 Yeah, but before it was, um, thinking, you know, that the people at last gave the shit and went, like, we were in London. Oh. Okay, so it's only the first half of the year, right? That's right. Yeah. So it was really much less, it was really like a half-year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of us has to stay here, huh? Hello. Hello. I think we're on time. So, now the event is almost over, but not quite. We've still got some nice music after this, so do hang around for the music this evening. But traditionally at the end of EMF, we like to do a bit of a retrospective to talk about how it worked, what worked, what didn't work, so you can give us praise and also criticise us. More of the former, please. So, if you're a part of the core team and you're probably going to be answering questions, if you can sit on the stage, it helps pass the mic round. Dominic, sit on the stage. Yeah. And I can see some of the first aid people hiding at the back. Come on, down the front. Anyone else have a spot you, I will come and get you. Anyone else? That's probably about it. Right. So, this year we had a few things that went wrong. We're not very many. But you know of. I'm trying not to tell them. So, this is a session for you guys to ask questions and tell us things for next time so we can hopefully improve it. Obviously, we're doing a one day one next year. Hopefully, maybe we'll see. And we'll be back properly in 2016. But all feedback is useful to us. So, who's got feedback that would like to, like who would like to ask a question or whatever. So, I can repeat back to the audience if you want to ask a question. We have a video stream to keep notes with. We have a video recording so it's easier from that. Yeah. There's a feedback page on the wiki and you should put your, especially if you don't remember anything here. Any even small things, if you let us know on the feedback page, then we can take them into account. We're allowed to say next, I don't know, are we? We've all been banned from saying next time for the entire time of this event. There was going to be a swear box for a while but we never actually got round to that. So, also, it's worth saying if you're not wiki literate, because I know not everyone is, then you can also email us. Just the normal contact address works fine. So, questions or feedback or things you thought were good, things you thought were terrible, things you'd like us to do differently. So, hands in the air. So, the comment was, it would be quite cool if we did TV or movie marathons in the evenings. So, we actually looked at this and we were planning to do it in the lounge, because the lounge seemed like a nice place to chill out and watch films. It's really expensive to license films. Well, it's per film as well. Yeah. No, we're not talking about that, Mark. That didn't happen. Nobody knows what happened in stage C on Saturday night. Yeah, there was some kind of multicast workshop. That was all that happened there. Yeah, it was, yes, it was a test. That's what happened. Sorry, did somebody else want to say something then? Was that just me? Right. So, yeah, we really like to do that. I think that would be a fun thing to do as well. So, we'll look into it more seriously for next time, but we'll see what happens. And if someone has expertise in doing that kind of thing and would like to organise that for a future event, we would love for you to do that. It's a well volunteered. Next up, somebody had a hand over here. Was that you? So, the feedback was they've been enjoying the video streams. I haven't been enjoying the radio traffic, sorry. These video streams are made by Dmitri. Where's Dmitri? Is he around? Oh, he's not here. Dmitri's been flying his quadcopter around, getting footage of the event, so we'll have this all up online afterwards. It was supposed to be here during the opening ceremony. It was so bright, no one could see it. But it was quite nice having this between talks and things like that. Should we have it all on all stages and hopefully have something that people can add to, which is probably a nice thing to do. So, next up, someone there. I can't quite see, but... Should we take the mic? Have we got another wireless mic? We just got one. Oh, we've got... Right, give that one to me, and then I'll... Yeah. Yes, we really did take that one. This wireless mic is covered in beer. It's really wet. Oh, apparently it's whiskey, so I might... This is really horrible. It is. Is that on now? Is that a bit more? There we go, yeah. So, I've got one question. Yeah, so, it's awesome being able to fly the quadcopters around in the flying field. However, doing the FPV stuff was a bit of a problem, because it was a nice Faraday cage, which was made by the metal fence that was all the way around. So, when we tried to get below the metal cage, all we had was interference. So, if you make a fence out of wood next year, that would be awesome. We really didn't have the mic here. I think the thing is, we didn't really want to have the fencing anyway, but I'm getting horrible feedback. I'll stand over here. We didn't really want to have the fencing, but it was a necessary thing this time. We didn't want to have it, because putting it out was really awful. So, I'd rather not put that up again. So, next time, hopefully we have it. You didn't put it up. Right, any other questions? From the back over there. Yeah, I found it was quite hard to know what was going on. So, maybe next year have some, like, I don't know, the IRC on a big screen or some Facebook group that people can join and chat, or, you know, somewhere to put pictures. I know you've got a Flickr account and things, but it doesn't seem to be used very much. So, we were fairly active on Twitter, and the Facebook group was fairly active as well. We would love to have big screens, but they're really expensive to rent. So, potentially. But, I mean, the thing was, we were