 I think we're just waiting for Lauren and Jeremy if they can join, that would give us quorum. Right, Michael? Yes, I think that is correct. But maybe in the meantime, can we just give Ella, like, update on where things stand with the sign-on? Would you be pleased to, and just stop me when everybody, when the quorum is here or whatever. We are either at 94, 95, I think we're 95 as of last night. And interestingly, somebody at a meeting last night said they heard that Waybridge had adopted a declaration, which would be really, really great because they would have done that on their own. We have not been in touch with them and that's really wonderful when communities decide on their own that they are going to move forward. So I've got to check that out this morning so that would make an additional one. But as I said, we're at 94, 95, 96, I'm not sure which. Jamaica adopted that meeting that we participated in on Monday night and that was after a bit of an interesting struggle as such. But it was a good struggle. They had an anti-hate statement, very, very strong anti-hate statement, which derived out of some issues that they had in Jamaica. And they wanted that to stand as a declaration of inclusion and we've certainly supported the anti-hate statement. It was very, very strong but felt that that was not a welcoming statement that the declaration of inclusion is. And so we worked with them to try to combine them to make an even stronger statement. And that came through, I think. The thought process was good. The level of community participation was good and it just felt good when it finally got done on Monday night. And so we're moving towards a goal of 100 by May and it looks like that's reachable. Like next week. Yeah. That could be next week, but we, operationally we set a goal internally of 105 so that we could ensure that we'd be motivated to get to 100. So that's kind of where we are. You might have heard that two communities had voted, which had voted rescinded. And for two different reasons, or three or four different reasons, we're not sure we understand. We don't know or even if they understand why they rescinded, but our feeling was that they probably weren't enthusiastic about adopting in the first place. And they found a reason to get out after some voices were expressed. Those being Highgate, which you probably read about in the newspaper more recently, Huberton, which is down here. So we've not been in contact with them because they have not responded to our offer to talk with them, to dialogue and see where we come out. So we just kind of let those go and move on to more welcoming, if you will, communities to spread the word. And when we get to 100, we'll be sending out a congratulatory letter and imploring those communities to move more aggressively or take the next step, you know, in terms of adoption of implementation. We're trying to get the governor to speak out more forcefully about inclusion week and about inclusion. And so folks are working on that. So we'll see what happens. We suspect he will reissue the declaration, the proclamation rather, but we want him to be more visibly vocal on this issue. So we'll see what happens. So that's kind of an overview. Thanks so much. Yeah, I think, you know, following all this stuff and continuing to talk about it. You know, I don't think anything's changed since the last time you were on, which is or maybe more solidified of we're going to be introducing the language or with the new city council, because there is just like so much change over with the city council. And so when you're like full understanding and opt in and operationalizing, like really wanting to start off strong with the new city council with this. And so the dates that we're looking at are March 22nd. Is that city council meeting? And then if for whatever reason, I can't get it on to that agenda. It would be the next one, which would be April 5th. So still plenty of time before the week. But also we we probably will be after 100 for sure. Yeah. All right, well, we're not going to hold out for you, but but we're just we'll just move and say our target was was 100 and whatever it is. We're I know I'm going to get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll leave it there. It's great. Great. Let's get 250. Right. Yeah, I don't know what the targets are. You know, what we really want to do is kind of stop that not stop fully. Obviously, you don't want to lose the momentum, but I evaluate where we are and see what communities are doing because it's one step to adopt. It's another step to to begin to to to live the the declaration. As such, and it's kind of pointless to have, you know, 246 towns say, yeah, we adopted and then nothing happens after that. So we kind of want to go back and say, OK, what have you done? You know, since since you adopted and see what that looks like. And then as we continue to move towards, you know, whatever the next target is another, you know, 25 and six months or 15, you know, whatever. Yeah. So do you need me in this meeting? Do you need more from me? Or I'd be pleased to stay if I can contribute. I looked at your decorate. I think it's I think what you're going forward with certainly aligns itself very strongly with with whatever what other towns are doing and more. And you've obviously thought very thoroughly and seriously through this. You the committee is is doing some really, really fine work and we congratulate you. So I think it is well, I think I think we we know our next steps and just a matter of getting it before the city council. Well, let us know what you have marked it down March 22nd and and in April 5th. So let me know and we'll be at your next meeting. Just kind of, you know, sitting in the corner, seeing what what goes on. How's that sound? Sounds great. OK, thanks so much. Follow me. I'll give you updates as they come about. So, you know, what the latest is both the good and hopefully no bad. But