 All right, this is destiny. Hello. Welcome to our monthly meeting. I just wanted to remind you all of the code of conduct for today. Please follow it. Be respectful, be kind to each other. Do you all agree to follow the code of conduct? Everybody thing. Yeah. So here's our beautiful group, the WG group, the new co-chair destiny. Hello. And everybody's hearing. Thank you. We have finally published our new two resources, best practices for inclusion and welcoming people to conferences. And when you attend conferences to present and you're not provided appropriate accommodations, what do you do as a deaf person? If you need accommodations and the place that you're attending, the conference that you're attending is not providing the appropriate type of accommodation. So those two resources are now published and ready for people to use. We also got a spot on, we got a contribution on the CNCF website. So that's really exciting. We have a new SMAST, a little animal, Armadillo, you still need a name for him. So we're taking any suggestions. Right now we have Duffy, D-E-A-F-Y. And then we have Ally or A11Y, which is a play on the word Ally. A11 is kind of a play on words when you see the word Ally. The two L's are ones instead. And so it's a play on the name. And then A80, that's a play on Kubernetes, I believe. And so we're kind of like figuring out the best way to see A80. That's maybe a name for Armadillo. I think it's really cute. I think it matches our vibe. What do you all think? Rob, you can go ahead and take it away. Out there in Chicago. Really exciting. Go ahead. So, oh, yeah. Oh, sorry. Yes, me. Okay. Go ahead. All right. Yeah, I was typing in the chat. So I was wanting a show of hands about the last meeting, what you thought, etc. So I'd like to have more people vote and comment. For the next meeting that we have. So you can drop it in the chat. The KubeCon in Chicago. Yes. Okay, so we've got a lot of nine people in the working group and we've got four deaf individuals. Destiny, Ian Smith, Jay and myself, and we'll all be there. And we have other folks flying in from Europe, Amy June. Aralee. And then we have Jay and John here. And then. Star of the show. Catherine. Catherine is the star. Yes. Is that the sign for star? Yes. Yes, she's been so instrumental in this group. So, and getting the networking going and getting things set up. And so she's definitely the star here. So she's been tremendously helpful. And so she's, she's the champion of this whole thing. So yeah, thank you. Star. I don't know what the gesture sign is for star. What is the gesture for what? Star. I don't know what to think about that. I don't know. But anyway, I don't know if there's a gesture sign for star. Oh, like that. Okay, cool. Different. That's interesting. Interesting. Okay, so anyway, moving on down the agenda. So we'll, we'll also have a available reserved seats. You can get that online. So you'll have you can navigate the conference and you know you can add things online and so it'll all be online and at the cube calm. It's the first time they're providing a more international gestural signed approach to interpreting. So that will be available there. And so it's very, very professionally done. So at this time I've talked with the interpreters at that conference they're very professional and very quick and very smooth, and there hasn't been a communication breakdown at all and you know there's been a negotiation on what that looks like. So it's going to be on the agenda, and it's going to be accessible and it's going to be online so that's going to be really terrific so that's really nice. So anyway, so we need interpreters we requested them, etc. So we'd like to kind of make our case as to why we did that, why we were requesting interpreters, and try to include sign language interpreters in the recording, so it could be watched online, and it could be seen later as well. And so the interpreters, you know, the interpreters are going to be everywhere of course, but where destiny, myself, Jay and John will be there will be interpreters where we are. And the keynote speaker of course obviously will have an interpreter, and there will be obviously there. And I don't know about each session it depends on individual preferences, and some will be attending all the sessions. I think so I mean, we're not going to try to interpret all of them or just going to follow where the interest is I think, and it by each deaf person's interest and attendance so. We'll try captioning auto captioning will be there as well. Let's see, and we'll have that ready on site as well. The keynote will be captioned and interpreted and I don't know about breakouts. There'll be some surprise breakouts but I didn't know about that so anyway, so I guess we'll be seeing the captioning on YouTube later. And they're going to recording, they're going to be recording it and posting it to YouTube. So that it can be watched at a later time by someone who couldn't attend and the captions will be there as well so we'll do some breakouts. And so we haven't really set where the deaf and hard of hearing and interpreter folks are going to meet yet and organize themselves. And, oh, so, you know, we'll go and talk about who's going to