relying on the Badgers to do that this year, which was obviously a massive failure. So, yeah. Not everything works. No, no, no, as in, we couldn't use it for it, which was a failure. The Badgers were not a failure as far as I'm concerned. And he might hit me. So, yeah, we completely agree. We actually looked into that, because we find it a huge problem at other events, mainly notifying people that talks have changed. So, I don't know if anyone noticed there was a knitting workshop that was supposed to be yesterday, which had to be moved and then had to be cancelled today, and telling people about that was a real problem. So, we were trying to, the Badgers were supposed to be dealing with that this year. That was the whole purpose of them. But, because of, if you came to the Badger talk, you know what happened, you know how hard it's been. And, obviously, it didn't quite go to plan. So, maybe next time we'll sort it out better. Another question? Mike, down here. Okay, coming. Just a low-tech version of that. Quite a lot of people, I got the impression, actually intentionally try to unplug a little bit. And just something like, just having a few, some sheets outside each of the stages and workshops, or places where the workshops are on, just saying what's going to be on in this place in the next day or two. We intended to have that as well, and we did on the first day, and then it didn't happen again. I'm not entirely sure what happened. So, I suspect that's something that's fell through the holes. That's something that we would do. I suspect that we'll be fine next time, because it's a good feedback, though, for a good feedback. Next question? The showers were epically good. It's something in the region of 2% of your ticket price when you watch showers. So, why don't all tenders do it? I don't know. We wanted to have really nice toilets as well, but no one would rent them to us. As soon as the word festival came up there, we were just like, no, not going to happen. So, I think they expected much messier people, but you're all lovely in it. By the way, I have to say, the site's really clean. There's very little litter we're going to have to pick up, so thank you for that. That's quite good. Next question? Just about the workshops. I've got the feeling they could have done with being like more of them and doubled up on them as well, I think the chance has got that feeling as well. Around about last week. That was a slight error on our part. Last time we did EMF, we sort of got a rough feeling for the whole thing, and we basically just extrapolated from that. There have been some things that have happened this time, which are vastly different than our expectations. Like the amount of beer you've got. Yes. So, yes, you all drink too much. The toilets get full. Well, yes, there's other things that come out the other end. That's the problem too. The workshops, we're really sorry about that. The response was just completely unexpected. I really wish we'd had probably three workshop tents, but we didn't realise how bad it was going to be until we sent out the email saying, everyone sign up in advance, and we did that because the blacksmiths asked us to, because they wanted to get pre-sign ups, otherwise we were just going to do it on the info desk. And that's a lot of emails. So Sam and Kate, who have sat down there, I don't know where they are, in a hat and in the jumper, they sat there until about three or four in the morning dealing with those emails, and then gave up and went to bed. Also, even if we had had more workshop space, we need about five times more blacksmiths. Yes. If you are a blacksmith, we have some work for you. Yeah, that sells out so fast. It's a bit frightening. But next time, yes, we will fix the workshops. They don't really scale past about 30 people, so big attempts don't necessarily work for that. We'd rather just have a lot more smaller tents and we'll fix the sign up thing, because that's a bit crazy. That didn't work at all. And I also have to apologise to the info team dealing with a number of people who queued up on Friday morning. The queue was longer than the queue for badges, which was hilarious. So yeah, we won't be doing that again. Any other feedback? Oh, I'll give the front row, because I can see them. Can we get a mike over here? I'd like to say thank you very much for listening to the feedback from EMF 2012, because we said there was nothing for kids to do, and this time there was a lot for kids to do. The only feedback I would give back to you is, although it's great that there was a camping area for kids, why did the workshop and childcare bit have to be down there as well? Because as a parent, I had to dash between going to a workshop or a talk-up here and then have to go down there. I think it was the original intention. I'm trying to think of the best answers to this question. It's probably me. Oh, God, do you want me to do it? Yeah, well, part of the reason is, because I did the site layout and so on, part of the reason is so that there wasn't noisy stuff happening in the evenings or at night, which would disturb the kids. And so you want to have all the kids' stuff in the same place. But yeah, it's a really fiddly site, really. It's a long, thin, annoying site. We won't have a long, thin, annoying site again. I said, yeah, last time we said we won't have a microwave link again, so take that with about as much salt as you desire. So I completely agree. There was a bit of an error on our part of that. Part of it was that we wanted to have an outdoor space for the kids to play, which didn't actually come to fruition in the end. Yeah, there was a little bit. There was a little bit, but we wanted to have a lot more space for them to run around and mess around without getting in the way up here or people getting in the way of them. Yeah, it didn't quite work out how we hoped. We'll fix that next time. But I'm glad that