 Good afternoon, everyone. We are beginning our last roundtable for within this first virtual fair, more rural, more digital, on the initiative of the United Nations 1,000 villages initiative by the FAO organization. The first roundtable yesterday, we dealt with the political transformation, the political aspects of the digital transformation in the digital world, what have been the progress, what's the progress made. And we had also opportunity to discuss family agriculture at the second roundtable. And we have also heard from a very interesting experience in China and in India in e-commerce. And that was roundtable three. Right now, we're starting roundtable four. And we will be now looking at the approaches to accelerate this digitization in food systems and rural territories in Latin America, the Caribbean, from the perspective of the private sector and the businesses. And here we have representatives for international cooperation. I am Duclair Sternacht, and I am the regional alliances officer for FAO Latin America and the Caribbean Regional Office. And we have four panelists today. I will be introducing them to you. The first one is Josephine Corelli from MiniCorp. And we have Maria Camila López from Juan Valdez and Teresita DeMarco. And we have, I guess, from the Spanish Agency for International Cooperation. And we are going to maintain the same order for their presentations. And each presentation will be 10 minutes long. And so whenever we're close to the end, two minutes before the end, I will be letting the presenters know that they're out of time. And then we'll have some space for questions, answers, comments, and taking the audience's questions and comments, of course. I think we're going to be hearing from very interesting experiences that are very valuable for the theme of the fair. We're going to be hearing from our first presenter, director of a mobile technology company in Luxembourg. And here it's called TGO in our region. Josefina is Italian, and she now lives in Panama. And she is very committed to creating connectivity for rural communities in our region. And so, Josephine, you are most welcome. And thank you for being with us this afternoon. Please tell us what Minicom is doing to help us with connectivity. You have 10 minutes, and I'll tell you when you have two minutes left. Good morning, and thank you, everyone. Dukril, thank you very much for your introduction. I'd like to congratulate FAO and all its partners because really, frankly, this is very an interesting forum. And it's very, very current, and it's absolutely important. So Dukril has mentioned this, has explained what my company is about. I am delighted. This is a company very well known in Central America. We also are present in Colombia, Bolivia, and Paraguay as TGO. And so that's our flag. We are an operator, a white band, mobile one, white band. And we are present in the mobile business and communication. So we are at the very center of everything that has to do with what can we do through connectivity and digitalization to improve competitiveness and to do it, do as much as possible, and build these digital roads and super highways, and provide connectivity to all in the rural areas. There is something very important that we do, and it's important to share it with you and be here at this forum to be able to share experiences. We have ASG, and ASG very consolidated in terms of development and performance of our business based on the infrastructure. So even from the infrastructure that we have, and we want to make this very useful, more accessible, and more present for any group within any community, as you know, we are very dynamic, very demographically very dynamic, but we are very small. And we have a great presence of rural communities in areas. So for each one of us, the territory is a very important element in deployment of what all of our technologies and our... And so we have several projects that are dedicated to the responsible and creative use of internet so that we can these special social sectors are just for the first time ever being connected and being seen, they're being visible, and therefore this is part of our contribution. In other words, connectivity should not just... should just not only be a desirable channel, but it should also be a channel of opportunity. So let me tell you about an initiative that we are carrying out in Colombia and our connected women in rural areas are carrying out something very interesting, and this is the project I want to mention to you now. So, for example, this program has a lot of... several components connected women. We are talking about developing digital competencies, especially for women, Colombian women, and that's our focus. Especially women who live and function in the rural areas of Colombia. And we expect these capacities and competencies and skills will help them. And we're based on a general environment that has to be positive and that will be self-regulatable and that will provide practical and efficient solutions for the everyday life. But in reality here, we have something important to say. We have to think about women and its role and her and the role of women and what she does. Right now, women... the woman is the head of the household, really, of the family nucleus. And so these are women who can also acquire tools for management of their own home and also for the productive sector, for instance, in the village and so on, so that being another home. So, we expect to offer products for them to improve their productivity and to reach better employment levels also and to manage finances, of course. And of course, for them to be a reference in their own communities. And women are also responsible for the raising of the children and for their, they have to become aware of their own social responsibilities and within the family as well as well. So, these were all roles that were discussed and the relationship with connectivity. So, what happens when you acquire digital capabilities and how these women can use them to enhance the roles and to impact positively the roles that they have to play in their societies. And so, we have this program called Connected Women, which is also providing a platform that focuses on women who have no way because of budget or because of their location or whatever that they have no idea that they could learn