 So people are listening, let's do a roll call. Do you want to start, Marcia? Council Member Martin? Mayor Peck? Council Member Duncan-Griss? Council Member Shamakoye? I am. Council Member Rodriguez will be absent tonight and Council Member Hedon Goldfairing will be here shortly. So we're just going to give updates on boards and commissions and talk about whatever you want to talk about and then after that I want to bring up the Juneteenth because I have some good stories. So I'm just going to open it up to the AISA to report some. Do you want to go, Marcia? Yes. First things only, by the way. Oh, yes. How nice. Okay, genial. So I guess the two things that are going on is that the airport is having an air show. It's not for a while yet, it's in September or October. Enough time for the exact days, even though it's already nailed down, I can tell you that later. But after having to miss quite a few for several different reasons, they really seem to have gotten their act together. They are reaching out to the airspace firms in the area. And here comes Susie. Hi, Susie. Hello. Hello. And a variety of different planes, they're hoping to have an electric training plane although I think that's not confirmed yet, but it could be a lot to see. And the board is working well to contribute with the volunteers without violating any laws. And so I'm really excited that that's going to happen. The first year I was on council, the first full year I was on council, they had an air show. And it was great. You could climb on the airplanes and, you know, mess up your paint job with your gravel in your shoe and stuff like that. But this one should be amazing. And that was 2018, I believe, the last one they had. Yeah, because they really only have them every two or three years anyway for budgetary reasons and volunteer recruitment reasons and all that stuff. So, you know, it'll be a good thing. And I hope we have great news about the airport to energize that event. Nothing, I don't think anything special is going on other than that. You know, everybody's just doing their stuff. Okay. Well, let's see if we can send it. Yes, please. All right, let's see. We're on that asset forfeiture committee with the mayor. We have had nothing so far, but I just want to say there's been some things in the private sector that will come on. Maybe we'll get called up for that in some time. Longmont Economic Development Partnership. It's been an interesting meeting. We talked about the House Bill, 10-13? 10-13. Okay, one about transportation. And they're interested in participating and taking a position on legislative issues. So some discussion about that and I believe the vote was to support it. Then the North I-25 Coalition, that came up also and the vote was to not support it until amendments came through. Some interesting different perspectives. Diane, what were their objections to if they wanted to mend it out? You know, I was afraid somebody was going to ask me that question because there was quite a list. And so I was saying, I'm not going to remember all of this. But the concerns are the time of commute is one of them. So I guess that would go to the speed of the train. I don't know that that can be amended, but maybe a more defined path where stops would be helpful. It's the North I-25 Coalition, so they're also working on the bus staying at the same time, so that comparing, you know, it's the train moving more and it changes to that. So that's basically what they're looking for. There was a short list. I think some of it was kind of detailed. Just curious. And not something that I necessarily was ready to know about that. So they'll be supportive with certain amendments. The visit long while we reviewed our CEO. She got high marks. They're still planning the climbing competition in February. When you think about it in August, that's only six months away. I'm hoping that the microtransit will be very available then and to have maps so that people that attend that can participate in all the businesses within Longmont. See, we meet tomorrow, so we're actually going to meet and then we're having an orientation for new board members because we also took on some staff as consultants with Visit Longmont. Then Mayor and I are on the fire and place pension boards too. It's been interesting about that. We met back in February, but the city contracts with a third party that gives us market information. And one of the things that I keep coming back to is out of all that the Federal Reserve has done to control inflation, in their grasp that they gave us, the only two things that have been affected have been automobiles and fuel. Energy is that one, mostly gasoline in terms of bringing down the price. And so I just keep coming back to it and in discussing with Longmont Economic Development about business situations with supply chain and with some of my clients also. Back in the 70s, when it was persistent inflation, they called it stagflation. It was kind of a funny name, having nothing to do with male deer, but stagflation. Or single man. Stag parties. But what's interesting about that, I guess, is at this time in the year, after April 15th, everybody's kind of reviewing their budget and considering their purchases for the next year and how are they going to manage expenses. And at the same time, and maybe you all have received some constituent concerns about oh, the newest one was a fee that next slide imposed on someone that put their service on hold. And all these little things add up to maybe $100 more per month for a household. So one of the things that the city can do