 Do-do-do-do Hello day three in the new studio Who wouldn't want to eat a sandwich made up of two pancakes and a And a patty sausage in the middle with eggs and cheese. Where is that coming from? Oh, I thought you were doing the McDonald's da-da-da-da You didn't know any of the words I said after it No, I heard I just wanted to Actually what I wanted is a sausage egg, you know McDonald's okay, so we you know we McDonald's for as a desperation move And Saturday morning after our move You know we're we didn't really have a lot of breakfast options And the groceries were still at the old place because we had moved faster than we expected So I went to Mac I went to Carl's Jr. Actually originally I got there and they're like oh Breakfast ended 15 minutes ago. All right fine So I'm like well, I'm gonna go to McDonald's they have all-day breakfast now So I go to McDonald's I order a sausage biscuit and bacon egg McMuffin and they gave me two sausage You know a long story for a small It's it's weird because I don't like most of McDonald's menu, but there's something about that sausage egg McMuffin That's the it's the grease and the salt Yeah, it's a fat But you know what I don't like I don't like the Big Mac. There's I just don't like other than the The one is it the quarter pounder where they use non frozen Ground beef or something the rest of it. Just I don't remember which one that is quarter pounder with cheese. Maybe is that right? No, I think quarter pounders also frozen meat, but I don't like the Big Mac I like the quarter pounder with cheese that that was always my favorite growing up It's like why do you have a bun in the middle? Just put a larger to all these patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickled onions on a sesame seed buns Buns. Well, right. See exactly. That's the problem. Yeah, plus it's just like you're adding to your carbs and See, I saw Super Size Me About 10 years ago, and I'm I'm so anti McDonald's after that now I say that sheepishly admitting that I still go to Burger King. I still go to Wendy's But for some reason it really knocked McDonald's out of my head It's for me, it's just as the factor says the quarter pounder is the one with fresh meat Yeah, I like those they're like the only burger I can eat at McDonald's because all of the other ones like within 10 minutes of eating it I get like like not indigestion, but it's just on we regret Yeah, like I just my body literally just tells me you shouldn't have eaten that I feel very gross I don't know how to medically describe it and you just my body just feels like why did you eat that? There's no reason to eat that you could have had anything else the patties the super thin burger patties They they're barely even there like why my bother. I think that's why I always like the quarter pounder Hey, I have a question for you if I have time for it before we go live. Is there a Twitter handle for the show? Yes, daily tech news The character limit on Twitter when you try to I totally understand news Oh, there it is. Hey, yeah, it should pop up the Awesome. Okay. Good Daily tech news All right. Yeah, let's let's start this show in a minute. Shall we? Yes DTNS begins It's not like Superman begins. Oh wait, that was Batman begins Yeah, it's very poppins returns When's would we get Mary Poppins begins? I want Mary Poppins went like angry on someone You see the dark side of Mary Poppins, but he gets quite stern with the children I'm 30 seconds. I'm talking all-out ruler like Mary Poppins as a nun. Oh The flying nun Mary Poppins crossover crossover like predator versus. Yeah Well, come on. She already played a nine. She was Marina nine eight seven six five four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the daily tech news for Wednesday, September 26 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and I'm The show is produced out on the fringes of LA County Roger Chang. Welcome back Roger Chang Sadly for us. Sarah Lane has the day off. She'll be back tomorrow But we are very happy that Richard Gunther host of a home on and co-host of entertainment 2.0 is back How's it going Richard? I am doing well It is going well and I am here in studio in Naples, Maryland. Oh Maryland represent. We don't get Maryland too often. That's awesome Yeah, it's been too long since we had you back on I know CDO was a couple weeks ago But we've we've had some time to digest the news out of there and later on you're gonna tell us a little bit about the Trends regarding custom installation Convergence of the space etc Absolutely at the risk of getting typecast as the smart home guy. Yeah, it could be worse Could be like me the dumb home guy All right, let's start with a few tech things you should know What's up co-founder Brian Acton told Forbes that Facebook's lawyers argued that exploring monetization for WhatsApp didn't Violate an acquisition agreement that said the founders could leave Facebook with all their stock intact if Facebook introduced ads on WhatsApp So Acton lost out on I don't know 850 million or so Acton says during the conversations He had about it. Mark Zuckerberg said this is probably the last time you'll ever talk to me Acton left Facebook in 2017 the other WhatsApp founder Jan Coom left earlier this year and of course a yesterday the Instagram co-founders left So a lot of a lot of Sturman drawing around that going on Nintendo told IGN that it will not delete your saved games immediately on letting your switch online subscription laps Thank goodness Nintendo says if you re-subscribe within six months your saves will still be there You can't access them while you're not subscribed But they'll come back as