through connectivity and grow with those skills. And another thing here is to strengthen the role of women as moderators and as mediators in their communities. And these women are also very exposed to what happens when they're exposed to connectivity. Basically, so we created a program which has several pillars. And so, this was during the pandemic and the consequences of the pandemic have been different in urban areas compared to the rural areas. So, we tried to use and provide some series of resources that could be adapted to the different realities. And so, we're not going to get into any details here, but yes, we did have some lectures and workshops and during the first cycle. And so, the minute that we had these lectures face-to-face, then of course, they are able to contribute active discussions on a face-to-face situation. And then the platform we will be visiting later is a web-based app that we developed with one of our foundations. And so, this really, I would like to dwell on this a little bit. We began in 2017 with GMSA. We asked all of the women in the different areas. We asked them what they were interested in. They said, and what they are interested in is financial management and using tools for management that a small business, for instance. And so, this applies to rural areas. And this was very interesting because that's what women asked for. And here, we're going to mobilize a labor force that is very important that it's going to be making contributions to the economy. And therefore, with new dynamics of the agriculture and of the sector in general that are being developed in this area. So, this is going to be a double impact. And so, we're thinking of the rural program for rural women. And after all of, when we had all these conversations, first of all, considering the roles and then we thought about the mediator woman. What else can she do? And so, we got into the me conversations. This is a program that is in place since 2020 and we still have to continue to develop. It does have a series of conversations about how women could actually be mediating and good mediators in the community in a creative manner and using creativity in a different way, innovating. Maybe I'm only running already out of time. The use of internet at home, how to use, how to help the children and how they can manage their families and what opportunities they have. And of course, everything has to do with the household. And this gives women capabilities for them to be able to be part of a responsible digitalization of the family. And when I mentioned the platform, we've had some issues that have been suggested that we should deal with social networks and personal finances and finances for small businesses and also social networks for the family. So those are the four items that are of interest. And we also have when we can provide some financial access to certain credits or we have some plans for rural women where they can, it's a post payment plan where they, rural women can actually participate and we offer them connectivity in a way that is easier, faster for these women who are really, you know, for these women who are really, we have a special rate for them for the connectivity. It's a rural rate for women who are at a different distance and they cannot have a connectivity for their own digital emancipation. So we have some connectivity through this program. The 87,492 women have been connected since 2020 in the different departments of Columbia where we are active. And here you see the logos of the partners in this project. And we'll see where we're headed towards. For sure, we are valuing all of the areas of their communities. And this is an instrument that we can offer which is connectivity to all of these women who have been benefited. Thank you, Josephine, for your experience in particular with the challenges during the pandemic and that you carried out this initiative. Finally, the need for virtuality during pandemic made everybody want to connect and bridge gaps. And we have discovered the gaps and that the women in the rural areas have been facing. So thank you for your project. And so we are now with Maria Camila López. She's the manager for sustainability manager for Juan Valdez Café. Many of you probably know Maria Camila López is in Columbia. This is a very famous outfit in Columbia. And her work is very interesting with family farmers and young family farmers. Maria Camila, thank you for being here with us today. Tell us a little bit about that experience. You also have 10 minutes and when you have your two minutes to finish, we will tell you. Thank you very much, Duclair, for this invitation I am here right now in Chile and which is one of our dearest countries and very close to our company. And thank you to the regional FAO team for the invitation. I have to tell you what experience we have as a cooperative, not just because of the digital aspects but also we want to mention the alliances and how important they have been, these partnerships to create and to succeed to have successful initiatives. Since you don't really know about the company, I will give you some details because I think it's something very interesting to show you the impact of our business. So we have a company that manages Juan Valdez brand which is owned by the Fondo Nacional Coffee National Fund which is a para-fiscal fund in Colombia that manages the investments that are done for over 550,000 coffee families which are mostly small producers in the country. And this is very relevant because our company in the 94% does depend or the shares of the company come from our partners which is the association of coffee growers which groups a number of families and looks for the well-being and the wellness of these families. So we are now almost 20 years old and we have a very important purpose. It's not just selling coffee, premium Colombian coffee which is of course, is one of the great objectives that we have but that's not the main one. Everything has to be ultimately benefiting our communities when we are talking about a business that is present at 510 shops in 20 countries and we're present in over 30 countries and we know special shops. One of the models that has taken us to position ourselves is that purpose through the value chain. And I would like to tell you how we have been able to work on the digital ecosystem