the kids' stuff worked out well. Question from the back? So I've been given a microphone because I had my hand up earlier and you didn't see it. I can't see anything. The person with the microphone did, so I will pass it back to them shortly. As a speaker, I wanted to say that the support for speakers this year was so much better than two years ago, and thank you very much for that. So we have Dominic to thank for that, who is sat over here. He's done a really wonderful job of doing all the stuff. I did badly last time. At 4 a.m. So I know there was some support for the speakers that wasn't quite right this time because the schedule got left a bit too late because we had to do a lot of emergency rescheduling, which again won't happen again, I promise. Asked me that in two years. But Dominic took on the speaker ops, and it's been great the entire time. As far as I can tell, we haven't really had any major problems, and it seems to have gone well. Any speakers here who did have problems? I can't see a thing, by the way. I've got a bright light in my eyes, so you're going to have to shout. We good? Can't see anyone? Say hi if you had problems. It's going to crash, it's going to crash. Oh no! No, wait, no. I can promise it does crash. Or is this the good one? No, this is the one where he trolled Coon and it didn't crash, and Coon told me that it was the one where it did crash, so I've just embarrassed myself. It's very disappointing. Right, so more people. Someone's going to have to just hand a mic to them because I can't see anything here. Sorry, coming. Hi. I'd just like to say, despite the odd minor hiccup, I've had a hell of a good time, and I think you guys have done an absolutely awesome job. Has anybody not had an awesome time? I've enjoyed it! Yeah, that wasn't planned, by the way. Oh, question from there. Oh, let's go further back, actually. I've got a mic back here already. Someone right at the back, have you got a mic? As a wheelchair user, thank you so much for all the walkways. I've been to quite a few much, much, much bigger festivals, and they had Rubbisher walkways. There were a couple of places where they fell apart, but mostly they were absolutely brilliant. The accessible toilets, not so much, and please have a nice big aisle like there is in Stage B. The one in here is kind of doable, but not big enough that you can sit in it as a wheelchair user, so you kind of just have to sit at the back and putting the diversity workshop in the aisle that you couldn't get through the door was a failure. That's good feedback. On the subject of the trackway and all the stuff you see about the site, that stuff is enormously expensive. We spent over 10 grand on that stuff, and they didn't even lay it for us. We even had to offload it and lay it ourselves, so that's 10% of the ticket price. Yes, we recognise the need for it, and of course it's primarily, I suppose, during setup to stop trucks sinking in the mud, of which plenty did. Tuesday was pretty terrible, but of course it really helps people around the site as well. The aisle thing is actually really good feedback there. We'd not heard that from anyone else, and that's worth knowing. The problem is the chairs get laid out and taken away by just you guys at the end of talks when we need them, but I don't think we've really been monitoring that as much as we should, so that's good feedback for next time. Sorry, did we address all your points? I think you had one more, maybe. Oh, sorry. Oh, the toilets, yes. We hate the toilets. The toilets were really awful anyway. They weren't really awful. You didn't go in the really awful ones. No, because they were really awful, but not all of them were really awful. Okay, true. None of them were on fire, as Ben has pointed out. Actually, I'd just like to point out that Ben here was doing first aid at Reading Festival last weekend, and just because he didn't, you know, he wasn't busy enough, he... How long were some of the other teams as well? Yeah. Part of them, on the issue of the toilets, if you do go out to other festivals and see things and especially, say, accessibility needs and things like that, if you do see stuff then please let us know what works for you because it's sometimes not so easy for us to tell, unless you go to a lot of festivals in the UK, which I do try to. Oh. No. As a thing for feedback, please do email us, because we'll... I couldn't hear everything because we need to have a mic over there, really, but... Pass a mic and then repeat what you said. But shorter. Well, no, I have what you said. He said, fence the... Toilets off. Okay. Well, yeah, that's not a bad plan. We can do that, too. Yeah. Next question. We're completely, like, destroying the place here. We're done now. Food vendors. I know you were let down at the last minute by one of them. There was a lot of a case of either shutting early or running out of food, and I know for a lot of people it got to dinner time and everybody thought, hmm, dinner, and then there was no food. Are there any food vendors here before I say bad things about them? No, this is their retrospective. Other than Alex, who is awesome and we love him. The coffee guy. Also, there was... There was a definite market for somewhere selling chips at mid-light. That was the vendor that let us down. I had a standing order for bacon, and I was let down on the bacon stand. But Nick can answer this question. There was absolutely bacon. What are you talking about? It was only if it was in a crepe. Pancakes. And an sandwich and a bun. Yeah. I think we made a good improvement on food this year, and I think we can do better next time. We're quickly about the food vendors. We did get let down by one of them, so it reduced capacity slightly. But the food vendors also massively underestimated how much you all eat. It's another underestimation, but this one wasn't ours. They ran out of food, but there's very little we can do about