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PhD are founders of the Academy for Future Science. Dr. J.J. Hirtak wrote the bestseller, The Book of Knowledge, The Keys of Enoch. And together, they have written numerous books, including Over Self Awakening and Mind Dynamics and Space and Time. The latter co-authored with physicist Dr. Elizabeth Rauscher, examining quantum physics and the power of the mind. They have written so many books, contributed to so many books, including the Making Contact book. And doctors Hirtak have appeared on Netflix, BBC Radio, Gaia TV, Coast to Coast AM, Deepak Chopra's Wellness Radio on SiriusXM, Hay House Radio and many others. If you'd like to learn more about them, go to KeysOfEnoch.org or FutureScience.org. And with that, I welcome Drs. J.J. and Desiree to the show. Welcome to Dear to Dream. It is so great to have you. Thank you so much for the great introduction. We're honored to be here. And as you know, we are working in a very provocative subject that we're gonna talk about today in some greater depth. Absolutely, thank you so much. So I wanna kick start with this. You are both spiritual activists. I really like the sound of that word. And you say that our positive intentions become a means for powerful change. We could really use that right now. So when we work by ourselves or in groups, specifically, how can we transform our thoughts? What do you do to transform thoughts into positive reality shifts? Really, just the understanding of our tremendous energy possibilities that historically we're connected with what the Eastern traditions called the seven chakras and the Western traditions, the seven seals, realizing that our body is a tabernacle of the divine spirit. And in so far that we can synthesize on many levels the energy field, we can do more with the spiritual gifts that we have in the sense of making miracles for real. Rather than simply living in the intellectual sense of knowledge. Right, so part of what we do is teach a cosmology that we're really not only not separate from each other on this planet that we really all are sparks of the divine, but that there's also beings around us. And I know later we'll talk about extraterrestrial beings and also we'll call them angelic or ultra-terrestrial beings. And when you know that these realities exist, you start worrying and wondering, how can I get connected in a deeper, greater level? When you do that, even just seeing the oneness then of the universe and the vastness of the universe, your shift in consciousness takes place. The oneness and the vastness of the universe. And exactly, I love how you said that divine sparks of light, we are not separate, not from anything out in the universe and galaxies, not from source, not from Mama Gaia, Planet Earth, not from each other. So interesting, does your use of remote viewing come into play in any of this? And I understand that you have some semblance of knowledge in a lot of these things like remote viewing, remote sensing, remote influencing. And so if you do engage in these practices, these remote practices to experience the cosmos, how does that work? Experiencing the cosmos and the infinite potential through use of that? Well, let me start, and we are scientists that we like the idea of quantum physics. And more and more quantum physics is saying that there is all the possibilities in the universe are available to us. And I think that's true for a planetary level as well as a personal level. But what's exciting about all that as well is where is consciousness in all of this? And we believe like many others, such as Roger Penrose, who's a Nobel Prize winner, consciousness is more of a field. Lynn McTaggart talks about that. I highly recommend if you're really interested in the subject to look at some of the books she's written like The Power of Age and The Field. But the idea is that there's this field of energy. And so we're more like radio receivers. We can tune into what we want to. And we also fortunately can put that energy out into the universal field, the consciousness field. So really we have a much greater capacity when people remote viewed, and we worked with Russell Target, like Dr. Hertek wrote a book with him called End of Suffering. Basically they discovered it's not like you're sitting here and then you go remote view Japan or something like that. You actually are part of that consciousness field and you are instantaneously connecting yourself to Japan without any delay of time. So it's very interesting to realize that, that we are part of everything around us. So we are really in an energy field encapsulated in the human form. We are a musical instrument in my work years ago with some of the leading composers, including Ravi Shankar from India, in a variety of experiments of mind over matter, even auto body experiences show that we are connected with very subtle vibrations. We have music and our DNA. And if we can activate and use the energies within our body, within our incarnation into the physical form, we call the human body, the human life form. We can begin to take our baby steps up the ladder of evolution, up the musical scale. And on the higher levels, we began to experience what we call remote viewing without technology, distant places in the world. Suddenly come to mind, remote healing. Again, distant places or local places come to mind because of the energy sequence that we were able to synthesize. But this really answers a dilemma that we've had in the scientific world in the West in particular, which is denied the female side of the brain, which is the right-hand side. And in our intellectual work and our research as linguists, as musicologists, we realized that this is really the portal that needs to be opened, the feminine side of the brain in conjunction with the male side, the left side, the analytical side. So it's the multidimensional side that has to be released. The mental locks have to be open. Otherwise, all of the information that we put together in our book, My Dynamics with Elizabeth Rauscher from Stanford Research Institute, the real X-Files is meaningless. People have to feel experience. And so our methodology is to go beyond words and to experience, feel the divine spark, collect the divine image of yourself and put it to work in the world of unity because this is the whole threshold of change moving into. You know, I love that explanation and I'd never heard that before that we have music in our DNA and you are singing to the choir, so to speak. I have always felt that music was my first language and it's actually the filter through which I experienced the world. I understand harmony of things. It's how I even conduct interviews when I know when to come in, when to go out, when to let the aria, if you will, occur. I mean, music is one of the most important things in my life. So can you expound more? What do you mean specifically by we have music in our DNAs? Everybody, everybody has that and how? Well, it's exciting. You know, one of our most recent books which you said we wrote many is called Sound. It's part of the Common Sentience series and it's kind of exciting. It's gotten very popular reviews on Amazon. In fact, it was number one in acoustics, sound and physics or physics of acoustics and sound. And one of the things we talked about was a personal friend of ours that we worked with. His name was Peter Garayath. In fact, right before he passed away just a few years ago, he was nominated for the Nobel Prize. And what he says is in our body, we have linguistic wave genetics. And so he saw, and this is not far out for your audience but maybe for a lot of other people that he felt that the DNA and the wave frequencies connected with it all come from a higher vibratory