 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode, for the first 25 minutes, me, Adam, and Justin have some fun conversation. We talk about the documentary about the unabomber. It's not a documentary, but it's a show. It's about him on Netflix called Man Hunt. Apparently he had one eyebrow. Then we talk about intelligent lunatics and why people follow them. Isn't that frustrating? People do with these idiots. Come on, man. Stop it. We talk about the experiments on humans and our tendency to want to follow the crowd. There's some fascinating studies on this, and we have a nice conversation about it. Also, we're supposed to mention our sponsor Thrive Market. Doug, I know you just got your package from Thrive Market. What did you get and did you get great prices? I did get great prices. I shop a lot at Whole Foods, Costco, and other places like that. 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And if you want to continue on, then you pay the full membership. Well, that's what I was telling my clients. I'm like, you know what? You already buy these products anyway because you're buying organic. You're buying non-GMO. Just go to Thrive Market, use the code, you know, Mind Pump. And you'll... And you can shop for free for 30 days and get major discounts. The way Thrive Market works is because it's a membership process and because they eliminate a lot of the middlemen, you're basically going to pay this... Like if you were to buy cereal that's organic, you know you're going to spend probably a couple dollars more than if you were to buy non-organic. They're so competitive that their prices of organic products are the same as you would pay for non-organic prices or lower. And how did he say he did that? He was talking about... It's because it's almost like a farmer's market type of mentality. Like almost like a common union. Yeah, right? But put on the web that... So you're pretty much getting things for like what a wholesale price would be for those organic products. So the more people that get involved, you know, with Thrive Market, the better because, you know, that way everybody can kind of contribute to lowering the prices together. I think it's a model of what the future of shopping online is going to look like. And again, I can't even believe that... I was almost... When we interviewed the CEO, I was shocked. I wanted to ask him, like, how profitable are you? Because you guys... Your prices are super low. How is that going to last? I thought maybe that was, you know, one of those... I would be curious to see... I don't know... I doubt they are very profitable right now because I think a lot... I think they're on their fourth series of... And don't quote me on this. I looked it up. I can't remember where they're at right now. But right now they're at a place where they definitely are pushing really hard to get out there. And I think they're giving way more. And I don't think they're... Right now it's about just gaining, building the network. Well, I mean... So I think they're taking a hit right now to build... Whole Foods is a massive competitor. Yeah, because I know they got funding. I know they got good funding. Like I said, I think they're on their third or their fourth series. And so I think they are... Right now they are all about, you know, growing the network. And so I think for the... Right now that's how they can do that. I don't think they're actually able to really... I don't think they're actually making money. I think they're counting on building the network because this is going to be the way everybody buys groceries. So that's what I thought too. But when you're on this... When you're this far along, as big as they are with that... With those rounds of funding, they want to see profitability. I think they just... I think they've mastered efficiency. I think they've really mastered efficiency in lower... And we know how much that lowers prices. Walmart demonstrated that years ago with efficiency. Thrive Market's doing it with organic products. So what you do is you go to thrivemarket.com, I believe, forward slash mine pump. And then you'll get the free... The money towards your products. You'll get the free shipping. And you'll get the 30 days for free. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, are there different ways to train the central nervous system? And how does the central nervous system affect your health and gains? In this particular episode on that question, we do mention MAPS Prime. It's really the only program I know of that targets the central nervous system specifically. We're teaching you how to optimize that central nervous system for not just before your workout, but also after your workout. Right. You can find MAPS Prime at minepumpmedia.com. And you can also get the Prime and Prime Pro bundle if you really want to take it to the next level. The next question was, if you're a personal trainer and you have a client who hasn't followed their workout nutrition for like a week or two, how do you encourage them? Do you tell them they're wasting their time? Do you blast them? Do you train them differently? Do you meet them where they are? This is a great question. This was a learning curve for me as a personal trainer. Made a big difference in my success as a trainer. Wisdom. When we answer the question, what do we do for those nights when we just can't sleep? What is a sleep routine? How can you implement it to maximize your gains? And finally, the most important question of all, do we believe in aliens? Find out in this episode of Mime Pump. Yeah. We get out there. Ta-da-da-da-da. Hurry, hit record. Hit record. Adam's singing, you got to hit record. You got to catch it when it's happening. Physical, physical. You guys missed it. I was just singing at the top of my lungs this glorious sound. Oh, man. This glorious, glorious sound. Are my ears bleeding, Justin? Can't capture that. Do I have blood coming out of my ears? It was like, yeah. I can't do it when Doug's recording. I could do it right now. I could do it right now. I got a song for you, fuckers. Get up, boy. Never made in the home. Damn. All I think is Daisy Dukes when I hear that. Oh, I hope so. Do you guys watch that show when you were kids? That's the theme song from what you would call it, right? From the orange, the orange... Yeah, the general lead. Oh, come on. You let it figure it out. Oh, yeah. I would have never figured that out. Dukes of Hazard. Yeah, I don't remember the name. What a great show. Do you guys watch that when you were kids? No, I didn't watch it at all. I only watched it. Fuck out of you. They rallied those cars. Like, dad watched that show. I only watched it for two reasons. Daisy Dukes and when they would jump the car. I always jumped the car. That's it. Those two things. There was always a scene where they had to jump something with a car. Yeah. Which is completely false. Everybody knows if you jump your car once, you fucked it up. I like smoking the bandit better. I never watched that. Oh, yeah. All kinds of cool... Speaking of shows to watch, okay? You need to watch Chuck, because I finally figured... One of our forum members, I think, reached out to me and told me what it was. Remember, I couldn't find the name. The story of Chuck Weckner. Oh, okay. Right. It's just called Chuck, right? The Bayon Bleeder. So you need to look that up. And right now, I am frying my brain on the Unabomber story. So it is... Ooh. It's not a documentary. By the way, we have a unilateral training mod available. You just reminded me. And it's the bomb. Yeah. Dude, we're so good. You sent me out. I feel like we're all geniuses together. Yeah. So is this good? Is this a good show? That's a good dream for you. Yeah. So it's called... Shit! What? Tepkasinsky's name, right? That's a good dream for you. That's a good dream again. Tepkasinsky? Yeah. Yeah. That's who it is. It's the Unabomber story. But the name of the Netflix series is called Finding a Man. Something like that. Finding a Man. I am pretty sure that is what it is. I will look it up right now, though, to be sure. But... We'll wait. It is... No, we won't. We will... It's called Manhunt? Yes, Manhunt. Thank you. So I don't know how you do that. Master, bro. You have like really fast thumbs. I was actually texting someone while I remembered that Okay, I did not know this much about him So I I remember it as a kid. There's a couple things that remember I remember he's brilliant I know that much right say so this is how this played out for me And and I want to hear what you how you what you guys know before Sal jumps in and wants to act all smart about it Nothing about it by the way. Oh, you don't know then you're gonna love the shit of this cuz this is what I knew And I want to know if any of you knew more than me So I knew I know that he was by himself and he was a bomber. Yeah, I knew that he was by himself Awesome, he was he was a bomber. I knew that was so when I was a kid I remember one or two major bombs that he had done that and to the point where we had to shut We had to we stopped all the planes at LAX one day. It was the crate one of the craziest things It's what he ended up bombing so listen. Okay. Sorry. So listen. I'm bad my bad. It's come. Yes So that's kind of what I and I remember that and then I remember him We caught him and he was in jail whatever and then I remember like years later being older and reading books listening some like seminars and meeting and actually hearing people quote him like people quoting Ted Ted Kaczynski and I'm like wait a second This guy he was like really intelligent like I and they were and so I was like, okay, and then I found out he was kind of a smart guy But I didn't know they portrayed him as this total like hillbilly. So this this is the extent that I know this motherfucker For 17 years was getting away with bombing people years and the whole time He was he was telling like a fucking story through his fucking killings through all he he was was he leaving clues for the cops And they couldn't they had the everybody on it. Nobody could figure over everybody's head You know, that's