that. We tell them how many people are coming and we have to trust they're going to get it right. The only way we can deal with that is having more and more food vendors as a mitigation. There is a whole load of meat in the fridge and the barbecues will be running all night. So if you're feeling hungry, just pop up outside the bar. There should be food there. Next question from someone. One over here. In terms of numbers of volunteers, it felt this time it went a lot better. We had more volunteers and it seemed to be working better than it did last time. That's not the impression I got. No. Got another question here? On the volunteering thing quickly, I know this is breaking into the middle of the talk, but we need more volunteers for security tonight. I believe from the six till midnight? No, no. Nine till midnight? Three till six shift tonight. Sitting at the front gate, there's tea, there's still working internet. It's mostly just... No, you're not allowed to. We really do need more volunteers. It should be noted that everyone who's involved in this is a volunteer and when other people don't pitch in to help, we end up doing the roles as well. So it kind of kills everyone and some people just break eventually. So please just give some... Pardon? You can have a ticket, but there's a one in ten chance you might be forced to work. Right, next question. Other than volunteering more, what do you wish we as attendees would do different? Buy your tickets earlier. Buy your tickets earlier. Yes. Seriously, buying tickets earlier helps us a lot in terms of cash flow. This year was especially bad. There was one sponsor who will remain nameless because I don't hate them that much, who still hasn't paid their sponsorship. And because of that and several other things, I've had to loan EMF a significant amount of my savings in order for this thing to happen. So if everybody bought their damn tickets earlier, I wouldn't need to don't clap because it's your fault. You know what it's like now. In 2016, buy your tickets in January. Hopefully they'll be on sale in January. But at any rate, when they go on sale, and then it really helps us with knowing... Three weeks ago, I think we had only sold 750 tickets. So we sold 250 tickets in the last three weeks. But we have to pay all our suppliers before the event happens. So it's just like, the money's going down and where are the tickets? Where are the tickets? We've pretty much sold out. There is one more thing on the... what you can do. Bring more awesome stuff. Seriously, everyone loves people having crazy installations and things. People love going and... doing things like that. I think it's a big step up this year. Big up knotting hack. Yeah. Big up the free booze, that's all I'm saying. But things like that are really good. There's a lot of villages that have done that this year. It's a big step up from last time and I'm hoping that next time you all come and when you come, you think, what am I going to bring with me? What can I show to other people? Are you patiently waiting for five minutes or have your question been asked? So I just wanted to quickly voice the fact that there's basically no more alcohol in the bar. That's like, just so it gets in the feedback session. Ben, you know I know that. I know and also the thing that is perhaps less obvious, which is the lack of diversity of booze behind the bar would be nice if we're sort of iterating towards better. No wine, no spirits, etc. So the booze thing essentially, I'll finish. We were very worried about ticket sales. We were very worried about going bankrupt and given that mine and Russ' names are the company names, we don't really want to go bankrupt. So we didn't buy as much booze as we'd like to because we couldn't get it on sale or return. If we got it on sale or return, we would have had more. So if you know of any friendly booze vendors that will give us booze on sale or return, then yes, we'll absolutely have all the booze. It's difficult with ale and everybody loves ale here for some reason. I base the beer order for this year of how much beer we actually drank in 2012 and everybody has drunk more per person this year than they did in 2012, which I didn't think was possible because it was actually quite a large number. It was something like a thousand pints a day in that region. But not each. Although apparently some people have been trying. But yes, we now know the parameters of how this can work. So I think there's even been some talk of maybe we take the robot arms and take it to CCC next year and bring the good beer to the Germans. Might need a bit of money though, McFly. Right, next. Just two small ones. I don't think anybody's explicitly mentioned it, but the number of the array of workshops and the actual quality of the workshops was amazing. And also toilets for the next one to separate the toilets and food vendors a little bit more. Yeah, noted. Not all the toilets were in the places they were supposed to be. And then once people started using them, you don't really want to move them. Yeah. That'll be fixed. Hands up. Anyone? Well, there's only one thing. Why didn't you tell us in Germany earlier that this will happen? It was very difficult to learn about this event in Germany. Maybe the inner circle of CCC knew it very well, but on the homepage of CCC there was nothing. Blame the CCC. How should we have told you because we would have loved to have told you. It's not like people involved in the CCC or anything. What's the topic on the internet? Yeah. Our PR this year was actually much harder than previously. It's basically because we've run it before all the press we really only approach the UK press most of the time. They just don't want to know. They'll come and report on the event at the time. They're quite happy to do that. But beforehand they just don't care because it's happened before it's not a new thing. But yes, our international