code structure. And the keys of Enoch actually talk about even the fact that the divine name is coded in there. And that's back in the 70s. I know it's become more popular now with W. With people with a divine name, we're talking about the Hashem Yodhe Vodhe. It's on the cover of our book showing seven rays of light for the seven chakras that are energized in a unique musical way. So what Peter saw was there is this coding from our light body that then concretized into our physical reality. So our codes, and that's why sound and music, it's everything is vibration. Everything is radiating. Everything has sacred geometry around it. And the reason we have, we'll say five fingers and five toes. The reason why we look like angels is because we came from that higher reality and decided to come down good or bad to this third-dimensional reality. But everything that made us before actually then materialized into this reality and frequencies, light wave genetics is part of that. Wow, okay. So let's shift this a little bit over to some more cosmology. And in this moment, what is new? What can you guys share regarding the cosmology of alien civilizations and our multi-dimensional awakening? Well, many of you who are watching this program know what has happened this past year in June, July 19th, excuse me, 2023, going back to events in 1973 where I had a consciousness contact experience which allowed me to write the keys of Enoch which presents a new consciousness cosmology that we're interconnected with many levels of cosmic intelligence. We are in schoolhouse Mother Earth. Whoever the doors to the schoolhouse may have been largely closed as to our higher perceptual abilities. Whoever this past year, woman by the name of Arielle Haynes connected with the Office of National Intelligence released a nine-page report. I'm holding the top page. Actually, of course, the report came in 2021. Interesting enough, it goes back to start looking only at 2004, which was the famous tic-tac sighting off of San Diego, California. And, but that's where they started. Interesting enough, the keys of Enoch said, we're gonna take a quantum leap in terms of understanding the cosmology of the world we're living in. In 2004, exactly right on schedule. So our book is the only one that, shall we say in general language, predicts that there will be a scientific shift where younger people will ask those in authority is the true that we are being visited by human-like and non-human-like intelligence. And of course the question is obviously, plus if we listen to the work of Dr. Gresh and others like him. Yeah, so Gresh actually, David Gresh was actually with the military intelligence and he was part of the UAP, which is another term for UFO, Task Force. And he was commissioned to go find out, is there anything to like Roswell and old sightings of things. There's a Kingman crash that came down. Supposedly we got the UFO from Kingman, Arizona and brought it into area 51. So is there anything behind this? This is what he was supposed to find out. And as some of you know probably, he did find out that for tens of years, maybe going back to 1947, at least the 1950s, that the government has been covering up the fact of, they have crash vehicles from non-human origin. That he used those three terms, non-human or two terms, whatever you want to call it, non-human origin, that really says it all. And the point being why he became a whistleblower is because basically, even though he talked to people and said, yes, we have vehicles, yes, we've had them for a long time, yes, we're back engineering, yes, yes, yes. And he says, can I have the material? And they go, no. So even though he was commissioned by our representatives and the Senate to bring this information at least to private committees, he wasn't allowed. So this is why he came forward. So that's a big, big statement. Erie Giller has also recently, if anyone wants to Google him, he's come out because for a long time, he kept himself very, very private. He didn't want to say that he had some sort of sense of contact when he was younger. Many people have had contact when they were younger because he wanted everyone to feel they can bend forks and spoons, but he did have contact. And now with all this coming out slowly with NASA having panels and we'll say the House of Representatives doing that great three-person, two witnesses and one whistleblower testimony in July, he's starting to come out and say, so we're at the brink of more and more people who have had contact in the past or have information now. In fact, I think there's 30 witnesses to government cover-up just waiting to come out until there's what's called, they get rid of their non-disclosure agreement. So many of them have signed their jobs are at stake, their pensions are at stake, even their life in terms of going to jail or not going to jail is at stake and they're waiting for the House of Representatives in the Senate to agree that they now can get rid of that DOA. David Gresh is the proper term as intelligence officer does correct me. I meant to say David rather than Dr. Gresh, but even before his testimony, I was working with astronaut Gordon Cooper who in his book, Leap of Faith published in 2000, he represents really the high end of research behind the scenes. He was able to give a testimony at the United Nations years before on scene massive numbers of UFOs over Germany in 1951 and when he was an experimental pilot. And I had the opportunity to also work with those behind the scenes in the governments of Mexico and Brazil who actually had space metal samples suggesting that many governments of the world are sitting on thousands to pieces of metallurgical, should we say artifacts that do not match anything we could do on this planet. And of course we also knew Edgar Mitchell and even though when he went into space, he didn't see anything, although many have actually seen lights in the sky following spaceships, he didn't. But what was interesting about Mitchell is he grew up in Roswell. So he went back after he was this astronaut to do the astronaut parade and Roswell, they were going, hey, we know about what's up there in space. We had bodies, we had spacecraft, we had all this and any people who actually witnessed it in Roswell came to him and said, look, this is what we did, this is what we know, this is what happened to us. So amazing, but what we also would like to talk about is not just the extraterrestials that are frequently in this planet, but also kind of the orbs, the light spheres, the higher beings of intelligence as well. Yes, I have had personal experience with that doing contact work with somebody who channels extraterrestrials out in Arizona and a place that is very, very active. And I had so many things happen. We definitely saw spacecraft 100%. When we would take a break, I would use my iPhone with no flash, just literally to do some artistic shots of trees in the sky. And I was capturing not your typical orbs, not these small little beautiful bubbles, but something giant and milky that had like purple and blue running through it. It looked alive. And also I was taking photos way out in the desert because we couldn't see it. It was pitch black, we were on sacred land and I just wanted to see what was there. And I felt, I caught spacecraft on my camera. So yes, I 100% know of what you're talking about. And I'm wondering why are they making themselves known right now? Is there an agenda? Is there a timeline that we're finally aligning with the rest of the cosmos for this to happen in an open way, meaning undeniable? Well, let me start just to say, and I encourage everyone here, if they haven't already heard it, to go to the hearings from the House of Representatives