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I believe it was like right before galaxy s20 Yeah, so good to have you on the new show and for those who folks who don't know you Tell us tell us a little about yourself. What do you do? What? Why are you relevant to the world of Android sir? I? Have been following Android for years. I was always like the Samson guy still am to some extent and I work in nine to five Google long form right there doing like reviews editorial stuff and then also a um A junior analyst that creative strategies, so we work with a bunch of big tech companies doing analyst work If that's big, it's back. I don't know. I mean that analyst work is important That is good. Many most folks need to do things need to be analyzed, right? So Excellent, well, we're glad to have you as our first official guest of all of Android faithful. There you go drink I almost did it So it's good to be back. I am feeling much better I'm over my strep throat when you're back home. You're back in your home studio, right? 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Yeah, exactly All right, cool We have a very very exciting show this week for you We got some cool news, but the main thing we're gonna be talking about is Samsung unpacked galaxy unpacked is tomorrow Because they scheduled it not knowing about our podcast really schedule. They could they should have done it today But they did it tomorrow. We're gonna talk about that a little bit in hardware But first we're gonna get into the news and our first news story. This is a little this is a little petty and snappy But I felt like I felt like sharing the head of Instagram Went on to threads And actually responded to a post from Marques Brownlee friend of the show who who asked what was better You know give us your tech hot take and he said Android is now better than iOS Which is definitely definitely a hot take for sure And I don't know I I don't disagree with them. What do you guys think Max? Do you think right now and and of all people you are very much? Qualified to weigh in on this because I do believe you are wearing iPod Max's And I got a high-five over here to me It's more or less more or less right depends on how you look at it if you're looking at stability Sure, I always hasn't been particularly stable for the past two and a half years if you're looking at feature set Android kind of has It's more depending on what you actually value if you're looking at like overall market share No, if you're looking at hardware Debatable, I think that will kind of squeaks it out depending on what you value the most You know, but overall I'd say in more categories than less Android is better than I was All right, there you go when what do you take do you agree with this hot take or the developer point of view in the developer point of view I mean, I obviously am super biased, but I mean it for folks. I don't know I did do is develop development for quite a while and you know I've always said that in terms of development. They both well Oh, I didn't I enjoyed my time with both platforms and I'm Especially the developer and so and he tries to you know be all drawn about it and fight for the user I'm kind of just whatever works for you, but Android and all the flavors of Android You know outside of the US You know Android still kind of like King Queen whatever you want like Regent whatever you want to call it So I'm biased my husband and I have been fans of Android since beta so But I kind of agree with Max kind of like it depends on in what in what you know facet or what you know Avenue you want to kind of rate things so it I think I think it often like depends and it flips So my personal take is I still have Android and you know, that's what I'm using Well, yeah, I think it's interesting that at a mustary who's the head of Instagram weighing in on that because after going through You know Instagram is an immensely popular app on you know both platforms Threads clearly is you know, you know burst under the scene Again on both platforms so like talking about having like a good under the hood kind of perspective You know it does show the the potential of the Android platform Max, you're right. Like, you know like full fully admitting like I'm we are Livestreaming the show and I'm running the show from a MacBook Pro, right? So like clearly there's some okay with Apple and we want to welcome Max's Guest star is what's the dog's name Max? Yeah, Malibu Okay, welcome Malibu to the show is he might hear him in the background everyone But yeah, it's hard to deny what Apple has done. But obviously yes, I'm pro. We're pro Android here It's Android faithful as here we are but it's interesting to hear that perspective from somebody who's in the trenches with it So very cool So when there was a big I feel like everywhere I turned for the past couple of days this story was all over my feeds Well, I don't know if you agree. Yeah, so get your drinks ready your drink cards ready because we're gonna talk about AI And if anybody does actually pay attention to like, you know Like we kind of are joking that Samsung doesn't quite line up with our show So that we have to talk about we have to pregame unpacked and then we had to wait until next week to hear Just talk about it. But apparently chat GPT An open AI maybe know about us not really but they actually today today Released the Android client for chat GPT like literally today when I went to the Play Store page It had like 10 plus downloads in the little Play Store listing and I was kind of confused at first. It's actually still does Let's see. Yep, it's still 10 downloads. Hopefully they can break through and get more than 10 downloads. Hopefully Yeah, today July 25th chat GPT Android app was released on the Play Store This is following the prior release of the dedicated iOS app And yeah, you got your jet chat GPT for in on your little Android devices Interesting to note that of course Bing AI chatbot has had chat GPT for for a little bit longer But if you want yourself a little solo experience with chat GPT from the source open AI There you go and also be very careful by the way when searching for open AI chat GPT or just chat GPT in the Play Store a lot of very similar-looking apps and Icon show up. But yeah, let's look you Make sure you all look out for the actual open AI app But I feel like that's been happening like I saw an article about there was another app called threads that like exploded in downloads when threads came out and like there's a lot of like confusion going on in the in the various app stores, which is kind of funny, but um Max what what's your take on chat GP chat GPT in general like all the AI's are the same Everything's more or less powered by the same models barred is barred. It's closing off chat GPT and any of the answer down That will just be the licensing the one thing is with chat GPT This is the first Android app I've used that actually takes advantage of most Android phones haptics Every time it's out a letter. It'll vibrate. It's it's very good It's even better on iOS because better haptics, but it's the only Android app. I've seen that actually does that I think I actually play some haptics while I was like loading It was kind of like delightful like I might have missed it because I was like just signing in really quickly to try it for The show and I was like, yeah, I actually that that was something very Interesting notice decent like so what do you all think is like so so I mean obviously with chat GPT as part of being AI Bought there's like an integrated experience there There's like already an app that has like that is serving some purpose and AI is augmenting it What do you all see as a use case for a chat GPT only app or is that just Laura like? Hey, here's a pure chat GPT experience that isn't it and dated with other app considerations Well, I think I think from I think at least from my perspective It's just the accessibility to the to the tool itself like the access to the tool itself If I'm if I'm out somewhere and for some reason I feel the need for AI to write me a Article about Max and you an Android. I don't want to have to go to the browser and do it I mean for me, I think it just it's just kind of interface aspect. I don't know Max. What do you think I? Think they're more or less capitalizing off the brand and I mean people are going to the place sort of look for chat GPT