soon as you renew India's Supreme Court ruled four to one that the country's odd hard database is Constitutional and valid the bench said that the ID program does good things it empowers marginalized members of society They did not find that it violated privacy They found that the defense mechanism against misuse were sufficient However, the court did limit which entities can require the system to be used This doesn't mean which entities could use the system But which entities can say to use our service you have to use your odd higher ID and basically it's just Welfare and income tax filing from the government Anybody else any private entity pretty much according to the court cannot require you to use odd hard Although they could let you if they want to let's talk a little bit more about Oculus Connect going on Facebook announced the Oculus Quest. It's a wireless VR headset shipping this spring for three hundred ninety nine dollars That's the same price as the Oculus Rift, but the Rift tethers you this one does not the quest is the final project Of the prototype you've probably heard referred to before as Santa Cruz It has six degrees of freedom hand motion hand tracking motion detection that Distinguishes it from the Oculus go which only has three degrees of freedom The Oculus Quest has sixteen hundred by fourteen four resolution at per eye 1440 resolution per eye 64 gigabytes of storage built-in speakers It's basically an Oculus go you can stand up and move around with on it also comes with two handheld controllers Very similar to the Rift's touch controllers has an RGB sensor that can stream what's happening outside the visor to you It will not be able to play PC games made for the Rift natively but Mark Zuckerberg said it should have about 50 titles available at launch including robo recall the climb and Moss Oculus product manager Sean Lou announced Oculus go updates to improve the look of the content in the go for you Go users also the ability to let you cast from your Oculus go to mobile devices And eventually TVs and they announced the launch of YouTube VR Supports you can get YouTube on your Oculus go of course the big announcement here is the Oculus quest Richard, how do you feel about this? Untethered is great, right? I don't think anybody just agrees with that No, absolutely. This is one of the big hurdles for these types of devices And I think it's one of the reasons that the lower priced pop your phone in here and play Alternatives have done fairly well if you can get something with the power of Oculus and actually Run that in an untethered fashion. I think that's a big thing and the price point is not so bad either. I've been kind of Disinterested in this space largely because I think that we're not quite there yet in terms of the technology and the pricing and I also have a disadvantage And I think this is something that you struggle with as well where I don't actually have good depth perception So a lot of this stuff is really just lost on me and anything that attempts to simulate a 3d experience Just gives me double vision. So that's kind of terrible. Yeah, I mean that I don't know It doesn't sound like it's quite that bad for me I can I can sense the depth, but it's not as great and I've got an Oculus go and sexy right up there and Enjoy it when I put it on but I never feel compelled to go back and put it on I don't think six degrees of freedom would make a difference to me But if you can afford the extra $200 and you're deciding between the go and the quest I'd absolutely get the quest just because the ability to stand up and move around is In my experience from using the rift and the HTC Vive a much more immersive experience Then just sitting there and being able to turn your head from side to side One of the things that I worry about is that we've seen this technology evolve so much and so quickly Over the past few years. I still worry about investing now if you're just getting into this because it seems like We're not that far from getting a much more lightweight ideal and maybe less Isolating experience for people to enjoy. Yeah, in fact Facebook had their their chief futurist on on stage Talking about how augmented reality and virtual reality are going to merge They are going to continue to converge, but that's not going to happen for several years And and so yeah, if you're an early adopter who likes to play with this stuff go for it Obviously if you want to buy for the long term, you certainly shouldn't have bought the rift or the Vive because they're tethered and now they're not Now and there's an option to convert your Vive I suppose but but for the Oculus you're you're out of luck for the same amount of money You can now get wireless and that wireless is going to get better resolution next and and then it's going to get more of the mixed Reality stuff for augmented reality. So I agree with you. I think that's a that's a very good point Sony says it will allow cross-platform play on fortnight something available on most other platforms Wednesday, sony interactive entertainment president john codara said the first step will be an open beta Beginning today. That's Wednesday for fortnight that will allow for cross-platform gameplay progression and commerce across playstation for android ios nintendo switch xbox one microsoft windows and the mac so I guess we know who has more influence in the world today Epic games or sony because because sony blinked Yeah, this headline could well have just been sony finally shamed into making this open for other platforms Yeah, I I don't Disbelieve sony when they said it was a complex business deal They didn't quite use those