 Are these the Ravens or the Orioles? Because they swung and missed, yet again. Amaywa Agba, Zidarius Smith, and now Bobby Wagner. Three free agents on defense might I add that the Ravens were interested in, that the Ravens pursued, but it just ended up falling through. And each situation is of course different. Zidarius Smith, oh, that may have been the worst one because they had him agree to a contract, but then he changed his mind. And with Bobby Wagner, we just kept hearing, oh, Ravens are interested, Rams are interested, back and forth, Ravens made a competitive offer, the Rams are still in it, back and forth. And a lot of people felt like he used the Ravens for leverage. A lot of people felt like Zidarius Smith used the Ravens for leverage. But whatever it is, whatever the case was, Ravens lost. They lost again. Whatever spin you wanna put on it, oh yeah, Bobby Wagner's from LA, so he wanna go play back home. Yeah, the Rams just came off the Super Bowl and they looking to compete for another one right away. Oh, the AFC is way more stacked than the NFC is, easier situation from him. Oh, he gets to play behind Aaron Donald versus behind, we don't even know yet. So he, and he's from there, that's home. So he had plenty of reasons to go back to LA, but the point still remains that the Ravens lost out yet again. But at least they tried. Yeah, this feels like a dream. Oh, just what I mean. What I mean. You too, team, keep it clean. You see my boy, he like, I done made it, I done made it. Well, that's my homie, ain't that right in Graven? Right in Graven. Team, keep it clean. What's going on? It's AintGraven here with another episode of NFL Questions From Subs, the special Bobby Wagner edition. And what Questions From Subs is, is a series where you can ask me any question and we answer in a video like this. And if you want to be part of it, you can send me an email to teamkeepitclean at gmail.com or for the patrons. You can send it directly on Patreon. If you want to become a team, keep it clean, Patreon, you can go to patreon.com slash AintGravenVis and if you don't, you don't have to. It is A-OK. I love y'all team, keep it clean. We got some great questions about Bobby Wagner. Let's get into it. First question on this episode came from Mars. Said, I hope your day is going well aside from the new surrounding Bobby Wagner. I gotta get straight to the point with this one though. What are we doing in free agency? There's a comment someone left under one of your recent vids that says something like, if you built a team from all the players the Ravens pursued, you'd have a Hall of Fame team. Deandre Hopkins, Jamal Adams, Darius Smith, Michael Brocker is in now Bobby Wagner. Oh, it's a lot longer than that. But anyway, Baltimore keeps letting us get our hopes up just to lose every bidding war they get into. That's why the Marcus Williams signing was so surprising. We never make moves like that. And like I said before, I think we logged out of free agency. To make this a question engraving, what do you think the issue is? Are we just too cheap? Or is there something else going on? Well, I think, especially with the cases in cases like Bobby Wagner, Darius Smith, I think these players, they know how the Ravens are viewed across the NFL. Ravens are viewed as a prestigious franchise, a successful franchise. One of their viewed as one of the best franchises in the league. They've been around like what, 26 years, already got two Super Bowls and they don't lose. They don't have losing seasons very often. And they have always competitive. So they have this sort of respect around the league. And I think these players see that and they're like, ha, okay, you know what? All right, I got something. So Bobby Wagner, for example, he could have, apparently the Rams were interested first. The Ravens, they will say that the Ravens were interested too. We weren't sure how serious the interest was. And it came out that the Ravens were really interested. And then it came out that Rams were still interested. And it came out the Ravens, they offered them a contract, a competitive contract. And then we heard the Rams, they still were thinking about signing Bobby Wagner if they could. And then we just, back for, back for, back for. But Bobby Wagner could have presented that to the Rams and be like, hey, these Ravens, you know, they all about defense. They haven't had a linebacker like me since Ray Lewis. If I go over there, they'll love me. They'll love me. And I know they're gonna present a respectable contract to me. All right, Rams, what are y'all gonna do? What are y'all gonna