looking back at when there was a period of stagflation, one of the things the city can do is hold the line and not react to the market. Because something that the city and the government can provide where the market is being very very heavy. And there was even some heard recently is that someone did not get their delivery of diet. Pepsi. Is that an odd thing to be sure on supply? And the thing is Did they bring that to you as a council person? It was a business. Oh. Yeah. And they said, you know, we just haven't been able to get our diet. Have you seen some delivery? Get on a diet. Get on a diet. There is some, and we've had this conversation about supply chain. There is some withholding until the price, you know, achieves whatever they feel like they need to make in their budget. Well, there's a way to say they're adjusting their budget or they're, you know, there's been a dear problem in Europe. Yeah, there's costs that the city can cover. And so I'm just saying as the city, we need to always look at let's just stay level, not react to the market. That's one of the things that we're going to do. That's all I'm involved in. So. Well, I, the golf board was cancelled last month and they haven't had the meeting this month. Crab, the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board had their meeting and they're acquiring some land up near Bud Rock. Some logical locations kind of keep that area more controlled by Longmont which is, I think, probably a good thing and it's a good purchase of of land and keeping it for the open space purposes and that's a location that you know, is pretty logical. Then the Longmont Public Media they met last night in short we are working on more of some bylaws and rules we're trying to this board it's got a couple of folks that haven't shown so we're trying to get some more fresh new faces on the board expanded to about seven and then my capacity would be probably more of a non-voting member like the other that many of us serve on it's probably a good thing because they already have a financial board and so we don't need to and particularly when they have a contract with the city I think it's probably wise for us to have a person there but not necessarily somebody who potentially could affect their financial status since then they maybe say well that was the city's heavy influence from the city council members something like that so it's probably wise to not have some voting members so they're trying to get seven members total in the council and then they'll have a Sergio or a Sergio there for to run the meeting or to be the kind of staff that is sort of missing anything on that Marsha? Not run the meeting but be there to kind of be a staff support and then the last one why I left it last is the consortium of cities they had some interesting folks to talk about their how they're dealing with some of the sharps and other things that they're finding and putting on all their county buildings and everything and a couple things that they were doing in regards to they were providing people because you're much more likely apparently to have a very serious overdose from injection then you are from if you smoke things like a crack and other things like that so they're providing actual pipes and ends in case people are sharing that sort of thing everybody's eyes in all these cities are like what their eyes got super big but they said our data and the research that we've done and everything says this is probably safer to give them providing with that than they provided with the needles and everything so that was kind of interesting a box of display things they talked about how did it get some of these supplies for the smaller communities and others and the big issue was around the minimum wage issue and I'll tell you the smaller communities like Erie, Superior Louisville and Lafayette they keep saying they're talking about it but like Superior said we've got potholes to fill and we've had this little problem in our community you know a marshal fire so they were really kind of putting it off and so they're putting it off maybe until the summer I talked to Sandy and she emailed me that we might see some sort of update in July and I think many felt it was the issue with that was that we had got enough data back we knew what we had done here with interviewing some businesses and of course many of the businesses I repeated that many of the businesses you know we want just precious we'll take our business and go elsewhere but as I told them there this is the market the market is long gone they're going to wherever out east I don't think their employees are going to follow I didn't think that their customers would necessarily follow them out that way and if we implemented a minimum wage progressive minimum wage like proposed they're not going to have employees because those employees are going to come this way from places that are not supported minimum wage so their argument for it's going to crush us it's probably not likely to be there what they need to probably stop doing is many of them are taking they're part of what they make and then they're taking some of their employees part too which is in the form of reduced wages so that's where they need to get kind of filled in there when they stop trying to take the employees that should be going to some of the employees that probably interfere in an equitable situation they probably could not have a $20 hamper situation or something like that so I don't think that's necessarily absolutely across the border in all cases but what's the can we have everybody reported