that had graves, grudge and favor. They're talking about their sightings, but graves was on the East Coast of the United States. And he was saying that, for a long time, they looked around, saw nothing and all of a sudden they upgraded their radar. And that's what we kind of do spiritually in a sense. We upgrade our spiritual eyes or third eye or whatever you want to call it. We get our radar and they started seeing UFOs. And they thought, oh, this is just a fluke. But then they started getting it on two or three and they started looking at that exact place. They started getting in two or three different methodologies that they were observing off the coast of the East Coast, mostly Virginia. And then they said, yeah, none of these UFOs are here. So it's not just, one person goes out and all of a sudden they're like looking at you, you're looking at them. I mean, they're all over the place. And we're talking from the Hopi Reservation here in Arizona. So we have had contact with indigenous people who have been in direct telepathic communication, indicating that we are, should we going through the end of a cycle, what I will call a plastic three-dimensional civilization, we are being prepared to be upgraded into what we will call a fifth-dimensional side of human engineering in a positive sense, in a negative sense. And we had also the opportunity to work with the indigenous in Central America and South America. I'm showing now to your audience a picture that many of you may have seen from Campeche, Mexico. Also in the year of 2004, where we see us at the bottom, on the top of the clouds, a series of some 11 unusual spherical forms. Now, one of the members of our organization, Keys of Enoch, was a Mexican airline pilot. They got the actual film. And this activity went on for some 30 minutes. Hundreds of spheres were seen. And at that time in 2004, our colleagues were able to engineer a closer relationship with the famous journalist, I mean, Mohsen from Mexico City, and the head of the military intelligence for the country of Mexico to release this information. But we were told by American authorities it was premature people would be shocked to know all of the realities that we captured in camera. But there in Mexico, on the East Coast, and there off of... Virginia and Florida also. Correct. On the West Coast. I don't know because we didn't know. Go ahead. California. We have in California as well as Virginia, as well as Campeche, a series of events that match what I was shown in my experience of 1973, that there would be a timeline that would be lifted. And we would see the harminger of light vehicles. We began to engineer whole new physics, quantum physics. We began to change our psychology to accept and humility that we're not alone universe. And we would understand this also from what we call the mystical traditions of the tree of life that our solar system is but one branch with the ancient sages called the Escaim, the tree of life. We would grow up very quickly. And I think we're in that phase right now of actively engineering a new psychology, a new cosmology, a new cosmic theology. Right. So let me add, and Dr. Jack mentioned Gordon Cooper and we did work with him on several occasions. His first contact was over East and West Germany. And he said that the Russians were flying parallel to him. And when they looked up, they saw not just one UFO, it was a flotella of UFOs. And so they were monitoring what was happening on we'll say the East and West German border. And I think that that's the same thing. There's twofold. There's actually threefold, many reasons why they're here because it's not just one form of intelligence. There's multiple forms of intelligence with multiple agendas. But let's talk about the positive ones. I believe on Netflix, there's a new series from Steven Spielberg called Encounters. And he talks about the Fukushima sighting. We used to talk about this because there was a UFO scene over Fukushima shortly after we believe, and this is true for Area 51 and also the area of the Trinity site in New Mexico that they actually sometimes can neutralize nuclear weapons, nuclear energy. And they've done that in silos. If you look at the work of I think Robert Sala and others, they basically are anti-nuclear 100%. I mean, 100%, I don't even know why they care so much about us, but you know, I mean, that's other things we can talk about. But the idea is the fact that these are part and parcel of the energies of why they're here. Now, so yes, nuclear and more possibilities, they want us to stop playing games. In fact, there was the head, it was the general in the Israeli, I know Israel's in popular right now, but he was amazing person because he was into the space, looking at satellites and spacings. And he said that we've been working with them and that even previous presidents have wanted to come forward and talk about extraterrestials, but even the extraterrestials, this is what he said, his name is Haim Eshed. The extraterrestials did not think we were ready for it yet. That's, this is, he made a broadcast announcement about that and it's amazing. So basically warfare, we need to grow up. We think they're also here for environmental reasons. And I personally think, and that's my personal opinion, that the reason they were off the coast of San Diego is there's ridges that are connected with some severe fault lines. They could actually neutralize the buildup of energy off of California to stop this. They can also destroy meteorites coming this direction. So they can be working behind the scenes. And I know Erie Geller feels the same way that they are there to try to help us to survive, to a certain point where we can graduate. Now, many of them function on a fifth dimensional level. They're fifth dimensional. And above, right? Some of them there, right? But I'm starting on the basics here, but the, so we're working on the third dimension and our minds actually can work on the fifth and above. In fact, Elizabeth Rauscher used to say the eighth dimension, eighth space, she called it. Now, our minds normally function in eighth space, but in actuality, of course, mentally, normally we're not aware of that. But the ETs function in at least fifth dimensional realities as well. So we must exercise the positive gifts we have. And again, our work at Stanford Research Institute, Elizabeth Rauscher, Russell Tark, some of the best minds in the world show that we have this intellectual and spiritual capacity to put two and two together, that we are on the cusp of a major change. We can take it negatively or we can take it positively. We know there are cultures there that are in rivalry as to the fate of the human race. But we know that the majority of cosmic cultures are positive. We would call them in the biblical language, B'nai Elohim, sons and daughters of the most high or the Godhead, that are part of what we will call a learning curve. And we are in that process of bringing humanity from all parts of the world, from all backgrounds into a general recognition that we need to have a positive psychology, a positive sociology and a positive cosmology that we're not alone in the universe. And this is the time to graduate, not to fall into the trap of wars, revolutions and ethnic rivalries, but to see that we are all in the image of the divine, that we have a common destiny in space. If we want to bootstrap our knowledge quickly and look positively at the options that we are being presented with. You know, and if we were indeed seated by the extraterrestrial races, which I strongly believe that that is a fact. And I believe in all the information about the human DNA being changed as we progressed, DNA being extracted, DNA being donated and so forth and that these