and how this has allowed us to generate a network through other allies. For example, we have been able to relate our beneficiaries or relate to our beneficiaries through the digitalization process and we have done it on two fronts. And let's look at this video first of all. This generation is transforming the world. Try your new coffee, the coffee for young entrepreneurs. So what you have just seen is the season that is just now finishing coming to its end in Colombia and it's going to be in Spain so you can all try it because in the next few months you're going to see it in Chile also. This was a campaign, it's a video that was there for about two months and what it does is it makes visible. It worked that we have been working on and doing since 2017 when we had this Renacer program which tried to strengthen and make visible and revitalize the leadership of young farmers who have been affected by exclusion in the past and who were part of communities that were formerly inaccessible because of the wars. And so many of them come from, are in territories that have excellent coffee quality and they're now becoming visible not only in Colombia but also in the rest of the world. And so here we have in this program 120 young people in the country and these boys and girls that you saw on the screen are the people who are part of the program. They're the true coffee growers, young coffee growers who have worked for this wonderful coffee that consumers are enjoying at home and elsewhere. And this is very relevant because these relationships are of course based on a commercial relationship we have 120 young entrepreneurs, young coffee growers who have bet on this company who have given us their premium coffee and we have been of course processed that in a premium manner and we have bought about over 550,000 kilos of coffee but I want to highlight and to be concrete about this how we have grounded this initiative by approaching this as a digitalization educating in digitalization. And we have, we see that thanks to that these people are now arriving and they're doing other important things that they couldn't do before thanks to connectivity now they're no longer just trying to get to the cities but they remain in their places and they have a great challenge because they don't feel connected the young people don't feel connected to the territory they don't feel that there are opportunities for them to develop themselves in the rural areas. So they now want to, they don't think they can develop initiative initiatives that are innovative and progressive. And so right there our purpose we wanted to develop two types of products precisely thinking of them one focusing on micro lots and we did some traceability with the support of an organization that is based in the US and it's very interesting because that way the young people could learn this technology they could become part empower themselves with it and they could put that tracker in the sacks in the bags of coffee and then we could trace the coffee once it went into the processing. And so thanks to FAO again we started with a project that we had and the FAO helped us and opened the way for us to be able to start the project with 60 young coffee growers in four municipalities in one department that is currently the greatest coffee producer in Colombia which is the Willa coffee which is very high quality coffee and amongst between men and women we have approximately the same proportion between men and women in the territory that's 30% women 70% men. And so through this project we're being able to strengthen the program and the approach is cross sectional in terms of digital alphabetization. And so we are aware that we need to strengthen the digital skills to be able to enable other empowerment in other fronts and so with Microsoft we have developed a digital alphabetization process which FAO is familiar with of course in Latin America and that has opened up some ways for the young people. Those who have very basic knowledge then they can access these basic tools that for us are obvious but for them they are just the door to put the foot in this digital world. And then there are some others that are more expert and that know a little more, more advanced two minutes. And so this is what allows us to with this diversity of knowledge and not level ground we can bring them all to another level of digitalization. And for instance, we're developing some projects with the Fundación Manuel Mejia which is the educational arm in Colombia. And with that foundation we have already shared digital courses. I've offered them workshops on entrepreneurship, productivity, different initiatives, creativity but in a digital manner. So we are dreaming that we can perhaps expand this program, not just in numbers of participants for more and more young people to be able to digitalize and participate and open up and amplify this model so that not just only for young people but maybe their parents and their allies can also become part of this and that the young people will become the leaders for this expansion. And I'm closing, this is one of the experience that we have, thanks to the experience that we had with blockchain. Now we're having other experiences in other territories. And just in closing, I can say that the coffee from the coffee growers, we have a great response. And from Juan Valdez, we have a great interest in helping to connect with all of them. Thank you very much, Maria Camila another very interesting experience from the private sector towards developing communities. And in this particular case, young coffee growers which have also interest and who are perhaps more inclined to learning digital and technological methods but if they don't have any access, well, they cannot. So it's great for them to be skilled and learn skills and learn about tools that can actually be offered through their digitalization. They can become better persons, they can become better leaders and they can definitely develop their citizen skills also and develop their own communities. And so I'd like to remind you all that we are we're live streaming this via YouTube, via Zoom. So if you have comments or questions, of course they're all welcome and you can share in the chats and we are systematizing everything and we will be sharing your questions and answers and we'll share them with the