do? And like, when you think about it, like really when you think about it and just be straight up with yourself, him going to the Rams over the Ravens is such an easy decision on so many different levels. Some of them that we touched on early in the video as far as like who he knows, even if the Ravens drafted Jordan Davis, if they drafted the best interior defensive linemen, if they drafted all the best interior defensive linemen, he goes and gets to play behind Aaron Donald. Like, come on now, he's from over there. So he's playing at the crib. He gets to make a lot of money playing at the crib. He gets to join a team that continues to add special players on every level of their team, not just every level of defense, every level of offense, defense, all of that stuff. And he really goes to, they just came off the Super Bowl. And again, AFC loaded, all these trades, all these players, top players, they're going from the NFC to AFC. Meanwhile, Tom Brady, he just came back and that's it, that's all you gotta deal with. You gotta deal with Tom Brady and the referees on the NFC side. I mean, you gotta deal with the Packers too, but man, like, yeah, it's far less competition over there than the NFC. Much easier situation. He get to play the Seahawks at least two times a year and show them like, hey, y'all cut me, y'all thought I wasn't good enough? Okay, I got you. It's an easy decision for him, easy decision. But I just think, yeah, players are using the Ravens. Ravens are getting like, they're getting an Okie Dog now. That's what it seems like. It seemed like they're getting an Okie Dog by these players. It's Darius Smith, we know that whole situation. He like literally agreed to a deal with her. Okay, yeah, cool, all right. You know what, nah, nevermind. I'm straight off of that. I don't want that deal. So, I don't know if it's anything deeper than that. I, no clue, no clue, but whatever the Ravens got going on or don't got going on, some gotta give and some gotta give fast. Next question came from my guide, DeWon. He said, is it me or Bobby Wagner signed to the Rams? It's like when Kevin DeRans signed to the Warriors. A team that already has all the stars it needs and is already stacked, his impact will be much more huge on the Ravens than it's going to be with the Rams. But it is what it is. Ooh, my friend DeWon, you sound mighty salty. Mighty salty. And I've seen a lot of comments like these from Ravens fans because there were so many Ravens fans like, oh, Bobby Wagner at Baltimore. Bobby Wagner, oh, he would be so great with the Ravens. You could put him next to Patrick Queen. Oh my goodness, they would make Patrick Queen's job that much easier while Bobby Wagner does a great job at his job. But then everybody around him, the job gets easier too. Oh my goodness, Ravens, let's do it. But then as soon as he signed with the Rams, oh, why are Rams paying all that money to a 31-year-old lying back? Oh, what a waste of money. Oh, overpaid, oh, overrated. And you see all that hate come from their hearts. My friend, don't do it, man. Don't do it. His impact with the Ravens would have been much more. I think he would have been much more for the Ravens, but not for the Rams. Reason I say that because the Ravens, they have Marcus Peters, Marlon Humphrey and Marcus Williams is an ascending player, but they just don't have the special at every level of defense like the Rams have over there. And yeah, man. So he's gonna make a good impact with the Rams because yeah, they have a lot of special, but he adds to it and makes them that much more special overall. Next question came from my boy, Rave Kingdom. He says, since Ravens like to keep cheap, why don't we just sign Antonio Brown or Julio on a cheap deal? Now, what are you looking for? Are you looking for quality or are you just looking for quantity because it's cheap? With Antonio Brown, I don't know what's going on with him. He apparently said that he's not gonna sign a deal. Well, he's not gonna get his surgery on his ankle until a team commits to him. And that's kind of like thinking in reverse. Like why would you wait to get that done till a team commits? Why don't you get that done so you could stay ready so you ain't gotta get ready? With Julio Jones, that would be a very Ravens like signing. I wouldn't mind if they signed him just as long as they got a significant wide receiver, whether it's via trade or through the draft. Well, it could not be Julio Jones and be like, all right, we're done. No. Next question came from Banjo. He said, before I ask my question, just wanted to say we appreciate you and how