are our cousins, the Pleiadian, the Ahyel, et cetera. These are our cousins, right? We're all from basically Libra-Vegan mix. And so if that is so, we truly are not separate. This is just a family reunion of the benevolence about to occur. And I really agree with you for us to change our behavior on a lot of fronts so that this can happen. I know I would really like this to happen in my lifetime. And so you mentioned earlier, and I never heard this word before, ultra-terrestrial intelligences. And you- So the curve of knowledge, these would be the management on the highest of levels. And these Godhead would be the ultra-terrestles, those who have graduated beyond evolution, those who exist in bodies of energy, light energy, we would call it superluminal energy as opposed to solar energy and sinian concepts, relativity, those who have learned to control entropy or the cycle of the generation, those life forms that are even beyond the extra-terrestles, I believe are watching the games and the experiments of the extra-terrestles who have been called historically the gods of Rome, the gods of Greece and the other traditions that unfortunately indulge in too much warfare and rivalry. And we're seeing really the consequence of thousands of years of inbred rivalries. And this is why we have to see our work as being, shall we say, beyond the historical frontiers as a unified humanity. And this brings us into the next chapter of one of our new books I have close to my table here called Intergalactic Space Law. The next step up, if these indeed, as you said, are positive options we have, we have to have in place a engineering of not only international law, but space law that will give us the options of what science we trade off. What are our options with new, shall we say, scientific building materials. My wife's father was a great medical scientist to develop the first space medicine. So we can build hospitals in space. We can build on the frontiers of new planetary systems, a whole new civilization, if we have the right space law in place and we have to prepare for that. Right, well, I do believe there's many different forms of intelligence, but definitely some of them are just like us. They look like us, we're connected with them. In fact, the keys of Enoch, and this goes back to 1973, there's the Pleiades as part of the cradle and throne of our culture, our civilization. So that's key. And then not too far from the Pleiades, of course, is connected with Orion. We believe Orion is like a gateway to other realities. So, yeah, the whole universe around us is waking up and we're waking up to it, I should say. And of course there are some levels of intelligence that are not as positive, but we believe actually we call ourselves the Adamic species and that's male and female, and that we exist throughout the universe. And we've been down here for 6,000 years, probably more like 36,000, maybe even a lot longer. In terms of intellectual history that can be traced as we have done in Egypt and South America, we are coming into contact with artifacts going way back. And so we're pushing the envelope into the back door of the Bible and into the front door of the future. We are beginning to rediscover that our ancestry is much longer on this planet. Well, we were just in Egypt and had a great time. I mean, we've gone many, many times. And what's really interesting about Egypt is the fact that they have gods that look like reptilian types of heads and they have others that look like bird type heads and all of these other types of forms, especially in their solar boats in the Valley of the Kings. So these are all, they had contact with us. It shows biological diversity in the minds of the ancient Egyptian pre-scientists. But it also is a wake-up call for us to be prepared to accept the fact that our form of life is just one of many. And a new film will be released in the not too distant future called Extra-Terrestrial Species Almanac. It's based on the book from Craig Hapa Basso, but this is going to be visuals, right? You're going to be able to see in ET what they look like in this form. Well, they're not going to cover that in the film, but I mean, a lot of very interesting ones, of course. So be prepared, fasten your seatbelts, because you're going to want to change for most sociologists and anthropologists. Yes, especially anthropologists. We're watching that play out a lot with Graham Hancock. And also, to your point, there is so much coming out of Mexico right now. I was just at a retreat with our friend, Adam Apollo. And his photographer, who was there, was showing me brand new things that have just been excavated from Mexico. So they're making a lot of alien extra-terrestrial findings right now down there. I had a small hand in preparing Jaime Maussan to become the leading journalist in this whole subject back in the 1980s, early 80s. He was skeptical at that time until we showed him even from the area of Mexico and Guatemala, artifacts that clearly showed that there was contact in terms of the space materials. Space metal that had no molecular structure. It was a fine weave of very expensive materials like platinum and gold, something we couldn't injure on this planet. So Jaime Maussan basically became the means and the ends of racing consciousness in Latin America to say, look, you guys, this is one of the contact areas that matches really the indigenous traditions of Central and North America. So we are looking forward to a major international Congress coming up, not to distant future in Mexico City. And of course, some of the pyramids, they're aligned with the Pleiades. So they're on board with what we've been talking about. The ancients clearly understood, in fact, we've done something recently on Gaia that's gonna be out shortly. And it's on the bird van because the bird van is also all over the world. But it was, of course, Quetzalcoatl was considered the bird van with the serpent coming together, that kind of energy. But it matches also Egypt. And in fact, the cosmology of the Great Pyramid. Dr. Hirtak in the 1970s said, one of the starshafts, or we'll call them air shafts if you're more a traditional archeologist of the Great Pyramid points to Orion and the other points to draconis. Now it's interesting if you go back to the Mayan culture, they also considered Orion as like a godlike figure than as a sacred figure. And they also considered Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, and draconis as some of the problematic scenario. So it's very, very interesting. I'm not trying to put too much out but I also wanna take the time to talk about you can see from those cosmologies the world we're living in. We are living in a duality. I think more and more people start seeing that, knowing that. And it's all up to us because every moment is our moment of choice. So if we're living in a world of duality, the most important thing is to choose the right decisions to move ourselves forward. You know, we can do that with our intellect, we can do that with our heart but in actuality, we should do it as I know you do, Debra, with your higher self, your higher mind with a little bit more guidance and insight. We call it the divine spark. And so we need a larger roadmap because we're presenting a lot of material and people somehow do not see how the left hand connects with the right hand let alone the higher mind. In essence, it requires a change within ourselves. So we realize we have a higher mind, we have a higher connection. And when we see this larger roadmap, we can put things in proper relationships like the Tree of Life symbol. And that connection really is not just, you know, with those who have passed over, I have a girlfriend that always says, well, you know, I