panelists. So let's hear from Teresita DiMarco. Teresita comes from a company that is working globally. I know that the company was founded in 2017 or 2018. She is in our region and she has offices in Argentina, Brazil and Chile, but Teresita is in Argentina, right? You're actually located, yes. And so she's going to tell us a little bit about the work she's doing in Guadalajara and for the development of systems that will be promoting technology for the agribusiness. And you have also 10 minutes and I will warn you when you're almost up with your time. Thank you very much, Declaren. Thank you to the whole team that has invited us to share our experiences. For me it is a very interesting experience to hear the experiences of other colleagues in rural areas, especially to hear about the impact that you're having in the rurality. And we have an NGO that works on a global level and has five funds. And we operate in Asia Pacific and Europe, Latin America, United States. And it is now expanding to Africa. Our mission is to work to develop and promote agri-food tech, sustainable ecosystems, capable to promote agriculture and promote human talent. For us it's very important to understand the value of Latin America and the Caribbean in terms within the global megatrends. We know that agriculture is about 5% of the region's resources and our region has about 36% of arable land and 33% of the resources of freshwater are in this part of the world. And so we also wonder what the role of family agriculture is in Latin America and in the Caribbean. We could say that it is indisputable that family farming is absolutely indispensable and we need to take into account the heterogeneity of Latin America, the fabric of Latin America. We can say that their exploitations or 80% of their farming exploitations are generating a very important employment sector and so they have about 57% to 77% of employment. And so that means that this is very, very important. We work as consultants for ecosystems and we try to promote, offer and supply and demand for our sector. And here we have a very important role. The demand for technology and the adoption of the right technology in this sector. And so this map will allow us to understand these agri-food tech ecosystems and you'll see that those are in blue are more advanced and they're operating. And the ones that you see in yellow are the sustainable. And what we have today is that we find a great difference in the southern cone that has developed technology and also the small producer of technology that is more advanced versus maybe other countries like the Indian region and the Caribbean where the small producer still does not adopt technology in totality or it's not familiar. The digital literacy is not there. So what happened this year with FAO? They called us from the Innovation Office in Chile their colleague from us that sent us the challenge of what are the limiting factors or the options to adopt technology for the small producers. So we have been working in the challenge and now we wanted to share briefly some of the progress that we are looking based in the interviews and the information that we are gathering. And what we found is the challenge of the scarce access to energy and infrastructure in the rural community and it's not less also the access to credit. The producers do not have access and also there is a market with excess of intermediaries and the value change in this case makes the value the small producer is left aside and the price that they receive is very low for the product that they are offering. And what is happening is that technologies are developing and they do not attend the specific needs of the small producers and the cost to adopt technology is quite high without mentioning that the cultural barrier of the entrepreneurs and the producers is immense and the producers in some countries we have also problems of languages for example in the Peruvian highlands that speak different languages and that are not able to connect with the entrepreneurs. So now what are the opportunities that we can find and that is very important. The technological adoption allowed some of the producers that were able to cross these barriers are now in a situation of making the information more democratic so they can access markets selling their products at a better value and this reduce the price arbitrage and this helps the fintech for the agriculture apps that allow them not to have intermediary so the small producers can have access to credit and also this closes the gap between the producer and the consumer and they are also uniting with local producers and this situation makes them apply better sustainable practices for their own agriculture. There are many the challenges and the opportunities but some of conclusions that we have had from this study is the need to have a stronger offer in technology and so how can we do this how can we increase the offer of technology to create connection spaces connected with the reality of the small entrepreneurs and this is where innovation has an important role in the area of connection among both parts it's also important to see create the visibility of the startups that are looking for technology that many of them die before they cannot interact and of course to work from the environment to build this type of needs and finally to close we wanted to let you know how to strengthen the demand of technology it's very important and we have been studying that there is an educational gap not only a cultural gap but also an educational gap regarding the producers and it's important to train the farmers so they can adopt practices that can give them better benefits to promote digital literacy and to accompany them they need the accompany to adopt technology and most often we have lost the connection with the reality of the rural sector and they need this accompaniment to adopt technology to provide fiscal benefits or other types of incentives that favor so the small producers can see a win-win and finally we cannot leave aside how we need to improve the connectivity and infrastructure so technology can reach these places so this is a very short summary of what we have done with FAO that truly it's a privilege to be here for us that we are an NGO that works directly hand in hand with the private sector and the entrepreneurs it's very