a need to listen to that. So that's that's a big fucking that's a common trait amongst he was so bored The psycho fuckers is that is that they actually They want well now that they want to get caught. They want Some kind of recognition for what they do. Yeah, so like the zodiac killer. Do you guys remember that? Yeah, we don't remember that but you've heard of him because I was like our parents generation He would like leave notes and tell them what he was gonna do next and you also notice And this is a real statistic. This is this is the strangeness of human psychology. I love human psychology, but it's also so weird when whenever we have a mass shooting that gets lots of publicity The odds of another one happening right after go through the roof Yep, because they want that kind of that recognition is why they do it If nobody said anything about these things if someone did a bombing and nobody is still fame and ignored it They would probably go down. Well, so and they did a pretty good job because like I said, I remember I was 1995 to 90s Well 97 is when he went to jail. So the way the show is is told it's pretty cool They tell the story forward and backwards at the same time, you know, I like when they do that way They just jump jump back and forth. But what they do is They started at 1995 which is the beginning of the guy who actually brought him down and it was a two-year process Before they before they brought him down and so it jumps back and forth between 1995 and 97 But for the previous 17 years this motherfucker was bombing people all over the country ever all the time It was all random or who's targeting super random I thought he was targeting wasn't he like a self-proclaimed like anarchist and yeah Go after like you know, so that the going after part was all part of the system and a message and everything that he was sending with The people that he used I mean sure every person had some but they could not put it together for 17 years They couldn't put all the people crazy 17 years, and it's all right out in front of you Oh, dude, it's it's dope to watch that. I had he stopped like early I'm looking up right now for his manifesto. I want to read his manifesto now like it's the stories flag the story You go down the rabbit and I know there's some asshole that's listening right now And they're just like oh like Adam shape for the bearded you're celebrating somebody who's a problem. It's not Celebrating like you know you know Charles Manson and some of those guys like they had the most groupies like like women like It's such a weird thing because it's power. They're really drawn to that like you'd get visited all the time Well his story is crazy. He's he's did fuck no him Hitler like there's here's the thing I like to okay, and this is the it's it's it's almost like challenging my thought I believe that you know a lot of times guys like us who are growth minded We're constantly pushing ourselves to learn more and with that with with growth comes power to Power over yourself power potentially over others, and it's a natural thing But not a lot of people talk about that so I really like to see where that can go wrong Because these the men we're talking about right now did some really bad things and we're our bad guys But they're all very intelligent people that at one point went that way and what what caused that and then also be aware What of what some of the thing characteristics that could now we like yourself right? We like to focus on that We like to focus on the lunatics the crazy fuckers the The tyrants the dictators and we like to think about how we can change that from happening How could we what went wrong with these people? But the reality is actually not that the reality is What is it in most people's psyche? Okay, because these lunatics are One-offs they're they're very very exaggerated they're they're quite rare It's very rare that you find people like that for most most people are relatively good people right? Here's the real question is what is it in most of us that makes us want to follow people and makes us want to Do crazy shit for them like we talk about like Hitler you brought up Hitler We talk about Hitler all the time and what a lunatic he was and you know I'm sure had we caught him we would have executed him and he would have gone on trial this and that But nobody talks about all the people that did what he wanted right all the people that followed orders I am super fascinated by that. That's the part I always think that's so interesting because we talked so bad It was like if you say a name like Hitler now yeah people cringe Fuck wait a second. There was thousands tens of thousands of people. I don't be maybe you know Well, well, I mean you had actually following him first of all he he'd got elected democratically of course he wasn't doing what he was doing at that point, but through a process of and this may actually sound familiar to people through a process of scaring the country more and more and them granting him through Their democratic process more and more power because he had to keep them safe He was able to do all these different things, but then you have all these people working for him Or under him that do what he told them to do. It's you know It's the whole like I'm just doing my job, you know that whole thing like well I'm just doing my job and punch out you have Free will yeah, you know I'm saying if someone tells you to do some shit and it's immoral in your eyes You have an obligation to say fuck you. I'm not a human being. Yeah I'm not gonna which means means he did an Unbelievable job of convincing people that his mission was pure He I can't take that and good or whatever. It's just strange All right, it's just strange to me how people do that cuz at literally tomorrow if everybody everybody decided I'm just not gonna do what people tell me to do if I don't if I disagree with it Then well, I think it's a tipping point to just to be fair You know some people in desperate situations there where they corner them and they're gonna like kill their family And you know what I mean? It's like at that point. It's like sure yeah And it's sure it's a country thing where like you have to kind of like put the uniform on and shit Otherwise, you know your sister well, it's it's like that study that and I think Sal's reference to study before on the show Where you and I just watched it. I don't know if you've actually watched this. I sent you guys the video It's yeah, super fascinating where everybody will be sitting in a room, right a doctor's office and They tell that one of them's in on it knows that you know You after the the girl comes out out from the where the doctor would be and says who's the next patient? Everybody stands up and they did that they did this time. Oh, no was a beep. Yeah, be oh sorry So they're in a waiting room. That's right a bee path Yeah, this is the but what happens it goes it beeps Then the door opens and then she asks for the next patient Yeah, so it trains this pattern of the beep happens the door opens everybody stands Well, no, so there's different versions of that test that they've repeated over and over again So in that particular one, it's just the waiting room There's you know a couple people in there that don't know what's going on Everyone else is an actor a beep goes off Oh, everybody stands up all the actors stand up and eventually the people who don't know that they're in on an experiment Stand up when it beeps right and then when they bring in a new person who also Doesn't know what's going on they convince them to stand up so that everybody just stands up But there's others other studies show that they show that what's crazy is they show the evolution of it Where so the five actors eventually leave they eventually go in the doctor then they go all just and then at one point It's 12 people that don't know none of them are actors None of them know that what they're doing is absolutely ridiculous and silly and they're all getting up That's right in a matter of and what it's crazy. So in a matter of a minute Yeah, we have now and it's most people most people will stand up because everybody else is standing up That's the stuff. I never got so everybody never that guy. Well everybody says I know I yeah everybody says that now You're in the environment now. I think the same thing about myself and my history tends to I think prove it because I tended I hate authority and I don't go against the grain but Studies show that It can this room right here. Most of us will probably end up doing it That's just the way the studies show and there's other tests Well, how many how many times have you done this have every time because that's a little more glaring and obvious, right? how many times you walked into a restaurant or a fast food place or somewhere you have to get in a line to go in and Somebody has started the line the wrong direction of it and you just follow suit I did that the other day There was like this huge line for one register that was open and there was a guy in a register right next to it with no line Yeah, and I was just looking at like left right left right and I just walked up to the guy with no line And he's like and he took my order and I looked over and I'm like what the fuck are they waiting for I Could not believe it. It was a huge line because they saw that it was no and then all of a sudden everybody came behind me Yeah, I was like really there's another one. That's really class a classic one where they'll people will go in an elevator But then when they walk in the elevator everybody's facing like the right so, you know Normally people are facing the door Everybody's facing to the right so then the person goes in there and inevitably they end up facing the same direction And then randomly the actors will face another direction and then the person will just follow them Yeah, and it works again for most people. It's a very it's a very group. Mine, dude It is a scary trait the the the one experiment that really frightens me is where they have a person in a room And they have an actor in another room and then they