and we'll open it up yeah I just had a question on that topic but if Shakita and Suzy so is that the only one that knows the big okay oh cool Suzy did you want to go? I don't want to step over you if you want to you sure? yeah okay I can't last so last night we had transportation and very interesting because we had our team there last night and I can't remember who was the guy who was on the board Eric Davidson? yeah he was talking about they were going to support Sanneville 184 which was funding intercity passenger rail RTD RTD is leading the study for that and also they were opposing House Bill 1447 which is the transit reform bill and they said the structure of the bill was concerning to them he was talking about the long term financial outlook of their programming as far as like the youth is free for RTD right now 75% is dependent on the sales tax right now the expiration right now the exemption for that refinancing these are like short notes that I took so if you don't understand or love it I'm sorry they were saying what's at risk right now is the 40 million they may have to refine through the taper um one or the other if they have a new police chief that's been there that I didn't know RTD had a police chief um so I was meeting the rent of that oh where we at maybe new yeah they have a new one he's only been there maybe for about a year um they have a problem with retention of drivers due to high level of assaults to employees and increase the drug use and criminal activity um and also they need to train officers so they put in a lot of money for the you know for the officers um and also mental health clinicians and the escalating training um for their officers and um so and then also fit now use has increased as well and so um they're not sure about keeping the youth program keeping that free for the youth and I think board member Wicklin asked how much are they paying the employees because like I said the retention rate um they can't keep the employees and they said they're almost $26 an hour um but once they get them through the training they get their CEO license and they're like bye bye yeah so that's the issue right now um and so I asked because they can't even tell us how many youth are actually using the buses they won't keep the data yeah they don't have the data for that um so I asked why don't you for the summertime like get youth involved let them paint the buses have some type of travel program for the youth on the buses um what are they doing as far as um the unhoused that are traveling on the buses because youth are I mean I'm sure that's a deterrent for youth to get on the buses if the you know if it's low uh passenger rate for youth that are not utilizing it so how are you you can't tell us how many youth are using the buses then it doesn't matter this program so um and then they had what's her name started with again she was speaking about um Natalie yes she was speaking about the priority the next priority is having a route going towards the hospital like Costco area and all of that by the Walmart um so but that's priority but they don't have a day so anyway I say what I have to say to them because she just kept referring to everything about boulder boulder boulder and I said oh interesting um in our comp plan we're talking about reducing the carbon footprint and we're talking about electrification and all of that I said if I was a new resident coming into the city of Longmont and I'm looking for a place and and I believe in the comp plan of uh our goal for you know our environmental goal and I want to be somewhere where I can just hop on the bus and if it happens to be out there I can I have to have a car if I'm working at the hospital you know and I live out west of Longmont I have to have a vehicle to get to work and then you're talking about having a car uh an electric car but where the the charging station so you all what have you all been doing and and I said there are no bus routes going up for the high schools either I said you want to talk about boulder I said they all have buses at their high schools we don't have buses at our high schools and then I feel that's what we're doing Michael Tracy I said exactly I said why do we we have to think outside the box to do this and I said you know anyway I said I understand I said we thank you for all you do but I'm still complaining just like we did in the emails too so good um um and um let's see oh sister cities um everything is going on with sister cities everything is on plan on point I guess right now we got our dates for Japan finally um July um 14 through the 26 and so we're supposed to right now we're trying to we don't know how much the tickets are they're probably around 3,000 per person right now and it will be nine of us going to chaperones and seven students um in Arapahoe everybody's practicing doing their thing each supposed to have a dance an American dance that they're going back to uh each location to do their American dance and trying to practice last year in Japan they did footloose and it wasn't that pretty so um if you all know of some um choreographers I told them I'm going to find the one because they're representing the city alone yeah so anyway um that was good I also wanted to say I did not make it to downtown my own mind um district association I mean our authority I mean LDDA because I was at the funeral and um but you know we the whole TL they should be closing on that by the end of the month um everything was working on that um what else am I on I didn't go to the NADA I wasn't able to and that's next Thursday the next meeting