Assuming it's an app. It's better. They have one than someone charging you 50 bucks a month for limited API access. I mean Very it's just good practice. I guess Yeah, yeah, so I mean, I think a lot of it is it's interesting because I kind of want to ding open AI For rolling this out not on both platforms as always I'm very pro really like threads that release everything on both platforms but it is interesting to see how Chat GPT arriving on Android was such a PR hit for them as a as an app and as a company all like like after not I haven't heard about chat GPT for weeks on end and then all of a sudden it bubbled back up to the news of this release So maybe there is something to a phase strategy release because it gets people talking about it again and revisiting it That is a thing especially as an Android developer being very frustrated by that for for many many years a lot of that Tends to be not intentional It was more just like more focus is on place on iOS and development often starts first for better for worse But that is actually a good point to keep you know keep your name keep your name kind of like in the you know In the news so yeah, I'll remember that when I'm angry about yet another time I have to release after iOS I just I just Just released at the same time But I'm not sure if you caught it last week There was a report from Stanford that said chat GPT is like 97% worse than it was at launch My guess is they're using smaller models and just turning them down for better You know everything with better efficiency cheaper to run But that was kind of a huge negative thing last week as well So it's good to just try to get that out of the news and SEO and get chat GPT on Android is number one It's like hey look at this shiny new thing. Yep. Look at the good stuff. We're doing it indeed. Yeah, so all right cool Well, so that's chat GPT available on Android now go get in the Google Play Store Help it get more than 10 downloads important to note that it's only available in the US India Brazil and Bangladesh. I think it was like only four countries at Fred to start Yeah, and they're gonna roll out to other countries as we go along. Yeah, exactly So alright, well quick quick note even though Michelle can't be here He wanted to make sure that we provided an update to one of his stories from last week He last week Michelle broke the news about the work profiles and Android 14 And he posted on Twitter an important update and if you follow Michelle on Twitter, you can go read it It is very wordy. It is it is I was like, how did he post so much in a tweet? And then I realized that he's paying to get verified and get all those extra Twitter By the way, I'm not commenting on what's going on at Twitter. By the way, we're just gonna ignore it We don't you don't pay attention to the to the class clown. So we're just gonna keep calling it Twitter here But but anyway, so he heard a spokesperson from Google reach out to reach out to him in response to his coverage of work profiles And he made some corrections basically a couple quick highlights here was that Notifications will still not show up when the work profiles paused that has not changed The work profiles cannot access your location when the profiles paused And then a whole lot more information about it And they basically wanted to highlight that this change helps users stay compliant within a company's update policy So that's kind of some of the reasons why the the work profile can continue to receive updates even when that profile is paused So if you were concerned about those work profile changes that Michelle talked about go read the whole post on his Extended Twitter post and get the dish on work profiles. So I didn't realize so many people were so into work profiles, but who knew so Not out of love just out of obligation, but you know, it works indeed So now is my favorite time of the show and when you get you get to talk about it Yeah, so every week starting on Monday We put up a poll for our patreon's where we pick three stories and our lovely patrons get to pick which story we talked about and Winning with a simple majority is that simple majority 50 that's 51 57. I don't have my glasses on 51 51% Today so this week rather today and this week We're gonna be talking about the Google photos Surprise redesign as our patreon pick for episode number three So this is actually some more kind of a leaky-picky rather than like something that has actually been released And it comes via the Google news telegram channel. So what's kind of interesting is? You know, there's kind of a bit of a shift in not necessarily the content of Google photos Like a lot of stuff looks kind of the same Z's the search content the you know sharing content But what really is different is the navigation? So if we yeah, so in kind of lieu of the bottom navigation that we've had in Google photos for a while It's it might be a little hard to see for our video users But instead of the kind of solid, you know docked navigation bar at the bottom What is what we're seeing here is actually something very novel and Pretty new to Android and material design, which is I'll call it a floating pill bar Sometimes we call those buttons chips a chips bar, which makes me hungry But it's basically this floating rounded, you know rectangle that has within it kind of also pill bars Which represent the three destinations photos With photos sharing and memories. Sorry. I kind of lost the photos memories in library photos memories in life so memories is new and it is kind of like that Again, the kind of generated content that Google photos likes likes to share with you But yeah, so now we have a chips bar a pill bar. I don't know what they call it and this is I mean I haven't it feels like a floating menu bar. It is a floating menu, but yeah It's it's it's it definitely looks material designy with a little drop shadow. It's like floating on top of the app itself Yeah, kind of like a floating action button But longer and actually the the navigation as opposed to like being a main action or something Another significant change is the search bar so that like really huge kind of very search forward bar that we see in most Google apps These days has actually kind of taken a backseat on the home page of Google photos And is now just a very simple kind of circular Circular icon button next to the pill bar pill whatever floating Navigation now, which is quite different right because usually like that's kind of been like the the paradigm for search on Google Because Google search company or at least it was is to have that search for but now it's kind of like been relegated down to the bottom Quarter and there's kind of small UI changes with the top app bar kind of you know things switching around so um, I mean I Know it doesn't seem like a huge change But this is actually quite different because some time ago, you know all the apps are switching to navigate bottom navigation Which some of us devs, you know with an Apple shaped chip on our shoulder didn't like because it's very much like our cousins across the aisle However, you want to word it navigation, but so this is this is quite different It's not again not released yet, but I don't know what y'all think you like it. Don't like it. Don't mind. Yeah, I Don't mind it looks very similar to macOS photos app actually if you're used to that because it has the bottom bar that sorts by timeline memories all that type of stuff as Well, it does feel like you've used vision pro emulator for any app domain as well You'll notice that the vision pro app and that for photos look very similar It I it's kind of taking the best parts of what Apple's been doing for years Which by the way is good apples on a lot of really good UI of things and mixing it with Google's material design Which is a great thing to do. There's no reason to just have it be different for this I could being different when there are some legitimately good aspects to it I'm always shocked and amazed that how how How much changes the Google photos resonates with the audience people love the Google photos app And I feel like over the years anytime there's been any adjustment or change to that app It is like and that's why like when we did the patron pick like we had three solid stories Like one was like Carl pay saying foldables aren't cool Well, we're gonna get to that in a little bit But and I thought for sure that