 or sushi, gas dishes. Hello everybody, if it's Wednesday, it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly. Joining me as always with a super high tech stream, it's Adam and John. Hey, what's up guys? Glad to be here as always, every week. Yeah. Yeah, just every week. All the time. All the time, just like you would expect, that's what we do. Definitely not sitting on a hotel bed right now. Nope, that is not what's happening at all. Don't worry about it. Don't ask questions. It's fine. We're going to talk about, I'm trying to bring up the actual stream on my phone. Oh, right, okay, yeah. I was very, oh, look at that. I was very responsible in doing that beforehand. But anyways, so while I'm doing that, here's what I'm going to say. We just came from the stream. You can see it. It's up here. Sorry, it's up there on this side, this side. It's over there. You get it. One of those two directions. One of those two directions. Yes. So let's talk about your first year overall impressions. What did you think? You came in late. No, I was there. Had to pee really bad. And then came back in. I saw you come in the second time. That's why I was like, wow, you just rolled in. Because they were talking about 10th edition rules. And I was like, this is my time to go in. Oh, wow, wow, wow. All right, so what'd you think overall? What was your general impression of the whole thing? I got two things. First of all, I'm impressed that they, it seems like they show more stuff, more models, each of these big reveals. It's like gradually going up, so it's becoming a grander and grander thing. And then the actual reveals in the video clips, the actual short snippets of the footage they're showing us, is getting grander and grander. And the music is getting more and more cinematic. Yeah, and I can completely understand why that is useful if you are watching it at home. But I think that watching it through the hotel PA system and whatnot, not so great necessarily if you're there. Yeah, that's the one downside, I think. But I mean, it's cool that they're making it, like the big animation, which if you're watching this now, you might not have yet seen the big, big animation that they're going to do for the new upcoming thing. I'm not sure we're supposed to talk about it. I don't know. I don't know, but it's too late now. Well, yeah, but I mean, it's probably the best one that I have seen. Like they did a great one when the Kill Team came out and they had the Orc Commandos and the DeathCorp Kreeg. That was a really cool animation. Like if they just made this a 90 minute movie, I would buy it, you know? Sure, sure. But it's obviously a ton of work, but like a super huge ton of work. But yeah, this one was really something I thought as far as that's concerned. Okay, okay. What about you, Vince? Yeah, overall, I thought it was good. It was a strong one. I cannot for the life of me find this my own stream on my phone, so I have no way to watch it. So hopefully don't, you know, I guess, don't be responsible in the comments because I have no way to admin it right now. I shouldn't tell them that. Oh, geez. Oh, no. What have I done? No, look, overall, it was really strong. It really was. Is it actually working? The internet's working. I'm here. I've got internet. It still says upcoming online. No, it's working. We're live. See? There's all the people talking right now. That's mad. And they can see you. I don't know. There we go. It's working. Okay, cool. Well, here. Confirmed. Yeah, I'm gonna borrow your phone. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. At any rate, here we go. I got it. We gotta maybe mute it. Yeah, we gotta mute you or mute you. There you go. All right, so let's get into the specifics. We've messed around enough. Okay, so first of all, stuff that they already, there was like, I've just got the stream up running here to have something on the other stream. So let's talk about it. We're gonna do this in order. And we will cover all the stuff. We're not gonna go as deep on the 40K stuff. We'll talk about it a little. We'll get super deep on Horus Heresy, though. Of course, as always. As we know, this is a pure Horus Heresy channel. So we're gonna bring you nothing but the best. Yeah. I love how, by the way, John, was just, John has produced fireball randomly from his jacket. And first of all, you know those aren't really fireball. Oh, no, no, no, this is not, this says cinnamon whiskey. It doesn't just say cinnamon. Believe me, I've done my research. Okay. Number one, that. Number two, I love how at the beginning of this, you have to understand, John was all like, we're gonna keep Con John in strain. Con John needs to be kept in the cage. Right. And what night is it already? It's Wednesday night. And so it's Saturday. We're talking about having it started. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know what that means? Like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, you can be good. Okay. Yeah, this is like your second little bottle and you had a beer during the reveal. Well, a fan gave me six of these when we were at the meet and greet. So that's not my fault. Sure, sure. All right. So 40K stuff. They started out with the Lionel Johnson. Lionel? Lionel. Like that, yeah. He was the lead singer for the Commodore. Right. Dancing on the ceiling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you not go to hello, by the way? Right. His best song. Because hello is a single word. But dancing on the ceiling is... Sure. Dancing on the ceiling is a lot more fun. Hello was a bad one. Oh, boy. Dude. That music video. Yeah. Skullfinger's face out of clay. That horrible clay model. All right. Anyways, for those of you under the age of 40. No, Lionel Johnson, yes. The Primark of the Dark Angels. And yeah, like, okay, that model is legit amazing. Yeah. Right? Right? I mean, that model is legit incredible. I, and all the prep up and run up to Golden Demon, I'll be honest, I'm kind of, I have very zero little, zero to little desire to paint a Golden Demon, or sorry, certainly a Golden Demon model, but a game's workshop model in general for a little while. And then I saw that thing and I was like, well, I'm back on board. Yep, that's all it took. I like that he's an old guy. Yo, yeah. I mean, like everybody, like, just like, yeah. I'm like, hey, that guy looks like old and grizzled. And I'm like, I'm interested in that. No, I'm not going to paint one, but, you know, cause it's, I don't know what I would do with him, but yeah, for sure. Yes. It's very similar to the face of the, the vampire hunter father daughter. Yeah, sure. Remember that guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was super cool. It was very close. Good call. I knew he did look kind of familiar. I think you're right. There's a lot of, there's like somebody who likes sculpting older gentlemen in that studio. I wonder if it's the same sculptor. I mean, would be. You copy pasta and you make like 15% tweaks on either side. We'll never know. No, no, no. I was part of the team. Proud to be part of the team. That was that produced. Proud to be part of the team. That proud to be part of the team that