words. They tried to obfuscate it more, but they were basically saying look We get to keep all the money When you buy something in the store Through through the playstation So we don't want to lose that if we you know let xbox players come in and play or let you play your sony account on a switch So I don't Want to discount the the complexity of that of trying to preserve that revenue line for them Uh, but obviously it was possible. Uh, and with enough pressure. They have made it work somehow for them Well, it's interesting in that being the top dog You always tend to be a lot more skittish about anything that could potentially whittle away Your uh revenue streams and when you're an up when you're second or third place You got nothing else to lose. So it's like, you know full steam ahead So it's a very interesting case from just a business perspective. You take the whole video game aspect out of it It's like, you know, when you're top you it's very much like you want to be the king of the hill And you got to keep trying to knock back everyone else And that that's the interesting thing here is apparently a sony isn't top dog epic is Because because sony did have to adapt something that I don't think they had any intention of adapting Microsoft will let select testers try keyboard and mouse support for the xbox one in the coming weeks Most mouse and keyboards will work Uh, although they have a special partnership with razor to sell some hardware Some of it will work with chroma lighting effects. So that's kind of nifty Developers will have to turn it on per game This is not something where you can plug in the microsoft or the keyboard and mouse and and just go to town on every game Uh, some developers may choose not to support keyboard and mouse for various reasons Competitive reasons possibly just compatibility reasons whatever but developers that do Want to allow it can now microsoft's going to talk more about its partnership with razor During the inside xbox stream on november 10th if if you're interested in that Hardware line, but you should be able to plug in pretty much any keyboard and mouse once this rolls out Yeah, eventually. I mean, I think it'll be interesting to see just how well this works with other Manufacturers devices one of the challenges that microsoft has with this box is that it doesn't have bluetooth on board, right? So you actually have to physically connect the keyboard or have a keyboard that uses their wireless technology And those are few and far between we have talked about this on entertainment 2.0 when it was Part of the insider ring news and I think this is a great move. I just hope that we get broad Device support for it. Yeah. And by broad you mean beyond just usb, right? Like because that's what people want. They want wireless Yeah, and I don't know how they pull that off yet Yeah It definitely will make a lot of players happy who complain about playing cross platform on xbox with pc gamers who have Very expensive high-end gaming mice and keyboards and constantly get their Tushies handed back to them. Yeah, absolutely. And frankly, that's one of their reasons for Wanting a wired connection so that there is zero chance of latency In that connection with your keyboard and your device. Yeah Uh google announced that chrome 70 will add a switch to its UI You can do this right now if you know how but there's going to be a very obvious place in the settings To turn off that feature that automatically logs you into the chrome browser When you log into gmail or youtube or any other google service google I think is not getting enough credit By the the people who are critical of this and i'm not saying that they don't have a right to be critical I think google wanted to prevent one bad thing and caused another bad thing to happen The bad thing they were trying to prevent is when you share a device and i've run into this working on other people's riggs When i'm podcasting you have to remember to log out of chrome and gmail and youtube You know so making it so you log in once you log out once is very important However, not making it my choice is always a bad move Google will also update chrome sync to make it clear what data is being synced with your account and chrome 70 Will also clear cookies on sign out, which before some of the google cookies stuck around after sign out Again to make it easier when you sign back in but they're going to get rid of that now They're going to say forget it now. We'll clear them all in the name of privacy Yeah, so this is google and google is the king of data, right? So I have a hard time believing they didn't have the telemetry from their users to know How many people are actually using this login to chrome feature? I didn't even start using it until Be the kind of mid this year and once you start using it It's amazing because you have completely separate environments with different favorites and different cookies and You know, they don't cross it all It's like you have have isolated sandboxes and that's a wonderful feature When you're trying to manage different things with one browser even in testing. That's a great thing Yeah, but I I don't think they Realize that people don't want to be forced into doing this if they don't have to And the the downside of this announcement is that chrome 70 will still have this setting on by default And again, my guess is the people listening to this show are not the majority the majority of people Don't even know this exists and probably will benefit it because they're not going to do testing So maybe it should be on by default. I guess I can see an argument for that I prefer to just force me