 And please, Javier, come up and join us here. Trade was very well introduced here by Linus, an important factor that can link the A-Lease priorities to the sustainability outcomes. And what role could trade there for play to catalyze sustainability? Or is it such a role to play for trade at all? Thank you. I guess we all agree in the room that policies to promote sustainability have to take into account teleconnections, which is the fact that policies and interventions in one side of the world, in one country... You hear. Well, should we ask Javier to speak a bit closer to the microphone? Here. Good. So I was talking about teleconnections. Now closer to the microphone. So teleconnections are referring to the fact that policies and interventions in one side of the world or in one sector have enormous implications for sustainability in other parts of the world and in other sectors. And probably the most important teleconnection that we can think of is trade. Trade is underlying all the global economic system, and it's like the blood and the catalyzer of all this global economy that we are living in. And one of the problems for policymakers and researchers in terms of dealing with the trade system is that this is very complex. It's a web of a lot of stakeholders with very different interests and different capabilities, policies implemented, and it's very difficult to look at the causality and the relationship between all these stakeholders and the benefits and the impacts that trade is causing. So at SCI, we are working in mapping these supply chains and these trade relationships all around the world. Wow, that's a nice picture. With the idea that just by providing with transparency in these supply chain systems that we have in the world, we can actually engage with the different stakeholders and we can look at the trade-offs and inform or help policymakers to take hard choices. So for example, this is about the supply chain of soybeans from Brazil and it's depicting, well, this is a simplification of the supply chain. Believe me, this is like thousands of producers on the left that we are grouping by regions in Brazil, thousands of exporters, importers, carriers, shipping brokers, dealers of this commodity, and finally the countries of consumption. So what we are trying to do is to understand all these impacts and all these relationships so we can engage with these people along the whole supply chain and see how to improve the sustainability of the trade system. A more simplified version of this is actually the next slide which is just showing the relationship between the producer of soy in Brazil and the country of consumption. So up there you have the places, concrete places where China is consuming soy from in Brazil for different years and the same for the European Union. So by looking at all these small circles, what is going on in those places, I can actually start talking about not only transparency but accountability which stakeholders are actually driving the processes that can be seen in those places. But after that, I think the most important message of this short presentation is that even if all these stakeholders have different policies that are often not driven like Kalle said by environmental concerns for example, there's actually the option of harnessing already existing policies for improving the sustainability along these supply chains. And I can provide with one example. Most part of the companies in the world dealing with farming commodities have signed these zero deforestation commitments last year in New York. So they are saying that by 2020 they will stop deforestation in their supply chains. Obviously these companies are not doing this mostly for environmental reasons. They are doing it because they want to secure their supply chains. And they are fearing seen by consumers and other stakeholders like risk or talking about corporate responsibility here. However, these commitments are going to change completely the supply chains of hundreds of commodities. They are going to change how farmers are producing, how consumers are buying. If this commitment is really going to happen it's going to change completely the trade system. So this is like when Unilever is saying they source everything sustainably, palm oil for example. It's because the globe is not big enough otherwise for them to supply. To survive, yeah. And there we have options to actually think in other agendas, policy agendas and use their commitment to actually drive positive impacts for sustainability along the supply chains. Can I? Yeah. I was reminded of what Kate Minderhoed from Solidarity said the other week when she was visiting us. She said sustainability is something that needs to happen in a place. And she was then referring to that with all these supply chain approaches there are limitations to what they can actually achieve in terms of livelihood options and so on for the local community. So considering that most of the world agriculture production is not internationally traded with this input from Kate what would you say about the limitations and possibilities of supply chain approaches like the zero deforestation policy? I think like any policy or intervention of any of these stakeholders along the supply chain is driven by one sometimes like zero deforestation commitment or several or few goals. It can be zero carbon emissions or it can be production come from small holders but there are very few policies that are actually integral and see what is going on along the supply chain in different levels like in the local scale, national scale and global scale. So whenever an stakeholder is implementing a policy or an intervention there is an enormous risk that there is unintended consequences of that policy and we can see that with the zero deforestation commitments because it's very likely that in some cases it will be affected negatively by these zero deforestation commitments and strong focus in one dimension of the social environmental system may be detrimental to others and I think we have to take care about all these policies that are being implemented now same with certification for example. Thanks a lot Kavi, it's obviously complex although there are opportunities here to improve to use trade to green supply chains but there are potentially negative side effects of that in terms of equity and social issues. Please join us here Kavi and we invite our next participant Goyhan we know moving from Brazil and the Amazon over to China and Asia and China and we will continue to do this. Thank you for your time and for your support. Thank you for your time and for your support. Thank you for your time and for your