 So welcome to this session and an allotation jam session adding meaning examples discussion to the UNESCO recommendation on OER with great. Thanks to Alan for joining us very very early where he is It's around 4 a.m. I think so. Thank you very much Alan for joining us. I think this is going to be really interesting session And I will hand over to Alan Okay. Thank you very much. It's really great to be here Hello and welcome. This is Going to be a highly interactive session. So I put a link in the chat more or less everything that I'm going to show is coming from a press book where we have Imported the UNESCO OER recommendation definitely not required that you know any expertise about this but I just wanted to To give everyone a chance to sort of have a hands-on experience this project that I've been trying to get rolling. So First of all, I think thanks again to Kerry for setting things up quite nicely. I Just want to find out like what people's experience is with Web annotation especially with hypothesis. It doesn't matter if you've never done it before It's going to be really easy and I will try to walk through things Very quickly because what I really want to do is Give everyone a chance to do this while we're in the same room together. So For the people in the audience if you can let me know through chat Just if you have any Experience or questions about doing this it doesn't matter you can certainly watch along as I go through and demonstrate But pretty much everything I'm going to do is shared at the URL that I put into the chat and I guess I'll just walk through and start so So yeah, some people have heard about it That's pretty good It's quite interesting in many ways because I remember when When I first started on the web way back in the ancient pre-cambrane era the first mosaic browser browser actually had Annotation features built in there and so the idea that you have a space to record and Share notes on anything on the web has always been compelling, but I'm going to go now get to the action Let me know please by audio or flag Kerry if You have a question or I'm going too fast or I Done something ridiculous because as I share My window here, I will probably lose Site of the chat. So here we go I'm going into this section in the middle of this press book I will sort of give an overview of this but I decided to call this an annotation jam I like the musical references, especially for my friend Chahira, but the idea that People get together and sort of do things in the same space that sort of always appealed to me as as an approach For for teaching Etc. So it seems a lot more fun than listening to me blab as I'm doing right now so Yes, there is this document the niscoe recommendation where we are I am not going to give a history of this etc. But it's many years in the making. It's an official document It's pretty high level, but it's rather important to the work that we do and so when you You know actually look at this document, of course It is it is pretty general because it has to apply to the whole world and so Being clever actually trying to be clever This is a screenshot from it and I've actually annotated itself by you know, we do this very often when we're Teaching especially online. We draw attention to materials or things that we want to get people to think about or maybe we Give instructions to so this is a form of annotation But you know typically with a document, you know, you have the ability to read it That's what we can do with the document But sort of this became a framework for some work that we've been doing the open education global I started trying to imagine like what if you know, you had the ability to actually go into very specific words freezes in this document and share examples like I Not familiar with what policy environments are or what examples are or what if we can ask questions about You know, why does it talk about? What does it mean effective over our practice? It's who does defines what effective is so annotation can serve many purposes But many ways it allows you to sort of Contribute to the document, but you can also interrogate it You can ask questions you can be in discussion and that's what I saw as potential for what we could do with this document I'm not going to get the history of annotation, but it's been around a long time We've done it all along in our academic careers. We make notes in the margins. We highlight There's many forms of annotation that My good colleague and I definitely recommend anything by Ramey Kahlir who's a real scholar on Annotation at its uses he and in Entero Garcia have co-authored a book published last year called annotation and the particular tool that you're going to be exposed to in this thing called hypothesis a house annotation to be happening right in the screen and so It's actually enabled right on this very Screen that we're looking at and I'll get into that in a second, but Right here as I flip that little button in my top right It brings over this toolbar, which is where I'm able to do annotation. So If you're looking at this right now If you have if you've never used hypothesis You can actually sign up and create your account here or look I haven't been in for a while So I can just log in right away and now I am logged in to my hypothesis and so There's a note here and there's a picture and a video of a penguin So these are things that we can do. So in terms of the way you can interact with this on Any web page, but it's enabled here and press books as a feature is You can always hide it and go back to my reading and we'll get into the nuts and bolts and do this But one thing that is very powerful about this being web-based annotation is it helps you so it's a way if you're doing this as a regular basis I've done many classes where I really encourage my students to do this because traditionally You've got like articles that you've printed on a stack of paper