produced this model. Yes. So that was the initial 40 K thing. I mean, obviously it's a huge big deal and to release another Primark, you know, one thing I wanted to say, and I, when they originally, like I was here when they originally spoiled a Rabute Ghulamon, right? And obviously he focuses still heavily in all the story and the, you know, big video later on was, was narrated by him. His voice sounds way more harsh, by the way, the actor, the voice actor they have doing his voice than I would expect him to be, but neither here or there. I feel he would be a lot more posh for some reason. Right. Yes. Thank you. Yeah, exactly. More like senatorial. Oh yeah, I like that. Because he's got those, all those Roman sort of things. But anyways. Latin, Latin. Yes, exactly. He's got those leaves growing. He's got those leaves, yeah. So at any rate, they, they released the original return Primark and you know, obviously they did like, they've now done three bad guys, two bad guy Primark. Yeah, you gotta balance it out a little bit. And I was like, I am amazed that they have not just completely regularly once a year released one of these, they haven't turned on the money printing machine. I know. It's shocking to me. Cause those things have to be like their biggest, some of their biggest kit sellers of the year. Do you think it's because of how long it takes them to sculpt and design, well design and then sculpt and all that kind of stuff that type of because he's not just like a dude. Right. He's like a dude and some other dudes and a bunch of other people and there's like a lot and it's like nearly a mini diorama. And I'm wondering if they're just like, we could try to crank these out once a year, but we literally have to take two years to work on each one or something. I think the sculptors probably have him in, so my understanding of how they work is for the really big projects, generally the sculptors will actually get about half a year to work on the thing. See, I always heard that it was like two years from idea to finish product. Which is true, but that's not how long it takes the sculptor to do it. Oh sure. Yeah, no, initially, yeah. Yes. So like from the sculptor to start from the, you have concept art before that feeds into them and then after them, you have then all the kidding and stuff like that. Like they already sliced this through. But my point is, I think that he would probably fall into the kit that's like this takes six months to make. Sure. Then it's a matter of how many teams do you have that can work simultaneously at projects of a certain level? Yeah, sure. How many sculptors do you have that you want to hand this thing to? Cause you're only gonna get one crack at those guys, right? Like you can't make another one for 20 years. Good sculptors and then like chuckle heads to some degree. I think it's probably, there's a lot of good sculptors, but you want to have like, you want to call in the A team. Like you want the best of the best to do these things cause they need to just hit, right? But this guy did, he was great. I mean, we talked about this a lot more than I thought we would, but it was just an awesome model. Like I'm legit excited to paint that dude. Like I was like, I was awesome. I want to paint him. Okay. Horace Heresy. I have written down a note here that says some narrative thing for Chthonia, which is apparently where Horace is from. I thought it was where Cthulhu was from. Well, that's, they share the same home world. They're in the same high school class. Ironically, yes. But they never really ran in the same circles, grew up in slightly different neighborhoods didn't meet until much later. In the third act. If all of them was from the long side of the tracks. Exactly. So, I started dating. Scoot for a little. So anyways, that's that, that we can move on. Kill team stuff was, I've written down here in my notes, kill team was space dwarves versus beastmen. Yeah. I'm not against it. Sure. Yeah. I'm assuming that the dwarves are basically like they've been doing on a lot of the kill team where it's old sculpts. Well, not that old because the squats aren't that old, but I'm sure it's old sculpts plus a sprue. Yeah. I think they said it's the hearthkin with new options. Right. So when they first launched the first box at the beginning of the season, both of those forces were brand new. Correct. Every box since then has been like old kit with an add on and then a new thing. Right. And in this situation, the new thing is the beast. Yeah. Cause he mentioned like you've got a jump pack and you've got the little medical gear and stuff like that to turn them into the little individual dudes instead of the normal hearthkin. And then you got the beastmen. So I guess, look, beastmen players. Rip. Take off the guns. Yeah. Exactly. Just take off the guns. By the way, my Cathy says, and John is a con, con John. There you go. So. Whoa, what? She is like, she's instigating improper kind of. You rotate from the firewall to a core. I don't know where you produced it from. I didn't see it. You came in with it. I'm pretty sure. I didn't. It was under the mattress. Yeah. Just producing alcohol. Yeah. But hey, look, yeah, AOS players, if you're looking for some sweet new beastmen sculpts, I'm sorry you haven't gotten anything else for a while but cut off them chain swords and guns, put on regular hands. You're good to go. What if you're a beastmen fanatic and you came to tune in. Beastmen stand. Stand. Beastmen stand. And you came into this tonight with Hopes High. Is this the worst possible outcome for you? No, it's great. It's a knife twist, really. I don't think so. When Zangor initially came out, they came out for 40K. I think they got bird heads. Before, yeah, but not everybody has the hatred of birds that you do. I like the birds. I just don't like bird heads. Sure. But when those came out, they came out for 40K before they came out for AOS. Okay. And a bunch of people just went and bought the 40K ones because it was just like it's a fantasy dude. Holding a gun. So he just didn't put that hand on or cut that hand off. Sure, yeah, yeah. Put in a sword and it was like, and we're done. He's a fantasy guy now. It's not like we're talking about the most work. All right, let's get to the AOS stuff, which is on right now. So, hey, there you go. We've caught up. Okay, so lots of information on the seraphon, which is what everybody sees on the screen right now. As I knew we would be, we perfectly timed this because this is a completely professional operation. We're nothing if not constantly professional. That's right. And I need more whiskey. So the, we got two new Kroger revealed. We'll let it die. Nope. And so we've got an updated sculpt of the regular Kroger, but then that box, which is a multi-part kit that builds both. You mean the Crocsigores? No, no, Kroger. Oh. There, there, there. The French Canadians. Oh. Yeah, the Kroger. So the other bill of the Kroger is the war, war spawn or whatever. Bigger guy. War or war? Yeah, they got Pokey sticks. Pokey sticks, right? Pokey sticks, yes. Yeah, okay. So you got, It's age of second mark. But it's the, it's the single box that