both and swam you to safety, very hard to believe. But no, I agree. I think it would have been cool to have kept this moment. If the worry was that it takes away from Sam and Henry being sympathetic, I'd be like, you don't have to worry about that. This is a very normal thing that they do in the game, you know, like a normal human reaction. And they do apologize for it later. It's like a sorry, we panic sort of thing. I do like that bit on the beach that immediately follows that where Joel pulls a gun on him and it's like, you fucker, you left me behind. Hey, you know, you would have done the same thing if you were in my position with Hallie and it's like, oh fuck, all right. I guess we'll just work together. That whole conversation is really good too. This is what I mean. If you made the whole show longer, we could have had all of these bits and all of the new additions and fleshed out just bits that needed it. The spores not being in the show really hamstrings a lot of season two Last of Us 2 stuff, which is already super weak. The Cure's relevancy is because of the spores as the crew talked about how rare being bitten and surviving the attack. So the Cure wouldn't matter much in the show because the show doesn't have spores. The Last of Us 2 stuff really needs a Cure, the Cure to be a viable thing. They can't really portray what Joel does as something bad since the Cure already has super niche usage in the show. While Ellie's desire to be sacrificed for a Cure would be stupid since even surviving an attack from a zombie is rare. All in all, I think the lack of spores really, really hinders the story of the Last of Us. So I agree with everything you just said if the ending of that was really hinders the story of the Last of Us 2. I, yes. This doesn't hinder the story of the Last of Us at all. That's actually why I think season two is going to suffer because it looks like they're going to make similar mistakes. If this world does not really get changed by a Cure, we've gone over this. Yeah. And that's assuming in the games, the spores being an element, which is more contagious than physically having to be bit by it. Yeah. Well, I think the main thing we talked about was getting cancelled out was the spores. I think we were like, yeah, it'll make it so you can walk through spores. That's cool. None of them in the show. I think infected, infected is not going to help you. The main concern with infected is getting killed, not getting infected. Whereas just encountering spores, you breathe in and it's like, well, that's it for you. Whereas in this, the only option is infection basically through contact with infected. But I mean, regardless, the same issue still persists in terms of the logistics of disseminating a cure and then whether or not the Fireflies would even do it. And then, of course, just all of the ways that the Fireflies treat Joel badly when he gets there. Joel must have unlocked the passive skill that increases his strength when in critical health. It's called adrenaline. With that injury, he would have been more likely to be in shock. So why don't we have a chat about Joel's health? Is it viable, all the stuff that he does with the wound he has? Yeah. I mean, what does he do that the wound would prevent him from being able to do? The most physical thing he does is stab a guy from behind and basically just hold on, hold the knife there. And that is clearly something that he, you know, labors through doing. Of course, if he was to shoot people, that wouldn't have mattered, but we don't see him shooting people. We don't see how he takes out the second guy. The third guy he sneaks up on and hits with a butt of a rifle. I mean, probably the most... I'd like to conclude that he's been ambushing them. Which is something I really like that they did. Actually, I guess the most labor-intensive thing that he does is drag those two guys to tie him up. Probably an average off-screen. I don't know how these commenters feel, but I can't imagine they're saying this doesn't apply to game Joel as well. I would hope so, because game Joel, I mean, the injury that he's... The rebar room is really bad. And if I remember correctly, Joel was in more or less the same state like during the winter section in the game as he was in the show, being like lying there, barely able to keep away. That's the day he wakes up, right? Yeah, I think so. So if anything, I appreciate the show going to greater lengths to show that he's struggling. As to whether or not I can fully believe every action he takes. I think they've done a lot to show how limited he is compared to normal. So I appreciate that. As to whether or not I know it to be possible, what he's doing, so I guess I can't know for sure. I don't know. I appreciate the details they added to make it seem like it was difficult. When he executes that first one in the torture scene, he almost lays on him. He puts the knife in and he's like laying on him and the chair, struggling to get it back up, which I like that as well. Like, yeah, this is tough stuff. Game Joel, of course. He gets around that town. He kills a lot of people here. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm mostly okay with both of them. Game. In her moment of rage, fear and complete disillusionment, Joel rushes in to pull Ellie back. To remind her, there is really a safe place stopping her outburst of emotion and offering her comfort. Show. Nobody comes to her. She wanders outside. Joel sneaks up on her, triggering a fight response out of sheer panic, then comforts her, AKA why the game is better than a show by the mile. It's a bit weird in the show how Joel just wordlessly grabs Ellie from behind when he has an opportunity to call to her from a distance, compared to the game where he grabs her to stop her from further mutilating David's body. And also says, Ellie, stop. It's me at the same time. My head cannon tells me that's because Joel is a bit woozy in the head from his wound. That's not thinking clearly. He seemed coherent enough when he was interrogating the two guys though. I agree, but maybe there's an argument for that Joel wouldn't want to call out to her in case it brings more attention to them. Then again, when he grabs her, I think Ellie yells, let go of me. So I don't think that's a great defense. I would have had Joel try a few more times to get her attention more discreetly before having to grab her. Ellie's just gone through a traumatic event which is why she takes a bit to realize that is Joel. Yes, he can control his own volume. He cannot control hers. The argument still stands. Bit of whispered it. Joel likely saw her leave the burning building, so my guess is he figured she might have a firearm and attack anybody who got close. Ellie has no reason to believe Joel is up and moving and she might not recognize his voice in her hysteria, so it's better to grab her than risk getting shot. Yeah, he should have called out, hey, Ellie, you're the last of us. So when we made the episode, more epic. Ain't this interesting, though? Yeah, there's like talking about things. I like it. This is what I asked for, guys, so thank you. Yeah, look at you guys talking about it. I think this is very interesting. And when I saw the first comment, I was like, oh, actually, hmm, yeah, maybe that is kind of dumb. And then I saw the response. I was like, oh, okay. Because this is the kind of thing. It was like, you're Joel. You see the body. You maybe even catch her leaving through the door. When you've entered the building, you see her leaving, and you walk forward, you see Dave's body, all the blood, and then you're like, oh, fuck. What do you do in that moment? What is the smart thing? And it's like, call out to her like, Ellie, Ellie, I'm here, Ellie. Or do you wait until you're close to her so that you can stop her from saying or doing anything that could risk you guys? Just I was like, I think I can see Joel deciding I should get right up to her and grab her before letting her know it's me. I can understand that choice. Yeah, I wondered about that beat, too. But the point that guy made about Ellie possibly having a gun on her, I think that's a good point. Something I'm thinking about is simply a matter of timing, though. In the game, he gets there while that's happening. In the show, he gets there a little bit later. In which case, what would be the criticism that they chose a less potent way of doing it? Well, so this is the big problem we come with with dramatic payoffs, right? It seems that it's built into all of this, that it's just better to have him grab her during the killing. But that means you don't get the payoff of her slowing down, stopping and staring at the body. That's