think I was in touch with someone who had passed over my aunt, my uncle, whatever. They said, you know what? There's so many more beings after than your aunt and uncle. And really, if you tune into it and you're getting guidance by it, chances are it's like from the next level, it's from greater realities, it's from higher heavens, you know, there's so many, but it depends on what frequency we're connected with. A lot of people say, well, how do I know that they're good spacecraft? Well, usually a good spacecraft would be positive. You can feel the energy, any message is positive. If they're negative, then you can feel like you're a little bit afraid of it, you know, stay back. And again, the musical sounds as we illustrate in our book, take us to the higher vibrations. We had the opportunity to work with some of the great musical composers of the 20th century, Alice Coltrane, Robbie Shankar, Andre Prep and some of the others. And all relates to the drama of hearing the higher frequencies, the higher co-creativity spark that we have. And it's that in that higher arena that we rediscover who we are. We are infinite beings in human form. We have this great energy field of love and light and compassion if you want to use it, but it has to be done positively rather than in fear. And the structures of traditional theology slash anthropology that are simply three dimensionally representative of ages past rather than ages future. And just to continue to say, you know, we always thought of angels singing, you know, and making sounds with their trumpets or something like that. Well, basically sound is important. They're actually creating and transforming the universe through the power of sounds. So these realities exist. And that's really our main message that in addition to extraterrestrials, which are extremely important, gonna be seen more and more because of the crises that we're gonna get ourselves into, especially with environment. But also, and I know you agree with this as well, that there seems to be certain veils or gateways of higher consciousness that seem to be opening. In some cases it may be from a shift in the magnetic field, strength on this planet. The Russians have done some research into that as well. But ultimately we are able to know more, to see more and to connect more with higher levels of intelligence. And that's also extremely important. And that's what's really going on right now. So those of you- Let me ask you this. So you just held up this book, which is so beautiful, called Sound, Profound Experiences with Chanting, Toning, Music and Healing Frequencies. I know you're the main authors and the compilers of this book. How do you both personally use toning and chanting? Can you give an example or talk out an example? You can actually give you an example because he's- I would love that. Are you able to do that tonight? Yes, I can do it. There's one who has been a canter. I'm going to use a sacred expression called God or the Lord is here, or this is to say the divine is here in this spark of vibration. So let me take a few minutes to entone this seven times with the seven chakras. This field of golden light flowing through your body, recognize that our mind and our spirit and our body are triple powers, so to speak, of energy. And just while he gets himself together for that, I just want to say that we do feel that some cosmic names, even vibrations like ohm or ahm, as people would like to say it, it really does reach into the heavens and aligns our bodies to higher states of awareness. That's why all temples, even temples in, we'll say in the Mayan culture, if you go to Tikal, it's known as the city of sound. They understood the power of sound and we've done testing inside a lot of the chambers and there's certain frequencies that are resonant frequencies inside. And if they fix the chamber with modern, we'll say technology, you lose that resonance. So we believe some of the ancient names, whether you look at Shiva or you look at other things like- Shikina, divine presence. This is a cosmic telephone line. You're resonating, vibrating on the frequencies. As the ancient scriptures tell us, there was once one language on this planet and most linguists recognized that this is the seed syllables of vibration that we find in all the mother languages. And we have a lot of CDs and music to go with it. So with your permission, if we just visualize golden light pouring from the top of our head or crown to the bottom of our feet, let us realize that we are also way showers of light, presenting great love and compassion to all people for unity. And now we entone one of the sacred expressions. I looked at this picture together. And I did not care. And I didn't have a clue what it was. Unfortunately, when I walked out of my cultural heart, even when I had another child, it sent me deep into the infinite old age of worship. And when I got stuck ride down on that, and on my huge heart I supported a privileged child. I have so much difference that that energy vibration reach around the world, recognizing we are all sons and daughters of the most high, the source of all sources, the light of all lights, that we shall use the musical vibrations to re-engineer, to reactivate, to reprogram, and re-educate ourselves, that we are all vibrations of life and unity in the infinite way, the infinite mind, and the infinite specieshood of a higher plan, which is the divine and human form. And so in addition to ourselves being here, seeing ourselves as separate, which we're really not, we are connected literally with the universal mind. So when I talked about the consciousness field, it's not just the global consciousness field, it's not just the local universal field, it's the cosmic infinite mind presence. So we are unique beings that can reach into the stars, that can reach into the cosmic dimensions. And yes, Debbie, you said it's more than the fifth dimension. We agree with that. The 12th dimension, the 24th dimension, there's realms beyond any dimensions. These are all part and parcel of our reality. And those of you who want to know more, we put out CDs, MP3s. And with this one, Sacred Name, Sacred Coats, with Stephen Halpern has been a bestseller worldwide. We have literally over 70 albums that we have done, many of them award-winning albums with leading singers throughout the world. And all major languages, including the biblical languages, because those are the most powerful when in practice, with deep compassion, deep and sincere intention to help humanity. So with that said, I want to say that musicology is musical language. We call it poetically the language of light is the connecting fiber of all these different fields, whether it's cosmology or Egyptology or the studies of ancient biblical wisdom or for that matter, looking at pushing the envelope of extraterrestrial, ultra-terrestrial reality and experience, it is the music. And this is why we've been able to work with leading musical specialists even amongst the indigenous people. Ah, that's so beautiful. Wow, how can people do this themselves? Because what you just did, I felt. I felt it in every fiber of my being. I felt a shift occur. I felt an incredible peace come over me. It was just beautiful. And this is on Zoom with original sound for musicians. So this is not even hearing you in person, which would be something else. How can we employ this? How can we use this? I'm a singer. I would love to use it in a different way. But people even who don't sing would like to tone and chant and switch up frequency. What do you recommend? Well, we realize that meditation is one of the things we do recommend. And we realize that some people like silent meditation and that's good for as well. I mean, that's