many videos you've been dropping lately. Every day I work out and I just autoplay your two new videos and then they really keep me in the loop and freshen my point of view. So thanks, man. I know I appreciate that. I need to do some working out myself. But anyway, he said, I was recently making a mock draft and I saw Derek Stingley Jr. Is widely expected to be available at pick 14 and is falling down the boards due to maturity concerns and injury concerns. That second one would be the concern for me. Similar to Michael Parsons of last year and look how he turned out. I think that bolstering up our secondary after our two starters got hurt last season would be huge. And we all know what Stingley is capable of from his freshman year. Struggle with some injuries after that but still shows signs of pro bowl potential at an NFL level. He is extremely athletic. He ran a 4-3 flat in high school and has great ball skills and there's even clips of him locking up Jamal Chase in practice. Just wanna get your input on what you would think of that pick at 14. Mm. That would be something right there. Them drafting a cornerback at 14 overall. I would be very worried if it was him. Every time I hear about him, everybody talks baller. I would just be very worried about the injuries. Injuries scared me. I'm a Ravens fan. I think a lot of y'all probably have the same kind of feelings when it comes to injuries. If somebody has had, not to say they can't overcome it because we've seen it before but usually with history and hopefully for him it doesn't but usually with history it repeats itself. That would be the only, like play wise, no, he can be a baller but that would be the only thing that will worry me every time I saw him go down, I would be scared. Every time I saw him make a tackle, every time I saw him do a jump ball and try to swatter the way or whatever and fall to the ground, I would be scared only because of the history. If I could erase that history, then I'd be okay. Next question came from Skye. He said, hello, hope your day is going well and this would be my second question or more. I have a feeling so whenever I go on YouTube, I'm always seeing videos of the same people who diss Lamar saying why he hasn't signed yet. I believe it's very clear that Lamar is banking on himself to win the Super Bowl so the running back talk can end so he knows to himself that he deserves the money. I just don't understand why these people who are trying to push him out the door just to be like he needs to get paid big money. Sorry for the ram but I find it very annoying but thank you for listening and hopefully like Bobby with the Rams deal, I'm out. Oh yeah, nah, he ain't backing out of that and I don't think Bobby gonna pull a Zidarius. But yeah, yeah, Lamar seems to be betting on himself and it's a risky take but it's gonna pay off in the long or maybe even the short run. All right, it's gonna pay off so I'm looking forward to when it does. Next question came from my boy Alan P. He said, I'm finding it extremely difficult for the Ravens to give Lamar the Sean Watson type of money and still be as competitive as they've historically been. I love Lamar and even bought his jersey but I know this game is a business so I propose a trade with the Houston Texans if they agree with it, of course. I'm declining your trade right then and there. No, I'm not doing it. So your trade is null and void from here moving forward. We'll still read it but it's over already. He said it, so with the Houston Texans their first four picks in this year's draft. That's picks three, 13, so that's two first rounders. A second rounder in pick 68. I don't know which round that is. I ain't trying to do the math, it's too late. It's 12.45 in the morning by the way. He said, so that for Lamar Jackson and Hollywood they have the money in the need for, that is a terrible trade. Two first rounders and a second and whatever pick 68 is for Lamar and Hollywood, that is a, no, that is a terrible trade. Even for people who wanna get rid of Lamar, no, that is a very, very bad trade. No, I mean, we already stopped it before we read this but now after we read it, we just gotta stop it even more. Anyway, he said they have the money in need for both. It's a win-win, I think. That would not be no win-win for no Ravens. Two first round picks and a second and a f... Oh man. Anyway, he said, oh maybe I'm just a crazy GM wannabe who doesn't see Lamar playing here after the second franchise tag anyway. Tell me what you think, thanks. I appreciate the question now, Alan. You know I do but, oh no, I can't get with that