press is probably absolutely terrible and that's mainly because I only speak English. If anyone would like to be our press officer who speaks many languages, please come and talk to me afterwards. That really is well-volunteered. There's been a lot of feedback during the event from people who've just found out about EMF and they're all very angry they didn't know earlier and I'm very sorry they didn't know earlier because we'd like to sell more tickets. We're very angry that they didn't find out earlier. We're all angry. We'd like to spend more time on the internet. Next up. I was wondering what the final tally from the bar was on points sold and also what the projected tally would be how do you not run out of beer? Hang on a second. I'll just look it up on the website. till1.emf.camp you can follow along at home. Our till is accessible on the internet if you want to look at the bar sales and everything. We sold about ten and a half thousand pounds worth of beer and we've only spent beer and club martyr and I think that's about five thousand pound profit which is good but we don't get that money until after the event mostly because a lot of that was card which was good. I think everybody enjoyed the cash back because thank you as much as you can enjoy a banking process of course. I don't have total points here but we'll tweet it when it is known. There's a question just over here. We'll go for the back first. We can wait. Going on with the bar theme there wasn't much choice well there wasn't any choice once the food vendors stopped selling if you didn't drink alcohol or caffeine. It's a fair point. I think we were aiming to get some other stuff and I don't know what happened. We originally wanted to do some drinks at the bar but it's really difficult to get all of this together like actually coordinating getting all the different beers and so on and the club martyr and everything else is hard in itself and by the time we got to Friday morning which is where we should have gone out to get to the wholesaler to get the soft drinks we were just swamped under so many other things that we didn't have enough time to do it. Yeah that is something the best thing to fix about that is to have more people who can volunteer and help out with actually organizing the bar rather than running it. It's probably just worth pointing out. We ran really late and set up this time due to a lot of the tents not being set up in time this is not our fault this is suppliers which forced a lot of us to be doing things much later than we should have been so things like that got delayed and they just didn't get sorted. But it was a very tight set up schedule because we got on site on Monday but we didn't do anything on Monday evening and then we started off Tuesday morning when it was pissing down with rain and there was an accident which closed the motorway so a load of the supplies were late and just that tiny little bit of knock on just kind of followed through. I was pretty pleased with how quickly it went in the end. It wasn't grossly unfinished by the time people started coming on site and we built the entire thing in three days which is I think pretty good for you. Which is probably a pertinent time to say that we've got to take it apart in three days and if you have the ability to stay along and give us a hand that's generally staffed less than the set up. I'm going to go for the person who had their hand up. Jonty, there was one over here. Over there first. Can they clean the bar? Can they clean the bar? Can you Can you Well, there is how do you mean clean the bar? You know. Oh, there it is. Oh yeah. It has survived. Few different things. They need to be cleaned. Oh, you mean that you think the bar was dirty? I think that I would like to taste some beer. I don't know what's going on anymore. Thank you for your contribution. I'm going on to the next question. Right, we've got one over here and then who has had a question over this side? Hi, Jonty. I just want to say a huge thanks from us over here. You've done an awesome job. Putting it back to you what do you guys think went really well this year and what feedback do you want to give us? I think we only see the bad things. Yeah, it's true actually. It's really difficult to get a view which is this week I learned. You can get someone to come and empty toilets on two hours notice. How many of you knew that? It's really useful. I've got to say I really loved the installations. I was on a shiny budget in the run-up and getting that list coming through was really, really satisfying. It was one of the things that kept me interested in doing this and then wandering around the site and just the number of cool bits of kit that people had was phenomenal. So more of that please and we can help out. There were a couple of installations like the ISS Tracker that we helped out fund and hopefully we'll be able to do more of that next time. More shiny stuff. I just want to quickly say that due to the wind there were a few of the things that we termed shiny projects. They never got deployed because it was too windy to actually put them outside which is a bit of a shame especially given one of them involved kites and you'd think that would work better. So there were a few things that didn't happen around the site which is a bit of a shame but that's why we do so many things but if you would like to build something for next time do get in touch and maybe we can help out. Closer to next time. Not like next week. That would be bad. Can you say something? From Germany and I know only CCC now and I'm really enjoying it that there are like way more small camps like this and also other countries are having such a nice hacker scene like here in Britain and there should be way more events over Europe in every country like at this site like this. It was really really great. I do actually have a positive thing say which is I really enjoyed like I was