 contacted elles on this is course politics the National Publicity Secretary of Family equivalent faction of the Labour party come rid of him the credentials from the University of Nigeria on Suka and the National Youth Service called the Starch Certificate. These comes after will be in a press conference on Wednesday challenged President Bola Tinumbu to reveal his true identity to Nigerians. A missed is that is Bola Tinumbu certificate saga from the Chicago State University. A rabbi said that when will be filled the EC9 form. He wrote that he attended the University of Nigeria on Suka and that he also finished his youth service but unfortunately he only submitted his school certificate in the final submission of the form. Joining us to dive deeper into the conversation is Dr. Abiyomi Arabambi National Publicity Secretary Labour Party. Good to have you as a guest today come with Arabambi. Good afternoon Nigeria thank you plus TV for giving me this opportunity to set the record straight on the issues regarding Mr. Pitalbi. One can only start by asking you do you really believe in the Labour Party and the Labour ideology and the reason why I'm asking that question is it does seem to some and some indeed you know running the whispering campaign that you and some other elements may just be fifth columnist in the party. I would want to respond to that. Thank you very much they said EU must come to equity must come they claim that we must not say because we have a white thief and we have a black thief one matter is a thief is a thief Labour Party is not like any other political party and let me tell you for the fact that this is my 15 year in Labour Party somebody will not just you know most of the nomad politicians who will keep putting for one political party to the other coming to Labour Party to think they can have a few days you know with their 50 rap for where they were coming from it is not a question of any fifth columnist when you come to Labour Party and you committed a crime we don't tell them that go and see no more we have to take the boob by the hand I've just been able to expose what happened in Labour Party nobody should present it as a talk to Nigeria when in fact you know it's a black sheep so it is just setting the record straight we are you know the party not Pitalbi Pitalbi started in Afga nobody asked him why he left Afga Pitalbi was a PDP nobody bothered to ask why was why was a PDP he was a man who did a conduct election for for 80 years why he was Labour I mean a governor of Afga under the platform of Afga so he wouldn't just come with some negative rhetoric and the thing every Nigeria can be bam boost you know by such false narrative he met us in Labour Party we accepted him but we never knew we asked such you know like a baggage on his neck which are we have come to the public to explore so there are not like a question of fifth columnist the right place to interject now will be if you people the aboriginals in the Labour Party those of you who must have know who must have started the party or joined the party earlier enough as a result of ideological conviction if you people are puritanical to the ideology of the party why did you accept somebody who just flipped from another party and was using it was obvious that he was going to use a party as a as a park and ride party a party of convenience why did you people play along when you want to get married two individual are raised by their parents the little you know about us yourself you go to the altar but end of the day some people will try to manage the marriage some will say oh if it was able differences some will tell you we just want to separate some will offer after i mean the after diverse you don't blame either parties it was because it was when they come together that they got to know each other very well that the analogy that will give you why we accepted okay okay using progressing with your analogy one would then suppose that at this at this point our maturity and strategic good of the party should ordinarily have instructed a more conciliatory methodology of resolving whatever may be the differences apart from this um brick baths and the washing of dirty linen in public why would you respond to that hello doc are you there i'm with you i'm with you okay it's raining abuja that's why it's raining abuja okay did you did you hear my last uh yeah you said we are watching our dirty land in public why can't we explore alternative this resolution or maybe i'm not conciliatory methodologies of resolving whatever may be the differences between the factions now i now thank you very much ever in labor party we have not witnessed issue of forgery in our party on the way bitabi you know came on board the issue did not commence today it only commences from the day he tried to unambualize and immunize labor party where you are making you are making serious allegations unambualize would be he was trying to exercise exercise the party i said he's trying to unambualize and immunize our party i get it me and what did he do in the cabecas where the cabecas was for the nwc be you know kick against it because you have other than doctor the equipment that was a digi every other person they were from imu and anambra and we told him this is not this is not represent a true character better character where you have to spread but you know he said oh you could understand those people very well imagine want to run a presidential campaign you are putting imu as coordinator the shokoto say coordinator you are putting imu man as coordinator in san fara in in kanu and this were won led to the exodus of our candidate governorship as a president they couldn't take such nonsense from us and they pulled out they pulled out they obviously were in the public space because we took him head on that you can go and put in anambra person because it's a trader like you you ask him to the coordinating labor party in imu shokoto come be san fara it's