go where tonight and get the interpreters on board with all that. So we're going to meet the central area somewhere we will get that organized. And, okay, so there'll be four speakers at coupon for so that'll be really terrific. But I guess I should add one more, but it's not official. The next one is not official but there's going to be some lightning talks. And that's more or less like what destiny has already been through with Q, with Q con and so destiny is going to kind of run that for for that so that's great. And I'm nervous. Yeah, are you able to see everything all right have you seen everything. I missed it I was working I wasn't able to see it. Oh, sorry, but anyway so they recorded they recorded it on YouTube destiny thing. And Milad saying so we can watch it later on YouTube. Yeah, we can see it on YouTube. Yeah, so yes that those will be posted on YouTube. Because I'll send it out to you all but don't send it to your network because you're waiting for cube calm to be finished and then we'll show it publicly. And, but I'll share the link with you all to look at it before we do. Awesome. And the keynote destiny is on the keynote stage, which will be tremendous. Whoo. So that's awesome. Yeah. And destiny and again destiny what's new and destiny, Ian and Jay and Catherine will be up on the platform. And don't be a deaf engineer. I think Midori was that correct. And then there'll be some redefinition. Thank you. And then a keynote. And again, we're, there's going to be a hot discussion on that one it's going to be a hot dog. So, the tech folks will be on other committees as well and so there will be a fifth thing, a podcast with red note yeah red hat no this is that right red hat. There'll be a group there anyway and it's a podcast and we're going to be talking about tech and access and all of that stuff so we're going to be talking about this working group there too. And that'll be on the agenda. And Catherine, her company is star, the star company. And then we will be getting all that information out to you as well. And there's some donations involved in that as well. And so now I'm going to pass it over to Catherine, our star. So, Craig, it's a little crazy that we have to be thinking about the next coupon before the coupon even started, but it's the reality today so keep comparison happening in March. And we have a few people in Europe, and I'm glad to see to our here in the call. So, yeah, I think we don't have to submit anything right now right but like start thinking about it, and and have some ideas. So, once coupon is done, we can get right on it and I would really kind of encourage everyone to share the abstract with everyone we wanted to be as well positioned as possible it is a very, very competitive conference 11% acceptance rate only so it is the people they have submitted their entire live and never gotten to talk right so we want to be sure that they're really strong. And so I think like if we help each other, it's really good. And for the people. Milad and a Stadia. So, specifically. So, we mentioned that before but they are like scholarships. Right. And so, as we know Rob and destiny got them so the whole trip is paid for, which is great. And so you should definitely apply for that. I don't know if you are out. Right, I don't know exactly when but we have a little time, but just for you to know. And yeah so you can submit that. And then for talks. I mean it would be great to do a mix. I think we should always talk about accessibility because that's important. I think one thing that is really important is, you're also engineers. So you should not be talking only about accessibility right you, you're also accomplished professionals and we want to see you talking about technical things as well. That gets a lot more competitive as well because that's where most of the people are submitting talks but so if there is anything I don't know. I don't know how comfortable you are with the technology or not. And so just something to think about there are a lot of. What's it called cloud native novice is a track, which focuses a lot on introductory talks, you know, because a lot of I think like 35% or so of coupon attendees or first timers. John do you know, do you know the number. It may be high, it may be even higher. So I want to ask you Catherine. So you're saying that. I can't spell it okay cube con. I know that many are talking about Kubernetes different topics like that. To be honest, I'm currently working the front end. That's where most of my experience is. So I don't think that it's a real good match with my skill set to talk about those types of topics they might not accept my personal skill set as a topic that I submit. So how confident, can I submit or how can I submit something that's really related to my skills that would be have that would have a competitive edge excuse me. I would say probably if, if you're if that's not your skill set what makes most sense is probably just to focus for now at least more on the accessibility side and the work that this group is doing. And I don't know if you're ever interested in because it is a Kubernetes conference after all right so people have to kind of know the technology, and you would be competing with