unfortunate enough that I spent the entire weekend running around looking a bit tired and things like that but I got to spend a lot of time with speakers especially but almost everyone I bumped into whether a speaker or not was incredibly enthusiastic about something I'm really interested in talking. I don't think I met anyone who wasn't enthusiastic about something and willing to share that with people and whether it was whiskey or other forms of alcohol or something else I'm pretty sure I had a conversation that didn't revolve around that but it was great that everyone was so enthusiastic and it was really nice that people came along ready to talk about whatever they're into I spent a lot of time at tech security events and people tend not to speak to each other much at those sometimes because they think they're too cool to talk to other people and it was really nice that everyone had something they were enthusiastic and wanted to talk to people about so that was really nice that everyone came along and did that. I wanted to say something we've been doing the staging equipment and if there's anything we learned and we had a part in this as well but we'd really like to know beforehand what you need as a speaker instead of two minutes before the talk thank you Right so I think we will do one more question and then we'll get on to We had one question it's been waiting here for about five minutes. One quick thing so we can actually go on a little bit longer if we really want to should we just finish up now or do people want to keep going make some noise Hang on. Hands up if you have a big question that you desperately need to ask Anyone? Hands up. Really important Right we have one important question Right we get one more question then we're done. It better be a good one One at the back Right everybody else who wants to just start kicking off and enjoying things put your hands up if you don't really mind about the next number of questions Right we can get away with a few questions I think that was at least 50-50 You can have two more From the Dutch village we really would like to thank the EMF organisers for standardising on the Artifests That wasn't a question Okay we have one more question from the back. Where is it? Oh hang on Which one's which? Okay the one who's standing up he's more enthusiastic you're going to get the mic first Where's your golf buggy? You want me to weld it up and I want to go home soon Not that we answered a great time and I hope everybody enjoyed blacksmithing but really So if someone can bring it before midnight that'd be really cool Cheers Okay and the last question No pressure I'm not sure if this is mentioned before but vendors, that was really cool having vendors here. More vendors would be really cool because this is a nice event to actually go and purchase stuff that doesn't have 30-day lead times in China Yeah we would like to have more vendors as well It's actually a little bit tricky for us because we have to dedicate space for them and every single time we have people outside with a stall or anything like that we have to deal with the fact that it might rain Frankly it didn't rain that's amazing It didn't rain that much Doomed Yeah I'm going to leave though We would love to have more vendors but the tents are really expensive I think they were biggest expenditure actually Second business expenditure it's really expensive to do that So we can do that if the vendors maybe start paying us to do it but then it gets kind of weird and it stops feeling so nice and community and I don't want to end up just being a trade show that feels wrong and that's the dangerous path to go down I think So I'm looking at a beetle There's a really massive beetle down here that are already distracted This is how tired everyone is that a beetle is this interesting Right I think we probably need to call the vendors there unless anyone's got one that's absolutely desperate This person has been waiting for about 5 minutes He's already asked one In that case you can wait longer You have used your quota We're back in 2 years but not here so you better go where we are In which case then it's probably time for us to finish I think we'll have lots more questions we'll still be open to suggestions and things like that but after we've packed up and gone home so if you write them down you can put them away somewhere safe and stick them on the wiki later That'd be lovely and we'll all be in the bar later anyway so come talk to us then The bar with no beer So a slight bar announcement the Germans have prevailed and we will be serving Schunk later That's half the room cheering and half the room doesn't know what Schunk is but we'll shortly find out which is great Go for it We actually needed any talks this weekend we just had that on a loop Oh Anyway We're done with questions So it's time for us to finish We really hope that you've all enjoyed it It's been a really hard year for all of us to get this done on the team and this is only a fraction of the people who've been involved in the event They've all worked incredibly hard Some people have taken time off work Some people have taken pay cuts Some people have just gone crazy We all really wanted this to happen We wanted this to be a fun thing for you guys and I really hope it has been It seems like no one said it was bad before I think it probably was We'd really like to thank all the speakers They all work for free They do this just because they want to come here much the same as we do There was an amazing selection this year This year was the first year we used a panel to select the speakers There were nine people, some of whom were in this room and it was It was great to do that because it meant I didn't have to try and choose between this amazing selection of speakers afterwards other people could do it for me If you didn't speak this year and you think you'd like to next time please do It's an incredibly