not a bitch who's gonna take that but uh don't care about me you you cannot get say or contradict the fact that it was when he came to the party that he gave some whom a bit of energy and traction to the party so if he decided to use those you could work with because ultimately was the one that the brought the brought activities into the party why would you want to them be saying alleging emphasizing and umbralization and imu imuization so who brought who brought uh life into apc who brought life into pdp who brought life into nmp so it's also be different why don't kakuan so go to goseta make an outside man is taking with the coordinator for campaign why don't you know who goes to anambra and make a rubber man coordinator come to uh uh what you call it come to legos and make an outside man coordinator man let's just be very very realistic what light did he brought into the party let me be very frank with you we run that campaign on the fraudulent activities none of our agents were paid there was no money relief for the election just like professor shasulu to say he won us that we are taking in the man who is a trader who is coming on a plough of go and go go eat a professor shasulu to come in about it will be that he will use their party to line his pocket and then on the day he came to fall because in the election petition you knew what the judgment was we were told point blank that the way a fraudulent judges to run into market and be fetching evidences are you aware that in that position we did not front load any from eca the the polyunit result do you know we didn't i mean we didn't follow anyone with the petition they came afterward and what happened was that we budgeted 10 10 000 for two polyunited jay across the 185 000 they stole the money they didn't pay any jay even what you've been under making noise they did not release their result this was why he wrote for the search virtue copy of some result from inek and instead of that gave him below 18 000 how do you blame my inek for your failure because when in the evidence art you must have something to show for a fake or original and you now contacted that one as a fake original we didn't have any result imagine that is pure political rascality we did not submit any result in the agent the damage in the the witnesses you knew the court through a wait ten out of our witnesses they only have been there three out of the starting did you see any polyunited jay whether our supervisors whether okay okay dr abambi dr abambi because the direction you are going is a prema fascist of judici i won't want us to go on that track let's stay on the political side of things now dr abambi before i move to the allegation of impersonation or or for jui as as it is before i move into that i need to ask you a direct and straight question can you and one hand on your chest and one hand rest to your god say you are not being used by an external factor to disrupt the activities of labor party i plan to get out to be faithful and to be very honest you can see my hand on my chest okay i said i am telling you for fact okay that we run that allegation with the mission to fail see i am not just a baby politician i said we went to a lecture without polyunited jet my for god sake who is going to give on the resort the alert is very simple you must prove any form of regularity with someone who was present with someone who was present at that polyunit but we went on political expedition you know with the cult of api and our matter was disgrace we were disgrace in that court okay okay dr dr abambi if it was bad enough that you people came out of the election in a very discordant very disagreeable state the new law now is this allegation about a faking or certificate could could you put it in context i don't really want to be presumptuous in my understanding of what maybe the message you have around the issues of the of his name the inconsistency is the name on some our documents you now claim you have well you are now you need to give me time on this please i give it to go into the labor party i was another public secretary the chairman directed the then chairman directed we supervise the the the form to make sure it's okay because we only have 24 hours to the last day of submission of presidential candidate then it will not only occupy you know within when the king so when we did that he wrote in the form is in a that is a particular sort of candidate that attended the university of mejeda isoka you know as a second is cool yeah but it is also so and for but because we were rushing from asaba to abuja that it was for me before that was a last day are you asking as lazy the well you know what about that document are you feeling is it no you get them across because you were rushing you know you have to leave pdp then that was all it was me over time we asking who elektron is coming can we be able to do fornish and let me do without the duty then we never knew he asked let him discover but as time goes on you know during our campaign information stop featuring when we go to the east to campaign especially when the i mean the presidential should do at money job that that guy is not real we thought you know he was joking on the issues that now surrounded our nomination of candidate and i will very clear with you in the burning in those days some things upon that we have never witnessed in our life the candidate that the primary before we became when we became it was interested in putting these people there but rather for them to meet the candidate that were there in line with the letter at who asked to write letter of widower one then abuja widower two the letter would be written to the national chairman of the party that i want to withdraw which is allowed in electoral law then the abuja widower you will now go to a court with the commentator for you not do both and abuja widower truly you are the one that is withdrawing for the incoming candidate but what did we see they