tell them okay every time they get a wrong question You need to give them a shock and don't worry. This is part of it Yeah, I remember and when they give them the shock that you're screaming, you know next door Yeah, you hear pain somebody like in pain you hear pain and then the this fake Scientist or the actor whatever tells you turn up the pain turn up the power turn up the power Yeah, and people just do it because someone else is telling them even though they're reserved some people had like this like moral compass They're like even like I don't know but they would still do it. They would still do it Messed up it wasn't the guy and he still turned the dog the knob so knowing these basic basic You know components of human nature Which which we know and we're just everyday guys with the internet access, okay? imagine what the researchers and scientists and Leaders of major governments are CIA, you know the KGB when it existed all these organizations Imagine what they together talk about and do in order to manipulate their populations You don't think like Coca-Cola got a hold of that same, you know case studies and all that and created marketing around it I think I think you would be I think people would be shocked if they knew just how much some of these organizations have their hands in Things like the media and in these stories where I mean we're seeing it We see it all the time, you know you look at you know this whole thing with it And we don't I don't want to get into it before I before I begin I don't want to get into it, but this whole thing with the NFL and everybody's like Oh, you know, they're disrespecting the soldiers is that nobody gives a shit about the soldiers when you've got fucking Suicide rates that are through the roof. You've got people who can't get into the hospitals the VA hospitals getting no treatment We're you know people are coming back with trauma for more Nobody says anything but all of a sudden because we're told we supposed to care this particular way You are disrespecting these troops like nobody cares otherwise and it's all again. It's all driven by this This this whole these these powers and I think in the media that make us Tell us what we need to think trying to influence you it's it's fucking frightening to me It's very very frightening and it's and I'm not I know I'm not immune to it Of course not well It's frightening because we allow all of these people collectively the collectively to get together and make decided for us Yeah, right vote make decisions if we were all in you know on our on our own figuring it out So that I'd be less afraid I'm more afraid because how easily people can be cattled or like sheep It drives me crazy when I see it's like, you know again I know we're trying to stay off of this topic but now you got my brain going so it's like the other day I saw LeBron talk about talk about this topic and it's just like and I know I know how it gets this gets down I know the poor guy is being called by his PR and they're like listen You're the face of the NBA you need to come you need to come out and say something people want to know What LeBron James thinks about this whole incident? Here's here's a pair Here's here's an idea of kind of what we want you to say figure this out You know I'm saying this is how you need to come off and then he goes to and then he just fucking is sounds horrible Just bullshit like talking about a topic that I think he has no clue about Getting out there and I know he's being told to say that and do that and that to me I see that and I just shake my head because I'm like, you know And I'm not saying that LeBron doesn't do great things at all he could be doing all kinds of great donation things I'm just saying that I know that he didn't fill this like all of a sudden compassion to speak out on this topic He's being told to speak out on that topic by somebody because of who he is in the NBA And the NBA is like a sister or a cousin to the NFL and all these other powerhouses I mean these are all good old boy clubs that are billions of dollars that are getting distributed amongst these owners and this They're meeting going like oh, oh, we got to fucking do something about this because we're getting ratings are going down We're getting this from people and a shitstorm and they start to gather up their most influential people and then tell They want to do meanwhile we're all on social media debating shit talking shit Who's and the real who's racist who's not right like we get all caught up in the fucking all the bullshit shit store The real shit goes unnoticed right the real stuff that we could actually like like again talking about our veterans You know, have you guys seen the statistics on suicide rates among our vets? Yeah, it's horror It's it's the leading cause of death. That's terrible and and but nobody really like we don't talk about it Because why would they talk about that? Why would they you know what that would end up doing if we made a big deal about that? And if the media really pumped that it would lower the amount of people that would enlist in the military and they don't want that shit This whole this whole thing with the with the national anthem people know this in 2009 Our government gave told the NFL we will give you money to make sure your players come out and stand For the national anthem because they know it's like propaganda. It's it's to get people in and you know It doesn't matter where you stand on either side of this just realize that There's people from all ends fighting to manipulate and influence you for their own self-interest their own Benefit, you know us being in fitness, you know, I can relate just being in fitness Oh, it took me like I was in professional in fitness. This is my job for it's been up for over 20 years It took me. I don't know 16 years to figure out most of what I knew was bullshit Fucking 60 and I must I consider myself a pretty smart self-aware person and I don't think I'm susceptible to a lot of different things 16 it took me a long fucking time to learn You know I'm saying totally that all the stuff that we taught that was all bullshit and it's just it's just part of the whole thing You know it is it's at the sad part is The stuff that we're all getting upset about debating about arguing about on social media all of a sudden We feel compelled to put post about and talk about like all that shit like It's not even the real issue And if you really wanted to do something like this isn't the time to do it The time to do it was three months ago when nobody's talking about it and you make you you make a move to Help something or better a cause on your own with your own money your own fucking time or your own platform Not right now when it's turned into this, you know bullshit back and forth now It's like it's so it's so drama to me and it's and it's crazy to see people Get all caught up in it and that is scary to me It is scary to me how easily we can be manipulated to it's like it's like it's like a magician trick and nobody knows Oh, I always think when stuff like this goes on like there's some crazy like nuclear threat somewhere that are like some major massive Like, you know movement that we're doing some in some other country That like they're just distracting us. Meanwhile. Meanwhile. I think meanwhile It's got as big as it is all all over probably one major reason which is what uh 15 years or whatever was 80 something when donald trump and the nfl got into some lawsuit bullshit and donald trump loses And guess what we just had some news which I posted about that the cte situation Which so all of a sudden all eyes were on the nfl and donald trump comes out and say some shit And that was probably just a little fucking jab. That was like, fuck you, you know, that's what that was So these guys are playing their own bullshit financial game talking shit to each other and we're all getting into a racial war Like what the fuck like this is it's about money and two big-ass powerhouses fucking with each other And we're all over here getting pissed off over race the worst the worst uh fear of those in power Is if people become united in uh in good If they can divide people they can manipulate them if they can't divide you Then they can't it's very difficult to manipulate people who are divided against each other Right and so that's always the strategy. That's a divide and conquer. It's one of the most classic strategies of all time Governments have been using it for Ever for as long as we you know for as long as history. We've seen uh these strategies being employed And it's so funny that you say that because I know people right now are rolling their eyes like Oh big bad government or you're one of those guys who thinks the government's evil It's like well when history has shown us all other governments use this strategy Why all of a sudden do we think that ours wouldn't Ours is the only the one special one in all of history that doesn't use any of these manipulative tactics To get increased power. Well, no, I mean we we have you gotta be naive to think that come on We can just lose 6.5 trillion dollars. You know what I mean? Like we could just do that because we're the government and people don't know Like where to go they're gonna just accept it. I don't know. Hey look over here And It's all imagine you don't need it to equate It's all imagine which is also how All off air, you know those that don't know because those that don't don't know or if you listen for a long time You know that sal loves to talk politics when we don't talk a bit talk on the show And I don't uh, I I think it's funny and I think I call it sports for nerds I call it sports for nerds That is like massive drama Yeah, because it reminds me the very the same way if you've ever lived somebody who's familiar with both arenas really well Gets what I'm saying those that don't those are that are in one and not the other may not understand it But if you are very familiar with like what diehard really sports fanatic people sound like they're very similar to Yeah, the exact same way and the the arguments are the same. It's