supportive community and if you're not sure about speaking publicly then we'll probably help you get trained Tef did volunteer to do this and then I don't think it ever happened No one came forward everybody was like well I'll just see what happens Thank you very much for your time Thank you for the amazing presentations Some of them were genuinely brilliant They will all be available online afterwards for the people who opted into being streamed which actually was opt out You're all being streamed except like two people I think they're probably going on YouTube I don't know what's going on with that We have to thank all the volunteers because there's a vast number of volunteers who helped out with this I don't know what the final numbers were but it was scary high The security volunteers did it just on the spur of the moment they didn't sign up in advance probably because they knew what the job was but we really want to thank the security volunteers and the car park people because that's a really hard job that nobody really wants to do Thank you so much for doing that it's made our lives easier We want to thank the first aid volunteers who again have had a really hard time with it There's not many accidents I don't think that I've heard about anyway I think the total number is like 40 or something You've all been very safe so well done but the team, the first aid team have been unbelievably brilliant so thank you for that I'd like to thank all the people who pitched in with the badge stuff on Thursday, Friday and Saturday sat there soldering until three or four in the morning when they really should just be in bed so every badge that you have there was done by somebody who just turned up and decided to help out so thank you for that and I hope that everyone who has volunteered understands how much work goes into this now and how much we really need people to help out so if future events, please just give us a little bit of time we're all volunteers too, it's quite important We'd like to thank the team Yesterday I ended up in a conversation after quite a lot of whiskey at three in the morning with somebody who asked someone asked how they could show their thanks to the team and I didn't really have a good answer and to be honest, I still don't really have a good answer unless buying them drinks which is quite a nice thing to do but the best thing you can do for all the people who helped out with this is just to go and say thank you to them not actually that many people do and it means a lot when somebody comes up and just says thank you for this and all these people on stage just go and thank them if you see them around the site it means a lot to them Thank you Firstly, apologies to the people who did come up to the info tent today and did say thank you and got scowled at please say thank you to us but if we scowl at you it probably means we're really busy it is appreciated even if we don't look it I'll just add to that that a couple of people have come up and said we really appreciate the amount of work you put in and that just actually means so much to us to know that you've all enjoyed yourselves it means that we've actually done our job really really well so thank you for that I just want to quickly point out that all these people who have sat on the stage barely any of them have seen any talks this weekend barely any of them have actually been to the event I've seen one talk this weekend it was really good but I've only seen one talk there are some people who haven't seen any at all because they spent all weekend running the event so it do thank them it's worthwhile I just wanted to say thank you for people who had accessibility needs for bearing with us when we got things wrong and for saying thank you because we know we got things wrong and there were things that we want to do better and we have a long list of those things and we welcome any feedback on it that does go for everything feedback on all things right random special thanks to John from Tool for buying BBQ food for everyone last night on the team that was quite nice you didn't really need to do that but that was just showing thanks in a different way we appreciate it and I want to thank the entire team because this was a crazy idea that Russ and I had or we were drunk many years ago it keeps happening I have no idea what's going to happen next I think we're having a pub next I don't know anyway so I've got one slightly old thing that happened this weekend and I'm not going to name who these people are but someone came here this weekend and went to the Silvering workshop and made a ring and then proposed to someone else there's an R there and I teared up a little bit when I found out that and I'm not going to name them and if they want to make themselves known feel free but our best wishes from the entire team that's a really lovely thing to do here and I think we're coming to the end I've got two more things which are not really closing ceremony related but McFly over here has challenged coins from Miliways they're really lovely metal coins printed with the Miliways logo on one side and a special EMF design on the other and they've come all the way over here and fed the volunteers for three days and it's going to be five days by the time they leave they've fed half the camp as well and they've done wonderful things but the way they fund their trip over here is by selling these coins they're really little things to keep you can collect them from all the camps and if you would like one go and see McFly at the end I think he's got probably like 20 50 to 20 which is quite a large range so 15 oh 15 to 20 the accent so yeah as usual if you would like one please go and buy one they're a nice thing to keep and if you go to the camps in the future you'll be able to collect them I'm sure someone's got them framed on the wall somewhere and then also the Stubnitz which some of you may know from