 Good evening, and welcome to the monthly edition of the of the electric commission meeting we meet every second Wednesday of the month right here at 585 pine Street as always Burlingtonians or ratepayers are welcome to come down join the conversation if you got a concerns praise, whatever All of the above come on down join a second Wednesday of the month here at 535 85 pine So good evening everyone will start The first item on the agenda is the agenda. Do we have any changes to the agenda additions anything that we need to No, okay, so we'll skip right past that second would be the minutes of the November 8th meeting and if we don't have any If do we have any substantive changes to the or or things to correct from that? If not, then I would entertain a motion Motion to approve So moved and then looking for a second get a second discussion on the motion hearing none All those in favor of approving the minutes signify by saying aye All those opposed say nay The eyes have it the minutes of November are approved The third item on our agenda is public forum This is a chance for the public to express their concerns and whatever comes to mind to bring before the board And before the department or is there anybody in the public here? I don't see anybody in the audience. Is there anybody online? Okay, we don't have anybody in the public that's a shame But again as I said at the top of the meeting Folks are welcome here again second Wednesday of the month 585 pine come on down join the conversation That being said we'll move on to item number four, which is the commissioner's corner. This is an opportunity for commissioners to Bring up whatever's been on their mind or anything that they've done seen whatever in the last month or so that they'd like to bring up before the commission and before the Anybody I'm sure it's in the GM update, but the passing of the Steam the steam pipe Which was a dramatic and Yeah, so I'm assuming you're gonna talk about that but that was a big accomplishment. I will thank you. Yeah, okay And then I don't know There's the mail I mean I would I don't know if this is appropriate for him or time or whatever But I'm also curious how the politics will change things if at all if we get because we're gonna have a new mayor, right? There's something to discuss number of city council seats that may change. Yeah Some changes coming. I think the biggest thing to know from a utility standpoint is My appointment runs through June I'm a mayoral pointee. It's a year-by-year term For everybody else here there there are utility employee There's not any, you know substantive change that happens for anybody Other than potentially the department heads who can change based on being appointed or not appointed or whatever the process may be So, you know, that's that's kind of from a staffing standpoint in terms of Issues within kind of the process. It's still maybe too early to really understand kind of what the Dynamic might be but I'm certain some of the issues we work on could be a topic of conversation and I wouldn't be surprised if they are Maybe not the prime topic of conversation, but a topic Depending on who wins the mayoral race and then how the city council changes we could have some different priorities Of course. Yeah, as always. Yeah, that's right Obviously a commission remains an important element of shaping the strategy for the department improving the strategic direction and and helping to recommend, you know rate changes recommend budgets, you know Approve certain initiatives and the commission has its own authority to approve certain things within certain time frames So the commission is its own entity has some ability to shape that direction, too Anything else for commissioners corner All right, thank you. We'll move on to Item number five on our agenda and that's the GM update and Thank you, I know the chair is very festive today and we had our Employee fund committee holiday party and pleased that you could join us for that. I was only able to join for five minutes Yes, I missed the I missed that I did I also wanted to know just my schedule standpoint I'm gonna try as best as possible To leave by 640 to make a family engagement But I think our agenda works well within that time frame anyhow So I'll start with district energy. It was it was part of the report We are pleased obviously that that was passed November 20th was a intensive and Well-discussed item. We appreciate that the council advanced it Will be working over the coming months on the energy service agreements that need to be worked out With the customer and the you know district energy non-profit Which is the the step before taking it to the permitting process So there will be some some work. That's less high-profile. That's still important Taking place there in addition the resolution had a number of different action items within it The first of which from a timing standpoint was March 1st. We had to issue an RFI For which have drier and other efficiency measures this team knocked it out of the park the RFI has already been issued It's up on our website. If you go to the become a vendor RFP. It's one of the I think it's the first item underneath that So feel free to check it out There's a clickable document where you can go to read the terms the RFI We are sharing it with vendors that we're aware of in the space might have ideas I've shared it as well with the council and some other folks Please share it in your own networks to the extent that you know of Organizations or vendors who might be able to bring forward an implementable idea at McNeil that would improve efficiency Or if they particularly if they have expertise in wood chip drying, which is not something a lot of people Have expertise in and particularly It seems to be more in Europe than in the US So we welcome your help in sharing that out there Certainly our goal is to take the resolution Seriously, and we're possible to exceed expectations for things and hopefully we've done that at least from