important to have that quietude, bring in energies and align yourself with what we consider the higher self, the higher Godhead, but also to use the chanting. Because as I said, it's like a cosmic telephone line. And we really do have a lot of CDs that have some of these sacred expressions from all over the world, the East, West, North, South, the new one with Stephen Halpern, as we mentioned. Yes, this is it. Basically has like Pacha Mama as part of the rhythms and the sounds in it, which is of course from South America. And really all of these were sacred vibrations to call upon higher, we'll say beings of light and to align and help us because we want to say we realize we're not alone. We realize we were a part of this greater cosmos and this greater reality. And it's also the compassion for the feminine side that's been lost that we have emphasized in our new music of the divine names of the inner divine, which is the female as opposed to the outer divine, which is seen as the divine mind of the universe usually in the masculine sense. But really we graduate our experience of meditation through taking steps carefully in the biofeedback of how we use sounds with colors, with sacred geometry to evolve the tapestry of what the Old Testament mentions as the code of many colors. Tell me what it is that you did with indigenous people around sound? Well, we were looking at certain seed syllables or sounds that were comparable to their sacred expressions. That is to say, we were building a language of communication and compassion by emphasizing the divine expressions that were central to that group, that tradition, that we will call cultural milieu. And by using, for example, with the Jafanti peoples in Southern Brazil or the Zulus in Africa, certain sounds with the biblical language, there was a matrix that was created that opened the morphogenic field where the soul or the higher mind could actually step momentarily into another dimension. This is something that requires several months, even for some many several years of musical training, but we all have this ability. We must be patient with ourselves and realize that our body, our spinal system is shaped like a musical instrument. So we are all potential wayshores of the work of the good shepherd, which is to say, the wayshore who shows the way through vibration. And I just want to say, even when Jesus died literally, there was the thunders of lightnings in an earthquake. This is all part of the sound that opens of what we would call the portals to ascension. So it takes like an opening frequency and it's not just one sound, it's multiple sounds that literally connect or allow you to be part of it. In all cultures, all of the top avatars and my avatars are connected really with the soundscape of how the divine and human come together and say good experience. So to answer your question, one has to really relax, let go and let God or the divine spark sing within the heart. Realize your heart is a tabernacle. Realize your temple is a temple of understanding, not a brick in mortar or walls, but the whole planet itself is what is called by one of the great prophets, the house of prayer, Mishkan Tifila. When we feel like vibration immunity with all people, I believe it's more easy for us to raise our mind to a higher level of experience. And I just want to say we use this energy that is able to also empower us to do things on the planet because I believe these higher forces, whether you look at Michael, the archangel of protection or Raphael, the one who heals, that these energies are here to help us. And if by calling upon them or calling upon the Godhead whatever direction you normally go, you can send that energy out as well to help, we'll say places like to do prayers for peace in the Middle East or a pairs of peace connected with Ukraine and Russia or even to divert a storm. Of course, there was a recent major storm in Mexico that hit Acapulco, but years ago, there was one in Puerto Vallarta and we asked many people to join us in some of these prayers and meditations with sound and the storm went right around Puerto Vallarta. So, you know, really fabulous things can be done. There was, as Dr. Dek mentioned, we're here in Sedona. There was a fire, people were getting really nervous. So we said with a lot of our friends, you know, let's kind of project this energy, let's change it, let's, you know, neutralize it. And yes, knock on wood, of course, the fire went away. So we can build walls of protection, walls of golden light in the Middle East. We can build golden light walls amongst the peoples in Ukraine and Russia who want to take the higher paths. And this is the positive psychology, we must exercise, we must not live in fear and doubt and see this as the political, geopolitical game. Now, it's each of us finding the divine spark to sing that vibration that goes with the spark into realize the new self, new image of man is gradually moving from the old traditions of paradigm into the new, shall we say, fifth dimensional realization that we are whole like beings. We are musical beings, we're co-creative beings waking up to our cosmic potential. So how do you activate, you're talking about light beings, but we also have light bodies. How do you activate your light body so you can powerfully become this co-creator of, I feel like it should be a plural, new realities. I'm showing a picture from Mexico, Tula Mexico in the year 2000 approximately, where I was singing the ancient names of God in the Hebrew Aramaic and suddenly light came down on my body. It was quite apparent the man was taking a picture of his wife and pointing at the lower end of the screen and was able to capture in a few fractions of a second the light phenomena that came down on my body. And this is an illustration of the light garment, changing garments is a mystical word, but the ability to harmonize in such a high level of devotion, love that your body becomes really an encapsulation of this high superluminal light. I feel that we're moving in dramatic times where people will have to pray to the divine for help. People will have to exercise the power of miracle working in the age of miracles. People will have to realize that ecumenical theology that brings people together through the great prophets the great sages, the great poets and people have to move beyond the traditional male-oriented sense of geopolitics into the female sense of balance, compassion, greater love, greater co-activity which we recognize in your program. I mean, you illustrate with your sensitivity and your ability to reach out dramatically realizing the gifts of music and sound to augment what we are doing all throughout the world. We are moving into an age of musical synthesis, an age of understanding that we have these divine cosmic powers if we wish to use them, but we must not be afraid of our divinity to recode to Barry and Williamson. We must not be afraid of the dynamic of the higher divine spark that we have. And going back to what you were asking about the DNA we've worked with Elizabeth Sartori in a book called Hollow Movement and basically she and we all agree that we're part of almost like a musical keyboard. So right now we're in the fifth dimension it's kind of like the base frequencies and then when we start raising our consciousness more and more we get into the higher frequencies and yeah, our body that's physical actually transforms itself into light. Now of course light can appear at any time and we can be part of that light body but ultimately that's our evolutionary process to move into these higher frequencies and to move into the light. So we must move away from negativity. And again, I wanna emphasize this book and mind dynamics as the real ex files