builds both. Okay. Then we've got, and they were up on the screen a minute ago. There you go. There's your regular Kroger. We've got the Grandin guys, writers. That's not what they're called. Lancers, that's what they're called. I got a bunch of sticks. I do read my own writing. I got a bunch of snacks at Kroger's before I came here. Yes. Absolutely. It's great. They got a, they got a good rewards program at Kroger's. And so you got these Lancers, which are big. And that's the thing that doesn't show in the picture. They really hone in on that. But they, you'll see it kind of here in a minute. Probably if they show you some of the things against each other, but they're, they're bigger. This is the heavy cab. Meant to be like three in a unit as opposed to five. Though they did clarify that these replace the old Soros cab. I thought it was really interesting. I don't know if I just had like a space out moment that they were the same cab as the ones that are the, the birdie ones. Yeah. And we're just a different unit that was new to the army. It's actually an entirely different kit because the scale you can't tell based on the pictures. I wish they would have put both of those side by side. So you could see how big these suckers are. I know, yeah. They did that later with some of the 40K stuff. They did. And they put them next to each other. I didn't even notice it till Vince pointed at me that said that one's smaller than that's the old one. I noticed off, off topic a little bit. I noticed because I, as soon as I saw the three of them up there was like someone's head in the way. I couldn't see the text on the bottom. I'm like, are they seriously still making the storm vultures where you got to drill the two holes in there just sort of randomly into that oval. And then I'm like, oh, that's the old one. Okay. Yeah. You know, he's a good millimeter and a half taller than new ones. Totally, totally. Oh, don't worry, Desi. No, but we'll talk about it. We'll get there. My dog. We've got, we've got all the hot juice for you. Don't worry. Hot grass. We've got the hot grass. We're going to tell you what's going to, we will peer into the future of this stream and tell you everything that's coming because we just sat through it. So we saw all this before. Yeah. Okay. So then you've got the scar vet on agrodon, which is a standalone kit. So that'll be a standalone hero. He's a big boy. He's Lord on Carcadrack size. That's what they made. I don't, I don't, I think he's probably closer to the Lord of Ternus in terms of the base size. Sure. The same guy, same size. Oh, I thought the Carcadrack was wider. They're both on the 92 by 50. Oh, okay. Yeah. Let's take it back. All right. We were all in agreement. So then, okay. So, and then the Seraphon, as you see here, again, just nailing this. They get a new launch box. So they'll be just like S2D launching with the box. That new box, what it comes with is everything you see on the screen here, which is all the models they revealed originally. So the first wave of reveals, new Saurus, Slon, and then the new Bird Mohawk riders. That's your, your launch box. So 10 of those riders, a Slon and 10 of the new Saurus warriors. And then it'll also have the new Battletoam in it and everything like that. So, you know, just like, hey, what's up, Scott? So it'll be just like, just like what we got with S2D. Right. Cool. I think it's interesting that for all these new models, I know we're seeing some stuff that is different from this, but there's a big push on Seraphon, on the really mealy, get in there, bring it to them. Yeah, yeah. Not so much the magic side. Yeah. And I'm curious about what that will mean for the army. Hopefully good things. Do you think they'll bring in, because in the Seraphon that they did for Warcry, there's a lot of below guns in that. So it was a lot of range stuff. Yeah, sure. So I'm just wondering if they're gonna maybe do some of that maybe going forward. Like we didn't see it here. I was wondering if it's something that comes after. Yeah, 100%, I mean, Seraphon is and always will be a mixed arms force. Like it's just meant to be because the sheer number of war scrolls, even with them retiring some of the old kits, it's still like a 55 war scroll army, which is just crazy. So like you have to have mixed arms. Like it's gonna have ranged people. It's gonna have magic people. It's gonna have melee people. It's just how do you wanna fit that all in? I'm very excited about a new Seraphon book because frankly the current Seraphon book is trash and ridiculous and impossible to play. So it'll be really good to get a new book. Okay, so that's all the Seraphon stuff. And we just saw SBG and OBR. So Soul Blight, Gravelords and Ossiarch Bone Reapers are our next two books. This was a surprise to me because we all expected the next two to be Ossiarch Bone Reapers and Fleshier Quartz, the two oldest death books, right? And we thought, oh, Soul Blight had that book just before the launch of third. So they'll probably just let them roll. Nope. I don't much like this model. You don't like this guy? And I like the OBR, but the previous guy to this who was the more... He's on the big skull? Yeah, he's on the big skull. He's understanding the big skull. He's got that thing floating up in front of him and I just cut all that off. I'm like, he's just doing this. You could just cut all that off again. You don't have to put this piece out. Yeah, but I gotta buy it, don't I? I'm gonna tell you one thing. You've seen one boner boy, you've seen them all. And this looks like a mage boner boy. No, he basically is. It could be a special edition model that's a different version of the existing guy. And that bothers me, but... I assume he's a 135 point single-caster hero with a single special ability. I mean, $45. When they said that he is the one that constructs the biggest and most brutal war machines of the army, I'm like, oh, so you're telling me that it can bring back the harvester? If the harvester dies, he can resurrect him? And then they were like, nah, he does some buffs. Actually, he can heal your guys. And sometimes he can give your guys some buffs. Like, oh, yep. All right, and then so obviously also on the Soul Blight, Gravelord's excited to see that, frankly, I'll be honest with you. I don't love the way the Soul Blight, Gravelord's book is constructed. It's kind of soured on me over time. I think there's a lot of room for improvement there. Seeing all the, like the third edition books made it look worse in comparison. So I'm happy to see that army get a new book. Not a big fan of the small leecher. Okay, yeah, like legit, let's talk about Evia Volka, okay? So this is, I'm excited about her. Really? I am, okay. I just don't want to see extra bats. I just- Here's the trick. Yeah. Here's the trick. I want you to picture that model. No, no, just cut them off. I'm willing to bet it's like, don't attach them. Because I bet like the bats probably have barely any actual points to her. They're attached to half of the handle of the axe. So you just get to attach it. Yeah. Or you get to attach it. Well, like you can see in the back how few touch points there