people who are very proficient in that so. And I know one of the things is that there are very few people that we know off their death in cloud native and that's one of things that we want to change right so maybe we just start with more accessibility talks and as we identify people with those skills or as people within this group who started to get to know the CNCF and the ecosystem and start building those skills we can go to that right so. But, yeah, I mean, some ideas anyways, unless you have like another thing in mind but I think it's probably rather difficult if you don't have just the skills because Kubernetes is like Kubernetes is at the core of the conference topic right so. This is a destiny just a little tip for you a lot so Rob was teaching me and Jay about Kubernetes. And so he taught us, and then we took classes as well to just kind of learn a little bit more about it so if my career were to change in the future and it were to include more of that that's something that you could look into just a tip for you Malan. And as talks is saying also in that area as well it's not really I'm not really very much related to that as well to Kubernetes either but I am tangentially related to Kubernetes, but accessibility issues. I think that's really what we've been invited to the stage to talk about more and and. It's, it's a lot for me in terms of submitting topics. Because I haven't really started working. So, I'm hoping that I will start working soon very soon so that I have some, you know, context before that the conference, but. I would like to submit something on my talk but if I don't have anything related to that to submit for a talk. Possibly there are two other topics that focus on accessibility that might be more general and more fitting in this regard. So, I mean, I didn't mean to say like people have we have to submit something I was just saying like we should not only think about this group supporting talks about accessibility right so you should definitely talk about something you feel comfortable with. We actually I'm very aware that most of the people here the engineers here do not necessarily come from that background and. It's totally fine but we start with whatever you feel comfortable and passionate about because that's the only way you are going to be great right if you're doing something out of your comfort zone. You're not. Yeah. This is Anastasia. I'm sorry, Rob, if you could just hold on for one moment. I wanted to just clarify so a lot and others myself included. I don't really have a lot of experience talking in front of audiences about accessibility issues. So I would love to see how destiny and Rob will be presenting this particular conference in November, the ninth to the 16th I think the interpreter is not sure. And then I could kind of have a better idea of what to submit for a talk. I believe November 26 might be a date that I could have a better idea but I could help kind of brainstorm with Rob. And Rob speaking, you know, there will be opportunities for Anastasia and Milad to discuss that at another time. And like destiny, her group, it's been very similar to her so Catherine we could use your networking and your expertise in organizing and, you know, breaking through and getting a slot in there for a panel discussion that they might be able to contribute to as well as well. And like Amy June and or Arlie. So it's just an idea for future thoughts. I'm just trying to figure out who to talk first. Anastasia says, go ahead Milad. Yeah, good. An accessibility topic I feel like it's something I might be able to talk about. Now I'm thinking of ideas. I know it's the same all over Europe, but I just want to say that the experience here is different than America in the US. Everyone is deaf people are required to use interpreters when they work. That's what accessibility means there. I don't know Anastasia if it's the same for you, but here it's not like a must. And so I'm surprised about the things that I hear in the US. So if I talk about the accessibility things that I experienced here. Different because here at work. Everyone speaks English and so I don't know if. Excuse me to versions not sure. We're talking about the UK as well and hungry. He's in Hungary. So some a lot saying, because of the differences in accessibility and working with interpreters and working with employers and accommodations and how they are different than American accommodations. So I don't really understand how to necessarily frame this conversation and if this is a good topic. Because maybe I could present about this in Paris but I'm not quite sure how to frame the contents. Maybe Catherine can help me sort of develop that. And then companies around Europe can learn from this and better accommodate the employees that request services. And Anastasia is saying, if I could say one more thing. So Milad was talking about what he was saying is right but because you know in the UK, they sign British sign language which is different than American sign language and you know the audience will be speaking English. And then the interpreters will be using ASL and I don't, I don't think all of Europe knows ASL and they kind of use that universal universal gestural language to make