right. They're different payoffs. As for which one's better or worse, it's a little bit complicated. I've always considered when you get to that level, I don't know that I can pick one. I think they're both really good. I love the fact that he catches her during, but I also love the fact that she has to sit there dealing with that. Yeah, he could have just come around the corner or we don't know exactly where he came from or how much time he had to see her. I think it's probably reasonable to say he should have at least said quietly, called out her name. Having Ellie be on her own for a little bit means that she has to grapple with what's going through her head. In that moment, in a sense it almost, it might be delivering her a little bit more in exchange for losing a bit for Joel, maybe, but as for which one's better or worse, I don't know. I think they're both great. I don't take much issue with either. Well, saying that it shows it's worse by a mile is a bit perplexing. Yeah, that's quite a stretch. I don't think you're being fair or you haven't recognized the good payoff that the show did give. And of course, there's alternate ways to have done it in the show that they, of course, could have done but didn't. I mean, there's nothing that would stop them from having a close-up of Ellie's face as she leaves the burning building and then we just hear Ellie being said off-screen in Joel's voice and we see, we focus on just her expression as she hears Joel saying Ellie's name. Like, there's tons of stuff you could have done, but I mean, you can only do one of them. So what I want to talk about quick before we start up is just what is to be so scared of? And it is pretty much that they make Joel a definitive bad guy in his choice to save Ellie. Now, it probably should be said, you know, the first response I think a lot of people would ask you, if I was like, wait, so you're saying you're not allowed to tell that story? It's like, um, no, you can, I think, and we should be able to judge it for its own thing. And what I mean by that, we brought it before, but Joel, basically, everything is set and fine. She, you know, Ellie knows about it and she agrees the cure is very viable and they explained to him in great detail how they're going to give it out and how important this is and how many lives will be saved and that let's make it the most extreme. Ellie may be crippled by it, like, mentally, but she'll survive the surgery. You know, like, imagine they even said that and then they were like, and you can hang out with her, you can let her know it's safe and stuff and you could be in the hospital. And then he's like, no, fuck you and shoots everyone in the head and takes her. That would be like the most extreme vision of this and we'd be like, wow. And then, you know, he admits, like, it's only because I just want you to be perfectly healthy and I hate the world, meh. So, you know, if they did that, it's like, so does that ruin the show then? And I think I would probably make the argument I don't think that would be the Joel that we've seen built up in the show. I think that would be a little too out of character. Yep, I'm inclined to worry. And so, what's a more reasonable way it could go in a direction we don't want? It's like, well, I think her being conscious is something they could do. I think the Fireflies being reasonable and giving him what he earned by doing this mission and asking him to just, you know, be chill. That could be something they do. I'm highlighting these as in comparison with the game where they don't do these things. Yeah. And then, of course, they say, yes, she is going to die from this. And I'm sorry, Joel. Like, you know, you're just gonna have to understand that. And then he's like, uh-huh. And then shoots them all. I'd be like, oh. And I still think I might argue that's out of character. What I'm hoping for is that a lot of it is maintained, honestly. I think keeping the game, because I am familiar with the game's ending, and I think keeping that vibe is the wise way to go. Because the concern is, now that we're post The Last of Us 2 being out, we don't want, quote unquote, retroactively. Obviously, this is a different continuity. We don't want them to poorly set up The Last of Us 2, essentially. Well, so this is so interesting to think about, because a lot of people are like, well, Neil's gonna want to make The Last of Us 2 more coherent. Therefore, the ending of The Last of Us 1 is gonna be fucked with. This is assuming that Neil Druckmann himself believes that The Last of Us 1 is incongruent with The Last of Us 2. And he might not. He may not. And didn't anybody tell him. We can all believe that he believes, yeah, it's incongruent, but whatever. I will never admit to that. Or it could literally be that he's like, you're all nuts. It works. In which case, if this just plays out largely in the same way as the game, we may end up with The Last of Us Season 1 being a really nice package, regardless of what comes in the second season. We'll be able to go beyond saying there's a couple of episodes that are good. We can say no, Season 1 is good. The whole season is good. And that it can remain that way, which would be nice. And it's kind of, we've seen some seeds throughout the season being planted, I think, for what they want to do in Season 2. But it doesn't seem like there's been anything very substantial so far in this season that will directly tie into this finale. I'm not sure what I would latch on to for that, you know? It seems like at this point, the expectation and the want is for it to be as much like the game as possible. Yes. I feel like everything else in the season, I don't feel Joel has been characterized differently enough to justify some kind of crazy ending. I don't feel that way. I agree. In fact, I think it would just feel weird because I think they are, whether you like it or not, I do think that they're doing a lot of work to make their relationship really good and to portray Joel as a really good guy in terms of, you know, how he sees Ellie. Especially, you know, this is the, the last episode, you know, was the one, of course, that, this doesn't sound stupid to say, but the last episode was the last one we watched before this one. But this is the, you know, finale. So the last chance they had to have an episode of their relationship ended very squarely in the these two are super together camp. So to turn around from that and then kind of make him villainous or portray him in the wrong would be an extremely strange creative decision to make. What is particularly interesting though is that it would be sad to say that TV show Joel is a bit softer than game Joel. Yeah, his default state, I think, is more, it's not, they can both go Punisher Kill Mode. Yes. But I think just in their normal dealings, yeah, he's a bit soft. Hence, they're going to have to, I think, irrelevant of the game, have to justify Joel killing people. They need to have something happen that prompts him to do it. Mm-hmm. So let's hope they do. And I think the longer the season has gone on, I think the more that I'm coming to believe that the finale is going to be more like the game than at the beginning. I think so too. I also believe so. I'm actually kind of hoping here that there's not much change at all. But yeah, I want them to, I really, I'd like for this episode to be really good. I want a nice, complete, good season of television here. Oh, you guys ready? Yes. 43-minute episode, everybody. Alrighty. Last one. Oh, we got a cold open back. Hey. Yeah, we did. Alrighty. And it's likely for the very reason John highlighted in episode three or four, that it's because it's going to be a time thing. Ashley Johnson. Yep, that's the voice of Ellie. R.G. Ellie. Yes. And yeah, this is obviously so far back in time that it's suitable to do a cold open for this. This is the thing. I knew she was going to be pregnant because I saw a promotional picture for it. And so I knew she was going to be this. So is the idea here, because I don't think we've talked about it, but we can now, that Ellie will be immune because her mother would have been bitten while she was pregnant? I don't know. I know that there was a comment that was released alongside the original game that I think dealt with Ellie's mom, but I haven't read it. That's interesting. It's an interesting idea, right? You'd be like, oh. Because how many pregnant chicks are going to get bit by zombies, not killed and deliver their baby healthily? It's an idea. I know just a little firefly thing painted on the water tower. So I'm guessing this is a firefly safe house. Because you could say it's kind of like blade, right? Isn't the