to make a choice And make an informed choice and I'm very glad they're giving me the option to turn it off because I'm like you Richard I I don't want that on but I see I do see why they were Seeing a benefit for an average user there Google maps added collaboration tools now that will let you create a list of places and share with your friends So you can vote on a place to go. So if you're choosing a restaurant, you're choosing a bar, etc Movie theater, maybe even uh group members can veto selections and even add their own So depending on your group of friends, this could be a very useful feature or end up with no decision ever being made Uh, I guess it depends, but this seems to be a very popular feature ad. I've seen a lot of people very excited about this today I think this is great. I love things that allow you to collaborate geospatially that's something that Not a lot of platforms have the ability to support and I remember 10 years ago Using google maps to plan out events activities in places that people could go to for my my uh union my wedding trip, which was a destination wedding And even 10 years ago it was great for that sort of stuff So the ability to then allow that group to coordinate and collaborate over that information. I think that's really cool Yeah, if you do remember the dodgeball service, I think it was a pretty app Absolutely. Yeah. I mean that was what it was premised on was like, hey folks If we all want to meet up at the same place, how do we do that? We've got a web service for you and of course those guys went on to to found a four square and swarm And all of that so uh, it has definitely been something people have been wanting to use the internet for for a long time And uh, interesting feature to add to google maps. Hey folks If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Don't forget to subscribe to daily tech headlines at dailytechheadlines.com If you recall a few years ago, uh, we had richard on and discussed on dts How the high end custom installation smart home and the do it yourself smart home We're starting to show some overlap Today that convergence is more obvious than ever and I remember on that conversation richard We talked about how it in the early days of cnet I did a series that showed smart homes being installed and that was the only option and then when last we talked It was like, hey, but you could now go and buy these systems Not all the systems work with each other But some of them are pretty sophisticated and even some custom features are starting to show up in these systems CDia was a couple weeks ago and we got a lot of announcements in this space. What did we find out? Yeah, so as you indicated cdia is really a An organization that serves the installer market serves that custom high end market But over the years we've seen more and more I I guess I would say infiltration if you will Of diy products and by that I mean for example the ring lock or The nest thermostat or the amazon echo that you can just buy at your local store so part of the reason for that is that those products have an awareness in the public now And you have this situation which is kind of unusual where you had homeowners who are literally spending tens of thousands of dollars for high-end custom systems to be installed in their homes having Envy over their neighbor's $250 nest thermostat, right? Home security systems is one that I recently had to dive back into the market for and I was shocked the simply safes and the rings and and and such So much cheaper than like an ad t or something like that Yeah, absolutely. There are a whole bunch of products out there that allow you to do this stuff yourself or and we're starting to see a little bit of Like a great gray markets the wrong term because that has negative connotations, but a middle ground if you will where customers who have the ability to see these less expensive products and don't need something that's All custom laid out for them or custom designed for them Realize that they can buy the product, but they don't maybe necessarily want to deal with a wiring Or they don't know all the different pieces that they're going to need in their home That wi-fi stuff always confuses me. I just want somebody to do it for me I heard exactly and and so, you know companies even even amazon has a service like this now, but there are companies that are starting to really specialize for that consumer grade Do it for me so that you don't have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars But could instead just spend a little bit of money to get what you want out of this and and get it done steroids, right? right Yeah, yeah, kind of like that. So so, you know, we have that convergence and then the other thing that we have going on which I think is really interesting is this thing where The smaller companies smaller companies is the wrong word, right because I mean, you know, we have We have apple we have amazon amazon. We have google all in smart home now But you have these companies that are catering directly to consumers now Really making a push in that larger space So, you know, you see companies like google and logitech and ring on the show floor now ring You know sure they're they're also a big company, right? but they kind of pioneered the smart doorbell in terms of getting that that major Adoption for it and and consumer awareness So it's interesting to see that sort of integration We're also seeing companies like sonos that have historically really just been a consumer product Come out with new products like the new amp. They announced a couple of weeks ago specifically intended to make life easier for