You like highlighted them marked them up you notes, but they're all distributed You can't really access them because they're on paper or in books and you have to remember where they are or summarize your notes So but because this is on the web There are ways that the system can sort of track on what one person has done. So This is looking at one particular strange user's account And this has all the annotation activity that this person has ever done Across any document and that's kind of interesting because you can also use tags to organize things. So You can do things like this example and I'm kind of leaping into an advanced feature But this is showing the same person's account But just their entity on annotating this particular document that we're in right now. And so if you click any of these You can come in and see The actual notes that this person has done. So it tracks In a good way the things that you've done in your annotation activity and to me This is like an incredibly useful as an academic as a scholar If you do it on a regular basis, it allows you to sort of have your your notes and your references Organized in a way that you can come back to and find layers. So That's enough blabbing about this. So again I've already kind of covered this. So annotation in this case this site is set up that we can automatically enable it Generally if you're using hypothesis and you've created an account There are several tools you can use that allow you to annotate anything on the web Whether the site owner has enabled it or not. So anything at a public URL including PDFs can be annotated with this method But the key is this button in the top right this little annotation drawer. So And and again, I have seeded this with a few annotations. So again Some people are maybe already you know figuring out that they have an account and they could log in Others of you are probably trying to say wait a minute. I'm creating my account. I'm trying to log in Alan's talking too fast But you can I just want to give a sense about some of the things that you do sort of in an annotation activity so One of them is and if you've already Scored up and down the page you might have seen there's a few annotations already So one thing you can do is look for things that other people have made notes on and if I skip this over This is a key feature. This annotation is in a public space So we're ability to do group annotation on this same document So I already set up a button and I said, are you ready to annotate? So one thing that you can do is okay. There's this existing annotation. I sort of set up a greeting And I can reply to it and I can say like I am ready to go But Alan is going way too fast and well, hopefully You might add Something more relevant. I'm encouraging you not certainly not requirement But if everybody tags things done in their workshop we are 22 Um, you can actually see all those annotations grouped together And so this is basically this is like commenting on a website. This is like replying in social media. So We can actually have discussion about something In this UNESCO OER recommendation right in the page The other one is thinking about and what I love about um Rami and Antonio's Anteira's book on annotation is they they give a lot of examples of things that are annotation In everyday life like a family recipe like often we have these cards I have recipes that my mother or my grandmother gave me But I put notes in them sometimes because I say like well, you know Mommy didn't use enough garlic or I think this needs, you know baking powder instead of baking soda So that's an everyday annotation activity and even Rami argues that meme images putting text on an image is an act of annotation. So You can Look at something and if the words speak to you I could say like I could highlight this And this is when you see a phrase that you want to add a new annotation to I'm gonna bring this up I'm gonna click annotate and we'll say I have many of these recipes Where I have added notes if I was more clever, I might have had a link To maybe a flicker photo of mine you can You can do some basic formatting of your I can make this italic obviously And you can add a link to this any URLs you put in here For those interested in science and math it does include latex. So for people who are teaching Math Concepts you can give Like examples or things that you want your students to do in latex I can barely speak English much less latex So I can't give an example and you can start images if you know where their link is but For right now, I'm just going to Add an annotation here and you can see that I've added something new That's in in yellow right now. So this exists Another interesting piece about this activity every one of these I'll go back to this one and I hope everybody's okay. I'm not really can't really see what's going on in the other window. How are we doing carry? anybody See I can just talk one of them blab forever so hopefully Everybody's doing okay and not too lost as I am quickly talking because Okay, you know, sometimes you feel like you're talking to avoid and you know, I'm I could be great at blabbing But yeah, so thank you a key feature to this is that every annotation that exists in this document You can click this And it has a link so Everything that you do as an annotation activity is referenceable at a url. So you can copy that You can put together a series of links. You can send out an invitation To people to annotate. So if you said if you wanted to like I could Bring this one up and I could copy that link and I could go over discord and say like Alan's doing this crazy bleep and annotation and we're all annotating on this thing et cetera You may not see updates in real time. I think you might have to Yeah, so, um, yeah, there we go Hey, so thank you my friends for for joining in the annotation into the activity so Um, so you can say it's almost like um, like