reason he's a half vampire because his mom was bitten while he was in a womb? I think that's the story. Yeah, I think that's right. Sad, because I don't think they've ever tried to justify why she's immune in the games, have they? I think you said there was a... We got a thorn in the game. My vasu is broken. You find yourself a weapon. She's premature. You push out that baby. I don't know. Is that something you want to do right now? Is it that Bambi? I don't know if it might not be up to her. Oh, it's the switchblade. That's kind of neat. I don't know if it's the same switchblade, but I assume it is. Man, this is a real fun situation to be in, huh? Can my day get any worse? And then it starts raining. Jesus. The stress she didn't even know. Yeah. This sort of happened. And there's the bite. Yeah, cutting it that close, I think, is the way you try and justify how the baby didn't turn into a... Maybe breast milk after getting bit could be a part of it as well. I don't think the character should do that, though. Like, they should know. Yeah, I suppose you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. That's true. What a set of emotions to clash together at the same time, though. Oh, look, well, baby. Also, there's a ticking clock. I'm dead, like, in a day. Well, what a performance. She's got, like, three minutes to be in the show, just to do that. She was an excellent, yeah. Because, you know, we know her well from Avengers 2012, of course. Captain America saved my life. Wherever any of them are, I would just... I think... It's just funny. That's the only other thing I can reference. I think that she was Ben Ten's cousin in... Is that? Ben Ten. It's funny. Outside of Ellie's voice acting, this is probably the most impressive thing I've seen her do. It's just, like, good for you. And I think that, you know, the meta element of Ellie's voice actor giving birth to the character Ellie in the show is... That's pretty symbolic. Yeah, it's just nice that I brought voice actors back. I saw someone say, like, how fucking insulting and detrimental to the whole IP that they had Ellie kill the voice actor for Joel. Like, that's so fucked up. In the previous episode, it's like, oh, come on. He's playing the character. He did it really well. Oh, he's just playing it. Oh, I'm not lying. What a weird thing to read into it. I know. Neil Druckman was behind the camera going, hee-hee-hee, like, calm down. Did they say this for Tommy's voice actor? Probably, but if you're going to... Well, when he got his head looked off by the bloater, we'll see our reactions. I was just like, hey. Like, I never thought that was his reaction, too. Neil Druckman. Oh, written by both of them, was it? Yes. No, it's not. Okay. Yeah, I was going to say, if you have a bad reaction to those things, surely you'd have a good reaction to the symbol. Oh, Marlene. Come on, Marlene. He's back. He's going to be in a lot of this episode, I'd imagine. Well, we haven't seen her since episode two. No. What? The one... It was a just poem, just one. Yeah, it was just one. Yeah, that's right. The infected broke through a gosh darn window. They're so uncivilized, they never use doors. Point that at Marlene with your finger on the trigger, okay? I like how gun discipline is just... Oh, she's got a... Constantly. Got a K bar. Is that like a cereal bar? Yeah, crumbs everywhere. Do not eat in bed. Do not eat K bars, guys. Do only eat outside. So I guess we're still in the past. They're looking for the mother, right? Well, yeah, because this is going to be the how does Ellie get to the Fireflies of Marlene? Because she's going to be close to turning at this point. Oh, damn! She was about to kill herself. Oh, there you go. That's a smart idea. That would be a lie. And plus, I mean, like if the baby turns, like, hopefully it won't kill anybody. You should be... You should be okay. You ever see Zach's daughter's daughter the dead Rex? No. There's a zombie baby in that film. Her name's Ellie. How long have we known each other? You better fucking take this baby bitch. I'm going to say you better fucking do it. Well, you pick her up right now, and then you kill me. I wonder if being dead on the thigh would speed up the process because of how big the blood vessels are in your thigh. Well, we saw the diagram, basically the closer they had the quicker the infection. Closer to the head? I believe closer they had the quicker the infection, yes. Yeah, that's what the page said. Because, yeah, none of this, none of this is in the game. But I think it's a worthy addition. But Marlene did say that she knew Ellie's mom, or that she knew her since she was a baby. Well, and this is just another example of where the TV show can do some extra stuff. Well, just giving... This is just all things to help humanize Marlene. Also, yeah, Ashley Johnson for what? Five minutes, excellent. Yeah, very, very good job. And also Marlene, very good too. Just what a traumatic birth into this fucking world, eh? Yeah. Welcome. That was really cool. We are running out of time, though. Yeah, you got to get a move on episode. We're already... Yeah, that's the thing that was... This is pretty short. That was pretty good. That was pretty good. 30 minutes remain. It's a pretty short episode. Yeah, like that is... That's not a lot of time. Yeah, like that was really good. Don't get me wrong. But we have things to do. This portion of the game... This portion of the game is a fair deal longer than 30 minutes. Yum. Do you hear me? Did you hear me? No. What? Bifuroni, Chef Boyardee. Oh, cool. No. What? Look, hospital. This is where we get off. Have you ever played this? Boggle? It's a work game. If you want to beat me with something, it would be this. Feel that breeze, huh? I tell you, on a day like this, I just sit on my porch, pick away my sex tree. Getting close. Hospital that way, maybe the one we're looking for. Got it. Boggle! Is that Boggle? Yes. Boggle? What's wrong, Ellie? What's on your mind? I wonder... You seem uncharacteristically not sarcastic. Joel is a... Well, it is characteristic based on all of the development, but very warm and concerned. Well, I very much like this and doing all the stuff before is going to help accentuate what's happening here. She's thinking, obviously, about the end of the trip and what's just happened. He, on the other hand, is trying to make her feel better. Yep. Good flip. You trust her? Gives her the gun now? Doesn't even have to think about it? I can, you know, give Ellie a gun. They had a guitar in that RV. It's all smashed up, but got me thinking. Yeah, once we're done with this whole thing, I'm going to teach you how to play guitar. Yeah, I reckon you'd really like that. I was thinking maybe I could teach you. I bet you'd be great at it. You want to learn how to play guitar? What do you say, huh? Ellie, I'm talking to you. Huh? Oh, yeah, sure, that sounds great. Ellie. Oh, yeah. That'd be great. Joel's so much more loquacious compared to how he was at the beginning. He's so open to having a doctor there. I mean, this girl saved his life, so... Yeah. They've just been together many months now, you know. I just think that's one of the bigger things that happened that changed stuff. Obviously, she'd saved it before, but the efforts she took to save it the second time was pretty insane. Yep. Yep. It's like, yeah, it's that life debt shit where you're just like, yeah, I trust you completely. Like, Jar Jar Binks owes Qui-Gun Jinn a life debt. Is it melancholic, the fact that any reference to his guitar, things that'll happen after the events of this episode make me sad? Yeah, it does. It makes me sad, too, because I'm worrying. The very end of The Lost of Us is Ellie having lost two of her fingers, can't even play guitar anymore. God, I hate that ending. Why? Because she actually gave up on the end of the cycle of violence and her reward was she still lost everything. We'll talk about that some other day. I was thinking we'd blast our way through that rubble. I found some dynamite in that RV back there. Really? No, so we're going to cut through that building. I had to go ahead, didn't I? It is such an interesting shift in the dynamic. Yeah. And it also speaks a lot that I don't like it that Ellie's sad. Yep. You know? It's like, I don't like seeing her like this. Because by this point, I just would be surprised if you weren't in debt to her, regardless of, you know, whether you'd play the game or not. She's been through so much. She's a trooper. Yep. That fucking stalk sound, do you hear that? Uh, right. Yeah, I think so. That's one of the most common openings of a thing, sound ever. It's usually for doors, I think. If I get you up there, you can drop that