didn't tell us anything when they now publish is the last name the name of you know of the finalists of candidate we found that some of our candidate have been removed the end that was when this issue began we call it everything we put out be we were shocked he said no worry we should not worry we should not worry he's about to win our competition the rest of you want to win the election and the people say no we don't need your compensation you have your family we have our family we paid for this for you didn't you are not the one that paid for this for for all we want to know who changed our name when they were not coming with the favorable answer we now pose there to i next and then i'll give us what is submitted to change the name we now found that there was an abuja widower in the court we wrote to the court the court now replied that those documents were forged by abuja and the national secretary there so in the process of getting to know all this when we now found that the document was forged and we had the certified copy of the forth document from the court one abuja we presented to the police we wrote the petition and poli did a forensic audit when this order now came out that was when Peter Lee came on board we told him but to our surprise which i said in detail in my press conference he said we should leave it on the when we are won an election this was where we now began to suspect this man we should leave someone that forged the seal of the court 23 in FCT that red seal the manufacture their own the commissioner for oath signature and stamp the manufacture their own then the treasury single account the generated receipt for themselves you can see how people are criminally minded and they submitted this to inek another now thought it was original on the way the court confirmed and by that we have fulfilled the law regarding evidence art because when you want to confirm for you you have to put the one to the original so we said the one this sent to an egg and court now confirmed back toward that the one the submitted to an egg was forged it was not from them and that was the departure point between us beta b since that day beta b now because of this as he said for most he now move towards the fogear and we now present to FCT icon as it i call restraint aburi a lot i love this after no i'm coming let me give it a grand three days after when aburi will restrain do you know the all of them put it in the safe to asaba for a put it in a committee where they now say oh they have a status of us that is for the fogear and obvious to pretend death over the enmity nobody nobody within we we now cubis besides the character in the open glare of television in now since sat there they oh and apapa you are dismissed this one you are spared because we said no we don't want to do for since that time we kept it at arm length until when this is yours after the fogear came about so because i was involved in the in the feeling of his form i got in me and now began to rape curiosity and let me tell you something today that he doesn't know i was desperate to know beta b through the wife of that his brother but he didn't know because they didn't show me to him then when we are trying to bring him to labor pattern when i when i know that woman so it was enough process that we got to know when he now said in his press conference that his father gave him beta obi as his bad name i knew he was lying he was only won't be able to name that was why i now came out to say oh what we know about you let's open it to the public for and let me tell you the question that i asked him that in his press conference today it is not answer i asked him his bad certificate he should give what you're reading now not a swan avidavit because i know he will not receive peter gregory uh oh what was he i mean obi peter gregory obi that was not the name that please say name i demanded for the bad certificate i demanded for his primary school certificate obi just is the two for god's sake i mean the school is very fresh now he can he can get it i demanded the second new school he uses you understand has a name that was different for me back for the king because as young as obi is his parents must have been the one that would take him to elementary school his parents must have been the one that would take him to secondary school so how money so he ran he ran him up dr alabambi what are you specifically alleging here we are alleging that peter obi result was not his own the result is using belong to his dead brother and he accepted that in his press conference of today i will send it to you in the best of the in the in the in the press conference today he claimed to the processing you know for their own group there he claimed that he had an immediate brother who is dead but they attended in bachelome naked and so that the man study computer science is study philosophy and so they ever tell anybody that he has a brother that certain says it's what the result of that man that he was using because the man is dead but today i am glad that of all he only considered one fact that he has a brother who is dead he had a brother or he has a brother he had a brother a brother that is dead truly he confirmed i'm going to send you the i'm going to send you the back page you know of their we're really we're really accepted he accepted that they both attended in bachelome naked which i said he was using the subject of that man because if you look at it very well the sequence of obi name have changed and my dear brother i want to ask you a question when you are to be mobilized for for nyc who says your name to the nyc isn't you or the school after you must have been cleared by the library after you must be cleared by the by by the policy department that you are not going and you know the student uh uh the student of the department the student of the department everybody must have cleared you who says your name for mobilization it is the university