are. So my guess is it's pretty easy to just snip a few little places. Right, but again, I gotta buy those. I'm just saying like that- Oh, I want all the bats. I'm gonna use some bird- That's a good bat. Because the vampire guy with all the bats in their hair, I was like, yeah, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna put a different head on that entire thing. Sure. Or why am I bothering them? The thing to me that jumps out about, I love that model. I love Evia Volka. I just hate the bats, okay? And so what I want to do is just, I won't, I'll keep the bats. They're great for like a display board or a diorama project or something like that later. You just get a little draw and you just keep the bats in there. Yeah. Oh, I legitimately have a bits box of critters. Sure. I have a critter bits box, you know, bats and all the little nonsense and owls and little bug things out of Seraphon and all that stuff. So I never put that crap on the base for an army. I'm not paying all that extra crap. Right, no. Get out of here with that. But when I do like a diorama or a display board or a golden demon piece or something like that, hey. You just go into the- Money in the bank. I'll tell you from my golden demon piece for this year, I wish this model was out because I would have loved those past swarms instead of having to use all the criss- Oh my God, yes. That are just like, it's like a wide variety of sizes. It's so sad you didn't have that bat-tone because you could have set it right over your diorama with a little shoulder and it would have just been like this perfect frame. But yeah, anyways, such is life. I'll say that I really want to get a 3D print of Michael Jake Fox's face and then I'll put it on her body and then I get Teen Wolf as my leader with the wolf legs because she's got the big giant hat. She's got the wolf legs, but she's a vampire. You can have a whole themed army based around Michael Jake Fox's variety of movies and she's a hero, just saying it's an opportunity. Well, we do have to go back in time. Yes, exactly. So, and then the third reveal for AOS was what we just saw right there, which is the Free Cities. We got a little bit of a taste. Teaser. We got to see our first state troops effectively. That's what we're gonna, that's what I'm calling them because that's not actually what they are. They are just like, they're the militia troops, the basic guys. That's what they explained in there. It's your dudes. Yep. It's your dudes. You know, and this leads me, so here's my notes and Adam, I want you to see here what I wrote. I'll show the audience as well. This is my notes on this piece of paper. And then on this side, I have written the words ask a real question, which I wrote in big letters in response to everybody asking dumb questions. Well, so. And then I wrote ask about what you saw. Yeah, no, here's the issue. So, in the live show that we watched, there was a bunch of stuff, yada, yada, yada, yada. And then they're like, and now it's time for Q and A. Right. And what, a fifth of the people got up and walked out. Yeah, and he's like, no, there's no, he's like, people who are walking out, there's no way we'd have one more big, giant, unbelievably ridiculous thing to show you. What this tells you though, is that people hate the Q and A. They do. Because you know why? It's because someone just stands up and says, when are you gonna make plastic sisters? And then they're like, four years ago. And it's just the same joke that they can't answer. So, the fact that they did the Q and A and then revealed something after that, yeah, no, it was a, it's like the people, if you ever go to a Marvel movie and then the credits start to roll, people get up and I'm like, seriously, you know. You have to know. Nick Führer's not on any time, but yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. So, okay, the city's reveal, it was like, these are the line infantry. They did answer a nice question here during the Q and A that I thought was really helpful, which was the faction will be mainly human-focused, but not all human, which is good. So we got confirmation that, I think there was some concern out there that new cities of Sigmar would just jettison all of the non-human pieces, like the dwarves and elves and everything like that. So they'll be aliens then. Correct, yes. Just jettison them straight up. But they said, nope, Eddie said that the thrust of the force is human, which makes sense, because it probably is now. Like, if you look at the book, the majority of War Scrolls are over here. Sure, by unit numbers, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But then the other things will still be there. And then we got this roadmap and I'm ready to reveal to everybody what this red book is. Oh, you know it. I don't know it, but I know it, okay. All right, here we go. So obviously we got our roadmap. We know Corrin slash coming out this weekend, basically, right, Bone Reapers and Grave Lords, they said in the thing, you won't have to wait long. Like Eddie's comment was what, a few weeks, couple weeks? A few weeks. Yeah, two, three weeks, something like that. Which is shocking, I did not see SPG this quick. Yeah, so I mean, we're gonna be rolling out these books, right, so exciting. And then Summer, we have the Seraphon book and Box said and all that, New General's Handbook, yep, we knew that. And then they said, and also this third book, we won't talk about what that is, okay. Until Whenever Fest. It's like, yeah, sure, they'll show it at Fest. But like, to me, that's such a nonsense misdirect. It's completely obvious what that book would be. Of course. It's the new narrative book. Cause they did, they did a season of war. They did like a season of war, Thandia, at the same time in the edition last time. So it would be time now for season of war, I assume, Dalit, since that's where we are. And we've spent the two GHBs in that. So I- You need to finish that up before the next GHB comes up. Right, yeah, like, I mean, wouldn't it just be the next narrative book, right? That's what it would be? I mean, it's not like they would announce the final book of their certain arc, and then the new edition in the same reveal show, would they? But wait, it's still good in the next edition book. Please buy it. So like, well, that's just it. At the end of sort of a thing, you want to put out narrative books because narrative books do have a longer time they can last. So at any rate, it's totally like, I would put even money on it, just being the next, like, whatever season of war if they're going to continue with that name, Gallad or whatever. So there you go. So that's, so we got a full roadmap and then they were like, and cities in the fall, like late fall, and you're like, that's an awful big space with no AOS releases. I wonder what could possibly go in that space. And oh, and then there was Underworlds. We got the weird hollow reveal, which is Stormcast Eternals versus Zinch. And you all will see the pictures come up for that. My guess isn't just a moment, if they didn't already show it. And boy, oh boy, what do you think of those Zinch models, huh? It's the closest