was the story that you're all we're gonna vote for but here sure enough You know over 50% of our patrons wanted to hear about Google photos. It just shows how much people love that app Which I think the changes are neat. I think evolution is good I mean the chat. It's funny because it's like the I've recently become frustrated with some apps Who like when they make an update and change the one thing I do in the app? It's like, why did you change that? I I like my for example, I use on the desktop I use an email program called shift that allows me to collect all my Gmail accounts into one application window And they just updated to a new version and just like change the paradigm of how it works And I was like I've been emailing with them like what why like I liked what it did Why did you change that? But but I think that you know an evolution of UI in this way is like they continue to explore and it plays into what is Happening with on the OS level to you know We've noticed whenever there are changes in Google apps like Google photos or you know Google Maps or whatever those changes tend to lead other changes within the OS because they're trying to have everything look consistent So this could be an indicator of what's to come perhaps. So yeah, I'm pretty excited I think honestly it does feel more materially than the previous bottom navigation Which took up a lot of space in the bottom and it kind of plays well with like, you know The kind of previous like things like the floating action bar. So I'm into it Actually, I would be happy to start putting that floating navigation bar I'm gonna start calling it chips bar the chips bar because I'm hungry into my apps But yeah, it's kind of interesting and like you said I think us and especially for devs We tend to look at first-party apps like Google photos Gmail for inspiration and guidance and also like hey How do you guys do material design? So if it comes out, I think I think it's it's always fun It's always it's gonna be a pain decision to kind of convince our product managers when to update to make it look kind of modern Make your own app look modern, but I'm into it. So thumbs up. Cool. 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Uh, me on mount time I'm gonna I'm gonna pass I'm gonna pass and I'll watch the replay But if y'all want to watch if you are not if you just are able to get up early Or you happen to be in earlier time zone you can watch samsung galaxy unpacked Live on youtube on the samsung youtube channel or directly on samsung's website or on a couple other Places um with something kind of new and notable I guess is that unpacked will be taking place in soul south korea Of course where samsung is uh headquartered uh this year. So That's just I guess new and interesting, but what we really care about are the devices So what are we going to expect to see? Well, I'm pretty pretty sure that we all know that we're going to see some Freakin foldables because we have the new galaxy z flip 5 and z fold 5 coming out And I guess not surprisingly kind of seeing how the flippable side the clamshell Foldables have been leapfrogging each other in terms of design. It is not maybe like Too surprising to to hear that the flip 5 Probably will be showing up tomorrow with a larger 3.4 inch cover display Um kind of stretching from the camera to the hinge a little bit different than last year Which had that kind of like more tiny 1.9 inch outer screen But hopefully we'll be seeing some a little more outer screen cover screen love tomorrow in the flip 5 Um something really interesting is that samsung has been working on a water drop style hinge Which is rumored to appear on the z flip 4 or sorry See that z flip 5 my bad um And yeah, probably the name of the game here also is going to be slightly thinner And slightly thinner just like little little every every year to little increments It's making it thinner and thinner and thinner Until replaceable battery batteries come and that get all that all gets blown out the water But yeah, we're hoping to see slightly thinner foot 5 at maybe 15.1 millimeters compared to 15.9 last year um And then the z fold 5 is also um coming out as well We're also expecting it to have a the water drop style hinge Which should also combat the appearance of the dreaded crease Which is you know just an easy thing to pick at uh in terms of passport foldables, but I wouldn't go that far with the crease It's not the dreaded crease or do you mean do you think do you think the water drop is not going to help that much The water drop it's not going to help the crease the water drop mostly helps the actual like thickness Because of water drop you can hide most of where the display folds inside of the body um This is a opo find and to flip This doesn't have a water drop so you can hide most of it Here and here in it and you can get rid of that gap in the middle Because the gap is on the inside of the display rather than having to be flat The crease stays the same because it's still folding the same amount just in different places Herb song's creases Ice universe was saying a 15% less noticeable, which is not at all less noticeable It's going to be the exact same in practice especially since most people in all of this creases get worse with time every time you fold it It gets a little bit Microscopically different, but you give it six months. It's a lot bigger than when you got it Makes sense. I mean just like any other piece of material that you fold It's it gets more creased as you go. So the best crease is xiaomi mix folto I've had this thing since october and it looks bad But when it's flat you can barely notice it unless there's direct light coming at it and it's very thin Is it um, is it? I mean because I think a lot of things that we tend to like I think those of us that love foldables Try to like mitigate the crease by saying. Oh, well, you know, if you're looking straight on It doesn't matter if you're working at looking at during normal conditions or not with that bright light It does the sorry. That's a xiaomi Yeah mix folto It does it have like a kind of like a better I guess range of non-creasiness Look the the range of non-creasiness is just kind of it's whatever if you're getting a foldable the crease is just Is there there's no way to go around it no matter how you look at it. You can always see the crease It's always going to be there. You're probably not going to feel it It's always going to be somewhere there. So the goal is just minimize it which only modos done well Interesting All right. So in addition to the flip in the fold That's not all they're going to have right when oh, yeah No, no, we're going to get the galaxy watch six and for those of you that really miss that rotating bezel and the you know Five series it looks like we're going to get the galaxy watch six classic Which brings back the rotating bezel as well as kind of like, you know, the kind of standard Six six line that matches the five from last year Um, and yeah, kind of again just a little everything is just a little bit better with you know, and you uh with increased processor Better kind of fitness tracking with heart rate monitor blood o2 sensor temperature gauge We got one ui5 coming which again as a relatively new samsung fan I'm actually kind of excited for with again enhanced like fitness features emergency sos Heart heart zones again for those of us trying to get our zone to in And yeah, larger batteries faster processor a little bit better Call a dot increase if you're a dev But yeah, just a little iterative increase but again bringing back that rotating bezel, which I know a lot of folks missed Um, and yeah, uh, you're going to get a watch. You're going to get some watches watches watches watches A tablet we think you're going to get a time. Well, we're thinking we're going to get a tablet not only that but The rumor is that the tabs s9 series is going to actually kind of bump up the base s9 a little bit in regards to Um, the screen which I think was it the last Was it the s8s didn't have an OLED screen on the base model say base model was an lcd 120 her Awesome. Thank you. Um, so yeah, the rumors is that they're actually going to kind of spread the OLED love Down to the base model. Um, but kind of in exchange for that It looks like it might have a single camera than a dual camera on the base model Um, but yeah, you know snapdragon hn plus ip67 ratings