Electromagnetic Wave last year is an amazing venue they are a converted fishing vessel which was over in London temporarily I think for six months we ran an event there last year they are in dire straits they have had to take their vessel into dry dock and at the moment it's not looking like it's going to come back out they're running a crowdfunding campaign to try and raise money for it one day we would really love to run an event on the ship again but obviously without money that's never going to happen so if you came to Wave and you enjoyed it or you just like the idea of a boat that's been retrofitted as a club then please give them a little bit of money it means a lot to us and to them as well I kind of forgot to ask that I know it costs them about 150,000 euros a year to run and that's not including I think the breaks so it's expensive business having a ship yeah and also piloting around but they run as a non-profit they make no money and they're all skint all the time so please give them some money and then three more things actually not this thing first if you were a volunteer during the event actually just who did volunteer put your hand up if you volunteered during the event everyone else should be ashamed thank you to all of you if you didn't get your badges we have badges here which were there are four different styles and they're to be collected for each shift you do if you didn't collect your badges come up to me afterwards and you can have them they're really nice little pin badges just for the MF logo on them but we didn't give them all out so they're up here two final things which is next year is 2015 and we may or may not be doing a one day event so I think it depends on how we all feel after this I think we'd like to purely because it's a nice thing for us to do and keep people coming so it will be somewhere in the country we don't know where but it will be one day 400 people or something like that so hopefully come along to that and then we will be back in 2016 as long as we don't all have breakdowns in the meantime and also we'll be at CCC camp next year right? those guys Germany next summer that's the next European hacker camp on the circuit so CCC is September is that right? August second weekend of August CCC camp somewhere in Europe Germany I presume I believe it's in Germany this year outside Berlin and it's like this it's just three times bigger so go along to that you'll have a lot of fun we'll be there we'll be running the bar again probably I think we've just agreed to doing that now which is one reason why I shouldn't get drunk but yes in 2016 we'll be back we will not be on this site again because it's not big enough and also because if it rained it would have been horrendous but we will be back again if you would like to help out please come and find one of us or email us we always need more volunteers we always need more people to help out with the organisation this year we could really have done with help with sponsorship and some of the talk stuff as well and power and the bar actually everything probably programers if you would like to help out we need no more people to help out with the network I'm sorry about that but we just don't need that many people but for everything else the power is quite fun actually like if you want to help out with the network actually come and help out with the power because you get to play with big toys yeah and that's it so 2016 we'll be back somewhere in the UK oh yes right so if you would like another badge if you would like so your badge is completely reprogrammeable it's usable if your badge is dead please come and see this we'll give you a working one but we have another 250 to 300 of them no that's the wrong video that's when you got it right but trolled coon in the process so disappointing but yeah if you would like another badge to play around with they are actually worth in components alone about 30 quid we will have them for sale online there is a form which I believe has been emailed out to everyone all of you have received an email if you would like to sign up for one we'll get in touch and we'll post them out to you as and when we get them ready it'll be in the next month or so but please buy them because it helps us fun next year all the money we make from this goes straight into the next event and a little bit of one after that I guess so please do that other than that I think we are completely done so oh yeah sponsors sound more excited sponsors I was meant to have a slide here but I forgot to do it so I'm really sorry thank you to all the sponsors who helped make EMF possible they were a mix of people sponsoring the badge people sponsoring the lounge people sponsoring the internet connection they also got sponsored actually child care UCL need a lot of credit for the child care that was their idea and it was a brilliant one I'm hoping the child care was well used by everyone and we would like to bring it back but it's tremendously expensive so if anyone works for a company that has a lot of money we'd like to do it again so if you work for a company that has a lot of money you'd like to get involved at all then I'm sure we can use it somewhere so yeah thank you to all the sponsors for helping us out at the last minute with a lot of things it's saved the event in many ways actually I think we're done so can we have a round of applause for the entire team a round of applause for the speakers are you done thank you very much we appreciate it all we'll all be around this evening we're now going to go into music this evening I believe we have an act starting almost immediately so we have a full program of music until midnight they may go later if they get excited and Coon is going to have a little chat on the microphone now thank you so much for everything you've done could you please stack up the chairs at the side of the tent in stacks of tents saves us a lot of trouble