and I just wanted to say the live skills was amazing um I did put you and you on there the possible yes um collaborating for next year so they do want to do it again I have a meeting on Friday with the superintendent to see if he's willing to he was very supportive of the life skills fair and so just making sure he still will come you know yes that's why we have been meeting on Friday thank you yes exactly okay okay so um the library was last night so I'll go with that one so most and I noticed that museum and library it was really talking about recruiting people for the board people are getting anxious that we're not going to get enough people to fill these spots so our current chair of the library board is term-limited you know she'll be done maybe next month or last and then June is the new people so they'll be electing a new chair um in June it goes through June through June um and then yep so the yeah June is the final meeting with current board members so um in the director's report and updates we just got a chance to see you know the work that the library's doing I think some of the challenges that they're facing is um and people have been you know they've been getting some people upset items are on hold for a longer period of time because what they've had to do is really cut back on the number of um items that they're able to in their collections they're able to purchase so for digital materials the prices have gone up so they're not able to purchase more digital materials or copies of a certain book or um item and so then when people place it on hold they're having to wait longer for it to come in so that's that's been a a hiccup in what they're trying to you know trying to keep it functional um you know there have been something that the board really wants me to understand and share out with you all is that the trajectory that it's on it's not really sustainable in the fact that they have a lot of part-time employees um or they have people who are doing a lot for a community our size so we're really you know we're staffed as the way we were maybe 20 years ago but the demand and the increase in population is um it's not sustainable so uh last Wednesday I went to that so it was on the 10th the pie, the Padresinguelo Grados and their annual celebration and Lillian from the library was there our outreach coordinator and she was out there and she's working with families and just getting the stuff done but it was one person so really to be able to have a team and so really you know just emphasizing the importance of a sustainable and well-funded library and as a teacher I'm speaking from the heart on that one um so that's you know we discussed that you know a point that they wanted to bring to me was you know we're in desperate need of funding and so that's you know that kind of what they wanted us to to be to have an understanding on um the annual report um we'll be presented to council on April 30th so they'll be coming at that time too to share um more about um going on at the library and um outreach and all that uh on May 17th the library will be closed all day for in all staff training and focusing on uh trauma informed care allyship um dealing with uh and coping with microaggressions that are occurring you know being in front of the library and certain things that you have to deal with in the public you know how how to navigate those situations professionally and also taking care of themselves so that will be happening on the 17th I think is that a Saturday the 17th Friday or Saturday um so there yeah there's a day where people Friday okay that'll be the day that the library is closed all day um and let's see they did revise their form for people to submit if they want to have a book or an item evaluated they did revise the form and actually as I looked at it from this time to last time it seems like it's more user friendly it's it's rather than just people just filling out this whole blanket page of grievances it's more um you know it's just more itemized and so people you know that it will force people to become really clear on what they're trying to get across it's not a matter of opinion it's you know based on these factual pieces that this is what I want this book reviewed so we had a chance to look at that and that was based on what other public libraries are doing and utilizing throughout the state um for the museum the expansion is um going as um as anticipated closing my street they're closing your street so they're working on the inner courtyard it's being graded for drainage and heartscape and their slab has been poured for the new performance pavilion so you know they're doing they're still getting donations in and so that's it's everything seem like it's coming along pretty well um we discussed revenue and attendance so it looks like discovery days attendance from February of 2023 they had 896 participants this time 1132 um auditorium sales have um nearly doubled from last year to this year and gift shop sales have increased by thousand dollars from last year February to this year February so you know they seem to be seem to be doing well you know again they were talking just concerns about getting board members and having those seats filled so and then there was some question on and maybe Don can answer this around current board members is it crossing any kind of line for them to go out and promote people applying so I said no I know but I don't want to I will double check I will confirm but it seems like you know anybody can we say that every time we said that recruitment secretary please for your board members