a living discussion board around this document So I may just I'm gonna stop and I'm gonna come back here and uh, just come in and make sure Uh, people are people alive. Okay. Found your hypothesis password. Okay. Thank you, Sarah There's importance to add penny gifts and like I'm I'm really pleased that they thought of Adding animated gifts as a thing that people would want to annotate with it certainly can spice things up So I'm seeing uh, yeah, Leo's describing it as Bringing discussion to a thing. Um, one of the things is like thinking about it And I've had the great fortune to do a lot of sessions and conversations with rainy. He's such a great um Explainer of this in a way that makes sense. And so My way of thinking about it is like the thing that you may want to put in an annotation It's like a post-it note. It's pretty small. It's not like writing a treatise And it can be as simple as adding a link or a comment Um, and you can certainly uh go farther if you want to so now I'm going to get into This thing that we're doing with this oer recommendation so I've been working for about a year and a half with open education global and The 2021 conference That we held was online in september and it was all themed around the implementation of The unesco oer recommendation, which of course is this broad statement about what open educational resources Should it can do and what member states should do to encourage it and it defines these five action areas Let's see quiz me if I remember them building capacity developing supportive policy policy there is creating accessible and equitable oer There's sustainable oer and there's international cooperation and again these are really quite Broad and each one of these recommendations has several sub items and so The oe global conference Had presentations leo was there chahira was there I believe Where all the presentations and discussions were built around discussions of examples of things or things that would be needed to make the recommendation come to life to be implemented and so one of the ideas that we had because The upcoming oe global conference in person and not in next month Also is built around the oer recommendation is We had the idea or I had the idea that we could use this annotation to do things during the conference in between to Ask presenters or people participating in the conference To take things that they heard in sessions Or came across as references or things from their own work and attach it to this document And sort of fill it with things that sort of have those ability to add meaning To particular phrases and words in this so I've been trying over the last couple months We've run a bunch of asynchronous activities. I call them three days of focus where we've done Asked like a call to action to have people annotate the building capacity Action area and so we've been trying just to keep kind of a pulse on this activity and doing things Like presenting at conferences To show this so an interesting thing and you know people have some experience using A hypothesis and and we'll get into actually what we're doing with the recommendation first But um, my colleague Grammy, I've mentioned a lot had developed with a colleague at University of Colorado Denver, um, Francisco Perez. They developed a thing called I figure what the acronym stands for crowd layers, but it's a way of creating a visualization about The annotation activity on one specific document. So if you're doing something in Having your students doing annotation or if you're working on a project where it's part of it This is a way to sort of see activity of it in sort of a visual way. And so I think it's pretty interesting and so They actually created Something that combines Several of the annotations that are part of this project So you have the ability to see here The annotation across and you can see that there's Ones that have happened relatively recently Across several pages within this document So you can see the annotation. It also gives you a sense about who's participating So me, I'm kind of a loudmouth with the annotation. I've done a lot But if you're teaching with us, this is a way Not necessarily to check up on your students, but sort of being able to visualize what the activity is We have organized the different versions of the oar recommendation into different language versions So in this way, we can see the annotation activity on separate documents And so I just think this is a really fascinating tool that I want people to know about That's available. So if you are doing anything With annotation You actually put in Where annotation activity is happening and it'll generate a link that brings up this data for one particular annotation document So incredibly powerful free to use. So if anything with annotation, I definitely recommend the crowd layers I heard something dingle Anyhow So again What I'm trying to call attention to I had fun making a remix encouraging people with the remix of The old war posters in the u.s. This was originally rosy the riveter I rebranded her as rosa the annotator and so a call to action the people To do some annotation. And so I've been kind of pumping this For the last couple months And so what I'm doing that we can do maybe in this session is Get some of you coming in and doing some Annotation around one of the particular actionaries, but actually, I don't care where you annotate. You're welcome to do it anywhere in this this document and is to Sort of think about some of the wording and some of the things in the inclusive and equitable OER actionary because you can have questions like what does it mean to be inclusive and equitable with OER? And how do you know it is and what are the examples of it? So I'm going to jump into this With I have a direct link that will take us there But again, just to remind you There's different ways you can go about approaching You can look for annotations