we'll give you the state of the state of play in Vermont. OK. Awesome. OK, guys. Have a good week. Yeah, you too. Yeah. All right, you too. Well, Jeremy and Michael and I were sharing before this trend was like, how has it been two weeks already? Again, what is happening? What is how does this keep happening to us and that we didn't have like the minute circulated and and the agenda was just like other business, um, but I think let me pull it up here again. Um, I think to just check in on was like no American voter outreach. Checking in on the Elks Club project and then talking about recruitment and updating the committee application process. Is that right? Or is there other things that we should talk about on this agenda? Just pulling up document. It seems like those are the things review application and offer. Oh, yeah, yeah. OK, maybe real quick for the Elks Club project is that I just got invited yesterday to meet with Josh at one o'clock, one to one thirty today. If that time works for anyone else, too, I can invite you right now to that calendar. It's just like, you know, zoom, zoom invitation. Not available. Mike, what is it that you're talking about? No country club engagement. So of like, you know, how a community engagement, you know, those are the proposals I put forward before just checking in on it. So, yeah, I can send it out to the whole list, too, just in case someone wants to join. Well, yes, I'll I'm not sure where I'll be. But if you send the you just certainly at the link it's a zoom meeting. Is that right? Yeah. OK, so if I'm available, I will attend. Not sure. I'm trying to get a bunch of things done. I'm going to be away from the twenty fourth of February through March 10th. So I think I miss at least one meeting. I'll miss one meeting. Where will you be? New Zealand. Oh, my gosh. Take me with you. Well, I just learned the last night that New Zealand, all of New Zealand is under a state of emergency because a cyclone hit up on the north north part of the North Island. Oh, my gosh. It's done nationwide damage. So I'm not sure where I'll where I will be. But plan is that I'll be in New Zealand. I had no idea. I hadn't seen that at all. Well, I had a good friend of mine in Chicago sent me a word about it. And I said, oh, goodness, there goes the whole trip. We'll see. Me and I hope we get some place warm, regardless. Since you're talking about calendars, I also will be out of town for our March 1st meeting. And that's also when Michael will be on. So let's just go ahead and cancel that. That makes sense, right? Because they'll be much less likely to have a quorum. And what day was that to cancel? March 1st, right? Because Michael and Jeremy will be out. And then I'll be on the next. And then Carol, we just got an update from Al on the on the on the. Declaration of inclusion. Declaration of inclusion. Thank you for the words come to me. Um, and. And then we're just setting the agenda of and recognize that at one, one o'clock, one to one 30 today, I'm going to be checking in with Josh about the country club road project. That's the earliest we could meet. And so I also invited Michael. But are you available or would you be interested? Should I invite you here real quick too? If you're muted. Yeah, sorry. So one o'clock today. There's something going on already, but. OK, no worries. Yeah, so I mean, what that it's, it's a. Volunteer appreciation for the the senior center of volunteers. So I kind of wanted to show up for that for a little bit. But so the meeting is on Zoom with Josh. Yeah, don't don't. I think that's fine. Yeah, if you can't, if you have something else going on, don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I potentially could do both. So I could show up, you know, for the volunteer thing for a little bit and then join the meeting if that would be helpful. I'll invite you, but I think don't. Yeah, don't stress. Yeah, I was wanting to. That's a 130 is you said one to one 30. Oh, one to one one. Yeah. OK. And so then the only other thing on our agenda was to check out about like recruitment and the committee application process. Do we want to go ahead and. And do do that right now today? Or yeah, what's the kind of what's the process that we should any any thoughts on process for that besides pulling up a sharing screen? Well, I'll note that I had assigned myself a task, which I did not complete. And that was doing it at first. No, that was to write, try and get some kind of a boilerplate like call to recruitment for the committee. So that is still something I need. I would I can do. I will do. Awesome. That we can use to send around. Thank you. And then let me just pull it up real quick. I clicked the wrong button. Sorry. Now it's pulling up Montpelier life. Here we go. Or someone can feed me to it. And I'll just take notes in an email that I can send. So for the committee application, the notes that I had here before are education versus experience, wanting to make sure we can get demographic questions, language options and having open ended questions. And then we review the application and offer some comments. So can everyone does everyone see the community application or should I would it be helpful to share my screen? I don't see it, but so is that an application that's used for every committee for the city? It's the same one. OK. And we're just making recommendations for changes to it for everyone. Right. Yeah. And it's in the chat. Carol, I just like. OK. But if that doesn't work, I just got it. Thanks. And so maybe first, like for the demographic questions, the way that it is now is it's after you submit it, there is then a link that you can click to enter in a survey. And so. Just noting that, I think, is all. Oh, and because we wanted to get the. Link to four site buttons and note about statements in it. So are we proposing that we even remove education as something that's on there? That would be my suggestion, because I