of polytechnic but you can see that the name is university is different from the name in okay we we have to again and let me tell you why the difference that was the time the man was arrested he you he started the aniquita and the time we really have to go we really have to go uh comrade time is time is very unfair at this at this no at times like this i'm really really very pained you know quite enjoying your your you know the way you are putting your case but unfortunately we have to go thank you very much thank you so so much for this privilege uh still only the cripple still only discrepancies with the names written on the certificates of the labor party's presidential candidate peter obi a spokesman for the party's presidential campaign council union sir tanko has shared a different view tanko challenged rabbi to show the proof of his allegation against to be unlabeled the rabbi's move has a mischievous accusation joining me to strike a balance in our office is nana sanny kazawre spokesperson obi dati presidential campaign council nana is a pleasure having you on our set virtually today thank you good evening thank you for having me feeling that you are who's listening to us virtually we really have to ask you was there any press conference by your presidential candidate today and did he specifically accept the fact that he had a brother who passed on who went to the same schools with him was that true i'm not aware that he had a presidential uh oh sorry i'm not aware that he had a conference but i am aware that yes he he he's spoken very plainly about his brother who was in school with him you know arab ambi made a comment and first and foremost what we should look at is arab ambi's timing it's clear that he's you know doing somebody else's bidding and running around like well well want of a better word they had less chicken and i'm it's quite worrying that a man like pito b lives rent free in arab ambi's head it might be quite it must be quite traumatizing for dr arab ambi that said to answer your question i'm not aware that he had a press conference today but i do know that he has explained to us quite extensively his brother his eldest brother is alive arab ambi's um outburst you know which as far as i'm concerned you know is a misadventure and an exercise in futility arab ambi's outburst was that he's he's using his eldest brother's documentation pito his eldest brother is alive and well and kicking he's not dead yes he does have a brother who was deceased and that brother read went to the same university as he did u n n and he read computer science pito b has never come out to say that he read computer science he read philosophy and that's where he got his bachelor's degree and that's what he has always maintained i do not know how arab ambi can claim that he used his brother his late brother's certificate nana nana he does seem that the very the very kind of allegation of obscurantism of opacity that you people seem to be throwing at one of your opponents is what seems to be building do we still have nana with us i can hear you but i do not know why it has gone off yes i hope you've not touched any okay now you're back now your beautiful face now graces the screen okay nana i'm just looking at it all over again given given the nature of the fervor with which majority of your digitally literate members or supporters seem to be pointing accusing fingers at the other candidates the opponents of your principal it does seem now that pito b may not be any dint better than the two other candidates when it comes to the consistency transparency lucidity of of their backgrounds it's just like the category calling the pot black i would respond to that no no no no no i think you're quite wrong to say that he has always been peter greggory um um boasi ob he did tell us during his press conference he explained to us that his father named him um boasi that that means i cannot die and then because he's of the catholic faith when he did his confirmation and it was time for him you know there's there's a whole thing that they do in the catholic church his back to his his um the name given to him by the catholic church is where greggory comes in there's been no discrepancy in who he is i do not think peter excuse me please excuse me please i do not think a man like pito obi if we asked him to reintroduce himself would have any problem doing so we know who his schoolmates are we know who his classmates are we know where he comes from we know who his parents are there's there's there's a trajectory the man has traction there are people who sat in the same classroom as as he did there are people who sat in the same school environment as he did so i don't know my arabic like i said it must be very difficult and i do extend my sympathies to a man like dr arabic seems eloquent and but it's it must be quite difficult for bgm and pito obi to live rent free in his head okay it must be quite traumatic and there's something that senaka said you know a philosopher he said and i paraphrase we seem to you know as human beings it's a lot easier for people to put figments of their imagination it's it we we we bring figments of our imagination and walk away from reality the reality of the fact is arab and b is going around and i do i i i would i say this is all sincerity and all respect to media but i wonder why he's even being given any airway okay let me let me give you one of the reasons let me give you one one of the reasons why the media may be giving him some degree of credence than you think it deserves now if peter obi is catholic the catholic church we're not christian him twice so i wonder where peter where he got peter from and where he got gregory from because if he was christian if he was christian in the church ordinarily they will give him one christian name so how come peter is now playing against gregory he didn't he didn't think there's any ambiguity in that he has explained it when he got to a