it more universal and international friendly but I understand what you're saying about that Milad. I'm not saying it's a challenge and Rob saying you see Catherine, there may be more of a language barrier across countries between deaf folks than people who are hearing and deaf because the hearing folks will be using English as a default language. It's really easy to understand each other just like you know, Korea, for example, everyone will speak English if there's a conference there but here we're talking about ASL BSL international sign language and so now we have a mixture of different signed languages. And then you'll notice that people will be using a pigeon of those languages sort of fusing some of those languages together it's fun, funny, but interesting to navigate. So, I'm not sure. I haven't really thought about Paris yet but I know that that is a thing. And one thing that is important to know so it's like in the US, it's a North American conference so ASL is definitely language that should be used right English is the international business language. ASL is not so there's a difference there. So, I'm not really sure and that's something that I wanted to discuss with the group. If it's in Europe we have to adapt to the European market we cannot say like, just because the CNCF has a headquarters in the US we're going to impose ASL on everyone. So, ASL is not the international business language for deaf professionals right so so we have to think, I don't want to get into that discussion yet so that's like something that we probably should discuss and then come with our recommendation for the CNCF because that's we're our group is basically the expert group that will recommend what to do for the CNCF but I believe it should be like what is what makes sense for Europe right because it's the European conference just as the North American is a North American one so they should be different and they're for different different audiences and the language should reflect that so whatever that is I was thinking probably international sign language but I don't know so we'll we'll discuss that after CUP on North America and whatever we all think but especially you guys who are in Europe. You should kind of tell us what is the right language right. And we'll bring that up. Milad. It's an hour meeting so we'll discuss it more at another time. And does that work for you. That right. Okay. And we, on the agenda. There'll be an hour presentation. Happy hour. Happy hour thinking. Regarding the accessibility topics so I think like you don't when you're thinking about it you don't really have to start from scratch right I think one thing that we have to first educate people in general is like what does it mean being deaf and tech what are the challenges like people have no idea we're really just starting so I think one panel discussion where we really talk like we have deaf attendee deaf speakers. Like these are my experiences this is the chat these are the challenges that I have this is what it means you know like just educating people so it's just talking about your experience that is super important because people have another like no idea. Most people have never ever talked to that person in their life. Right so they have no idea what you're dealing with, and what what challenges you have what opportunities you bring you know like, no idea so I think like that is something that is probably not one topic. That's something that we have to like repeat over and over again, because it's not like it's not like the whole world will watch one talk right so it is really important I think that's the foundation kind of educate people on that so that they understand the community in general, and then. And then the other things are like, what are the things we've worked on right like we can present. Now we have recommendations for conferences right we can talk about the resources that have we have created the conclusions that we have made. Why it's important why other people should know it so it's not like you have to come if you have an idea out of the blue that is not has nothing to do with what with our work, but has to do with accessibility sure. But we should also promote our work and talk about that so that may make it a little easier because we have resources there right we have put a lot of work and thought into it so those are all topics because it all starts with the resource right like we create something. We put some thought into it everyone times in we're all happy with it and now we have to let, I call it like evangelize it right you have to go and just educate people make sure that people know about it and like talks are one tool to do that. So maybe that makes it a little less scary because we have some stuff now and we'll be working on more and we will have more by Paris. Right. And the experience that I've had working thus far might impact the way I tell the story. And it might impact the way that people receive my story, and I can share my struggles how I've learned to do my job. And that is a resource that we have right. And so that can help, I think develop the content for that talk and Catherine can help me Rob can help me develop the content to maybe brainstorm some ideas. And