and um I didn't hear it so much at the museum advisory board but at the library there was a lot of concern around the ethics you know just concerns about how that language is going to impact you know their ability to say anything about so I think that's where that question came up like are we allowed to promote applying because I didn't know if it would impact so they saw the language the library yes and so I said no I don't cross any ethical ethical violations just keep recruiting and then I think the RCAP was canceled last month because of spring break like there was a lot of conflict a lot of people couldn't attend so we are meeting at the end of this month and the arts and public places the last time they met we had our Lawmont Housing Authority meeting so I wasn't able to attend but it is this Thursday so I'll fill you all in on that next and youth council they had a debrief of the life skills fair and I think they were working on helping applications and just working with youth on those things you know that group would I attend those meetings it's more like a working group so I'm just kind of sitting on the side and you know I might answer giving them a council update but that's pretty much it use council yeah they do their thing after that something really sexy that you know and this I don't remember who the consulting people are and we're giving an app it's a pilot program for an app to let someone know when the train is coming so they did a demo last night a demonstration so it would let you know where the train is where the train was stopped all you have to do is just look and see where it is in the city and what time it should be over when it's moving so it's pretty cool and so I can't believe I forgot that part but that's like the best part especially after last week so yeah it's a pilot program and I don't know when it will be completed but Becky Doyle is the one who's leading that because you know her partner was the one who created the that whole app in a way that we got awarded for in Alameda with National Liberties but it's great I know so okay I'll go fast we'll open it up for questions so I'm going to hit everybody I was surprised that Natalie said that they were working on buses from east to west I guess they've been asking for LX-1 to be restored for years and she says the same thing to me we're working on it that's what she said last night too about LX-1 she said we're getting it back and it's all about resources well it's supposed to be last September and then it was supposed to be December and then January you know I've worked with Natalie for nine years now well we're supposed to have coffee so all three of us can have coffee yeah somebody else is working on it I love it so we had a meeting this morning with the Executive Committee for FRPR and we are working on what we know is that we need to move really really fast and I think that our manager Andy Karsian with these bills has kind of had a project poked at him in saying you're too slow what are you doing so we talk, we're getting a survey out a poll as to what people want we're working on the ballot language which is going to be a lot of a lot of input because the district has so many different populations in it that it's very important that that ballot language addresses everybody needs but everybody's ability to interpret the language and that's what screws up a lot of ballots is that people just don't understand them so we worked on that, we're also talking about the tax what will the tax for these districts be so the SB 184 which is the big bill which basically tells RTD that you need to finish the Northwest corridor and it also says that once you finish it from Denver to Longmont then FRPR takes it over because of the different pups and money that can be used RTD cannot use federal dollars because they are under transit not federal so FRPR has the dollars but what the bill is going to do that you're saying that they what was that bill in the American 184? No 1447 1447 so I understand why RTD doesn't like that bill it is a bill to re-manage RTD to cut that board down from 15 to 7 people and part of SB 184 says that RTD, CDOT and FRPR have to work together and either come up with an IGA that is three way IGA or come up with a transit authority type of deal the CTIO got through with an amendment I'm sorry the 184 got through with an amendment that said the original way it was written was that there would be a $3 fee on all rental cars and they did like that because those dollars are going to go into CTIO which is a group where it used to be HUTF dollars this is very confusing but they wanted only they wanted all Colorado residents to be out of the rental car fee $3 a day and I don't think that passed because everybody uses our roads but the way the bill was set up was that those dollars were to be used for rail first so there was a lot of pushback on that and they said the projects that are in place should use those dollars first and then it should go to rail so that that's all got to be worked out but as soon as as soon as the governor signs SB 184 and 1447 then Harold and I talked about having a community conversation to explain all of this because it's very confusing and everything I read as a different slant on it so that nobody really understands how the whole thing is going to work but I think it's really exciting and it is going to come whether people like it or not and I just said Harold and Phil a document telling instructions or ideas on how RTD and M-Track and BNSF want the train I call it a depot station has to be done with certain standards