to body horror, I think they've ever gotten in the age of Sigma or 40K. Yeah. There was weirdness. Yeah, at least two of those models are basically a butthole with legs. You're not wrong. Antique. No, that's antique. No, like, you're exactly right. No, I take that back. It's technically a butthole with legs and arms. Yes. Well, one of them has like five limbs and one of them has like no limbs. It is wild. Those new Underworlds, like the Stormcast for Stormcast, they're all wizards, they're all in the new Thunderstrike armor. They look good. We could set that for the last 10 years. Stormcast, or Stormcast. Yeah, I like the new Thunderstrike look. It's a good sculpt. It's a fun sculpt to paint. They got two guys and one girl in that mix. The girl is wearing the, in the picture they showed, she's wearing the face mask of the one from Dominion. So fine. Can we talk about Geonido? But what? Can we talk about Geonido? Oh, Geo, yeah. No, yeah, yeah, Geonido. So, yes. So the one lead Stormcast guy, he's like manipulating rocks. He's like, on the base, everybody will see it in just a few minutes probably. He's like lifting up rocks, right? With his mind. With his mind. Yes. Okay, he's like mind rock control. And John leaned over to me and he was like, he's Magneto, but for rocks. And I was like, Geonido. Oh, all right, that makes sense. My favorite Pokemon. My favorite Pokemon, yes. That one's an expensive one, can you get it? Yeah, if you can evolve it though. Yeah, once you evolve Geonido, he can really become super good. Yeah. I think we need a hashtag Geonido and just put that in the mouth. I'll put the hashtag in the show description. G-E-O-N-E-T-O, Geonido. Yeah, what it says on the 10. That's right. Yeah. So, yeah, like the Zeench thing is truly the craziest Wackadoo Zeen sculps, although I love the character. What's his name? Ephemeral, Ephemeras, something like that. Randy. Yeah, well, that's his first name, but we don't... He was like... His friends call him Randy. The first intended of a Herald or something. Yeah. But yeah, he's certainly a striking model. There's so much going on. And he's got the weird, like he was made by AI long-ass neck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? 28 fingers. Yeah, lean into it, G-E-O-N-E-O, just lean into it. I'll tell you what though, he had a decent amount going on, but the sculpt was actually pretty clean. Yes. Like I was looking at him and immediately thinking about painting him. The face being that like blank, strange face, just kind of pulling to nothingness. Think about how much money they could save if all of the chaos and the sculpts in general were just done by AI. That's coming like next year. Who means less than 12 acres? I've seen chat GBT4, yeah. It's crazy. I've seen the future. That thing passes the bar exam in the 90th percentile. Yeah, I saw that too. Anyways. I can't do that. Yeah, not at all. But at any rate, but the sculpt itself was relatively simple, like pretty flowing robes. He didn't have like, unlike most zinge things, he was not completely overburdened with the jangles and bedangles. Yeah. And he has forearms, right? Yeah. Okay. It's very difficult to have a pose where it's very, like there's a lot of forearms. Yes, not these. These. He's got four forearms. Oh, geez. Yeah. So, like the general pose and the anatomy is very elegant and smooth, right? So you just look ahead the toe, but then to do it with forearms that are all coming out of different angles and not just be a mess to look at, right? It's very difficult. And one's holding a big fat feather. And one's got a staff. The one's got, I don't know, quill. I didn't, I forget now. It's like, it's that much stuff. Cause it doesn't matter because it's just, it's interesting and it doesn't draw you into this pose where like your eyes cross because you can't focus on what to look at. I don't remember what to do. I don't remember any of that. I just remember the butthole with like that one. You could literally could not look away. Yeah, it's just like, it's drawing. Yeah, it was, yeah, yeah. But anyways, yeah, they were really good. I was hoping we were gonna catch up here cause now we're running a little ahead of them. A long, long, long time. Yeah. I just wanted to show the picture. Yeah, they gotta just dial that back a little bit. But at any rate, they're really good. I mean, like as all Underworld's models, Underworld's models have been classically, or classically have been and certainly will continue to be, there's like the source of some of the most unique, original, interesting, different sculpts that end up in AOS, right? No. Do you think it's because they are almost kind of one-off? Yeah. To some degree? Yes, 100%. It's because it gives the sculptors, like I'm positive it gives the sculptors just like licensed to go nuts. Sure, yeah. Right? Like the direction I was probably like, we want the, like the idea that started that was, we want the craziest zinge warband just ever. It's coming up. Yeah, here we go. Okay, good, good. We managed to delay. They've also continued the two-word mishmash of random Warhammer words to make the next name. Yeah, yeah. Weird hollow or whatever. Yes. Look at that guy, that girl or it, I don't know that person. It is wild. Being. You know what I think? I think like, okay, so you've seen the store or the show, what's the show? Were there in the store, the big store? It's like a make- Superstore? Superstore, okay. So envision you're in the room for the super store where you, at the staff meeting, right? Yeah, sure. And then every, and then the store manager comes in and he's like, okay, everybody hears what your job is for today, okay? Sure. If the store manager says to you, your job today is to sculpt the next underworld warband, you're like, yes. Yes, that's a win. Yes, yeah. Right, you don't have to clean out the toilets. Right, right, right. That's not knocking off Hornet's nests from around the store. That is trying to get puppies adopted. Yeah, that's correct. Exactly. I feel like whenever I see these, it is you're in middle school and you have PE and the PE instructor says, today we're playing dodgeball. Sure. Right, and you're like, yes. Sure, sure. Like back in the day, they used to do that with the designers to some degree because there used to be those kind of extra games that they would like put out that were like almost one-off a little bit. Yep. Remember, was it the, what about the orc bombers over the Sulphur River? Oh yeah, sure. Yeah, that's something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those were basically just like, we know that you've been doing all this jazz, but you're good to do this too. And maybe that's the same thing that kind of goes on with the soldiers for Underworld. 100%. So we still haven't seen the picture of the... I know, they keep showing everything else, except the zoom in on the actual Orban thing. You're looking for legs and buttholes. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. Trust us, it's coming. It will happen, I promise. This is like a hot tub stream on Twitch, guys. I mean, just trust us, it's coming. They might have changed it since we were downstairs. I don't know. Yeah, they like it. This did not test well. I don't know, this isn't weird. Too much, it's too much for everybody. Quick, call for something else. Listen, we've been doing nothing with fish and chips in this guy. There they are. Yeah, so these two. Guy on the left, guy on the right. Both of them just make their own decisions, I'm just saying. Sure, yeah, yeah. But overall, these guys are great. I really, really like the central character. Like, I think they are super cool. Yeah, I can't focus. F, Ephilim, Ephilim's his name. Ephilim's pandemonium, great name. So yeah, super great stuff. All right, and then the final reveal. The final big reveal. So we did a little Q&A, people left foolishly and then they were like, don't leave, blah, blah, blah. You morons. Obviously, we talked, they were like, they were like, hey, dum-dums, we talked about 40K for 10 minutes. You don't think we might have something else to talk about here in this three-year cycle time period? Right. And so, of course, yes, they announced 10th edition 40K. And the reason I wanted to talk about it here is because I honestly loved everything I heard. So the things that they told us were, one, so it's a reset of the rules. Simplified, but not simple. A lot of what you looked at was like, oh, okay, we're learning from AOS. A lot, like when I looked at the data sheet, which I just call a War Scroll, right? It felt a lot more like an AOS War Scroll to me. The way he was describing, he's like, oh, we got rid of all the stratagems and now it's just like you got- Well, no, they didn't get rid of all the stratagems. No, he's like, we got rid of all the, this big list and now there's like this little set list you use or however he said it. And I was like, oh, that- Sounds familiar. It sounds kind of familiar. And I was like, everything he was saying, he was like, you know, Mike shared, I mean, they shared quite a good amount about the 10th edition stuff. Yeah, they were definitely very, yeah, for sure. And so they were like, very much you were feeling like the AOSification, that's what I felt. Now, I could be wrong. Sure, I mean, yeah. I don't know, okay. Well, I think that it's a situation where they have to like, and I've been kind of suggesting that this was going to be the case for a while. We all remember what happened with the 8th edition, where it was like a simple, not its implication, but again, like a streamlining and then they had the indexes. Yep, sure. So yeah, we're- No templates. That was another point. Right, no templates. Right, and that too, that's a good point. Templates are not coming back. But at the time, like recently, I've like, you know, if 10th is going to be coming out, which I assumed it was. Sure, because we all know that it's on a three-year cycle. Sure, exactly. This is not a surprise to anyone, but we're like, you know, here's the deal. Probably, if they're going to try to simplify things, which they kind of need to because 9th is a bit of a mess. If they do that, it would be smart of them as well to do indexes again. But my thought process is like, that's a bummer, because then you got to buy these done indexes. But then they said, at launch, all the points and everything will be digital and free, all the rules, all the rules, not just some simplified version, all the rules. Now we don't know what that means yet. Sure, but that was the statement. Yeah, you're right, you're right. Verbatim what he said will be digital and free, and all the indices for, and all the indices will be digital and free. They'll also print books, so you can go buy it if you want to go buy the books. Sure, but if you don't want to, you don't have to. If you want to buy a single page, basically bring down to say, if you want to play all the Marines, if all the rules are on one page. Yeah, that was the thing he really pressed on, like, no more will you, like his, their statement is no more will you ever need multiple books or multiple pages effectively to play an army, like multiple, you'll need the data slates and whatever. They use the term spread, which technically means two pages. You open it a book and that's a spread, yep, but the idea being like, I guess what he said was like army rules and this is your one page like what you do, and then one page of your stratagems, and then you've got that and your actual, again, I'm just gonna call them war scrolls because that's what I think of in my head. I know they have different names, it's 40K, but like, but that, that's it. And he was like, you know, when we come out with something more specific, I don't remember what his example is, some kind of ultramarine first company thing or something like that. Yeah, yeah, so this is the actual like launch trailer for it, which is super long. Yeah, it was the thing. Like it was for long and it was very action packed. And I remember saying to my friend who was sitting next to me, I'm like, again, make this into a 90 minute movie, I'm there. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. And so like the nature of that, so all those indices are free. Oh, and then they also talked about combat patrol, which will also, which the new combat patrol so it's like the 500 point level, but all the boxes for combat patrol have been relaunched against each other. And they're meant to be, that like it's totally commander pre cons. Well, yeah, exactly. So like in the past in playing commander, or sorry, not commander, in playing combat patrol or any kind of game that's more skirmishy based, you're still building a list, whether it's on like in war cry, you've got a thousand point list in a kill team you've got like this, use these things, but not these things and blah, blah, blah. But from what it sounds like, it's there like by the box, that's the list. So there's no tweaking, there's no messing around. You just go, buy this box, boom, and they should be balanced against each other. That's, I think kind of brilliant. I agree. It's the commander pre-con experience, right? You want to be able to go to the store, buy the box of magic cards, take it back, open it up, shuffle them up, play a game. And this is the same thing. You go to the store, you buy your combat patrol, and they're all balanced against each other. I can play my combat patrol against your combat patrol. All the rules for it are free. So your only investment to get into combat patrol is that one box and you're good. And you don't need, I don't, well, they didn't say it. I'm assuming you don't need a Kodax. I'm guessing they have those. Yeah, I think they, maybe it's in the box or in the box or in the box. I think they'll like, it seems clear that they want to keep all the rules for that free to just keep that barrier of entry as low as possible. If you think about it, cause I was looking at the combat patrols just a little while ago, like before we started this, you know, back, they're all like around 160 bucks. Sure. But if you're like, okay, that's 160 bucks, but I don't have to buy a book or a Kodax or anything. Right, this is it. That's the case. That is your investment, that thing. And it's wild that this was just thought of now. I