that exist there and add on to them. That's definitely highly valuable If you from your own work if you say like well, I'm doing this great project or I'm working on this paper Or I've read these three research papers That I know are probably relevant To this action area So if you have something you know that you think should be attached to This recommendation That's the other way you can do it and the other way is like you just read the thing and you start to look at it to take about What draws your attention? So the link I gave brings you right to this action area of the UNESCO OER recommendation and so There are already links here. So, you know, it talks about, you know, the things that we're talking about in terms of Ways we want to address Equity and so across so you can actually if you want to go in and sort of If you know of something or have a question or want to comment about Something that maybe about we have a lot of things going on in this conference about Indigenous ways of learning so you can add A new note here to talk about the different places or ways that we want to think about people who need Access to equitable OER and so this is quite a detailed statement. And so you can look at a very specific word Obviously with things going on In the Ukraine right now, there's a lot of things going on with important activities on refugee education Displaced persons a lot broader and so you can zero in on the general but We also may want to talk about things under very specific These sub items within so obviously there's a lot of emphasis important with going on about access to OER so Anything that might be an example that talks about learners who The way OER is meeting learners who Don't have the the financial access to and so many of the work that we're doing and talking about here can going in One of my interesting things that I'm really interested are some of the technology platforms that allow people Places of no internet or very weak internet to be able to use OER and use OE live OER resources and I'm sure there's a lot of things People at this conference can contribute to that We can think about next one OER examples of things that address Gender-sensitive OER and culturally sensitive OER is so and obviously Linguistically relevant OER Which again this person named Alan probably added in here some time ago, so the thing with looking at This document is it's to me it works better if you really focus in That's something very specific like a word or a phrase But there's no rules for that so sometimes people want to you know highlight this whole chunk And talk about now. I know some work going on with evidence-based standards and some research going on so When you look at You know document you can see like well, there's been some activity and it gets darker if there's more notes on something So you get a sense about Things that have gotten attention and things that haven't got attention. So that's another sort of approach For thinking about jumping into this document But my whole position is and I will Come A fantastic way to come about and sort of like share our work in one space and actually attach it specifically To this document, so I'm coming back Yeah, and so I want to think about Gabby course brings it's definitely not like A forum activity where basically The key thing to me is it's it's the context of the content you're talking about So it makes a lot of sense to have discussions You know if you're having you know, if you're having a discussion or even commenting on a web post You have to talk about Something that's very specific in a general sense and to be able to attach Information to the thing you're talking about is really important and powerful and so It's hypothesis gdpr compliant. I not an expert, but I certainly can think about Maybe some people here would have an answer to sarah's question I would Well, I can't hesitate what I could speak for the company because I'm not really with the company Yeah, just like to see the comments Coming on to the here But the main thing is that what We want to come back to oh here. I've been terrible terrible teacher here. Antonio has had his hand up for a while Can I help you Antonio? You are enough. Thank you. Alan. I found my way now Thank you. Sorry. It's a legacy hand. I found my okay my way through I just money annotation Yeah, that's good It's it's really not that difficult and that's that's the great thing is that once you've done This annotation and once you've been able to show someone how to do it They're able to Pretty easily it doesn't you know, it's on a steep learning curve The um a little bit of like, you know, when you're actually doing the editing you can actually see what's being generated as a markdown But you can you can see it as a preview um a bunch of the media Alan, so if you put a link into youtube it embeds automatically. Yes No, just thinking that my question before sorry. I'm gonna give my camera my question before was about um how to Annotate from scratch A page because I went I went a bit too far. I was busy doing something else. I'm at home And I went too far. I went too far and I went to the declaration itself And I clicked on an extension in chrome, but nothing happened. Yeah, then I realized that there was a link That took me to the stove and now I am annotating it But how can I can people just go and create annotations by clicking on the Annotation extension on the right when he says it's active, you know annotation is active. Can you start from there somehow or no? Oh, yes, and so if you actually went to the original unesco document and um Let's see. I should actually do a demo and I can show you how it would work so I went to screen share and uh, you know I always like it when someone asks for something that you hadn't planned to do because That's what we should be prepared to do. So I'm going to come uh back To and avoid the inception here. Um, I'm