according to BNSF so just for fun and this is what we talked about is that that little red train station that is by the transit station we talked about moving that and using it as the train station because it's historical and it's old and it's cute and adding on to it of course but having that be our train station I think about the depot liquor store the one that is on every no it's not on every it's on second first it's on first by the railroad track so here's the cheese importers across the street and it is in that little red train so you'd have to take a little ride yes it's like sandstone no it's just pavement oh like that I don't know so that is to be honest that's what I'm really working on most of the time because the timeline for this has been pushed up to 3 to 5 years instead of 20 so it's like whoa we better get busy instead of building this but again until the governor signs these bills there's nothing in stone it's decided probably in May reminding what the bill is SB 184 that just happens both houses with amendments and 1447 is the one that hasn't really gone to committee yet it is being hashed out and I know that our TV doesn't like it one thing I don't like about that bill is that the governor said that he's going to have two or three at-large directors but the RTD district is huge and our at-large director there's no way they can cover that I think that they should be appointed to a district or to a certain area to represent not everybody yeah it's going to be really hard and the other thing I didn't like is that he wants to cut this board down to size pretty soon we have a lot of historical knowledge there and Eric Davidson is so smart and he's turned that around we're the only RTD transit agency that is not in the red it's taken him four years to give it in black it's like when we bought our house I wanted to do all kinds of fun things but we had to replace the water heater we had to fix some stuff so we put a lot of money into the house but we couldn't see any improvement it was still the old house so that's the way I feel about RTD at this point they've made a lot of changes and they're working hard but just based upon what Nevilley said is why I think it needs to be redeemed totally in support of 1447 so that's about it I'm on the historical preservation committee we had a meeting and I am at this point learning a lot so I sit quietly and thank them for their support because nobody's come to us with a project okay Marcia I have questions it seems like it would be good to discuss minimum wage because the small towns don't have to buy in we can still have a regional district if it's just Lawnmont and Boulder and Boulder County that's good enough the problem is that Boulder County didn't bother to ask certain employees in the last two of our largest employers in the county the Boulder Valley School District or the St. Mary Valley School District what they thought of that and that seems to mean they could learn a mistake on their part not to have done that but I think there's other things that need to be fixed on this it's kind of got some issues if we're going to do it regionally there are certain aspects of it that I think should be part of it but that's just my opinion well Marcia, thank you I I think that first of all the commissioners are going to be the commissioners I have stopped having expectations about the commissioners but Lawnmont can pass a minimum wage and say we're with you Boulder County and we don't need any help to do that although it would be great if the city of Boulder would do the same thing but I looking at it from another way not the logistics of getting it passed but rather the impact on our businesses because pretty much everybody in the chamber hates the idea but when we were in the pandemic we were afraid of failing it turns out that most of the businesses in the chamber have very little clue about business so we helped them during the pandemic we and the chamber and the EDB and all of that the DDA mostly I think I helped them to figure out how to do a PPP loan and stuff like that I talked to successful businesses that are not yet huge and they kind of agreed with me that there are things fairly minor changes in your business like if you are a retail business just making a 10% change in your line of offerings for example if you do it carefully and start selling something profitable with a high margin it can without changing the character of your business increase your margins enough that you only have three employees that are at minimum wage it gives you enough to keep your business the same shape as before but pay that higher wage and it seems to me that if we could find some city funding and collaborate with the chamber and probably some some mover and shaker type businesses the ones that are run by MBAs or people with strong investment heritage or whatever in the city and we could have seminars classes on how to improve your margins either by finding ways to save or by by changing your product line if you're retail I'm not that kind of a business person so I couldn't necessarily come up with 15 examples but that the courses could be developed and offered and then the businesses are at least they will lose their fear and understand they have a support system it's not that different than what sustainability does with small businesses to give them to adopt sustainable practices in their business and they usually end up saving to tell them it's possible so I think that's a good idea but I don't think the city should run it this would be a good thing to bring to LADP and to the chamber