 Buffalo and they came here, they just gradually moved all around. It was kind of like rotational grazing at its best. Now that we got lands all fenced off and everything, we got to make sure that the cattle never stay at one spot too long, and they can constantly move around, sort of like it was back when the buffalo were here. Our grandparents homesteaded this land in 1999. Then my father stayed on the place and then we, his sons, took over from there. We're up here at the home place where we grew up at, I guess we started out with a small dairy years ago and that kind of kept food on the table and now we're ended up buying more land so now we're strictly a cow-calf operation. We actually have two different types of land. The land that we're on right now is up next to the Black Hills so it's heavily forested and then where we run most of the cattle is along the Shine River and it's mostly open range grasslands down there. Up here it's all private land, but at our other place it's a combination of federal land, the Buffalo Gap National Grassland, and also our private land. At our other place, probably two-thirds of it is actually Buffalo Gap National Grassland, so we depend on it quite a bit and without it it'd be pretty tough to make it. I think there are benefits to the Forest Service, of course we pay for it, for one thing. We're one of the few people that use federal land that actually pay. It's a way of keeping the grass in check and for it doesn't get too long and tall, where it could be a prairie fire someday, it's also improving the grass so I think there's a real benefit to the Forest Service and they realize it too, but they have to look out for everybody and they're looking out for the people that like to see the wildlife and also people that like to go rock hunting and things like that. There are some challenges to managing land that's intermingled with the Forest Service, but as a whole it's worked out well for us. Forest Service allows us to drive in and check cattle, fix fences and do about anything we need to repair. What we kind of look at it is our land. We treat it just the way we treat our own private land. I guess we want to leave it better than when we took over and we want to see more Western wheat grass come in, green needle, we want to see that grass that's thicker and more vigorous and kind of replacing a lot of that buffalo grass and just getting a better grass cover all around. The long-term plan for the forest areas, we still have a lot more ground up here that needs to be thin. I suppose years down the line, Bob and I won't see it, but it does open it up for more growth and there could be logging later on, but right now that's not in the plans. When we acquired the land we got the allotment permit, so that allowed us so many AUMs to graze there. Some of the land though is what he draws, and they've kind of in the last 20 years have really stressed that they want cattle off of that land, after June 1st and we can't be back on until October 1st, just mainly for the bushes and the trees and things like that, but it has worked out. We've been able to work around that just fine, it's not been a problem. It kind of saves those areas for winter grazing, so it's probably beneficial to the environment plus for us too, so it's also got good protection, which is a big plus on that. Now we have about 30 different pastures. I wouldn't say we are true rotational grazers, you talk to those people and they move their cattle every week and if they don't have it grazed out completely, you either got your pastures too big or you don't have enough cattle. We try not to stay in a pasture more than a month long, we try to move out so the plants do have a chance to come back. Now this land right here, we'll probably only graze it two months out of the year, maybe even less, maybe a month, this pasture here and then we'll move to other pastures. Then we'll be out of it for the next year. Our goal for grazing is to obviously leave grass, we love grass. I like looking out on a pasture that looks good even after we take cattle off and we do have a problem down there because we're in a pure shale and it doesn't take any abuse. That's one of our main concerns is we don't dare overgraze on that type of ground. We've always tried to leave a little bit of grass behind, whether it just be half or even more than half. I think that has probably given us the best sustainability to get through a drought. Well I think the first thing we did was we probably developed our water system. So we had water tanks in every pasture, the cows didn't have to travel. Fortunately around here we already had the fences in place so it was a matter of just moving the cows from one pasture to another. Other places we did have to put in some fencing. Pipelines have definitely given us security but also at distribution of the cattle and it has also allowed us to fence off the riparian areas. That keeping those cattle off the summer, off on the river, we've seen a real improvement there. You have to take care of the land or it won't take care of you and that also goes for your cattle. I don't know if I can speak for Dustin and Bob but I pretty much like everything I do except I don't like to have to make money out of it. If I didn't have to make money out of it it would be fun.