because the top scientists have shown mind over matter does work. We were able to change the way we think if we can quiet the mental chatter that is so negative that say, oh you can't do this, you can't do this. No, we can do this. We can do more for life. That's why we're here as way shores to the dynamics. The new life that's coming, I believe being connected with the cosmic intelligence that's on our doorstep. So if we were to awaken our super conscious mind as multi-dimensional beings, we'd discover greater cognitive powers. Is there a way to guide and activate our non-local awareness as a gateway to remote viewing, remote healing and remote influencing? Definitely. Well, we have a book called over self awakening. And that it has what we call Cosmograms or Cosmic Pictures. And it starts though, as I said, first of all, everyone has to realize you can do it. The first blockage is, oh, it's not gonna work for me. I think that's stupid, you know? That's not reality. We, that's who we are. We are actually these cosmic beings. We've been dumbed down. I'm showing one picture here. We began with the female form with the cloth over the face. The cloth is removed at the end of the book and the beautiful female form appears, which represents really the divine feminine within each of us that is able to connect with the heart centers of the world. So this process of visualization through sacred geometry, through the use of the color spectrum, the ability to think in technical color, the ability to use a higher love force and the linguistics of change. We call musical linguistics as a new science is able to move us quickly into the future. Otherwise it would take years of study by a sage or by a great sabbant person of fantastic knowledge. Now this can be done quickly by moving into a different energy field of positive change. And we actually think that we really already have this higher soul that's trying to communicate with us, but for the most part, we ignore that communication. So the more we listen to that higher communication, we should test the energy, make sure it's coming from the right source. And that soul is then trying to guide and direct us, or as well as cosmic helpers that are also here guiding and direct us. We really can't do a lot of this alone. It has to be a co-participation. And if you wish to bring forth the power of Christ consciousness, that's fabulous because those who align with the Christ consciousness are usually those spiritual guides and helpers. You wish to bring forth the power of the divine Godhead. That's also fine. So reach the highest levels, bring forth that energy and that vibration and receive that energy and know that it's coming from that higher source and then follow in that guidance. And we literally will be in the right place at the right time. It's also called the Zohar body in the Kabbalistic tradition. Yes. The Christ in me, the divine light, the anointing power that we put on, the Zohar, the splendor that we enter into, even though it's momentary for many, it's a whole process that I believe will lift us into cosmic citizenship. So we're at a very dynamic point. We can look backward and bemoan the great tragedies or we can go forward with remote viewing, remote healing, remote communication and upgrade humanities. And that moment, that decision is now. And I just want to say we're in the middle of of course this horrible situation going on in the Middle East, but a friend of ours who's a Christian actually, but he goes to Israel quite often. He was going to be going to the wards the South, it just happened to what he was going to be doing. And all of a sudden he got this insight to know, don't go there, get on a plane and leave. And you know, everything seemed fine. It was like, okay, that's really true. He was on the same road used by the terrorists that crossed over the Gaza frontier. But I believe if we're going to use our intellectual minds, if we're not going to make the right choices that we need to make. If we're going to use only the heart, which is the fight or flight. So a pair of physical sensitivity is necessary. We need, yeah. Sociological understanding, compassion is necessary. You have to see the big picture of your new self. And that's where remote viewing comes in, because once you realize you can tap into that consciousness field, then you realize, hey, there is something out there. I can do that. And why can't I get even more information? Let me ask you about this higher thinking you're talking about, Desiree, because you've worked extensively in Egypt, you've worked extensively in Mexico, and you've also hosted a panel at the United Nations Summit where you presented and you have lectured all over the world. Why are these important conversations that you are engaging in and offering? And if critical thinkers were to listen to what you are suggesting, what changes would be possible? What changes could your information create? Well, that's, yeah. I believe there's a solution for every problem on the planet. We're facing quite a few of them, whether it is war, politics, economics or environment. Each one of these areas, strangely enough, is being blocked in some way. Look at even just energy technology. Look at the car industry, you know, how much work it took to even get to EVs to electric vehicles. We're actually in support of hydrogen. Hydrogen has been the lagging place for a long time, but we can actually run our houses and our cars all on hydrogen, and we can almost do it exclusively and locally because saltwater now works to make hydrogen. There's just one sample. In fact, we have a book, another book, called Giza's Industrial Complex, which actually says that we believe the ancient Egyptians used hydrogen gas. And we have a lot of ways of looking at it and a lot of evidences in the book. In fact, we challenge people to say we're wrong, but it's so simple. A high school student can make hydrogen gas from water. So to answer you because of our time, we're making a big preparation for a change coming. The big quantum changes. And we have to see that we're going from humankind to space kind, from local homo sapiens, sapiens to homo universalis, universality. That requires courage, humility, but greater love. And so my words and Desiree also to all of you is to take the higher path, turn on the greater love, do the daily meditations, being constant prayers, using the mantra, musical exercise that we have in our books and our musical CDs and DVDs, understand that we are at a time where we are the avant-garde of a great change coming to Mother Earth. And the old systems of geopolitics are not sufficient to work. They will not take us through the critical changes. The higher consciousness will, the higher consciousness, which is God centered and connected with the cosmology of the tree of light, we believe will because of our experiences, which we've documented behind the scenes and they work with the astronauts. And many of the atheistic sciences to change became more spiritual when they used the mantras of the divine. And everyone can be in touch. It's not, you know, a few people here, a few people there, everyone can do it. Remote viewing is a step one, it's the first baby step, but then realizing the higher consciousness is part of you and you're part of it. All of you are part of the future. You are part of a divine family. You are part of the quantum change, as the ancients say to the stars. And I want to make sure we get this in. You will be at the Los Angeles Conscious Life Expo 2024. You're there every year. What are you going to be speaking about in February? Well, we do both because we also joined with Alan Steinfeld and our mutual friend and author of the book, Making Contact. We wrote a chapter