because they're they're tribes. It's like It's not There's no it's not two plus two equals four and that's what we're debating and you're trying to say it's six Everybody has it's a character debate. This guy says it's six. This guy says it's seven. Yeah, you're both wrong four whatever yeah, and Studies also show that people in power when they are on power over time their brain structure Actually changes and the way they think actually changes. So we know when people say power corrupts It is totally true. Of course. It's absolutely true. It's a it's well. This is what I meant. It's scary, man That's why I meant this is also why I said I I will I'll definitely read the manifesto I'll look into this. I love learning about these these crazies for those reasons. I think we should we should right So we we can see like not repeat the same mistakes, right? That's I believe like I said with with growth It will come power. It's just inevitable because the more power you have over yourself It's inevitable that you have power over others too and it sounds like it's not that I have power I'll control them but Mentally that I'm just you're at another level than another person because they they have they haven't learned to process things The way you have outside of the box Yeah, and so when you when you learn to do that and you know you are then then the other side comes with that Okay, then it becomes dangerous. You can become manipulative and you always got a watch for that And I feel like those guys that get to that level they never did they just got out of control And they ran ran crazy with it. Doug, please bring the freedom bird the freedom The freedom bird This course brought to you by Organifi for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge Try Organifi totally risk free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi.com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20 off at checkout All right, our first question is from alfie fitness Different ways to train the central nervous system and how it affects your overall health and gains We haven't talked about this in a little while. Yeah, you did a little post the other day and I thought You know, it's funny. I was uh in I was just hanging I was making dinner and um, I thought you know I haven't done a post on the cns in a little while and I just kind of willy willy nilly Does that is that even a real phrase? I think it is it's an old phrase. I like using the old phrases What does willy nilly mean what was he was a cowboy in the morning? No willy nilly means kind of like non shalom Yeah, like you know, I'm just gonna do this real quick and I do this post and it resonated with a lot of people Uh, and I think because people really still don't really consider The central nervous system When they're training trying to get stronger build muscle burn body fat and I know we've used this analogy many many times before I'll use it again because we we do have new listeners all the time But the central nervous system really is the amplifier To your speakers your speakers being your muscles It is that important when it comes to your performance when it comes to movement when it comes to your ability to contract Your muscles build muscles when it comes to your ability to stretch Your muscles and to have mobility that's all central nervous system And so if you don't consider your central nervous system and all you ever consider are your muscles You're not missing out on half of the equation You're missing out on probably a majority of the equation because If you target if all you ever do is think about your muscles and you totally disregard the cns You'll you'll run into a lot of problems if all you ever do is consider your cns You're gonna probably take care of your muscles as well as well. That's how important it is so with the central nervous system Every time you train intensely every time you do anything you impact your muscles But you also impact your cns But there's kind of a caveat here Muscles don't really get impacted by anything else than when they're contracting and moving The cns gets impacted by everything else Sleep stress your thought, you know what you're thinking Um stimulants, you know if you if you give somebody, you know, you've heard police officers talking about how people on pcp are so strong Or you know studies will show that if you have caffeine You'll have x amount percent, you know better performance or better strength. You know why I love cns You know why I love your analogy and I've used it a million times now since you have because I think it's so good Because I can think of you can keep building upon it's a visual Well, you can keep building on that visual So when you think of an amplifier an amplifier has you know, you can get one of those amplifiers has like 10 different knobs You're adjusting all the all of what you're putting out to these speakers And just like and if you could think like speakers you input into the speakers and that that's all you get contracting Contracting that's all it does right. There's nothing else that the muscle is really doing, right? So But the central nervous system has this ability to send this way send that way send more this way And so it's all these little knobs and think of those knobs like sleep Food, you know, uh, you know, what's attitude attitude? Yes, everything, right? All those knobs are all these other things and the idea place that with treble Is you want all those knobs set perfectly as close as you can to perfect to get the most output from those Sounds gonna be way better. You okay. So and this is you know, they've done studies on this But athletes who train with weights over the years Learn to call upon the central nervous system Over that time much better than the average person Even if they have the same amount of muscle because you know muscle size this influence contraction But your cns is what gives you uh that output and that power I'll give you another example that blew me away Relatively recently actually in fact, uh, this was I think during an episode we were recording Maybe a year ago when this kind of dawned on me, but your ability to Uh have flexibility your ability for your muscles to extend Is also largely concerned can control by your central nervous system Because if I'm stretching over time, I'm not actually lengthening my muscles My muscles don't lengthen the attachments stay the same But what I am doing is I'm teaching my central nervous system to allow me To move into these new ranges of motion. In fact, yeah You'll see that within the first five minutes of stretching if you if you add tension So like, you know, that's why we're talking passive flexibility versus like mobility and why we're leaning so much more into You know mobility being such a a more valid option because now we're really we're teaching the central nervous system That we have ability to strengthen and support You know the joint in this range and so now we can actually extend that range By communicating that because really it's a communication You know forces the communication through the cells another reason why I love this analogy so much is anybody who understands You know the value of the amplifier for the speakers Realizes the the importance of the cns to your overall health and gains like this question is like the question is How important is the cns for our health and gains? It's the most important It is it's that important because without that speaker that amplifier ain't running And actually the more you put in your the more focus you start to put in getting a better amplifier Building a better amplifier taking care of your amplifier. It's gonna your your speaker's gonna perform better than anything else I mean, I'm so passionate about cns and training and because it's it's really like a new found. It's an old Um, you know, everybody knew about you know that that it was involved in strength training But it's it's almost like one of those things that hasn't really got a lot of real focus and attention and like it's not sexy Yeah, it's not it's not tangible muscles. We can touch. We see literally everything stems from that Yeah, well not only that but I think uh inadvertently on accident We've learned how to train the central nervous system just by observing The effects on performance. Yeah, so we know things like rest You know, we know that you know sleep and you know meditation those types of things improve performance But we don't you know, we didn't really put two two together at least people aren't really selling how important The cns is but again, it's it's the most important So I'll give you some other examples that'll kind of trip you out So I use the stretching one you can go try touching your toes You'll go down so far stretch for five minutes. You'll go down further Muscles haven't changed that was your central nervous system, right? You also possess way more strength Uh in your body than you're able to exert That's the rev limiter on your central nervous system which people know the example of this and they've I've seen cool like Discovery channel things where they break. You know when they do the mom's lifting a car off the bay off the baby Or somebody running out of superhero body somebody who's like crippled all of a sudden sprinting out of a house That's on fire. So you see that's that's your cns and it has that natural rev limiter That's why you also get injured, you know if that's right. You exert yourself like that It's it's literally it's it's that rev limiter is there to protect you from tearing muscles right off of your bones But it's there. Yeah, and if you learn how to call upon it and train it Um, then you're gonna have you know much much better performance. Yeah, the max. Here's another one, right? You ever wonder why you're so lethargic and loose and feeling kind of like not super strong when you're really hot It's it's it depresses the central nervous system So it's a very important component and it also is impacted by exercise like muscles Um, and it is impacted more than muscles When super high intensity is applied So I love this question too