across the board So yeah, you got your tablets. You got your watches and you got your foldable phones Um, I was gonna say given given that the whole event is marketing is join the flip side and has the the the flip kind of you know, it's shedding light on uh on various things I feel like the the flip in the fold or are like the These are the stars of the event right and then the watch and the tablet are kind of like the supporting acts Almost I guess we'll we'll find out tomorrow. But um, max, what what are you hearing about this sort of stuff? Are these are these rumors and leaks that we've heard uh going in the right direction? Or what do you expect to see tomorrow? What I'm expecting to see is take last year's stuff upgrade the chip You've got the product. I mean that's Realistically, I mean when you look at the fold and flip Sure, it's the same. It's hn2 rather than a plus gen one Whatever cameras are the same I don't know who leaked it, but for some reason everything showed up on twitter this morning at like 10 a.m Every full spec sheets with comparisons between folds Five and three. It's just wild everything showed up But it's it's basically the same as the fold four just thinner and lighter and new chip Which isn't necessarily a bad thing the fold and flip four were very good So of all the stuff that leaked did did any prices leak? No, I saw some currency conversions. It was like 1931 or sorry 1341 for a tab S9 ultra Uh 1100 for S9 plus and it was like 930 Usually you can assume it's a little bit less currency conversions don't work But somewhere around there. I do think we might see a price increase on the fold and flip just because It makes sense given inflation and how everything's going supply chains more difficult It makes sense Yeah, because that's always I feel like that's always the question like at this point At least with these samsung events is that so much stuff leaks to your point like full spec sheets out the day before it comes out You know, it's almost like the event isn't the surprise But then at least from my experience the surprise then is all right Well, what is the cost going to be how much this is going to cost and really like with these foldables what i'm looking for With each iteration and each generation changes as you noted. I want to see thinner smaller devices Increased battery life, you know, kind of keeping up with the jones processor and like, you know Kind of specs and all the stuff, you know growing as as time prevails, but then I want to see the cost go down Right and whether or not that equation actually happens tomorrow. I think we'll find out, right? Let's let's think about this logically s 20 s 22 to s 23 same prices in the u.s And we got better storage options So same price more storage as uh, if we're looking at the same way For europe we got about 100 euro 200 euro 100 pound price increase Probably looking at the same thing here. My guess is we get 256 gig minimum for uh z flip five Rather than 128 same price in the us and then fold is probably same price same storage because that was already 256 And then in europe probably 100 euro 200 euro 100 pound price increases Which is wild given moto has what a Cheap razor coming out later the 40 and razor and then the razor plus and raider for razor 40 ultra is Thousand dollars for I think a better looking product even though the chip is a little worse than I use I went to their launch event. It was fun. It's a really good phone I think better than samsung and then you have opo with a cheaper. I think this is like 800 For it. I mean, it's it's wild to see prices stay the same and or increase when competition is actually there I mean, what pixel phone you gotta wonder who who samsung considers their competition like does samsung Feel any threat from the pixel fold, right do that at all, right? From my perspective samsung has no competition because samsung is samsung in the us globally Who cares us is their main market for this stuff? Asia too don't even our age is huge and in Asia, they're probably a little more competitive Now we have what the honor magic v2 That's thinner than an iphone in lighter than an iphone that folds with a pen on the front end inside That's gonna be good. That's competition one plus has a foldable phone coming out in like a month That's good competition. Google has their foldable phone in three countries. Not really competition I mean, there's a lot Yeah, so when you're you recently moved from samsung to the pixel fold Is anything you're seeing here that you're gonna see tomorrow make you regret that or make you think about going back to samsung or No, not especially if there's a price increase like I I do love samsung And as I said, I've actually become a convert to one to one UI in particular, especially as I guess I mean you can call me a power user. I think that's fair And I do miss a lot of the productivity and shortcuts and all the kind of super hyper customization that you can do on samsung So I miss the software to be perfectly honest I really really like the pixel fold form factor too much and the fact that all right I'm already in 1800. I've already given my $1,800 to both of those companies by the way Um, it the I I totally I think max it's totally fair that the price goes up for all the reasons you said um And I know that you know It kind of fights our our desire for the price of these things to go down to make foldables more Affordable and accessible to the average, you know to like the average consumer to make it actually kind of a viable thing Kind of like maintain like this But uh me personally right now, I think I've hit my limit a little bit. I think it being just a little bit better Is not gonna You know, I'm not I I was thinking about pre-ordering to be to be perfectly honest a fold five because I've enjoyed the three in the four so much, but I don't know I think I'm really happy with my pixel fold four or sorry by pixel fold So I think I'm good. I'm really good. Thanks. I wanted to ask you something When you say more affordable Are they not affordable now if you go through a carrier? I mean if we look at the u.s Most people go through carriers. No one buys outright unless you're like 13 percent of the u.s There's the people buying outright for the z flip. It's going to be probably an hundred dollar down payment in 40 bucks a month The fold is probably going to be 53 over the 200 dollar down payment. That's relatively affordable Especially if you're going over 24 to 36 months. I think that's affordable I don't think the pricing is really much of an issue outside of we want it to be cheaper because a smaller number feels like We're doing something which I don't really necessarily think is true I think it's more the desire for it isn't there as much as we hope and I don't think the price is really going to change that Yeah, that's a really good point because I will I will admit that we are in that minority that rarefied air Where like I haven't bought a phone through a carrier in over a decade, right? Like I you know like I'm buying I'm buying them outright or I'm buying them unlocked and I'm paying full price and All that sort of stuff because you know because I want that choice I want to know you know, I want to choose which device I'm using and that sort of thing And admittedly the the normals of the world, right? The folks who just walk into Verizon or walk into T-Mobile or You know, whoever their provider is Are going through that system and paying like you said those monthly kind of payments and it does become affordable and I think that's it just for me I look at it at the total cost and And the sticker shock of a four-digit four-digit value for a phone Even if I was paying monthly payments over 24 months or whatever it was I still would feel like uh, I've got this really expensive phone And it would hinder my use because I'd be so worried about it getting damaged or or lost or whatever it might be because of that Price tag um now that said this is cutting at technology and like it's it's not going to get down Like we're not going to see a mid-range foldable for a while, right? No, we're getting on the summer Motorizer it's going to be like $700. I mean it's going to be pretty mid-range But 700 as mid-range, which is like, you know 700 to 1000 is flagship on candy bar phones, right? I think that's a thing though. I think that you know, at least especially on Show our show