important to understand the needs of the producers and this is why we are doing the study so this is what we wanted to present you this progress thank you Teresita just in time when do you think this publication will be ready in December we have to give the results so this depends on the Innovation Office of FAO but the idea is to generate to participate in panels and to show the studies and the data because it's very important for the development of the small producers thank you of course everything that is related with challenges and opportunities is very important and I'm sure it will have a better detail in the study both Medicom and Juan Valdez have felt in the two experiences that they have presented to us so thank you very much for the compliment and now we will go ahead with Miguel Angel he is experts of the Spanish cooperation for the development he works with public-private alliances and he will share his vision and the role in the digitalization of the rural world based on the Mexican experience Miguel Angel thank you very much for being here with us for two minutes and when two minutes are remaining I will let you know thank you very much Tuka and FAO for this invitation for having me in this virtual fair in this important initiative of a thousand digital ideas for Latin American the Caribbean that is linked to the Spanish cooperation agency especially in Mexico we have launched a very intense work with the confirmation of public-private alliances for the development in other areas that we had logically with the development of the 2030 agenda and the seven objectives especially in objective 17 but the logic that gather us together today I would like to say because this is what we what happened and maybe this is the first part is a bit theoretical because then of the three fantastic interventions now of a small desertion but I think it's necessary to try to understand of what we are talking about what is really the background, the context what surrounds this phenomenon that is absolutely necessary which is to work strongly and with a clear vision towards digitalization of the food system and I would like to ask myself what is it, what are we talking about when we speak about digitalization because I wanted to know what was necessary it was important to have an update about what we're speaking to answer to the second and third question how which gathers us today how we should move forward especially from the private initiative and here I'm giving you some hints with whom so to try to answer the first question you will forgive me I would like to bring the definition from the European Union which is important of what they call smart villages in this definition that you are going to see that there are different colors specifically so we can trace have a clear trace of where we have to move we have several things which are what happens in the rural communities that we want them to be smart villages why do we use those innovative solutions that we need to take advantage of the strengths and opportunities and we need to base in this exercise in a participative approach and someone had asked it's logic to know what is happening what the main characters will say what are we looking at to improve those economic, social and environmental conditions including in the yellow color digital technologies in the third part of the smart villages it says that they are based in cooperation and alliances and I would like to center a little bit more and it's maybe we have had more experience especially in Mexico but this definition also tells us where we should go and the three presentations that we have had are here in existing initiatives and we need a strategy of digitalization in a broader framework to promote development and the existing initiatives, the good practices of the companies or authorities and some organizations of the civil society or the cooperation agencies are spaces where we can start to accelerate this digitalization process to accelerate the transformation process for the development and in the last part that I do agree but it's a bit limiting all this exercise can have the public and private financing and I'll speak about this it's not really financing, it's resources with resources we can incentivate in some cases and in some rural communities it has shown that the less important is the financial resources what is more important are the relationships and it's necessary the knowledge but let's not go forward the second point that I wanted to mention when we speak about smart villages what means smart and I'm not kidding I think it's important why a village is intelligent and here in this presentation that FAO can have it and you can receive it with their reference what are we speaking when we speak about technologies that we are going to apply so an idea a town would advance well this technologies this digital technologies should be used when they are appropriate and necessary we should know the territory we should know what is happening what are the challenges that affect that rural territory it's not an end it's a mean and it's a very important tool but it's not the objective we should not get mistaken we should not confuse means and objectives the locals are the one that should take the initiatives of course this is very necessary we should not forget and when we have to design a strategy or initiatives to adapt them that have been successful in an area we should count with the local stakeholders we cannot think that any successful initiative in an area independently of the context is going to be also successful in another place it should not be so and again we see the need to create alliances and ways to cooperate I wanted to create an idea of what we are talking when we speak about digitalization when we speak about digitalization in the rural area and there I have been able to answer or there to answer knowing the what we can know the how so this is the guiding question how we could accelerate all this process of digitalization and analyzing the two definitions that I previously placed I would like to mention three working spaces one which is quite broad and strategic as you can see in the first bullet which is the design this exercise to design and identify and implement and a strategy of digitalization we have to be very clear what the roadmap is going to be in a concrete