because this also helps us explain again more of you know The science behind maps and why it's so unique and why we talk about Uh going two reps short of failure. This is this this is where there are sessions Yes, this is where that's this is where that science comes from is that that is what's really special about the program is We do put a lot of focus the way we design this the cns. We consider it very. Yeah, we consider the cns More so more so than almost any other program. I know that I've ever seen out there I'm sure there's somebody else that we've met lots of smart guys that get that it's not the first time I would say the kings of cna understanding how to train the central nervous system Well, olympic olympic olympic lifters lots of money has gone into investing How to learn how to train the body to maximize performance at while keeping you at a particular body weight And if you look at the way olympic lifters train, it's uh submaximal loads It's lots of practice lots of frequency nobody ever goes to failure skill and lots of skill and they don't go to failure Well going to failure Yes, it definitely sends us a muscle building signal through the damage it causes to your muscle But it also really hammers the central nervous system Muscles recover typically faster than the cns in those particular situations where Now you've got muscles that are recovered But your cns is still dampened. You can't lift like you could before You've missed that window of opportunity And you know who hates to hear us say this is the big huge steroid out bodybuilder guy that's saying beast mode No days off all time. That's bullshit I hammer the I go to failure every time I train and some of that And that's totally different because they are getting a signal an artificial signal Sent to their body to build muscle 24 7 and testosterone in particular does amp up The cns and this is one of the reasons why if you gave somebody A very fast acting shot of testosterone Within a very short period of time they would notice strength gains well before they built any muscle There's that cns, uh, you know stuff happening, right? So here's a couple things That you want to do if you want to maximize cns adaptation for gains The types of training first and foremost variety is always important So whatever you're doing now changing it and staying within a new phase will always give you the best results But if we had to compare all of them Straight sets of the same exercise big gross motor movements Is probably the best so what I mean by that is if I'm going to hit my legs and I want to build Strength and really maximize my cns output for my quads and my hamstrings and my glutes I'm probably going to be better off doing 10 sets of submaximal squats Than I am doing three sets of squats three sets of leg extensions three sticks of you know, leg curls and doing all these other exercises Uh, but if you combine the two you get the best of both worlds But we're speaking just for cns Rest is very very important, but not just rest where you sleep There's also quality of sleep and then there's also being able to manage your stress Because anytime you even if you just sit there and you're resting you're not exerting yourself If you're racing in your mind with you know stressful situations or repetitive obsessive thoughts You your cns will get very fatigued So those are the things you want to look at supplements that help the cns There are supplements that help you amp up the cns. These are stimulants like caffeine But if you abuse them you will get an adaptive effect where the cns depresses itself So that when you take the caffeine now you're at baseline, so be careful with that I personally like recommending supplements that help replenish the central nervous system And these tend to be supplements in the adaptogen Uh category of supplements things like ashwagandha raishi chaga Ulythro root, which is a type of they call Siberian ginseng even panics ginseng, which is also an adaptogen But it's slightly stimulatory. You know that can help as well Um, have you been able to see have you shopped all that stuff on thrive yet? Have you used thrive for those things? I use thrive mainly for all of my uh for thrive market more Mainly for my food products. So like ghee coconut oil Snacks for the kids Yeah, all that stuff. So you're you're also forgetting about something with the the cns that you know, I think is talking about gains Uh, and also why we wrote maps prime Uh was you know teaching you prime is prime is all about the cns. Yeah, that's that's that's totally what that program was about Was teaching people how to maximize it per workout and that's to say let's say you're not even following maps You have your own program. It's like whatever this is to teach people like that that listen Before you go into workout assess your body and there's a compass that comes in there kind of tells you Areas you need to focus and then we teach you how to prime it Prime the areas that for your body that's going to get the most out of your current work. I've got a great analogy Uh, hopefully I don't do a justin with this but How the ramp ramping water this shit. Come on man throw a monkey in that wrench People forgot about that one already if we're sticking to the speaker and amplifier analogy Let's say your goal for your workout Your goal for your workout is to get the most bang for your buck right build most muscle burn the most body fat So if we're using the analogy of speakers your goal would be to get the best sound, okay Do you just walk up to a stereo system without checking the equalizer without checking and just turn it on full blast No, you would you would get better sound if you went over to it Sorry, tweaking started listening a little bit tweaking things tweaking things and then turning it up and boom perfect sound That's what priming your workouts does is it's it's it's getting that equalizer and that amplifier Perfect so that when you turn those speakers on the sound is beautiful. Good job with it now I like it blue dream. I mean Ramp water. Yeah, I can't really compare. All right our next question is from Greg Kellen pt What do you say to clients when they haven't followed their workout nutrition plan for a week? Do you tell them off or you try it? Do you try to be encouraging? You stupid you'll never make it When a client has not seen results because of the lack of effort on their part When do you tell them that they are wasting your time and theirs? Who do you think is most likely to tell client off? Uh, I think at one point all of us. I know I think I actually think you me. Yeah. Yeah, I I did I used to I you've told stories are I'm I was surprisingly for what an asshole and straightforward I am everyone everyone. Uh, I don't think I did this a lot at all I even in the beginning I used to so what I when I had clients that frustrated me Uh, this and this is just this is me right like As much as it ate ate inside of me like I just did I had a client that I could not stand training for eight fucking years And and I did not need the money I could have totally had someone fill her slot But I always like to take that on as a challenge as a trainer I prided myself on being a chameleon and being able to mold my personality around theirs and sometimes they're lazy Sometimes they're liars. Sometimes they're they they're dialed in sometimes they're wishy-washy And I had them all right. I've trained them all and I would always I was training myself why I'm training them to be a better trainer because in reality I'm going to see 10 more cases of this down the road. So I don't I never told a client off So I as direct as I talk and and I would be direct There's a difference between being direct and telling them straight up about things But I would also I would never tell a client off. So I don't know I had clients that would ignore a lot of the you know nutrition advice And then they would keep bringing up issues they'd have and then I would just reference Exactly what I said, you know Again, I'm like and then we would go back and see like what they actually change They didn't change anything, but they didn't care enough to change it. So, you know for me I just have a hard time like Hammering that person like over and over and over again about it like they they literally need to decide themselves Right, and I would just reiterate that like in a nice way And then they'd either take it like, you know, let's take a fence to it or they would actually change something about So I have I have a story Interrupt you here so because I had a client that I just saw this morning. It's kind of funny. We're talking about this I haven't seen her in a long time and she's uh She was with me for years and years and years and occasionally when she's got major issues Like she's had knee surgery hip surgery back issues got all this stuff You know, she'll call me up And you know to kind of take a look at her and maybe do to give her a couple movements that she can do And so we occasionally do this and one of the things I know about her I was I used to train her consistently is a lot of the stuff She will not do unless I am there and and making her do it And otherwise she never puts in the work that she needs to and we kind of had to have this Conversation today that you know, she'd been reaching out reaching out wanting to get in my schedule and I've just been so busy I'm like, you know, I want to I just don't have time and then she did And I helped her out with the things I said, but listen The none of this like I don't even want you to come see me because I'm a waste of your money until you Apply these things that I'm giving you now If you just want to give me money and see me every once in a while and then me tell you some things That could help you and then you kind of do them or don't do them And then you go off then that's fine But just know what you're signing up for if you really want me to help you You really want to get rid of this pain you really want to feel better These are the things you got to do and this is how often you have to do them And so those are the type of