and old shows we do have a lot of folks that are in that mid-range And I don't get you over time the cost is you know, especially with you know Months and months payments like kind of like months to months. It's affordable But I do think there's a strong contingent of folks that you know see like an $800 phone You know as still a little bit kind of like not within their range or not what they want to pay for a phone And I'm granted for that 800 bucks that you would get, you know via these thousand dollar discount on whatever Verizon yada yada, you're getting a lot. I mean you're getting literally almost literally like twice the phone Um, but I do think that there is a strong case for you know a mid-range an actual mid-range price Which would be you know, the cost would be almost like down to like zero or just like, you know 100 bucks on a you know with with subsidizing for carrier. So I don't know I kind of like to see a wide range of form factors on a wide range of You know costs, you know an arrangement of cost bands But obviously that that kind of is counter to the technology and the materials and everything that goes into it but I know just the future world where we all have like transformer phones is is something that I I Would like to see also Yeah, we've been I've been a lot of money on phone the last couple of years. I think You're in deep All right. Well, so it sounds like this this samsung unpack, you know, not I mean, obviously it's all been leaked Like is there anything that's like it doesn't sound exciting like is it is You know can samsung do anything to make this more exciting than just an iterative kind of release Um, you know based on all the leaks, it doesn't you know, it seems like oh, we're just getting You know the next generation of these devices tablet watch cool. Here it is Um, you know, I know the chat's been uh alive and wondering what member of bts is going to show up at the presentation I mean what what other energy can samsung bring to this to this presentation aside from bts And they are in korea, although aren't so there's some of some of them are starting military service So yeah, I gotta get them while they're still while they're still available. Um, yeah, I don't know I mean, it seems like there's always like a surprise thing, right? Like with the samsung galaxy impact They have their little one more thing moment. Is that that's the case? They haven't really done one since Galaxy no galaxy fold was the first thing and they've never really done one Yeah, okay, so I can't none. I can remember at least. Yeah, it's normally it's always pretty straightforward and it's like here it is Here's the device here is the samsung ecosystem. You were locked in By having this watch and having this tablet and having this flip phone You can take selfies you can do you watch a movie like oh, they'll do to do all the like It's so funny the the the foldable demo By the way, I feel like we can all write the script to the foldable demo now Where it's like, you know, like the person's at the desk tilts the phone up and is watching something as they're working or whatever Or the or the different selfie camera views and all that sort of stuff So I don't know I'll be curious to see what they do to differentiate themselves of the over the last year of announcements and other You know just kind of just general marketing that we've seen so that would be interesting That I think I would like to see the software because I think and even You know Florence ion said that when that when the pixel fold came out it would be for her The software that made it and of course they did have like the you know the the very I think one of the most compelling Software features is the rear the rear selfie Do you think samsung's gonna have their own kind of like rear selfie style of software? Just to kind of keep up with the kind of like the feature the feature blast of the rear rear rear Camera selfie Yeah, something like that. I don't know some some amazing demo. We'll see There'll be something. I mean if they have to catch up with moto a bit So I don't know if you guys have played with the razor plus at all, but I want to yeah, it's really nice I have a razor 40 ultra the european model pr just got back man getting one out soon But when you're in a third-party app like instagram, you can really show mirror the camera view onto the outside screen So if you're recording someone in instagram, they can see themselves where you're recording on that big screen That's the nice little features that are actually useful. I don't know if you I actually you can Use full apps on the razor 40 ultra So you can tilt it open like this use the main cameras and watch yourself there So there's like a lot of fun features on There that samsung needs to mimic. It's all about the software now I mean look the hardware is good enough and I don't think samsung is in a different position than moto They're gonna sell more units. It's gonna be more popular It'll matter more so they have to be more careful about what they do a software You can't just allow any app to run on the outside Without jumping through a bunch of loop holes and running cover screen ls because if it doesn't work It looks bad and kills their brand recognition for the years to come Right And right now they right now they are the leader right like whether as much you know max your bullish on moto And and we've seen you know google enter the fray But right now in terms of the foldable line samsung is in the top spot because now they're here They are five generations in that it went from concept to actual Market, you know proving the market Need or interest in it to now we're just in iteration So like they're on top and so it's kind of their their spot to lose so to speak so well, they're on top of themselves There's no real market yet. I mean like we're looking at foldables There's probably 25 million shipping of that 20 of them are samsung. That's not really a that's not really a smartphone market 25 is probably Exaggerating but there's not really a smartphone market. It's samsung selling folder foldable phone market Samsung selling foldables and everyone else is trying to you know pick away those users that are there. It's It's it's it doesn't matter it's just samsung's gonna keeps doing what samsung does and moto can hope to sell something well Which they might with the cheaper razor and one plus later on can hope to do it and google Can make a foldable phone to try to force after all first to support a horizontal landscape Format because no horizontal format because no one does it and then you get the black bars and it's just The only company that makes sense for foldables is really samsung Yeah, and it's just yeah, it all develops and everyone kind of plays catch up to samsung because they are the leader So no now it's in terms of hardware samsung playing catch up in terms of everything else They're playing catch up to samsung in market share. I mean samsung is the worst foldable hardware at this point I'm not like that's not exaggerating. They're the thickest devices Yeah, they were first They were first, but they now actually No, they weren't while we beat them to market because the fold got delayed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, but Look, we're looking at it samsung has worst cameras now the equivalent silicon Equal displays they sell their displays to everyone They're thicker their heavier battery life is probably going to be worse They only have pens on one screen versus two for the competition. They've got waterproofing, but so does everyone else They've got the lockable hinge, but so does everyone out like there's nothing samsung does now That's better than everyone else outside. They have the market share the market share and the ecosystem I wouldn't even say ecosystem. Google's is just as good. Sure. No, I agree with you But people who are locked in that samsung ecosystem are locked in right like I don't think so Because what what's the samsung ecosystem watching earbuds? I guess don't work with other. I mean you can replace that with a pixel Let's not underestimate bixby or a good friend bixby here. Sorry I don't I don't I don't think samsung really has a strong ecosystem people really aren't Aren't tied into samsung. It's not the same as the ios ecosystem where you know Yeah, where people switch over places You can go get a pair of pixel buds and