know, right? Like how many years this technology has been available to us since the advent of math. Right. However, we've never figured it out. Yeah, the idea that like literally all you're going to do is you're going to play this box. This is the box. Buy the box, play the box. All the boxes are balanced against each other. Did they say anything about like the size of the game as far as like physicality or anything? I don't know if they did. Yeah, I think they did. But it's such a simple thing. The only tweak that it took was we are deciding that instead of focusing on the contents of the box to be equating to the price tag of the models on the box, two, same models can even go in this box, but we changed their point level within our game to where the point level equals out within these confines of the box to equal the points and dollar amount. Yeah. And it's a simple equation, but... But they also did say that combat patrol, well, okay, it's the same game. Yeah. But yeah, combat patrol is like the same game, but slightly simplified. Like some of the... The data sheets are slightly simplified. That's what they're saying. The rules are the same. The rules are the same. That's where you go. Same rules, some of the data sheets are slightly simplified. Like the extra weird abilities, they might take some of those off and maybe even for balance things, change some of the stats, but the stat line is different too than it's been for the last 20 years. Do you notice that? Yeah. Well, it feels similar to if you ever played like a game, or they're a board game in a box or a game you've kicked starter and it says, the first time you play this game to learn it, don't institute this rule in this room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you learn it. And then the next time you come back and you feel good about it, then you can institute rules three and four. Because... That is that version of the game. Yeah, because combat patrol, or sorry, kill team is not a particularly good in... It's not a good on-ramp to 40K. No, exactly. And that's what they're looking to do is on-ramp you on a 40K. Yeah. So this makes a lot more sense, for sure. I think their understanding finally that a good standalone skirmish game in Warcry or on kill team should not be your on-ramp. Right. And that's what they tried to do for years, was to make that the on-ramp. And it's like, no, it is a unique style of game. It should live separately. Yep. So, look, overall, I mean, it's funny because when Eighth came out, I was pretty excited about 40K. We got a bunch of games in, we had a lot of fun. And then the end-to-see time period is really fun. We all enjoyed ourselves. And then basically what happened is over time, the game just got so freaking complicated and expensive and crazy that nobody in my group wanted to do it anymore. It just was too much. And so this has me legitimately excited. I have 40K armies. I'd love to see to actually put them on the table to be excited about playing it. And if it means that if they can provide me an experience that feels more like the, feels more like AOS, honestly. That's like my honest answer. Then I'm gonna be stoked. And for me, because I'm not super interested in pushing around 2000 points at anything, the concept that I can get into this and paint up a 500-point combat patrol, right? And then be like, cool, now I wanna do another one. It's totally different. That for me, it scratches that itch. And I think it's very smarter than to have both of those available. Absolutely agree. Yeah. And that was the reveal. That was everything. That was what they did. That is all of my notes. So overall, this was a big one. I mean, they went like an hour and 20 minutes. Hour and a half, something like that. This was long. They had a lot of content. I mean, this... Well, they also had two Q&As. Yeah. Like the actual end one, then everyone just stood up and left. I mean, they turned on the lights for God's sake. Yeah, sure. That's what they do with the bar when they want you to leave. I mean, you know. Yep. Overall, it was really good. Really positive that, you know, there's been some years I walked out of a Debtcon. I think last year was one where I was like... I left the GW preview last year halfway through because I... And it wasn't against them. It was just that last year, everybody had to have a wristband for the, you know, for the vaccine and stuff like that. And I was like, I bet the line is really short, right? Right. And it turns out I was right. So, yeah. But yeah, this is... Yeah, this was a pretty good one. This was really good. I like, yes, this is what we want. Fill it with all of the content. Actually show us things. Like I said, Mike had a real discussion about the... It wasn't just like, 10th is coming. And then they just stopped. No, they didn't. They gave us like meat. There was meat on the bone. He told us that the psychic phase is going away. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they actually... Like it was actual meat during the scrolls. Yes, they actually talked about things that are changing tangible, real stuff. Both lore... Oh, the background lore, by the way, is got its tier nids and it's a high fleet coming in from the western side of the galaxy. It's east of the west of the galaxy. Okay. No, there's totally a definitely east of the west of the galaxy. This leads to my third note. Everybody can see my picture here. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, see this? This is a galaxy. So, a galaxy is like a... It's a... It's a cinnabon. It's a big spinny cinnabon, right? So, the previous invasion had come in this direction and then one here and then one here, right? That's kind of the three... If you look at the tier nid invasion maps, they're kind of like that, right? And their point is, well, now this one's coming in from this side and I'm like, nope. Not at all worse. Those things rotate. The galaxies don't stay still. No, no, no, they totally stay still. The person who's on, like they're like, the people on the west side of the galaxy have never heard of tier nids. No idea! And I'm like... But how long does it take for the galaxy to stand? It's a globe. A long time. No, it's not. It's a big flat. They're not a globe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're a plane. Well, specifically... The galactic plane, I've heard that term before. Yes. This is the Milky Way galaxy. This is all happening in, obviously. It's the... Obviously, no matter how you have to. You say, Tera, you know what I'm talking about. But anyway, like, it moves. It does move. Now, you're right. How long does it take the tendrils of the... Like the outside tendrils of the Milky Way galaxies rotate? No, I don't know. Oh, a very long time. So you're on the, like, west side for, like, quite a while. But do you know how fast it's moving? Like, hundreds of thousands of miles a second. But you're going to say hundreds of miles an hour. No, hundreds of thousands of miles a second. But still, it's the west side. I mean, sure, in the broad scope of the universe. Think about how many signs they'd have to change if they started doing that. Like, come on, man. I don't know the speed of the Milky Way's rotation. I am going to look this up. Because you say that, but like... It's somebody in the chat knows. Emily knows. Sure, Emily probably knows. She does. But like, I mean, it's a hundred, like, million light-years across or whatever. I don't remember. But anyways, like, but my point is, is that the first tyrannic war or whatever was way long ago. Remember, the distance in between some of these events is, like, longer than all of current human history. But, like, you got the left side and the right side or the west side or the Nugget and the center and now it's coming in like this. And it's just pinching. There's just a giant pinching, right? Right? These are the new terminators. 