conversations that I have with clients like this You just got to give them better perspective A lot of them have this distorted idea of What uh what getting in shape is like or losing those 50 last 15 pounds is going to be like and what they're actually really doing You got to help you have to you have to help give them that perspective and saying listen If you're okay with having pain and bitching about it and taking drugs every once in a while to make them feel better And that and you're okay with that then we keep up with this pattern that we have going on right now Where I ask you what you ate you forget because you didn't track it or you're not eating right or Another night we made three days in a row and then you had this like I'm okay with that I can still help you I can still teach you exercises and movements I can still make your life better and enhance it But if you want to make change and you want to you want to get better like leaner or more muscle you want to make progress Then we have to break some of these habits eventually you have to like have a serious conversation You know like like we all got to a position where we didn't feel right like taking the money because then it's like It's it's a reflection of also You know use a trainer and you're coaching with them And so I'd always like I got it to a point and I loved I loved this client to death But I mean he would wear my shirt, you know and he'd wear my shirt and like he He wouldn't do it. I tell him to do anymore He'd mess around like as he'd come in, you know, he wouldn't eat right and I'm just like, you know like You can't like rep me and then um, you not listen to anything I say. Well, I I learned my lesson Really strongly with this particular situation I I had a client and I had I've only done this a few times in my career But I sat down with her and really called her out and she left and never came back And uh, it was a learning lesson for me because I realized like what am I What am I really trying to get done here? Right? Are you are you really helping? Yeah, my goal is to make this help this person improve their health and wellness in some way Now this person was seeing me between one to two days a week Otherwise she did zero activity and she ate terribly Now what if she had continued continued to see me one or two days a week but continued doing the other stuff You know that like I said not exercising and eating horribly She's better off than she was before she's still better off Now because I sat down and told her you're wasting my time. You're not doing what I'm telling you And you know, you need to put more effort into this now she left and she's not doing any of it I have not helped her. Yeah at all and so Now that's a double-edged and I learned I learned my lesson with this because uh, I did her a disservice and I was I had lost my integrity in the sense that um, I This wasn't about her. This wasn't about my clients about me I'm taking it personally because it hurts my ego Because you're not doing what I tell you and I'm getting offended by it The reality is if you're a really good trainer, you need to meet your client where they are at Right me they meet these people where they're at and that might just be that's a great point at a very very very surface level And that's okay. Right. It's not it's not it's not your goal goals for her. It's her goals. That's his goal Yeah, we always get wrapped up in that because we feel so much pride, you know And that's it and don't identify and don't identify with it. It's it's it's them It's not, you know, don't make it about you but you know, that's why you gotta help that why I said you gotta You gotta help them gain perspective because most of the time they just don't have the right perspective They don't understand. They don't realize what they're doing is giving them the results. They currently have Yeah, you're you're when they when they look at you frustrated because they're not waiting It's like no you look and feel the way you feel because that's the results you get for what you've done so far You just explain it to them and you need to help them make that connection Now if you want more or you want these are the steps that we need to take to get there And I'm not going to tell you you have to like this is your life. This is your body I'm I've had clients that I trained for years That was completely complacent with being 30 pounds overweight and never and didn't lose it Yeah, never lost it because you know what they came to see me because I helped them move better And I burned the caliber of extra calories that kept them from blowing up and getting even bigger And as much as I thought they should lose 30 pounds and change some of their eating patterns and do other things like that It's not what made them happy. No, I was that was not what I was there for and you still added value To their lives. I mean when I learned this At up until this point the average client would stay with me for like a year or two Which is still much higher than the industry standard But when I finally figured this part out where I really had to meet my clients where they were at this point After that clients would stay with me for 10 or more years And I haven't trained any clients. That's old trying trainer wisdom It is you know, because like new young trainers coming in and like anybody like you're filled with so much Passion to change people's lives and like you want to motivate everybody. Yeah get thinking and like and that's where you know All that coming from it's like, you know, there's pride going into it and like, you know, they're representing me and like But think about that statement. It's all me. Well, look, I said this on the pursuit podcast the other day People don't realize that you know, literally less than 20 percent of our clients Actually reached their ultimate goal of fitness long term long term So if that's true and I'm I like to think I'm pretty good at what I do That means 80 percent are failing so most are gonna fail So what can I provide for these people that are inevitably probably going to fail at their ultimate fitness goal? I need to not I need to not get hung up on all this person could be here could be there It's like you still have influence because you're constantly talking to them Right and so you like I love that I think what sal said was such a great statement was that you you meet them Where they are, you know and they they are just not there yet Where they're willing to put the thing do the things they need to do to get to the next level And they need to be okay with that because you're not a magician You're not somebody who's gonna like do something magical in a session or tell them some all sudden game changing thing That's going to change all sudden change all this. They have to change patterns and habits I'll tell you what I haven't trained clients now and uh over a year and a half or whatever since we've been doing You know mine pump we went full time and all my old clients still working out and they're still doing it And these are all people that were never into exercise none of that And it's because I trained them and I got them past that three or four year five year mark They're with me for 10 years and now they've made lifestyle actual real lifestyle changes I have I've had clients who would came to me because they wanted to lose 30 pounds They didn't lose 30 pounds until like three years later and on their own It's like it finally clicked everything we've been talking about and I'm not hammering them I'm meeting where they're at All of a sudden three years later 30 pounds gone and then for the next six years You never know when it stays off click. That's a it's totally The the analogy of the lady I'm talking about right now I've been telling her the same things for a very long time And I got to her today and I was just like listen like here's the I'm going to give you and I I picked just five movements Like here's the deal that she she's got prime pro right and she uh, all of the prime pro exercises She needs to be doing but I know how daunting that is for her to do and sit down and do these repattering movements for five minutes And ask her to do 15 different exercises every so what I did was I said listen I'm going to pick the five most impactful ones I think will alleviate the issues that you have going on you need to do all of them when we can that's the goal Is to get there, but we're going to start here I'm going to take you through them to show you the intent that I want you to do them with And then after that I don't want you to see me for a couple weeks And then when I'm going to see you I'm going to know If you're doing those things and if you are I can progress you If you're not then I there's no reason for you to even see me because there's still you still need to do that And so you just got to have that kind of attitude and I think over time You you'll get that confidence Uh of what you can provide and do for them and you'll be you'll learn how to explain it better And I think that's really what it is is you're you're always trying to give them a better perception Of what that what they're doing and what it's adding up to and what you can do for them And what you can't do for them and what they need to do together, right? Next up is sweeter v What do you do for those nights when you just can't sleep? How does this affect your training the following day? um So I've never really had issues with uh going to sleep my issue was always Like okay now it's time to go to sleep So if I get stuck on something or I start reading Then um I can stay up all night long and I used to really get away with being able to do this and as I've gotten older Maybe I'm just more aware of how much it truly impacts me the following day You know There's it will impact you directly right away like if you have a shitty night of sleep Even if you think you feel awesome you drink lots of coffee There are real measurable effects it has on the body Sleep is one of the top most important things Uh that you should look at when it comes to not just muscle building and fat