it'll work just as well When you even said that you you you find yourself missing one ui, right? I do That's a part of it, right of like knowing it feels like a samsung device. Yeah Um, I it definitely does I miss that but to be honest if I had to trade in, you know An actual usable front, you know front screen for one ui I'll do it because this means that you know this last third of the phone the last third screen All right the one third of the screen Nope seems like we've we lost to end unusable. Oh Really? Hello. There you are. You're back. You're good. Yeah I'll stay with this because it's usable I'm not sure if you've seen the competition. This is the outside of a foldable It's about the same size as a nothing phone too Right. It's it's almost identical to it and it opens up into a full foldable like this is Best of both worlds you get a normal phone and a foldable with Four speakers 66 watt fast charging 5000 milliamp hour battery newest chip better camera like I don't It's just samsung at this point that's behind on like design even honor is with the magic vs and magic v2 Which down announced in china? It's just kind of samsung's behind and us is Lacking because we only have samsung in google and soon one plus so for our audio listeners at home this is why you want to watch the video version on youtube or watch it live because Max is pulling foldable phones out from under his under below his shot I I can only imagine you have a box of devices underneath you that That you're literally we're naming the brand and you're pulling out the phone Like basically has an origami shop of foldable phones like I've already I've gone through all four of the ones I have and I have a fold five in that shoe box Right or sorry original not full time the original five Fold I the fold I haven't touched. I'm not under any nda's or embargoes from samsung. I've got nothing for it Yes, we're impressed. So all right. Well, cool. So so tune in tomorrow In less than 10 hours, uh samsung galaxy unpacked will be going on. Um, when you're gonna be talking about it tomorrow, right? Actually, um, I for if you haven't gotten enough of me tonight for some reason you can catch me on the daily tech news show Tomorrow, I'll be joining to unpack unpacked Um with tom and the crew and that's going to be 4 p.m. Eastern 1 p.m. Pacific I didn't know the time last week. So I studied up this week But yeah, if you want to you know, if you want to hear the gts crew talking samsung unpacked Uh, join us tomorrow or check out the vod or just you know, catch it on your pod catcher Cool, and then we'll be back here next week. Uh The week later point of view breaking into town. So We might just roll the segment from dtns But um, all right, cool. So galaxy unpacked, uh, tune in tomorrow I'll see what it is and come back here next week to hear what we think of it One more quick hardware story before we move on. I always like when this stuff happens. So sony, uh, has been developing a playstation handheld device codename project q and a video of it, uh Has been you know leaked out or if you know hit twitter and uh, sure enough it is uh, a handheld device gaming device Running android, uh much less than nintendo switch or other, you know other handheld devices that are out there PlayStation project q driven by android. Um, so I don't know. I just thought that was neat. Uh, as as we see sony getting into the handheld, uh You know kind of gaming console kind of thing I I it is interesting because I feel like all of these handhelds run android, right like all of these Yeah, I don't know Logic one did the razor one did I kind of missed the boat on on getting the razor one and and reviewing it for They're all the old show. Um, we are a sony house. Well, I mean, we're in everything house So, um, I'm not I wouldn't be surprised if one showed up my door one day and if it does I'll let you all know But yeah, I mean there was one. I mean obviously the steam Steam deck is the exception. Yeah, I don't think that's and uh and a the asus legion go The newer not the legion go the other one that just came out the legion guys. Yeah, but but Yeah, but apart from that. Yeah, there's a good there's a good cohort of android powered, you know cloud gaming devices with With a screen in the middle and the handles on the side. So yeah, we talked to you know on our old show We talked a lot about how like android is pervasive and out there in places You don't realize and gaming handhelds is another spot of it. I love it. I love it. Just, you know, your your workout mirrors actually pretty much most of Workout mirrors, uh, kia airport kiosks Things like that. Yeah, so and usually they're all running, uh, very very old versions of android And in fact quick is this isn't we're not covering the show But uh, we want to pour one out for a kitkat by the way as google has suspended google play services for devices running kitkat. So The end of the road for kitkat So if you're if you're using a device running kitkat, please upgrade Take it take a break for the kit for android kitkat All right, cool. Let's get a wrap it up for hardware. Um, we got a couple apps stories I know when this is when you wanted to talk about a lot I request this one because as I've already said about a half a dozen times I I actually do have become a convert to samsung One ui because it just provides you all this like, you know, super saying super samsung customization She was like in various areas of the ui lockstree notifications yada yada So, um, something actually that friend of the show gabriel pool used to work at tonal Everything's just walking. Uh, just just kind of like getting, you know, everything's connected One thing that he when I talked to him actually and he tried to convince me that samsung was awesome When I was still kind of hating on samsung, which is kind of like requisite for android devs your first couple years He said that one hand operation is really awesome And so there's this one hand operation plus module that's part of the samsung good lock good lock A set of, you know customization modules, which basically Adds these kind of handles to the sides of the screen And not just like and you can have like multiple gestures like diagonal left diagonal Sorry diagonal down diagonal up diagonal straight on both sides You can have long so basically it adds like almost like a dozen different additional gestures to you know as trigger shortcuts navigation and so One hand operation plus is now adding another gesture Which is pulling from the from the edge of the screen and it actually pops up what is called What they're calling a quick launcher and I think there's a gif of it popping up. Yeah down. Yeah down there so Not that the right edge of the screen isn't crowded enough already I'm lousy with gestures, but now you have like yet another gesture that will provide you a quick launcher that has like In the video we're seeing like about you know Between different icons and what's interesting. This is not just like a quick launcher for apps But there's a lot of actions as well. So you can turn on the flashlight you can Um do volume control screen control like all kinds of stuff Um, and it is kind of like got a like some kind of silly set of defaults But it is as many things on one UI Super customizable so I just think it's cool. One one handed mode is one hand operation is pretty dang cool Um, I also like love all of their edge panels and stuff So I will miss this not using my z fold 4 but for those of you still on samsung If you want yet more ways for you to have shortcuts to all your favorite things to do on your samsung device look out for the Quick launcher as part of one hand uh one handed mode one hand one hand operation But yeah, that's that's that's it more more more power to you power users ron are you muted? Sorry, but that I was muted. I like when uh, I like when the user swipes from the right And the screen kind of goes rubbery and pulls out. Yeah, like that that's kind of neat Yeah, there's like a there's a really cool animation that kind of like shows it being kind of like liquidy and blobby. Um, yeah It's it's It's fun. I don't know It's I remember like five six years ago when gestures were like the new hotness and like they're all these different They're all these different apps that allows you to do this sort of stuff and I just never I never really embraced it fully like I like I rode the bottom