ladder down. Maybe we go through that way. Hey, that's a fun little reference. Look, video games. Everything all right? Yeah, I'm fine. Yeah, you just kind of seem extra quiet today. You okay? Yeah, fine. Just you kind of seem extra quiet today, so. Oh, sorry. No, it's not. It's fine. I'm sorry. No, it's fine. Did you hear what I- Yeah, boost. Got it. Ellie? What? The ladder. Come on. What is it? Oh yeah, another thing we've got to mention. I'm very much hoping for the giraffe payoff, but the curiosity will be if they do CG or not. I think they can, they'll spring for some real giraffes. I don't know. I don't know if it's a matter of what you can pay for versus what you're allowed to use in certain places. Yeah, it could be a combination of both. Like a rented giraffe around here? That may prevent it. The thing, if you ask me to bet on it, I'd say it's going to be CG. It's going to be CG. Probably. It's just easy to control. It's just, yeah, it's kind of sad. I mean, think about all the giraffes out there that want to make it big. Yeah, she's seen the giraffe, isn't it? It's all right. Come here, hurry up. Come here. Did you see the shadows on the tarps, like a velociraptor? Good reference. I don't know why you'd make it. I don't know. Damn, how tall are these fucking giraffes? She saw like this enormous head coming. The neck is many stories tall. Unless there it is. She heard it or something? This is probably quite well used in layers. Considering a current state of mind as well. Oh, the giraffe looks really good. I imagine that this giraffe was born after the apocalypse. So this is a free range giraffe. That's a very good looking giraffe. That's a very good looking giraffe. It'll be from the zoo, right? I assume that's what this is. I think that's what our problem in the game, yeah. Well, yeah, but this one, it means 20 years. This one is... Well, how long does the giraffe live? Nature is the nature of the whole thing, right? That nature is... It's kind of the nature of nature. Yeah, exactly. How long those tongues are? Give me that leaf. Look at that giraffe. Yeah, she's happier. The giraffe doesn't want to eat you and stuff. It just wants to be chill. Is that like a real giraffe? That looks really good. I wonder if we're going to see a zebra that's real cut up. That's the closest thing to a sorry that we're ever going to get is a dead zebra. Like nailed to the wall. Like on a cross. Oh, man. Is everything you were hoping for? Is it everything you hoped for? It's got its ups and downs. It's got its ups and downs. I can't deny that view. I can't deny the view, though. This rooftop looks very similar to the game. This whole environment, yeah, it's really similar. Super detailed. Cool back. Is it everything you hoped for? Jury's still out. Is that everything you hoped for? Jury's still out. Can't deny that view. We did it. No, here's the convoy. I don't know exactly where this hospital is. Yeah, we'll find it. Maybe there's nothing bad out there, but so far there's always been something bad out there. We're still here, though. We don't have to do this. You know that, right? We don't have to do this. I just, I want you to know that. What do you mean? What else are we supposed to do? What's the other option? Go back to Tommy's. We forget about the whole damn thing. After all we've been through. Be done with this whole damn thing. After all we've been through. Everything I've done, it can't be for nothing. Everything that I've done, it can't be for nothing. I know you mean well. I know you want to protect me. You have. And when we're done, we'll go wherever you want. Tommy's, sheep ranch, the moon. But there's no halfway with this. Once we're done, we'll go wherever you want. We'll follow you anywhere you go, okay? Well, I ain't leaving without you. Let's go wrap this up. We finish what we started. We don't have to do this. Yeah, that's just him being like, you know, can we not do it? This is the big thing about the story, right? It's the discovery that why are we alive? It's like to have moments like this with each other. It's not about, like, he's so much less focused now on like some grand mission. He just wants to hang out with it. I know you will call me sheep ranch. The moon. Yeah. Yeah, the moon. Dream of sheep ranches on the moon. I will. You ain't cargo no more. All right, we're nearly halfway. Fireflies got to get in here. Yep, unless the, I mean, do you think the structure is going to be cliff hangers with what he's going to do in our season two? No, no way. No, the ending is definitely going to take us right back to where it ends in the game. Yeah, there's, God, could you imagine that would, I think that would piss people off. Definitely looks extremely good. Post-apocalypse vibe is like they made it. That design is incredible. Yeah, this looks amazing. You know, there's just weeds and plants growing up everywhere. We got a bit of rubble. Things are torn. And the visual effects of the backgrounds are super well integrated. Yes, they look very good. I can't imagine like the kind of effort it takes to do that, but it looks great. I think this picture was filmed over the course of a year. I think it was filmed over the course of a year. Had a long production timeline. They put these places up all around the first few days after the outbreak. Emergency medical camps. This place takes me back. How so? It was right after everything went down. I ended up in a trio. I was just like this. We had me in one, just like this. With Sarah? I lost, she was gone already. Oh. Everywhere you looked, you just saw families torn apart. Whole damn world seemed to have turned upside down in a blink. It's for this. Not the guy who shot and missed. I figured that would have happened later. Nope. Is that after you lost Sarah? Yes, it was. Well, I got a hand it to the army people. They were way better at stitching you up than I was. I was the guy who shot and missed. I can't imagine losing someone you love like that. Losing everything that you know. I'm sorry, Joel. Sarah died. And I couldn't see the point anymore. And I wasn't scared either. I was ready. That's okay, Yami. Went to pull the trigger, I flinched. Still don't know why. Hey Joel, I got something for you. Here, Maria showed this to me and I stole it. Anyway, the reason I'm telling you all this is- I know why you're telling me all this. Yeah, I reckon you do. I hope you don't mind. So time heals all wounds, I guess. Wasn't time then, did it? No matter how hard you try, I guess you can't escape your past. Thank you. I'm glad that that didn't work out. Me too. In the game, this is where Ellie gives Joel the photo of Sarah that she found. I wonder if they'll do that. So what was wrong with you? Also, she can talk about Sarah and it doesn't bug him. That is, I think, a similar sort of realization in the game. We're just like, damn, they really have come far then. Look, a patch right there. Look at him. Dude, everything's ready for the payoff now. Yeah. We could have had two seasons of a Mandalorian like this. Imagine, imagine his fucking cargo in the game was a person this old and this aware. Yeah, someone he could fucking talk to and that could talk to him. Had some stupid green baby. Buggle. Do you know what I'm in the mood for? What? Shitty puns. People are making apocalypse jokes like there's no tomorrow. Too soon? No, it's topical. It's topical. Oh, love this world. Moom rocks taste better than earth rocks. Why? Meteor. Oh, that's terrible. Oh, look at you. That was actually good. The fuck you, that was actually good. All right, all right, all right. That was actually good. Say to the purple grape. Greasy, idiot. You look appealing. Man, come on. That's not bad. Oh, OK. All right, yeah. Oh, fuck. Five. Five out of ten. I appreciate that he covered it. Yeah. Yeah, the fireflies. Yes, they are. And we didn't do the water, the swimming payoff. No plus. They're being dicks. Oh, whether or not she's conscious. Oh, I'm very scared right now. These are going to be a tense few minutes on that. Yeah, this is it. This is it. The conversation with Marlene is everything. Keep an eye on them subtitles, everybody, because I'm probably going to be talking a lot about every single thing they say. Yeah. Hi. Welcome to the fireflies. You see, you got here pretty hard. Welcome to the fireflies. Sorry about that. They didn't know who you were. Patrol didn't know who you were. She's all right. They brought her back. Where's Ellie? She wasn't hurt. Not even a scratch. She's mostly worried about you. You came all this way. How'd you do it? It was her. How'd you do it? It was all her. She felt like hell to get here. She felt like hell to get here. She would have been