loss, but just overall health Now for one thing that I've started implementing, uh, and I started doing this. I don't know maybe Six months ago or so and I recommend this to all my clients Is a sleep routine And what I do is is I tell all my clients One hour before going to bed So if you know you need to go to bed at 10 at nine Turn all your electronics off and if you can Dim all your lights or turn off your lights and go by candlelight And we know that this has a positive effect on sleep quality Uh through study it does if you have electronics on right up into the minute you go to sleep It affects things like melatonin production while you're sleeping and the stages of sleep change a little bit versus Having that sleep routine. I also recommend that people take either a cold shower Believe it or not a cold shower an hour before bed. It will get you to sleep faster. Oh, really? Yeah, I know you would think it's the opposite. It stimulates. Yeah, you would think it's the opposite, but uh cooling a cool body Makes you sleep better than being hot. This is why they say sleep naked in a very cold. Well, I know for sure That's true. Yeah, I do like being I like it freezing cold Yeah, so I've actually messed around with this and it's true You don't want to do it right before bed, but like an hour before bed I'm gonna hold them to that when we go on these trips. You could do that. Oh my god You know how cold the water is I'll try it dude. I'm always looking on I'm always looking for more hacks in this arena. Here's the deal What are these nights that you just can't sleep? Yeah, you you have probably the worst. Well, I mean Here's how I feel though. Uh, what do I do on these nights now? Or what would I do? I would punch myself in the dick because I feel like I've hacked this already and if I'm having this issue That means I didn't do what I know what I'm supposed to do So I I've definitely This was an issue for me. This is something and I still do but if I do it's because I know what I did Like it's no longer like I used to have these sleepless nights And I wouldn't know why where now if I have a sleepless night or I toss and turn at night Oh, I know exactly why and it's my own fault, you know So now I'd like I said that didn't go through the process That's what I meant by I punched myself. I wouldn't literally punch myself in the dick But for me, that's like, hey, I get that's what you get, you know, I'm saying, you know better You should you got to do these things? What do you do? What have you been doing? So the electronic the electronical the electronical thing The turning off the electronics was the the biggest thing for me So that if I get it off by seven o'clock, so that's the goal always And I'll tell you It's it's hard just to have state consistent I've been saying this now if you've been listening to podcast for a long time I've been talking about this for quite some time I definitely and I know I've been called out. I know fucking Ron calls me out all the time He sees me on the forum. He's like, hey, what happened to your seven o'clock curfew like fuck you I'm in my private forum. I didn't get on here all day And I'm trying to spend some time in our community and I'm doing a solid for the team And you fucking call me out of my fucking seven o'clock, but yeah, that happens Sometimes I I don't get a chance to get in the forum And we all make a conscious effort to be in there as as much as we can answering questions, right? So It's a hard habit It's hard for me to train myself and really I allow myself the freedom on saturday and sunday It's monday through friday I tell myself Shut that fucker off at seven o'clock if I get the if I stay away from my phone From seven o'clock and then if I really want to sleep like a baby I do the the candle lights and the turn the lights up But sometimes, you know, Katrina's in the kitchen and doing things and I don't I can't expect the house I have to stop my caffeine consumption like before four. Oh, that's a no brain. Yes. It's usually no Like I say that but like it's such a Um, like if I'm working on something on the computer, I'll catch myself getting uh, I don't even look at the clock Or what time it is. Oh, you don't know after lunch. It is a habit of mine Then I'll make that mistake. Oh my god, and then that will totally affect me that night And then my brain will spin all night And yeah, it does affect my workouts, you know the following day if I don't get that kind of like quality sleep that we just We feel and it it charges you it it really helps you to recover It's just like carrying that it like if it's not gonna affect that work out It's gonna affect the one after that, you know, then it's like this snowballing sort of effect. So Um, it's dude sleep is very important. Yeah, brain FM has been the other big one for me Do you use that nightly or only when you feel like you need it? Exactly So I believe that I don't think as much as I promote brain FM You don't want to abuse it Well, yeah, because then we're I mean we talk about all the time our bodies are adaptation machines. So my body I don't have you lowered your consumption of cannabis too. Like alternated that. Um, no, I have a very, uh, consistent intake of cannabis and also Like I come off like so if I've been if I find myself where it's been like four weeks Where I've been consistently smoking every single night I'll take a I'll take a day or two off for sure if I feel like I've stretched that even longer Then I'll add even more days off too much of that and I can't sleep man too much cannabis and I am Oh, yeah, I only can do a couple hits if I do I'm literally I take two puffs I smoke from a joint which is not ideal and I know that I should vaporize and blah But I have literally two puffs off a joint and that's it And it's just enough to settle me down put me to sleep And otherwise if I have four or five I'll get all wired. I get all wired and chatty, you know, I want to yeah, I get too high. Yeah, I'm not trying to get You know, I'll be right for bed. There's a there's a very very strong psychological component That contributes to sleep as well. So And it's it sounds it sounds like this wouldn't be true But it is the more nights you can string together Of good sleep the more likely you are to have good sleep Because you've become you're you're less stressed out about not getting good sleep So part of the reason why the sleep routine works also is because it's a routine You're setting yourself up. You're relaxing it worked last time It's going to work again and that there's that psychological component of oh, okay I think this is going to work again and then sure enough it does using uh Substances or products like brain FM all the time can also do the same thing meaning you'll have to have them When I don't have it maybe maybe my body's fine without it But now I feel like I need it and I have to have it and that can influence me So there's a huge psychological component here The other thing that I recommend to people is to do a mindfulness practice Before bed one of the easiest things you can do is just belly breathe right there in bed Lay on your back Breathe into your belly have your belly rise Hold, you know, hold your hold it a little bit breathe out Uh, you know, hold that a little bit and just do that back and forth and and and relax And relax your entire body. Yeah, and you'll see how much better you feel and the The whole slow walking thing. Oh slow walk meditation. Yeah, Courtney and I have been doing that and that's that's really helped a lot You guys actually do that together Since I'm so turkey dude, I can't admit that I would love to see that I've tried to get her on the whim Love to be like because whim off breathing with me, but she's just she's not she's not like in it like I tried I I do I still do my barefoot walking when we walk the dogs and katrina doesn't normally do it But she'll walk with me But it'll be pretty funny to do the she'd she'd be pissed if I she knew I said that Yeah, she she cares about being cool more than me Yeah, I mean you think I care about that. Uh camel milte. That's another one too camel milte. You can use regularly Um, and it helps settle you down. I love camel milte. All right. Our next question is from garret morelle Do you guys believe in aliens? Who picked this one? He thought it was me, you know, it's funny. So I was watching Um into the cosmos with uh neil Neil de grass tyson. Yeah, and smart the very first the very first episode of it He's talking about the vastness uh and the of the universe how big it is And how big the observable universe is and how that's probably A part of what they call a multiverse and the vastness of the size of the universe Is so incomprehensible. I was literally watching it and almost getting emotional at all. It makes me weird Yeah, I get weirded out when I watch it. It's just so crazy at how it's like your brain can't fathom that much space The string theory on top of that. It's so big that you like you travel as fast as universe allows you to travel You'll never reach Outside of the you know outside of our own solar system in your lifetime Let alone, you know out of out of our galaxy right or at the edge of the universe So yeah with if in fact life is what we think it is as we experience it this organic Life that evolved on a planet or whatever The odds that life don't exist life doesn't exist somewhere else in this incredibly immense and unfathomably old universe Is incomprehensibly small he's a lot of big words there. Yeah, of course life Exists somewhere else out there. I think the real question is Where would that look like what would it look like and would we recognize it if we saw it? There are other dimensions to existence and Maybe we're around other forms of life now and we just can't we can't perceive them or experience them The same way a two-dimensional being wouldn't be able to perceive the third dimension So that's the real question the second one the second thing that makes me trip out is If you know the universe is as old as we think it is and as big as it is And if the nature of life is similar to our what