in this book. It's really very interesting if you're interested in extraterrestrial data. And we'll be sharing some of the musical file feedback experience that we did in Egypt, Mexico. But we also do remote viewing, even little exercises in remote viewing for the audience, because it's so important that we realize we can all do this. I mean, one of the greatest remote viewers at Stanford Research Institute was a woman named Hella Hammond, who was a secretary down the hall. So in other words, they got her. She had no knowledge about any of this, but she was fabulous. She was taking people on walks around the Kremlin accurately in terms of her remote viewing the building. So anyone can do everything. And I just want to throw out the idea that Ingo Suan also remote viewed Jupiter. And he saw rings around Jupiter in 73 and they were only confirmed in 79 by the Galileo in the Voyager probes. That is a very cool fact. I love that. Okay. And we are all going to be speaking at the Mexico City UFOlogy World Congress event. It's December 1st through the 3rd. By the way, everyone listening or watching, there will be links in all the show notes. So if you'd like to attend, highly recommend you do. Go to these events. If this is your conversation and see us, hear us speaking on stage. What will you be doing there? Well, we like to show some of the images of extraterrestrial beings. So people get an idea. They do, many look like us. Some are elongated skulls. Some have other types of- I released the first pictures in 1979 of some of these beings that the Mexican Corp authorities had is documented on the front page of Nova Dotties, which is their New York Times magazine newspaper. So we will be able to bring out some of the historic materials that sharpen the views of why Washington is being busy to prepare people for what I will call a new anthropology. But please join us also because December 4th, there's a Monday outing for that conference, which we're managing. We're going to be taking some people down to Teotihuacan to see the pyramids. So if you'd like to do that, please Debbie, join us, it's going to be fun and it's going to be a great opportunity to do that. It's not very far away. It's pretty much Mexico City, because it's so elongated. Now, is this one of those pyramids that you climb up these enormous steps? There's no rail and there's- Yeah, sadly, and I don't know, the last time we were there, they're starting to crack down and not let people climb all over Mexico. I mean, no matter where you go. So I'm not sure what we're going to be able to do on that particular day, but it's one of the most amazing sites. It's one of the largest pyramids in Mexico. You have actually three pyramids, which is similar to what you find in Egypt. You have the Pyramid of the Moon, the Pyramid of the Sun, and then you have Quetzalcoatl. And we believe on the sides of Quetzalcoatl, there's a coding for the fact of us going from the dinosaur age to the computer age to the robotic age. We think it's all encoded on Quetzalcoatl's pyramid. Amazing. I love the brilliance right up into the end. I wrote down this trip. Yes, this sounds incredible because I am staying there a few more extra days. I'll be going from Harvard, we'll be there. I mean, Mauson will be there. And Michiocaco, of course. So all of the people who worked diligently behind the scenes, again, we only say if you can take time to go to Mexico, you will understand why Tenochtitlan, all of the traditional mythology is really a code word for a higher science of cosmic reality that's mean us on the doorstep of all the major countries of the world. So be blessed. Thank you so much for having us as your participants today and may the divine spark be in our hearts always. And we'll see you in Mexico. I'll see you in Mexico. And I wanna ask you real quick here in the end, this is Dare to Dream, JJ Desiree, Drs. Hirtak. What are your next Dare to Dream? What are your future dreams and goals? We are working on a series of books connected with things I was told not to publish back in the 1970s about things that will come, revelatory findings that will be made in Egypt and in Israel. A hand-hands, the Ark of the Covenant, documents being in the pre-Exodus period, rooms inside the pyramid, not recognized until recent times, investigations that we have done behind the scenes. Again, those of you who are interested, we found the tomb of Osiris in 1970, 97, two years before it was officially released by Drs. Halas, recognized us. We were one of the reprimanded teams using radar and music. And that's in our book, Pieces Industrial Complex. So all of that will be part of an ongoing series of documents that we will do and film and as well as a few books showing that we're just at the very top of the underground civilization that was there, buried in underneath the sands. I wanna say about everyone, it's important to be here now to realize that this is a key time of transition. We feel we're getting closer and closer to what we call the day of graduation. So all of us, I think you too, Debbie, are working towards the awakening of humanity and the preparation for our contact. Thank you both so, so, so much. What a beautiful conversation. And folks, if you would like to learn more about them, keysofenock.org. And I end the show with this quote from Drs. J.J. and Desiree Hirtak. The seriousness of the situation in the Middle East should awaken the world to more prayer and special prayers for divine intervention. Now is the time to call on the divine forces as this is what we can do best to help the people of the Middle East. Let us pray, come Holy Spirit and your Shekinah glory, help bring peace to all that suffer. Come all divine servants of peace in the names of the Prince of Peace as we use the words of Sanctus Shanti Shekinah. And you can say those 12 times, holy peace presence may peace be with us all. Subscribe to this number one transformation conversation Dare to Dream with Debbie Daschinger. Leave a comment and share, I read all of them. And next week on the show, the guest coming back for I think the fourth time is the amazing Daryl Anka. You might know him for his channeling of the Sasani being named Bashar. Don't just dare to dream, dare to be a divine spark of light at this very important time. Thank you guys so much. That was amazing. That was great. So Bashar is going to, yeah, you're not coming to Vegas. Where do you live in general, just in LA or? I'm in Burbank. I'm out in the valley. Okay. All right. Yeah. And you're in Los Gatos. Yeah. But right now we actually our office is in Sedona. So we're a half the time here. We actually have two offices, one in Silicon Valley just north of Los Gatos. And then here in Arizona, which is really the Mecca of new age thinkers. You've probably been here many times. I haven't visited us when you're out this way. So where did you go when you were, were you up in the Hopi or Navajo reservation when you had that experience? Um, you know, was with Lisa Royal Holt. If you know who she is. Yeah. She's a dear friend of mine and she does these very, very, very intimate like 20 person experiences. Um, so I was with her for four days and the other folks. And the first time it was a reservation. We had permission to be there. I don't recall, um, who they were, uh, who the indigenous were that allowed us to be on the land. Cause it went through her, but we had some really powerful, crazy experiences. And, um, the next year was in a place, uh, the COD ranch out in, um, oh, some crazy town we went to, like really kind of cowboy town. And this is where Dr. Steven Greer used to do a lot of work. And boy, do we see spacecraft. Yeah. Well, we may still be live. So I'll let you go. And it's always a pleasure.