dead on day one. Maybe it was meant to be. You were the one person I never wanted to be in debt to. But I owe you. I pretty much lost everything. And then you show up and somehow we find you just in time to save her. Maybe it was meant to be. We all owe you. Just take me to her. I can't. She's being prepped for surgery. You don't have to worry about her anymore. We'll take care of her. I worry. Let me see her please. What surgery? You can't. She's being prepped for surgery. The hell you mean surgery? Our doctor. He thinks that the cordyceps in Ellie has grown with her since birth. Why is she in surgery? Doctors tell me the cordyceps, the growth inside her, is somehow mutated. It's why she's immune. It produces a kind of chemical messenger. It makes normal cordyceps think that she's cordyceps. It's why she's immune. Once they remove it, they'll be able to reverse engineer a vaccine. Vaccine. He's going to remove it from her, multiply the cells in a lab, and then we can give it to everyone. But it grows all over the brain. It does. He thinks it could be a cure, Joel. A cure. Find someone else. There is no one else. Cordyceps grows inside the brain. It does. Listen, you were going to show me where- Stop. Find someone else. There is no one else. She's being prepped for surgery. Uh-oh. He thinks it could be a cure, Joel. It could be. We're okay so far. Cordyceps grows inside the brain. It does. Is she awake? Is she awake? Is she awake? We didn't tell her. We didn't cause her any fear. There won't be any pain. Find someone else. There is no one else. We didn't tell her. We didn't cause her any fear. There won't be any pain. They didn't tell her. You take me to her. They didn't tell her. Oh. They didn't tell her. She doesn't know. Yes! And it's exactly- Yep. I get it. But whatever it is you think you're going through right now is nothing to what I have been through. Any pain. No, you take me to her. You take me to her right now! I knew her since she was born. I promised her mother I would look after her. Then why are you letting this happen? Please. You don't understand. I was there when she was born, Joel. Because this isn't about me. Or even her. There is no other choice here. I promised her mother that I would save her child. I promised. So I do understand. I'm the only one who understands. Telling yourself that bullshit. I'm sorry. I have no other choice. I do. Please. You don't understand. I do. Is that intro? It was here when she was born, Joel. And I have no other choice. I do. That's a choice. Uh-oh. Marge him out of here. He tries anything. Shoot him. Walk him out to the highway. Leave him there with his pack. Give him this. He tries anything. Shoot him. Walk him out to the highway. Leave him there with his pack. Give him this. He tries anything. Shoot him. Oh, the deal's been well done. It's a little bit different, but they're not giving him the weapons. Like they're not giving him what they agree to. Yeah, it's still, it's everything's here. The only thing that's different- I think it was just the pack. Just the pack. That's it. The only thing that's different, really, is that they've made the potential for the cure clearer medically. Yes. But otherwise, it's more or less. I mean, if the game didn't exist, I would expect him to now do the thing he does in the game. And I'm on his team, by the way. I am, yeah. I didn't tell Ellie. This is super shallow. I didn't tell Ellie that they fucked him over completely. And they clearly don't give a shit. And then we can go into all the political reasons for why this is fucked up. Whatever she agreed to, she didn't understand what she was agreeing to. No, and then they've probably put her under. Yep. They'll fuck him. And like, they're the fireflies. They are, they are, we've been told throughout this season, they're assholes in terms of what they do to gain. So what do you think they're going to use this for? I like this, you know, his face. What the fuck are you doing? Keep walking. I said, keep walking. I said, keep walking. Where is the operating room? Fuck, where is she? I ain't got time for this. The far end. I don't have time for this. I like that this is happening at the bottom of a dark stairwell. It's like he's descending into what he knows he has to become to do, isn't it? Hammer. Yep. Thank you. Mags, they both use the same mags, so it's not a problem. This is, I think this is a scene that a lot of people have wanted for a while. This is going to be punishment y'all, basically. I like him shooting through the window because glass isn't bulletproof. I like these editing choices too. Music is pretty full-potting as well. Yeah, it is. This to me just seems like you've brought this upon yourselves. You're going to execute him anyway. Yep. This is exactly what we've been talking about throughout the entire season. It's been properly given that if you fuck with him too much, he doesn't have any limits. Oh, this is, yeah, this is him real scary. It's just coming between a man and his daughter, that's what the story's about. I love that this is kind of a montage of just like mayhem. Well, yeah, and like I said, the music choice, the tone here is like, did this have to happen? It's like, there's so many reasons how it didn't, but it did. Yeah, we're going to have to have our show down at the end, yeah. This matters a lot. This doctor, is there a little girl in this room who's like, Daddy, no, are we going to do it? If there's a zebra in this room, that'll just be it. The whole way. Good job, Pedro, in this whole season. Good job. Yeah. Yep. He's been fantastic. Unhook her. What are you doing in here? This is our future. Think of all the lives we'll save. How did you get in here? I said, unhook her. I won't let you take her. Gary, shut the hell up. Unhook her. Yep. You picked up a scalp on my good man. Yep. He does spare the rest. Oh, well, I guess, is it up to you in the game whether or not you spare these doctors? In the game, it's, you don't have to. It's just the doctor. Why, I presume they're all doctors, but it's just the guy. That shot is important for next season. Yep. Don't have to deal with that shit now, though. That's not. No, and it seems like they're not going to. Nope. Where is Marlene? I bet I think I know what's going to happen. Have you ever seen it before? No. Can't keep her safe forever. You can't save her. Even if you get her out of here, then what? No matter how hard you try, no matter how many people you kill, she's going to grow up, Joe. How long before she's torn to pieces by a pack of clickers? That is, if she hasn't been raped and murdered first. How long till she's torn apart by infected or murdered by raiders? Because she lives in a broken world that you could have saved. Any for you to decide. It's what she'd want. Maybe. But it isn't for you to decide. For you. And you know it. So what would she decide, huh? Because I think she'd want to do what's right. And you know it. Still do the right thing here. Even after what you've done, we can still find a way. She won't feel anything. And this editing is straight out of the game. Yeah, straight out of the game. Yeah, one to one. What? It's all right. You're with me. Take it slow. What the hell am I wearing? Just take it easy. Drugs are still wearing off. The drugs are still wearing off. I was with the fireflies and then what drugs? What happened? You were running some tests on you. And some others. We found the fireflies. Turns out there's a whole lot more like you. People that are immune. Dozens of them. Turns out there's a whole lot more like you, Ellie. Just dozens, actually. The doctors, they couldn't make any of it work. Them better good, neither. They've actually... They've actually... They've stopped looking for a cure. They've stopped looking for a cure. I'm taking this home. Raiders attack the hospital. I barely got you out of there. We'll find you some new ones on the way. I'm sorry. Are people hurt? Yes. Is Marley okay? I'm taking this home. Wait! Let me go! You just come after her. You just come after her. Something they did in the game and I think they're doing here is that Ellie is clearly not stupid enough to not think something's going on here. This sums up. You just come after her. That flaming was identical to the game. Just exactly the same. All of it, one to one. And now we're back to... And back to Jackson. These landscapes... I will say that we were worried about the amount of time, but they were quite expeditious. I think it was like one pointed out, the montage of the fight at the hospital. That was a good choice. That was a way to do it. Yep. Looks like we're walking. Well, she got us close enough. We gotta walk the rest of the way. She'll be a