we do here on earth the nature of life is to create its own self aware life Then the odds are that we are some kind of somebody else's Creation, right, you know and it could actually I've thought about that It could actually be many many many many many layers deep We'll think about our next creation, which is artificial intelligence and what that's gonna look like I mean we're gonna be sending these things out, you know to places remote places different planets where we couldn't Otherwise because it doesn't support life, but it could support robots. It's it's it's we've identified Uh, and I can't remember the name of these little little buggers this little species of I don't know what they're considered If I don't think they're a bacteria, but there's little I know you've seen pictures of them They have this like this tube nose looking thing and these little claws and oh, yeah And they survive in the vacuum of space They survive in the hottest Parts of earth and in the coldest parts of earth And they can survive for long periods of time without food and so it's like well There's evidence of life that could that could probably live almost anywhere travel through space On a meteor and be seated on another planet. Oh, yeah, you know, oh, yeah that I mean that's one of the prevailing theories, right? Is the Pan sperm, yeah, I definitely believe there are other sheep and other pens for sure Um, I don't know if aliens is what I would I would I don't know I think aliens that's what that's what you would call them, right? Well aliens is what we call them, right? I mean we could be the alien, right? You know when you think of it like that like yeah for all we know There was something someone someone like you said so far started in mars Like yeah, that's as far as far as we're not even getting that far yet Like we're not even getting that far or something could be so much further on the other side No, the voyager I think when we launched the voyager like 1973 or something like that. Yeah I think it just left the the the solar system. It's been flying out there that long At ridiculous speeds, and I think it just reached the edge of our solar system And I think on the voyager There's a record Of us talking about Mankind noises there's an anatomical baby crying. Yeah, there's music there's mathematical equations There's like a picture of an anatomically correct human male and female You know just in case somebody finds it or whatever. Yeah pretty crazy, right? This gold record. Yeah, it's a gold. What if we just like sent what if like some old record? Because it it'll it'll last longer. So this is the technology of the time, right? It's not digital It's this but what if like some like invasive species finds it and they're like we leave our address on that Shit Yeah, right we're looking for somewhere to live. Oh, look at these idiots. They actually send us a map I think you know if we do find life In Out there somewhere it'll probably find find us first if it hasn't already. Yeah, and will it be organic life? I don't know. I don't think it'll be organic. I think it'll be post I think it's more likely post organic I think it's more likely like you said the panspermia thing where it's just bacteria Like little little small life forms that have been able to travel that far of a distance to get here You know, they're going to hitch on to something more than likely and they've they've already been doing that Like we I'm sure like we've been getting little meteorites hitting and like, you know, this this bacteria or whatever form it is It's already been part of our you know ever changing like in like landscape. So fucking weird I think it's a fascinating theory with the Talking about will it be organic or will it be artificial? And I think I I think that's a really cool Thing to think about because that that's something in our very near future Yeah, because then we're gonna have to redefine artificial. Did you see what happened on at facebook yesterday? You didn't see that on the all over the news So I think it was yesterday So the two ai programs that facebook had running or or whatever they had to shut down Oh, no, that wasn't yesterday. It was a little while ago. Oh, it was yeah Was this the one where so I read this so they created their own language. Yes. Oh, oh, yeah So they created two You know these computers that uh could learn from each other artificially or learn from you know Their own mistakes and learn from each other and these two computers started communicating in a language that they invented Yeah So they shut them down He's like, how do we escape these humans? They've created us kill them easy Yeah, you know what I'm saying and here's the other thing like you're speaking pig latin. So so think about it this way too like If if post organic life exists Would it exist in this? Material world or would it not create its own reality in something that's super small in other words Why would like people are always afraid that artificial intelligence is going to see us as a threat and destroy us I think that they wouldn't even see us as anything. I think they would just go into their own internet and disappear That's the premise that hurt or don't you think if okay So if you take like a theory from like black mirror how they like we'll be able to you know And like what they're saying in the next 40 years it will be able to download our consciousness and then upload it to another meat wagon Then I would think like imagine if we had imagine if we had the capabilities of right before you die So you get to say you pay your half a million dollars that you saved up your whole entire life to make sure you Still can continue to live on through another body, right? And it's your consciousness. They download your consciousness on a main hard drive You that they then upload it to another artificial and you know And that you now your consciousness now download it into this. Well, so here's so and then think we overpopulate this area So we've now set ourselves up on the moon and mars and it doesn't matter that Life because they're artificial so we can we can program or create them to be able to live in an area like that Taking a step further really your soul is the my point my point is saying that going going down going going down that rabbit hole is that We wouldn't go looking to go kill somebody or get on somebody else's world, right? If there if there is life, you know eons away from us Then I doubt they would be in search of us that hard They would probably be caring more about procreating themselves and taking care of there like we're we're what are we doing? We're we're continuing to destroy this place until we're gonna have to go somewhere else I think they'll probably just watch us and in laugh and be like oh look at those primitive I you know so so this will get your mind spinning if they're not already this will get your mind spinning Let's just say we do have the technology to download your consciousness to a computer, right? So now you're inside this computer land or you're in another body Is that you or is it a perfect copy of you? It's a perfect copy of you know what i'm saying? Like you still died, but you don't care though. You still died But now I still see adam over here and i'm like, oh, it's you adam. You're like at still Dude, yeah weird, huh like I got these metal arms. Yeah like far that I don't know man. I tell you what we're at the beginning of uh, we're we're witnessing the beginning of this kind of planetary Where humans are communicating on a planetary scale where people are starting to we're starting to merge into this massive You know planetary, you know culture, which is going to happen over the next Hundred years or so with with technology the way it's working. It's pretty crazy I I don't know if I want to be alive when all this stuff happens. I don't know if it'll be something I can even deal with you know, I'm saying yeah I might I want to imagine being that you will be like the old people that are telling everybody. They're crazy You know with all those I don't know Well, yeah, right by then they'll have like some way to reverse our aging and all that and we'll be just fine We'll be the same history does tell us that we are bound to be the old guy on the rocker Rocking back and forth talking about the good old days and how you all you kids are doing this weird shit So I mean we used to fuck people when I was a kid Right. That's what I'm saying. It's what it's so weird to us What they're doing will be so weird and so I have no you'll have no desire because you're completely content with the way things Were and I think that's how so many like how many 80 year olds that talk like that, right? They talk to them. They're just like I'm content with what I have And what I and you create that for yourself at one point Well, dude, like on this on the cosmos again I love watching stuff like that because it just these are these are all subjects I'm passionate about and What's crazy is all life on earth all life on earth has the same Basic four molecules that create their DNA. They're all sourced from the same fucking place It's just a different combination of the same program, but it's a it's a it's a program It's definitely a program that contains information that tells a potato to be a potato Or we change some of the stuff and then it makes you a human ones and zeros And if you go back far enough exactly if you go back far enough you can see we all share Similar fundamental traits like turning glucose into energy or using oxygen or water Those particular codes exist in most things genes because it's such a fundamental Component of life on earth that a banana has it and so does a monkey and so does a dog and so does bacteria It's it's fucking crazy. It's really really crazy if you think about and I swear to god, dude It sounds like we were all created by some other Artificial intelligence or I know you guys are looking at me god. Whatever you want to call it Oh, you just proved it. She said it out of his mouth Team jesus All right, so check it out. 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