one. And then there were three. Next question came from my guy, Diego. He said, I ain't graven, it's been a while since I submitted one of these. Hope your family is doing well and I appreciate the effort you put in to bring us all this Ravens content every day. I mean it, bro. You spoil us so much with this fantastic content. Hey, I appreciate it, man. Like he said, the reason that my question is named what it is is because I feel like there are only three legit inside linebackers that we can sign and plug next to PQ that will be great starters for us. Those three names are former Bronco, Alexander Johnson. I'm not familiar with him at all. Like at all. A former Viking, Anthony Barr. I am familiar with him. Didn't even know he was a free agent. And former Patriot, Dante Hightower. Oh, okay. Familiar with him too. Ain't he a former Brown too? Anyway, if you were to pick from one of these guys who was to sign, who would you pick? Anyway, Q of the Great Work. You're much loved to you and team keep it clean. And he said, hashtag G-Roy got to go. Anthony Barr, he got good speed. I thought he was more of an outside linebacker though. I didn't know he was an inside. I thought he was more of an outside either way. Either Dante Hightower or Anthony Barr. Or again with the first guy, Alexander Johnson. I'm not familiar with his game. Like I said, at all. But with Anthony Barr, probably Anthony Barr just for the speed, like that's game-changing speed at linebacker. Now we know speed ain't everything because if you can't tackle. So you know what? Cause we got Patrick Queen for speed. If I gotta pick one of the three, give me the one that's the best tackler. Next question came from my guy Anthony. He said, so Bobby Wagner is a ramen. Everybody in their mama seems to be leaving Seattle. Was wondering what you think of trading for Jamal Adams. Just a thought I had. Also, even get Gilmore on a one or two year deal. I know we need a pass rush, but I feel like a good back, a good back end helps out a lot. Many blessings to you and the family, trust. Appreciate it. Jamal Adams, nah. I mean, you want a better pass rush. He will certainly help the pass rush. He's a safety. He's more so outside linebacker. Man, that dude loves to blitz. He will make the Ravens, he will make the Ravens better. He will really, like, seriously, he will make that pass rush better. Oh, but no, that's some, he like, he like, he like one of the last men standing on the Seahawks, man. He one of the last men standing over there. Oh my goodness. I remember when there was all that Ravens, they were, they almost traded for him. They almost traded for him, but they didn't want to give it up. They didn't want to give it up for that trade there, man. So yeah, that was a, I think that person earlier mentioned him on that list, but yeah, that was another guy on that list, the Ravens almost. But as far as Jamal Adams, no, no, it would, I don't think it would be worth it for Jamal Adams. And as far as Stefan Gilmore, I mean, there was a lot of people who were just interested in getting Stefan Gilmore. I don't think he would even come to the Ravens because he would be a quality starter, but he would want, not with the Ravens though. Like he can start, but I think he would want to start. And they got Marlon Humphrey and Marcus Peters. So I don't think he would even think about coming to the Ravens. Next question just came from my guy, Bibi. He said, I think it's funny how everyone is making a big deal about the DeSean Watson deal in Cleveland. He's not guaranteed to play ever again possibly. Not, he gonna play again. Ain't no way that the NFL gonna take him out forever. I think it is possible that he gets suspended this year, but to never play again? No, the NFL ain't, they ain't letting that happen. Too much money on the line. Anyway, he said that Browns are a messy organization when it comes to signing QBs. As bad as this sounds, Browns will end up missing Baker Mayfield in the long run. My question is if DeSean can't play, who will the Browns try to compete with at quarterback? Will they sign another name and free agency or draft another QB in the first round just in case? Thanks to you and the Team Keep It Clean family. Appreciate that, Bibi. I think they signed Jacoby Brasette. I'm pretty sure they signed Jacoby Brasette, so I think they will turn to him. It would be nice for them if they had Baker Mayfield in their back pocket, but you know, he wanna be out of there. You know, he wanna be out of there. Like that'd be a luxury to have both DeSean Watson, then you got Baker Mayfield as a just-in-case option, but