straight shot through here. That's kind of pretty, ain't it? Yeah. Probably about a five-hour hike and we can manage that. Yeah. What's your head going through? My aides now. Sarah and I used to hike like this all the time. I wouldn't say it was her favorite thing. She wasn't a fan of the mosquitoes and such. I don't think I ever told you, but Sarah and I used to take hikes like this. She would have liked you. Not to say the two of you are the same, but definitely different kids. Ah, so? Well, she was a lot more. I know she'd have liked you. I bet I would have. I want to say girly, and I'm not saying that you're not girly. I'm not. Yeah, you're not. So that... It's a little bit further now. She had a killer smile. Again, not saying that you don't. Do you know why I think she'd like you? Why? Because you're funny. I think you would have made her laugh. Anyway, I bet you would have liked her back. Yeah, I bet I would have. Hey, wait. Back in Boston? Hey, wait. Back when I was bitten? I wasn't alone. Back in Kansas City, you asked me about the first time I killed someone. When I got bit in the mall, I wasn't on my own. My best friend was there. My best friend was there. And she got bit, too. We didn't know what to do. And she says... So, she says... We can just wait it out. Be all poetic and just lose our minds together. Let's just wait it out. You know, we can be all poetic and just lose our minds together. And then she did. And I had to... I'm still waiting for my turn. Ellie. Her name was Riley, and she was the first to die. Her name was Riley. And she was the first to die. Her name was Riley. And she was the first to die. And then it was Tess. And then it was Tess. And then Sam. None of that is on you. And then Sam. That's not on you. I know it. Look, sometimes things don't work out the way we hope. You can feel like... Like you've come to an end. You don't understand. I struggled for a long time with surviving. And you... And you don't know what to do next. But if you just keep going... No matter what, you keep finding something to fight for. You find something new to fight for. And maybe that's not what you want to... I swear to me. Now, I know that's not what you want to hear right now. Swear to me. Swear to me that everything you said about the fireflies is true. Swear to me that everything that you said about the fireflies is true. I swear. I swear. And you get the sense that there's some... Oh, it's getting big. Maybe it's always been that big. Well, the thing is that Jackson looks reasonably big, but you don't go to Jackson in the game in the first one. I'll see it like this. Like this angle, yeah. And this will be our conflict for season two. The thing about this is... It's soon. Or maybe she never will. A lot of interpretations from people at the game is that she knows he's lying. Yeah. But she accepts it. It's that. That's an interpretation. Oh, that's... Yeah. Yeah, we did it. We did it, everybody. We made it. We're safe. Season one is complete. We're safe for a while. And it's a nice good season of television right there. I think... That's good. Yeah, this is a solid season. And hopefully the set to the ending will make them think about... Well, it's so interesting because... ...really carefully what they're going to do with season two. At the beginning of the season, I don't think we expected it to be that. But I mean, that was pretty close to the game. There's obviously differences here or there, but like a lot of the major beats with their hand. It's the closest to a game as far as adaptations go that we've ever seen. The critical part, though, is the whole conflict there. Oh, God, I'm so relieved. I know, right? It's just like, oh, yep, we're there. All right, cool. Yeah, now you're watching the Gotham show without me feeling like shit. This gives me the impression that they will be on script for the last season two. I imagine we're going to be seeing it one to one. Hey, yeah, there is that, but the thing is it's like, at least we got this, all right? We did get that. And this is... Yeah, I don't know. What they're going to do. I don't think we're going to get changes that make The Last of Us 2 better. I think it's going to be pretty much one to one. It's going to be about whether or not they feel the need to change certain things. A lot of what destroys that game for me is so many small decisions made by characters. There's a lot of big ones too, but just things that can be changed to improve the story. We've said since the beginning, you can kill Joel. You can. You can do it. It's always going to be probably unpopular, but you got to... But that's the thing. At least we've got a season one that hasn't been drastically mired by the existence of The Last of Us 2. Yeah. It's so weird to think that they would take two and know what the reception is to that game and then do a second season of TV like it. By comparison to what they've done here, which is more or less follow the broad strokes of the original game, obviously some notable changes here and there, broadly following the same strokes. Do they do the same thing with The Last of Us 2 of the same general structure, the same core theme, the same lines of dialogue? I'm not sure, but I'm just relieved. We've got season one here. In the bag. It's nice. And yeah, it's there. They did it. There are flaws. They're playing production. Plenty of things to praise, but my God, it came through as a TV show, I think. I think so too. The one thing I guess I'm sad about is I could never experience the show without knowing about the game. I'd be curious how that goes. Yeah. What does that look like? Because all of us... A guest on Open Bar was saying that his POV was knowing nothing about the games. He was really enjoying the show. And I'd be like, I wonder if it plays better without knowing all of the things that could be, so to speak. Because you've literally seen it happen, as opposed to just potential TV show storytelling. Well, Anne, this show has the unique thing operating that some people who have played the games are coming into the show like, yeah, and season... And you know, The Last of Us 2 is great. Whereas there's some of us as well who are coming into this. Yeah, I really like The Last of Us 1. They're not so big fans of 2. And it's hard not to imagine that 2 is influencing 1. But seemingly not a whole lot, because there were seeds that were definitely planted for 2, but they were not substantial. Yeah, and I get it, right? The idea being that this is what someone will do for one person, right? That's what this whole story is about, that this is how far I'll go for one person. But what if, season 2, what if one of the people he killed was someone that someone else will do everything for? You know, that's possible. And what happens then? It's like, oh, that sounds interesting. Yeah. If you do that idea good, yeah. That could certainly be quite a story. We're simply not there yet. What we've got is this season. And I think they did a really good job. I mean, yeah, I think so too. Really happy with the performances as well. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'm happy with the performances. Basically, everybody. I can't think of any weak performances in this show. And production has been awesome. It's been so nice that they also brought back the composer, brought back some of the original actors from the game. Really nice touch that they did not have to give you. It is an adaptation that certainly has a greater degree of reverence for the original material than some other. That's nice to see. Yeah, game adaptations. How could you conclude anything else? This is obviously the best video game adaptation from the standpoint of faithfulness. Is there anything that could possibly beat this? Of faithfulness, I can't think of anything on faith because I think Arkane is the stronger television show. I agree. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I mean, if you look at other ones, Uncharted was pretty lame. Halo was awful. Mortal Kombat is like, eh, you know, it's not great. I don't even know, yeah. What's going on? And a lot of it is more and Sonic the Hedgehog, you know. Like, I guess it's more interesting forward-looking because we've got a lot of things that are coming now based on, you know, we've got God of War, BioShock, Years of War Horizon. There's a lot about Mario Brothers coming out. I'm so hoping this show. Well, Mario Brothers, what does that look like? This show can act as like a big old flagship for the era of, oh, shit. Maybe there's something to these game stories. Well, because Arkane, because unfortunately Arkane being an animated show, unfortunately, it just means that for some reason, a lot of its merits just get overlooked by a mass audience. Because this is one of the most successful shows in HBO. The thing is that the league, like, storylines weren't taken almost directly and put into Arkane. No, no, this is a very direct out-uptake. And it's been a tremendous success commercially and critically. I mean, I think so at this point. I think that by the end of this season, I think that the game is, I think I prefer the game still. I still prefer the game too. However, don't scoff at this show. This is a good show. No, no, no. I would recommend it to somebody who enjoyed the game or somebody who hasn't played the game. I think that it is a matter of, there just wasn't as much time. The game got to have more time of just Joel and Ellie moving through environments and talking to each other. This show lost some of that. And so it's like the game simply has more good material in it, I think. Yeah, it's just more time to build and therefore the payoffs will hit harder. It's just a simple bit of math, I guess. The extra of a game sort of more integrating you into, you know, you're not just watching Joel. You're playing as Joel and then you're playing as Ellie at certain parts as well. I was wondering in the finale if we were going to get a big ol' horde of infected and if there are complaints about the finale, I imagine that might be one of them, but it didn't bother me. Whereas they focused on all the big character stuff. All the important stuff is there. It feels to me the same as the previous episode where it's like, oh, it really wasn't much infected at all. And it's like, is that a problem? It's like, well, I'd like to see him, but no. It doesn't make the episode bad or worse because there's no infected. It seems episode five was the big blowout episode with the infected and then afterwards it's, you know. Yeah, and I can see people already right now saying, ah, yes, it's totally fine for the zombie survival show thing to not even have enemies. Yes, that makes sense. It's like, well, I hate genre arguments. They drive me nuts. I don't like to me, though, because they're often weird and confused and hard to be consistent about. This show, what everyone, I think, agrees on, what is the last of us an IP about? It's like Joel and Ellie. That's where it's about. And they definitely came through on that, certainly in these last two episodes, in terms of what's happening to these two people. But yeah, I happily concede, I would have liked to see more Raider encounters. I would have liked to see more zombie encounters. I would have liked to see more time with everyone. Everyone. Yeah, yeah. And I honestly think zombies were a bit sparse. If we'd gotten all those things, if the season was like, you know, 18 episodes. 13 episodes. I think you'd push it to 13 and that would be enough. Yeah, no, I don't disagree with that. I just mean, fuck it. Let's go. Let's let's let's go. Yeah, yeah. Let's get. Why not have a 22 episodes? It's a matter of at that point, it's just a matter of how much money is the season going to cost. I don't care. I don't care. Yeah, make it as long as necessary. Well, what I was going to say is, I think if we had that and it was as good as this is, if not slightly better in terms of just your quality per episode, I'd be happy to call it great. I don't think I'm quite at the position to call it great. I'm not quite there either. Yeah, it's got great things about it, but overall, it's got a lot of great moments, but yeah, I'm not sure I can pay it. There is enough dragging it back that I would settle on good. It's very good. It is. I'm comfortable with good. Definitely. I'm comfortable with good. Maybe teetering towards very good. A lot of the conversation is going to immediately be about how it compares to the game or whether or not it's stacked up or is it good enough to pass most of what it's like. Probably should talk about the storytelling decisions. What happened in this episode, similarly to the game? Why are they important? It's like, well, so much effort was put into finalizing and being definitive about what relationship they have. And then you put Joel in the position of what's been presented by the fireflies. And I just think it's crystallized the moment she says, you know, I understand I've got this with the humum. I did the promises, blah, blah, blah. I really got no choice. This is what I've got to do. Basically, like, I can't change this. And then he's like, I can. And then Joel says, yeah, exactly. You're forgetting about me. I can choose. And I'm going to choose differently than you. I really enjoy the fact that Marlene's not. Nobody's stupid enough in this moment to believe. It's like, ah, okay. So you need to get the fuck out then. Like this is what I mean. I as much as I don't like the fireflies, I still get the decisions they're making. I even get the decision they're making with Ellie. It's just, I'm sorry, you've made it. This is the kind of conflict you fucking love where you can understand why the decision was made. And now you're like, well, you know what happens next is he fucking kills you. That's what happens next. Messing with his his girl. I would feel comfortable at this point saying his daughter, he totally sees her like that. Yep. Yeah. And then of course, it's just, you know, of the elements intact from the game she didn't get to choose. She didn't get to make a real informed choice. Yeah. And there's stuff to think about for exactly why Joel does what he does. And then there's conversations to have whether or not you support his decision or not. But people have no problem with the game and I doubt they'll have a problem with the show believing I would do the same thing if I were a dad in that situation. And then of course it's the same as in the game right with Ellie's, you know, what does her okay mean? Problem is that in the games, we now know that it wasn't quite that. Yeah. I can't understate how fucking happy I am. They left it ambiguous in the season one. Thank you. Thank you so much for that. Yeah. That's right. That was the good choice because yeah, as a viewer, whether or not you play the game or not, you're just left to ponder, does she actually know what's happened and has accepted this? Does she really believe him? It's a great ending. Yeah. Because I remember conversations about it at first and it's just like, the thing, the takeaway I had, and this is part of what pissed everybody off about Last Was Two was, she knows what he's done. She knows why he's done it. That's what it felt to me. That's what that fucking point of that conversation they had up to that point was. He's explaining how much he adored his daughter and how much he sees of his daughter in her. And she's like, ah, shit. Okay, look, you killed everybody to save me, didn't you? And he's like, no? And then she's like, okay. The recognition to me was always a matter of like, you're never going to tell me the truth and I know why you're not going to tell me. Let's move on. Yeah. This is not like, no conflict here is going to really move this forward. So that's just, we got something. Let's keep going. And there is no hesitation on Joel's part in his affirmation of the lie. It's like, I told you the truth and she knows just by that, it's like, you're not going to be straight with me, are you? Like, I'm not going to get it out of you. So, okay, all right. It always frustrates people as well about the second game that he just, he does such a piss poor job of explaining why he made the decision once he has to to her. That needs to be because of their objectives and the narrative he needs to be bad. That's how it comes across, yeah. Because that's being the last of us to fight so hard to contextualize Joel's actions as like completely inexcusable and irrational and it has to fight so hard to try and convince the audience of that. Bending and buckling and breaking at every turn. But it doesn't matter what happens in season two at this point because season one, it's the game. Not quite, but you know, it is the game and that it is a complete story. It's a complete package. And yeah, I assume part of what she was getting at when she was explaining all the people who've died is that that was supposed to come to a real significant point, like a cure, right? But then he cuts her off to say, hey, meaning and what we live for and what we fight for, it doesn't have to be that, it could be anything and it'll be something, something will come that makes it all worthwhile. You can look back, it's like horrible things happen because I think it's clear to both of them exactly what both of them are thinking about and that's why it's such a great scene and it wasn't a game and it was there. I think it's worth emphasizing that what we've got here on terms of a season of television is one that's really thematically strong. It's got great core arcs for these main characters. Like that is really, it's really like intact. I feel like that's something I want to emphasize amidst all of the criticism being levied at the show and some of it, I imagine, to just, you know, stemming from the meta. I mean, it's worth taking stock of what we've got here as a season of television. I'm also curious about the people who think he's like Sawie Beta Cuck Joel after that hospital scene. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know exactly. Because that was about as far as you're going to get from Sawie Beta Cuck Joel, you know? He just fucking annihilated so many of them. We even had him executed people who were either dying anyway or giving up, which, yeah. This is always something I thought there was potential within him. He's a lot of the scenes where he's holding back. He has the history. They set it all up with Tommy. That's why Tommy didn't like being with him was the, this was the shit he would do to make sure they survive. And something else I appreciated, honestly, was that we kind of kept all of the things that we needed to keep the same. I was kind of worried that he might just execute all the doctors and shit. But no, they actually do show the doctor grabbing the scalpel and he's about an inch away from going for Joel. And he shoots him. I was like, yes, they did it properly. Because he could have just had it that he was like, oh my, like, what are you doing, sir? And he just goes, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. This is like. Oh, like towering in a corner and stuff. They made sure. Please don't shoot me, huh? Yeah, they made sure to have everybody he kills be a threat, at least overtly. At least some regard. The most one you could consider as the surrend guy, but I'm more than happy to say like, yeah, you're going to have to just leave him there. Yeah, he could like pick up the gun when I'm gone and see what's up. Especially when you've got other enemies around with other guns, you need to get rid of him. I can understand. I think that guy was shooting at him before anyway, like a moment beforehand. More than likely. Yeah. And then you got the jump on him through whatever move. But yeah, there's that. There's a course that they leave him. What do they say? They leave him with his pack and a knife. So not only they whilst on the deal, but who knows what else? They didn't get his rifle even. So it's all there. This show, I almost want to not have the game in my head so that I can better see like all the connecting pieces instead of just being like, well, I know that's there because that's how that worked before. I know what you mean. Yeah, I was thinking the same. Pretty happy and relieved. Oh, it could have gone so much worse. It could have gone. It could have been terrible. It could have been completely re-engineered to fit like a Last of Us 2 focused. Everyone expected it to all be altered to either better fit Last of Us 2 or to just better fit new values as a storyteller who's doing it again. It's like, you know what? I changed my mind, blah, blah, blah. I never thought it would be this accurate. Nope, I didn't think so either. You saw how we talked about it before it started. We were not really expecting this to be good, but I'm impressed. Yeah, let's see. I like that the show runners bring in the infected when they need them. Like in episode five, you build up this confrontation between what's her face and her gang and our heroes. And it's like they're outnumbered. They're in danger. At that point, you bring a horde of infected in to kind of disrupt that conflict and then our heroes take advantage of the chaos to like escape with their lives. And in this, there is a big old infected segment from the game that was cut out, but it's nothing of character was lost. All you're really missing from that getting chopped out from this end segment is this sort of last minute panic of like, oh God, is Ellie dead? Like, and also the fact that Ellie, knowing that she can't swim, she was willing to risk her life to save Joel. Yeah. And then like he pulls her out of the water and it's like, oh my God, is she dead? Is this all been for nothing? And she's desperately trying to save her. There's a little something there that's cool, but you don't need it. All the important beats were covered. We already know from in the show that Ellie is willing to go out of her way to save Joel's life, given that how she looked after him in the winter phase when he's like in hold on. Dude, it's such a dramatic change in attitude that he has with her that you see so quickly. And we were commenting on it at the time. It's just, it's all supporters. He's not only feeling incredibly in debt to her and trusts her and loves her at this point. He also wants her to feel better. And he knows what appeals to her. He's been with her for a while now. I just want to say thanks for inviting me to watch this and talk about this with you guys. No, absolutely, dude. This is kind of a fierce, because as much as we did the Haunting of Hill House, that's not quite the same as this. This was a back and forth of the audience taking it week by week, checking it out. And I think I have absolutely no regrets about asking you to come and join us for it. Thank you for doing that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's been good. Oh, man, I've been stoked. Yeah, I just hope your chat isn't too sick of me at this point. But if you are, it's okay. This is the last one. Well, I can suck it up. Yeah, I hope you're all right, chat. Hope you do it okay today. We liked it. Okay, guys. A lot of people think I'm clinically brain dead for liking The Last of Us Part 2, but you guys had me on any way in your chat. You can talk about that with these hollers, right? Well, I was going to say, you know, I will encourage bringing you back for the coverage of the Season 2 for the TV show, and that will be really... Not really interesting. That's going to be so... Yeah, because, you know, that's going to be weird, because it's just, will they adapt that accurately? And if so, that's even longer than The Last of Us 1. Good luck, Craig. Good luck. All right, Craig, there's a lot of people... I heard Craig. I hope that you understand that people fucking hate The Last of Us 2. Well, I'm not going to lie, because there's no need. I'll just say, like, if everything runs the same and I have to see it again with these two, I'm going to be pissed off as fuck again. Yeah, it'll be like watching it all over again. It'll be the same thing, yeah, exactly. They'll ruin everything that they had worked to build in the first season. And John will be there to be like, well, hey, wait, you know, there's some stuff. Hang on, fellas. You've done the one that everyone likes, so now time to do the one that is divisive as fucking TLJ. Yep. And on that note, that is The Last of Us finale. Done. Yeah. The whole season. Thank you so much for joining us, everybody. Appreciate it. And let us know if you want to see more for these sorts of things with different shows in future. Could do older ones, could do newer ones. Like I said, I'll happily ask all of you to cover the second season list when it ever comes out. We got Gotham Knights and Mandalorian are the next ones, so... Gotham Knights and Mandalorian. Awesome. Took a second to let all that sink in. Yep. And, you know, of course, Batwomans are still going to be coming out. And it might be as well that we eventually get around to watching his story continue into the final season of Flash. That's something I've seen clips of. I could see us doing that at some point. But I got it just, you know, just want to let people know. A lot of work goes into making and editing these. So, you know, it's not just a matter of like, tick a box and you get that show. Let's just do it. It's like, no, it takes like days to not only schedule, set up, download, upload, edit, sort of, you know. Yeah, copyright and all that, yeah. We try and bring you as much as we can. And hopefully this was a fun adventure for you all. You know, good work to everyone for editing these, putting them together. Good work for making a good show. I didn't hate it. Congratulations. I didn't hate it. That's a thumbs up. And now we can breathe a little bit of a sigh of relief until, you know, until season two happens and we're worried again. Thanks, everybody. Toot-a-beep. Thank you. Good bye. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. Bye. Another ego can shoot through anything. What'd you bring me?