a timing standpoint here There's more to come for that and I think the next time that we'll be able to engage on that It's largely going to be in the budget process We have a couple items that we need to include in the budget related to that So you'll see that when we come to it in April and May Also same meeting also an intensive process that came to a conclusion was the carbon fee ordinance that was passed It's going to be implemented starting on January 1st We did have at the very last council meeting. It was very late. So I don't know how many people saw it Councillor Bergman introduced a resolution that was referred to the tube to have another ballot item on town meeting day 2024 We were we raised concerns in that meeting because we haven't engaged in the type of process that we typically engaged in before the last successful ballot item we had a Six and a half month process where we worked with the Stakeholders who would be affected where we went to all of the MPAs and shared ideas and took feedback We held a public meeting where we took feedback and shared ideas. We worked with the building electrification Institute to do Different analyses of different building typologies using real-world data from our energy services team and Modeling what the impact of different options would be from both the capital and an operating cost None of that's happened here Which is why in part we raise concerns in addition the ballot language that was proposed is not only limiting to Extending the current program to new buildings, but actually would open again The questions of which fuels qualify and what the fee should be for new construction and for buildings over 50,000 square feet an issue that we literally just settled on November 20th And that is being implemented January 1st And so I have a concern from a policy stability and planning and practicality standpoint of changing the rules of the road that soon You know without having implementation experience, so we raise those concerns that the Questions been referred to to their meeting their first meeting that that will be discussed this next Tuesday I expect that a number of stakeholders will be engaged in that conversation and we'll see where it goes We did also get approval last city council meeting for a charter change to be placed on the ballot four-town meeting day That's I think relatively non-controversial Which is to increase the credit line from five to ten million that was unanimously approved for to finance unanimously approved at council We'll certainly look forward to having that on the ballot and doing our work to explain that to voters I think it's a Hopefully an item that people will see the merit of but we'll do our work to make sure that the information is out there And then two other items for me one is and this is a little Complex in terms of the process, but we're doing a lot of work at the PUC to try to game out Where our incentives land for next year because we have a new program that's replacing our act 151 funding The good news is through the work of policy and planning and energy services and finance We're going to make sure that there are no changes perceptible to a customer on January 1st The incentives are going to remain steady in all the key programs Behind the scenes there's gonna be a lot of work happening because we're gonna have to ship between different programs to make sure that that can Be the case We're working for a PUC order Hopefully on this question in January based on the schedule that we have that will provide clarity to then reshape the incentives and Add some new programs. Maybe make modifications to existing programs. Usually process. We do January 1st this year It's likely to be more something that gets announced in the kind of late winter early spring So stay tuned for more there We have some work to do to kind of get to the end of that road But for customers, there will be stability come January 1st and then earlier today We had the last meeting of a group that BED has been a voting member of which is the renewable energy standard legislative committee The group voted with relative strong majority to adopt a report that characterized the discussions The report has in its appendix legislation that was put forward but not adopted per se by the group But is it was an attempt by legislative council to capture some of the conversation That legislation itself we wouldn't necessarily be supportive of because it doesn't really capture all the things that we're looking for But I think the issues we're looking for in that conversation are being discussed both in that committee and outside of that committee with a number of different stakeholders, I have some level of optimism that Assuming the process continues to work well that there could be a renewable energy standard bill this year that has broader support And if it does I think it's likely as the committee discussed today to have multiple flavors for different utilities So if you're already a hundred percent you get treated in one respect if you're not you may be treated in a different way If you're an utility that's you know concerned about metering you may have some concerns So there's a lot of different kind of flavors of approach, but overall I think there's a possibility this year of making some headway there and For our purposes our key kind of focus point is If we're gonna ask to procure new renewables We don't want it to take existing resources off the table to do so we want it to be based on growing load So we want to set a baseline where we say after this point Incremental load growth can be served by some percentage of new renewables increasing to a significant level over a period of time Commensurate with our ability to pay if we're having more sales because more people are doing EVs heat pumps We're gonna be looking for more resources and the alignment is there if it's a question of saying Oh, you have an existing renewable, but we want you to replace it with a different renewable at