three buttons on the bottom of android for years because I'm because part of it is just being just old man and like this is how things are done but like, you know adding this level of Interface, you know, not only you know makes Samsung kind of unique and you know another another aspect of it But you know one-handed devices devices got bigger And especially like with the foldables with the with the you know with the with the Fold not the flip but the fold, you know, like when it when it's in its folded mode That is a one-handed, you know, kind of view and so of course they want to have these little software modifications So it's interesting to see I can't say I love it or reduce it but when clearly you're into it I mean I I really do miss those edge panels very much I didn't use one-handed operation as as as as much but I definitely would use the quick launcher It's just it just weird to me because I feel like there's so many things now. They're packing so much stuff in there I always worry a little bit about kind of like gesture collision and that was kind of the thing that I Was being an old person about, you know with gesture nav on android And also there's always like questions of like accessibility, especially for folks that have like mobility issues, but We're here and they're there and I mean, it's not like, you know, the main You know, main driving, you know interaction with the device is just extras. So I don't know You know, just pack that edge for one UI and just let you do all the things. So Cool All right And last but not least again, michael checks in even though he's not here on the show But uh, he did post on his twitter account. You go check it out He had a cool video showing android 14's new note taking feature for styluses Where basically you can launch the the default notes app from the lock screen Unlock device and then use the stylus to launch the notes app in a bubble Which is pretty cool Given the pixel tablet Coming out and the people who love styluses is probably a nice little thing to notice there. So if you're into styluses Speaking of samsung a lot of samsung people likes their stylus Their s-pen right max. Are you a stylus person or not? I can't say I ever have but I liked it when I first got like the note eight and nine and then afterwards I just don't use it I have an s23 ultra and I just never touch it same thing. I was like so enchanted at first I use it for a week and then just like I can't be bothered to bring this around It's good for certain situations, but in those same situations Who care? I mean, no, if I need a sign of doctrine, I'm gonna go to my laptop I've got a surface laptop and I have that dual screen lenovo yoga book nine I have to review what I'm gonna do with the moto since they have actual like ecosystem there too Which not many people know about but if I'm gonna do it I'm just I got something else to sign away or a pen and paper and then my phone camera Stylists are just Superfluous in my opinion. That's what the s stands for. That's pen superfluous But they're useful on tablets, but for phones who cares. Yeah, I agree So, um, all right, cool. All right. Well, that's gonna wrap it up for a rundown But we asked you to write into us contact that contact at android faithful.com And you did so we're very excited to have some emails So when why don't you take the the first one and I am so excited because I'm I'm from mariland And this first email is from ben from balmer mariland. Hey ben from another kind of marilander Hey gang, first of all, I am glad to see you all have started a successor to the triple a podcast I will be listening to every episode just like I did for the past decade or more with triple a I hope you can even have guests like flow and jason on In last week's episode ron asked for feedback about pocket cast on the pixel watch I've been using it since the beta because I was waiting for it for so long having pre ordered the watch so far I am very pleased progress is synced between the apps and the watch app on the watch has Oh, sorry. I just scrolled my screen Sorry, my bad progress is sitting between the apps and the watch app on the watch has all the same advanced playback controls As the phone you can have pocket cast automatically download podcasts To to the watch for offline listening, but with the lte watch. I prefer to just stream them overall I think it's a great experience and ron would be happy with it It's definitely a huge step up from using youtube music or the awful wearcast app on the watch Ben from balmer mariland Well, there you go. We asked for somebody who was using the pocket cast a new pocket cast wearos app and we got a review That's fantastic. Glad to hear that. It's a positive experience. Uh, that's good because I still I don't know. I Still angry on the pixel watch it's too late. Why didn't they have it launched too late to defrost ron's, uh, cold heart Cold pixel watch heart All right, um, cool. Well our next uh, our next email comes in from Brian from st. Louis Who um, who says first I wanted to thank you for the show I was a very long time listener of a and was crushed when I got cancelled In your recent show you mentioned how it would be difficult to have both removable batteries and waterproofing in a phone If you remember a samsung galaxy s5 had both and it worked extremely well The back panel peeled off and included a silicone gasket which allowed it to be ip67 Which could be submerged in one one meter of water for up to 30 minutes I had this phone and was quite liberal with how much I'd use it around water I would even take underwater photos in the pool Battery swaps were super easy and definitely made battery life a non-issue and extended the life of the device I think with modern innovations we could easily see google samsung apple and others improve on the design And still create sophisticated phones. Thanks. I can't wait to see where the show goes Brian from st. Louis and thank you brian for writing in Max we were talking last week about the eu requiring removable batteries Uh by 2027 uh and wondering how that would affect the the waterproofing aspect of it But seems like they might have figured it out. I don't know If needed ports and the needed plugs in the ports, so it's whatever that's fixed now whatever But also I don't think that's actually gonna have to go through the eu's gonna get so much pushback from everyone And it's not that consumer friendly to have removable batteries. I don't care what people say Yeah, I mean the removal battery contingent really wants them and is glad to hear this You know potentially could happen and the same thing with the micro sd card slot people But that hasn't mattered in years too and it's the same thing with the stylus people But that doesn't you can ignore most of them. They're just loud the headphone jack people my favorite. Oh my they're still around I used to be one of them, but now I'm converted I moved on so Bluetooth is good enough Using a screw the the loft the eu should be you need a screwdriver to easily be able to remove it Just with just a screwdriver how uh, I forget the company now that does it super easily repaired stuff But you know having something Removal backs and user what it's too much work. No one cares at that point Most people are just going to get a new phone and that's what they do now. So yeah, exactly All right, cool. Well, thank you brian and we got one more email when let's take it away All right when this one this final email is from mike in crisp minneapolis Hello android faithful. I was so excited to hear you all were picking up the torch of triple a and became a patron Immediately thank you so much mike back on the old show I wrote in about my dissatisfaction with a pixel 7a battery Since then I've tried every battery saving technique day to save or turning off 5g keeping a low refresh rate, etc I call google support and they want me to go through a multi-step process including Leaving my phone uncharged overnight, which I don't want to do given the fact my battery is draining At a rate of 10 plus per hour with moderate use The number one drain on the battery pocket casts I'm feeling fairly confident that this has more about the 7a than pocket casts Based on flow's recommendation for her favorite small phone. I'm swapping this energy draining brick for the galaxy s 23 I've been a loyal nexus pixel user for almost 10 years now I hope to