going to find my link to the uh full, uh, unesco recommendation and uh And so uh, this is a big document and so we actually had explored looking at annotating the unesco document itself, but The way they have it set up. It actually has the five languages built into one and you can see Mine is not even there. It's finally coming up. So, um So in this case, um, we don't have hypothesis available. So Yeah, go to the hypothesis site. There's a couple ways you can Create annotation. So if if you have yeah if you have The browser extension so I can just click this And I can bring this up And I can annotate here And so I can bring this up I don't think there's any there's no no one who's annotated this document. Um, so what we have done is we imported This into press books Because it it actually just makes it a little bit easier to separate them into chapters. So we have the French version as a separate chapter here and also that hypothesis is always enabled within Within this press books version And you can say well, they might be a problem because if people go to annotate unesco one, you know The annotations aren't synchronized There are ways you can synchronize things across document. It gets into some really hairy technical stuff But the last thing I want to let you know is the other way you can do this because You know, I've done this with students sometimes You have to get them to install a browser extension And then you have to like get them to know how to use the browser extension. There's there's a bunch of steps there so there there is a service from hypothesis That allows you this to create a link that you can Now I think it's it's via dot So here's the perils of alms like demos So more or less if you have a web page that you want your Your particular student so I could come in and I could say like I want people to annotate the help page For the oer conference and so I can come over to hypothesis here and I can create I can put in a url and It creates a link So it creates this kind of funky link That you could share with your students or your colleagues or people you're doing a project with to say like This is where we're annotating and so it saves people the hassle of having to deal with the browser extension And so this is a sort of a it's a funny looking link because it has this url in front of it and then the url for the document that you're annotating but I did this quite a lot when I was teaching For examples where I wanted my students to annotate one particular document Antonio has his hand raised Pretty topical. Yeah, you want the link to it? Yeah, it's okay I'm just multitasking with the screen. Sorry. Yeah Anyway, I've managed Yeah, I shared a recommendation if anybody wants to put it on it that's that's quite excellent and You see it's very easy to share the link Mainly I'm just hoping like, you know As I'm like looking through the conference sessions going on here and I had a couple, you know, there's many works, you know Catherine Cronin's Talk yesterday on the just knowledge project definitely applies this area There's definitely lots of gogn research going on that are looking at issues of equity and inclusion in in this and so What I've been kind of hoping is that the people at this conference and I'm encouraging this as an activity during our conference in Nantes Which are we global putting on I'm going to be remote because I can't travel right now But we're sort of want to create Ways for people to participate and some of the ways you can do that is through this adaptation activity So you can be looking at a presentation. You can watch one that might be stream You can see a reference that someone makes and we could sort of use it almost as a like a conference, you know note taking activity But you know, mainly it's the idea that To me in this recommendation are a lot of like Examples of things that we should be doing or that we are doing and if we had a lot of Gathered activity like putting examples of what implementation of some of these recommendation activities look like That it would make the document that much better because then it's not just this high level document. It's sort of a living document that has examples and so I've been trying to get People gauge with this It's been a little bit uphill trying to get attention on doing this and Yeah, you have to be engaged enough of this to say like hey, I'm gonna remember to go annotate when I see things but You know as I'm going through what's that people are sharing In my email or in social media It jumps out to me says like wow, this is something that really should be attached to the OER recommendation But you know the the bigger outcome, you know, and I see it in the comments here is that People see what I'm trying to do with annotation and they can be also thinking like These are some of the ways that I could think of using it in my projects or the classes that that I'm teaching and so to me the idea that You can actually participate as a group and Add information or meaning to any public web address is incredibly useful. It's like so many got so many possibilities So That's my studio. I hope again People might have some interest in participating or getting some activity around this I've Bothering all my friends and colleagues. This is The main press book where we have all this annotation activity going on There's a little bit of explanation and kind of a recap of some of the how-to's but the main part is That the recommendation is there in the five languages although I still have some work to do with the arabic Um Because of some of the way the documents formatted and we're trying to get that in action But we want people to be able to annotate if they want in the in french or spanish or chinese into the orio recommendation of their That is most appealing to them so With that that's kind of I maybe have blabbed a bit too long, but I wanted to give a chance To share what