you know, Baker Mayfield is done there. He also said, as a Raven fan, I've learned never to get my hopes up with this team signing anyone that's not drafted as a Raven. This team is all about their draft picks and rarely gives anyone any money. My question, how are the Ravens gonna keep up? Well, we know how, but the real question is, will they? He said, EDC that tight on the funds? I know every dollar counts, but I gotta keep it clean. Thanks again for the good and bad news. Hashtag invest. Ooh, I love how you ended that. Next question came from Rave Kingdom. He said, Bobby Wagner signing with the Rams and not the Ravens hurt. Mostly because not only was he a good fit and a good leader, but he was a perfect mentor and example that Patrick Queen can learn from and see what it's like to be a true middle linebacker. If Ravens digging for agency for a middle linebacker, who would be chosen? First and foremost, let me say I really appreciate the maturity in this question because he acknowledged that it hurt and he didn't try to diss Bobby Wagner. He ain't try to say, oh man, he ain't that good anyway, oh man, he wouldn't have been that good with the Ravens in any way. I love how you acknowledge how good he would have been here, what he could have done with the Ravens and the fact that you're hurt, that it won't be happening. So shout out to you, but as far as who now? I don't even, I think the Ravens are just, they're gonna go back to somebody that they're comfortable with, so probably like Josh Bynes. I think that's what they'll do. Which middle linebacker would I get? Maybe Kwan Alexander, if he was healthy. Signing to like probably like a two year deal. All the Ravens signings are most likely gonna be like two, three year deals. Cause they ain't gonna be, they're gonna be like, oh, we don't got the cap and we gotta stretch it out. So expect anybody at the Ravens sign to be like a two to three year deal. Then that's just a heads up for everybody. So maybe Kwan Alexander, maybe, man, you know who I wish was a free agent? He played for the same, oh, Demario Davis. Oh man, if they traded for him, oh, I would be hype man. I love Demario Davis, man. But, so those would be my options. Next question came from Patricio and appreciate you being a new patron. So that ain't graven, I hope you're having a nice day. I'm a new Patreon member and I got a question for you. Do you think after wagging a sign with the Ravens is EDC going to try to get another linebacker? Maybe with the draft that we can trade for a big name linebacker to play for us? Or is EDC finally gonna try to invest heavily in the offense and keep our linebackers how they are? Greetings from Cancun. I wanna go there one day so bad. I love your videos, I'm happy to be a Patreon member. Hey, I appreciate that Pat, thank you. I think he'll definitely look to get another linebacker because the fact that they were really trying for Bobby Wagner, it shows that they know that and they don't believe in Patrick Queen like that to be the guy for them at inside linebacker because they're trying to get somebody else. So there's no way that the Ravens just stand patting like, all right, we'll roll with who we got, no. And whether that's gonna be in free agency or via trade or through the draft, I think it'll be a mix of getting somebody, getting a veteran and also drafting somebody, but there's no way that they stay exactly where they are. They definitely still gonna be making moves. And the last questions came from my guy, Rodeo. He said, I'm sorry, we are sorry. While I hope you're okay, I'm clearly not. Bobby just signed with LA maybe two minutes ago. I'm absolutely hurt, but not because he signed there. My guy, I'm convinced that Baltimore does not want to win. Relevancy and having the smartest accountant in the classroom is all they care about. Am I mad that Bobby signed with the Rams? Yes, but kind of seen it coming. I'm beyond mad that they can land all this talent and we can't. Well, we can, but we don't choose to. Man, oh man, money talks and we know what walks. Aiden or Arden Key. Oh yeah, he just signed with, who did the Jaguars? Bobby Wagner signed with the Rams, Juju Smith-Schuster, well, he chose to steal us over the Ravens last year and now he's on the Chiefs, et cetera. I'm mad about how responsible we are. Sounds crazy, right? I'm seeing teams be irresponsible with this imaginary term called CAP and those teams end up having the most success you can have in this game. While this one team is so responsible and smart and intelligent, but doesn't have success in his mediocre at best. I do fear for