come back between the camera the assistant features and the promise of tensor But needing to charge twice a day just isn't worth it Thanks for doing all the work to keep the show going mike And mike I have a question. Is it crisp right now in miniapolis because it's it's pretty it's pretty uncrisp It's a scorcher here in new york. Let me tell you Like oh, it's gonna be bad. It is crisp in miniapolis some parts of your but i'm just curious if it's crisp now because I'll come over I've got family over there. So but yeah, so I I like the I like the narrative of pocket casts, you know You know of pocket cast work on the watch and now draining this guy's battery But I got to say I did notice so I was out this weekend I took the kids to the aquarium out east on long island And we I think we left the house at like nine and we came home at like one And I was shocked that my battery level was like in the 30 percent range when we got home Because I wasn't even using the phone that much On this kind of you know multi-hour adventure like I was you know, I took pictures I you know, we listen to music in the car But like I was trying and I looked to see what what my battery Usage was and it didn't look like anything jumped out as a problem But like man when that battery goes that battery goes right like it it sneaks up on you Was it was it like hot out when you were there? I've noticed for some reason I'm not sure why I was whenever it gets hot phone batteries drain even if you're not using them Interesting I don't know I've noticed that a lot and I don't know why it is because It shouldn't be but I think it may be the same reason phones charge faster The batteries are just more I I guess malleable To outside stuff when it gets warmer and it was hot. It was like in the late It was in the high 80s. It was not chris minneapolis. It was hot on the island I don't know what it is every time it gets hot out batteries drain fast Interesting. Yeah, you might be on to something there I will say something too that I got an unfortunate message while I was on the plane coming back here And that was that I hadn't hit the 10 gigabyte limit gigabyte limit For google fi and by the way, your fees your your data is free for the rest of the months But don't go over 15 gigabytes on anyone account because then we'll Smack you on the hand and I did look at the data usage and to be fair. I was downloading a bunch of podcast including video ones, but Pocket cast was definitely kind of like one of the offenders in terms of like data usage And so yeah, if the radio is going downloading your your podcast or even streaming that will affect battery as well So I guess it also depends on your usage. How much you're downloading in the background yada yada yada so I mean not to say that I was going to stop downloading podcasts on pocket cast until unless I guess my battery runs out But that's also like a factor is also just usage and how much of the radio that we're tensor g2's x and o's modem is horrendous And I never would recommend any tensor chip to someone until they get a different modem By the way g3 is the same modem is g2. So that's not getting fixed There it is Lots of lots of potential candidates for battery drain. There you are. So All right Well, thank you to everybody who wrote in you can you can get your email on the show by email and contact at android faithful.com And that's going to wrap it up for this third episode of android faithful max. Thank you so so much for joining us Um, why don't you let people know where they can find you on the internet if they like your work? Uh, nine to five google you can find me twitter mostly I twitter's not dying. It's going to be around for a long time and I don't I have a threads But not really threads if you just search my name max my inbox anywhere. You'll find them usually top 10 recommended on most searches Right on Well, thank you max. We we appreciate your work and we we're glad you're able to join us. Thank you for having me All right win, uh, where can people find you? Yeah, um, so I'm an android dev I do technical talks kind of frequently Um, and you can find all my technical talks code video all that good stuff on my website randomly typing dot com On in terms of social media if it's queen code monkey monkey. It's probably me. I am on threads now blue sky instagram I'm still on the other site the one that used to be a blue bird and all that kind of other stuff But yeah queen code monkey and don't forget you can if you just for some reason again Want to see me talk more about samson unpacked. I will be right here if you're watching the last screen I will be back here tomorrow again 4 p.m. Eastern 1 p.m. Pacific To be on the daily tech news show with the crew. I'll be watching. I'm excited. I'm scared now nervous not scared nervous No, you'll be great. You'll be great. Don't worry about that that that show is so much fun It I will tell you it goes by so fast. You won't even your head will be spinning. That's So we're gonna do great. Um, thank you win. That's awesome. Um, and of course, I am ron xo everywhere that I can be a mainly most active on instagram and uh I'm still on twitter. I'm on blues guy. I'm on mastodon, but I'm just I'm so busy I'm so busy doing the show. It's hard to post on all that stuff. I'm on threads all that fun stuff Um, I do want the account switcher to be better on threads because I hate having to log out and then switch You can't log back in. It's very frustrating very funny reason. Just call me out So, um, all right, cool. Well, let's get a wrap it up for this week of android faithful Thanks for listening. Uh, we publish this podcast every tuesday evening. Go to android faithful.com to subscribe and get, uh Connected and make sure you're listening every week or watching we do live stream every week 8 p.m. Eastern 5 p.m. Pacific those of you watching live you were already here You knew that happened, but you can watch on youtube.com daily tech news show and twitch.tv slash good day internet Thanks so much for watching. We'll see you next time on android faithful And that's our show Max you're you're awesome. Thanks for Max your box of phones. I'm very impressed. Uh, yeah, I've got all of the flagships just sitting on my desk Because of everything I can usually manage to get one or a few So in terms of uh, looking at our show title suggestions from the audience the the most upvoted one is shoebox full of foldables Um, but uh, as was pointed out to me, we don't need to go with the title They got the most votes by the way. We go the one that actually resonates and works the best. Um Chris lightning from cousin of jaw, which by the way very excited to see cousin of jaw in the audience I was just thinking about you cousin of jaw recently and going. Oh man. I hope he finds our new show and he did So i'm very excited about that. Um, we got don't underestimate bixby The flip side Any any of these jumping out to anybody is a good show title. There's a lot of them. Geez I mean a shoebox of foldables is kind of is I mean a shoebox of foldable I do think a shoebox of foldables is probably the best one Plus plus then plus then we'll always know that that was max's episode All right, cool. Um, well excellent. Well, so we're gonna shoebox of foldables even though that was the winner But that's awesome. I hope everyone liked the uh, the new emails. I worked very hard on this by the way, so It was great I I so it's so I messed up because I was reading off the sheet and then I scrolled and because there's so much in the Sheet that it just scrolled up and then I was like, oh wait a minute Run run run got me this week because I can just read the screen. So that was perfect. You're back there. Yeah, totally got me All right, cool. Well, um, I think we're gonna wrap it up because uh, we got a busy week going on And I got to go edit the show and get everything out But um, thanks everyone for watching. We really appreciate you watching live. You are the best Thank you to zoe in the chat. Uh our wonderful moderator who's amazing who uh and uh Yeah, we love you all. Thank you so much The whole android faithful crew. We love you. So all right. Well, we're gonna wrap it up. Thanks again max Um, win and max stay don't go anywhere. I'm gonna end the live stream But we still need to upload the stuff. So hold on Um, everyone have a good night because on a job. Great to see you. We'll see you all later