Integrators So that's the one side and then the other side is that these large companies that do this custom install work Like control for like savant have new capabilities That are intended to support some of these products. I saw an amazing remote control from savant that Actually allows you to control your apple tv with siri through their remote I just got the tv os update yesterday And one of the things that tells you and like here's what's new is we now have support for siri use on These high-end custom remotes the exactly the kinds you're talking about in fact. I'm pretty sure savant was listed as an example Yeah, absolutely. They are in that list. So that's a really nice thing to see We also have companies like control for that are just embracing these third-party products they know their customers want them and control four is going even further by leaving consumers with Something of an ift tt t engine. It's not ift tt t But it's it's similar to that where you have the ability to kind of define some workflow So that you don't have to pay for somebody to come out and change when that light bulb comes on because you know What it turns out you don't the lifestyle in your house is a little bit different than it was when they first created your program So you can go and customize that stuff for yourself without having to spend extra money. That's a great thing um The other day we just saw an article in ce pro which is a magazine that caters to the pro space With how there's now a driver available by a third party that allows crestron another high-end proprietary system To work with smart things. So this is a trend. I think we're going to continue to see and I think it's very interesting And and I think that it's ultimately going to make many more products available at both ends of the spectrum So it you know We used to think of custom installation meant I've got enough money To pay somebody to come in and rewire my house and make it all work And and diy was i'm going to go down to the best buy And i'm going to buy some stuff and sit down for the afternoon and figure out how to make it all work And and richard, I think you've done a great job of explaining how those lines are blurring Are we still going to see this ecosystem more? This is what I want to finish on is Okay, and now I've got more options than ever based on my budget I can find a solution and some of it can even involve somebody coming to help me install it and it won't break the bank But how do I pick what? What nation I want to live in in my smart home? Is it is it still? Once i'm in i'm going to be stuck there for a while Yeah, we still have this problem. I guess I would call it where Big companies are kind of trying to carve out their own space here And this is true even with google and amazon and so on and so My advice to anybody that wants to get into this is if you're looking at best buy or amazon or some Retailer and you want to buy some products buy products that say that they work with multiple ecosystems If you have ios devices make sure it works with homekit if you have amazon echoes or google home devices Make sure that it works with those as well And there are many companies that are putting out products Specifically to touch all of those major control areas. Yeah, ios sonos is one of them Where they want to come they want to work with multiple systems Roku even recently announced they're adding google assistant support, which is an interesting play And I didn't really think of it as an interesting play into the smart home market, but it really is Absolutely, it is entertainments becoming a much bigger part of smart home technology particularly as you have stuff like A skill that you can use to say control your dvr or whatever from your cable service Well, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit keep ideas like this coming We love these evergreen topics Even if there is not so much evergreen but but just sort of A chance to step back from the day-to-day press release grind and sort of get some perspective on a space like this Thank you, richard for that Submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show. Let's check in with chris christensen who has some news about trip advisor This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute There's some big changes going on at trip advisor full disclosure I worked there as an employee for a year and a half and as a contractor for another three years Because they are changing the site to be a social network Now they've always had some integrations with facebook But the idea is that you can follow people on trip advisor Probably the best description what they're trying to become is the facebook for travel Where you come home from a trip and post all your pictures and your reviews and such there and get followed by your friends I'm not sure that facebook is not the facebook for travel But i'm in the beta program and we'll see how it works out If anyone can pull that off it seems like it's probably trip advisor who is the most trafficked travel site in the world I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler Yeah, he took the words right out of my mouth. I'm like is it facebook the facebook for travel, but I I do see the the allure for them trip advisor is kind of already doing that A lot of times when I look up things on trip advisor It's just people asking each other questions and talking about their recent trips and and whatnot. So maybe it'll just make that smoother And it's my go-to if I have any travel questions Yeah, as long as they don't make it harder to find the answers then then i'm all for it All right, let's check