Elamar Jackson now. Will he get paid from Baltimore? Maybe, maybe not. But he won't be surrounded with talent like this 35 year old in LA. Honestly, if you told me we can compete in three Super Bowls in the next seven years, but we'll have a minimal cap space, a minimal picks, I'm all for it. Oh, I would be too. I would be all over that. Oh, we could compete for Super Bowls in the next, three of them in the next seven years. Sign me up. Oh, we ain't gonna have much Casper. Oh, we ain't gonna have much traffic. Sign me up. Anyway, he said my ceiling for the Ravens ain't no higher than my sunroof. This mindset has to go. Man, oh man, what is CAP? Then he said, my God, forgive me. I just sent you a question an hour and a half ago, but I'm raging. I'm still shocked. Again, am I mad? Bobby chose LA? No, I am mad, however, that we are having the same debacle every year. This cheap mantra gets us nowhere. How do the Rams have an all pro on every level of the defense? The best why receiving football last year. You cannot force me to believe CAP space is a real deal. The CAP is where you know the rest. What has been cheap done for us? Cause cause us to miss out on superstars, stars and key pieces. And now the whole cheap mantra that a lot of people say the Ravens are, it ain't just got to do with money. It's got to do with draft picks as well. Because there have been plenty of times where the Ravens have had opportunities to get those guys, guys that I like that. They didn't want to give up an extra draft pick. They didn't want to give up the extra third round pick, that extra fourth round pick. Remember Jaylen Ramsey in the draft? Oh, I do. Anyway, the bingo signed seven free agents last year and all of them played a crucial role. While Marcus Williams is a good signing, Taran Armstead was the best tackle on the market. That's a splash signing. Honey Badger is the best safety. That's a splash signing. Bobby Wagner, splash signing. It's no way 10 rookies will get us to the Super Bowl. This approach along with defenses, winning games is now extinct. At the point, I want Lamar to demand Pluto at contract time. They aren't looking out for him. Why should he? Honestly, man, this is outrageous. And the argument of we will be healthy. Don't forget how we were the number one seed. Well, guess what? Not only will the rest of the league be healthy, they also improved in several ways. I'm telling you, my expectations are low, man, 15 and two, 17 and oh, wouldn't impress me. It's what happens next. Our offense is young, man. Veteran leadership of someone that's been there and done it would help drastically. A top 10 wide receiver would help drastically. I think I'm done for now, but boy, oh boy, we ain't going far worrying about 10 draft picks and financial responsibilities. Woo. Wow. I am not mad at any of that at all. It's frustration. It's frustration with the same old stuff. And Raven still got time. Obviously free agency is not over. The off season is still somewhat young, but you continue to see all these teams just moving. You see them moving. When you see the Ravens sitting back, the headphones on, listening to music, listening to Snow James, listening to R&B. And they're like, oh, we're just chilling right now. We're just vibing. And you keep hearing this, oh man, EDC probably got something big playing. Oh, he got something coming up next. And we're just waiting for it. Not saying it can't happen. We're just waiting for it. We're just waiting for something. Something that's really gonna move the Ravens a lot significantly forward. That's what we're waiting on. And that like, I'm almost scared for whatever the Ravens' next move is. I'm like, I'm scared for how fans feel about it because depending on what it is, it could be like, whoa! Or it could be very underwhelming. It has a much higher chance to be underwhelming than over. But Ravens, their options out there, they can still pull some stuff off. But let's see them just catch up. Cause again, they're behind. They're behind the AFC. And yet, even if they get healthy, they're behind a lot of teams in the AFC. Like on paper at least, yeah. We know all the stuff gotta come together, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But Ravens gotta get with it, man. And not only be competitive, but be contenders. Not only be hanging around in games, but no, be hanging around in playoffs and making stuff happen and winning there too. Ravens have to get significantly better. Significantly better. Get game changers, man. It's there for the taken. But Ravens gotta make up their mind that they actually wanna grab it.