territory I repeat we need to find the correct road for the development through including technology digitalization transformation processes to focus in the development of that community you can see that I have colored the same colors so the ones they can see the color coded where we have the general strategy and applying a tool that is a strong like digitalization I define again the framework that are appropriate and the local stakeholders should have that program the other two items that you see that the other two bullets I have placed them at the same height but maybe there should be a little bit lower because it answers to the how how should we advance to identify the planning and the starting up building alliances and creating cooperation or multiplying the cooperation ways that we have and of course I have said before having existing initiatives so we have the how we need to have all the stakeholders involved and we need I would say if necessary with existing initiatives we should adopt what we have I think these three items are basic to advance in a digitalization process which is intelligent also please excuse me if I'm redundant because it's intelligent digital transformation as Lucas said at the beginning maybe what we have developed with greater strength and more impetus in Mexico in the last years is the generation of multi-actor alliances for the development for us it has been the public-private alliances as the name says multi-actor alliances spaces of work and relationship where we have all the stakeholders have something to say or to contribute in this process we have the governments the civil society the private sector it's the university the academia everyone that has something to contribute should be part of the space that we call we can call like multi-stakeholders alliances the references of this exercise the SDG 17 now that we have the objective the alliance is not a space of a dialogue just only to get to know each other two more minutes it's a space where the impact in the development is that element here I will just say it quickly to mention the experience the multi-stakeholders we can have more but this is stakeholders and capacities and resources and their expectations of this work in the left part you can see the private sector and we have in red the word trust this is the important field that we need to use so the private sector would like to involve in developing processes that are part of all this other stakeholders at the right through which through social responsibility this strategies being a responsible business you can see they are linked and the incentive trust and incentives what is the incentive that a company can have to be part and that is accelerating the digital processes a benefit for the business a benefit for a company they should always find an incentive in what they are doing I will not want to deepen here we can work more if we could we can speak other elements in how we have generated and we are one of the trust reference in Mexico I can share information about this and we can have other spaces and finally the existing initiative since 2017 in the state of here you will see this images with a lot of text but we speak precisely about the inclusion of digital resources so women that are chefs are cooks that have been vulnerable I have been object of violence by organized groups they are women that are alone they have created this working spaces small innovations that are being recognized and that are recognized internationally and a last image you see the logos the images of the stakeholders that have been part of this initiative that has strengthened a working space link to food to the consumption of products that in some cases were forgotten through a traditional cooking and in a framework of the development of a touristic development that has an important touristic attractive and there you see the railroad station and a Spanish station that has the know-how about the work with this women I will leave it here thank you very much very complimentary this presentation I like the part that Miguel said about the mobilization of other stakeholders for the same goal for the same objective within the territory in the case of digitalization the financing to have resources and having resources not only financial but other types of commitment that can have also important results so we have some questions now and we still have 20 minutes which this is good because we can specify the different interests of the audience I separated three questions of the many that we have received and each one can answer but I understood that the question has a profile so I will try to focus the question to one of the presenters to one of the panelists but if someone else would like to comment or to add an answer for example I would say that it's a very good question for her which is linked to the digitalization in the rural world more linked to the access and connectivity so the question is what possibilities are there that a private company or public bring satellite internet to the rural sections and aboriginal sections that are completely away from the digitalization I will go on with the other questions there is a question that maybe would be for Maria Camila in Teresita if the study level in education, the education of people it's a barrier for digitalization of small producers the digital literacy could be also an activity to have literacy in the digital world and in the both worlds and now let's go back to Josephina Miguel what are the three or four key elements to accelerate the adoption of technology in rural areas from the private and public sector that can be considered in a strategy of rural digitalization there are other questions that I was able to rescue so Josephina in three minutes if you can answer the question thank you Duka I think it's a good question I have my doubts that I can answer in three minutes but it's a reflection that I see what it reflects in the technology and Miguel Angel already said it personally I do not think it's the type of technology in the real world Teresita is studying with the amazing data they are gathering we do not need new technologies or I really don't think we have many offers right now to ask ourselves in this environment in the digital ecosystem that is made by the public the private and the academia what is the return why