maybe we can talk a little bit more in depth during happy hour, maybe I can practice the topic a little bit you can watch me give me some feedback. Give me some tips. And I can edit it and make it something that is presentable. Oops, sorry. And I would also destiny said I would like to add that the 70 at Anastasia sorry. When I meet you in person. And, you know, I'm not very technical yet. You know, I'm not as technical as you. So I have been just, you know, being a deaf face for this, and talking a lot about accessibility and issues and I don't know what your sign for accessibility or accommodations might be I don't know if you have a specific sign for that. I think we're just using accessibility for that, like, I think accessibility is pretty common. In gesture, how do you sign it in your sign language. And I said, how do you sign that how do you have the two of you, Anastasia and Milad, how do you sign accessibility use you use that and is that in Hungary you use that in BSL we sign accessibility, like, like this. Milad's like this, we sign it like this. So like there's a barrier and then you find the like a breaking through and freedom got it okay so. That topic really is the thing I'm trying to show for people to see that I am a deaf professional. And we need that accessibility and that it's critical and key to being able to do our work. Because deaf people are going to be professional professionals working in the tech environment accessibility is key to that, and deaf people are in tech, you know, I am here. And we are not missing from this conversation so that is something that is been really important for me to emphasize, and even and looking at the lightning talks you know I mean, it's, people don't know that deaf people are even there. We need to be new to them to even see deaf faces represented there, and watch a signing and, and learn about the very basics of deaf people in professional professional spaces and in tech spaces, and focusing on educating everyone. You know, globally, you know that the deaf people are here, and we have needs of accessibility to make it work. And that's our goal right now is just to be present and be deaf faces in the room. Yeah, real quick. So one thing that is really cool is the fact that there will be interpreters during the keynote. That's when everyone is going to be there, they're going to be on screen. So here, no one will not see it so I think that's really cool because it's like it's a huge stage. It's a huge production you will see it's really cool. And there, they are suddenly you know so it's like, if you have just like two people walking around among 8,000 people, you know to deaf people amount, make 9,000 hearing people you will probably not notice right. So you see, like now where people are going to see the interpreters on stage it's going to make, yeah, it's going to make a difference because somebody, it was never like that so I think that's really cool. And the other thing that I wanted to say like, I mean, we gave the CNCF and the Linux Foundation their recommendations. Is it two or three weeks ago. I don't think this possible so I think this is amazing too. So, I did not expect to be like to put them to really kind of put so much effort into it so I think it's just really amazing then and I think I hope that you feel the support from the community because it seems to be really there. So, I just, I just think it's amazing it's like really was it three weeks ago from destiny that we gave it to them I don't know, or maybe two. I know it's, it's pretty cool. It really is. They're nodding. Yeah, great. Yeah. Yeah, I've enjoyed working. Oh, what did you did you were saying something. Well, I'm saying I'm sorry my internet's a little bit glitchy I'm trying to follow with the captions and the signs. It's really glitchy I'm sorry. Hopefully I'm able to continue following. Sorry, Jay or john. Did you have anything to add before we move on to the last bit. Oh, I'll just add something quickly. Just in support of what's been said. So I, I spoke for the first time at coupon around this time last year and I'd only been working in the space for about six months. I felt incredibly out of my depth and under qualified or not really sure about how things would be received from my perspective down here in New Zealand and talking about supporting Marty and indigenous communities. And it was virtual so I had no immediate feedback. So I had no idea how it would be received. But as has been said already, you don't, you don't. You don't anticipate how people will receive your perspective and I think that's something really important for everyone to keep in mind to never underestimate the power of your perspective. There's a lot of value I can see already this community has to offer, and you also have the support having the support as a group is really important as well I'm still with the only Marty I know in this place and trying to speak for on behalf of a community and about why I think our people and indigenous communities around the world might, you know, might be able to offer some value. I think the way that this group has come together and the momentum and just the support you already are demonstrating for one another is really important to that idea of community as as a whole as well. So, yeah, any of those sorts of doubts or concerns you might have might be completely valid, but still definitely you deserve to have a platform to be able to share what you see and who knows what could happen from there. So, yeah, I just want to say I'm looking forward to connecting with you all further and really looking forward to seeing what you will bring going forward. So, thank you. Great. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks, Jay. I think we had me not signing happy hour next on the agenda. Yeah, Mila. For me. It's your turn. Wow, that was really fast. It's my turn all of a sudden okay. I'm trying to see what I wrote. Hold on one moment. Let me just put my notes. You can put something in the chat if you want. Okay. I hope to see people joining this happy hour this month. We're learning lots of different words, lots of different technologies, lots of different ways that people are doing things and I hope everyone else is learning as well. I wish we had opportunities to learn more like this on an ongoing basis. I want to keep learning how other different signs for the new technology as they develop so that we can stay up to date with what's going on. I feel like I miss things, or I'll learn a sign and then I'll forget it because I don't use it. So if I miss a sign or something we can talk about it maybe one more person or you could let me know later. So I wanted anybody to feel like they could bring a topic up during happy hour to talk on it, whether it's tech or not tech related. Maybe it could be 10 to 20 minutes. And then after that presentation, people could give feedback on that particular topic and then that would improve everyone. Everyone's presentation skills, and it gives everyone an opportunity to practice in front of others. So that was my thought. I like that idea Milan, and like it's a mini conference within a conference. I like that mini conference idea, you know mini conference the deaf and hard of hearing having like 10 or 20 minutes to get comfortable with having people look at you while you present. Before you get out into the larger audience I like that and you get feedback and I think that's a great idea. Terrific. There's one thing. Oops. Yeah, I wasn't sure if I was going to say something. If it is like the recurring one, it would fall the same week as cube con is so just something to keep in mind because Rob destiny will be there or so if you want to just move it a week. So, I don't know if it is recurring I don't know which one as I have it in my calendar still for the one that I created. Well, at cube con we're already there. We could just, you know, do that with the deaf and hard of hearing group and like maybe we can tour the city or do something you know do something touristy and fun. Now I mean like for me land to kind of maybe switch it a month a week later so because people will be at cube con and not going to be able to participate in that so. Oh, I think. The main thing was that people at cube con. While we're there, like, and virtual participants included. We could have some kind of conference within a conference where we could get that kind of feedback. Yeah, like, and we could literally put them on the phone and show them, and like Rob and Jay or whatever. And we could include them that way. I mean it doesn't matter it's it's. Whatever. Whatever you love and Anastasia what do you think I'm just it's just an idea. What's up. Anastasia says I like it. I like that I get. You can take it, take you to keep con even like virtually make a tour through the. Yeah, get people excited rock saying. And Anastasia saying it also will be accessible to deaf people not just in the location where cube con is but all over the world. Yeah, it's just an idea I think it's something we could, you know, keep in mind. I like it I didn't think about it. He's saying well you know during happy hour we vlog and we could do that while we're having this event and people could then join the meeting it's just an hour. Maybe they could just join to watch for 10 minutes if they don't have an hour and learn a little bit, but be inspired. I have another idea about the Chicago conference. Maybe at one point, you could do like a live cast of what's happening at the conference so that people that aren't, aren't able to go can have a sense of the space. I don't know if you feel comfortable doing that. Is that something you could do maybe with Facebook I'm not quite sure if that's allowed or not. Yeah Catherine do we have. Um, like, John and Catherine do we have where we could go live or something like that. Well, all the talks are live streamed and are available for virtual attendees. So that is available but it's not anything that is public. Yeah. But you can certainly walk around with your phone and FaceTime people that is completely know that is. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you could Rob just calling up all your friends saying hey look at what's happening get people. I could also ask if there is any chance that people in our group can get virtual tickets. I don't know if they're normally you have to pay for them they're not super expensive but it's I don't know how they but because then you could watch. $75 American dollar ticket for the virtual event my friend purchased it for the virtual event because she wanted to just watch it live because she can attend in person. So it's $75 for that ticket. $75 $75 a ticket. $75 the virtual. Oh, virtual. If you go to America and attend in person. I mean, yeah, you could pay the $75 and watch it virtually to see the keynote present presentations and CS live. If you want to watch us. It's not public, but you can pay to access it. Also unique. It's cube con 2023 and Anastasia saying do they record just one room or all of the different. Yeah, you have to pay American dollars $75 I don't know what it would be in your in your currency. Yeah, everything will be on YouTube the following week though. Free. So it's just if you want to watch live. I believe you can also ask questions like they take questions from the in person audience but also virtual audience. So that's kind of like the difference that you're there live and but everything will be available. After the fact. And then someone had like a rock you had some crash course stuff. Yeah, so I teach the Kubernetes here in at my company. Salam. Salam. Just showing the sign name. So I teach Kubernetes here. And it's about a three hour maybe four hour session. So if you're interested in Kubernetes wants to learn about it, we can teach what it does how you can stand up a cluster. How to do a docker. Oh right you got to add a docker to that means that probably be a five to six hour class which I then think you might want to split up into pieces because that's quite long. So any deaf or hard of hearing person that's interested in watching. So, just a heads up. This is something I do online. I can do it cube con at the same time, or a separate time, either way. Where, where do you teach it online online. And is it your company is it virtual. Yeah, it's virtual, because you're in Europe, you can just join online, your zoom. I can join that. Yep. Very interested in joining that yes thank you. Well that's as cool. And Rob says yeah so I also have other deaf folks here in Seattle, who know a lot about Kubernetes that are experts so yeah, fill in the class. I have the curriculum in my head. So I just kind of go with it and teach, teach as I go. I teach, I taught it I think four times here at the company, if you can imagine. Wow, we should have all the deaf community that wants to be able to come to that, because it'd be so great to learn and spend time with each other and that's really a needed course. Yeah. And so I actually, I, I had that idea, like, I don't know at some point but I kind of got lost. Because we had so many other things to do but there are like the, there is a place online like the CNCF has this web page that is called community like cloud native communities. And these are like, like meetups, you know so people create meetups mostly local. It could be virtual too so we could create a deaf and hard of hearing thanks john meetup group virtual meetup group. Just put it out there so people actually can see it and it will probably start with only people in this group. But of course you could also post it on the deaf professional slack channel because there are probably people who are not interested in advocacy but might be interested in that. So I think that would be really cool not not to do it like in a close thing like probably at the beginning would be just people that you know, right. So some people, some way, some, some people might just discover it right and then more and more people may join that would be a different way of growing the deaf community and cloud native. Because again not everyone will feel that excited about the advocacy part right but they may be more excited about the learning about cloud native. So we should definitely do that. Yeah, I like that. As I feel like technology people like to interact with other people with the similar interests because they share ideas and grow. So I'm just going to request tomorrow night, you know, here in Hungary. There's a meeting. I already discussed it I think that there's a guy here that is going to discuss how interpreting and captioning and all of that works and what the process looks like and so tomorrow I will go it's it's near my office it's not far at all. And so I will attend that and I'm really interested to see what they have to say, but unfortunately, there's not an interpreter provided for the full meeting so. You know, there won't be interpreters there. Hopefully they'll have captioning or some sort of accessibility for that. But you know, I'm happy to go either way just to see what I can see in terms of, you know, be my first time here in Hungary, seeing that so that's really cool for cloud native stuff. And this is Rob, you could use your iPhone and have the auto captions auto transcribe work, maybe something like that. I don't know. Yeah, it's not, you know, sell that great but like I could do that in a heavy look up in town between my phone and the presentation I can make it work. Sometimes if you join through a zoom meeting, like if there's a presenter that uses a computer and they joined zoom. You know, I've struggled with that and I've asked them to do that repeatedly and