certain age and it was time for his confirmation he was given the name gregory i think you would have to ask somebody who's of the christian faith to answer that question for you better i'm not from the christian faith so it's difficult and i'm not catholic so it would be difficult for me to really shed a lot of light on that but i've explained it and we understand we are africans excuse me please you asked me a question allow me to finish thank you we are africans and we do know that a lot of the time our parents give us names neighbors give us names you know and then even religiously names come up over the span of our lives it doesn't mean that we are not the same person that we were even if for example even if he added those names to his name and um there's nothing in the nigerian constitution once you are an adult that stops you from being able to change your names for as many times as you need to as long as you are not a fraud a thief a murderer i see no reason why it should it should even be such an issue the man is who he says he is and we can verify that it's not okay anything okay nana you you've been quite articulate about and i'm very very pungent in the way you're making your point but let's move beyond even the seeming inconsistencies in the name of of your principal or the allegations of of inconsistencies in the names on certificates that that the likes of whatever i'm making how would you ask me can i can i explain something briefly i'm sorry if i cut you short please i apologize no no go ahead go ahead i'm very thankful that we have a body like the national identity you understand because a lot of us have taken for granted how our name should feature you understand if i i had to really go and do a rectification because what was on my passport and i'm still the same person was not the way it featured in one of my documents and i needed to submit it to the to to the back i needed to submit it to arm for pension and so the names i'm still the same person things affected the way it came out in my passport and so it had to be redone so it's not a big deal and thank god there are institutions in Nigeria that help us rectify let's move to some other one or two other issues that don't be okay um they are also claiming the the other side or the other faction of your party they are also claiming allegations of making allegations of forgery against your your factions a chairperson that he forged the the signature of somebody who supposedly said he was not it was no longer going to contest how would you respond to that my response is very simple and i will just the supreme court said it all these people aren't our members these people should you know the supreme court threw away all their charges against our chairperson against the um the whole labor party and they they they're just i don't want them call them names because one thing i do know is that there's always room for reconciliation if if i i believe that if pete obi was the person sitting down here right here and now he would even call for them to say you know what let's be reconciliatory let's go back to the drawing board and if they have any rather than come out with all these nonsense and like i said misadventurous um ventures and vitriol against the party and pete obi why don't you just come to the table if you have questions ask the necessary questions to the right people and you'll get an answer but running around all every time and trying to cause problem doesn't speak well to the person of dr arabambi he seems to be a very eloquent man he seems to be a very passionate man it's something that you have to admire about him but at the point where you know you you he goes against the rule of law what the supreme court has already ruled against the matter then he gives me pause for concern about the kind of person somebody somebody somebody as intelligent as you should also be telling your principal maybe it's about time he sued for libel if he believes that oh my lord is making fun of me may god forgive you what do you think because some of these allegations are libelous and different mr bola you are absolutely right perhaps that's what i would do perhaps that's what you would do perhaps that's what every other nigerian would do but pete obi has shown us time and time again that he's just a cut above the rest the man is a man of peace the man isn't you know he's he's he's not wired that way i've said it before let's look at the position of peace i think i like the i think i like that we live it at this position of peace amity peace amity even the way he carries himself the money i've said it before i said it once i said to the person i said he is so agreeable that people think him is simpleton he will tell you he's the first person to tell you i'm not a saint he's the first person that will tell you you know when people say things to him is not that he doesn't have the answer but he has trained himself over and over again to just sit back bite his tongue and try and see where the person is coming from try to see the other side so like you said you'd prefer to agree he's just a man of peace he's somebody who always just cares about how you are how the other person is doing and that's because i have a personal relationship with him a working relationship before they now say something else in the media because there's a personal working relationship with this individual i like to call him his excellence pito he's just a man of peace he's just a man that he's very reconciliatory if you will look at his the way he works when people insult him he'll come you say my elder brother the person is my brother he'll say i'm a trader you're a professor continue from where i stop he's not one to jump into the fray please and i'm begging please we really have to go now thank you thank you very much thank you so much thank you thank you i appreciate having this conversation thank you very much now go in it sure do appreciate you too thank you