think I think that, you know, for I mean, just thinking about the people that we work with, if we were really trying to attract those folks, we would just take that off altogether because, you know, I think that people would feel like that was a barrier. Taking which off? Education. Oh, what I was wondering, Carol, on that is. What if we kind of refrained what we're asking for and actually move it to the end? So I'm wondering, it could be useful if somebody feels they have a certain education or credential or whatever that kind of informs how they would participate in a particular committee. I mean, that could be useful to know, perhaps. So deemphasize it, kind of make sure it's lower on the list of priorities, change the language a bit to be more as an optional kind of request. Yeah, I like that idea because and saying something like, and are there other things that you want to include that you think would be helpful for us to know? And then in parentheses, education, no, whatever. Skills, specific skills, that kind of thing. Yeah, I did that. Yeah, because right now it's just a lot, too. Yeah, it's only filled out once. But like it took me, I was like very stressed writing it and because I was applying for two, I think as I shared this, I was like, I applied for the rest of the committee and the and this committee at the same time. And it was it was a lot. Yeah, I would. Cation, professional activities, community activities and why are you interested in serving and what talents, experience and any other comments. And I was like, I think we can probably schmooch those more together, right? Yeah, and reorder. I mean, I would almost lead with the why are you interested in serving on this board or committee? Like that's people are here because they feel they feel a sense of like, I want to be a part of this. Let's let's get them hooked on writing about that first. And then ask the other kinds of things we might want to know. Then it's totally asset based, you know, and and recognizing their assets and letting them off for what they think is important. Do you want to propose some language, Jeremy, for like what the questions would be? Can we do that? Yeah. Sorry to put you on the spot. The one question I have is, are you registered? Are you a registered voter in the city of Montpelier? Yeah. For first of all, it's not required, as I understand it, to be. You have to be a voter or a resident. Yeah. Not. No, you don't, actually. Neither. You don't have to be a resident here. Right. But it's a star. It's a star here is a required answer. Right. It's required that you do answer it. But do we just want to move that into the demographic questions afterwards and collect that demographic information? Well, my question is, why do we have to ask the question at all if it's not a requirement of the city council? And I'm not sure about age, if there's an age requirement. That's a good question if we wanted because we've often talked about maybe high school age. Well, and we have someone running the city council who's a senior in high school right now. So. But it may serve as a staff, you might have to be 18 or older or something like as a but like, yeah, definitely not. For a volunteer committee position, right? Well, yeah, I mean, if if that's not required, a requirement set by the city, why do we ask? Why are we asking it in this application? I think it would be nice to get more members of our community involved, but I don't know that. We need to ask that question. Any other toggle questions before words, nothing, the actual questions like that the very end, it's like, I think there's a couple of like trying to get conflict of interest disclosure. So it's like, are you involved in any personal, professional or business pursuits that would affect your ability to make fair and impartial recommendations? And it's like, there's only a box to disclose if it's yes, obvious. I mean, not obviously, but. What what's on the demographic survey? That's what I'm trying to get now, because the I remembered when Cameron did it. I thought she had said it was when you submit, like the email or like the next page that came up was a link to the voluntary demographic survey. And I just hit it and I'm just getting submission confirmation, the city of my pillar and committee application has been successfully submitted. Thank you for your interest in serving, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. For more information, please contact city manager's office or email Jay Granfeld. So that's outdated. So update that information. Oopsies. And I haven't gotten an email with anything other than that either, too. Ellie, if you're there, do you know where that demographic information is getting collected or going to? Sorry, I am. Oh, you're on the phone. So I've got tech support on the phone. So I'm trying to do a couple of different things at once. And I totally. So I actually have a note to update that form. And I don't know where the demographic pieces are, but we can certainly connect with Mary Smith, who is the new Jamie and see what that is for you. That seems like a problem. Yeah. And include the like. Application for. Definitely timely, though. We do have a committee chair meeting next Wednesday just to kind of like go over process and like our application isn't up to date. Well, yeah, that's something for sure. So I actually have a meeting later this week that I'll know and work on trying to get that squared away. Great. I can email you these. Yes. These notes that we're taking right away. Yeah, that sounds awesome. Thank you very much. Um, so wording for these, I'm like, please answer each question as much detail as possible. And I'm always like, please don't write as much detail as possible. You know, like, please provide relevant information. Well, we have relevant information. Please use bullet points. Yeah, I'm just doing a little writing over here to work on the questions. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. And I'm going to see if I can find that. That's a graphic survey questions. I remember being a lot of conversations about like, how are we grouping race and how are we like, what kinds of questions are we asking for? Like, there were a lot. There was a lot that we. But you can't ask directly about race. It's not that's that's how we figured this all out was that it was you submit the application and then it takes you to saying, oh, like, please, like we're we're we're trying to evaluate how we're doing it, like reaching out to folks a month, you know. And so if you want to volunteer to click this link, then you can do that. That's like a separate form. It's like not connected. And that seems to have gone missing. But it was it was not connected. And we were asking about race. Engender to and like and income. Mm hmm. I've got the polko survey. Oh, my goodness. I'm sorry, guys, I'm still. All right, I'm going to paste. And draft in the chat for this is just for the question portion. Or the the open comment question. And just for the record, I'm not finding my. Notes about the. Demographic survey, so who knows, maybe I dreamed it. I think that seems great. That's so simple and much better. What do you think about a character limit? I mean, to be brief can be helpful if you're reviewing a lot of these. I don't know if that's the case, but helps people be specifically a little more focused, perhaps in their writing. I feel like for grant applications, it's so hard because, you know, when there's like a super short limit, you're like, I'm trying to share all this cool stuff about my like, it's some exercise and writing. I don't feel super, I feel both ways, I guess. I have two questions. And the first is, are there job descriptions? There must be job descriptions for each committee online somewhere. I'm assuming that's on the website, which I think in the intro should point to that, you know, that read the job description or, you know, to make sure that they are answering the questions so that they're related to the committee they want to buy for. And then what's is there an interview process or do they just show up for they show up for their so they get assigned before they even have a conversation with anybody about serving? I mean, before I even give people an application, right, you could say it, you could say in the preface to the questions that candidates are encouraged to have a conversation with a current committee member, chair or member. So that and then I guess also say, you know, they can find it. That information is available at the on the city website so that they know where to go to, you know, who to look to locate people. I mean, I'm bringing that up because of the recent issue with the Arts Commission thing and. You know, it might not have gotten as far as that person even applying. I think he's he probably still would have. But, you know, from my perspective, that even though we have people who apply and we bring them on and then they get kind of paired to a panel, we have, you know, I do an intake with everybody who wants to be a volunteer before I even give them an application because we're looking for an appropriate fit and then even, you know, when you join the team, like, I think there should be just a kind of a team building period, right? Like, I think that that's really important. Yeah, I agree. I've served on some committee. I didn't know exactly what I was getting into and I think that's really important in terms of what what expertise, in fact, do you bring to the committee and how much time does that represent what kind of commitment are you making? So I think there needs to be more in the preface. It's also like, you know, taking on a new volunteer job, right? Like, it's like taking on a job. So is it going to be a good fit? Which is exactly what happened with the Arts Commission. Like, you know, that didn't seem like it was going to be a good fit. So I think that's important for the success of the team as well. I mean, I, you know, I can see it both ways where it's just like, oh, this, you know, the city council wants to say, yeah, even if there's going to be controversy because that person is part of the team. Yeah, I think I'm feeling a little torn about this because I think yeah, and see, Jack, we've also, we had someone join who was not the right fit to use that language. And, you know, we've, we've gone through this too. And I feel like the language of like who is a right, like the, and even like the intention around like who is the right fit for a committee is like baked in like who belongs in Montpelier questions, you know, and like end of like who, who's making decisions on behalf of the city and just really wanting to, I think I would much rather err on the side of having these tensions and having the wrong people on committees and people feel like they can't apply or like feel like they have to go through an interview process or be kind of evaluated before being appointed to a volunteer committee role, you know, like, yeah, I think I would, I would much rather like be more turnover than people not feel welcome to apply. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. I. Yeah, that's why I think like the orientation and the, you know, creating some group norms, I think is important. And I say that because of like a board that I serve on in my community and, you know, a couple of people were some appointments to fill a couple of open positions, and it was not going well. I mean, it was really causing a lot of harm to to our library board. So, well, I will say that this committee itself had a very rocky start because people were sort of applying, getting accepted, and then coming to one or two meetings and moving off. Yeah, it really took a long time to get to get really settled. I'm a little concerned about, you know, thinking about a pre pre acceptance interview. I mean, I think it's important to get information, but sort of figuring out what's the dynamics of the of a committee, you know, maybe somebody who wants to get on a committee to take it down. And because for one reason or another, it's good to know that because that's a perspective that, you know, once you're once you're entrenched in a committee, you don't want to see it just taken apart. But on the other hand, we need I don't think it's it's useful or all that helpful to have dissenting voices even in a committee. And, you know, sometimes maybe it's really just like more of an orientation so that they fully understand what they're getting into. I absolutely agree with that. And that, well, you and I went through that, Carol. And, and, you know, how much of a commitment is a person willing to make to this and really knowing what the commitment what the commitment is. Right. And I do agree that that is very important because you don't want someone getting on the committee and then just, you know, not coming or deciding, oh, I don't have anything to contribute to this or I'm not interested really. It just it's a waste of everybody's time and energy and good feeling to. But I think we have to be careful about shutting down dissent. We don't really understand and and might but might find useful. Well, in the application, does this does this committee make recommendations to the city council based on the so they just do it on their own? No answer committee is to yeah, people applying can get appointed without ever anyone on the committee knowing like there's no like, hey, this person applied, do you want to show up to the next committee meeting to, to, you know, connect with them or whatever. So we collaborative approach. I mean, I can I can understand it. I mean, we're all volunteers. I'm looking at you, Shane, as the chair, like to put more work on you to kind of be an employer in terms of evaluating people. Meeting with folks, you know, it's a lot to ask of, you know, I think a volunteer group, but I'm wondering, do we do we want to add a statement in the preface about encouraging people to reach out to a current committee member or chair just for information purposes and figure out how to make that clear what the information is that to do that. Yeah, I think if we all go ahead, go ahead. I mean, yeah, I think I think that makes sense. And I think, I think there's a difference between encouraging people to reach out to learn more about what the commitment and the committee is about is different than asking for like an evaluation process. And I think I'm more concerned about that, not from the time time perspective, but from a like distributing power perspective, right? And like, who are the committee chairs now? And like, why are we doing this whole process and who do we want? That does it like, you know, how do we want to move power in the committee chairs? And so like that feels really important that it's not right, that it's it's, you know, pending, pending more work to be done about like the intentions of distributing power and like kind of evaluating candidates for committees. I think it's more like the city council should just be making the decisions about who should be going on committees. And then and then when they when they join, they should that be like everyone should be like equally or equitably trained up and and supported for success in the committees. That's a lot of words to say, like a very simple thing of like, we're all racist. And like, let's just make sure we're not like putting that lens on our review process as much as we can. Yeah. I'm I think this is a good conversation. I would love to hear from Lauren about this, just to see what council is kind of thinking about when they have to review these applications. And I'm just curious, like, what information she feels is useful for a council when they're reviewing. Because maybe it helps us even cut a little bit more out, or maybe we're we're condensing things that they wouldn't want condensed. So I think this is this is a good like first pass. And I would love to hear from Lauren. Yeah. So just to clarify, these questions, these these one, two, three, five questions, all that you want that you were thinking would go on the application other than name, address, contact information, things like that. Oh, I hadn't. I did not take a look at the kind of yes, no questions. This is just the long, the long answer questions that I was. Yeah. Interesting. Let's see. I think other than I think the first three of the of the yes, no questions are irrelevant. But are you related to any city counsellor? I'm not sure. Is there a problem about conflict of interest that that question is getting at? I mean, I mean, why are any of these why are any of these yes, no questions here now? Right. Move the question of relation down to the the conflict of intersection. Is that what you're suggesting? Other comments and well, there is one there's one more. Are you involved in any personal professional business that and you could put that there? If those are disqualifiers, I think that that's important to to make clear that you know, the nepotism question is always is always something that has to be addressed one way or another. And I suppose if you were have pending litigation against the city, I don't know how the city could, you know, if someone says yes, for example, as we had recently and wants to be on a committee, can you legitimately disqualify somebody on that reason? And that's that's so should it be there at all then? Is that a question for any of the city's legal? I would think so. Berman, I think it's something certainly to be checked with the legal department. You know, which of these questions, you know, are is relevant and and legal? What was that? What in legal? I want to want to ensure they are great. I mean, I will say that by making all the questions open ended, it does exactly what Shane is concerned about, you know, puts a burden on the applicant