because the EDP is for it they don't have a problem mostly the EDP businesses understand that our economy will improve if we raise the minimum wage it's the chamber people have a problem with it well so I talked to Claire Levy we had a coffee she stated that she was way too early and went way too far with the minimum wage and I told Marta I said my problem with it off the bat is our nonprofits and I said I felt really really bad and he said no they're not going to support it and then Lafayette Lewisville they all weren't going to support it so I felt better that okay maybe there's something else there the nonprofits are the ones that I'm concerned about mostly and some of the small businesses because of the family insurance that the governor has or the state does now may have to buy into it to provide something of their own like we do they said their costs have gone up because of that and a lot of the nonprofits are not getting grants or donations for two reasons number one a lot of the wide-offs on federal income tax came from donations and philanthropic type things raised to $15,000 as a standard deduction none of those donations count you have to be a big giver for that to count so they don't bother giving their little donations that would add up to maybe $2,000 and with property taxes going up with this stuff so I believe in the minimum wage I just don't think now's the time right now well I've done a lot of thinking about this too and I think that the issue is that the big corporations will be able to live in they'll be able to live in that and so that's a given the issue is that if that's the only type of business that we want here that's probably not the case so small businesses need to have some sort of support to what Marcia's saying I'm concerned about not having any tools for localized inflation in the process here as an educator I'm a strong believer in some sort of like a certification type of thing where it's tied to it but that's not in the legislation and I think that's something that I would like to see because I think if you have to be a first aid certified and lifeguard trained and everything like that to be a lifeguard you should be paid a little bit more because you're taking on a bigger more deep responsibility if you're a certified bookkeeper or same thing you're taking on a bigger responsibility well she was just well training but those people have to be certified to even get the job it's not like you're going to hire a lifeguard who hasn't gone through and so some of the more low other ones are like for food service folks they have to have a safe serve training and certification and if you are selling with her at a gas station or a grocery store you probably have to be tips trained to know what the new license and stuff like that I think that might be illegal let's run that past Eugene into businesses in Tel Aviv I think that's part of there to sell I think it's part of the license process but then why but then they couldn't hire any my point is I think they do the training I think they do the training just like legislators just not our law it's not our law we would have nothing to do with you I just think that certified uh employees should be paid more and we also have to look for in fact if somebody is a bookkeeper and they're getting paid $25 now the difference is around $9 that they need to be paid better at those locations where people would be like why am I doing this you know I need to be paid at least higher than someone doing minimum wage and that's a deeper role and so that's the only issue I think though if we are going to pursue it it has to be public vote people have to have an idea around it not just us going and saying we're going to go ahead and move forward with this and I think there's some mistakes that kind of commissioners realize that they're going back we're going to try to correct but I think there's and for comments when the first person didn't pass it in Boulder there's really only one member of Boulder council that's really pushing it and so I just don't know if this is where we're at I'm for a minute wait I just don't know I agree I have two I think we're handicapping ourselves by not preparing for it you know whether it's three years or two years or something I still think that and I want to correct something that you said assumed about what I was suggesting I don't think the city should organize a class I think the city should put money in it and mandate it but the mandate having such class make sure that it exists make sure that it's made available like through the chamber but I'm saying that the city the city needs to be the instigator and the pusher but not the administrator and not the brains of the outfit because we don't have that kind of expertise within the city okay just to clarify who are we mandating for the business owners? we're mandating that it exists the business owners don't have to take it but they should realize that if they think they can't ever pay a higher wage the problem is in their business not in us but we're done so I do have one really fast question when LPM and Sergio gave their update this real fast one sentence he said that they want all of the what is it called they want to increase the yeah they want all of that funding really fast what do you really come up with I'm just curious yeah whoops yeah I feel like there's more I think the funding that we give from the franchise fees I think capital is already giving us that direction I think what they're wanting is additional funding which will have to come from the general fund allocation I think