to the certain type of technology can reach more groups so what is the objective and what are the several elements that are very important the first and let's remember the techno phase it's always the deployment of infrastructure of any kind even the basic transportation and this is something that should not belong to a stakeholder not only to transportation or energy this is a joint effort to create the environment and I'm speaking right now and I shared a figure in the case of telecommunications the CAPEX and the 80% of the investment is done by the operator so what type of regulatory environment for example in the rural sector the times needed the times that are needed for example to have a maintenance of a network in the metropolitan area should not be the same as the ones that you apply to a rural area and this is a very simple example maintenance cannot happen at the same times or the same speediness public policy first and the regulation should fulfill the expectations of the return of energy and I think we live in a stage that is quite dynamic technologically we are in the fourth, fifth almost, sixth industrial revolution but now it's time that we can find a way that this can reach the communities and the means should be a public policy that really has an ecosystem for investment in the long run because in my experience and my company has been 30 years in the region and basically we have doubled investments because really what we want is a deployment of infrastructure of quality to remain that this is not a seasonal project and we have enjoyed so far and we are in multi sectorial which is another important element so the question really is not the environment and obviously the question here is the origin and there is an immense discourse that we need to respect of how this type of change can impact of the quality of life of contact is a big change we have to realize this because there are communities that are not so exposed like other ones to digitalization so there of course communities that yes there are but we have to move with multiple tools I insist regulation investment security of the environment and the proactive part of the private sector so the community can be involved in any area and digitalization Thank you very much Josefina Thank you very much I will start if you want what we have seen is that undoubtedly there is a huge challenge in terms of the general education in the countryside you know let's say that even the fact that they have already can read and write that's already something that has evolved in the in general in the world so now we have more communities that have gone through at least primary education but there is a lot of discrepancies in one same territory differences between one community and the other even between boys and girls or different groups of young people so you could have a diversity of levels in other words it's not homogenous at all you could have some that have professional studies others who barely have gone through primary school and others that are very productive in terms of skills and their projects and so on but what we have transformed ourselves is the because we have another project with another NGO which is Coffee Women and we work only with women 100% women and so we started we initiated our activities with the financial education activities and so we realized that women were not really a program that we had prepared for them and generated for them they weren't enjoying that that program we had generated with other associations with banks and so on so that the women were not ready to receive all that information about financial skills because they didn't even have the basic skills to even use the mobile phone or their computers and I'm not sure if this relates directly to the question but we did understand is that the digitalization has an alphabetization that has the very basic thing to have for then building on that and that's the reason why we had to reorganize the modules of education that we have and within all different projects that we have where we have beneficiaries of this sort and so in this case for instance we have a local community tourism where we saw the same thing as with the financial courses women had to use WhatsApp for instance which is a more simple way of providing a course even so that was very they had very basic knowledge the fact that they don't really have a great connectivity they wouldn't be able to they didn't know really how to use the tools and those are things of the territory and so we realized that we needed to go through these processes of alphabetization and then of course if we can extrapolate the same situation and so we could not really capitalize on their potential to be more productive. Thank you very much Kamila I totally coincide with what you've just mentioned I am so in agreement because I think in order to answer this question I think we need to understand what the objective is number one one of the objectives of education or the educational system one of those is to provide tools for people can actually be independent on their own they can develop themselves and introduce themselves into society a self help kind of situation and this means that many times the tools that we have to grant through to provide through the educational system those tools need to be these should be in accordance with the times that we're living so the digital education is part of the technical the tools that people need to have and that producers and societies in general need to have and manage everywhere not just in cities or in the countryside but also everywhere for the people can to be able to develop their own talents and their competencies because the tools are tools and they need to be provided the appropriate ones that are proportionate to the commensurate to the times that we're living in so now this is being observed and that's the reason why now we see many government programs that are focusing on education on information technology so very focused on that for a certain region and for instance that's the reason why in my country we are seeing how this is being implemented in the progress that is being made through the knowledge of the IT and the interaction that they can have through the IT so digital alphabetization is also very important we call that literacy also right digital literacy is the