more cost That's a lot less attractive for our customers So that's some of the conversation that we're trying to have and obviously want to make sure that Resources like McNeill remain eligible and we'll be having that conversation as well Because that's literally the definition of what is renewable it's currently renewable in Vermont It's currently renewable in every state other than Massachusetts in the New England region and I I don't expect there's a lot of enthusiasm In the environmental community for new wood electric facilities, but I think there's an understanding In the broader kind of policy community that if we have an existing resource that that's something We want to be able to keep on the table For our customers, so I'm hopeful we'll land in a good place there Yeah, and that's I have questions Just a quick quick one. I'm going back to the RFI. If you just I'm happy to share it out You already shared with Adam Sherman in the Burke I have not okay, please do yes great We have a vendor list that we share and then we're trying to compile ideas for others in this space particularly But if yeah, if you wouldn't mind, please forward it We'd love to have it as widely distributed as possible. Thank you All right, thank you. We'll move on to item number six the October FY 24 financials I don't know if you have the same commitment I do we did last So October financials So we had a favorable Month of October results compared to budget Overall for the month. We had an actual net loss of $380,000 compared to a projected budgeted net loss of just about a million Looking through the major variances. The first one is sales to customers was favorable to budget by $270,000 with both residential and commercial sales higher than budget EU revenues Were $54,000 less than budget and then we had no rec sales in October it not being a wreck rec sale month We do rec sales quarterly August and February now August November. There we go. So not October So then moving down to expense Net power supply expense was favorable by $404,000 overall And that is made up of a few puts and takes Fuel was favorable by just under half a million dollars McNeil was offline the entire month Some of that due to finishing up an outage some of that due to poor economics and so and wanting to build would supply For the winter when we hope prices will improve The GT fuel was over budget. We were called a number of times but the Relative like cost of GT fuel is Not enough to offset the favorable fuel variance from not running McNeil Gas turbine Which is a peaking unit that we dispatch only for economics when called by SNO England for Reliability reasons generally am I so transmission expense within that power supply was unfavorable by $178,000 September was warmer than we budgeted and so peak load was higher and that sets the rate for October Purchase power was favorable to budget by $223,000 we had Lower than budgeted wind production, which is relatively expensive power So that created savings, but with less wind production and less McNeil we had higher than budgeted iso exchange charges Mystic which we budgeted at a flat rate Throughout the year was under budget for October So just as we this is similar story to last month with power supply where we had relatively low energy prices We had under sort of under budget generation That's generally kind of a good thing at the moment in the short term for that month's power supply expenses But in the long term the lesser production means fewer wrecks to sell in future periods So the wreck revenue outlook is negatively affected In operating expense other than power supply a very minuscule variance of over only $23,000 less than budget and Other income was all up only by Why did I say 25,000 I think I'm reading the wrong notes It oh, yeah, and it was all sorry. I got it right. It's looking the wrong line other income and deductions only a $25,000 variance in this month so year-to-date we are at an actual net income of two 2.2 million dollars compared to a budgeted not net loss of a hundred and 18,000 so still doing well for the year-to-date All of the cautions I Communicated last month in terms of the year-end forecast still remain energy forwards are Still still lower than budget We saw some decent pricing earlier this month when McNeil was running But as the weather is warmed up prices have fallen so there's a you can see quite a big difference in Energy prices between you know 19 degrees or 20 degrees Here or in Boston and 33 degrees or 35 degrees even So Any questions on the income statement summary? Just to be super clear year-to-date is the fiscal year, right? Correct. Yes, it's July 1 yep, and then that the The wreck issue that you're flagging for us. That's different than the one we had last year Related right because last year we budgeted you all budgeted to sell More excess energy at a higher price than you were able to still so Related but different yeah the winter energy shortfall was pure true energy true excess energy Different generation right and then the wreck is sort of the renewable credit associated with that generation selling right right and so the revenue shortfall wasn't from Energy not being generated. It was at the price we received for that net excess was much less than We had budgeted because prices were low this issue is If our wind contracts underproduce or McNeil underproduces then we have less of those wind wrecks or McNeil wrecks or Winooski one wrecks or whatever they might be to sell as To do our to the do the arbitrage with right so we sell those high-value wrecks Which come in under power supply revenues on that third line and then we buy Less expensive replacement wrecks that are still fully renewable and fully comply with Vermont's renewable energy standard under tier one but you know if we can Sell a tier a wreck for thirty five dollars and then replace it with a five dollar one Right the rate payer has benefited from that margin Okay, so this issue is having fewer Wrecks from our own generation to sell in future periods. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome All right, I'm moving on to capital spending Overall we've spent about 19% of the yearly capital budget of just under 11 million dollars Spent two million dollars in October year-to-date For that period of three point two million Usual factors here of timing and supply chain and You know kind of adjusting projects based on current needs So we have a very strong cash position for October 31st of eleven point four million dollars the finance team and I have dug into this and It appears just to be coincidental timing of Customer payments and deposits with accounts payable And so I've checked and it looks really amazing But for November 30th, we're kind of back more in the seven eight million dollar range where I expected this number to be here It's it's just yeah Timing pure timing So overall our kind of key metrics for the year-to-date at this point 4.48 for the debt service 1.44 for the adjusted debt service and a hundred and twenty-two days cash on hand We'll keep you on the on the docket here next item up would be The energy assistance program permanent rate approval which will be James And there's gonna be 38 seconds so I'm gonna talk about pop like a radio announcer The request in front of you is to we have a currently I'll start I forget we have new commissioners We have an energy assistance pilot rate which was issued under the pilot rate authority that was granted fairly recently through statute That will expire on February 1st, and that is a 12 and a half percent discount to customers at or below 185% of federal poverty level so That's in place right now If we do not file to make that a permanent tariff it will expire and go away on February 1st Okay, so we are proposing and we thought we had 45 more days than we then we do There's a bit of it's a new thing. No one's used it yet. So it's our first time doing it We really need to file by the end of this week to be safe So this does not have a gap, you know at the very end of January and oddly enough It takes place 45 days from filing not when you ask it to but not sooner than 45 days So we have to time it exactly if we wanted to go out on January 31st, but we can do that The only changes we're making we're not changing the income eligibility requirement. We are not changing the discount We are requesting to convert it to permanent and we are adding a couple of things to the eligibility We are adding a couple of methods of verifying eligibility that all also share the 185% of federal poverty level We are adding the potential for us to opt people into the rate if we become aware of it rather than make them Have to take the action to call us So if we get a list of currently eligible people, we can opt them into the rate They can opt out if they choose to but we would we would have the right to opt them in and Lastly to put an affirmative obligation on customers to let us know if their conditions change for the better and To permit us to not less not more than annually ask for reaffirmation Those were not problems. We had to deal with in a pilot that was only going to go 18 months We weren't too worried about people dropping on and coming back off But now if we convert it to a permanent rate, we have to address those issues So their request is to advance that with a couple of minor amendments and neither to neither to the discount or the eligibility But to the determination of eligibility for final rate approval as a final tariff and I have drafted a resolution that Laurie has open has been circuit and I'd be happy to answer any questions So I have a couple what percentage of the rate payers qualify for the pilot? Honest to God, I don't remember It's a it's a fairly high number and the participation is fairly low. So all of our disguise. I want to say we've got a hundred But it's a fraction of potentially the eligible population but we think with the provision of it having an opt out where we can auto enroll that there may be 700 500 to 700 customers we may be able to get on to the rate in short order. So that could make a pretty dramatic jump Last I recall there were Thousands of customers who couple thousand eligible. So we've got some work to do to kind of reach a higher percentage. So I Guess my concern though, maybe the opposite because of like what happens with the property tax where it's graduated based on income And only a really small percentage pay the whole amount. I think it's like 20. I don't I've heard this I don't know if it's actually true But my understanding it's around 20 25% of the population paid that full amount and 75% get a discount It won't be like it won't be like this. It's more flipped. It's a lot. It's a lot more skewed Yeah, because 185% is it for a household or for an individual or does it not matter the others? I think it's different incomes, right depending on the size of the household two person and I know the hundred percent of The federal poverty is really low It's like 27,000 or something like that for it's very very low This is consistent with the determination that GMP uses yeah VGS uses section 8 Heating assistance. So we use we're rendering ourselves Consistent granted our discount is lower than GMP, but so are underlying rates. I mean it doesn't really matter You know if a 10% discount versus a 12% discount if one person's rates are twice as high It's actually better. So I'm saying you know but but right now we are trying to make sure that we're not out of sync with the other utilities that serve this service territory and That we are offering a discount that we think is sustainable based on and we have done it as an adjustment based on what if Right, so we do know the outer. I don't have it handy in front of me But we do know the other level. Yeah, what if it happened like that? You know, we do have that stuff It's still not a majority of customers. It's not it's not a majority It's not even close to majority I don't think but but the gist of it though