in with the mailbag. Uh, rohan from boston long time listener of dts wrote in and said after listening to show 3372 and the plethora of amazon echo announcements. I can think of only one word iot It's actually an acronym, but we're not going to be picky with this. I think amazon is With this I think amazon is able to crack the iot market Which google has been unable to do even though google started trying it first rohan. Thanks Moral of the story companies should not try to get into a market announcing the name of the science field like iot ml Airvr company should launch products which use these concepts these words iot ml aivr should be used in internal meetings Not an end user announcements amazon's on the right track and google needs to learn this from them says rohan What do you think you're here here here? No, I think that's dead on I I think though that rohan may be perhaps conflating the information that we get as tech heads and that we hear in announcements at things like i o Versus what they're actually promoting to consumers if you buy a google home, they're not talking about iot and ml and ai but The what you read in the press is and and I think that we But the bottom line is don't use industry jargon When you're talking to consumers the best way to get consumer adoption is to speak to them in language that they understand yeah And while we're bringing up the amazon announcements I was one of the people who looked at the amazon auto and was like why wouldn't I just do all this stuff with my phone? but You've you've explained this to me in an email explain the the appeal of the amazon auto because I think I get it now I really think this device is a game changer. They invite they introduced a whole bunch of stuff but right now if you want some sort of automation or some sort of Assistant in the car You have to use your phone as you were talking about but that isn't always all that convenient and sometimes You don't have the ability to talk to it automatically without having to press a button or maybe even pick up your phone And you don't want to do that So this puts microphones in your vehicle works the way it would at home gives you access to Thousands and thousands of skills to play games to get information for navigation All these things that are harder to just pull up Instantaneously on your phone particularly Particularly if you're not looking at it and then you have that whole home automation tie-in where you can say i'm home And open the garage door or hey lady turn off the lights as you're driving away so I think I really think this is a Trojan horse and a big win to get for $50 A major piece of technology into a car that would otherwise cost a whole lot more if you were getting something installed Yeah, and and I think what I was hung up on is but I shouldn't need this And I don't think this is the kind of product that will last forever It now reminds me of the d-link air that I used to use on my del latitude It's an 802 11b wireless LAN adapter I totally have one of those in my closet. You don't need this product anymore Because wi-fi is built in and an amazon auto is the same thing eventually This won't be a device. You'll need to bridge the gap one hopes But but you have explained why it's it's very helpful right now. So thank you for that And what do you have more of old cars or new cars on the road right now? Yeah, no exactly Specifically my 2002 Prius Hey, thank you, richard for joining us. I really love getting your insight. Let's let's not make it so long until next time All right, that sounds like a good idea if people want to find more about what you got going on. Where should they go? So I write and podcast at the digital media zone. It's the digital media zone dot com And the main show that I typically promote is home on that's my diy smart home show And I am also going to be at the smart kitchen summit next week So I'm going to put in a plug for Mike's kitchen tech show because that is a lot of fun And I am going to be one of the discussion moderators there again this year Don't forget folks if you use code d tns you get a discount if you want to attend that's october 8th The 9th in seattle the smart kitchen summit smart kitchen summit dot com Thanks to everybody who supports us on patreon It's it's so much better to support us directly and we are up over last month right now But we want to see how far up we can get so keep the backing coming at patreon.com slash d tns And don't forget i'll be at a conference this weekend in los angeles september 30th on sunday at 1 p.m I'll be doing a workshop on preparing content for your podcast at outlier cs. 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Imagine detail The pixels the polygons See all right. What should we call this show roger? We have um The epic play on sony The epic play on sony. Yeah, no that works. That's gants. I like it There's also ocular spectacular Oculous is within six degrees of the heaven bacon. Do we have any on on the main topic? Let's see Uh Don't diy dime d. I am me e Do it for me D i f m D i so it's don't diy d. I am e Do it for me Dime d it for me Hmm. It's all the way at the bottom Do what does di me stand for? D i me Do it for me di me don't diy di me Oh Yeah, there actually is an industry initialism for this di fm. Yeah, somebody you somebody used uh that di fm is greater than di y Yeah, that was good do it for me Just build it into the house that I buy Well, and that's a big thing that is going to happen. So today obviously, I don't know if you well Yeah, I think in fact you post did you post on twitter about this time the amazon is getting into houses into No, it wasn't me