how to turn on the zoom and the captioning and all that that has not been successful to this point, but it's still a struggle but plus today. There's another event. And I think it's, let's see, reactive. And programming type stuff. But today they're doing that tonight and I'm really excited about that because I mean, no captioning or anything again there and I'll have to maybe record it in zoom, because I still don't know about the captioning part of that. You know, we're not like Britain, so where you know they do that but I don't know I'm kind of trying to figure it out with zoom and how to record it there and you know like beta or whatever. I'm still working on it and it's okay I mean I'm not really sure how to put it together to make it work. Maybe I'll do it for my phone like you suggested. That's not the most satisfactory option, you know, you know maybe I'll just stay 30 minutes and leave to so. This is Rob so okay if you think about zoom. You could use the web based client use Chrome, and there's a closed caption feature there. I don't know if it'll work or not I don't know. You cranes are hungry is catching up I see okay so I'll have to wait for the technology to catch up all right. Well, sorry to interrupt. Next action item on the agenda is what destiny. I think we're through voting. The agenda voting voting. Oh yeah, you have to vote on a name john saying. And rom saying I wish there was more people here to vote there's just the four of us, maybe in slack and Astasha saying we could vote in slack. This is the sign for slack here and so. So we could put our vote on slack. I guess that's true. That's to be saying. Catherine can we Rob's asking, and when do you need to know an answer by. We don't really need the answer, but it would be cool to get a name. I think Milan knew how to make slack polls I haven't really done that but he did like some tests so it's basically just putting the names. Oh, that's all you need to do, john. Yeah. What's the, what's the topic I'm sorry about post. Name voting on the name. Do a poll. Yeah, we. We can just create that we just. Yeah. Um, we can, we're not going to vote now or we're going to vote later. Is that what we're saying. Yes. So you make a post on slack, Milad, so that everyone can vote. Oh, oh, okay. Okay, so the topic is the animals. The name. Okay. Um, I can do it or, oh, Oh, okay. I did. I'm just, I've been so busy. I didn't, I didn't catch that. So, okay. Yeah, I'm happy to do that. I can, I volunteer. I can do that. Okay, sorry, I didn't want to put that on you. It's just, but john's john just shared how to do that. So if you want to, I can do that too, but. Happy if you do that as well. So if you're too overwhelmed with work, whatever you want. Okay. Okay. And the names are in the agenda. Right. Right. Yes, they're in the agenda. Yeah. I think that's all we had right. So I have a few questions. We, if we have time, just some like signs that I saw today that I don't know. One of them was, I think it was like this. I think you said it was like this. Yeah, what was that time, time. Okay. So time, same. And the other one was a lot of this, or this, I wasn't sure. Oh, that's the name sign for Milan. That's his name sign. Okay. I thought like four times and like, what is this. Okay. I think that was all the ones. And destinies. I have been signing it wrong. Your name's destiny like a D on like Milad and Rob, and then Catherine now as a star. And do you have a name sign. Do you have a name sign. Jonathan. Okay, okay. My brother is deaf and he's older than me. And so I was really young when I was given my science of J fun. Another one was, is, what is, is that G? Is it the same. Oh, seven G is my name sign, as Sasha saying. Because my full name is so many letters. It's my, it's my, it's like my home sign. So it's, there's seven letters. If you take out some of the other letters and, and use my, my nickname at home, but so seven G is just like the abbreviation for my name. So it's false got it from her. Yeah, it's like the letter G. It's just easier to see, is that why on this that we're doing this. It's just the abbreviation for my name. And Hungarian sign, they, they, they used it and in America they in ASL they use G. And anyway, so you can sign it if you want seven G or whatever. It's, it's hard. But my name is just hard so we just abbreviate it. All right, the seven G is fine so yeah. And it's, it's kind of G but not actually an ASL G but it's the closest we can come up to Milan. Rob last time we were talking about clarification issue. Breakout doing breakouts. And what does that even mean? Well, breakout is like when, if you have a big large group, and then within that group you break into smaller groups to discuss certain things. Oh, okay, so it's like separate discussions within the larger group. So are they talking about the same issues, or are they talking about different issues, it could be it could be the same topic or different topics. They just have a smaller group discussion within the larger group. And, oh, I'm clear now. Okay, thank you. Yeah, it's just that that idea. Okay, thanks. Interpreters need to go we have a hard stop. Sorry to let you all know. Yeah, oh, time went so fast. Thank you everyone. Bye bye.