is our discussions right now have been around how to Improve awareness and uptake not how to you know control it That's not and we are currently still funding it or have been funding it out of a cash balance left over from So this hasn't impacted operate. Yeah, this hasn't impacted operating yet at all. So again I just don't think we want to have a break in this whether we show I'm not suggesting I just want to make sure we don't have an unintended because I feel like the property tax thing definitely has unintended consequences Well, one of the reasons we started out at 12 and a half was because we knew clawback was going to be difficult Right, so if you start at 20 and then try to go back to 12 and a half you have a major major issue Right. So again, we don't have as strong a discount as I think VGS and GNP have But you can always change this tariff even after it becomes permanent a tariff is subject to normal tariff amendment Fair enough, yeah, I was gonna ask similar question, but actually from the Like that different perspective right then in Yang So I was gonna ask it from a similar position that you were just describing so understanding that I think you just articulated So it's that that is including as I guess Folks who have to have their their services shut off are we making sure like is it include enough people? Does that does that cover people who are having that kind of constraint and Gravity of carrying this as a part of their energy burden and so it sounds like we're expanding to And make sure we can include more people who might we are not expanding again the eligibility criteria But we're expanding how easy it is to get on and how easy it is to find people And that's where all the discussions with with Jen Green Eda and our and our customer care people of Venice Do we think that everyone's aware of this and we don't think they are and you know is there normally I'm not a fan of opt-out type of structures But in the case of a discount based on income eligibility, I feel like it's kind of not the worst thing you could do to somebody So we did go with the chance for with the option to do opt-ins And we also by the way allowed in the language for potential additions to Future eligibility like we if we come up with somebody else that uses the 185 percent We would not need to go back for another tariff change to add that to the list So we put that in the language as well My next question is going to be if you know how Eda was included in that for equity and China, and that's fantastic I'm liking on it, but anyway, okay. Thanks Is there a suggested language yes I When madly clicks you look like you're totally ready Need to make your motion you're ready. I'm just gonna read what you have in there on my head be it I'll move the Burlington Electric Commission authorized the general manager to modify the EAP pilot rate to permit additional income Verification options and to take any required actions to convert the modified EAP pilot rate to a permanent tariff Motion to a second Motion and second discussion on the motion Hearing none all in favor of the motion indicate by saying I All opposed say nay Nice habit motion carries. Thank you. I'd like to thank the Commission On to item number eight Which would be the McNeil 2024 calendar budget? That's Rodney up to that and Good evening. Good evening Ah, so proposing the calendar year 24 Budget so the narrative is The proposed calendar your expense budget is thirty million seven hundred thirty-two thousand six hundred eighty as compared to the current calendar Your budget, which is thirty three million eight seventy eight 365 the decreased majority of it can be explained by the fuel expense budget This current year. We've got a forty dollars per ton average Whereas opposed we're looking at thirty one eighty five to accommodate the current widget market In the capital side of things Just shy of two point eight million as compared to the current calendar year at two million eight hundred forty three thousand five hundred fifty six Difference of forty three thousand eight hundred twenty nine is due to less capital projects in the current fiscal year budget and And Would be more than happy to answer any questions if you guys have any on any of specific line items and for Aspects So this is just for our information not for any action or anything. I do believe it's for It was approved by the McNeil joint owners and then it comes here How come you do a calendar year and the rest of it Fiscal year to accommodate the joint owners as well You do both They have to be This twice a year and then do you have to We report the financials on a calendar and fiscal year basis every meeting So when do you develop a budget then always? I Think because you're doing your fiscal 25 budget now And then you'll do your count to your budget Anyways, okay fair enough Never ending joint full cycle So just did the price of wood just I mean that's that's an incredibly Right, we are starting to see so more favorable obviously a previous discussions We've had with you where we saw some challenges coming out of obviously the pandemic labor shortages. They are starting to see those Semi ease up and we feel a little more comfortable with getting back to some normalcy Yes And is there What the motion is at the end of their memo Except the budget This is FY 24 We're talking about your 24 Okay, I motion that we accept that Callity your budget 24 budget We have a motion on the floor to have a second motion and seconded Discussion of the motion hearing none all those in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye Aye all those not in favor of motion say nay Yeah, I just have it motion passes We're on to number nine the SCADA ADMS system And it's upgrade or yeah, I'll talk to us about that. Yes. Good evening Obviously, my name is linear Cassie. I'm the manager of engineering and utility services And with me is Paul NATO director of engineering So at the last commission meeting in November we discussed the advanced