key and so the interaction is important but how can you interact if you don't know the technologies and this is what international organizations need to do jointly education has to be assessed and it should be managed and provided jointly by all the different players and that will be successful that's why this total literacy is a fundamental tool for the development of all societies and groups and communities and in the future for instance in the cities you have an advantage and in the places where this is not present we need to support it we need to jointly provide it and support that thank you very much and then again Miguel Angel the last question is for you ok yes yes I was hearing some elements that would be key for the adoption of the digitalization and taking into account the private sector of course I think that we have been given some very key keys the fundamental key is to know where we should begin to where we should start where we should begin to look even and maybe I'm repeating myself and maybe what others have already said of course knowing the territory knowing the environment that's key because we have to be very honest not to see whether or not the response that I have the answer that I have is the one that really matches them I really should know what's going on really and then I can design the responses that I can provide the answers that I have and so designing those answers is the important thing and those answers need in order for the answers to be efficient effective they need to be provided by the ones who really have the skills and the capacities we're talking about five players public sector leadership private sector they generate the conditions and that's their obligation right that's their mandate as a public player private sector has a lot of technical capabilities a capability of action the private sector knows very well how to resolve problems we have academia we have the international players for development there we see the United Nations for example we have all these agencies we need we also have the civil society organizations and these players this group of players must once we have identified the challenges that we have for development we should see the best answers and the best offers and how those need to be implemented and so knowledge and appliance of applications that come up not from an office not from a desk not from a logic that is just theory or theoretical knowledge we as an agency for several years now in Mexico we realize as an agency we realize that many companies business in the territory a lot more than the many of the cooperation agencies they were right in there established in those territories and they were much more granular in their relationships and they knew what was going on in those territories so therefore we cannot disdain the capacities of knowledge and response capabilities of some of these players who are in each one of those that are in one of any one of those five categories that I've mentioned and to finally I would like to mention two very basic elements for an exercise where we want an effective and efficient answer to and to accelerate digital transformation in the private sector we need to have offer trust and incentives we have tried and fought for five years to to bring down certain stereotypes and realities that have arisen from the understanding of the companies business towards the private public sector and vice versa we have mistrust misunderstandings what did we do we have made huge processes of dialogue to be able to generate a trust a trusting relationship and once we have achieved that then we can really work together and we can understand the different expectations that each one of the players does have those that are going to be working on the territory the capacities that we have the capabilities that we have that we are able to and willing to provide and share and contribute and this we need a facilitator that's the government for all they are the ones who make policies and we are not to supplant or replace the public sector and the same thing as the public agency cannot actually replace a business a private sector a business or anything or we need to know who we are what we have what we can do work together stay in our place not trespass over anybody else's and we need to this is not a magical formula but this is a formula that should be working if we put in put all those ingredients into place well thank you very very much and yeah Miguel and I think we have this meeting this last block of questions has been quite interesting and and it already opens the door to thinking about alliances and partnerships for us to really be able to develop the countryside the rural areas improve digitalization close gaps not with one player not only one player has the answers and not just one person can overcome the challenges and here we need to realize that more than one actor needs to be involved in the strategies of inclusion and rural inclusion and rural digitalization because this was even more developed during the pandemic and has now become an important aspect an important player in society and productivity and for the urban world and for the rural world but unfortunately we need to know exactly that that know that the pandemic increased and and exacerbated certain things and we need to work in a more assertive way we need more one more than one player and here we're talking about civil societies academia private sectors and governments mainly governments they are the ones that are marking the the the field the government local governments national governments and regional governments local communities and also international cooperation agencies and the UN agencies of course for with which we're working today and we're exchanging experiences and knowledge so I think thank you very very much for your participation and here we have only one male here participant here today but so bless the most women and so thank you for your participation I just need to inform that we had 1534 persons participating during these two days of the fair through YouTube Twitter and FAO accounts and almost 450 people who registered on our platform on the fair platform and I also would like to thank everyone who have contributed to the stands of the fair and to create experiences virtual 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