to spend a lot of time thinking about that. But it's good. It's that these questions, I think, are more important to know than yes, no questions. Let me share this draft here real quick. Um, just a demographic survey and to. The has put that in the chat. Oh, and the spacing didn't work out. Sorry. A little block of text there. I think that the question about being related is an interesting one because I mean, what if you are partnered with somebody and you, you know, been together for 15 years, but you're not married? But, you know, and you're not a blood relative, like, I don't know, I mean, really, I mean, I see why, you know, it's important, but does it make any difference? My wife, Nancy, was on the city council and I was serving on at least two boards at that time. I wasn't disqualified because she was a council member, right? And our city clerk is married to a city councilor. So, you know, yeah, I would think that's not a question worth. Well, I mean, sure, maybe you want to know that, but. Well, being clear about why I'm not sure that you even need to you even need to know that because the rules about recusing are you basically self-recused. And it's a conflict, that's a conflict of interest question, right? Well, right, they're all conflict of interest questions. But if it's like, it's not a conflict of interest to serve because it's like noting that it's because we have a self-recusal policy. OK, yeah, about keeping pending litigation and keeping are you involved in any pursuit that would affect your ability to make fair and impartial recommendations, right? Am I capturing that, right? I think keep those. That's what I'm offering, but I'm up for any discussion. That's why I think we need to have a legal department. Look at that question about any pending litigation, whether that is this quality, it's pending, right? It's not as if the litigation has been resolved against you, but. I think we have to be careful about that, given recent history. Sure. I mean, it seems like the reason it's there is, you know, because legal said, you know, you know how to put that on there. Well, it would be good to know that that's for sure. Yeah, yeah. I'm on the the question, the question of whether or not the the question named the city city board or committee, if applying for more than one, I I would prefer that if you're applying for more than one at this at at one time, that you submit separate applications for each one. I feel like that's maybe a question for a city council. Like, yeah, is that what they would prefer? OK, OK. You would hope to be answering, you know, specific to what committee they're applying for. So that's why that's why I made that comment. Yeah. Well, that's my I applied for restroom committee and see Jack in the same application. So it was very, very different expertise that I was bringing for some of us. Yeah. Um, OK, question for city council, do we want to have would we want to request? So I'm going to have to go. We just left because we have a meeting at nine for leadership. So. Great notes and see you the next time. Oh, we have any other questions for city council. I'm sorry, we all have to hop in just a second here, too. Thank you so much, Carol. Yeah, see you soon. Have a good day. We want to separate applications for each committee. I think that's easier on the committee and it's easier on the applicant. Yeah. Yeah. And it's easier on the council to actually. Yeah. But I think I think it's the idea of passing this by Lauren before we get too far down the road. It's a good idea. We want to ask Lauren about the. Um, yeah, I'll just put that in here. Um, do we. All right, I'm going to share a block of text in the chat once again. Here we go. Thank you guys. Oh. It is really a lot. Um, one, one thing to relieve the pressure on, on the just, just committee chairs. It could be or. Committee chair or member. I mean, I think. Yeah, I'll just put that in here. Um, do we. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Committee chair or member. I mean, I think. I'm sorry. Can you, can you say that again? I'm, I can find it. Um, Second question. Okay. If we encourage applicants to reach out to city. Um, and should that be. Or members. I think it, yeah. Yep. Great. Otherwise you, otherwise you'd be getting all the inquiries. And then you'd be flooded with so many people wanting to join. Especially because you have, you have so many other commitments. I mean, I think we need to sort of, we need to at least offer the possibility of sharing that. That responsibility of talking with people who are interested in. So that's a small point, but what else. Oh my God. And the questions didn't make it in. Oh my God. I'm an idiot. Okay. I'm also wondering. Okay. If we want to make. Paper versions of this available. Somewhere. Yes. I don't know if they already are, but. And we're talking about translation. We could put them on our, our, um. What is it the way? Why do you want to make paper versions of this? I guess I just got lost in my own thinking here. So I'm, I'm wondering. You know, it's increasingly less likely, but if folks. Are having difficulty with computer based applications, online applications. We could have a note about, you can find a paper copy of this application at the city clerk's office or whatever. And that there's good and obvious buttons for translation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This can be filled out in currently they can be filled out. A pencil and paper. Right now. Okay. They can't. Yes. You can just download it. I think. Oh yeah. Yeah. But you have to download it and print it off. Yeah. Right. And right, you know, just write your answers. Yeah. I'm just. If we wanted to make those copies available. In city hall, we can put a note about that too. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This was, this was actually great for not being prepared at all. Here we go. All right. See you all in a few weeks. Bye. Bye.