we're trying to do To maybe encourage Some of your folks to get out there and annotate as well So I will Give some pause here And check the chats and things Yeah, um alan can I say something? Please Yeah, no, I manage now To get annotate uh annotating Random web pages not just the web page of The oya press book book Etc. Yeah, and uh, yeah, it's interesting to see that the original official document of The declaration doesn't have any actual annotations itself Is no you know what I mean that nobody has gone to the original source to annotate Do you think we should be making the original one in instead of this one? Yeah, um, it really doesn't matter like Sometimes people get like they want to make sure it's like pure and it's got all the same annotations It can get messy and so one of the things is like Wherever we're annotating it could pile up and um, it could be um, uh, uh, like it could be oh my god, there's like a thousand annotations It's almost unreadable and I've heard from some teachers. That's what happens in the document Oh, you can actually create another kind you know version of it and start over again So I don't think it matters as much Um, you know the fact that no one has annotated it says to me well like no one has really thought about it I don't know But the reason and I did think about trying to annotate the original version because that seemed more proper It's nesco's document But because of the way it's structured, it's a large cumbersome. It takes a long time to load And if you're annotating in the Spanish section, you're actually 10 pages down from the other one So it gets to be it was kind of unwieldy and it wasn't as easy to navigate and the curve to me From some other projects that having it in press books And we could have done this on a wordpress site There's lots of ways to set this up But the fact that you can enable annotation to be available when anyone goes to the document Seem to make sense Antonio, I don't you know as long as people annotate would make sense You know, you know, and you know, and you know, it is certainly fitting that it happens at unesco And we we've we've let them know we're doing this Um, and actually if anybody has any connections, I've been trying to let them know a long time that on their Main page for the recommendation the link for chinese goes to arabic and link for arabic goes to chinese and I don't have any context And so That's something that that probably needs to be fixed Yeah Sorry, I did not raise my hand, but i'm just gonna talk alan you mean contacts at at unesco Yeah And we can't fix that Okay It's been a long long time when when I was working for the un but um Yeah, I think I think there were a few contacts remained and uh It's definitely two different languages and it was very I was very emotional to see the the arabic page I'm saying that the report is In development. Um, and I hope that will be soon available Well, there was there was um, we did a lot of effort and there was something that made it Not even feasible to copy and paste from the pdf um I did some digging and I could see in the unesco version There was somewhere um a word document that it was based upon but um, I don't know how to find that that document so Um, and so I just haven't um, you know, we've got to get back to reaching out to some contacts We have a few who might be able to help us out to um to to Translate that because you have to copy it into the the press books interface and I definitely do want to Change or mess up the understanding of it in arabic especially because My only ability to sort of see what i'm doing is to run it through google translate, which is not suitable um But yeah, because the document's structured. It's pretty easy to you know pull one item from a list You know put it into press books go and that's that's how we had to do some of the other ones Yeah, please do let me know. Yeah, if um, I'll reach out if okay I will definitely call I have a chance to catch up Yeah, I have a another question. We talked about the messiness that can be reached through so many annotations Do you think that and this is something that um The teachers we um advise you, you know go through an experiment with a social annotation Do you think that there is a way to um moderate the messiness or um allow for as many annotations as as as possible, but then also and Maybe prepare the teachers to say at a certain point. You got to be You know coming back to to the As if it were a conversation, right and try to moderate that So we go away from this overwhelming feeling. There's so much going on to there is much going on But it's useful and and in kind of trying to to facilitate that or do you think that the nature itself of annotation should not be moderated because I'm the messiness is tricky, right? Yeah well Because of the way the platform there's actually no way that you can sort of I mean there might be some some ways or with some other platforms But you know it's an open platform. So you don't have the ability really to moderate what is done I mean, there is sort of you know, if something's inappropriate you can flag it and and report it Which is an issue. I wish I had the problem where I had too much annotation. I haven't really run into that yet and so You know me personally the way I teach I don't think it's a problem And if you have that much activity going on You know, I I have had some conversations with with ramy about this and so, you know, one of the things you can do is like You know, think of it as just a raw conversation And so one thing you do if the annotation gets messy you want people to synthesize it somehow and sort of like, you know You know extract the meaning from All this kind of messy conversation and it's you know, it's same thing with discussion forums like they can get messy too So you can lose the thread and and what what the focus is So I don't think it's you know, a real Super