amazon is investing in a builder and So you know, I mean you just know that those homes are going to come with ring doorbells Mm-hmm. And and he you know cameras that are part of the amazon ecosystem ring alarm system Echoes all over. Yeah. Yeah, I just wanted so when they build these homes. It's easy to replace Those devices right in the same way you can replace a wall switch like yeah, I have to say I'm Having just moved. I am pleased with how easy It is to rip, you know to I pulled the nest out of my old house And it was super simple and I put they had a like really simple honeywell that had been in there when I moved in I put that back on the wall and It was uh It was a lot easier than you would think to do that um on the other hand the nest cameras that I have The home away assist isn't working It keeps turning itself back on while I'm still home And I think There's some kind of gps Location information that's stuck in a cache Where it's saying well your phone is definitely not at home because you don't You know what I mean, right? I haven't I haven't tracked down exactly how to how to clear that so That's interesting. Have have you changed and I know this is This is really giving google a lot of credit for integration I don't know if they've gone this far yet, but have you changed your home location for google yet? Yes, I have. Oh, okay. Yeah. That's a good question though I just want new homes with conduit so I can run cat 5 cat 6 or whatever. Yeah, seriously calling this by the way Oh, uh, uh, I I I like the uh the epic plan sony or the The um Do it for me D if di fm is greater than di y. Yeah, let's let's do the epic play because um Uh, you know di fm greater than di y kind of counts against my whole show. So let's not go there As clever as it may be Like no no don't don't do that We can put a question mark at the end with the application the answer is no No, I've uh, I've taken good advantage of of uh of di y solutions for smart home stuff during this move. Um And man so much stuff is so much easier to set up To you know tear down and reset back up than it used to be Oh, it was a huge huge hassle initially when this stuff came out And that's I think that's one of the things the companies have learned even companies with products already in the market that Now when you try and Set devices like those up. They've tried to streamline that um What would I call that I it kind of a handshake process Or provisioning process because they know that that's so hard for consumers Again for tech ads, it's like, oh, yeah, so what I have to get this number. I have to type it in I have to put my wi-fi. It's like no, you know, and and really You know, this is something that apple got right from the beginning with home kit And whether home kit is successful or not yet It's put pressure on a lot of the other manufacturers and I think that's good no, um I have a uh a honeywell That was in this new house when we moved in that is wi-fi capable I haven't hooked it up though Because I want to pull it out and put my nest on but that the part of me is like, well, maybe I should try it But it's so old Which is yeah Like Something that's wi-fi connected is is old But you know, I looked up the features for it and the features are you can you can set the temperature From an app like okay right, I mean and maybe you can Set your program on it. But yeah, you can do the schedule It's not going to be automatic You won't learn from you like the nest or the echo beer or any of those other cool ones The question becomes is that app stale now? Are they still maintaining it? Is this something that's going to work with other devices hang up? I was like, well, hold on a minute Like who's who's updating this and and how secure I don't want somebody coming in hacking my thermostat Yeah, exactly I should have got a nest. I just got a cheapo honey. Well I I actually got the ecobee Oh, hey amos Hey How are you and did you pop in right after the show ended as promised? This is awesome. I get to see you even though we're not recording tonight like we should be So you guys tell tell the folks how you guys know each other We actually Was out loud Meet up in uh south by southwest there to meet you tom Years ago That's nine years ago now something like that. I don't know Oh nine 10 whatever. Yeah We stayed in touch on twitter for years after that then when I moved to texas. I was like He he chastised me for being so close to south by not going And the next year was like, you know what? I got to go just to just to shut him up And then I've been every year since then we we always hang out when we're when i'm down there That's awesome. And you guys are doing a show together And we do a show together Let's talk about thrones a show where we recap Peers of episodes of game of thrones and uh, Richard's never seen it before so we get his rough takes on what's going on And me and jenny josephson previous producer of this very podcast We've seen it and read most of it and uh, we kind of have the inside line on it and we try to try to keep Try to keep richard up to speed on the things that he missed and he gives us news perspective on things We didn't really consider and it's That's great. I love that. He's being really polite about that. It's it's more like They're trying to be nice about how little i'm actually catching as i'm watching the show Now i know i know jenny's read the books have you Um, i've read uh, i'm on the fourth book So i've read up to the first couple chapters of the fourth book Which means we were we're now passing Passing my book knowledge in the show because we're we recorded through the middle of the fourth season