there's more to it is that correct Dylan he didn't he did say sounds right to me okay I feel like that word is a deeper discussion okay Joan I do have something to say about that though really quick that I told Sergio something different when he asked my advice about I said you're doing that wrong like what would it take they're not going to have an answer for you setting out some goals some concrete measurable goals and then challenge the council to say if we achieve this goal would we could we get extra funding from the council both to support that goal and to support the next goal so in other words he should be asking for something concrete and measurable instead of just saying please sir may I have some more I think we should have anything about it but I look at it differently this is a business if he is saying we're going to offer more under your contract and then that's going to cost more and then we would have that discussion but just to have more money to increase the other side of their business that's what I'm thinking of so come back with the contract and tell us do we need any more that's a conversation they need to have with operations because you don't know what that contract would involve you can weigh in on this but then on a birdwalk yeah birdwalk that's fine when he asked what would it take to actually respond to that because what I noticed is that the paid people are coming up but they are maybe one percent more than the total so it needs to be a higher percentage of the whole so there's a measurable point and that would provide more funding because they are making more money if they have a large increase in paid membership they don't there's a little concern that and Marcia can speak to this too that they're competing with the Tinker Mill I did have a conversation about LPM with some of my clients and some that aren't even my clients but just businesses and the truth is that small business owners work 60 to 80 hours a week so doing it themselves is very hard for them they really want to be able to pay a student maybe at LPM to do it for them but they like the idea and the pricing is good at LPM for a small business to utilize so my other suggestion for Sergio would be impacts businesses in town that would be very helpful to the city oh that's a good idea I think if what you mean is LPM should have product offerings that it staffs and then business or volunteers because you don't have to be a student to volunteer I don't know I mean too you're all you I don't know but anyway but yeah choose one from column A and one from column B instead of having to do all the creatives yourself and then I'm going to throw up for the small businesses not every business is meant to have a large margin of product for example this is Walmart I know you hate it when I talk about Walmart but their whole business model is built on volume with small margins but Walmart's not a small business either because they're very successful for it with it and another organization that also works on small margins are stockbrokers I know so you're thinking well there's actually a lot of money in small margins because they have both of those examples and that's not that small margins are the be all and end all of the answer increasing part of your margins is one way making a business more viable enough to pay a higher minimum wage the example is MECO coffee versus Z's because MECO has a few really high margin things going on in that store and therefore they're a more resilient business than some of the others so this is five years it takes five years to achieve profitability often it doesn't average there's a good reason for that some businesses are more is this what you wanted a bird want to alright we're done we're done it is this transition I don't have to oh yeah that was the best thing to talk about thank you so Juneteenth I love Juneteenth but here's my concern if you want to make it before this council turns over think about you don't need to answer it now but think about how can we put this in perpetuity kind of like Cinco de Mayo that we continually either funded either out of council contingency or do we try to put it into the budget because it is a very successful event and but they're going to have to come back every year to a different council and if they have a different mindset they may not want to except for that you just clarified the pieces of the sponsorship that you all approved that puts Juneteenth on the list for for the rest of time for those pieces and I can't recall them off top of my head the sponsorship those pieces would follow no matter the cost so the stage you have to do that every year you're on the list the use of Roosevelt Park or any city facility and also the trash so that part so council pays the first year in the sponsorship policy and then we budget for the next year the next year that becomes supported in perpetuity in part unless the council comes back and says we don't want this so they have to make a concerted effort okay I didn't understand that I thought that so you only come to council contingency for things above and beyond the cost because the first year there was nothing I started it from nothing my paycheck you know and so then you all supported last year and then this year yeah thanks thanks for that clarification that was a quick discussion we're out of time we are but I don't see any attorneys alright Harold am I supposed to you're going to join a different team Molly's going to log in right yeah they need to be yeah there are people in the hall we will grab them yeah I'm going to get off of this one