problem And there are ways what and I mentioned what we're doing is Is public meaning that anybody can annotate you can set up private groups Which means that when you come into Into the annotation screen you can toggle from doing public annotation and you can create A private group. Yes, Sarah So if you just want it for a course You can so have your students say make sure all your annotations are within, you know, the You know, eng 532 course group And for people, you know Hypothesis does offer services Where you can have Your your learning management system or your vle Connect with hypothesis where that is done automatically and so it's a little bit of a different approach, but Certainly some of the learning management systems Can be arranged. So if you're in a course and you have an assignment exercise, it's automatically within group There's some other issues that happen with that but that can sort of ease Some of the issue. Yeah. Yeah, the modal plugin that those things always come with a cost when you don't do the Annotation So, um, yeah, I've tried I've done some with a group Because sometimes people don't Have public annotation or if you're doing A specific class discussion, maybe you want to you know limit the participation I think that's certainly a way to go and it's just a habit that you get into if you're doing An annotation assignment have to say make sure you you know your annotations are in the group And that can that can help, you know You know, you could have an activity where you put people maybe create like five working groups and you have students working in the groups and they do their annotations within The the groups to do their their activity So it kind of depends more about the nature of the activity that you're That you're trying to do but there's really not the ability like like when you moderate comments or things like that to be in control of the document to approve or to delete things And so yeah, that that can be a downside Thank you Great to see you. Thank you. No, Alan. I was um, I was thinking that um, this is great Um, the fact that you can have the private groups and the fact that you can Create a group every year because obviously the annotations will be only visible to that private good So private groups so if I have an article that my students have to read We have this problem in arts and humanities that students read less And they dedicate less time to reading as well and Reading is seen as boring and we have academic articles We have a literary text that they can read and usually they are online so increasing the the social aspect An interaction and the you know, learning from others When it comes to facing these articles is is important So effectively what I could do is to create A group every year Because otherwise a private group because otherwise the annotations of previous years would be Getting messier messier and everybody would be We which doesn't mean that at some point I cannot make public the annotations of previous years This is what is interesting or for the sake of comparison so now the there is a There is a cost associated to to that of course if you want to have your Students to engage Not necessarily through having Moodle groups, you know, I'm thinking about one of my classes in which I have 25 students, you know, I would go there and create five groups Um That would have a cost wouldn't it The cost in terms of financial just cost of like overhead of your Way to management No, no, no cost meaning that That the account is free if I am doing things like this with you now But that obviously there is a paid version. Yeah That's only for integrating with your your vle or your lms There is no cost and hypothesis to create as many private groups as you need for your courses Um, it's more a matter of, you know, having your students understand That, you know, they need to be Selecting their group first before they do their annotation. Yeah You know, I know people will mess up and they Yeah, I agree with what leo was saying about paying good people for doing good things so The sustainability of the tool relies obviously on the on the plugins and other Things that are being Produced Yeah Yeah, and that's good. I'm not familiar with elevator and again, this is certainly not the only annotation Uh platform out there and so it's it's you know, great to see. I mean, there's you know You can think about some of the tools that allow you to, you know, put comments as you're watching a youtube video or Some clouds ability to put comments Right in the moment of a of a soundtrack and there's a form of annotation and Annotating images is is an incredibly useful tool in many places. So But yeah, hypothesis has a lot going for it Because of their commitment When you for those who care If you're doing public annotation By default any annotation is licensed with a cc0 License there's a long convoluted reason I think about it, but I don't really think about like who's going to reuse my annotation Without my permission, but it's interesting that they've included that As part of their platform Interesting. Thank you So, um, I hope you have a conference Tell other people and Tones to fill up that document with yellow notes. Please Thank you, Alan perfectly on time as well. What a fantastic session So wonderful as well to have so many of you joining in and really getting stuck in it's been great to Great to observe and I've got yet another thing I can go and play with now I'm learning lots of new tools to go and play with so a huge. Thank you to Alan for getting up So unbelievably early to present and being so awake and engaged in his session despite the early morning I'll stop the recording now And I think we have a lunch break now So I think we start again. Let me just check at Yeah, one o'clock. So hopefully see you all again then. Thank you once again, Alan and I'll give you a A sort of online clap. So thank you very much