200 million years to rotate around the Milky Way galaxy for Google. There you go. My point is, like, 8,000 years go by. It's in a different position. Something is moving. 200 million years is a lot. This is what? Maybe just a minute, like, 10,000 years. All right, but regardless, here's what happened. In that even a small span of time when we're talking about the rotation of a galaxy, the evolutionary tract of a species is so incredibly massive that it no longer looks like the tyrannid that, goddammit, I sound like a fucking lore guy. OK, I'm sorry. But their point is, is that a big giant, like, they're trying to scare you because it's like, oh, Leviathan originally came from the east side and now they're west side bodies. In the video, it was basically like, we thought we were winning and now we've realized that we're getting pinched. Basically what Robbie there was talking about. Tupac and Biggie Biggie are. When are they going to show the other? They didn't show the other guy. Because he's, like, two millimeter shorter and it's not even noticeable. Honestly, they fixed the gun. Yeah, the way it is, oh, no, I don't think I'm ever seeing that. They don't have the close ups here. The thing that you can tell is this guy looks like a person in a suit of armor on, like, a little weird squished cross. How does his shoulders get up there? Yeah, like, I just, I always hate it. No torso, no, yeah. So stupid. So yes, new Terminator. There you go. So we can assume, no, we did see a model. We saw a tier, no, what the hell are those guys called? A Terminator. Thank you. We saw those guys. So they're, I'm assuming the net, if we had to guess, we would say probably the box that comes up this summer is probably going to be a bunch of space marines versus a bunch of chariots. I would assume so. That would be a reasonable guess. They didn't say this. Maybe it's not. Yeah, it'd be weird. A reasonable assumption and. Yeah, Eddie did say if you want to see what some of the new figures are, what some of the things that we're going to be focusing on, maybe go watch the video again. And it's like, yeah, of course, you know, it's just like the horse heresy launch video where like you could go through and everything that was there is what ended up being the kids. There he is. Look at how dumb that looks. Yeah, look at the little guy there. I can hardly tell. Oh, I agree. It's that gun. It's not a huge difference, but it's mostly around the waist. He looks like the letter X. Yeah, no, they've always got that. Yeah, they definitely. The only advantage to that guy is that as he shoots, you can say X going to give it to you. Yeah, I mean, you beat me to the punch there. But remember what X is going to do. Yeah, sure. First we're going to rock, rock. Yeah, so anyway, there you go. That's the reveals. That's the adeptcon preview. Overall, good stuff. Thank you to everybody, them for all, for doing it and organizing this. It was a lot of fun. It was good. They had like a hype crew out. We first came in there. They were like trying to get more people in. There was a guy outside as a GW employee. He was like, why are you waiting in line for a badge? Come to the GW event. I'm like, it's a town crier around here, trying to get more people in, and I appreciate it. And everybody who was in the line behind that guy, who couldn't hear that guy, because the line this year was truly the longest and most insane I've ever seen it. For the preview. For the badge. For the badge, for the badge. Every year it gets more insane. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It went now out from the room in the hall where you get your badge out, all the way down, all the way down to the exit door on the, this is the whole length of the convention center, then wrapped, came in, went through Fort Waffle through the hobby area, and then back up all the way back up into the main drag. Yeah, I still haven't gotten mine because I'm like, I refuse. It ended just outside your room. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, they're, they're listening to us live. Yeah, exactly. We're just good, we'll entertain them. So anyways, there you go. That's our thoughts on the, the Adept Con Reveal Show. Overall, very cool stuff. Lots of like legitimately lots of things I'm excited about. I'm excited about apparently a couple of weeks for some sweet, soul-like, great lords and Oscar Bonrievers action. So maybe they're going to fold in flesh eater course and shock us a second time. I doubt it, but I hope what it means. I'll give you my, I'll end with my tin foil hat theory. Okay, let's hear it. My tin foil hat theory is the reason flesh eaters didn't get their book right now is because they're going to get some actual new models. They're going to expand that right now. God, I hope so. It's like four models the entire range. And they've got to know that's a problem. My theory is they knew it was a problem. They've got more sculpts coming, but they're like, okay, we're not going to just, but we can't, we can't, then we can't fit it in there where it's just like, because you got to get two quick books out in advance of 10th edition. So they're going to stack it after and it'll probably be like the winter book. It'll be the end of the year 2023 book, right? Because we don't have, we have it in autumn. We have nothing though. They always have like a late November, December book, basically, and we don't know what that'll be yet. So my guess is it's going to be FEC and they like launching that kind of death stuff there. That's when OBR came out for point of reference. And they often tend to actually like launch these things at the same time. Like corn has launched at the same time for three books in a row, like the same couple of weeks span three times in a row. So at any rate, at any rate, like, there you go. That's, yeah. So we'll see. That's my guess on FEC new models. That's complete tinfoil hat, but that's what I think. All right. Awesome. Adam, John, thank you guys. We'll be here next week. That's right. And we'll always be doing the show like this from now on, just randomly from the laptop, sitting on bed, just complete rando. Thank you everybody for watching. We really enjoy it or we really appreciate it. I hope you enjoyed it. Don't forget to hit like, subscribe, do all those fun things. If you want to support the show, do all the ways you can do that. 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