And uh, we have the first about three seasons released. In fact, I was working on that before Before I took a break to watch the show released in the next episode That's cool. So cool. Um, and roger, uh, I I thought I was completely stupid because I was looking on the internet On how to replace my pots cables with cat 5 when I moved in the house only to find a video by friend of the show i as actar Who said Cables and at the at the main base and see if they're already cat 5 I look in there and they're already cat 5 So I've switched over my entire house from pots to cat 5 Yeah, oftentimes It was pretty wired. Oh, no, I was just saying I looked under my house and his house was built 1936 So And no no cat 5. There's actually one cat 5 and it's running along the dirt It snakes around the plumbing and it goes from one end of the house Uh to another end of the house that I don't use for the show. So it's kind of like man What I need is a long extension pole so I can Because this guy over to lived here before drilled little access holes in the floorboards I just need something so I can dip the line and then reach across like, you know, 500 feet Grab it Underneath. Yeah, I um the basement in this house was it was finished by the previous owner who was a subcontractor himself And there were there was no cable down here and there. Well, there's one cable in in the room I'm in now. So I had to get a cable ethernet adapter. Um, I can't work those all bailing Go yeah, I go from the garage where everything centralized down to here through the cable So all my ethernet down here is through that cable line because we don't have cable where cord cutters And then I had to run had to drill into the wall to run an ethernet back to the switch That's the four port switch. It's behind the tv in the living room down here for the xbox the apple tv and The playstation because I try to keep everything's wired as possible even though i'm on a net gear orb system So I've got pretty good wi-fi everywhere. They just need to run like two or three inch A diameter like just conduit through the house when it's brand new so Some new technology that you need to get wired You can just you know Tie it to like the old one and run it through instead of trying to snake it drill holes I'm dealing with that right now because i'm installing the security cameras through the exterior of the house We've got nest cameras inside i'm putting a samsung system outside But I want to have the dvr inside and there's no ports for me to go through For the the vnc cable. So i'm having to drill holes through the the exterior walls to get those and That's why wireless is so popular Yeah, I don't have to drill It's true But you gotta go power to it. So I want to give ebarch The you know, we have the smartest audience in the world award for the moment He just saved me some some research that i've been intending to do And found this in the nest documentation The nest app will automatically set your home's location when you first create an account Sometimes it can be off by a bit and affect home away assist accuracy and timing to fix this issue You can manually set your home's location in the nest app So that's what I just did. I just went in and changed the the the location We'll see if that works. Thank you. All right. That's great. Yeah. No, I know this is this is awesome You just ebarch just saved me a ton of time by finding that I really appreciate it I love when the audience can answer your questions. Yes practically live even and hopefully Maybe somebody else out there was having the same issue or something similar We had we had a non programmable thermostat in the garage for the garage heater because we're you know, I'm in Alaska So you got to keep the garage warm I can send you my garage. It's really The the thermostat that was in the that was in the house was programmables in a honeywell old school programmable one The one in the in the garage was like one of those little real stat like, you know Just kind of turn and hope you're getting somewhere where oh, yeah Wow, where you want it So when I installed the ecobee I took the honeywell and put that one in the garage now I can actually dial in exactly, you know, where it needs to be And uh, the eco eco be with the little sensors throughout the house. It's everything else nice and toasty. So We don't have air conditioning up here. So, you know, just open the window That's the one thing I'm ebarch is is like I hope that helps. He's like I'm still having issues on my end even with the correct address. Hey, man Uh, at least narrows it down. It gets me, you know, I would have spent time finding that and trying that So now I'm already ahead. I appreciate I am kind of disappointed that the nest address for home and the google Knowledge of where your home is aren't the same. I do hope at some point that they Pull those together. Yeah, of course that then it gets into privacy issues, right? Where they're like these days I think people are really cautious about integrating that because they're like, oh But what if people get mad that we did that we have to make sure we do it with permission and all of that So just was its own alphabet company Previously and it's only recently in the past year or so Part of google again. Yeah, right and and that's probably true I've got a lot of consumers who own nest Don't necessarily think of it as a part of google nest necessarily Oh Well, if you want to hear more puns Stay tuned on the live audio stream. That's right folks Uh, we're we're wrapping up the video for now But stick around if you're on discord or listening to good day internet, uh, there's more to come