distribution management system the ADMS projects and Inform the commission that At this meeting we will be presenting our vendor selection as well as we will be asking for the commission recommendation of Contract terms for this city council Since then we have selected our vendor surveillance technology is the vendors that's going to be providing our ADMS projects and The memo in your packets describe the business need for the ADMS projects the vendor selection process That we followed the negotiating price seeing and the agreement BD would execute with the selected vendor Surveillance if so authorized obviously by the city council If you have any questions would be happy to answer and if not We we are asking The commission to vote to recommend that the city council approve a resolution Authorizing BED to execute a series of agreement with BED's chosen vendor for the NMS software surveillance technology To purchase and implement the system over the next several fiscal year subject to the inclusion of the plan purchases in BED's approved Budget for each relevant fiscal year and the motion is included in the packet We had four complete complete Did the price they came back with The services are one thing price another is did that feel within what you're hoping it to be Well, they are really different prices You know, obviously, you know, you look at the upfront cost the cost of city The maintenance cost and the life cycle cost over ten years So really which which shows in the our final is based on The ten years cycle costs also based on the expertise that we have in-house With the relevant to the software that we are using She said another way. Are you happy? Yes, the way you want them to perform. Yes, I think we are very happy You know, we had the you know team from BED from all different across departments that we looked at it Everybody is happy with the vendor selection Yes And I also appreciate that you've Added into there that they have to reach certain, you know Benchmarks and stuff that to go along to keep the process going So we're looking at a total of around Yeah, including the annual maintenance fees So everything else is a one-time One-time expense except the M&O the ongoing Yes, yes Clear we're thinking this crosses revenue bond Yes, that's yes So part of it will be funded with the current revenue bond and part of it would likely be funded by a subsequent Tronch of our revenue bond and you know this the phase one which is in this fiscal year is going to start Star would be the SCADA Projects and then phase two and three will be future fiscal year 25 26 time frame That would be the OMS and DMS as we discussed at the last meeting Obviously the final schedule will be finalized, you know once we start meeting with them and going over the You know Q&A and answered their questions Questions I Would encourage all of you to take a moment sometime and go and check out the SCADA room. It's really cool Questions sir, we get to make a motion on this Entertainment It's my excellent great So motion to recommend that the Reading this motion right here as it says to recommend that the city council approve a resolution authorizing the general manager of BD to execute with Surveillance a software license agreement a sales implementation services agreement and a support and maintenance agreement to purchase and receive Associated implementation support and maintenance services for an advanced distribution management system Fixed not to exceed prices subject to review and approval of the city's attorney's office and subject to appropriations for each relevant fiscal year We have a motion on the table. Do we have a second? Motion and seconded discussion on the motion Hearing none All those in favor of the motion indicate by saying aye Hi, hi all those votes keep us saying nay Yeah, I have it motion passed. Thank you gentlemen The last thing I believe our schedule so that General manager can springer can get to his concert is the commissioners check-in any last Thoughts concerns issues one quick one seeing you guys just come up here About the street lighting issue and I think one of the things that we talked about last At the end of last summer was that we would try to be a little more proactive with engagement and let people know that street Lighting was coming so that and so I don't know if you've thought about that made any progress on that identify which Streets and areas would get Updates to their We can or we can talk about in January to if it's more than five minutes You're not at the bike You project well Hear me excuse me so I'm The the street lighting Budget has been Quite a bit of charges have come out of replacing lights that have failed around the city. So Right now, I think we've addressed one maybe two projects that have to go look at the list of Mate mainly around just main thoroughfares. No residential areas. There was one on North Ave Right right around Cambrian rise that was addressed and I think there might have been one other one That's in the process of being done, but it was long a main through affair No residential neighborhoods will be addressed for the rest of the fiscal year And we will address it in fiscal year 25 We can once we start developing the plan for fiscal year 25 will certainly bring it to the Yes, yep, that'll be done and we'll get proactive on it We'll have just like with our capital plans and with our street lighting We'll have city, you know street walks with the areas that are affected so that everybody is well aware of what we're doing and Concerns can be addressed ahead of time rather than Rather than after the fact All right Anything else Then I would like to first wish ever been great holidays and And you know good good family times times with friends. However, you choose to celebrate the holidays the next few weeks And with that I'll take a motion for adjournment Motion on the table for second motion seconded. I'll have a favor say aye I declare us adjourned. Thanks everybody and thanks for the t-shirts